Hell's Daily Arrivals

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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Oct 30, 2015 @ 05:25 pm EST, the resident population in the United States was approximately 322,063,004 with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which translates to an average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths are under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of the current daily death rate of 7,200 per 24 hours are adults. Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,669 American adults transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 111 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Jesus Christ didn't really specify exact percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 55 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,669 condemned souls per 322,063,004 population: computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global population of 7,282,560,862 people, would suggest something like 60,352 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to approximately 2,515 souls every sixty minutes on the clock.

That rate would fill the 51,800 seats of the new Yankee Stadium to capacity in roughly 20 hours and 36 minutes. In other words: if the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 02:36 am tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

Christmas and New Year's are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2% higher.

Traditional Christianity's hell never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365 nonstop and indifferent to global warming, Wall Street crashes, massive layoffs, outsourcing, high school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes, nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and soil pollution, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened species, gasoline prices, student debt, GMO, trade deficits, protests, Federal debt, factory recalls, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, gay marriage, ObamaCare, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or the California drought.

If traditional Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the pits of hell in an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, In'n'Out Burger, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
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Totton Linnet

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He did not answer the question directly, he told the asker to mind what he himself was about.

The fact is you cain't help somebody onto the strait road until you yourself are on it. Like John Wesley, as soon as he found the road which leads to life he was out after the MULTITUDE who were on the broad road.

If the scripture is to be answered as you say how come John saw a multitude in heaven which no man could number?

According to your stats people can be numbered, but of the redeemed says John, no man could number them.
 

WeberHome

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If the scripture is to be answered as you say how come John saw a multitude
in heaven which no man could number? According to your stats people can
be numbered, but of the redeemed says John, no man could number
them.

†. Rev 7:9 . . I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no
one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing
before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes
and were holding palm branches in their hands.

A very similar idiom is used in the book of Genesis where God instructed
Abraham to: "look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able
to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."

The numbers I posted are not precise statistics; they're just rough hewn
estimates meant to impress upon viewers that not only are people going to
hell on a daily basis, but the amount of people going is a lot.

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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

Is that a problem?
 

WeberHome

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Is that a problem?

It's commonly believed that heaven is sort of like the peak of a high
mountain. All around the periphery of the mountain are numerous roads all
leading to the top. In other words: no matter which road you take; the
destination is the same.

But according to traditional Christianity; there aren't many roads to the top:
there's only one; all the rest are dead ends, loops, and cul-de-sacs. If
traditional Christianity is right; then an awful lot of people are facing a very
unpleasant future. For example, according to my sources, there are
approximately:

50 thousand Scientologists
15 million Mormons
8.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses
7.31 million Baha'i
483.8 million Buddhists
454.6 million Chinese Folk Religionists
6.4 million Confucianists
258.5 million Ethnic Religionists
935.5 million Hindus
5.7 million Jains
1.5 billion Muslims
1.8 million Orthodox Jews
64.2 million New Religionists
2.8 million Shintoists
24.2 million Sikhs
13.8 million Spiritists
8.8 million Taoists
640 million Non Religious
138.8 million Atheists

The grand total of just those categories is 4,569,460,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if traditional Christianity is the
truth; then at the least 63% of the earth's current population of 7.283 billion
people is on a road to hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know:
our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.

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Bradley D

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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls
haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

What do you mean by "responsible souls." Those that really are or claim to be so.
 

jamie

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But according to traditional Christianity; there aren't many roads to the top:

There are two, the first resurrection and the second resurrection. During this age many are called but few are chosen.

For example, Paul said, "For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called. (1 Corinthians 1:26 NKJV)

Why are they not called during this age?

Paul explains that God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty...
(1 Corinthians 1:27 NKJV)

The wise and mighty and noble will be in the second resurrection and the Book of Life will then be opened to them.
 

WeberHome

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What do you mean by "responsible souls." Those that really are or claim to
be so.

Of age vs underage, adults vs minors, children vs grownups.

I chose 19 as the cut-off age arbitrarily. It could be even older. For example:
20 was the age deemed old enough for Israel's males to be mustered for
war and included in a census (Num 1:2-3).

