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  • #46
    Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
    You are missing the point, why baptise in water at all if the flesh or any work you can do profits nothing?

    If it profits nothing and then those unaware could include the ritual as part of salvation could they not?
    Nah, Im not missing your point....

    I dont consider what I did a work to be saved...

    I did because Jesus did, and everyone knows without a doubt Jesus certainly didn't need to be either.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
      I believe John the Baptist's baptism and what happened in acts 2:38 are different in certain respects.

      Paul baptized those in Ephesus after they told him they were baptized by John's baptism....
      Paul did not "rebaptize" those 12. That is another misreading of that passage.
      All of my ancestors are human.
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      That explains why your an idiot.
      Originally posted by God's Truth
      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
        Just a quick question to anyone....

        Does my wedding ring make me married, or is it a symbol of something?

        I did get baptized when I was 25. Did it save me? No. But it did symbolize to other like minded brothers and sisters that I gave myself over to Jesus' lordship over me.
        Think of circumcision, was it required and by whose hand? How can you use circumcision to be symbolic to your brothers and sisters? You have to be baptised and circumcised, don't you know that.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
          Paul did not "rebaptize" those 12. That is another misreading of that passage.
          #1...You dont know that, and I dont know that.

          #2...How can it be classified "rebaptized" if that baptism doesn't have the same purpose as like what John did? To my mind, saying he "rebaptized" means he did exactly like John, and for the same purpose...John's baptism was for the remission of sins...Paul, as far as I can tell, never uttered a word about baptism for the remission of sins. But that it symbolized the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

          I could be wrong...but my take as I said above in my previous post is to me, it is a symbol or I identify myself with Jesus. I'm not ashamed of it. Like my wedding ring, I identify with my wife....it doesn't mean my wedding ring means Im married...it symbolizes I am....
          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
            Think of circumcision, was it required and by whose hand? How can you use circumcision to be symbolic to your brothers and sisters? You have to be baptised and circumcised, don't you know that.
            circumsion was required for the jews…..I am not a Jew though so it has no bearing on me.
            The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
              The secular world doesn't care if I am baptized or not....they think it is a glorified bath.
              Paul water baptized but was Acts 2:38 wrong when it states water baptism was for remission of sins?

              1Co 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
              1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

              Paul had many revelations during his ministry.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                Paul water baptized but was Acts 2:38 wrong when it states water baptism was for remission of sins?

                1Co 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
                1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

                Paul had many revelations during his ministry.
                Amen...what Paul said is correct....and I believe is all of our mission, "to preach the gospel" If I was a pastor, minister what have you, I wouldn't be sent to baptize either but to preach the gospel...

                If one wants to be baptized, I have no issue with it...
                The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                  #1...You dont know that, and I dont know that.

                  #2...How can it be classified "rebaptized" if that baptism doesn't have the same purpose as like what John did? To my mind, saying he "rebaptized" means he did exactly like John, and for the same purpose...John's baptism was for the remission of sins...Paul, as far as I can tell, never uttered a word about baptism for the remission of sins. But that it symbolized the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

                  I could be wrong...but my take as I said above in my previous post is to me, it is a symbol or I identify myself with Jesus. I'm not ashamed of it. Like my wedding ring, I identify with my wife....it doesn't mean my wedding ring means Im married...it symbolizes I am....
                  We are speaking about salvation and signs of it.

                  Paul said..
                  1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
                  1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                    We are speaking about salvation and signs of it.

                    Paul said..
                    1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
                    1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
                    Then why argue with me....I never said baptism is a requirement for salvation...as a matter of fact, I said baptism doesn't save anyone...
                    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                      Amen...what Paul said is correct....and I believe is all of our mission, "to preach the gospel" If I was a pastor, minister what have you, I wouldn't be sent to baptize either but to preach the gospel...

                      If one wants to be baptized, I have no issue with it...
                      I think you should have an issue with it, it was a sign to Israel (Jews). We don't want or need to revert back.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                        I think you should have an issue with it, it was a sign to Israel (Jews). We don't want or need to revert back.
                        If one says you need to be baptized to be saved, then I agree.....but if not...what concern is it to you?

                        You're arguing just to argue..
                        The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                          Then why argue with me....I never said baptism is a requirement for salvation...as a matter of fact, I said baptism doesn't save anyone...
                          Paul said..
                          1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
                          1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

                          You hold water baptism as a sign don't you?

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                            But I'm not wrong. So there's that.
                            It sounds like you are missing a lot of the Bible and have an incomplete doctrine that will lead you into error.
                            Learn to read what is written.

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                            The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                            ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                              If one says you need to be baptized to be saved, then I agree.....but if not...what concern is it to you?

                              You're arguing just to argue..
                              It's a concern to me if it can be a stumbling block and it can be.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                                Paul said..
                                1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
                                1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

                                You hold water baptism as a sign don't you?
                                A sign of what?

                                Are you married? if so, why wear your wedding ring?
                                The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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