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  • #46
    Originally posted by Nick M View Post
    You plan on waiting like George Carlin did? He expects you to confess him before men first. A little humility. You won't even get a drip for your tongue to quench the burn.
    Ahhh it does the heart good to see the smile on little Nikki's face when he thinks about all the pain us heathens will be in. So much christian love.
    "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
    ...Stephen F Roberts

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    • #47
      Originally posted by TomO View Post
      Within the bounds of Creation time is a measurement of change and movement. If change and movement exist then time exists.
      And change and movement existed with God.

      It is an attribute of existence within the Creation. In other words existence as you know it. This is a faulty premise to base a judgment on in regards to the existence of the ALMIGHTY.
      No it isn't. If a sentience exists then it must experience.

      In the Beginning....
      The beginning of what?
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
        And change and movement existed with God.


        No it isn't. If a sentience exists then it must experience.


        The beginning of what?
        Okay, I can already see how this is going to go.....I concede.


        .....but Lighthouse, deliberate obtuseness is no way to defend a point.
        Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
        ~Leonard Cohen

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        • #49
          Originally posted by TomO View Post
          Okay, I can already see how this is going to go.....I concede.


          .....but Lighthouse, deliberate obtuseness is no way to defend a point.
          No, you don't.

          I asked when God decided to create time. Your answer was, "In the beginning." I asked, "The beginning of what?" I expected your reply to be, "The beginning of time."

          So, before I elaborate on this, is that your answer?

          P.S.
          God changed and God moved.

          Unless you want to tell me that God never decided to create.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Mac_guy View Post
            So we get that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


            How did God come to be "In the beginning"?


            A stork brought Him and laid Him in a cabbage patch.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
              No, you don't.

              I asked when God decided to create time. Your answer was, "In the beginning." I asked, "The beginning of what?" I expected your reply to be, "The beginning of time."

              So, before I elaborate on this, is that your answer?
              P.S.
              God changed and God moved.

              Unless you want to tell me that God never decided to create.
              Sure
              Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by TomO View Post
                Sure
                So you believe that God decided to create time at the beginning of time.

                Do you really not see the logical contradiction there?
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                  So you believe that God decided to create time at the beginning of time.

                  Do you really not see the logical contradiction there?
                  ....before I answer (and I will) I have a few questions for you:

                  First how would you define "time"?
                  Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by TomO View Post
                    ....before I answer (and I will) I have a few questions for you:

                    First how would you define "time"?
                    Duration.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                      Duration.
                      Duration which is experience linearly through a sucession of moments?

                      ....do you hold to Kants view of "time"?
                      Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
                      ~Leonard Cohen

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                      • #56
                        So Tom, your saying before anything ever existed, anything at all, even before Genesis 1:1 where the earth was void and nothing was created at all, there was no time?
                        The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                          So Tom, your saying before anything ever existed, anything at all, even before Genesis 1:1 where the earth was void and nothing was created at all, there was no time?
                          Basic Physics recognizes that without space and matter there is no time.

                          If Gen. 1:1, John 1:3, Col. 1:16, & Heb. 1:2 are to be believed then before HIS action there was no time....at least not in the way that we understand/comprehend it.

                          .....unless there was a pre-creation of some sort, in which case all bets are off.
                          Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
                          ~Leonard Cohen

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Mac_guy View Post
                            So we get that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


                            How did God come to be "In the beginning"?
                            The idea that God, or any entity considered "supernatural," requires an origin is flawed, because that assumption arises from experience in the natural world. The reason we tend to look for causes is because things in our everyday world are constantly changing. If something it is not existing among or subject to physical laws, then there is no scientific problem with it being eternal and unchanging, needing no further explanation.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by TomO View Post
                              Duration which is experience linearly through a sucession of moments?
                              Pretty much.

                              ....do you hold to Kants view of "time"?
                              I don't know. What's his view?
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by TomO View Post
                                Duration which is experience linearly through a sucession of moments?

                                ....do you hold to Kants view of "time"?
                                The common sense view of time makes sense.
                                Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                                They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                                I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                                Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

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