When God condemned Yhvh's people to reside an additional forty years in
the outback for refusing to enter Canaan when He wanted; the cut-off age
was again 20. (Num 14:27-35)

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Of age vs underage, adults vs minors, children vs grownups.

I chose 19 as the cut-off age arbitrarily. It could be even older. For example:
20 was the age deemed old enough for Israel's males to be mustered for
war and included in a census (Num 1:2-3).

When God condemned Yhvh's people to reside an additional forty years in
the outback for refusing to enter Canaan when He wanted; the cut-off age
was again 20. (Num 14:27-35)

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Very good, (imo) too bad no one seems to apply that meaning to dietous, (Matthew 2:16). :)

There are two, the first resurrection and the second resurrection. During this age many are called but few are chosen.

Very good, (imo) one out of ten lepers will be cleansed toward becoming whole.
But what if every leper has nine lepers with him in the walls of his house? :crackup:
 
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quip

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Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and
broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But
small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find
it.

Interesting, since an all-loving god could effortlessly provide just the opposite for his creation.

Or is this simply an appeal to one's spiritual exclusivity and pride? :think:
 

WeberHome

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Interesting, since an all-loving god could effortlessly provide just the
opposite for his creation. Or is this simply an appeal to one's spiritual
exclusivity and pride?

According to 1Tim 4:10 and 1John 2:2, Christ gave his life in order to pave
the way to safety for everybody; not just an elite caste. But for some odd
reason, which I have never been able to understand, Christ's Father has
restricted the benefit to believers only; and according to John 3:18,
disbelievers are shut out.

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...If traditional Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the pits of....

But perceptions of Jesus can only be interpretations. The gospel writers had their own personal interpretations, as did Paul in the 50s before them.

And the diversity and cacophony on TOL is further proof of this fact.

We don't always realize that what we call "Christianity" existed in a wide variety of forms and expressions. It was never theologically worked out until the order of the Roman Empire's Constantine in 325 ACE. But even so, every believer becomes what the original Baptists taught:

The "priesthood" of every believer.

We are (or should be) allowed our own interpretations of the interpretations of the Bible.
Things in the world always have to be interpreted through humans, and humankind is diverse.
 

WeberHome

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†. Matt 13:42 . . there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church; and was eventually
enrolled in catechism where I completed First Holy Communion and
Confirmation. Although catechism did a good job of instilling within me the
reality of hell's eternal fires; it wasn't until I saw a painting by Gustave Doré
depicting a scene from Dante Alighieri's Inferno that I realized the degree of
despair gripping the minds and hearts of people in hell.

People down there know it's permanent; that's what makes hell so much
worse than any other source of misery one can possibly imagine. If only they
could see a light at the end of the tunnel; but that's just it: there is no end
of the tunnel; it's like a Gerbil exercise wheel; within which the little rodents
get nowhere.

They say hope springs eternal in the human heart. Well; not down there.
No; down there hope is futile. The fires are bad enough; but it's the
permanence of hell that I would imagine hurts the most.

Netherworld Update: 3 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 181,056 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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patrick jane

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†. Matt 13:42 . . there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church; and was eventually
enrolled in catechism where I completed First Holy Communion and
Confirmation. Although catechism did a good job of instilling within me the
reality of hell's eternal fires; it wasn't until I saw a painting by Gustave Doré
depicting a scene from Dante Alighieri's Inferno that I realized the degree of
despair gripping the minds and hearts of people in hell.

People down there know it's permanent; that's what makes hell so much
worse than any other source of misery one can possibly imagine. If only they
could see a light at the end of the tunnel; but that's just it: there is no end
of the tunnel; it's like a Gerbil exercise wheel; within which running Gerbils
get nowhere.

They say hope springs eternal in the human heart. Well; not down there.
No; down there hope is futile. The fires are bad enough; but it's the
permanence of hell that I would imagine hurts the most.

Netherworld Update: 3 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 181,056 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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I find you preposterous for thinking that you can calculate how many people go to hell. It's a sick fantasy you must be having. What gives you authority to say how many go to hell each day ? These are all souls of people you're speculating on. Go to the horse races.
 

