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    2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

    Jesus, after his resurrection, spoke unto the twelve apostles of the kingdom of God (Acts 1:3). The aspect of the kingdom of God Jesus spoke of was the kingdom of the Davidic covenant; the kingdom promised Israel to reign with Christ on earth (1 Chronicles 17:12 Luke 1:32). The apostles wanted to know if Jesus was about to restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6).

    Jesus commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which was the Holy Ghost (Acts 1:5).

    2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

    2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

    2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

    The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost, began to speak in tongues.

    2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

    Speaking in tongues, as can clearly be seen in verse 6, is speaking in the hearers language. Also in verses 8 and 11, tongues involves the ability given the apostles to speak and be heard in a specific language, not of their own. It was a sign given them to substantiate their ministry.

    Peter, standing with the eleven, spoke in the following verse:

    2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    Pentecost and the filling of the Holy Ghost was prophesied by Joel. This was a fulfillment of prophecy in Joel 2:28-32. This prophecy was directed to Israel, and those present were for the most part Jews.

    2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

    2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

    2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection, the gospel of the Circumcision (Galatians 2:7). The resurrection of Jesus Christ would assure the fulfillment of the future promised kingdom on earth, in which, he was raised from the dead to sit on the throne of David. The Holy Spirit will cause Israel to keep his commandments and reign and rule with him over the nations, to be a light of salvation to the Gentiles (Ezekiel 36:24-28 Revelation 20:4 Matthew 5:14).

    2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

    2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

    Peter, in the above verses, states that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus rose from the dead declaring that he is the Son of God (Romans 1:4).

    In verse 38 below, Peter shows that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour of Israel, who alone can forgive the sins of the nation of Israel.

    2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

    Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to repentant Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.

    2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

    The believers were baptized according to the commandment of the Davidic covenant announced by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:2); the cleansing for the remission of sins; the recognition of the name,authority, and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the body of Christ.

    2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

    2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

    2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

    They sold all they had and provided to all according to the commandment to Israel by Jesus in Matthew 13:46 and Matthew 19:21.

    2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

    2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

    They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.

  • #2
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

    Jesus, after his resurrection, spoke unto the twelve apostles of the kingdom of God (Acts 1:3). The aspect of the kingdom of God Jesus spoke of was the kingdom of the Davidic covenant; the kingdom promised Israel to reign with Christ on earth (1 Chronicles 17:12 Luke 1:32). The apostles wanted to know if Jesus was about to restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6).

    Jesus commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which was the Holy Ghost (Acts 1:5).

    2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

    2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

    2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

    The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost, began to speak in tongues.

    2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

    Speaking in tongues, as can clearly be seen in verse 6, is speaking in the hearers language. Also in verses 8 and 11, tongues involves the ability given the apostles to speak and be heard in a specific language, not of their own. It was a sign given them to substantiate their ministry.

    Peter, standing with the eleven, spoke in the following verse:

    2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    Pentecost and the filling of the Holy Ghost was prophesied by Joel. This was a fulfillment of prophecy in Joel 2:28-32. This prophecy was directed to Israel, and those present were for the most part Jews.

    2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

    2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

    2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection, the gospel of the Circumcision (Galatians 2:7). The resurrection of Jesus Christ would assure the fulfillment of the future promised kingdom on earth, in which, he was raised from the dead to sit on the throne of David. The Holy Spirit will cause Israel to keep his commandments and reign and rule with him over the nations, to be a light of salvation to the Gentiles (Ezekiel 36:24-28 Revelation 20:4 Matthew 5:14).

    2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

    2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

    Peter, in the above verses, states that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus rose from the dead declaring that he is the Son of God (Romans 1:4).

    In verse 38 below, Peter shows that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour of Israel, who alone can forgive the sins of the nation of Israel.

    2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

    Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to repentant Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.

    2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

    The believers were baptized according to the commandment of the Davidic covenant announced by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:2); the cleansing for the remission of sins; the recognition of the name,authority, and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the body of Christ.

    2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

    2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

    2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

    They sold all they had and provided to all according to the commandment to Israel by Jesus in Matthew 13:46 and Matthew 19:21.

    2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

    2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

    They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.
    Luke 17:21, that is the none observable kingdom Luke 17:20, that has always existed John 18:36, and hid from carnal earthly minds that takes spiritual allegory literally, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 2 Corinthians 13:5, Acts 17:24, Hebrews 3:6, Colossians 1:27, Ezekiel 7:22
    Paul leaves a hint in plain sight as to the OT being symbolic allegories Galatians 4:24, Psalms 78 reveals Israel history is a parable past down to each generation, a dark spiritual dream in the mind of God, awake is the battle cry Psalms 78:65, to Christ asleep in mans dark conscience, Ephesians 5:14, let the weak say I AM strong and boldly claim inheritance in God's kingdom that was set aside to become man Galatians 4:1. Proverbs 1:6,, 25:2, Ezekiel 17:2.
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DougE View Post
      THE CHURCH DID NOT START AT PENTECOST

      In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only.
      A church started at Pentecost

      Saul\Paul persecuted that church

      Act 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
      Act 8:2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
      Act 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

      Saul\Paul destroyed that church

      Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

      then Paul started a church ...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
        A church started at Pentecost

        Saul\Paul persecuted that church

        Act 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
        Act 8:2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
        Act 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

        Saul\Paul destroyed that church

        Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

        then Paul started a church ...
        Hello
        There are 3 churches.

