how did he get on the ground if he did not resist?
how do you know it was 'needlessly aggressive behavior'?
chrysostom
- Thread starter chrysostom
- Start date
how did he get on the ground if he did not resist?
how do you know it was 'needlessly aggressive behavior'?
From the shooter.
Same reason everyone ran away. And why do you know that? Because there's no other reason that makes any sense.
Sure. But all you really need to know is how to read, because that's what the police said and reported about the incident.
Sure.
I haven't seen one account from the police that suggested Bennett was anything other than compliant, though I have read Bennett's claims that the officers involved were needlessly aggressive, both in how they cuffed him and, of course, the whole gun by the side of his head, "I'll blow your [redacted] head off" business.
Curious additional fact: the officer who detained Bennett didn't have his body camera on. Son of a gun.
The one thing that would instantly clear up the "gun by the side of my head" charge too. Man, bad break that one.You don't have to have any reason to cuff someone beyond the suspicion that they've participated in a crime. It's not unusual for an officer to explain the process, that you're being handcuffed for his/her protection while he/she ascertains if there is reason to arrest. If the police officers have reason to suspect they have what they need to place you in a safe restraint. Unless there's a peculiar wrinkle to the jurisdiction here that requires more the act of placing Bennett in restraint wasn't unusual or wrong. And given police were dealing with a potential unknown shooter at the time they're probably not going to get in trouble for detaining him. Not because they're singling him out was reasonable, but because it wasn't reckless or unreasonable given the particulars. There's enough gray area. The thing they'll have trouble with is the language and gun use IF it is corroborated by other video. That and the fact the allegedly offending officer's body cam just happens to be the one turned off during the incident.
I saw one snippet from TMZ video that comes in late and you can hear one of the officers use the word Bennett claims in yelling instructions about where to place his hands to finish the cuffing. So dropping the F Bomb appears to be in line with at least one of the detaining officers habit.
What are you?
why do you believe him?
I didn't say I believed him. I said I was aware of it. I've given you facts. You're reaching. Why is that?
One of the later facts that would put at least a little more credibility in the Bennett column was the language I heard from one officer at the very end of the incident, in the tape available on TMZ, where you can hear the F bomb being dropped by one giving Bennet instruction about how to hold his hands (palms in) as he's cuffed.
Missed this one earlier.
"He was detained because a couple of cops, who may have made a stupid decision and compounded it with needlessly aggressive behavior, decided to read the worst possible thing into his actions."
May have, as in, "If Bennett's allegations regarding the gun near his head and knee grinding into his back are sustainable".
It's not unusual for police officers to instruct a suspect to lie on the ground, where it's easier to cuff and handle him. It's especially true where the suspect is male and the situation is charged (as in the belief of an active shooter in the area/people fleeing).
You need to read more closely or be more honest in your representations. This is twice you've done this. I said
"He was detained because a couple of cops, who may have made a stupid decision and compounded it with needlessly aggressive behavior, decided to read the worst possible thing into his actions."
May have, as in, "If Bennett's allegations regarding the gun near his head and knee grinding into his back are sustainable".
you presented what he said as being a fact
-
why would you believe someone who doesn't understand how many had to die so he could make millions playing football?
-
just to prove that you are not a racist?
No, I didn't. I presented the fact of his statement. I distinguished pointedly between supposition on points and facts.
Why would you keep saying I believed him when you only just made the assertion in your last post and I answered that I didn't. I'm noting what he said. I've noted what the police statement said. I've addressed your read-in speculations and given qualified answers.
I've also noted a few things that don't bode well for the policemen involved.
Now I'll add to my notes your odd, derogatory supposition about what Bennett knows presented as though it was a certainty.
Never crossed my mind. Interesting that it crossed yours. Is it the resentment that attends some when a man makes the millions you noted by playing a game? Or is it something else?
you are defending bennett who has an agenda
-and-
does not appreciate what he has
-
you are not defending the police whose job it is to defend us
-and-
they must deal with the likes of bennett way too often
this will not be a good year for the nfl
This season, Michael Bennett could become the new face of unprecedented political activism within the league.