WeberHome

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I find you preposterous for thinking that you can calculate how many people
go to hell. It's a sick fantasy you must be having. What gives you authority
to say how many go to hell each day ? These are all souls of people you're
speculating on. Go to the horse races.

People are usually comfortable talking about hell just so long as it remains
an abstract concept in a bull session. But when someone comes along and
puts a face on hell; there's always a percentage that tends to get agitated.

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Zeke

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It's commonly believed that heaven is sort of like the peak of a high
mountain. All around the periphery of the mountain are numerous roads all
leading to the top. In other words: no matter which road you take; the
destination is the same.

But according to traditional Christianity; there aren't many roads to the top:
there's only one; all the rest are dead ends, loops, and cul-de-sacs. If
traditional Christianity is right; then an awful lot of people are facing a very
unpleasant future. For example, according to my sources, there are
approximately:

50 thousand Scientologists
15 million Mormons
8.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses
7.31 million Baha'i
483.8 million Buddhists
454.6 million Chinese Folk Religionists
6.4 million Confucianists
258.5 million Ethnic Religionists
935.5 million Hindus
5.7 million Jains
1.5 billion Muslims
1.8 million Orthodox Jews
64.2 million New Religionists
2.8 million Shintoists
24.2 million Sikhs
13.8 million Spiritists
8.8 million Taoists
640 million Non Religious
138.8 million Atheists

The grand total of just those categories is 4,569,460,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if traditional Christianity is the
truth; then at the least 63% of the earth's current population of 7.283 billion
people is on a road to hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know:
our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.

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All artificial personalities, that are temporal blind actors in this world of legal fiction. 2Cor 3:6, The God of the letter is the false one that breeds fear and confusion along with big dose of denial, perverting the inward journey into a historical sitcom, which is the real hell being spoke of by the dead letter, where the dead bury there dead.
 

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According to 1Tim 4:10 and 1John 2:2, Christ gave his life in order to pave
the way to safety for everybody; not just an elite caste. But for some odd
reason, which I have never been able to understand, Christ's Father has
restricted the benefit to believers only; and according to John 3:18,
disbelievers are shut out.

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The Bible was written by men, that is why it is contradictory. Fortunately, in the real world so called "traditional Christianity" is a mere shadow of the original gospel taught by Jesus.


One day the world will once again hear the original gospel of a mature, Loving heavenly father and this nonsense about a fiery hell and eternal torture will be called out for the childishness that it is.
 
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People are usually comfortable talking about hell just so long as it remains
an abstract concept in a bull session. But when someone comes along and
puts a face on hell; there's always a percentage that tends to get agitated.

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Who's to say you won't go to hell? What is the gospel of your salvation?
 

genuineoriginal

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It's commonly believed that heaven is sort of like the peak of a high
mountain. All around the periphery of the mountain are numerous roads all
leading to the top. In other words: no matter which road you take; the
destination is the same.
Where is this commonly believed and who are the people that commonly believe it?
It is likely these people that believe it are the very people that are on the wide way that lead to hell.

But according to traditional Christianity; there aren't many roads to the top:
there's only one; all the rest are dead ends, loops, and cul-de-sacs.
No, according to traditional Christianity, there are only two ways to go, and the way most people choose to go leads straight to hell.
There are no loops, cul-de-sacs, nor dead ends that will keep them from reaching the final destination.

If
traditional Christianity is right; then an awful lot of people are facing a very
unpleasant future.
Yes, that is true.

if traditional Christianity is the
truth; then at the least 63% of the earth's current population of 7.283 billion
people is on a road to hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know:
our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.
Yes.

So, what do you plan on doing about it?
 

WeberHome

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I sometimes wish there were tour buses to hell so people could see what's in
store for them down there; and not only the degree of suffering that people
can expect in the next life, but also hell's impact upon the human mind.

People have been filtering into perdition not only since the time of Christ,
but since before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even before the Flood. I
won't speculate how many years that might be, but h.sapiens is thought by
some to have achieved full behavioral modernity something like 50,000
years ago. Whether that extends clear on back to Adam and Eve I have no
clue; but just think: if it does, then Cain and others from his era have been
down in the netherworld all this time.

