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    1 Tim 5:1-2

    1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
    2 The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

    Heb 4:12-13
    12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
    13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

    xxx The Word of God is true, and powerful and perfect just the way it is written. It separates apostles from disciples, believers from non believers. And will show the purpose of every thought in you.

    1 Pet 5:1
    1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed:

    xxx Elders are those who have walked in obedience to the Holy Spirit and submitted to every verse given to them. Doer's of the Word.

    Rom 12:19
    19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.

    xxx Elders do not need to discipline disciples God will do it for them.

    Rom 13:1-2

    1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
    2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

    xxx Even apostles have authority over them, If their young in apostleship, they have elders in apostlehip. If their elders in apostlehip, they have those who have the revelations of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit will never lead you to rebel against the governing authorities. Those who have the revelations of Jesus Christ have Jesus Christ.

    Rom 13:5
    5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.

    xxx If you rebel against the spiritual governing authorities you have an evil conscience. You must purge it.

    Rom 2:11-12
    11 For there is no partiality with God.
    12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law

    xxx When your a Christian, your under the law of Christ.

    Rom 2:1-3
    1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
    2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
    3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?

    xxx When you judge an elder in Christianity you condemn yourself. Until you have the authority from experiance, you dont have the right knowledge to judge. And you are judging Gods law.

    James 4:11
    11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

    Matt 7:1-5
    1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
    2 "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
    3 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
    4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
    5 "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

    xxx You will always have carnal thoughts judging against spiritual authorities. That is the evidence of the presence of the devil in you. Which is your thorn in the flesh. The moment you believe one of them thoughts, is the moment you STOP growing in the Spirit. And start loosing your treasures that you have built up. The devil leads you into looseing all you have worked for.

    [Mar 4:24–25
    [24] Then He said to them, "Take heed what you hear. With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you; and to you who hear, more will be given.
    [25] "For whoever has, to him more will be given; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him."

    2 Cor 12:7
    7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.

    Rom 7:24-25
    24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
    25 I thank God-- through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

  • #2
    We are all trying to be more spiritually minded. It is a growing process. The meat understanding takes atleast eleven years. Its like a man climbing to slippery pole. Some times he looses his focus and slides back down alittle. Some of you when judge carnally and sliding back down your walk.

    [Luk 6:36–40
    [36] "Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.
    [37] "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
    [38] "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
    [39] And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch?
    [40] "A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher.

    A Christian should never criticize unless they can show why with scripture. Naysayers are sliding backwards.


    • #3

      Eph 4:11-24
      11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
      12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
      13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
      14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
      15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-- Christ--
      16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
      17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind,
      18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their heart;
      19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
      20 But you have not so learned Christ,
      21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:
      22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,
      23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
      24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
      Rom 8:7-8
      7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
      8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
      Rom 8:13-14
      13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
      14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
      Rom 8:1-2
      1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
      2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
      Rom 8:4
      4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
      John 6:63
      63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
      John 4:24
      24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
      2 Cor 5:5
      5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
      John 14:26
      26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
      Luke 22:25-26
      25 And He said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called 'benefactors.'
      26 "But not so among you; on the contrary, he who is greatest among you, let him be as the younger, and he who governs as he who serves.
      1 Pet 5:2-4
      2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly;
      3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;
      4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.
      1Thes 2:5-7
      5 For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness-- God is witness.
      6 Nor did we seek glory from men, either from you or from others, when we might have made demands as apostles of Christ.
      7 But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children.
      1Thes 2:8
      8 So, affectionately longing for you, we were well pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God, but also our own lives, because you had become dear to us.
      1Thes 5:9-13
      9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
      10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
      11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.
      12 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,
      13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
      Eph 6:17-20
      17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
      18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints--
      19 and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel,
      20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
      Heb 13:7
      7 Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct.
      Heb 13:17
      17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.
      1 Tim 5:1
      1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

      xxx An elder is anyone who you are learning from.


      1 Pet 5:1-11

      1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed:
      2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly;
      3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;
      4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.
      5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
      6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,
      7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
      8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
      9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
      10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
      11 To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
      Luke 12:48-49
      48 "But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
      49 "I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!


      [1Co 12:27–31
      [27] Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
      [28] And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.
      [29] [Are] all apostles? [Are] all prophets? [Are] all teachers? [Are] all workers of miracles?
      [30] Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
      [31] But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.