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  • Enyart Supporter Claims Righteousness Comes Through the Law

    doogie, a ardent supporter of Enyart and plot materials, has recently stated:

    "Actually, you're quite mistaken. Scripture explicitly states, Therefore one WILL BE declared righteous in his sight by observing the law.'

    http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...325#post504325

    He says this despite what the apostle Paul stated...

    Romans 3

    Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law...

    Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

  • #2
    The apostle Paul continues...

    Romans 4

    t was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

    and

    Galatians 3

    ..know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

    Key word to note--no one.

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    • #3
      Why did you title this thread, "Enyart Supporter..."?

      Why do you start out by saying, "doogie, a ardent supporter of Enyart and plot materials..."

      Recently when Knight was discussing Open Theism, you criticized him for identifying himself as an Open Theist. You insisted that he should identify himself as a follower of Jesus Christ.

      doogieduff is a follower of Jesus Christ, yet you identify him not with Christ, but with Bob Enyart. Hypocrite.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Turbo

        Why did you title this thread, "Enyart Supporter..."?

        Why do you start out by saying, "doogie, a ardent supporter of Enyart and plot materials..."

        Recently when Knight was discussing Open Theism, you criticized him for identifying himself as an Open Theist. You insisted that he should identify himself as a follower of Jesus Christ.

        doogieduff is a follower of Jesus Christ, yet you identify him not with Christ, but with Bob Enyart. Hypocrite.
        Turbo,


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        "The [open view] is an attempt to provide a more Biblically faithful, rationally coherent, and practically satisfying account of God and the divine-human relationship..." - Dr. John Sanders

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        • #5
          Freak,

          What do you think is the purpose of the Mosaic Law? God was pretty specific about things that don't seem to matter to you...

          --Jeremy
          Do you desire to make all men see what is the Dispensation of the Mystery? (Eph 3:9)

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          • #6
            Why do you suppose that G-d is so small as to have only one purpose in anything He does?

            Mosic Law had many purposes. One, after the fall all creation was flawed. Mosic Law instructs us how to live with the highest possible results for our live, His teaching in the Torah makes us a people with a culture distinct on the earth, it helps us train ourselves to limits, it keeps us in a safe boundary to live in, it reveals Messiah, but after that reveiling, continues to lead us in how to live a redeemed life. The LORD's Feasts or the Feast of YHVH; when we do them; have us act out participate in activity that tells His story the way He wants.

            The Torah also makes us more discerning, it has much bibical prophesy that helps us understand, the prophets and such like Revelation. I'm sure there is more; becasue He is limitless like His Holy Word.

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            • #7
              And yes G-d was pretty specific in the Mosic Law; therefore if He were to resend any of it He would be likewise pretty specific. Since we see no specific instruction to ignore a law or teaching; what then do you suppose?

              Likewise Him being specific; where do you find a "new covenant" which would have been written out specifically like all the others in the "New Testament"?

              Hmmm?

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              • #8
                Behira,

                Not sure who your posts were intended for...

                The scope of this discussion is whether or not God asked the nation of Israel to keep His law by faith. I contend that circumcision believers were required to show that they had faith in God by keeping His law. Freak & Jerry contend that circumcision believers could attain righteousness by simply "believing" in God and rejecting His commands. They both have argued that Noah could have rejected God's command to build the ark, and still be saved. I argue, as does the Bible, that Noah showed that he had faith in God by following God's command and building the ark (Hebrews 11:7).

                --Jeremy
                Do you desire to make all men see what is the Dispensation of the Mystery? (Eph 3:9)

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                • #9
                  There is much, much worse:

                  Jesus, an ardent supporter of the Father, has recently stated in Matthew 25 (the parable of the sheep and goats) that people will be saved because they have fed the hungry, given drink to the thirsty, clothed the naked and taken in strangers.

                  And the guys didn't even know about the Lord.

                  Shall we crucify that Jesus?
                  Jesus son of the eternal God
                  Have pity on me!

                  Last words of blessed Michael Servetus on the stake

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                  • #10
                    And then there is a certain Luke, ardent supporter of Jesus, who wrote recently:

                    "A certain priest named Zacharias and his wife Elisabeth were both righteous before the Lord, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. "

                    (Luke 1:5-6)
                    Jesus son of the eternal God
                    Have pity on me!

                    Last words of blessed Michael Servetus on the stake

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                    • #11
                      So it's the word of Matthew and Luke against the word of Paul.

                      2 against one.
                      Jesus son of the eternal God
                      Have pity on me!

                      Last words of blessed Michael Servetus on the stake

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by *Acts9_12Out*

                        Freak,

                        What do you think is the purpose of the Mosaic Law? God was pretty specific about things that don't seem to matter to you...

                        --Jeremy
                        Actually the Bible tells us in the NT quite clearly the purpose of the law - it was a tutor to show us our need of His grace.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Turbo

                          doogieduff is a follower of Jesus Christ, yet you identify him not with Christ, but with Bob Enyart.
                          The Jesus, I know, along with the Father and Holy Spirit inspired Paul to pen these words...

                          Romans 3

                          Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law...

                          Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

                          Galatians 3

                          ..know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

                          Key word to note--no one.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by *Acts9_12Out*

                            Freak,

                            What do you think is the purpose of the Mosaic Law? God was pretty specific about things that don't seem to matter to you...

                            --Jeremy
                            Apparently you didn't read much in school. I gave you the answer via Scripture in my first post...

                            Romans 3

                            Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Berean Todd

                              Actually the Bible tells us in the NT quite clearly the purpose of the law - it was a tutor to show us our need of His grace.

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