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    Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

    Paul is saying that the man who judges others for unrighteousness and thinks himself not as bad as others will not be excused and escape judgment because nonetheless, he is a sinner.

    2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

    This man is storing up wrath for himself.

    2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

    God will judge each person according to their own deeds.

    2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

    God will demand continual good, continuance reflects perfection. Well doing is according to God's standard of righteousness.

    2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

    2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

    2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

    The verses above are describing the righteous judgment of God, how God will judge according to our deeds. I see nothing in these verses to think we can be saved by doing good, nor that upon salvation these verses imply we have to secure and keep our salvation by doing good. Romans 2:5 gives the context for these verses by saying that wrath is being stored up for the day of the revelation of the righteous judgment of God. We do not have to work for our salvation ; God justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5).

  • #2
    I do not believe one can work their way into heaven. Although God expects us to live godly lives.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DougE View Post
      Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

      Paul is saying that the man who judges others for unrighteousness and thinks himself not as bad as others will not be excused and escape judgment because nonetheless, he is a sinner.

      2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

      This man is storing up wrath for himself.

      2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

      God will judge each person according to their own deeds.

      2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

      God will demand continual good, continuance reflects perfection. Well doing is according to God's standard of righteousness.

      2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

      2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

      2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

      The verses above are describing the righteous judgment of God, how God will judge according to our deeds. I see nothing in these verses to think we can be saved by doing good, nor that upon salvation these verses imply we have to secure and keep our salvation by doing good. Romans 2:5 gives the context for these verses by saying that wrath is being stored up for the day of the revelation of the righteous judgment of God. We do not have to work for our salvation ; God justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5).
      Obeying Jesus is how we eat.

      We have to eat every day.

      We have to obey every day.
      Oh how I love the Word of God!

      Do not just read the word do it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bradley D View Post
        I do not believe one can work their way into heaven. Although God expects us to live godly lives.
        So are you saying we don't have to obey to stay saved?
        Oh how I love the Word of God!

        Do not just read the word do it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
          So are you saying we don't have to obey to stay saved?
          No. There are those that believe they get points for what they believe are good works. One does not add up points to get into heaven Good works are expected if one is Christian.

          "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:8-10).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bradley D View Post
            No. There are those that believe they get points for what they believe are good works. One does not add up points to get into heaven Good works are expected if one is Christian.

            "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:8-10).
            No such thing as getting saved and staying saved without obeying.
            Oh how I love the Word of God!

            Do not just read the word do it.

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            • #7
              There are people here who are afraid to say we have to obey to get saved and to stay saved.

              They give mixed messages and they contradict themselves.

              It is not wrong to obey Jesus.

              We have to obey.

              What one does not obey, it is sin.

              Grace is not that we no longer have to obey God.

              The gift is not that we didn't have to qualify for it.
              Oh how I love the Word of God!

              Do not just read the word do it.

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              • #8
                Grace is that we don't have to clean ourselves just to go to the temple to be near God's Spirit.

                Grace is that by our faith in Jesus' blood we are cleaned and become the temple.
                Oh how I love the Word of God!

                Do not just read the word do it.

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                • #9
                  From the scriptures, I see that the gift, the reward, the inheritance, the treasure, the crown, the promise…it is all eternal life in the kingdom of God.

                  We only get the gift, the promised Holy Spirit, who cleans us and who reconciles us to God, and who qualifies us to be a child of GOD and who seated us with the Father in heaven, and gives us the crown, the treasure, the inheritance, we only get that IF WE OBEY JESUS.
                  Oh how I love the Word of God!

                  Do not just read the word do it.

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                  • #10
                    You're trying to say that you have to DO works to keep or to get your salvation. Untrue. We're saved by grace, through faith. Those who are saved are saved. They don't have to do anything beyond believing in Christ to be saved. Now I have to add: there are degrees of reward just as there are degrees of punishment. We'll be judged by our works, every one of us; otherwise Paul would never have lamented doing so little with what He had been given (grace). We'll determine how close with God our relationship with Him is by how close we draw to Him in this life. If we are merely saved and do nothing to please God or make any attempt to approach closer to Him: we'll live forever on the outskirts of Heaven. If we draw close to Him: He'll draw close to us. Working to 'keep' salvation makes Christ's Blood of none effect.
                    "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

                    If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
                      You're trying to say that you have to DO works to keep or to get your salvation. Untrue.
                      Of course we have to do what Jesus says to do to get saved and to stay saved.

