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  • #16
    Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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    It's commonly believed that heaven is sort of like the peak of a high
    mountain. All around the periphery of the mountain are numerous roads all
    leading to the top. In other words: no matter which road you take; the
    destination is the same.

    But according to traditional Christianity; there aren't many roads to the top:
    there's only one; all the rest are dead ends, loops, and cul-de-sacs. If
    traditional Christianity is right; then an awful lot of people are facing a very
    unpleasant future. For example, according to my sources, there are
    approximately:

    50 thousand Scientologists
    15 million Mormons
    8.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses
    7.31 million Baha'i
    483.8 million Buddhists
    454.6 million Chinese Folk Religionists
    6.4 million Confucianists
    258.5 million Ethnic Religionists
    935.5 million Hindus
    5.7 million Jains
    1.5 billion Muslims
    1.8 million Orthodox Jews
    64.2 million New Religionists
    2.8 million Shintoists
    24.2 million Sikhs
    13.8 million Spiritists
    8.8 million Taoists
    640 million Non Religious
    138.8 million Atheists

    The grand total of just those categories is 4,569,460,000

    If those figures are in the ball park, and if traditional Christianity is the
    truth; then at the least 63% of the earth's current population of 7.283 billion
    people is on a road to hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know:
    our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.

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    All artificial personalities, that are temporal blind actors in this world of legal fiction. 2Cor 3:6, The God of the letter is the false one that breeds fear and confusion along with big dose of denial, perverting the inward journey into a historical sitcom, which is the real hell being spoke of by the dead letter, where the dead bury there dead.
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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      According to 1Tim 4:10 and 1John 2:2, Christ gave his life in order to pave
      the way to safety for everybody; not just an elite caste. But for some odd
      reason, which I have never been able to understand, Christ's Father has
      restricted the benefit to believers only; and according to John 3:18,
      disbelievers are shut out.

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      The Bible was written by men, that is why it is contradictory. Fortunately, in the real world so called "traditional Christianity" is a mere shadow of the original gospel taught by Jesus.


      One day the world will once again hear the original gospel of a mature, Loving heavenly father and this nonsense about a fiery hell and eternal torture will be called out for the childishness that it is.
      Last edited by Caino; November 4th, 2015, 04:46 AM.

      "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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      • #18
        Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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        People are usually comfortable talking about hell just so long as it remains
        an abstract concept in a bull session. But when someone comes along and
        puts a face on hell; there's always a percentage that tends to get agitated.

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        Who's to say you won't go to hell? What is the gospel of your salvation?
        2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

        Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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          It's commonly believed that heaven is sort of like the peak of a high
          mountain. All around the periphery of the mountain are numerous roads all
          leading to the top. In other words: no matter which road you take; the
          destination is the same.
          Where is this commonly believed and who are the people that commonly believe it?
          It is likely these people that believe it are the very people that are on the wide way that lead to hell.

          Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
          But according to traditional Christianity; there aren't many roads to the top:
          there's only one; all the rest are dead ends, loops, and cul-de-sacs.
          No, according to traditional Christianity, there are only two ways to go, and the way most people choose to go leads straight to hell.
          There are no loops, cul-de-sacs, nor dead ends that will keep them from reaching the final destination.

          Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
          If
          traditional Christianity is right; then an awful lot of people are facing a very
          unpleasant future.
          Yes, that is true.

          Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
          if traditional Christianity is the
          truth; then at the least 63% of the earth's current population of 7.283 billion
          people is on a road to hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know:
          our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.
          Yes.

          So, what do you plan on doing about it?
          Learn to read what is written.

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          The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
          ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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          • #20
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            I sometimes wish there were tour buses to hell so people could see what's in
            store for them down there; and not only the degree of suffering that people
            can expect in the next life, but also hell's impact upon the human mind.

