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  • #16
    Re: That's justice for over 50,000 dead Americans?

    Originally posted by tralon
    Nuke em! Everyone of those countries dancing in the streets laughing at us.The only way to deal with an evil force is to meet it with force.
    I like what General Patton said," Your not here to die for your country, but your here to see the other bastard dies for his!" I couldn't agree more.
    I have done a lot of praying today. I will continue to do a lot of praying for the rest of my life too. I now pray that your post was supposed to be sarcastic and not meant as a real belief.

    The dead have no country anymore. The have only death. It matters not if it is 10,000 dead Americans, Iranians, Canadians, Austrians, Columbians, Britons, Soviets, Mexicans, Africans or any other nations. They belong now to God. Their former country is meaningless to them, and our grieving should be the same no matter who they were nor where they were born.

    Do not let country stand in the way of God. His people are His people reguardless of where they lived. I guarentee you Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists and whatever other religion you can think of all died in these attacks today. They all need the equal amount of prayers, as do their families.

    10,000+ souls died in these attacks. Not 10,000 plus Americans, but 10,000+ of Gods creation died, They are not OURS they are HIS.
    "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you."

    C.S. Lewis

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    • #17
      Warning, my brethren in Christ.

      Don't let this tragedy be used to further a one world government, either.

      Don't ask me to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with someone who does not believe that Christ is the only way to God, and don't expect me to give a false impression that living a life of sin is okay by shouting "down with the terrorists!" with the homosexuals.

      In this time of tragedy, more than anything else, realize that WE ALL NEED GOD!!!

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      • #18
        Hey don

        I don''t think you need to worry about standing shoulder to shoulder with homosexuals, or working with them either, I don't believe they can do you any harm from those positions.
        Matter of fact, if you can keep your pants on you should be ok.

        Seriouly we have some real enemies. If you want to hate some one, hate them. I personally can generate some pretty intense love for a homosexual cop who died to get people out of the WTC. Homosexual EMTs are welcome to save my life too.

        I think this attact has done for America what twenty years of peace could not, it has gone a long way toward healing the damage we did to ourselves in the Vietnam War. I find myself in whole hearted support of my government, even if it is headed by "W".
        "Not everything that is clever, is true."

        - - St Ephiram of Syria - -

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        • #19
          If you can still focus your discontent on the people that you believe aren't like you or aren't right with your god, then we are lost indeed. Because right now we have far greater concerns than that. What's worth saving if we can't come together and support each other on this, the day after the worst terrorist attack in history? Please, whatever you do, be kind to the Arab Americans and Arabs that are your friends. I'm scared for my friend Sarah who has lived in this country her entire life and who was threatened a great deal when the Murrah Federal building was bombed...she's Muslim and her family is from the middle east.

          I sat in my best friend's apartment all day yesterday, my mouth agape, over the footage I was watching on TV. Right now I can't believe it happened. It's like out of a movie. Last night when my friends and I went to IHOP after our plethora of meetings (Amnesty International, N.O.W., our gay/straight alliance, the environmental group, etc.) I could not conceive of the fact that the world trade center wasn't there anymore. And that we were sitting at IHOP, so comfortably, when there were people dying in the rubble of New York's formerly tallest landmark. Right now one of my closest female friends is unsure whether or not her ex-boyfriend is even still alive.

          If you can still waste your time condemning people in the midst of all this, you are a sorry person indeed. Because, when it all comes down to it, at our most basic, we are all alike: human.
          "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

          --Ben Franklin

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          • #20
            Bottom line.....

            .....if Mao Tse Tung and Chiang Kai Shaek could put their differences on hold during the 30's and 40's to defend themselves against Japan, then how difficult can it be to suspend our moral judgements against our neighbors for a time and stand together as one against this madness?.....
            "My wretchedness pointed Him to the Cross to unite with me; His blessing points me to the Cross where I can be united to Him. As I abide daily in Christ, I shall forever taste the Joy, Power, and Completeness of the Holy Spirit within me."

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            • #21
              It matters to this American

              This was Saving Grace's quote; "The dead have NO COUNTRY anymore. The have only death. It matters NOT if it is 10,000 dead Americans...."

