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NYT Blasted for Printing 'Silly Article' Claiming God's Decline Based on Google Searches

A Jewish rabbi who lives in and serves a small community in New York has written a hard hitting rejoinder to an op-ed in The New York Times suggesting that God is in the decline because He is being "googled" less than in previous years.

There are 4.7 million "results" for Jesus, but 49 million for Kim Kardashian, writes Rabbi Jeremy Rosen, quoting from an op-ed titled, "Googling for God," published in the Times last weekend.

"By that standard she is more popular than John Lennon, who in turn claimed that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ," adds Rosen, who received his rabbinic ordination from Mir Yeshiva in Jerusalem, in an American Jewish newspaper, The Algemeiner. "And indeed they were if you think that kind of popularity should be taken seriously."

The op-ed author, Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, who received a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard, says, "I looked at the war in Ukraine, the civil war in Syria, the tsunami in Japan and 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict. In every instance in the affected country, searches for news increased by between 90 and 280%. The top religious searches be they Bible, Quran, God, Allah, or prayer tended to drop."

Rosen questions if anyone believe that God is a popularity contestant or a product. "Since when did God care how many people voted for him? Only Satan in the Christian tradition worries about pride."

The rabbi then argues that the op-ed author overlooks popular tendencies among people.

People want news of a crisis, especially if they are affected, more than sitting down to a theological discussion, Rosen points out.

"The piece reminded me of all those silly articles in which God is described as a kindly old man sitting on a cloud in the sky (or very angry, hurling down thunderbolts at evil doers). Having set up a caricature as the target, the article then proceeds to make fun of the idea. Well, yes. If you compare God to Superman it would be laughable. But which thinking believer sees Him that way? Do people assume that all religious grownups still cling to kindergarten ideas of what God is?"

Bad is always more fun than good, Rosen says. "Taking a drug is an easier way to escape your problems than working hard to overcome them… That's why the papers are full of all the bad things Israel does but rarely does anyone ever mention the good, even if there's just as much of that too."

For most human beings, life is sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll, the rabbi adds. "That is what sells."

He goes on to say: "Your average Joe or Josephine is a yahoo who is satisfied with the lowest common denominator, the easiest and simplest of everything. He will vote for [Republican presidential candidate] Donald Trump to become president of the United States. He will hate foreigners, minorities, and probably women too. But this merely tells us what we already know – that most people in this world love pornography more than the self-discipline of a religious tradition."

We live in a dumb world, and Google searches prove just how true that is, the rabbi argues. So why does a "supposedly serious newspaper" publish such a "silly article, unless it too feels the need to attract more dumb readers?"

Do you think that google search results indicate social thought overall?

Do you think that those looking for or wondering about God is on decline in the world?
 

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NYT Blasted for Printing 'Silly Article' Claiming God's Decline Based on Google Searches



Do you think that google search results indicate social thought overall?

Do you think that those looking for or wondering about God is on decline in the world?

Hmm...I don't know, but I was shocked to see that the Pope claimed it didn't matter if people actually believed in God or not.

Anyway, people don't have to google to know about God, so I think that's kinda silly. I'm wondering what the results would be where people are googling commentaries on particular portions of the Bible.
 

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Do you think that those looking for or wondering about God is on decline in the world?

not really, but i think the conclusion many arrive at is different than what it would have been pre- internet....the closest my local library gets to secula humanist thought for example is the Gnostic Bible, and a few books on Judiasm Buddhism and a book on Hinduism. everything else is primarily centered around orthodox Christianity.
 

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Hmm...I don't know, but I was shocked to see that the Pope claimed it didn't matter if people actually believed in God or not.
I was shocked when he said in his sermon at st patricks where he gave a mass, that the cross was a failure.

The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.
Full transcript here

Anyway, people don't have to google to know about God, so I think that's kinda silly. I'm wondering what the results would be where people are googling commentaries on particular portions of the Bible.


Good point, i wonder if they included any of that in the search numbers.. :think:
 

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Do you think that google search results indicate social thought overall?

No, that's what statistical surveys are for, and they show that in the developed world, belief in gods has been declining.

Do you think that those looking for or wondering about God is on decline in the world?

In the developed world, yes.
 

glorydaz

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No, that's what statistical surveys are for, and they show that in the developed world, belief in gods has been declining.



