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  • #16
    Whitey am de debbil

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Guyver View Post
      Great! What do you know of water?
      I know that it's responsible for the deaths of more Americans than assault rifles

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      • #18
        Ban water!!!11
        Where is the evidence for a global flood?
        E≈mc2
        "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

        "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
        -Bob B.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
          If so, we are merely puppets, doing as He directs us.
          No, the sons of God (Christians) willfully obey His Scriptural directions because they believe they are right and good.

          But puppets who feel love, fear, anger, and pain. Some of whom He created with the sole purpose of eternally torturing us for something He compelled us to do or created us as incapable of doing. That is not the behavior of a good and eternal God.
          Your description of Christian believers is inaccurate. And your defense of reprobate unbelievers is telling.
          "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

          " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
          Gordon H. Clark

          "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
          Charles Spurgeon

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          • #20
            Barbarian and Nang should argue more often.
            Where is the evidence for a global flood?
            E≈mc2
            "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

            "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
            -Bob B.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nang View Post
              No, the sons of God (Christians) willfully obey His Scriptural directions because they believe they are right and good.
              If you are correct, they only believe because God created them so they have no choice. And those who do not believe do not because God created them to have no choice. Merely highly complicated robots with no blame or praise to be given to them for merely acting as they were programmed.

              Your description of Christian believers is inaccurate.
              No. Your belief in humans who are created by God without free will is inaccurate. We are like God, knowing good and evil, and responsible for acting accordingly. None of was created for the purpose of being condemned. God is unwilling that any person be lost. Your defense of reprobate unbelievers is telling. It was not God creating them to be evil, but rather their own choices that make them reprobate.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                If you are correct, they only believe because God created them so they have no choice. And those who do not believe do not because God created them to have no choice. Merely highly complicated robots with no blame or praise to be given to them for merely acting as they were programmed.



                No. Your belief in humans who are created by God without free will is inaccurate. We are like God, knowing good and evil, and responsible for acting accordingly. None of was created for the purpose of being condemned. God is unwilling that any person be lost. Your defense of reprobate unbelievers is telling. It was not God creating them to be evil, but rather their own choices that make them reprobate.
                This might surprise you, but even though I am of the Reformed faith ("Calvinist"), I believe God created all mankind possessing a will, and that human will was commanded to be exercised in total subjection and accountability under God's will . . to the glory of God.

                But Adam exercised his will in disobedience to God's commands (which revealed to him the will of God), and thus the will of all mankind was brought into total bondage to serving sin and the devil.

                Since Adam, not a soul has been born who has had any ability to choose to align their willfulness to God's will. All men, from all time, have only served sin.

                The only exception to this truth, was Jesus Christ, who was born a Man, and DID do the will of God, to the glory of God. Doing so, Jesus fulfilled His human responsibility and met all divine accountability before God, by being perfectly obedient to the laws and stated commands of God.

                And He did so, on behalf of a people that God has given Him to represent (as the "last Adam"). Jesus Christ chose to do for His people, what they could not and never would not choose to do for themselves.

                Only sinners who are anointed and brought to new spiritual life by the Holy Spirit, are able to believe through the gift of faith, in this divine Justification worked on their behalf by Triune God.

                These regenerated and justified souls DO choose to believe and live new spiritual lives that align and accord with the will of God . . but only because they are spiritually changed and enabled to do so . . which gives God all the glory as He originally purposed men to achieve and enjoy.

                Soli Deo Gloria!
                "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                Gordon H. Clark

                "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                Charles Spurgeon

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Stripe View Post
                  Catholics tried to make Darwin god.
                  Didn't they try to make Mary god?

                  Stuart

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
                    They say, of course, that dinosaurs (plural) "evolved into" birds (plural). If they imagine they are, in so saying, really uttering a proposition--something that's either true, or false--then they have a burden to try to explain what it is for an individual dinosaur (singular) to "evolve into" an individual bird (singular). For, consider how abjectly stupid someone must be who can, in all seriousness, out of one side of his/her mouth, say "Dinosaurs evolved into birds", and, out of the other side of his/her mouth, say "No dinosaur ever evolved into a bird."
                    If you take the longer view, birds are therapod dinosaurs. Try looking at chickens as dinosaurs. It tells you a lot about dinosaurs.