        The church in the wilderness which consisted of the assembly of Israel (Acts 7:38).

        The church of God you cited in Galatians 1:13 that Paul persecuted. These were believers in Christ. Those who believed that Jesus was Messiah, the Son of God. They were looking for the promised kingdom on earth.

        The body of Christ was revealed to Paul by Jesus. This is the present day church.

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        • #5
          from gotquestions.org

          The church began on the Day of Pentecost, fifty days after the Passover when Jesus died and rose again. The word translated “church” comes from two Greek words that together mean “called out from the world for God.” The word is used throughout the Bible to refer to all those who have been born again (John 3:3) through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus (Romans 10:9–10). The word church, when used to reference all believers everywhere, is synonymous with the term Body of Christ (Ephesians 1:22–23; Colossians 1:18).

          The word church first appears in Matthew 16 when Jesus tells Peter, “On this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” (verse 18). The “rock” here is the statement Peter had made, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God” (verse 16). That truth about Jesus is the bedrock of the church that has flourished for over two thousand years. Everyone who makes that truth the foundation of his or her own life becomes a member of Jesus’ church (Acts 16:31).

          Jesus’ words, “I will build my church,” were a foretelling of what was about to happen when He sent the Holy Spirit to indwell believers (John 15:26–27; 16:13). Jesus still had to undergo the cross and experience the resurrection. Although the disciples understood in part, the fulfillment of all Jesus had come to do had not yet been accomplished. After His resurrection Jesus would not allow His followers to begin the work He had given them, to make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19–20), until the Holy Spirit had come (Acts 1:4–5).

          The book of Acts details the beginning of the church and its miraculous spread through the power of the Holy Spirit. Ten days after Jesus ascended back into heaven (Acts 1:9), the Holy Spirit was poured out upon 120 of Jesus’ followers who waited and prayed (Acts 1:15; 2:1–4). The same disciples who had quaked in fear of being identified with Jesus (Mark 14:30, 50) were suddenly empowered to boldly proclaim the gospel of the risen Messiah, validating their message with miraculous signs and wonders (Acts 2:4, 38–41; 3:6–7; 8:7). Thousands of Jews from all parts of the world were in Jerusalem for the Feast of Pentecost. They heard the gospel in their own languages (Acts 2:5–8), and many believed (Acts 2:41; 4:4). Those who were saved were baptized, adding daily to the church. When persecution broke out, the believers scattered, taking the gospel message with them, and the church spread like wildfire to all parts of the known earth (Acts 8:4; 11:19–21).

          The start of the church involved Jews in Jerusalem, but the church soon spread to other people groups. The Samaritans were evangelized by Philip in Acts 8. In Acts 10, God gave Peter a vision that helped him understand that the message of salvation was not limited to the Jews but open to anyone who believed (Acts 10:34–35, 45). The salvation of the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26–39) and the Italian centurion Cornelius (Acts 10) convinced the Jewish believers that God’s church was broader than they had imagined. The miraculous calling of Paul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:1–19) set the stage for an even greater spread of the gospel to the Gentiles (Romans 15:16; 1 Timothy 2:7).

          Jesus’ prophetic words to Peter before the crucifixion have proved true. Though persecution and “the gates of Hades” have fought against it, the church only grows stronger. Revelation 7:9 provides a glimpse of the church as God designed it to be: “After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.” The church that Jesus began will continue until the day He comes for us (John 14:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17) and we are united with Him forever as His bride (Ephesians 5:27; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Revelation 19:7).
          He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

          Jim Elliot

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DougE View Post
            Hello
            There are 3 churches.

            The church in the wilderness which consisted of the assembly of Israel (Acts 7:38).

            The church of God you cited in Galatians 1:13 that Paul persecuted. These were believers in Christ. Those who believed that Jesus was Messiah, the Son of God. They were looking for the promised kingdom on earth.

            The body of Christ was revealed to Paul by Jesus. This is the present day church.
            so the current church didn't start at Pentecost,
            whats the difference between that church and our current church?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
              so the current church didn't start at Pentecost,
              whats the difference between that church and our current church?
              Hello
              The church of God is in Christ. They believed that Jesus is Messiah and the Son of God. They are promised the land and an earthly kingdom along with the old testament saints such as Abraham (although the order of resurrections are different).

