What is your definition of racism?

[gcthomas]

unfortunately, for many people, this is the face of black america:

That is the face of POOR America.

 

[Crucible]

i may watch it later - too long for right now, i got painting to get to :wave2:


bought me one of these bad boys! :banana:

Why it gotta be white, why can't it be black?

That's racist :AMR:

In other news, check out this insanity:
http://www.npr.org/2015/08/29/43583...pull-trigger-when-target-is-black-study-finds

 

[Sigh]

Racism - when someone has an issue with or causes problems with others based (treats them differently) based on their race alone.

An example for me would be fear in areas that are predominately black and the assumption that they will harm me, or rob me, etc..

But my basis is experience, with it happening and seeing it happen.

Thanks Angel, This comes close to my definition. However, if everyone agrees we should cut a definition with a scapel and not a broad sword, then it wouldn't be necessarily racist for women to be cautious around young white men acting and looking like hoodlums, and that means profiling is not necessarially racist, right?

For me people all belong to one family. They came from Adam and Eve. BUT... I Generally think men can be dangerous more often to me than women. Is that sexist? I doubt it.
Remember Trump saying the mother of a hero might have had to be quiet because of her husband? Everyone around me screamed bloody murder. Military is tuff on that stuff, right? But, listen, she was WEARING CULTURAL CLOTHING. Unfortunately a culture that wears clothes like what she was wearing can be HORRIBLE about suppressing women! Is that racist? What if she had been wearing a nuns outfit? Are you saying it wouldn't have drawn attention? Please. The word racist is being used by people who can't seem to think about anything but the most superficial thoughts.

 

[musterion]

It is more likely that since blacks are concentrated in the poorer sectors of society then either social or financial factors prevented them getting access to swimming pools. Proposing the idea of genetic causes are little more than antiscientific post-hoc justifications of their own racist feelings.

Oops, forgot to mention. He's black.

What about Caribbean folks? We swim like fishes. How do you calculate that?

Dunno. How you swim with dreads, mon?

 

[musterion]

bought me one of these bad boys! :banana:

You bought yourself a pretty white boy?

I knew it.

 

[ok doser]

You bought yourself a pretty white boy?

I knew it.

after an afternoon of spraying overhead outside in the wind, i'm whiter than ever! :banana:


kinda sticky too! :banana::banana:

 

[ok doser]

That is the face of POOR America.

no - there are more impoverished whites in america than blacks

the pic i attached is the face the media presents of poor black america


most of poor black america looks like the kids i taught, who were generally well-behaved and eager to learn, and could have been successful if they had been given non-chaotic classrooms in which to do it

 

[musterion]

So the black man I met today said he believes black folks have an innate avoidance of swimming. I even offered that perhaps because many of them are from urban areas where often there is no place to swim, it's frightening. He said that's often true but is convinced it's much deeper, something genetic (that's the word he used).

If you disagree with his opinion of other black people - and of himself before he forced himself to learn how - and if you're white - then you must be racist for saying you know black people better than a black man does.

If you disagree with his opinion, and you're black, why should anyone accept your view over his?

 

[The Berean]

So the black man I met today said he believes black folks have an innate avoidance of swimming. I even offered that perhaps because many of them are from urban areas where often there is no place to swim, it's frightening. He said that's often true but is convinced it's much deeper, something genetic (that's the word he used).

And his evidence for this is?

If you disagree with his opinion of other black people - and of himself before he forced himself to learn how - and if you're white - then you must be racist for saying you know black people better than a black man does.

Agains what is his evidence? Has he done some sort of scientific investigation comparing large numbers of swimmers?

If you disagree with his opinion, and you're black, why should anyone accept your view over his?

Apparently, Simone Manuel did not get that memo.

 

[Tambora]

pretty, rich, white kids

Smart too.

 

[musterion]

And his evidence for this is?

The Black Experience, I suppose. Which you are allowed to question, but only on one condition.

Apparently, Simone Manuel did not get that memo.

Hey Spock, no one said black folks can't swim.

 

[The Berean]

Ok, a bit of my family's history. My father immigrated to the US from Mexico as part of the Bracero Program in 1961. My mother immigrated from Mexico in the mid 1950's as a child. She was sponsored by one of her aunts. In the mid 1970's one of my father's brothers and several cousins of mine immigrated to the US to work as farm laborers. Here is how their children did in terms of education.

My Family-5 children
6 college degrees including 2 master's degrees, and one sheriff's deputy

Uncle's family- 4 children
5 college degrees and teaching credential

Cousin #1- 1 child
1 college degree

Cousin #2- 1 child
1 college degree

Cousin #3- 2 children
1 college degree, younger child in college and the older child will attend grad school soon.

Cousin #4- 3 children
oldest in college, other 2 kids pre teens.


