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  • #61
    Originally posted by freelight View Post
    You are apparently quite 'ignorant' of the content, vision, purpose and context of the Urantia Papers. Such ignorance is unnecessary, especially when ample has been provided for one to do their own research and reading of the Papers themselves. Educate yourself.
    Anyone who simply reads The Bible through once could be far better educated than yourself.

    2 Timothy 4:1-4

    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    Your 'education' is only in the realm of fables. You're walking in complete darkness, and calling it: "Light."

    Seriously, you should be reading Squeaky's threads. No one takes him seriously, because he's invented all types of new imaginary doctrine based on his 'revelations' from God. They're all pure fiction; but you could follow him, along with all your other false religions. They're all fictitious. What difference does it make?
    "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

    If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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    • #62
      Originally posted by freelight View Post
      You are apparently quite 'ignorant' of the content, vision, purpose and context of the Urantia Papers. Such ignorance is unnecessary, especially when ample has been provided for one to do their own research and reading of the Papers themselves. Educate yourself.

      The Urantia Book Fellowship

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      pj
      Rudolph Steiner would disagree with you. Though I'm not an Anthropoligist, Steiner often makes a lot of sense.

      He divided Satan into Lucifer and Ahriman. Where Lucifer pulls man into imagination, Ahriman pulls Man into materialism. The Christ influence is the reality between them that balances Man's quality of being allowing man to reach his "being" potential.

      From what I know of UB it is Luciferic like a lot of New Age thought. In other words, though it has truth in it, its attraction just increases man's imagination at the expense of Man's potential for consciousness which begins with the recognition of man's nothingness as the "wretched man."

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      • #63
        learn before presuming..............

        Originally posted by Nick_A View Post

        From what I know of UB it is Luciferic like a lot of New Age thought.
        Perhaps you would need to read the Papers themselves to get a better understanding instead of presuming.

        The 'Lucifer Rebellion' is explained in great detail actually, the psychology involved and the great restorative work towards man unfolding his true potential. The entire revelation has the premise of man's progressive evolutionary ascent towards divine perfect as the Master instructed - "be ye perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect (thru love)".

        In other words, though it has truth in it, its attraction just increases man's imagination at the expense of Man's potential for consciousness which begins with the recognition of man's nothingness as the "wretched man."
        The Papers speak for themselves, plus ample extensions of Jesus teachings paraphrased and expanded in Part 4.

        Concepts of self-pity and loathing as a "wrethed man", engrossed from teachings of 'original sin', depravity, etc. do not necessarily elevate or uplift the consciousness of man, but further degrade him when these concepts are further complicated by ignorant theology.
        Also, the Papers do not accept the primitive ideas of 'vicarious atonement' or 'redemption thru the shedding of blood' to merit God's loving favor, since the Father is Love itself, providing salvation for all who will do His will, and enter into that grace-provision by faith and progressive knowledge.

        Atonement without blood





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        • #64
          Jesus was Liberal and quite "new age" for his time.

          The people who sought to stop Jesus and thought they had killed him and his message made the same satanic accusations.

          NIV

          22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, "Could this be the Son of David?"

          24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."

          25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

          Caino

          "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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          • #65
            At FZ: Every time I come across a weird, crazy belief like the above, I always think of that particular song.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Caino View Post
              Jesus was Liberal and quite "new age" for his time.
              Indeed, He was, but your so-called New Age movement, and especially the Urantia Book, are incredibly OLD AGE. They're the same lie that was told in the garden at Eden, re-decorated. "Hath God said..." doesn't work today any more than it did then... it's still a lie.
              The people who sought to stop Jesus and thought they had killed him and his message made the same satanic accusations.
              But the souce of Jesus' Words was Heaven, unlike the UB, which contradicts The Words The Lord spoke. Trying to get you to realize that demons brought us the UB by the witchcraft of Mr. Kellogg. Hello.
              "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

              If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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              • #67
                Originally posted by freelight View Post
                Perhaps you would need to read the Papers themselves to get a better understanding instead of presuming.

                The 'Lucifer Rebellion' is explained in great detail actually, the psychology involved and the great restorative work towards man unfolding his true potential. The entire revelation has the premise of man's progressive evolutionary ascent towards divine perfect as the Master instructed - "be ye perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect (thru love)".



                The Papers speak for themselves, plus ample extensions of Jesus teachings paraphrased and expanded in Part 4.

                Concepts of self-pity and loathing as a "wrethed man", engrossed from teachings of 'original sin', depravity, etc. do not necessarily elevate or uplift the consciousness of man, but further degrade him when these concepts are further complicated by ignorant theology.
                Also, the Papers do not accept the primitive ideas of 'vicarious atonement' or 'redemption thru the shedding of blood' to merit God's loving favor, since the Father is Love itself, providing salvation for all who will do His will, and enter into that grace-provision by faith and progressive knowledge.

