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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    No, the evidence from the Scriptures demonstrates that the phrase "end of the age" refers to the end of the age which will precede the kingdom age.

    The Lord Jesus spoke of two different ages, the "age" in which He was then living and an "age to come":

    "'Truly I tell you,' Jesus said to them, 'no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life'" (Lk.18:29-30).
    "'Truly I tell you,' Jesus replied, 'no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields--along with persecutions--and in the age to come eternal life" (Mk.10:29-30).

    The Jews understood that the "age to come" was the kingdom age because they undersood that the kingdom of their promised Messiah would never end--"in the age to come eternal life":

    "Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this."
    (Isa.9:7).

    George Eldon Ladd distinguished between the two ages and recoginized that the age to come is indeed the kingdom age:

    "The New Testament sets the Age to Come in direct oppostion to this Age. The present age is evil, but the Kingdom of God belongs to The Age to Come. The Kingdom of God, both as the perfect manifestation of God's reign and the realm of completed blessing, belongs to the The Age to Come.

    Your ideas match the ideas of the Preterists, and those people are completely confused about the things which will happen in the future. You need to flee from them and their teaching as fast as you can.
    I started the study of God's word by trying to answer a question of my sons, about preterism. After 2 months of study and prayer I was able to tell him that a lot of preterism was true and that he could embrace it if he wanted to. Our church said it went against their belief, but I was very sure and felt that it was not a salvation issue.

    Since that time, when I was interested in any other subject, I went through the bible in the same way. That is, talk with God, and find 2 or more scriptures that agreed and none that contradicted it and take it for what it is, The Truth!

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    • #17
      I am going ahead and give you an example;
      People have always said that the angels were the son's of God.

      First of all angels have no gender.

      The scriptures that prove that they are not -


      Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

      Hos_1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

      Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
      There are many more, but the one that clears up the most is this one.
      Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
      Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
      This proves a couple of things.
      The son's of God are of Adam and the daughters are of the men that were created in Gen 1. Therefore no doubt that there were two creations


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      • #18
        Originally posted by iamaberean View Post
        I started the study of God's word by trying to answer a question of my sons, about preterism. After 2 months of study and prayer I was able to tell him that a lot of preterism was true and that he could embrace it if he wanted to.
        In order to believe Preterism you must somehow trick your mind into believing that "the end of the age" that the Lord Jesus spoke about at Matthew 13 is a different "end of the age" spoken of at Matthew 24:3.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
          In order to believe Preterism you must somehow trick your mind into believing that "the end of the age" that the Lord Jesus spoke about at Matthew 13 is a different "end of the age" spoken of at Matthew 24:3.

          Sorry about being so slow to respond.

          Mat 24 is undoubtedly speaking about the end of the age of law. Without the temple there is nothing left for the believers of law to maintain their belief of forgiveness.

          In Mat 13 it speaks of the devil's children (tares) and the children of God (wheat). At the time of harvest the devil and his children will be done away with.
          There will be a rapture of the dead that had never had a chance of knowing God. Jesus will judge those according to their life style.
          At the end of this age, the earth and believers will remain and God will set up his kingdom.
          Mat_25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
          2Ti_4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
          2Ti_4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
          Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by iamaberean View Post
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR="#0000CD"]Mat 24 is undoubtedly speaking about the end of the age of law.
            The end of the age of the law happened much earlier than 70 AD:
            "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" (Eph.2:13-16).

            The law of commandments contained in the ordinances was abolished in order that God could reconcile both the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers into one Body, the Body of Christ. And the Body of Christ began many years before 70 AD.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
              The end of the age of the law happened much earlier than 70 AD:
              "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" (Eph.2:13-16).

              The law of commandments contained in the ordinances was abolished in order that God could reconcile both the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers into one Body, the Body of Christ. And the Body of Christ began many years before 70 AD.
              You are right, but many of those people had not, and would not accept Jesus. I related this to be like the time that the children of Israel had to wander in the wilderness because of their unbelief. This is the same, they continued as if they were still living under the law. When the temple was destroyed it ended any activity related to the law. No more ability to sacrifice, no more ability to ask for forgiveness, no more of anything related to the age of the law.

