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    Is the Trinity biblical?
    Is the Trinity taught in the Bible?
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    Yes
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    No
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    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

  • #2
    Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Is the Trinity biblical?
    Is the Trinity taught in the Bible?
    Trinitarianism is taught in the bible if you accept the Catholic insertions as opposed to the original script.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
      Trinitarianism is taught in the bible if you accept the Catholic insertions as opposed to the original script.
      Forgetting any type of denominationalism, is the Trinity taught in the Bible?
      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

      Jim Elliot

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
        Trinitarianism is taught in the bible if you accept the Catholic insertions ....
        Like what?
        So, what?

        believe it!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
          Forgetting any type of denominationalism, is the Trinity taught in the Bible?
          i wouldn't say that it's "taught", but shown and referred to

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          • #6
            Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
            i wouldn't say that it's "taught", but shown and referred to
            OK, I can live with that.
            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

            Jim Elliot

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            • #7
              Judaism had no concept of God having a Son. While the Trinity had been known and taught long before Judaism evolved, the monotheistic battle of the Israelites against the multiple Gods of surrounding cultures left no room for a Triune deity in Hebrew Theology.

              The truth that God has a creator Son who created this world was revealed in the life of Jesus.

              "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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              • #8
                Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                i wouldn't say that it's "taught", but shown and referred to
                Very good.
                Learn to read what is written.

                _____
                The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
                  Like what?
                  In Judaism, the idea of God as a duality or trinity is heretical.

                  In the only codices which would be even likely to preserve an older reading, namely the Sinaitic Syriac and the oldest Latin Manuscript, the pages are GONE which contained the end of Matthew 28. Frederick Cornwallis Conybeare (1856 - 9 January 1924) Professor of Theology at the University of Oxford.

                  Here is the oldest recorded document of Matthew 28:19.

                  "The Demonstratio Evangelica" by Eusebius:
                  Eusebius of Caesarea. 265 ? AD.– 337 ? AD.


                  Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea. On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. Eusebius informs us of Yahshua's actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19.

                  Quote: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all...

                  And again Eusebius for example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read:

                  "But the rest of the disciples, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went to all nations to preach the good news, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, "Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name."


                  And again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read:

                  "What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name?
                  Surely none save our only Savior has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke these words to his followers, and fulfilled it by that event, saying to them, "Go ye and make disciples of all nations in my name."

                  There is not a single occurrence of the disciples baptizing anyone using the Trinitarian formula. All of the scripture in the New Testament shows that people were baptized into the name of Jesus, even after Pentecost.

                  And when people in church leadership received the Holy Spirit, it was without the Trinitarian formula as in Acts 8:17.
                  Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

                  Trinity related

                  Acts 20:28 Holman bible foot note. Other mss read church of the Lord; other mss read church of the Lord and God

                  Acts 20:28 NIV foot note. Many manuscripts: “of the Lord” 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.(a) Be shepherds of the church of God,(b) which he bought with his own blood.

                  1 Timothy 3:16 Holman bible foot note. Other mss read God
                  1 Timothy 3:16 NIV foot note. Some manuscripts God

                  1 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
                  He(a) appeared in a body,(b)
                  was vindicated by the Spirit,
                  was seen by angels,
                  was preached among the nations,
                  was believed on in the world,
                  was taken up in glory.
                  Footnotes:
                  a. 1 Timothy 3:16 Some manuscripts God
                  b. 1 Timothy 3:16 Or in the flesh


                  1 John 3:16 In this we have known the charity of God, because he hath laid down his life for us:...

                  The words (of God) are not in the original text of 1 John 3:16, but have been added.

                  NIV 1 John 5
                  6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

                  NIV Footnotes:
                  a.1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century)

                  KJV 1 John 5:6
                  This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth, that Christ is the truth. 7And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

                  1 John 5:7 implicitly states that all THREE are ONE.

                  This is the only verse in the Bible that explicitly states that all three persons are one.
                  Unfortunately, it was added to that verse.
                  No earlier version includes that last phrase about them being one.

                  The first 2 additions of Erasmus' master Greek text did not have this.
                  Stunica (a Catholic authority) demanded that he include the phrase.
                  Erasmus told Stunica that if he could provide one Greek manuscript with that phrase, he would include it.
                  But no Greek manuscripts up to that time had it.
                  Only Latin manuscripts had it. So Stunica had a Greek manuscript made up from the Latin and forced Erasmus to include it.

                  In 1514, before Erasmus had even begun to edit his text, but its publication was delayed until 1522, until permission of Pope Leo X had finally been obtained for it.

                  "The supreme Pontiff Leo X, Our Most Holy Father in Christ and Lord, desiring to favour this undertaking, sent from the apostolic library."

                  This claim seems to have been accepted by all at that time.
                  In view of its inclusion in the Clementine edition of the Latin Vulgate (1592), in 1897 the Holy Office in Rome, a high ecclesiastical congregation, made an authoritative pronouncement, approved and confirmed by Pope Leo XIII, that it is not safe to deny that this verse is an authentic part of St. John's Epistle.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                    Very good.
                    Are you anti Trinity ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                      Are you anti Trinity ?
                      Yes, He/She is.
                      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                      Jim Elliot

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                        Are you anti Trinity ?
                        He is smart so the question is kind of silly.
                        Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

                        Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

                        Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by keypurr View Post
                          He is smart so the question is kind of silly.
                          You continue to belittle the Biblical text.
                          He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                          Jim Elliot

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by keypurr View Post
                            He is smart so the question is kind of silly.
                            You friend, are a broken record. In over 13 months I haven't seen you post anything but anti Trinity bunk. You are obsessed with it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                              You friend, are a broken record. In over 13 months I haven't seen you post anything but anti Trinity bunk. You are obsessed with it.
                              The Holy Spirit is the Fathers Spirit which begat Jesus.

                              and the Holy Spirit "as a third person" does not get a mention in the Bible.

                              1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

                              1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
                              1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
                              1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
                              1Co 1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
                              My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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