            People have been filtering into perdition not only since the time of Christ,
            but since before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even before the Flood. I
            won't speculate how many years that might be, but h.sapiens is thought by
            some to have achieved full behavioral modernity something like 50,000
            years ago. Whether that extends clear on back to Adam and Eve I have no
            clue; but just think: if it does, then Cain and others from his era have been
            down in the netherworld all this time.

            It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 50,000 years. I've been on the
            Earth for just 71, and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to
            me now as to seem more like a fantasy than a memory. But you know;
            when you're talking about eternity, 50,000 years isn't even a drop in the
            bucket. If it were a drop in the bucket, it would be a bucket with no bottom.

            But just think: time stands still in hell: it's for the now; it's an existence.
            People who arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail like
            Lindsay Lohan expecting to get out some day; nor is perdition a temporary
            tour of duty like shipping out to Afghanistan. No, people in hell are in it as
            perpetual residents; they're in a rut.

            They go year, after year, after year, after year, with no relief from the pain
            and discomfort: no vacations, no recreation, no reading materials, and no
            hobbies-- there's absolutely nothing to do but reminisce and writhe in fire.
            The mental atrophy, and the boredom that must result from that kind of
            mindless existence is beyond estimation.

            In life, everybody enjoys God's blessings; even the really bad people. We're
            all breathing fresh air, basking in sunshine, drinking cool water, savoring
            tasty foods, listening to birds chirp, star gazing at night, throwing snow balls
            at each other in winter, river rafting, fishing, snow skiing, tending gardens,
            pruning shrubs, greeting friends during the holidays, spending days with
            grandkids; and all that sort of thing. In the Bible's hell, there are no
            blessings of any kind at all: only perpetual sadness, vexation, despair, and
            want.

            In hell's unruly society; it's reasonable to expect quarrels, bickering, hard
            feelings, vendettas, rivalry, selfishness, insensitivity, irritation, aggravation,
            and ugly words exchanged between people. Is there really any good reason
            to be courteous and/or respect your fellow man's human rights in the Bible's
            hell; or to be kind, forgiving, affable, genial, courteous, cordial, charitable,
            altruistic, tolerant, generous, and patient? Can people in hell really be
            expected to turn the other cheek? Don't count on it. Hell is a penal colony.

            And the din: think of the volume of noise down there with all the wailing and
            sobbing, and the screams, shrieks, yelps, howls, and gnashing teeth.
            Conditions are really bad, and everyone is sad, blue, and lonely. After a few
            years of the conditions I'm describing, I should think most folks break, and
            go mad from the stress.

            But just imagine bringing with you a craving for tobacco with none available.
            Or longing for a cocktail with no liquor in sight. A desire for music, with no
            way to produce it. A skill for writing, with no pen and paper. Yearning for a
            walk out in nature, with no world to do it in.

            People in the Bible's hell will never again smell a sea breeze, sit in the shade
            of a tree, take deep breaths of mountain-fresh air, play at sports, hear a bird
            chirp, see a sunset, watch a lunar eclipse, jog in the park, strum a guitar,
            enjoy a Christmas dinner with loved ones; nor make little pigs of themselves
            gobbling barbecued spare ribs and corn on the 4th of July.

            Sports and recreation are gone: no more World Series, no more Super Bowl,
            no more Olympics, no more Las Vegas, no more Indian casinos, no more
            lottery, no more Lego World, no more Sea World, no more NASCAR, no more
            golf, no more surfing, et al.

            No baths, no showers, no sleep, no TV, no radio, no iPods, no computers, no
            Twitter, no texting, no FaceBook, no Instagram,no YouTube, no MySpace, no
            internet, no clean sheets, no breakfast, no lunch, and no dinner. No snacks,
            no gum, no candy, no flowers, no parks, no rivers, no snow, no seasons, no
            picnics, no malls, no fast food, no trades, no careers, no trendy fashions, no
            jewelry, no cosmetics, no concerts, no operas, and no hobbies; absolutely
            nothing of this world that brings people the pleasures and the satisfactions
            of just being alive.