              The body of Christ (the current church) believed the gospel of Christ as preached by Paul and have a position in the heavenly places of the kingdom of God.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DougE View Post
                2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

                Jesus, after his resurrection, spoke unto the twelve apostles of the kingdom of God (Acts 1:3). The aspect of the kingdom of God Jesus spoke of was the kingdom of the Davidic covenant; the kingdom promised Israel to reign with Christ on earth (1 Chronicles 17:12 Luke 1:32). The apostles wanted to know if Jesus was about to restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6).

                Jesus commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which was the Holy Ghost (Acts 1:5).

                2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

                2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

                2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

                The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost, began to speak in tongues.

                2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

                Speaking in tongues, as can clearly be seen in verse 6, is speaking in the hearers language. Also in verses 8 and 11, tongues involves the ability given the apostles to speak and be heard in a specific language, not of their own. It was a sign given them to substantiate their ministry.

                Peter, standing with the eleven, spoke in the following verse:

                2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

                Pentecost and the filling of the Holy Ghost was prophesied by Joel. This was a fulfillment of prophecy in Joel 2:28-32. This prophecy was directed to Israel, and those present were for the most part Jews.

                2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

                2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

                2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

                2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

                In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection, the gospel of the Circumcision (Galatians 2:7). The resurrection of Jesus Christ would assure the fulfillment of the future promised kingdom on earth, in which, he was raised from the dead to sit on the throne of David. The Holy Spirit will cause Israel to keep his commandments and reign and rule with him over the nations, to be a light of salvation to the Gentiles (Ezekiel 36:24-28 Revelation 20:4 Matthew 5:14).

                2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

                2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

                Peter, in the above verses, states that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus rose from the dead declaring that he is the Son of God (Romans 1:4).

                In verse 38 below, Peter shows that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour of Israel, who alone can forgive the sins of the nation of Israel.

                2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

                2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

                Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to repentant Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.

                2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

                The believers were baptized according to the commandment of the Davidic covenant announced by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:2); the cleansing for the remission of sins; the recognition of the name,authority, and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the body of Christ.

                2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

                2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

                2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

                2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

                They sold all they had and provided to all according to the commandment to Israel by Jesus in Matthew 13:46 and Matthew 19:21.

                2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

                2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

                They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.
                When/where did the church first start?
                Wretched man that I am.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                  Saul\Paul persecuted that church
                  Paul referred to the church he persecuted as the Way.
                  Acts 9:2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

                  When Paul was making his defense before the Jews he said he persecuted this Way. The Way he was on trial for. He was now on the other side being persecuted by the Jews.
                  Acts 22:4 I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering to prison both men and women,

                  Before Felix Paul says he worships God according to the Way.
                  Acts 24:14 But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets,

                  Paul was persecuting the body of Christ.
                  Acts 9:5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
                  Last edited by turbosixx; June 11th, 2019, 04:12 AM.
                  Wretched man that I am.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by turbosixx View Post
                    When/where did the church first start?
                    Hello
                    There are 3 churches
                    The church in the wilderness which is the assembly of Israel Acts 7:38
                    The church of God which Paul persecuted and was comprised of believers in Christ who believed on Jesus as Messiah, Son of God.
                    The church, the body of Christ was revealed by Christ to Paul after his conversion in Acts 9.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DougE View Post
                      Hello
                      There are 3 churches
                      The church in the wilderness which is the assembly of Israel Acts 7:38
                      The church of God which Paul persecuted and was comprised of believers in Christ who believed on Jesus as Messiah, Son of God.
                      The church, the body of Christ was revealed by Christ to Paul after his conversion in Acts 9.
                      When was this church established?
                      Matt. 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

                      Do you not believe this?
                      Originally posted by DougE View Post
                      believers in Christ who believed on Jesus as Messiah, Son of God
                      Wretched man that I am.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by turbosixx View Post
                        Matt. 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

                        Do you not believe this?
                        I believe it! He built His Church; not A Church, but The Church.
                        "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                        @Nee_Nihilo

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                          I believe it! He built His Church; not A Church, but The Church.
                          Peter isn't that rock. Jesus is. The Church is built upon Christ.
                          He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                          Jim Elliot

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                            Peter isn't that rock. Jesus is. The Church is built upon Christ.
                            The Catholic Church also believes /teaches that St. Peter's confession in Matthew 16:16 KJV is the rock also. It still doesn't negate that Peter's the rock, in fact named the rock, by the Lord the Rock John 1:42 KJV.
                            "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                            @Nee_Nihilo

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                              The Catholic Church also believes /teaches that St. Peter's confession in Matthew 16:16 KJV is the rock also. It still doesn't negate that Peter's the rock, in fact named the rock, by the Lord the Rock John 1:42 KJV.
                              Yes, Peter's statement that Jesus is the Christ is the rock. Jesus purchased the church with His blood, Acts 20:28. I suggest to you Peter is not the rock. If you look at the Greek text, it's petra feminine. A man's name is masculine, Petros, so it could not be Peter.
                              Wretched man that I am.

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