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  • Jacob's Ladder: A Hidden Prophecy of Jesus and His Followers

    Jacob's dream about a ladder had two parts - the ladder itself, and God's promise about a seed. Both parts describe one another, and both parts are a prophecy about Jesus. Jesus was the ladder (John 1:50-51). Jesus was also the seed. Paul points out in Galatians 3:16 that this seed of Abraham (and Isaac and Jacob) was only one individual, namely, Christ.

    But the plot thickens. In Galatians 3:26-29 Paul reveals a startling insight: if we are united with Christ, then we are part of that one-and-only seed. Although the seed is singular, it is composed of many parts. Since the promised seed and Jacob's ladder both describe one another, this means that Jacob's ladder is also composed of many parts. The ladder represents Jesus, both head and body. This union of Christ and believers is the means by which God pours out His heavenly blessings on the world.

    How does union with Christ affect your efforts to bless the world?


  • #2
    Originally posted by Jeff Wickham View Post
    Jesus was the ladder (John 1:50-51).
    Joh 1:50-51 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. (51) And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

    Please explain how you come to that conclusion from that scripture. It does NOT say what you say that it says.
    All of my ancestors are human.
    Originally posted by Squeaky
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Originally posted by God's Truth
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
      Joh 1:50-51 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. (51) And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

      Please explain how you come to that conclusion from that scripture. It does NOT say what you say that it says.
      One verse says that Jacob saw the angels of God ascending and descending on a ladder.

      Genesis 28:10-12
      10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
      11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
      12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.


      The other verse says that Nathanael would see the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.

      John 1:50-51
      50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
      51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.


      It seems obvious that Jesus was comparing Himself to the ladder from Jacob's vision.

      Where the video goes wrong is in jumping to the conclusion that the "seed" in Jacob's vision is what Jesus was referring to instead of the ladder itself.
      The ladder Jacob saw was the connection between earth and God.
      Jesus was saying that He is now the connection between earth and God.
      Learn to read what is written.

      _____
      The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
      ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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      • #4
        Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
        Where the video goes wrong is in jumping to the conclusion that the "seed" in Jacob's vision is what Jesus was referring to instead of the ladder itself.
        The ladder Jacob saw was the connection between earth and God.
        Jesus was saying that He is now the connection between earth and God.
        It is clear that Jesus is both the ultimate fulfillment of the promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob of a coming "seed" (Gal. 3:16), and He is the reality to which Jacob's ladder pointed (Gen. 28:12; John 1:50-51). Zooming in on the seed, it is clear that it represents not just Jesus, but also those who are members of His body (Gal. 3:26-29).

        It seems that the questions in the previous couple of posts really revolve around whether the ladder also represents both Jesus and those who believe in Him. The function of the ladder was to connect heaven and earth, and to facilitate God's blessings coming to the world. I believe the evidence is overwhelming that people participate with Jesus in these functions. Here are some evidences:

        1. The Old Testament sanctuary service was a symbol of things to come (Heb. 8:2-5). The priests in the temple assisted the high priest in helping the common people offer their sacrifices (Lev. 1-4, etc). The high priest represented Jesus (Heb. 4:14), and the regular priests represented believers (1 Pet. 2:5-9; Rev. 1:6). Therefore, it was foreshadowed in the Old Testament sanctuary service that in the reality, believers would participate with Christ in helping bring people into connection with God.
        2. Christ committed to Peter (and the other disciples) the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 16:19). These keys are Jesus in the form of His words (John 6:53, 63). When believers share these words, they open up heaven for other people. When they withhold these words, they shut up access to heaven.
        3. Christ gave the disciples authority on earth to forgive sins (John 20:23). Forgiveness of sins happens, not by simply telling people they are forgiven, but by connecting them with the way of life that leads to salvation. People are forgiven by receiving the life of Christ into their own lives - Jesus, in the form of His words (John 1:12, 14).

        From these evidences it can be seen that believers do participate with Jesus in connecting people with God and facilitating His blessings coming to those around them. Since they perform the same function as the ladder in Jacob's dream, I believe it is safe to say they are part of it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jeff Wickham View Post
          It is clear that Jesus is both the ultimate fulfillment of the promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob of a coming "seed" (Gal. 3:16), and He is the reality to which Jacob's ladder pointed (Gen. 28:12; John 1:50-51). Zooming in on the seed, it is clear that it represents not just Jesus, but also those who are members of His body (Gal. 3:26-29).

          It seems that the questions in the previous couple of posts really revolve around whether the ladder also represents both Jesus and those who believe in Him. The function of the ladder was to connect heaven and earth, and to facilitate God's blessings coming to the world. I believe the evidence is overwhelming that people participate with Jesus in these functions. Here are some evidences:

          1. The Old Testament sanctuary service was a symbol of things to come (Heb. 8:2-5). The priests in the temple assisted the high priest in helping the common people offer their sacrifices (Lev. 1-4, etc). The high priest represented Jesus (Heb. 4:14), and the regular priests represented believers (1 Pet. 2:5-9; Rev. 1:6). Therefore, it was foreshadowed in the Old Testament sanctuary service that in the reality, believers would participate with Christ in helping bring people into connection with God.
          2. Christ committed to Peter (and the other disciples) the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 16:19). These keys are Jesus in the form of His words (John 6:53, 63). When believers share these words, they open up heaven for other people. When they withhold these words, they shut up access to heaven.
          3. Christ gave the disciples authority on earth to forgive sins (John 20:23). Forgiveness of sins happens, not by simply telling people they are forgiven, but by connecting them with the way of life that leads to salvation. People are forgiven by receiving the life of Christ into their own lives - Jesus, in the form of His words (John 1:12, 14).

