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  • #76
    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    Barbie, just like you, despises Christian values for both of you support and advocate for the opposite of those values. You know, homosexuality, transgenderism, non-Biblical marriage, abortion, racism, etc.... I could just go on and on.
    No he doesn't. You're willfully lying about him.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
      What if you lived in Maryland and your minor daughter was allowed to get an abortion without your consent?:
      Maryland law requires that one parent or guardian be notified before a minor has an abortion. The parent/guardian does not need to consent (agree) with the minor's choice, but does need to know the minor is planning to have an abortion.

      Would you say that the state of Maryland was treating you fairly?
      You were talking about sex ed and my response was about sex ed. We can move on from that, now that it's clear parents have the ability to opt out of sex ed for their kids.

      Moving to the next: noting ahead of time that we're not likely to agree on parenting or much anything else, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this because I already know how it'll go. First: I'm pro-life. Always have been. Second, I didn't have to deal with this situation with any of my kids so I can't speak from that experience. Third, as much as I wouldn't want to have to deal with this situation, if I had a daughter who used her legal autonomy to get an abortion I would still be her mom, even as I grieved.

      Question for you. Let's say you have a 14 year old daughter who insists on going forward with an abortion. What do you do? Hold her captive until she gives birth? Seriously, what do you do?

      Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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      • #78
        Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
        Question for you. Let's say you have a 14 year old daughter who insists on going forward with an abortion. What do you do? Hold her captive until she gives birth? Seriously, what do you do?
        Since she is a minor I should have no problem in regard to stopping her from having an abortion. But the government in Maryland steps in and makes it possible for her to have an abortion without my consent.

        Do you think that the action of the state of Maryland in this regard is morally right?

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
          Since she is a minor I should have no problem in regard to stopping her from having an abortion. But the government in Maryland steps in and makes it possible for her to have an abortion without my consent.
          You'd have a problem if you lived in Maryland and she got the abortion without your consent.

          Do you think that the action of the state of Maryland in this regard is morally right?
          This is a tough hypothetical, I don't deny that. The state of Maryland is recognizing her legal autonomy to get a legal abortion, so the state sees itself as ensuring her legal rights. To you, and to me, we see abortion as the murder of an unborn person. To many people, particularly when done in the early weeks, they don't see it as murder, only as the termination of a pregnancy. I'm not saying I agree with that, I'm saying that's how a lot of people see it, and indeed, I believe there are a lot of panicky Christian parents who, when it became their daughter in such a situation, have completely revised their opinion of when life begins.

          So let's say your daughter is 14, you live in Maryland, she's adamant that she's not ready to be a mother and that she's going ahead with the abortion despite your forbidding it.

          Now what do you do?

          Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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          • #80
            Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
            ...you may decide that your sins are nicer than theirs, but God isn't buying that story.



            Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
            So how are your sins nicer than those of homosexuals,who are also struggling to do better?
            Nicer?
            Venial vs Mortal Further from New Advent

            In Catholicism, all sexual sin is mortal
            Last edited by Lon; October 17th, 2019, 11:35 PM.
            My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
            Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
            Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
            Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
            No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
            Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

            ? Yep

            Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

            ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

            Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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            • #81
              Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
              The state of Maryland is recognizing her legal autonomy to get a legal abortion, so the state sees itself as ensuring her legal rights
              Since the parent of a minor should be the ones who determines whether or not the minor can have an abortion then no government has no right to take away the parent's rights. But you seem to support the party which does these things and the party which supports abortion.

              You say that you think abortion is murder but yet you support the very political party which do everything they can do to keep murder legal!

              Why is that?

              Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
              So let's say your daughter is 14, you live in Maryland, she's adamant that she's not ready to be a mother and that she's going ahead with the abortion despite your forbidding it.

              Now what do you do?
              There is nothing I can do because the state has taken away my rights as a parent.

              Which political party do you think is responsible for that?

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                Since the parent of a minor should be the ones who determines whether or not the minor can have an abortion then no government has no right to take away the parent's rights. But you seem to support the party which does these things and the party which supports abortion.

