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  • #31
    Stupidest doctrine ever!

    The KJV-only doctrine gets my vote as the stupidest doctrine ever conceived.

    Anyone wanna second that vote?

    Quinn

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    • #32
      Stupidest doctrine ever!

      I can think of one dumber. But it sure comes in second. Or at least ties for first!!

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      • #33
        Which version of the King James? They've changed it over the years to reflect more modern English. I don't mean the 'New' KJV, rather, the original KJ version has some changes from the current 'KJV" text.

        I think they have an 'original' photostat of the 1600's version you can buy.

        There's a point of contention I use the 'original' KJV to prove something about Dan 9, they had a semi-colon ; which has been replaced to blur the seperation between the 7 and the 62 (not relevant here, but the change made a difference to more than just 'modernizing' the book).
        Last edited by ATAT; September 27th, 2002, 12:28 AM.

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        • #34
          Hoo- wee, ain't noone read nufin' round here an' ol Jaltus done gone an got himself eleben votes!

          Ain't nobody hadn't even posted nufin' yet. We ain't even seen da firs roun' an ol J-dog whoopin' some tail. Hoo wee!

          I bet that Mr. J can jus not post nufin fer da entire tein (10) rouns 'en he'da still be a stompin and hollerin' over s 23 -57-93 22- 64 -86 -21 -11 -34 -62 (hoo wee look at all dem negetories
          -57, -93, -86, -21, -11, -34, -62)

          Ain't nobody even looked ober da ebidense.

          We shuld jus change this baddle to how many licks does it take to get to da ceter of that ol' toosie pop.

          - Mark Twain was a genius-
          Last edited by Revelation717; September 27th, 2002, 12:28 AM.
          Oh man, would ya look at this...we got alot of work to do!

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          • #35
            Excuse me!

            Everyone knows you can't lick to the center of a tootsie pop because you always bite it before you get to the center.

            Of course.

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            • #36
              On Never Quite Knowing Enough

              +
              > On 26Sept02 sarah073076 of texas wrote: Why is it that there
              > are so many versions of the bible? I mean the stuff started
              > way before I was born and now it seems that it is going to
              > continue for my child and that scares me. Truely does, it is
              > like we don't even give God a chance to speak in our lives
              > without have a bunch of bs shoved down our throat. Don't get
              > me wrong I do believe in God but for the most part religions
              > only confuse me. I do believe that He will always let me
              > know through a simple thought or a person that he is there.
              > love your self and love your neighbor. -- sarah hansen
              .
              textman replies: Hi sarah. The only practical solution to your
              problem is for you to abandon your fear (it is entirely ground-
              less), and to then learn to love the incredible richness,
              diversity, depth, and (above all) complexity of the Word of
              God. After all, if the Faith is both rational and irrational
              at the same time, both simple and confusing at the same time,
              how can the bible (and the rest of creation too) be otherwise?
              .
              And do not be so hard on the translators and bible-makers;
              for they are trying with all their meager might to get it
              right. This despite being severely handicapped by two major
              impediments: (1) they have a great deal to learn about the
              early texts and their collective history; ie. they are very
              extremely ignorant SOB's! And (2) they are unable to get over
              the absurdly ridiculous notion that the canonical format (which
              almost ALL translations adhere to) is itself somehow divine and
              inspired and not to be trifled with under any circumstances!!!
              .
              Therefore readers of the bible (like you and me) are made into
              the slaves of corrupt and ignorant Christian Scribes&Pharisees,
              and thus willfully deprived of any opportunity to read and
              experience the Word as the earliest Greek-speaking believers
              did (ie. with their hearts as well as with their heads).
              .
              - the almost ancient one - textman ;>
              .
              P.S. "Men who love wisdom must inquire into very many things."
              -- Heraclitus (ancient Greek philosopher from way back when)
              x
              "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people's minds." -- S. Adams

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              • #37
                Final Authority--- Faith in God

                Last edited by Explosived; September 27th, 2002, 06:51 AM.
                Job 26
                2 How hast thou helped him that is without power? how savest thou the arm that hath no strength?
                3 How hast thou counselled him that hath no wisdom? and how hast thou plentifully declared the thing as it is?
                4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose spirit came from thee?
                5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.

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                • #38
                  Geneva Bible?

                  The greatest distinction of the Geneva Bible, is the extensive collection of marginal notes that it
                  contains. Prominent Reformation leaders such as John Calvin, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, William Whittingham, Theodore Beza, and Anthony Gilby wrote the majority of these notes in order to explain and interpret the scriptures. The notes comprise nearly 300,000 words, or nearly one-third the length of the Bible itself.

                  I think we could get along without the explaination of the scriptures by these men.

                  1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by drdeutsch
                    And it depends on what is defined as "standard." Obviously, Standard American English prescriptive grammar would say "no double negatives," "no split infinitives," and "no dangling participles."

                    However, if they are used consistently, then they are no longer grammatical errors; rather, they are rules of the language itself, whether that language is used by 1 person or 1 million.

                    Dr. Deutsch
                    Using the Merriam-Webster dictionary as my standard, I was using the term "standard" to mean "rule, principle, or measure" rather than "custom, or general consent".

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                    • #40
                      Textman, learn to use VbCode man. You sound really wierd typing that way.

                      Jaltus, it called colloquialism.

                      OK, the first round is over. s9 posted very nicely but didn't have anything behind the swing. It was a very nice speech but devoid of and reasonable assertion. To equate other translations with "New Ageism" shows an incredible lack of theological sophistication. Not only that but it increases s9's job 2 fold because now he has to show what new agism is, show why it is bad, and show how other translations jive with a new age philosophy. He is now 3 degrees away from the original argument.

                      Jaltus came out heavy stating his tripartite foundation. Good questions to ask and answer and a strong bibliography that borrows from differing schools of thought.

                      Round one to Jaltus.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Ginger I think we could get along without the explaination of the scriptures by these men.

                        1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
                        Eph 4:11-12 " It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ."

                        Ginger, why did Jesus give apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers?

                        Were they superflous?

                        Have we "all reached unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ" and therefore don't need them anymore?

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                        • #42
                          Well said Redeemed!

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                          • #43
                            he will guide you into all truth:

                            John 16:13
                            Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
                            Job 26
                            2 How hast thou helped him that is without power? how savest thou the arm that hath no strength?
                            3 How hast thou counselled him that hath no wisdom? and how hast thou plentifully declared the thing as it is?
                            4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose spirit came from thee?
                            5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.

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                            • #44
                              I do believe we still need the 5 fold ministry. I never said otherwise.

                              The problem I have is when the words of men are added to the scripture and their words made into doctrine. Their words are not the inspired words of God. This is why there is division, and will only distance us from the unity of the faith. The only way we will ever attain to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ is if we renew our selves in His Words.

                              Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
                              27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

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                              • #45
                                NIV, KJV, etc. etc.

                                I guess I am just behind the times. I thought that people who go door to door although maybe confused, arent we supposed to help them, not confuse them. Be glad that there are those who will go door to door. We should try to win them not totally lose them.

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