              It matters to me some terrorist scumbags are free in this world and rejoicing over the deaths of thousands of Americans.It matters to me when I see the happy faces of Palestine people LAUGHING and rejoicing at the trajedy that has happened in America.It matters to me that over 200 brave New York firemen and policemen gave their lives to try to save others.These were DEFENSELESS American men, women and possibly CHILDREN. Does it matter? If it doesn't matter to you, then go back to your anti American country.And if there was a war, guess what? If I were younger and could enlist, I volunteer to be in the first wave.And if you were in my way, I roll over your anti american butt with the tracks of my tank and say back, "that's for the 50,000 dead you said that didn't matter."

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              • #22
                Tralon, you're missing the point. The point is that all these humans, people who lived and breathed and had family and friends, people who were religionists and atheists, people who were gay, straight, bisexual, or whatever...they're no longer with us. And that is a true tragedy. It's not anti-American to say that their nationality is unimportant. It's just a fact. Their nationality is unimportant now. It doesn't matter if they were American, Mexican, Korean, Indian, or whatever. It would be just as great a tragedy to me if it were 10,000 Japanese who had died yesterday. What matters is that they are deceased and that there are people who lost someone yesterday. There are people who lost more than one loved one yesterday. What matters is that we rescue people for as long as we can. What matters is that we remain civilized and don't take out our anger over the situation on our brothers and sisters who are from the middle east and had no part in this tragedy. What matters is that we support each other and love each other and respect each other. This is a time to unite, not to divide.
                "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

                --Ben Franklin

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by D__o__n
                  Warning, my brethren in Christ.

                  Don't let this tragedy be used to further a one world government, either.

                  Don't ask me to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with someone who does not believe that Christ is the only way to God, and don't expect me to give a false impression that living a life of sin is okay by shouting "down with the terrorists!" with the homosexuals.

                  In this time of tragedy, more than anything else, realize that WE ALL NEED GOD!!!
                  How would you ever know if you were? Do you HONESTLY believe the stereotypes on TV?

                  Homosexuality isn't branded on a person. Many work side by side with us, go to the bar with us, come over and eat dinner with us, and we NEVER know unless they decide to tell us.

                  If you can't stand shoulder to shoulder with everyone in unity against evil, then maybe you aren't standing as close to Christ as you think/presume.
                  "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you."

                  C.S. Lewis

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                  • #24
                    Re: It matters to this American

                    Originally posted by tralon
                    This was Saving Grace's quote; "The dead have NO COUNTRY anymore. The have only death. It matters NOT if it is 10,000 dead Americans...."

                    It matters to me some terrorist scumbags are free in this world and rejoicing over the deaths of thousands of Americans.It matters to me when I see the happy faces of Palestine people LAUGHING and rejoicing at the trajedy that has happened in America.It matters to me that over 200 brave New York firemen and policemen gave their lives to try to save others.These were DEFENSELESS American men, women and possibly CHILDREN. Does it matter? If it doesn't matter to you, then go back to your anti American country.And if there was a war, guess what? If I were younger and could enlist, I volunteer to be in the first wave.And if you were in my way, I roll over your anti american butt with the tracks of my tank and say back, "that's for the 50,000 dead you said that didn't matter."
                    That's two tralon. I fought in my war. You never fought in ANYTHING. I fought for the US in Panama. I was their for 5 years prior to that. I enlisted of my own vololition. I went to Korea to protect the US. Olympians.

                    What have YOU done? You sit here and whine about what you WOULD do, when you KNOW you can't do it. I went out and DID it!

                    You are still in the first wave, tralon. You are in the first wave of racist who will condemn the innocent for the deaths of the innocent before finding out the truth. God pray you never get jury duty, or have your hands in a critical thinking situation, because you sure have shown critical thinking is NOT a strong point with you.
                    "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you."

                    C.S. Lewis

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                    • #25
                      Isn't that sweet? (tone is sarcastic for those that don't catch it)

                      Because I say "don't ask me to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with homosexuals," y'all automatically assume that I'm full of "hatred" and that I'm "condemning" people.

                      Nothing is further from the truth. Except maybe y'all.