One of my cousins decided to go to community college in his 40's because he was kind of bored and got his two-year degree in 18 months. All this from one family from a small village in Mexico. If the US is so racist how is this even possible? :idunno: Maybe, just maybe, if people make education a priority good things can happen?

 

[musterion]

Ok, a bit of my family's history. My father immigrated to the US from Mexico as part of the Bracero Program in 1961. My mother immigrated from Mexico in the mid 1950's as a child. She was sponsored by one of her aunts. In the mid 1970's one of my father's brothers and several cousins of mine immigrated to the US to more as famr laborers. Here is how their children did in terms of education.

My Family-5 children
6 college degrees including 2 master's degrees, and one sheriff's deputy

Uncle's family- 4 children
5 college degrees and teaching credential

Cousin #1- 1 child
1 college degree

Cousin #2- 1 child
1 college degree

Cousin #3- 2 children
1 college degree, younger child in college and the older child will attend grad school soon.

Cousin #4- 3 children
oldest in college, other 2 kids pre teens.


One of my cousins decided to go to community college in his 40's because he was kind of bored and got his two-year degree in 18 months. All this from one family from a small village in Mexico. If the US is so racist how is this even possble? :idunno: Maybe, just maybe, if people make education a priority good things can happen?

Cool story but sorry, the Black Experience trumps all others.

My Scotch-Irish forebears were considered diseased, potato-scraping scum, one of whom - Hell Raising Jones - was hanged for stomping a woman to death.

 

[musterion]

What is your definition of racism

The greatest, most criminally dehumanizing evil in history, one which can be committed only by honkies.

 

[The Berean]

Cool story but sorry, the Black Experience trumps all others.

Not anymore! Homosexuals and transgenders are higher up on the "protected class" chart! Remember when former NBA player Tim Hardaway said something negative about homosexuals? The SJW goons destroyed him.

My Scotch-Irish forebears were considered diseased, potato-scraping scum, one of whom - Hell Raising Jones - was hanged for stomping a woman to death.

The Irish certainly had it rough in the 19th century.

 

[Crucible]

Clearly, you didn't understand a word of what I wrote, because it had nothing to do with waiting for anyone to catch up.

Society is like high school, with the elite clique of pretty, rich, white kids getting all the advantages, and all the accolades, and all the attention. Except for a couple of exceptional kids who were't born into this clique, but that manage to excel enough to get some of those advantages and accolades, too. While everyone else is pretty much being left out of the "success party", to make their way as best they can.

And when those pretty, rich, white kids grow up and go out into the world they will be in charge of everything, because they were given every advantage and it will have been easy for them to succeed, and make it to the levers of power. Those few very extraordinary "regular kids" will probably do well, too, because they are exceptionally able and driven to succeed. While all the rest of the kids will end up at various levels of servitude,from management down to the lowest laborer.

And when those pretty, rich, white kids become pretty, rich, white bosses they will have pretty, rich, white children, who will take their place in the special clique of the advantaged kids. And the cycle will continue on. Because this is the power and the path of privilege. This is how success is made very easy to achieve for some, while it's made very difficult for others.

In America, we like to imagine that we are not a class-conscious society. Or a color conscious society. Yet these privileged cliques are almost always made up of pretty, rich, white people, whatever their context, and by every measure of success. Because we are lying to ourselves about this. We are a class based society and a class based economy, and the stratification runs exactly along racial lines. We just don't want to see it.

The problem with that argument is that is not about race, it's about comparing a current disadvantage of certain people to those with advantage, and trying to make it about race.

The current President is black. Judicial courts, police departments, politics, the upper classes, and the elite- all have blacks integrated within. So obviously the disadvantage is not about race, it's about one's upbringing.

Black people are largely seen as at a disadvantage, exclusively, because society's attention has chosen to be exclusive about who they see at a disadvantage

This is what has happened with constantly bringing up race- the sooner it dies, the sooner problems will actually get solved. But right now, people want to instead keep the stigma running, and favor certain groups while ignoring others or even at the expense of others.

 

[Tambora]

If the US is so racist how is this even possible? :idunno:

It's a mystery.

And kudos on the accomplishments of your family.
:thumb:

 

[Tambora]

honkies.

I prefer snowflake.

 

[The Berean]

I prefer snowflake.

When I was a kid white kids were called "sufers". No idea why. No one I knew actually surfed. Some were called "Okies", probably a reference from the Great Depression.

 

[Tambora]

When I was a kid white kids were called "sufers". No idea why. No one I knew actually surfed. Some were called "Okies", probably a reference from the Great Depression.

I bet the 'surfer' term was in connection to serfs (poor field laborers), which was common during the depression also.
But who knows. :idunno:
Some of the terms used can be quite imaginative.