Hell's Daily Arrivals

WeberHome

New member
-
Q: According to the Christians; it is a "must" to believe the Gospel in order
to be spared the wrath of God. How is that fair for peoples of the world who
were never afforded an opportunity to hear it?

A: There seems to be a number of Christians running around loose out there
unaware of a gospel called the everlasting gospel; which reads like this:

†. Rev 14:6-7 . . And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having
the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to
every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, announcing with a loud
voice: Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is
come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the
fountains of waters.

The everlasting gospel is very simple. Pretty much all it says is (1) be afraid,
(2) there's a supreme being, (3) there's a reckoning looming on the horizon,
and (4) the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the
product of intelligent design.

Giving "glory" to God simply indicates giving someone credit where credit is
due; and "worship" basically just simply means admiration.

It's quite natural to admire celebrities, pro athletes, and super achievers;
and to give them credit where credit is due; but not quite so natural to do
the same for their creator, Anyway, point being: you either believe in
intelligent design, or you don't. If you do believe, then you will admire both
the originator's genius and His handiwork. If you don't believe; you won't
admire either. Simple as that.

The everlasting gospel is interesting in that it isn't preached by humans;
rather, it's preached by nature itself whose pulpit is everywhere, and speaks
its message in every language known to man.

†. Ps 19:1-4 . .The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the
work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night
they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is
not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of
the world.

God allows no excuse for disbelieving the everlasting gospel.

†. Rom 1:18-21 . .The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness; because what may be known of God is manifest in them,
for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His
invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without
excuse.

It's humorous that when Europeans began invading the lands of North
America's native peoples, they thought it prudent to convert them to
Christianity. I really have to laugh at that because many of the peoples
whom the Europeans labeled "wild men" were already believing the
everlasting gospel centuries before the Europeans even dared to attempt
crossing the Atlantic ocean.

Can belief in the everlasting gospel save wild men? Of course it can or why
would the angel of Rev 14:6-7 bother to fly around the world heralding it?
I'll tell you one thing: there is far more hope for a pre-Columbus Iroquois
than there is for a space-age atheist familiar with the book of Genesis, and
heard the gospel of Christ as per Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and
brushed it all off as musty old myths and fantasy underserving of their
attention.

Netherworld Update: 95 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 5,733,440 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=
 

WeberHome

New member
-
It's commonly believed that heaven is sort of like the peak of a high
mountain. All around the periphery of the mountain are numerous roads all
leading to the top. In other words: no matter which road you take; the
destination is the same.

But according to traditional Christianity; there aren't many roads to the top:
there's only one; all the rest are dead ends, loops, and cul-de-sacs.

If traditional Christianity is right; then an awful lot of people are facing a
very unpleasant future. For example, according to my sources, there are
approximately:


50 thousand Scientologists
15 million Mormons
8.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses
7.31 million Baha'i
483.8 million Buddhists
454.6 million Chinese Folk Religionists
6.4 million Confucianists
258.5 million Ethnic Religionists
935.5 million Hindus
5.7 million Jains
1.5 billion Muslims
1.8 million Orthodox Jews
64.2 million New Religionists
2.8 million Shintoists
24.2 million Sikhs
13.8 million Spiritists
8.8 million Taoists
640 million Non Religious
138.8 million Atheists

The grand total of just those categories is 4,569,460,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if normal Christianity is the truth;
then at the least 63% of the earth's current population of 7.30 billion people
are on a road to hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our
friends, our relatives, and our associates.

Netherworld Update: 98 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 5,914,496 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=
 

Mark M

New member
-
It's commonly believed that heaven is sort of like the peak of a high
mountain. All around the periphery of the mountain are numerous roads all
leading to the top. In other words: no matter which road you take; the
destination is the same.

But according to traditional Christianity; there aren't many roads to the top:
there's only one; all the rest are dead ends, loops, and cul-de-sacs.