In the developed world, yes.

Well, when the next catastrophe hits or a war breaks out close to home, that'll change. There are no atheists in foxholes. :chuckle:
 

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So religion is a kind of crutch that people turn to out of desperation?

Yep. And when a man has no legs, he doesn't speak despairingly of a crutch. If a man is starving in a desert, he isn't too proud to take a morsel of bread he finds on the ground. When one is stranded in an ocean with sharks all around, he doesn't scoff at a life preserver though it doesn't look like much in itself.

The pride of man is a horrible thing. To turn up his nose at a Gift from God because it is free is the height of foolishness. Many a man has to be brought to his knees before he finds this out.
 

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Yep. And when a man has no legs, he doesn't speak despairingly of a crutch. If a man is starving in a desert, he isn't too proud to take a morsel of bread he finds on the ground. When one is stranded in an ocean with sharks all around, he doesn't scoff at a life preserver though it doesn't look like much in itself.

The pride of man is a horrible thing. To turn up his nose at a Gift from God because it is free is the height of foolishness. Many a man has to be brought to his knees before he finds this out.

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Treating Google usage as the end-all/be-all measurement of public thought is flawed on its best day.

Especially since most religious people already have their favorite sites bookmarked and/or have been told where to go online by their particular religious community's authority figure(s), and thus don't need a search engine.

Anyone else would likely go to Wikipedia first, and explore the "external links" attached to whichever articles they ended up reading.
 

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NYT Blasted for Printing 'Silly Article' Claiming God's Decline Based on Google Searches



Do you think that google search results indicate social thought overall?

Do you think that those looking for or wondering about God is on decline in the world?

It's kind of silly, yes. I think the original author is getting overly criticized though. Stephens-Davidowitz says himself that we can't come to overarching conclusions based on the search data. I don't think the Rabbi's response is very on the mark.

I do think that internet searches can give some indication of what society is thinking about.

I don't know if I'd say less people are wondering about God. It does seem to be true that less people claim to be theistic/religious but interest in God/religion can still be there, even if you are coming at it from the other side. And perhaps more interest in non-traditional religions or a more generic spirituality. A while back I read the book 'Bad Religion: How we became a nation of heretics' and one of the chapters talked about how Jesus can garner a lot of interest, but a lot of it is in non-orthodox theories about Jesus. Everyone wants to read about Jesus if it's not the Jesus from the gospels.
 

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Treating Google usage as the end-all/be-all measurement of public thought is flawed on its best day.

Especially since most religious people already have their favorite sites bookmarked and/or have been told where to go online by their particular religious community's authority figure(s), and thus don't need a search engine.

Anyone else would likely go to Wikipedia first, and explore the "external links" attached to whichever articles they ended up reading.


If people somewhere are searching a lot about a topic, it is overwhelming evidence those people are very interested in that topic. Jambalaya recipes are searched mostly in Louisiana; Lakers statistics are searched mostly in Los Angeles; “Seth Stephens-Davidowitz” is searched mostly on my computer.

In a way, these examples are surprising because you might think that people who know the most would have the least reason to search. But that’s not the way it actually plays out. A high volume of searches by people who already have the most information holds true for religious searches, too. Searches related to the Bible, God, Jesus Christ, church and prayer are all highly concentrated in the Bible Belt. They rise on Sunday everywhere.

 

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Hmm...I don't know, but I was shocked to see that the Pope claimed it didn't matter if people actually believed in God or not.

Anyway, people don't have to google to know about God, so I think that's kinda silly. I'm wondering what the results would be where people are googling commentaries on particular portions of the Bible.

The original piece talks about 'bible' searches but it was limited to the time period around the Boston bombing. But if he looked at it for there he might have considered it elsewhere too. I don't know if searches for particular passages is included in that though, it might just be searches that have 'bible'.
 

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I was shocked when he said in his sermon at st patricks where he gave a mass, that the cross was a failure.

Full transcript here




Good point, i wonder if they included any of that in the search numbers.. :think:

What's wrong with what he said? :idunno: There is a different way of measuring success. The cross was a failure depending on how you look and what you expected. I wouldn't be surprised, and tend to think it was true, that following the crucifixion the disciples were feeling defeated. The resurrection was the ultimate redemption and validation of Jesus.
 
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