                You say that you think abortion is murder but yet you support the very political party which do everything they can do to keep murder legal!

                Why is that?



                There is nothing I can do because the state has taken away my rights as a parent.

                Which political party do you think is responsible for that?
                The Supreme Court. One of the most conservative in recent history. But as the (republican-appointed) Chief Justice says, there are no political parties on the court.
                Last edited by The Barbarian; October 18th, 2019, 11:18 AM. Reason: EROR
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
                  Barbie, just like you, despises Christian values for both of you support and advocate for the opposite of those values. You know, homosexuality, transgenderism, non-Biblical marriage, abortion, racism, etc.... I could just go on and on. And you support the most dishonest politicians to ever exist in the US. I find that a complete rejection of God's values.
                  Since when did anna support Donald Trump?

                  Well this is fun isn't it?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                    Since the parent of a minor should be the ones who determines whether or not the minor can have an abortion
                    No one has the right to decide whether ANYONE can have an abortion, because an abortion is where a baby is murdered, and murder is not something that is simply "allowed" because the circumstances change.

                    Murder is ALWAYS wrong, which means that abortion, which is murder, is ALWAYS wrong, and should NEVER be allowed by ANYONE.

                    You say that you think abortion is murder but yet you support the very political party which do everything they can do to keep murder legal!
                    Don't be a hypocrite, Jerry.

                    Abortion is wrong because it's always wrong to kill a baby.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                      Since when did anna support Donald Trump?

                      lol!!!!
                      The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post

                        You say that you think abortion is murder but yet you support the very political party which do everything they can do to keep murder legal!

                        Why is that?
                        That's simple......it isn't Donald Trump...
                        The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                          Since when did anna support Donald Trump?

                          Well played...

                          Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                            Since the parent of a minor should be the ones who determines whether or not the minor can have an abortion then no government has no right to take away the parent's rights. But you seem to support the party which does these things and the party which supports abortion.

                            You say that you think abortion is murder but yet you support the very political party which do everything they can do to keep murder legal!
                            The government isn't dragging women into the clinics though, are they Jerry? There is no forced abortion, this isn't China. Women walk into the clinics themselves, 70% of them identifying as Christians as I've posted here before. Some out of desperation, some out of fear, some out of the belief that the unborn child isn't a sentient being, some for a morning after pill, some out of the belief it's their body alone, and very few for late term abortions. If abortion wasn't legal, many of these woman would seek out an illegal abortion, this isn't a new idea, it's ancient.

                            There is nothing I can do because the state has taken away my rights as a parent.

                            Which political party do you think is responsible for that?
                            Republicans.

                            Roe vs. Wade was decided by a Court that was comprised of a majority of justices who were nominated by Republican presidents.

                            The vote on Roe vs. Wade was 7-2. Those justices supporting the case’s pro-choice outcome were as follows, including the president nominating each and the president’s party affiliation:

                            • Harry Blackmun (Nixon, R)
                            • Warren Burger (Nixon, R)
                            • William Douglas (FDR, D)
                            • William Brennan (Eisenhower, R)
                            • Potter Stewart (Eisenhower, R)
                            • Thurgood Marshall (LBJ, D)
                            • Lewis Powell (Nixon, R)


                            Those dissenting on Roe vs. Wade were not Republican-president-nominated to the Court:

                            • Byron White (Kennedy, D)
                            • William Rehnquist (Nixon, R; chief justice under Reagan, R)

                            Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                              So how are your sins nicer than those of homosexuals,who are also struggling to do better?
                              Originally posted by Lon View Post
                              i'm really curious about these mythical homosexuals that barbie refers to, who are "also struggling to do better"


                              Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                              Jesus treated adulterers ... with respect.
                              unrepentant adulterers who insisted their behavior was not a sin?

                              find me a homosexual who admits his behavior is sinful and is trying to refrain from it and you might have a point

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                                Since when did anna support Donald Trump?

                                Please don't feed the troll.
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