If traditional Christianity is right; then an awful lot of people are facing a
very unpleasant future. For example, according to my sources, there are
approximately:


50 thousand Scientologists
15 million Mormons
8.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses
7.31 million Baha'i
483.8 million Buddhists
454.6 million Chinese Folk Religionists
6.4 million Confucianists
258.5 million Ethnic Religionists
935.5 million Hindus
5.7 million Jains
1.5 billion Muslims
1.8 million Orthodox Jews
64.2 million New Religionists
2.8 million Shintoists
24.2 million Sikhs
13.8 million Spiritists
8.8 million Taoists
640 million Non Religious
138.8 million Atheists

The grand total of just those categories is 4,569,460,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if normal Christianity is the truth;
then at the least 63% of the earth's current population of 7.30 billion people
are on a road to hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our
friends, our relatives, and our associates.

Netherworld Update: 98 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 5,914,496 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=

Where's the Christians on your list?
 

WeberHome

New member
Where's the Christians on your list?

Webster's defines a Christian as: one who professes belief in the teachings
of Jesus Christ.

Off hand; I'd say that Webster's definition qualifies Mormons and Jehovah's
witnesses as Christians. Some might even go so far as to say it qualifies
Buddhists too because according to Webster's, it isn't necessary to practice
Jesus Christ's teachings; only to profess belief in them.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 

Zeke

Well-known member
The surname is Lord of them all, Seeing it's all a artificial land of labels that imprison you along with those you condemn, preventing you from gathering all things in Christ which is still knocking seeing He is the conscience light within every one that came into this world.
 

Mark M

New member
Webster's defines a Christian as: one who professes belief in the teachings
of Jesus Christ.

Off hand; I'd say that Webster's definition qualifies Mormons and Jehovah's
witnesses as Christians. Some might even go so far as to say it qualifies
Buddhists too because according to Webster's, it isn't necessary to practice
Jesus Christ's teachings; only to profess belief in them.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I understand the Jehova and Mormon believe in Jesus but you still left Christians off, and some professed Christians go to hell also. that skews your numbers. Do Buddhists believe Jesus Christ is the Saviour and the Son of God ?
 

WeberHome

New member
I understand the Jehova and Mormon believe in Jesus but you still left
Christians off, and some professed Christians go to hell also.
The list in post #142 does not tally the current number of people going to
hell; it only tallies the current number of people on a road to hell. Those
numbers of course are not set in concrete seeing as how it is not unusual for
people on that list to convert to traditional Christianity before they pass
away.

Traditional Christians per se are on a road to heaven. As to whether they all
make it or not remains to be seen.

Do Buddhists believe Jesus Christ is the Saviour and the Son of God?
Some might even go so far as to say they do.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 

WeberHome

New member
-
Netherworld Update: 115 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 6,940,480 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=
 

WeberHome

New member
Re: Hell's Daily Arrivals

-
It's sometimes proposed that Noah could have jumped off the Ark had he been inclined. Well; I seriously doubt that Noah would have done something so foolhardy. But no matter, because according to Gen 7:16, he was shut in.

The Lord not only shut him in, but sealed him in too. The hatch to hull mating surfaces had to be waterproofed with bitumen the same as all the rest of the hull. (Gen 6:14)

The Hebrew word for "shut" actually means to shut up; like as when a corral gate is closed to pen livestock and/or the door of a jail cell is locked to confine a convict. In other words, Noah was trapped inside the Ark by a door that could be opened only from the outside. That's interesting. It means that once the Ark's door was sealed, Noah's free will no longer mattered; it was trumped by the free will of a higher power; and were he, or anybody else inside, to change their mind about going, it was too late.

Rev 1:9-18 . . I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

. . . I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

. . .When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living one; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

Rev 3:7 . . What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

Netherworld Update: 669 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 40,375,488 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

NOTE: That number surpasses the combined population of the states of California and Rhode Island.

/
 

jamie

New member
LIFETIME MEMBER
"The sea gave up the dead who were in it and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works." (Revelation 20:13)

According to their works at that time. Sins in their previous life were paid for.
 

WeberHome

New member
Re: Hell's Daily Arrivals

-
I applied to the US Army right out of high school but was turned down because I had a police record; which stated that I was suspected of gasoline theft. I was never arrested, nor brought to trial, nor convicted; but on the books the case was still open, implying that the investigation was ongoing. (The police's case was eventually dropped so I could join the Army.)

It's true that Jesus Christ went to the cross for everybody's sins (1John 2:2). However, his crucifixion removed no one's sins from the books to be used against them later on at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15. His crucifixion has made it possible for people to get their records wiped; but that's as far as it goes; i.e. only possible.