            No pets are allowed in the Bible's hell and no flowers or vegetation of any
            kind. The absence of birds, fish, and animals of course precludes the citizens
            of hell ever again spending a day at the zoo. The one advantage of the lack
            of pets and vegetation in hell is the absence of fleas and allergies. I suppose
            you could say that's at least one good thing about it. There's a bright side to
            everything I guess; even to that place.

            Netherworld Update: 6 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
            figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 362,112 new
            arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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              People are usually comfortable talking about hell just so long as it remains
              an abstract concept in a bull session. But when someone comes along and
              puts a face on hell; there's always a percentage that tends to get agitated.

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              you think many will respond positively to such a negative presentation?
              a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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              • #22
                Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
                Netherworld Update: 6 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
                figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 362,112 new
                arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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                Is that why you are here? To figure a head count? Where's your good news?
                2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

                Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
                  People have been filtering into perdition not only since the time of Christ,
                  but since before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even before the Flood. I
                  won't speculate how many years that might be, but h.sapiens is thought by
                  some to have achieved full behavioral modernity something like 50,000
                  years ago. Whether that extends clear on back to Adam and Eve I have no
                  clue; but just think: if it does, then Cain and others from his era have been
                  down in the netherworld all this time.
                  If you think the Bible is wrong about Adam and Eve being created 6000 years ago, then you have no basis for belief in perdition and the netherworld.
                  Learn to read what is written.

                  _____
                  The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                  ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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                    People are usually comfortable talking about hell just so long as it remains
                    an abstract concept in a bull session. But when someone comes along and
                    puts a face on hell; there's always a percentage that tends to get agitated.

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                    are these folks going to hell ?






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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by heir View Post
                      Is that why you are here? To figure a head count?
                      A head count is germane to a thread whose topic is hell's daily arrivals.

                      Originally posted by heir View Post
                      Where's your good news?
                      There's no fleas and allergies in hell due to the absence of pets and vegetation.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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                        A head count is germane to a thread whose topic is hell's daily arrivals.



                        There's no fleas and allergies in hell due to the absence of pets and vegetation.

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                        With that logic, couldn't we assume that folks get used to hell just like we accept and adjust to whatever happens in our lives on earth. Wouldn't they get used to the heat and the same routine for eternity. After all, there's no hope of getting out.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by WeberHome View Post

                          Netherworld Update: 6 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
                          figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 362,112 new
                          arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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                          How many sectors are there ? Are there unfiery parts ?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                            With that logic, couldn't we assume that folks get used to hell just like we accept and adjust to whatever happens in our lives on earth. Wouldn't they get used to the heat and the same routine for eternity. After all, there's no hope of getting out.
                            Spiritual bodies are not subject to physical elements such as heat or fire.

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                            • #29
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                              Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                              couldn't we assume that folks get used to hell just like we accept and adjust
                              to whatever happens in our lives on earth. Wouldn't they get used to the
                              heat and the same routine for eternity.
                              That's an interesting thought.

                              Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                              How many sectors are there? Are there unfiery parts?
                              A common Greek word for hell in the New Testament is haides (hah'-dace)
                              a.k.a. hades. It's a catch-all word for the unseen world where at one time all
                              the dead went: the good dead and the bad dead.

                              Christ was in a section of haides (Acts 2:25-31) which he labeled paradise
                              (Luke 23:42). The rich man's section is not a paradise. (Luke 16:19-31)

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                              Last edited by WeberHome; November 5th, 2015, 11:17 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
                                I sometimes wish there were tour buses to hell so people could see what's in store for them down there; and not only the degree of suffering that people can expect in the next life, but also hell's impact upon the human mind.
                                Jesus addressed this in Luke 16 in the story of the rich man and Lazarus. People won't repent even if someone were to come from Hell and preach to them about the torments.

                                27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family,
                                28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
                                29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
                                30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
                                31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
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