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  • #16
    Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    Hey, cool. That means you can't be a racist.


    Anyone who thinks Trump is a racist isn't paying attention to the whole picture. They take his words out of context and ignore reality.
    Last edited by Lighthouse; August 29th, 2019, 06:34 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post


      Anyone who thinks Trump is a racist aren't paying attention to the whole picture. They take his words out of context and ignore reality.
      Who....White Supremacists?
      _/\_

      Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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      • #18
        Originally posted by quip View Post
        Who....White Supremacists?
        Poor Trump's just a misunderstood rich white dude!
        _/\_

        Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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        • #19
          Originally posted by quip View Post
          Poor Trump's just a misunderstood rich white dude!
          The mindless racists seem misguided by their own version of follow the leader!

          Who woulda' guessed?
          _/\_

          Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
            Donald Trump is now being called a racist,well we know he really is not such a raciest, but he is against poor people, especially immigrants.

            It is poor immigrant he dislikes. He believes that poor immigrants will lower the average wealth in the USA.

            He does not like cultural differences.
            Donald should take it up with this lady:



            Regarding racism: Should I mention that Donald Trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the KKK, the leader of the American Nazi Party and the white supremacist Alt Right (and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke)?

            Evidently they liked what Donald Trump had to say.
            The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
            http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
            http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
              Maybe. I think it is more a blend of poor with black, brown, red and sometimes yellow.
              The natural condition of humans is to fear people who are recognizably different. When one grows up, one realizes that fear is irrational, and starts evaluating people on their merits instead of their differences.

              If one grows up, that is.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                Donald should take it up with this lady:



                Regarding racism: Should I mention that Donald Trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the KKK, the leader of the American Nazi Party and the white supremacist Alt Right (and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke)?

                Evidently they liked what Donald Trump had to say.
                Trump says a lot of things

                What was it that he said - SPECIFICALLY - that you think they liked?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                  The natural condition of humans is to fear people who are recognizably different. When one grows up, one realizes that fear is irrational, and starts evaluating people on their merits instead of their differences.

                  If one grows up, that is.

                  It is just as likely that a small child will play with children of other races completely oblivious to the differences. Having worked with children for many years in the past I have seen this more often than not. In fact, I would say that their prejudice is learned from their own parents as they learn to make distinctions. Appearances cause reactions only when they learn to attribute MEANING to certain stimuli. Your idea that people naturally discriminate but overcome their propensity to do so only when they develop and apply higher-order thinking skills does not necessarily follow.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Shasta View Post
                    It is just as likely that a small child will play with children of other races completely oblivious to the differences. Having worked with children for many years in the past I have seen this more often than not. In fact, I would say that their prejudice is learned from their own parents as they learn to make distinctions. Appearances cause reactions only when they learn to attribute MEANING to certain stimuli. Your idea that people naturally discriminate but overcome their propensity to do so only when they develop and apply higher-order thinking skills does not necessarily follow.
                    It follows if you understand barbie's intention in trolling this thread

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                      Trump says a lot of things

                      What was it that he said - SPECIFICALLY - that you think they liked?
                      Their endorsement for him doesn't imply his endorsement of them? -SPECIFICALLY- give us Trump quotes that illustrates the implication above to be false.
                      _/\_

                      Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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                      • #26
                        If a Marxist newspaper expressed support of Leftist Democrats would that make the Democrats into Marxists? This is not mere thought experiment. The Revolutionary Communist Party, USA has openly and demonstrably expressed their support of the Leftward policy shift in the Democrat party.

                        https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...policy-shifts/

                        By your reasoning, the support of the Communist Party (asked for or not) makes the Democrat Party indistinguishable from the communist party.
                        This is simply the old fallacious "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION" argument. Such a fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything.

                        Let me note that the "similarity" may only be that one is on the "Left" side of the political spectrum and the other is on the "right" but this is another fallacy that of the False Dilemma. Also known as the all-or-nothing fallacy, false dichotomy*, the either-or fallacy, either-or reasoning, fallacy of false choice, fallacy of false alternatives, black-and-white thinking, the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, bifurcation, excluded middle, no middle ground, polarization)In fact there are a number of position of totalitarian globalism (Communism) on one extreme and totalitarian nationalism (fascism) on the other but if we went only by the Media we would not know that but the Media is not interested in making distinctions because their intent is not to report events but to repeat propaganda.