                Atonement without blood





                pj
                Recognition of oneself as the "wretched man" is neither a reflection of self loathing or self pity but just the experiential recognition of the human condition within oneself.

                If a person wants to play piano because they are attracted to the music, they don't hate themselves because they can't play but rather accept the fact that they cannot and begin to practice.

                Where a person can hear that they cnnot play, we lack the consciousness necessary to reveal both the human condition and human potential

                "Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace

                We lack the inner unity to participate in Man's calling for conscious evolution and the conscious attention to develop it so instead prefer imagination.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Nick_A View Post
                  If a person wants to play piano because they are attracted to the music...
                  Bad word choice.

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                  • #69
                    UB Introduction....

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                    UB and UBtheNEWS Introduction


                    UBtheNEWS keeps up on correlating science and latest discoveries confirming aspects of the revelation as they appear in time. The UB's cosmology is primarily one of 'theistic evolution'.



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                    • #70
                      Theistic evolution.
                      "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

                      If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Traditio View Post
                        At FZ: Every time I come across a weird, crazy belief like the above, I always think of that particular song.
                        ... and well you should ... that was the point and purpose of the song. I mean, have you studied Scientology?

                        Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
                          ... and well you should ... that was the point and purpose of the song. I mean, have you studied Scientology?

                          Is he broke, dead, and brainwashed? If not then he hasn't "studied" Scientology. But for the sake of hilarity:

                          What Scientologists Actually Believe
                          Calvin: (after a long pause) I can’t tell if that’s funny or really scary.
                          Anti-Death

                          2024 Life by Delmar: Homosexuality legal in all states; Government healthcare with abortion; Outlawing Bible by broadcast by hate crime laws

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                          • #73
                            "sanguine" Adam!...

                            Here in Aussie apples are seasonal
                            Feb March April & May,
                            leaving the rest of the year free from temptation!!!


                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTACN...layer_embedded

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                            • #74
                              Hi Charity,

                              Pack a small snack and take some time to consider the UB explanation for how and why the convoluted Genesis account remains as the so called "word of God".

                              The creation story in Genesis, fact and fiction.


                              Adam and Eve, a material son and daughter arrived on our previously populated, evolved planet roughly 40,000 years ago.
                              * The beast was already present and had already embraced evil, he worked against Gods plan for Adam and Eve.
                              * Adam and Eve were full grown, educated in Gods mandate and spoke the same language as the Beast.
                              * Proof that the earth was previously populated can be found in Genesis itself; Cain finds a wife in the "land of Nod" (Nodidtes) as well as a city. Cain is also given a mark (spiritual rebirth) "lest anyone who find him kill him"

                              Caino


                              74.8.9 The Hebrews had no written language in general usage for a long time after they reached Palestine. They learned the use of an alphabet from the neighboring Philistines, who were political refugees from the higher civilization of Crete. The Hebrews did little writing until about 900 B.C., and having no written language until such a late date, they had several different stories of creation in circulation, but after the Babylonian captivity they inclined more toward accepting a modified Mesopotamian version.

                              8. THE LEGEND OF CREATION

                              74:8.1 The story of the creation of Urantia in six days was based on the tradition that Adam and Eve had spent just six days in their initial survey of the Garden. This circumstance lent almost sacred sanction to the time period of the week, which had been originally introduced by the Dalamatians. Adam's spending six days inspecting the Garden and formulating preliminary plans for organization was not prearranged; it was worked out from day to day. The choosing of the seventh day for worship was wholly incidental to the facts herewith narrated.

                              74:8.2 The legend of the making of the world in six days was an afterthought, in fact, more than thirty thousand years afterwards. One feature of the narrative, the sudden appearance of the sun and moon, may have taken origin in the traditions of the onetime sudden emergence of the world from a dense space cloud of minute matter which had long obscured both sun and moon.

                              74:8.3 The story of creating Eve out of Adam's rib is a confused condensation of the Adamic arrival and the celestial surgery connected with the interchange of living substances associated with the coming of the corporeal staff of the Planetary Prince more than four hundred and fifty thousand years previously.

                              74:8.4 The majority of the world's peoples have been influenced by the tradition that Adam and Eve had physical forms created for them upon their arrival on Urantia. The belief in man's having been created from clay was well-nigh universal in the Eastern Hemisphere; this tradition can be traced from the Philippine Islands around the world to Africa. And many groups accepted this story of man's clay origin by some form of special creation in the place of the earlier beliefs in progressive creation—evolution.