              I know the age of Law had passed, but even Paul, Peter and John went back to the temple at different times in the book of Acts.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by iamaberean View Post
                I know the age of Law had passed, but even Paul, Peter and John went back to the temple at different times in the book of Acts.
                The Preterists say that the end of the age did not happen until 70 AD but they have to invent another "end of the age" than the one the Lord Jesus spoke of at Matthew 13.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                  The Preterists say that the end of the age did not happen until 70 AD but they have to invent another "end of the age" than the one the Lord Jesus spoke of at Matthew 13.
                  I am a Preterist only because I believe much of prophecy has been fulfilled. It doesn't really matter to me how they put their timeline.

                  All prophecy has been fulfilled except for the time when God will come and set up His kingdom here on earth.

                  1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
                  1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
                  1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
                  1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
                  1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

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                  • #24
                    What days are we living in today?

                    Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
                    Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
                    Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
                    Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

                    When is the time of the end?

                    Few realize that the prophecies of the Old Testament pertain, primarily, to this 20th century—and not, in many cases, to Old Testament times at all.

                    We know this because God had made a covenent with the children of Isreal and if they sinned against Him he would with hold his blessings for a time, times, and a half (2520 years).

                    Because the children of Israel did sin, Israel was invaded by the Serians and taken captive in 740 BC.
                    Let us subtract 740 BC from 2520 years and we get 1780. What happened in 1780, America went to war to win it’s independents .

                    What difference does that make? Well the first settlers in America were from England, for sure they were Christians and were also of the children of Israel.

                    Prophecy fulfilled when God said.

                    Gen 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
                    Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation (America*) and a company of nations (Great Britain*) shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

                    This has been fulfillment of prophecy that will bring about the setting up of The Kingdom of God here on earth.

                    I pray it will be soon!

                    * is my inserts

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by iamaberean View Post
                      All prophecy has been fulfilled except for the time when God will come and set up His kingdom here on earth.
                      When was this prophecy fulfilled?:

                      "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east" (Zech.14:1-4).

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                        When was this prophecy fulfilled?:

                        "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east" (Zech.14:1-4).
                        It happened in 70 AD. One can read more about it from Josephus: The Wars Of The Jews.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by iamaberean View Post
                          It happened in 70 AD. One can read more about it from Josephus: The Wars Of The Jews.
                          Jerusalem was totally defeated in 70 AD so you must think that the Lord Jesus fought against all the nations that came against Jerusalem but lost that battle:
                          "Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle" (Zech.14:3).

                          You don't have much confidence in the Lord Jesus' ability to wage war, do you?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                            Jerusalem was totally defeated in 70 AD so you must think that the Lord Jesus fought against all the nations that came against Jerusalem but lost that battle:
                            "Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle" (Zech.14:3).

                            You don't have much confidence in the Lord Jesus' ability to wage war, do you?

                            From the jewishvirtuallibrary

                            Chapters 9–14 are unclear, and the historical allusions they contain remain contested. There is no apparent temporal connection between them and the contents of the earlier chapters of the book. The two sections differ both in form and style. Much of earlier scholarship concentrated on analyzing the text into sources without attempting to account for why the sources were combined.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by iamaberean View Post
                              From the jewishvirtuallibrary

                              Chapters 9–14 are unclear, and the historical allusions they contain remain contested. There is no apparent temporal connection between them and the contents of the earlier chapters of the book. The two sections differ both in form and style. Much of earlier scholarship concentrated on analyzing the text into sources without attempting to account for why the sources were combined.
                              Are you still arguing that Zechariah 14 has already been fulfilled and the Lord Jesus fought a losing battle?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                                Are you still arguing that Zechariah 14 has already been fulfilled and the Lord Jesus fought a losing battle?
                                No more arguing on my part. If the people who translated God's word can not determine if it really belongs, how is it you, or anyone else, know. The rest of prophecy agrees that there is only one more time that Jesus comes. That will be the time He sets up His kingdom here on earth.

                                "Chapters 9–14 are unclear, and the historical allusions they contain remain contested" say the experts!
                                Last edited by iamaberean; August 30th, 2019, 03:20 AM.

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