Enyart Supporter Claims Righteousness Comes Through the Law

Freak · Apr 14, 2004

doogie, a ardent supporter of Enyart and plot materials, has recently stated:

"Actually, you're quite mistaken. Scripture explicitly states, Therefore one WILL BE declared righteous in his sight by observing the law.'

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=504325#post504325

He says this despite what the apostle Paul stated...

Romans 3

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law...

Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Freak · Apr 14, 2004

The apostle Paul continues...

Romans 4

t was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

and

Galatians 3

..know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Key word to note--no one.

Turbo · Apr 14, 2004

Why did you title this thread, "Enyart Supporter..."?

Why do you start out by saying, "doogie, a ardent supporter of Enyart and plot materials..."

Recently when Knight was discussing Open Theism, you criticized him for identifying himself as an Open Theist. You insisted that he should identify himself as a follower of Jesus Christ.

doogieduff is a follower of Jesus Christ, yet you identify him not with Christ, but with Bob Enyart. :down: Hypocrite.

Clete · Apr 14, 2004

Originally posted by Turbo

Why did you title this thread, "Enyart Supporter..."?

Why do you start out by saying, "doogie, a ardent supporter of Enyart and plot materials..."

Recently when Knight was discussing Open Theism, you criticized him for identifying himself as an Open Theist. You insisted that he should identify himself as a follower of Jesus Christ.

doogieduff is a follower of Jesus Christ, yet you identify him not with Christ, but with Bob Enyart. :down: Hypocrite.

Turbo,

:first: POTD

*Acts9_12Out* · Apr 15, 2004

Freak,

What do you think is the purpose of the Mosaic Law? God was pretty specific about things that don't seem to matter to you...

--Jeremy

Behira · Apr 15, 2004

Why do you suppose that G-d is so small as to have only one purpose in anything He does?

Mosic Law had many purposes. One, after the fall all creation was flawed. Mosic Law instructs us how to live with the highest possible results for our live, His teaching in the Torah makes us a people with a culture distinct on the earth, it helps us train ourselves to limits, it keeps us in a safe boundary to live in, it reveals Messiah, but after that reveiling, continues to lead us in how to live a redeemed life. The LORD's Feasts or the Feast of YHVH; when we do them; have us act out participate in activity that tells His story the way He wants.

The Torah also makes us more discerning, it has much bibical prophesy that helps us understand, the prophets and such like Revelation. I'm sure there is more; becasue He is limitless like His Holy Word.

Behira · Apr 15, 2004

And yes G-d was pretty specific in the Mosic Law; therefore if He were to resend any of it He would be likewise pretty specific. Since we see no specific instruction to ignore a law or teaching; what then do you suppose?

Likewise Him being specific; where do you find a "new covenant" which would have been written out specifically like all the others in the "New Testament"?

Hmmm?

*Acts9_12Out* · Apr 15, 2004

Behira,

Not sure who your posts were intended for...

The scope of this discussion is whether or not God asked the nation of Israel to keep His law by faith. I contend that circumcision believers were required to show that they had faith in God by keeping His law. Freak & Jerry contend that circumcision believers could attain righteousness by simply "believing" in God and rejecting His commands. They both have argued that Noah could have rejected God's command to build the ark, and still be saved. I argue, as does the Bible, that Noah showed that he had faith in God by following God's command and building the ark (Hebrews 11:7).

--Jeremy

jaguar_prince · Apr 15, 2004

There is much, much worse:

Jesus, an ardent supporter of the Father, has recently stated in Matthew 25 (the parable of the sheep and goats) that people will be saved because they have fed the hungry, given drink to the thirsty, clothed the naked and taken in strangers.

And the guys didn't even know about the Lord.

Shall we crucify that Jesus?

jaguar_prince · Apr 15, 2004

And then there is a certain Luke, ardent supporter of Jesus, who wrote recently:

"A certain priest named Zacharias and his wife Elisabeth were both righteous before the Lord, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. "

(Luke 1:5-6)

jaguar_prince · Apr 15, 2004

So it's the word of Matthew and Luke against the word of Paul.

2 against one.

Berean Todd · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by *Acts9_12Out*

Freak,

What do you think is the purpose of the Mosaic Law? God was pretty specific about things that don't seem to matter to you...

--Jeremy

Actually the Bible tells us in the NT quite clearly the purpose of the law - it was a tutor to show us our need of His grace.

Freak · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Turbo

doogieduff is a follower of Jesus Christ, yet you identify him not with Christ, but with Bob Enyart.

The Jesus, I know, along with the Father and Holy Spirit inspired Paul to pen these words...

Romans 3

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law...

Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Galatians 3

..know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Key word to note--no one.

Freak · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by *Acts9_12Out*

Freak,

What do you think is the purpose of the Mosaic Law? God was pretty specific about things that don't seem to matter to you...

--Jeremy

Apparently you didn't read much in school. I gave you the answer via Scripture in my first post...

Romans 3

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law...

Freak · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Berean Todd

Actually the Bible tells us in the NT quite clearly the purpose of the law - it was a tutor to show us our need of His grace.

:up:

smaller · Apr 15, 2004

Though I believe in the SALVATION OF ALL PEOPLE I also believe that THE LAW stands.

There is NO USE in denying the DIRECT WORDS OF GOD. Those who teach such things are TEACHERS OF LAWLESSNESS.

The question then is WHY does the LAW STAND? What purpose does it SERVE?

Another question is WHY can't people obey it ENTIRELY?

The answers to these questions are QUITE simple and elementary.

The LAW reveals the PRESENCE OF SIN that dwells in US ALL.

The LAW arouses THESE THINGS in us and CONFIRMS that SIN indwells us and that EVIL is present within us ALL.

On this basis alone THE LAW stands to THIS DAY and those who deny it ARE FALSE TEACHERS and LIARS and WORD denigrators.

You who think THE LAW is NOT FOR YOU are wrong. While it is true you will find NO LIFE granted by THE LAW you will CERTAINLY find the "revealing of the man of sin" who controls most of you.

enjoy!

smaller

Nathon Detroit · Apr 15, 2004

Re: Enyart Supporter Claims Righteousness Comes Through the Law

Originally posted by Freak

doogie, a ardent supporter of Enyart and plot materials, has recently stated:

"Actually, you're quite mistaken. Scripture explicitly states, Therefore one WILL BE declared righteous in his sight by observing the law.'

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=504325#post504325

He says this despite what the apostle Paul stated...

Romans 3

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law...

Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Mr. divisive strikes again!

:troll:

JoyfulRook · Apr 15, 2004

doogie is probably Larry (from BEL show "Can Larry Burn Forever") in disguise

Turbo · Apr 15, 2004

:nono:

JoyfulRook · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Turbo

:nono:

:doh:

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