This season, Michael Bennett could become the new face of unprecedented political activism within the league.
just for the moment pretend you are a policeman
-and-
you are confronted with a 6'4" 274 lb black man who is built like a football player
-and-
he has a chip on his shoulder
-and-
you have to do your job
-and-
you are confronted with a 6'4" 274 lb black man who is built like a football player
-and-
he has a chip on his shoulder
-and-
you have to do your job
No, not really. What's he been charged with?
I could say the same of you.
You don't know him. You can't really say that...well, you can't say it responsibly.
I'm not defending either of the parties.
What I did do was note what both of them said about the incident and what I'd observed from data outside either of their control.
And when you read in things you couldn't know I gave you another perspective to not consider.
lain:I've always had a great working relationship with law enforcement and one of my best and life long friends was a Marine MP and then a patrolman for a California township. I've always said that with policemen you tend to get one of two sorts, those with a remarkable desire to literally risk their lives to protect others and uphold the law, and those who like the authority that job gives them...I'm sure everyone has a little of either, but the driving force will tend to be one or the other and it doesn't take long to figure out which you're dealing with.
They have to deal with hard working, philanthropic millionaires all the time? Dang.
The likes of Bennett...a guy you really don't know. I mean other than the time he "stole" a bicycle from a police officer to do a victory lap inside the field following an NFC Championship win against Green Bay. . . That put him on your "radar" chrys? Or was it his call for white players to stand beside black NFL players in calling for a serious look at inequities in the criminal justice system relating to blacks? Or maybe his more recent decision to sit out the anthem in the wake of Charlotesville?
All I know is that he's worked hard to do what most football playing athletes dream of doing, play in the NFL. I know he didn't have it handed to him, that he was cut by Seattle as a younger man, proved himself in Tampa Bay, before coming back to play for the Seahawks.
I know Michael had committed all of his endorsement money this year to charities within the black community along with half the proceeds from his jersey sales.
Said Bennett, “The system is failing our kids, and it will be up to the community and our leaders to help keep the hope alive by focusing on improving our education system and the future of our kids. Any company that decides to invest in me, just know that you’ll be investing in opportunities and providing inspiration for these families- many who feel unnoticed or go unmentioned.”
I know he has a charitable foundation that is committed to fighting childhood obesity and provides free football camps for underprivileged youth.
It took me less than five minutes to know that much about him.
How long did it take for you to make up your mind?
You feel confronted by everyone at a track meet? That has to be tough.
Otherwise, there are no accounts of this citizen you're sworn to protect doing anything more than complying. There's video where you can hear him, in the act of being handcuffed, addressing the you as, "Sir" and declaring his innocence of any wrongdoing.
Uppity, is he? Ungrateful for the millions, is he? Man chrys, you should consider sitting this one out.
as soon as I realized you were defending bennett and not the police
-
isn't that your job?
-
young blacks need fathers
-not-
activists disrespecting the flag and police
Actually, that's not true. You began the conversation by declaring to everyone:
Or, before I'd said one word about it you had him resisting arrest. Tying the racist bit in just helps understand your background notions about him and how that fueled your embrace of a negative, assumptive position.
You went on to make several assumptive mistakes, here are a few bundled by you:
Didn't happen.
Standard procedure.
Didn't happen.
Because there was, he believed, a shooter in the general direction police were heading and he didn't resist, again, by any given account.
Sure. In the mind of chrys Bennett jumped and ran so the police would give chase, so he could jeopardize his safety and possibly his life on the odd chance that one of the officers would behave inappropriately and be videoed doing it. That's what you have to believe is reasonable to follow Chry's resentment powered perspective.
Why do I say resentment powered? Because chrys says the darndest things, like:
He might, but you absolutely do, chrys.
Every kid who doesn't have what he needs needs help. Bennett is providing that. He's been doing it for a while, apparently.
not the bennett kind of help -
he teaches victim hood -
no one needs that kind of help
Free camps to teach football, outreach on childhood obesity prevention, etc. Yeah, who needs that. [/sarcasm]
Just the opposite. He teaches kids to stand up for themselves.
No one needs bias like yours in lieu of reason.
by disrespecting the flag and the police?
That's the leftist way these days
By asserting his right, holding authority accountable, and speaking his piece.
You believe he was being disrespectful of the flag. I imagine he believes the flag represents principles he's defending. If the police in question behaved as alleged (and there's more reason to believe they did than didn't) then what measure of respect would that warrant?
[FONT="]
[/FONT]