                        Their very use of logical fallacies is evidence of this. Logical fallacies do not constitute REASONED discourse. They bypass reason and rely on emotion. The fact that you offer up the same chant that "Trump is a racist" hows how well it works. "Four legs good. Two legs bad"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Shasta View Post
                          If a Marxist newspaper expressed support in a Leftist Democrat would that make that person a Marxist or would it be a sign that, given their GENERAL position they favor the Democrats? This is not mere thought experiment. The Revolutionary Communist Party, USA has openly and demonstrably expressed their support of the Leftward policy shift in the Democrat party.

                          https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...policy-shifts/

                          By your reasoning, the support of the Communist Party (asked for or not) makes the Democrat Party a full-fledged communist party. This is simply the old fallacious "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION" argument:

                          A guilt by association fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything.

                          Logical fallacies do not constitute REASONED discourse. In fact, they bypass reason altogether and are mere groundless accusations designed to promote emotional prejudice. The fact that you offer up the same chant that "Trump is a racist" hows how well it works. "Four legs good. Two legs bad"
                          You're correct, Trump is - technically - not a racist...rather he poli-plays to and fro upon that line. His positions and policies toy with their ideals. So, if not a full fledged racist (in pure logical terms) what exactly does that make him?
                          'Pathetic' comes to mind as at least a true racist has the courage of his conviction.
                          _/\_

                          Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Shasta View Post
                            It is just as likely that a small child will play with children of other races completely oblivious to the differences. Having worked with children for many years in the past I have seen this more often than not.
                            Yes. If children are raised with those who are different in appearance, they don't learn to fear them. But children who are not, will grow up to do so. Xenophobia is normal part of human behavior; unless you teach children to not fear those who are different, they likely will.

                            There's a survival value in this; people from other populations may very likely harbor diseases that are not dangerous to them, but may be dangerous to populations unfamiliar with them. The destruction of Native American civilizations was caused more by the spread of Eurasian diseases than by military might.

                            But the behavioral immune system, like an allergy, is so sensitive that it’s often wrong. It sometimes hurts us more than it helps.

                            In a new review paper published this week in Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, the psychologists Damian R. Murray, from Tulane University, and Mark Schaller, from the University of British Columbia, explain where these behavioral defenses against infection came from—and how they can deceive.

                            The actual immune system—the one that biologically fights infection—works best against the pathogens it’s accustomed to. When European settlers reached America, they promptly infected Native Americans with measles, whooping cough, smallpox, and a number of other diseases to which they had no immunity. Today, we might experience this when we travel to new, glamorous locations and spend many un-glamorous evenings perched on the toilet with traveler’s diarrhea.

                            In centuries past, then, it may have been healthy to tread carefully around foreigners. Not only might outsiders carry dangerous germs, they also might not be familiar with the kinds of local customs—food-preparation laws or sexual practices—that conferred some measure of protection against communicable diseases.

                            https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...phobia/423975/


                            In fact, I would say that their prejudice is learned from their own parents as they learn to make distinctions. Appearances cause reactions only when they learn to attribute MEANING to certain stimuli. Your idea that people naturally discriminate but overcome their propensity to do so only when they develop and apply higher-order thinking skills does not necessarily follow.
                            It's not a pleasant thing about being human,but it's a natural part of us. Prejudice is surely reinforced by parents; if there's some kind of cultural issue, then yes, it has to be taught. Where the "others" live nearby and are frequently seen, then children will not fear them unless taught to do so.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                              Regarding racism: Should I mention that Donald Trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the KKK, the leader of the American Nazi Party and the white supremacist Alt Right (and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke)?

                              Evidently they liked what Donald Trump had to say.
                              They weren't listening to what Donald Trump was saying, they liked what the Fake News was saying about Trump.
                              Learn to read what is written.

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                              The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                              ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                                They weren't listening to what Donald Trump was saying, they liked what the Fake News was saying about Trump.
                                That's why I asked the question acw will never answer and his troll-buddy Quip side-stepped

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