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  • #76
    Anti divinity advocates have a 33 year old carpenter as a temporary man-God running the universe. And if God gave ALL power, did God retire?

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
      G.O. you just can't/won't see the truth of the Trinity in Scripture.
      Does the scripture teach us that we must believe in the Trinity doctrine to be saved?
      No, it does not.

      Does the scripture even state that there is such a thing as the Trinity?
      No it does not.

      Can a person who has been told that God is a Trinity use the scriptures to prove to himself that God is a Trinity?
      Yes.

      Can a person who does not believe God is a Trinity use the scriptures to prove that God is not a Trinity?
      Yes.

      Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
      You're either
      blind to truth, not a true believer, or just a guy caught up in false doctrine.
      Which is it?
      Your statement is an example of the logic fallacy called False Trichotomy.

      I am not blind to the truth, since I search the scripture for the truth.

      I am a true believer, since I believe what the scripture says.

      I am not caught up in false doctrine, since I verify every doctrine of man against the teachings of the scripture.

      Verifying a doctrine against the teachings of the scripture will often result in a different answer than searching the scripture for verses that can validate a doctrine.
      Learn to read what is written.

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      The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
      ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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      • #78
        Originally posted by jamie View Post
        He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
        (John 1:3 NKJV)

        So what was made without him? Were the heavens and earth made without him?
        The verse is referring to the Logos from John 1:1.
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        λόγος • ‎(lógos)
        1. That which is said: word, sentence, speech, story, debate, utterance.
        2. That which is thought: reason, consideration, computation, reckoning.
        3. An account, explanation, or narrative.
        4. Subject matter.

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        The concept that God's spoken word was used to create the universe comes from the first chapter of the Bible.

        Genesis 1:3
        3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


        The spoken word of God has the power to maintain the universe.

        Hebrews 1:3
        3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:


        There is nothing controversial in claiming that all things were made through the spoken word of God.

        Originally posted by jamie View Post
        ...and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him.
        (Colossians 3:10 NKJV)

        Were humans made without him?
        The concept that humans were made in the image of God by God Himself also comes from the first chapter of the Bible.

        Genesis 1:27
        27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


        There is nothing controversial in claiming that God created man in His own image.

        Originally posted by jamie View Post
        ...has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds. (Hebrews 1:2 NKJV)

        Were the worlds made without him?
        What a great verse that supports Unitarianism.

        We see that God, who usually speaks through prophets, is now speaking to us by His Son, and that God has appointed His Son as His heir.
        Learn to read what is written.

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        The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
        ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Caino View Post
          Anti divinity advocates have a 33 year old carpenter as a temporary man-God running the universe. And if God gave ALL power, did God retire?
          For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. (1 Corinthians 15:27 NKJV)

          Without exception there are always exceptions.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
            Are you anti Trinity ?
            Bs"d

            God is ONE, and not three.

            For the finer details look HERE


            "O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction. The Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say: “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things. Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Y-H-W-H.”
            Jer 16:19-21
            Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
              You ought to be rejected if you deny the truth of the Trinity and the Deity of Christ.
              Bs"d

              God is one and not three:


              שמע ישראל י-ה-ו-ה אלהנו י-ה-ו-ה אחד


              Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is
              ONE.

              And you shall love Y-H-W-H your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
              And these words which I command you this day shall be upon your heart;
              and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise.
              And you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
              And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
              Deut 6:4-9

              The Jews until this day fulfill this commandment. Every morning they put upon their arm and upon their forehead their phylacteries, (prayer belts) that consist of black straps with black leather cubes, that contain parchment upon which is written this Biblical text that says that God is one. Upon the doorposts of the houses of the religious Jews there are small boxes or containers that also contain parchment upon which is written that God is one. During the morning and evening prayers the above text is recited which says that God is one.

              And there is only God, and that is Y-H-W-H, and besides Him there is no god.

              Therefore there is no divinity in your messiah.


              "O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction. The Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say: “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things. Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Y-H-W-H.”
              Jer 16:19-21
              Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.

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              • #82
                Thought you might like this;

                http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-text-triadic.htm
                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                Jim Elliot

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by jamie View Post
                  If one accepts Paul's assertion in Colossians 1:16 then there is no doubt Christ was the Creator identified in Genesis 2:4.
                  Bs"d

                  That Creator however, is Y-H-W-H, so that doesn't hold water:

                  "This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that Y-H-W-H God made the earth and the heavens"

                  "O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction. The Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say: “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things. Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Y-H-W-H.”
                  Jer 16:19-21
                  Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
                    G.O. you just can't/won't see the truth of the Trinity in Scripture. You're either
                    blind to truth, not a true believer, or just a guy caught up in false doctrine.
                    Which is it?
                    Bs"d

                    Why is it that you can't/won't see that God is one? It is all over Scripture, see HERE

                    Why are you blind for the truth in Scripture?

                    Why do you keep on running after extra-Biblical lies like trinity?


                    "O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction. The Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say: “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things. Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Y-H-W-H.”
                    Jer 16:19-21
                    Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.

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                    • #85
                      Again...a test worth taking:

                      https://challies.typeform.com/to/I1ntTT

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
                        Again...a test worth taking:

                        https://challies.typeform.com/to/I1ntTT

                        AMR
                        Good little quiz with which you must be careful.
                        He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                        Jim Elliot

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                          The verse is referring to the Logos from John 1:1.
                          That's true and the Logos who was God became flesh and dwelt with his brethren. The Logos is identified as the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14 NKJV).

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
                            The Holy Spirit is the Fathers Spirit which begat Jesus.

                            and the Holy Spirit "as a third person" does not get a mention in the Bible.

                            1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

                            1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
                            1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
                            1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
                            1Co 1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
                            Now I see your problem.
                            So, what?

                            believe it!

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                              Does the scripture teach us that we must believe in the Trinity doctrine to be saved?
                              No, it does not.
                              Yes.

                              It does.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                                Yes.

                                It does.
                                Show him where!
                                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                                Jim Elliot

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