It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 50,000 years. I've been on the
Earth for just 71, and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to
me now as to seem more like a fantasy than a memory. But you know;
when you're talking about eternity, 50,000 years isn't even a drop in the
bucket. If it were a drop in the bucket, it would be a bucket with no bottom.

But just think: time stands still in hell: it's for the now; it's an existence.
People who arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail like
Lindsay Lohan expecting to get out some day; nor is perdition a temporary
tour of duty like shipping out to Afghanistan. No, people in hell are in it as
perpetual residents; they're in a rut.

They go year, after year, after year, after year, with no relief from the pain
and discomfort: no vacations, no recreation, no reading materials, and no
hobbies-- there's absolutely nothing to do but reminisce and writhe in fire.
The mental atrophy, and the boredom that must result from that kind of
mindless existence is beyond estimation.

In life, everybody enjoys God's blessings; even the really bad people. We're
all breathing fresh air, basking in sunshine, drinking cool water, savoring
tasty foods, listening to birds chirp, star gazing at night, throwing snow balls
at each other in winter, river rafting, fishing, snow skiing, tending gardens,
pruning shrubs, greeting friends during the holidays, spending days with
grandkids; and all that sort of thing. In the Bible's hell, there are no
blessings of any kind at all: only perpetual sadness, vexation, despair, and
want.

In hell's unruly society; it's reasonable to expect quarrels, bickering, hard
feelings, vendettas, rivalry, selfishness, insensitivity, irritation, aggravation,
and ugly words exchanged between people. Is there really any good reason
to be courteous and/or respect your fellow man's human rights in the Bible's
hell; or to be kind, forgiving, affable, genial, courteous, cordial, charitable,
altruistic, tolerant, generous, and patient? Can people in hell really be
expected to turn the other cheek? Don't count on it. Hell is a penal colony.

And the din: think of the volume of noise down there with all the wailing and
sobbing, and the screams, shrieks, yelps, howls, and gnashing teeth.
Conditions are really bad, and everyone is sad, blue, and lonely. After a few
years of the conditions I'm describing, I should think most folks break, and
go mad from the stress.

But just imagine bringing with you a craving for tobacco with none available.
Or longing for a cocktail with no liquor in sight. A desire for music, with no
way to produce it. A skill for writing, with no pen and paper. Yearning for a
walk out in nature, with no world to do it in.

People in the Bible's hell will never again smell a sea breeze, sit in the shade
of a tree, take deep breaths of mountain-fresh air, play at sports, hear a bird
chirp, see a sunset, watch a lunar eclipse, jog in the park, strum a guitar,
enjoy a Christmas dinner with loved ones; nor make little pigs of themselves
gobbling barbecued spare ribs and corn on the 4th of July.

Sports and recreation are gone: no more World Series, no more Super Bowl,
no more Olympics, no more Las Vegas, no more Indian casinos, no more
lottery, no more Lego World, no more Sea World, no more NASCAR, no more
golf, no more surfing, et al.

No baths, no showers, no sleep, no TV, no radio, no iPods, no computers, no
Twitter, no texting, no FaceBook, no Instagram,no YouTube, no MySpace, no
internet, no clean sheets, no breakfast, no lunch, and no dinner. No snacks,
no gum, no candy, no flowers, no parks, no rivers, no snow, no seasons, no
picnics, no malls, no fast food, no trades, no careers, no trendy fashions, no
jewelry, no cosmetics, no concerts, no operas, and no hobbies; absolutely
nothing of this world that brings people the pleasures and the satisfactions
of just being alive.

No pets are allowed in the Bible's hell and no flowers or vegetation of any
kind. The absence of birds, fish, and animals of course precludes the citizens
of hell ever again spending a day at the zoo. The one advantage of the lack
of pets and vegetation in hell is the absence of fleas and allergies. I suppose
you could say that's at least one good thing about it. There's a bright side to
everything I guess; even to that place.

Netherworld Update: 6 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 362,112 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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