                      'Cause the truth is, ya ain't gettin inta heaven on your good looks. Ya ain't gettin inta heaven because you denounced the tragedy that was heaped upon us yesterday. And standing shoulder-to-shoulder with those that say YOU ain't gettin inta heaven because you don't worship their version of God, and/or giving the appearance of acceptance of evil by standing with those that openly sin, ain't gonna get ya inta heaven, either.

                      There is only one way into heaven, and it's being offered to you even as you read this; not by me, but by God Himself.

                      If I say "don't expect me to give a false impression that living a life of sin is okay by shouting "down with the terrorists!" with the homosexuals," THAT'S what I'm railing against. Not that he/she is a homosexual, but that they're sinning in the eyes of God.

                      So pay attention to what I'm saying, and not what you think I'm saying based on your narrow-minded preconceived notions, or what you want me to be saying to give credence to your "everyone can get to heaven in their own way" crapola.

                      And don't worry; I don't hate anyone. I love them enough to tell them they're doing wrong, but I don't hate anyone. Hate is a work of the flesh, and is expressly mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21 as something we should avoid.

                      And as for your Arab friends...I feel for them. They're in danger right now from intellectually-challenged redneck dweebs who see only their nationality, and don't care whether they were involved with or supported the tragedy....

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by D__o__n
                        Isn't that sweet? (tone is sarcastic for those that don't catch it)

                        Because I say "don't ask me to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with homosexuals," y'all automatically assume that I'm full of "hatred" and that I'm "condemning" people.

                        Nothing is further from the truth. Except maybe y'all.

                        'Cause the truth is, ya ain't gettin inta heaven on your good looks. Ya ain't gettin inta heaven because you denounced the tragedy that was heaped upon us yesterday. And standing shoulder-to-shoulder with those that say YOU ain't gettin inta heaven because you don't worship their version of God, and/or giving the appearance of acceptance of evil by standing with those that openly sin, ain't gonna get ya inta heaven, either.

                        There is only one way into heaven, and it's being offered to you even as you read this; not by me, but by God Himself.

                        If I say "don't expect me to give a false impression that living a life of sin is okay by shouting "down with the terrorists!" with the homosexuals," THAT'S what I'm railing against. Not that he/she is a homosexual, but that they're sinning in the eyes of God.

                        So pay attention to what I'm saying, and not what you think I'm saying based on your narrow-minded preconceived notions, or what you want me to be saying to give credence to your "everyone can get to heaven in their own way" crapola.

                        And don't worry; I don't hate anyone. I love them enough to tell them they're doing wrong, but I don't hate anyone. Hate is a work of the flesh, and is expressly mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21 as something we should avoid.

                        And as for your Arab friends...I feel for them. They're in danger right now from intellectually-challenged redneck dweebs who see only their nationality, and don't care whether they were involved with or supported the tragedy....
                        Noce song. I liked it in sunday school. Very inapropriate here though.

                        You don't hate ANYONE, yet you say "And for your arab friends..." You have tried judged and found guilty and condemned an entire race for the acts of a few. But that isn't hate. It never is to people who deny their hate.

                        We asked for unity. Can you HONESTLY say you have never shaken hands with a homosexual? That none of your friends are homosexual? Co-workers?

                        The fact is you do hate. It is of the flesh, and you allow it to rule you too. I don't really care who you stand shoulder and shoulder with as long as you DO stand shoulder to shoulder.

                        The "arabs" as you think, didn't do this. Certain individuals born into that race probably did. I have arab friends, and doctors, and cops, and firefighters. they are as outraged as I am. But to YOU they are all the same. The ARABS did it. Well, to those who are dancing in the street, the AMERICANS did it. Funny how you and they think the same. Don't you notice the similarities?

                        Those who did this will be found. They will be punished. But they are NOT an entire nation nor an entire people. Just like we have rednecks, radicals, white supremists, shristians who support, christians who reject, ....et all. Basically people who think millions of different ways on the same subject, they do too. NO RACE CAN BE GROUPED AND STEREOTYPED! To do so, lets yourself open to hate.

                        So you hate. Now deny it and see how much better your life can be.
                        "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you."