          From these evidences it can be seen that believers do participate with Jesus in connecting people with God and facilitating His blessings coming to those around them. Since they perform the same function as the ladder in Jacob's dream, I believe it is safe to say they are part of it.
          The ladder is symbolic of access to heaven and the throne of God, which the Seed and High Priest of God, Jesus Christ provides. All those chosen in Him are also a royal priesthood. I Peter 2:9-10
          "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

          " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
          Gordon H. Clark

          "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
          Charles Spurgeon

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nang View Post
            The ladder is symbolic of access to heaven and the throne of God, which the Seed and High Priest of God, Jesus Christ provides. All those chosen in Him are also a royal priesthood. I Peter 2:9-10
            Peter is quoting scripture about Israel. Exodus 19
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
              Peter is quoting scripture about Israel. Exodus 19
              Israel was an O.T. nation, and "Israel" is also named as a remnant saved out from that nation.

              N.T. Christians (a remnant saved out of all the nations of the world) are also named "Israel of God". Galatians 6:14-16

              So . . .

              There is only one "Israel."

              There is only one Sovereign God.

              There is only one Christ.

              There is only one Savior.

              There is only one everlasting Kingdom of God.

              There is only one people to share in the inheritance of this Kingdom.

              There is only one Gospel.
              "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

              " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
              Gordon H. Clark

              "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
              Charles Spurgeon

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nang View Post
                Israel was an O.T. nation, and "Israel" is also named as a remnant saved out from that nation.

                N.T. Christians (a remnant saved out of all the nations of the world) are also named "Israel of God". Galatians 6:14-16

                So . . .

                There is only one "Israel."

                There is only one Sovereign God.

                There is only one Christ.

                There is only one Savior.

                There is only one everlasting Kingdom of God.

                There is only one people to share in the inheritance of this Kingdom.

                There is only one Gospel.
                Your confusion is immense.
                All of my ancestors are human.
                Originally posted by Squeaky
                That explains why your an idiot.
                Originally posted by God's Truth
                Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                  Your confusion is immense.
                  N/A

                  What exactly do you think I am confused about?
                  "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                  " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                  Gordon H. Clark

                  "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                  Charles Spurgeon

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nang View Post
                    N/A

                    What exactly do you think I am confused about?
                    Pretty much everything.
                    All of my ancestors are human.
                    Originally posted by Squeaky
                    That explains why your an idiot.
                    Originally posted by God's Truth
                    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nang View Post
                      Israel was an O.T. nation, and "Israel" is also named as a remnant saved out from that nation.

                      N.T. Christians (a remnant saved out of all the nations of the world) are also named "Israel of God". Galatians 6:14-16

                      So . . .

                      There is only one "Israel."

                      There is only one Sovereign God.

                      There is only one Christ.

                      There is only one Savior.

                      There is only one everlasting Kingdom of God.

                      There is only one people to share in the inheritance of this Kingdom.

                      There is only one Gospel.

                      Hi Nang and the above , have no verses for PROOF , so lets have them ?

                      If there is only one GOSPEL , explain how people were saved from Adam to MOSES , Rom 5:14 ?

                      dan p

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DAN P View Post
                        Hi Nang and the above , have no verses for PROOF , so lets have them ?

                        If there is only one GOSPEL , explain how people were saved from Adam to MOSES , Rom 5:14 ?

                        dan p
                        In the O.T. era, sinners were saved by faith in God's promise of a "Seed"; the Messiah to come.

                        In the N.T. era, sinners are saved by faith in God's fulfillment of that promise by sending His Son Jesus Christ into the world.
                        "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                        " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                        Gordon H. Clark

                        "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                        Charles Spurgeon

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nang View Post
                          In the O.T. era, sinners were saved by faith in God's promise of a "Seed"; the Messiah to come.

                          In the N.T. era, sinners are saved by faith in God's fulfillment of that promise by sending His Son Jesus Christ into the world.
                          O.T. era
                          N.T. era

                          More made up baloney.
                          All of my ancestors are human.
                          Originally posted by Squeaky
                          That explains why your an idiot.
                          Originally posted by God's Truth
                          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                            O.T. era
                            N.T. era

                            More made up baloney.
                            O.T. era = BC dating (before Christ)

                            N.T. era = AD dating (after Christ)

                            Note: Both eras involve the entire human race, not just the Jewish nation.

                            Persons were saved before the birth of Christ by believing in God's Covenant promises of a coming Savior. Persons of all races are being saved after the birth of Christ by believing the Savior indeed has come from God as promised.

                            Why do you call such biblical facts "baloney?"

                            ?????

                            What is your gripe?
                            "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                            " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                            Gordon H. Clark

                            "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                            Charles Spurgeon

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                              O.T. era
                              N.T. era

                              More made up baloney.
                              Hi and since you say that there are TWO ERA'S , EXPLAIN Rom 5:14 , That death reigned FROM Adam to Moses , SO what is the GOSPEL and how were they SAVED ??

                              dan p

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