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  • #76
    Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
    No, read what he says.

    He says he is pro-life, then moves on to say, even you dummies who need observable facts can see the baby is a person by the third semester.
    (Barbarian checks)

    No,he says:

    Besides that, there is ample evidence that by the third trimester (and even before) that what is inside the mother's womb is a person. To deny we must throw our reason to the wind.
    I'm wondering why he thinks it's different before the third trimester. I don't think he can call himself "pro-life" if he thinks like that. Human life begins at conception, and there's nothing magical about the third trimester.


    Now, what does this have to do with being a libertarian anyway?
    Not very much. As noted before, there are libertarians on both sides of the issue. I don't know what his motivation was, but it clearly makes him uncomfortable to be questioned about it.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
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      Yes, you're still a dishonest troll.

      Where is the evidence for a global flood?
      E≈mc2
      "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

      "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
      -Bob B.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
        Barbarian asks:
        So Jerry, am I to understand, you're questioning whether the unborn are people before the third trimester? What makes you think that?

        (Jerry evades the question)

        Why don't you answer my question? Are you ashamed of your beliefs?

        Do you support third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman? Why are you suggesting that abortions are different before the third trimester? What difference does that make for you?

        You seem to be the only one here who takes that position.
        The only reason that I can imagine why you to refuse to answer my question is because you are ashamed of your beliefs.

        Do you support third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman?

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        • #79
          I dont think barbarian supports third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman. At least I have never heard him speak to that...
          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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          • #80
            And I dont think Jerry does either......so why all the puffed out chests in this I haven't a clue...
            The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
              The only reason that I can imagine why you to refuse to answer my question is because you are ashamed of your beliefs.
              I think you're projecting. You've repeatedly refused to answer my question about why you consider the third trimester important in deciding when the unborn are people. If you're ashamed of admitting that you think they are not, you should be. Do you not realize that from conception on, these are unique individual humans?

              C'mon. Admit it. You know that your third trimester mark is just an artificial point. Or you should.

              And Jerry, "convenience" has nothing to do with it. Let go of this and think a little. If you want to call yourself "pro-life", then be pro-life.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                I dont think barbarian supports third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman. At least I have never heard him speak to that...
                Catholics acknowledge that human life starts at conception; not only good theology, it's good scientific thinking.

                And I dont think Jerry does either......
                Until yesterday, I didn't think he did. But what's all this "third trimester" waffling about,then?
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                  I think you're projecting. You've repeatedly refused to answer my question about why you consider the third trimester important in deciding when the unborn are people. If you're ashamed of admitting that you think they are not, you should be. Do you not realize that from conception on, these are unique individual humans?

                  C'mon. Admit it. You know that your third trimester mark is just an artificial point. Or you should.

                  And Jerry, "convenience" has nothing to do with it. Let go of this and think a little. If you want to call yourself "pro-life", then be pro-life.
                  I proudly declare I am pro life.

                  But I am curious why you won't answer my question:

                  Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                  And Jerry, "convenience" has nothing to do with it.
                  It has everything to do with my question:

                  Do you support third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman?

                  If you support women having abortions perhaps you will tell me what you consider to be a acceptable reason for having them?

                  Do you belong to the church at Rome?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                    I proudly declare I am pro life.
                    Then why are you suggesting that there's some kind of difference after the third trimester? That's not prolife; that's pro-abortion, with reservations.

                    But I am curious why you won't answer my question
                    You're just posturing. I already pointed out:
                    Catholics acknowledge that human life starts at conception; not only good theology, it's good scientific thinking.

                    You know this; why pretend you don't? And why do you suggest that it might be O.K. to do third semester abortions because "giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman. You know, or should know, that taking a life for "convenience" is not acceptable. Why not just admit it?
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                      You know this; why pretend you don't? And why do you suggest that it might be O.K. to do third semester abortions because "giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman. You know, or should know, that taking a life for "convenience" is not acceptable. Why not just admit it?
                      I didn't know that you are a member of the church at Rome. Sorry!

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                      • #86
                        Your apology is accepted. It would be wise to know those things before assuming. I figured you were trolling, particularly after that "third trimester" stuff.

                        And now, it's forgotten since you meant no harm.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                          Take the Libertarian Test and find out.

                          Libertarian Test
                          Even before taking the test I think I am to some extent. But I'm definitely not an ancap.
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