It's essential that people get their records wiped so that on the books it appears they have never been anything but 100% innocent or they won't be allowed in heaven. Of course God knows all about everybody, but if there is nothing on the books with which to accuse people, then He has to declare them acquitted or they will have no hope whatsoever of getting into heaven just as I had no hope whatsoever of getting into the Army until the police's case against me was dropped.

Now; the million dollar question is: How do people, for whom Christ died, go about taking advantage of the opportunity that his crucifixion has made possible? How do they go about getting God's case against them dropped? In other words; How do they go about getting the record of their sins wiped?

The answer to that question is extremely crucial because even though Christ died for everybody, not everybody is going to heaven; and there's a very good reason why.

/
 
Last edited:

jamie

New member
LIFETIME MEMBER
Now; the million dollar question is: How do people, for whom Christ died, go about taking advantage of the opportunity that his crucifixion has made possible? How do they go about getting God's case against them closed? In other words; How do they go about getting the record of their sins wiped?

It's simple. Peter said, "Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
 

WeberHome

New member
-
It's simple. Peter said, "Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)

If it were really that simple, then nobody baptized like that would go to hell; not even Jehovah's Witnesses.

/
 

jamie

New member
LIFETIME MEMBER
If it were really that simple, then nobody baptized like that would go to hell; not even Jehovah's Witnesses.

The word "hell" refers to the grave. Humans are mortal and it has been appointed for each person to die once.

"And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment" (Hebrews 9:27)

Even Jesus died once and went to hell.

We can't be judged until after we die, which pays for sin.
 

jamie

New member
LIFETIME MEMBER
According to Romans 5:12-17, the first death can't be used to satisfy justice for one's own personal sins because it's ear-marked for Adam's.

Yes, Adam was the second human to sin, so what?

"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." (Ezekiel 18:20)

Jesus Christ is the only one who can pay for the sin of someone else.

He can do that because he is the Creator of humans.
 

WeberHome

New member
-
Adam was the second human to sin, so what?

Don't be flippant. This is a very serious matter. Romans 5:12-17 is explicit that God reckons Adam's posterity as joint principals in his act of disobedience. That's the way God wants it; and the information is in the Bible for you to know, not to oppose.


"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." (Ezekiel 18:20)

Adam broke God's command prior to the introduction of all the other divine commands in the Bible. Therefore, seeing as how God's laws do not apply ex post facto (Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17) then Ezekiel's prophecy came along too late to prevent God from laying Adam's guilt upon his entire posterity.

So then, just as Adam had to die for disobeying God by eating the forbidden fruit, so does everyone else.

The good news is: the forbidden fruit incident wasn't a sin unto hell; it's only a sin unto the first death; so people needn't be too concerned about it.

/
 

WeberHome

New member
Re: Hell's Daily Arrivals

-
1John 1:9 . . If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Forgiveness isn't a cure; viz: forgiven alcoholics and LGBT go right on as alcoholics and LGBT just like always and were they to attempt to suppress their desires throughout eternity, I think they would eventually go mad with a nervous breakdown because they would be fighting against nature; which everybody instinctively knows is a fight that can't be won without suffering serious psychological consequences.

So then, it's futile to tell alcoholics and LGBT to stop giving in to their desires if they want to get to heaven and stay in heaven because that's not a viable, long-range solution to their problem. The problem is not their conduct; no, their conduct is merely a symptom; and as every informed person knows: you don't treat an illness by treating its symptoms-- that method has been proven ineffective.

God's remedy for alcoholics and LGBT is radical, to say the least; but it's the only way He can get them into heaven so they can stay in heaven.

First off: He doesn't remove their longings and desires; instead God regards their natural-born condition as so far gone that it can't be treated. In other words: God throws the baby out with the bath water, so to speak, and starts from scratch with a new baby.

John 3:3 . . I tell you the truth: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.

The birth about which Christ spoke isn't an option; no, it's a must.

John 3:7 . .You must be born again.

That goes for everybody, not just alcoholics and LGBT, because Christ said "no one" can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again; which of course has to include all the holy people in the Old Testament too or otherwise the words "no one" are just hot air and serve no useful purpose.

Netherworld Update: 672 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 40,556,544 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

/
 
Top