                        C.S. Lewis

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                        • #27
                          Remember what you said

                          Just remember what you said. if some of your terrorists friends blow up your wife or children in a plane or building someday? See if you'll be so understanding then eh? As for being a war vet, I don't believe that either.Next, you'll tell me you commanded a crew of Apache helicopters. The real hereos are dead, while big mouths like you brag about what they never did at all.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Remember what you said

                            Originally posted by tralon
                            Just remember what you said. if some of your terrorists friends blow up your wife or children in a plane or building someday? See if you'll be so understanding then eh? As for being a war vet, I don't believe that either.Next, you'll tell me you commanded a crew of Apache helicopters. The real hereos are dead, while big mouths like you brag about what they never did at all.
                            Well, that post was chock full of Christian love and tolerance and that turning the other cheek stuff. Are you ever capable of thinking rationally?
                            "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

                            --Ben Franklin

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                            • #29
                              Re: Remember what you said

                              Originally posted by tralon
                              Just remember what you said. if some of your terrorists friends blow up your wife or children in a plane or building someday? See if you'll be so understanding then eh? As for being a war vet, I don't believe that either.Next, you'll tell me you commanded a crew of Apache helicopters. The real hereos are dead, while big mouths like you brag about what they never did at all.
                              I really don't care what you believe. You are someone who NEVER volunteered for ANYTHING in his entire life, but sits beside the TV and screams about the injustice in the world. You will NEVER do anything about it, just whine like a litle girl.

                              You disgust me. You cry about christianity, but you know nothing about it. You talk the talk, but have spent your life too cowardly to walk the walk. Shut up and do something or just shut up.
                              "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you."

                              C.S. Lewis

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                              • #30
                                i just wanted to post this...

                                I wrote this in about 20 minutes for honors English today because we had to write about the recent tragedies. I dunno if anyone will find meaning in it, but it really does mean something.

                                You'll probably notice I did a little BS in there and some 'story-esque' stuff because heck, everyone needs a good grade

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                                Tuesday morning I woke up and the clock said 6:07. I wake up around that time every day but when I went to get my towel so I could take a shower my mom said something along the lines about watching the news for a minute. I dropped the towel and went downstairs, still not quite awake. I looked at the colorful rectangle that is the screen of our television and saw the 767 fly into the exterior wall of the World Trade Center. I didn’t immediately recognize how horrific this event was. The first thing that shook me was that the world had just changed. Terrorists had showed up our entire government using public transportation. Things like this happen every day in movies and on television and in our minds. They aren’t supposed to happen in real life.
                                So there goes reality. I almost missed the bus because I was watching the news, waiting for a number like everyone else. On the bus ride to school I was hit with how every news station was spitting out numbers, and I thought how that was all we had left. It is much easier to take things quantitatively that qualitatively, because numbers seem so solid, but so abstract at the same time. If I told you your mother died it is much harder than telling you that one person died. The public wanted numbers, not names. Except the ones who knew they were going to suffer for the answers. The politicians said that terrorists are trying to create chaos. I learned in a very real way for the first time on Tuesday that nothing is perfect.
                                The politicians are trying to declare war. People aren’t the problem it is the concept of terrorism that is the problem. How do you declare war against an idea? How do you defeat an idea? The only way to crush one idea is with another. You can’t physically attack an idea. You can attack the people who started it, but the idea won’t go away. When I first read this bit of philosophy I thought, “Right. So we need an idea to stop terrorism.” The problem with that is, it is actually the other way around. Terrorism is an idea to stop establishment, a solution for something that doesn’t seem like a problem in the first place. Problems are relative.
                                The problem for the terrorists could have been a lot of things. It could be establishment, religion, capitalism, or retaliation for past occurrences. The list goes on. For the U.S. the problem is the terrorists, the concept of terrorism, the attacks on innocent civilians, the list extends further here too. What seems almost comical about it is that after all this time we’re still following Hammurabi’s code. We still think an eye for an eye is the best way. Shakespeare once said, “The rarer action lies in virtue not in vengeance.” In principal everyone agrees that it is best to forgive and forget. No one is going to forget where they were when they found out the World Trade Center went down. I was waking up. It was 6:07.

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