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    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Does it bother you if even one person loses his faith because of your forum?
    Originally posted by Knight View Post
    No.

    Complete conversation contained in this post.


    This attitude is astounding to me. Does it reflect your views as a Christian as well? If I could post a poll, I would. I'm interested in what other Christians have to say, and why.

    It's an important topic to me, and your answers are important to me.


    Also, for those who fixate on my "Other" designation: this thread isn't about what I believe, it's about what you believe.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

  • #2
    Doesn't surprise me at all. Shouldn't really surprise anyone.




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    • #3
      Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post

      This attitude is astounding to me.
      yet knight explained it in a way that even a simpleton could understand



      perhaps you should find a simpleton to explain it to you

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      • #4
        I don't think Knight as the owner of the forum can be held responsible for everything that goes on within it. The very purpose of the forum is to give people an opportunity to speak their own minds openly and freely. It is not a church and he is not the pastor of the church.

        I would only say that he and the moderators collectively are indeed responsible to ensure that content on the forum is not defamatory, abusive, racist, sexist, or inciteful of violence, etc. But beyond that each person who contributes is responsible for his own words.

        I can appreciate that you are concerned when someone loses his or her faith, as I am sure most of us are, including Knight, but that can't be related specifically to the existence of the forum or his ownership of it. On the contrary, the existence of the forum is a good thing. Or at least, it has been up to now. And it has its ebbs and flows but if anyone no longer thinks it is a good thing then they are free to speak their mind. What will not work is if the purpose of the forum gets linked to pastoral care of its members. If there is to be any pastoral care, it must come from the members themselves, independent of the management.
        Total Misanthropy.
        Uncertain salvation.
        Luck of the draw.
        Irresistible damnation.
        Persecution of the saints.

        Time is an illusion; lunchtime doubly so.
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        • #5
          knight is not responsible for anyone
          it is your fault
          if
          you lose your faith
          you can't blame anyone
          knight has given us a chance to discuss our beliefs
          and
          for that we owe him our thanks

          who will you blame
          if
          you lose your faith
          a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Desert Reign View Post

            I can appreciate that you are concerned when someone loses his or her faith, as I am sure most of us are, including Knight
            That's the point of this thread, Desert Reign. He clearly doesn't care.

            but that can't be related specifically to the existence of the forum or his ownership of it.
            I'm not relating it specifically to the existence of the forum or his ownership of it.

            Leadership, yes.

            Example, yes.

            Christian witness on both an individual and a community level, yes.

            On the contrary, the existence of the forum is a good thing. Or at least,it has been up to now. And it has its ebbs and flows but if anyone no longer thinks it is a good thing then they are free to speak their mind. What will not work is if the purpose of the forum gets linked to pastoral care of its members. If there is to be any pastoral care, it must come from the members themselves, independent of the management.
            I'm asking the members.

            Would it bother you if your actions or words were a factor in someone losing his faith?

            If the actions or words of members of your faith community were a factor in someone losing his faith?

            Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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            • #7
              Anna, I see where you're coming from, but keep in mind: If someone's driven from the faith in part because of the behavior of other believers, that's often taken as a sign that the heretic was never "really" in the faith, and good riddance. A way of separating chaff from wheat, as it were. Never, ever expect hard-core believers to feel remorse or the least little bit of guilt for "outing" someone who was "faking" their faith; if anything, they take pride in it.




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              • #8
                Originally posted by Desert Reign View Post
                ... the existence of the forum is a good thing. Or at least, it has been up to now...


                Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                Would it bother you if your actions or words were a factor in someone losing his faith?
                if someone's faith is threatened by an anonymous stranger on the internet, it's not much of a faith at all, is it?


                you're talking about faith in God, right?

                faith in the salvation that comes from accepting Christ as your Savior?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  yet knight explained it in a way that even a simpleton could understand



                  perhaps you should find a simpleton to explain it to you
                  I'm going to stifle myself here....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Granite View Post
                    Anna, I see where you're coming from, but keep in mind: If someone's driven from the faith in part because of the behavior of other believers, that's often taken as a sign that the heretic was never "really" in the faith, and good riddance. A way of separating chaff from wheat, as it were. Never, ever expect hard-core believers to feel remorse or the least little bit of guilt for "outing" someone who was "faking" their faith; if anything, they take pride in it.
                    I can also see where anna is coming from
                    she has already left the republican party
                    because
                    she didn't like some of the members
                    it was just an excuse

                    anna is a liberal
                    and
                    this thread proves it
                    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                      That's the point of this thread, Desert Reign. He clearly doesn't care.



                      I'm not relating it specifically to the existence of the forum or his ownership of it.

                      Leadership, yes.

                      Example, yes.

                      Christian witness on both an individual and a community level, yes.



                      I'm asking the members.

                      Would it bother you if your actions or words were a factor in someone losing his faith?
                      *
                      What Knight means is that if somebody's faith is firmly in Jesus nobody can shake it...and I think if it can be shaken it needs to be shaken to encourage them onto firmer ground.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Granite View Post
                        Anna, I see where you're coming from, but keep in mind: If someone's driven from the faith in part because of the behavior of other believers, that's often taken as a sign that the heretic was never "really" in the faith, and good riddance. A way of separating chaff from wheat, as it were. Never, ever expect hard-core believers to feel remorse or the least little bit of guilt for "outing" someone who was "faking" their faith; if anything, they take pride in it.
                        Thank you, you've got most of it in a nutshell, I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from. It's discouraging.

                        And yes, and that's exactly what Knight said to someone else in the thread yesterday, that he believes in OSAS, so someone was either still a Christian or he never was.

                        Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bybee View Post
                          I'm going to stifle myself here....
                          maybe you can explain Knight's response to anna in the Ask Knight thread

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Granite View Post
                            Anna, I see where you're coming from, but keep in mind: If someone's driven from the faith in part because of the behavior of other believers, that's often taken as a sign that the heretic was never "really" in the faith, and good riddance. A way of separating chaff from wheat, as it were. Never, ever expect hard-core believers to feel remorse or the least little bit of guilt for "outing" someone who was "faking" their faith; if anything, they take pride in it.
                            I wonder how somebody fakes their faith. And why would somebody do that.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                              Thank you, you've got most of it in a nutshell, I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from. It's discouraging.

                              And yes, and that's exactly what Knight said to someone else in the thread yesterday, that he believes in OSAS, so someone was either still a Christian or he never was.
                              anna - do you have faith that Christ will gather in all of His lost sheep, regardless of how butthurt they may have become on the internet?

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