                              74:8.5 Away from the influences of Dalamatia and Eden, mankind tended toward the belief in the gradual ascent of the human race. The fact of evolution is not a modern discovery; the ancients understood the slow and evolutionary character of human progress. The early Greeks had clear ideas of this despite their proximity to Mesopotamia. Although the various races of earth became sadly mixed up in their notions of evolution, nevertheless, many of the primitive tribes believed and taught that they were the descendants of various animals. Primitive peoples made a practice of selecting for their "totems" the animals of their supposed ancestry. Certain North American Indian tribes believed they originated from beavers and coyotes. Certain African tribes teach that they are descended from the hyena, a Malay tribe from the lemur, a New Guinea group from the parrot.

                              74:8.6 The Babylonians, because of immediate contact with the remnants of the civilization of the Adamites, enlarged and embellished the story of man's creation; they taught that he had descended directly from the gods. They held to an aristocratic origin for the race which was incompatible with even the doctrine of creation out of clay.

                              74:8.7 The Old Testament account of creation dates from long after the time of Moses; he never taught the Hebrews such a distorted story. But he did present a simple and condensed narrative of creation to the Israelite, hoping thereby to augment his appeal to worship the Creator, the Universal Father, whom he called the Lord God of Israel.

                              74:8.8 In his early teachings, Moses very wisely did not attempt to go back of Adam's time, and since Moses was the supreme teacher of the Hebrews, the stories of Adam became intimately associated with those of creation. That the earlier traditions recognized pre-Adamic civilization is clearly shown by the fact that later editors, intending to eradicate all reference to human affairs before Adam's time, neglected to remove the telltale reference to Cain's emigration to the "land of Nod," where he took himself a wife.

                              74:8.9 The Hebrews had no written language in general usage for a long time after they reached Palestine. They learned the use of an alphabet from the neighboring Philistines, who were political refugees from the higher civilization of Crete. The Hebrews did little writing until about 900 B.C., and having no written language until such a late date, they had several different stories of creation in circulation, but after the Babylonian captivity they inclined more toward accepting a modified Mesopotamian version.

                              74:8.10 Jewish tradition became crystallized about Moses, and because he endeavored to trace the lineage of Abraham back to Adam, the Jews assumed that Adam was the first of all mankind. Yahweh was the creator, and since Adam was supposed to be the first man, he must have made the world just prior to making Adam. And then the tradition of Adam's six days got woven into the story, with the result that almost a thousand years after Moses' sojourn on earth the tradition of creation in six days was written out and subsequently credited to him.

                              74:8.11 When the Jewish priests returned to Jerusalem, they had already completed the writing of their narrative of the beginning of things. Soon they made claims that this recital was a recently discovered story of creation written by Moses. But the contemporary Hebrews of around 500 B.C. did not consider these writings to be divine revelations; they looked upon them much as later peoples regard mythological narratives.

                              74:8.12 This spurious document, reputed to be the teachings of Moses, was brought to the attention of Ptolemy, the Greek king of Egypt, who had it translated into Greek by a commission of seventy scholars for his new library at Alexandria. And so this account found its place among those writings which subsequently became a part of the later collections of the "sacred scriptures" of the Hebrew and Christian religions. And through identification with these theological systems, such concepts for a long time profoundly influenced the philosophy of many Occidental peoples.

                              74:8.13 The Christian teachers perpetuated the belief in the fiat creation of the human race, and all this led directly to the formation of the hypothesis of a onetime golden age of utopian bliss and the theory of the fall of man or superman which accounted for the nonutopian condition of society. These outlooks on life and man's place in the universe were at best discouraging since they were predicated upon a belief in retrogression rather than progression, as well as implying a vengeful Deity, who had vented wrath upon the human race in retribution for the errors of certain onetime planetary administrators.

                              74:8.14 The "golden age" is a myth, but Eden was a fact, and the Garden civilization was actually overthrown. Adam and Eve carried on in the Garden for one hundred and seventeen years when, through the impatience of Eve and the errors of judgment of Adam, they presumed to turn aside from the ordained way, speedily bringing disaster upon themselves and ruinous retardation upon the developmental progression of all Urantia.



                              74.8.11 When the Jewish priests returned to Jerusalem, they had already completed the writing of their narrative of the beginning of things. Soon they made claims that this recital was a recently discovered story of creation written by Moses. But the contemporary Hebrews of around 500 B.C. did not consider these writings to be divine revelations; they looked upon them much as later peoples regard mythological narratives.
                              Urantia Book

                              "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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                              • #75
                                Freelight, good stuff dude!


                                C

                                "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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