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  • #16
    Originally posted by This Charming Manc View Post
    God was then he made the beginning.

    God is outside and beyond time, he is eterenal. The way you phrase the suggestion suggest God is inside and subject to time. Thats not the way i understand it.

    God was and then time and space happened.
    Scripture please...
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Persephone66 View Post
      I haven't been proven wrong yet.
      You will be, one way or the other.
      Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by dan1el View Post
        If you don't want your beliefs to be made fun of, don't choose such silly ones.
        Then why do you choose such a silly one. I am not the one who can look around you and witness the shear magnitude of creation with such disdain to make the claim we came from nothing.

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        The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
          I am not the one who can look around you and witness the shear magnitude of creation with such disdain to make the claim we came from nothing.
          How is that any different than claiming God came from nothing?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Persephone66 View Post
            The same place fairies, elves, hobbits, vulcans, wookies and other made up beings came from.
            Fairies, elves, hobbits, vulcans, wookies and other made up beings come from God, through the imagination of His creation.

            You can thank the LORD for Chewbacca.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by godrulz View Post
              Time is not a created thing. God experiences endless duration/sequence/succession (time) as He is from everlasting to everlasting, eternal, no beginning, no end. He is not timeless. "Eternal now" is a Platonic/Augustinian concept, not a biblical one.
              Ok I think I get what you saying, but its close to a how mnay needles can sit on the head of a needle distinction. Y

              You wouldnt have na issue with God is not bound by time ?

              here is the question though does God encounter time or does time encounter God?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                Scripture please...
                Try both the 'in the beginnings', they place God before time.
                Try every scripture that says God created all things, whihc must include time.
                look at the scriptures that reffre to god and the passing of time, which are not linear.

                Im really too lazy to pander to your ignorance, go find your own scriptures.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by elohiym View Post
                  Fairies, elves, hobbits, vulcans, wookies and other made up beings come from God, through the imagination of His creation.

                  You can thank the LORD for Chewbacca.
                  Rule #1: NEVER mess with a wookie. They've been known to rip men's arms off.
                  Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

                  What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by This Charming Manc View Post
                    Try both the 'in the beginnings', they place God before time.
                    Try every scripture that says God created all things, whihc must include time.
                    look at the scriptures that reffre to god and the passing of time, which are not linear.

                    Im really too lazy to pander to your ignorance, go find your own scriptures.
                    Look Manc, whether anything was around or not, whether God was around or not, there is still time. Say there was nothing ever created, time as you call it would still exist. Time is only a measurement we use, since God created created for us ways to tell time.
                    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Rusha View Post
                      How is that any different than claiming God came from nothing?
                      The difference is we literally have no way of knowing short of HIM telling us. And I could care less where HE came from, but only HE is here now.
                      The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by This Charming Manc View Post
                        Try both the 'in the beginnings', they place God before time.
                        Try every scripture that says God created all things, whihc must include time.
                        look at the scriptures that reffre to god and the passing of time, which are not linear.

                        Im really too lazy to pander to your ignorance, go find your own scriptures.
                        First off, the beginning of what? It does not say the beginning of time, anywhere. One must assume that it is referring to time, without any support, in order to conclude that it means time. It is circular reasoning at its worst.

                        And there is also nothing to indicate that time is a created thing. Or that it is even a thing. So, no, there is no "must" about including time.

                        And what verses refer to God and the passing of time are not linear?

                        FYI, I already know the verses. And I am not too lazy to allow you to remain ignorant. If anyone walks away from this it will be you.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by elohiym View Post
                          Fairies, elves, hobbits, vulcans, wookies and other made up beings come from God, through the imagination of His creation.

                          You can thank the LORD for Chewbacca.

                          Man has creative ability. George Lucas, not God, is the one to thank. We thank God for life and ability. We do not thank him for evil that man creates nor is He directly responsible for secular man's creative acts. Adam gave names to the animals, not God.
                          Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                          They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                          I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                          Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by This Charming Manc View Post
                            Ok I think I get what you saying, but its close to a how mnay needles can sit on the head of a needle distinction. Y

                            You wouldnt have na issue with God is not bound by time ?

                            here is the question though does God encounter time or does time encounter God?

                            There are two major theories about time: A and B theory. A theory relates to endless time (presentism), while B theory relates more to timelessness (eternalism). They are mutually exclusive views with only one being right. I think it is more than theoretical or academic, but has practical implications to God and creation.

                            Just because God experiences duration rather than simultaneity does not mean He is limited by time like we are. He is not bound by time, but it is an aspect of His personal experience.

                            I am not sure how to answer your last question.
                            Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                            They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                            I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                            Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                            "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                            The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by This Charming Manc View Post
                              Try both the 'in the beginnings', they place God before time.
                              Try every scripture that says God created all things, whihc must include time.
                              look at the scriptures that reffre to god and the passing of time, which are not linear.

                              Im really too lazy to pander to your ignorance, go find your own scriptures.
                              There are a few proof texts, but godly philosophy is also required to sort this issue out.

                              The beginning refers to material creation and the start of our unique MEASURE of time (sun, moon, stars), not time itself (duration was experienced by the triune God before creation or creation is co-eternal with God). Did God create Alice in Wonderland? Your computer? Square circles or married bachelors? Time is not a created thing, but a concept. You cannot touch, see, feel, hear, smell time. It is a wrong assumption to think time is created or that it will cease to exist.

                              Scripture shows God experiencing endless time, having a history, creating, incarnating, returning in sequence, not in an 'eternal now' (whatever that could be). Time is unidirectional. The future is not yet. The potential future becomes the fixed past through the present, even for God (experiences divine temporality...from everlasting to everlasting Ps. 90:2; Rev. 1:4...tensed expressions about God).
                              Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                              They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                              I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                              Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                              "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                              The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                              • #30
                                God created time. Where there is no time, there is no beginning. Simple quantum physics. :P

                                By definition, God didn't come from anywhere. He is Logos.
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