                      We have to keep being humble.

                      James 4:6 But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."


                      We have to keep forgiving others.


                      ...if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins; Matthew 6:15


                      We have to not sin against others.

                      Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.


                      We have to work out our salvation(Philippians 2:12), and train ourselves to know good and bad (Hebrews 5:14).

                      Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
                      We're saved by grace, through faith.
                      That just means we don't have to get circumcised and sacrifice animals, and the other purification works.

                      His blood purifies us. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
                      Originally posted by Aimiel View Post

                      Those who are saved are saved.
                      Those who are saved have to live to please Jesus.

                      2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."


                      Did you read that? It completely destroys your theory.


                      Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
                      They don't have to do anything beyond believing in Christ to be saved.
                      Faith alone is dead and can't save anyone.


                      James 2:14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

                      Originally posted by Aimiel View Post

                      Now I have to add: there are degrees of reward just as there are degrees of punishment.
                      The only reward is eternal life.

                      Colossians 3:24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.

                      Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
                      We'll be judged by our works, every one of us; otherwise Paul would never have lamented doing so little with what He had been given (grace). We'll determine how close with God our relationship with Him is by how close we draw to Him in this life.
                      God lives in those who get His teachings and obeys them.


                      John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
                      Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
                      If we are merely saved and do nothing to please God or make any attempt to approach closer to Him: we'll live forever on the outskirts of Heaven. If we draw close to Him: He'll draw close to us. Working to 'keep' salvation makes Christ's Blood of none effect.
                      God's work is light, easy, and not burdensome.

                      Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
                      Last edited by God's Truth; November 1st, 2019, 11:00 PM.
                      Oh how I love the Word of God!

                      Do not just read the word do it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                        Of course we have to do what Jesus says to do to get saved and to stay saved.

                        We have to keep being humble.

                        James 4:6 But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."


                        We have to keep forgiving others.


                        ...if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins; Matthew 6:15


                        We have to not sin against others.

                        Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.


                        We have to work out our salvation(Philippians 2:12), and train ourselves to know good and bad (Hebrews 5:14).


                        That just means we don't have to get circumcised and sacrifice animals, and the other purification works.

                        His blood purifies us. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

                        Those who are saved have to live to please Jesus.

                        2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."


                        Did you read that? It completely destroys your theory.



                        Faith alone is dead and can't save anyone.


                        James 2:14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?


                        The only reward is eternal life.

                        Colossians 3:24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.


                        God lives in those who get His teachings and obeys them.


                        John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.


                        God's work is light, easy, and not burdensome.

                        Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
                        "That just means we don't have to get circumcised and sacrifice animals, and the other purification works."

                        I do not know of any scripture to substantiate this statement

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DougE View Post
                          "That just means we don't have to get circumcised and sacrifice animals, and the other purification works."

                          I do not know of any scripture to substantiate this statement
                          You don't know because you aren't reading and considering carefully enough what I am posting.

                          Circumcision USED to be the SIGN that one did all the PURIFICATION WORKS OF THE LAW.

                          Don't you understand that the people had to PURIFY/WASH themselves?

                          Jesus cleans us now by our faith in his blood washing us of the sins we repent of doing.

                          No more of THOSE WORKS.

                          That means we no longer have to get circumcised in the flesh and give animal sacrifices

                          It does not mean we no longer have to obey anything that Jesus says to do.

                          You say you don't know of any scripture to substantiate it.

                          You need to study this more:

                          His blood purifies us. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
                          Oh how I love the Word of God!

                          Do not just read the word do it.

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                          • #14
                            True. Geting saved requires repentance, amending ones life (change), and continuing to live a godly life through Christ/Holy Spirit.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bradley D View Post
                              I do not believe one can work their way into heaven. Although God expects us to live godly lives.
                              Jesus does not define justification by works as "working your way into heaven." It's just the way He will decide who goes with Him and who goes with the devil.

                              And yes, God says you are justified by faith and works.
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