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  • I guess seal of the meat is another way of saying osas.

    Or it could be a usda choice seal, who knows, never heard of 'seal of the meat' before other than usda seals.
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    • Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
      You don't seem to know what the verses are that you are speaking against.

      Glad to be of service.
      That is what happens when you just make things up like she does.
      Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

      Titus 1

      For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

      Ephesians 5

      11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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      • Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
        We all have a charge before God. We ought to deal with our own sin in honesty before God.

        You have an idea of "initial salvation". What do you mean by this?What did Paul mean in Romans 3:31?
        First of all, the only 'sin' that any believer has to deal with is unbelief.

        Initial salvatioin is when you believe...and, are saved as a babe in Christ...He wants to move you onto maturity...

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        • Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
          Where are you getting this "seal of the meat" from? Why are you saying, "we can never fall"?
          Originally posted by Me
          That is what happens when you just make things up like she does.
          Originally posted by graceandpeace View Post

          When we are saved; we are born again, and sealed with the holy spirit..we then go onward unto maturity, and when we are matured; we are sealed once again, with the seal of the meat.
          This is quite frankly, one of the dumbest things I have ever read anywhere, let alone a "theological debate".
          Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

          Titus 1

          For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

          Ephesians 5

          11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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          • Originally posted by graceandpeace View Post
            You can UNSEAL the milk:

            Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

            Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

            Hbr 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.


            Hbr 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

            The writer here had the same problem explaining this, as I do, because MOST are dull of hearing.

            Hbr 5:12 ¶ For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

            Some on this board need to return back to MILK, because their so called meat, as unsealed the very milk...(made it non effective), in other words, they have made grace and faith VOID...unsealing the milk of the word of God.




            Hbr 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

            Hbr 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


            It is the will of God to save us by the milk...we are sealed with the milk initially, but, IF we remove the MILK; unseal the milk, we have made faith void; and are in need to going back and learning the basic principals of the word, so we can be sealed in the milk once again.

            It is only those who do not undo the milk, but move on into the sealing of the meat that can never fall...for false gospels.
            So you are saying if you are yet a "babe" in Christ, you can lose your salvation, but if you have made it to meat by works, you get to keep it?
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            • Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

              Titus 1

              For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

              Ephesians 5

              11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                • Untellectual;3027557]Where are you getting this "seal of the meat" from? Why are you saying, "we can never fall"?It is difficult to know if you are thinking maturity is salvation or not.

                  Other than the other verses on it, that I am tired of posting...here is another:

                  'seal of meat':

                  1 Cr 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able.

                  Bold..the milk is unto salvation.
                  Yellow..the meat is unto maturity...but, these were not yet ready for it...they were not secure in even the milk, yet.



                  1Cr 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?


                  1Cr 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?


                  1Cr 3:5 ¶ Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?


                  1Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

                  Here Paul defines WHO can teach the meat; GOD, via the Holy Spirit...and, Paul wrote out a witness to what it is, in his writings...not to teach it to men; for he already knew he could not teach it to men...he didnt even receive it of men...no man can receive it of men!

                  It only comes with increase, as we each INDIVIDUALLY grow...via the Holy Spirit.



                  Those who are saved have the milk first and then the meat. It is not that we are saved by the milk.
                  Yes, we are only saved by understanding the milk...you cannot KNOW the meat, until you have the Holy Spirit.

                  It is the Holy Spirit that teaches you the meat...NOT men.

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                  • The whole REASON men are deceived, is because they allow other men's meat to take them OUT of the MILK that saved them.

                    Meat only comes by revelation of the Holy Spirit; as Paul taught..not by teachings of men, that so many are deceived through.

                    This is why Jesus said, "do not desire the meat that PERISHETH", He alone can teach you the meat.

                    I am done with this thread.....thanks for participating.

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                    • I archived this because this debate was historic.
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