                    Stuart

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Stuu View Post
                      If you take the longer view, birds are therapod dinosaurs. Try looking at chickens as dinosaurs. It tells you a lot about dinosaurs.

                      Stuart
                      According to the irrational view--the Disney view--birds are dinosaurs.

                      Look at what you're saying when you say "Dinosaurs evolved into birds" AND "Birds are dinosaurs": you're saying "Dinosaurs evolved into [dinosaurs]." So, Professor, since you say that dinosaurs "evolved into" dinosaurs, why don't you tell us which (if any) non-dinosaurs you would say dinosaurs "evolved into"? What (if anything) is your point in telling people that dinosaurs "evolved into" dinosaurs? Why do you imagine it is even the least bit interesting for you to say that dinosaurs "evolved into" dinosaurs? Do you expect applause for saying that? Would you expect applause for saying, of some man or woman, "That human being grew up to be a human being"?

                      By the way, why, in your reply to my post, did you even bother to quote what I had written in my post, since you utterly failed to address anything I had written in it?

                      "Try looking at chickens as dinosaurs"??? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

                      Thanks (but no, thanks) for the invite into your fantastical neighborhood of whimsical make-believe, but why should I "try looking at chickens as" something they are not (and as something only confused people--enemies of logic and rational thinking--could say they are)? I'll continue to look at chickens as what they actually are--that is, as birds, as non-dinosaurs.

                      Why do you despise God so much that you're willing to say such stupid things as that birds are dinosaurs?
                      All my ancestors are human.
                      PS: All your ancestors are human.
                      PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
                        According to the irrational view--the Disney view--birds are dinosaurs.

                        Look at what you're saying when you say "Dinosaurs evolved into birds" AND "Birds are dinosaurs": you're saying "Dinosaurs evolved into [dinosaurs]." So, Professor, since you say that dinosaurs "evolved into" dinosaurs, why don't you tell us which (if any) non-dinosaurs you would say dinosaurs "evolved into"? What (if anything) is your point in telling people that dinosaurs "evolved into" dinosaurs? Why do you imagine it is even the least bit interesting for you to say that dinosaurs "evolved into" dinosaurs? Do you expect applause for saying that? Would you expect applause for saying, of some man or woman, "That human being grew up to be a human being"?

                        By the way, why, in your reply to my post, did you even bother to quote what I had written in my post, since you utterly failed to address anything I had written in it?

                        "Try looking at chickens as dinosaurs"??? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

                        Thanks (but no, thanks) for the invite into your fantastical neighborhood of whimsical make-believe, but why should I "try looking at chickens as" something they are not (and as something only confused people--enemies of logic and rational thinking--could say they are)? I'll continue to look at chickens as what they actually are--that is, as birds, as non-dinosaurs.

                        Why do you despise God so much that you're willing to say such stupid things as that birds are dinosaurs?
                        It seems that you know everything there is to know on this topic so I will leave you with your superior knowledge.

                        Stuart

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Stuu View Post
                          It seems that you know everything there is to know on this topic so I will leave you with your superior knowledge.

                          Stuart
                          Why can't you at least try to answer the questions I asked you?
                          All my ancestors are human.
                          PS: All your ancestors are human.
                          PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
                            Why can't you at least try to answer the questions I asked you?
                            Because he's a well known troll.
                            All of my ancestors are human.
                            Originally posted by Squeaky
                            That explains why your an idiot.
                            Originally posted by God's Truth
                            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                              Because he's a well known troll.
                              I see you are a master of irony.

                              Stuart

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
                                Why can't you at least try to answer the questions I asked you?
                                I reject the premise of the question. You have not explained why you think it is unreasonable to assert that birds are dinosaurs: it is the only proper explanation of how birds arose.

                                But since you have superior knowledge, perhaps you can tell me why I 'despise God so much that [I'm] willing to say such stupid things as that birds are dinosaurs?'. What do you think my motive is? Surely your god doesn't care what I think about phylogeny.

                                Stuart

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