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Continuing to contest the 'eternal conscious torment' in 'hell' THEORY...........

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There are three reasons why Hell is eternal.

Reason 1: There is no other way.

Jesus asked His Father, in the garden before he was taken to be executed, if there was any other way to bring salvation to mankind. Three times, He asked the Father if there was any other way:

Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the disciples, “Sit here while I go and pray over there.”And He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and He began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed.Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.”He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “What! Could you not watch with Me one hour?Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done.”And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy.So He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. - Matthew 26:36-44 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

He asked that if there was any other way that the cup of responsibility be passed from Him, but since there was no other way, because the debt that sin generates against the demands of justice is infinite, and only someone with infinite worth could pay that debt.
The whole 'infinite' equation to so called 'sin' and 'punishment' doesn't hold water, and only is 'assumed' by various intellectual gymnastics and presuppositions. The gospel narrative here concerns Jesus own personal path in his service to 'God', while varied opinions carry on about just what his 'dying' accomplished. - different 'atonement' models can be assumed.


Reason 2:

Love must be freely given.

If love can be compelled, if a woman just doesn't like a man, and he's been pursuing her and finds a way to give her a pill that now she likes him, if that were somehow ok, and not grotesque, well then maybe we could think that love could be compelled. But love cannot be compelled. Love must be freely given.
Dont forget that divine LOVE is INFINITE. Our human expression or experience of such is limited, circumscribed and relative. God's is not. When you consider the infinity of love itself, perhaps you wouldnt put restrictions on it, since such a love is unconditional and unqualified in its very essence.

As far as a 'relational exchange' between two personalities, yes....that love may be 'conditional' in some respects with 'response-ability' and how both 'relate' and enjoy each other's friendship.

Reason 3:

The Bible emphatically tells us that those who reject God will live forever in separation from Him.

If the punishment for sin was finite, if it was not eternal separation from God, then surely God, in all His creativity, could come up with a payment for salvation, something other than the life of His only Son. For there is nothing in all of existence, more precious, more valuable, of greater worth, of limitless atonement, than the life of God the Son, yet God the Son became flesh, dwelt among us, then offered Himself on the cross, was separated from the Father (which is death), the Father poured out His wrath on the Son to pay for our sin.

Again, the proposition above is all based on a premise of some 'sin' concept that must be 'atoned' for vicariously
by Christ, which introduces other problems into the equation which would not exist if this 'model' were not imposed. I know this is a thread debating 'biblical' interpretations, but there are more than one, and since we are in open discussion, some that are problematic can be questioned.

Also, since 'God' is the one underlying fundamental reality that sustains all conscious existence, all that is.....and is OMNIPRESENT....one could not be anymore seperated from 'God' (Source-energy) than a drop of water could be seperate from the OCEAN it derives its existence from, being ONE with IT.

Just a few thoughts for now,...as I've covered this in its various aspects earlier in my ECT Blog-portal here

I will continue to reiterate, that infinite love must by nature continue on into infinity, and have within it infinite potential. This means that love will continue to be what it IS no matter what choices or effects an individual soul is bringing into its own experience that seems to obscure, quench or confuse this 'love', AND since Love's will is always unchanging, Love will continue to be....and ACT towards a soul, as long as any soul has the capacity, opportunity and ability to RESPOND to that love.

Hence God's love continues ON and ON into eternity, and fills completely and utterly the fullness of infinity. - any 'conditioning' on love or the experience of it, must be relative, limited, temporal, non-ultimate......UNLESS a soul COULD choose for itself a final and eternal death (disintegration/annihilation) of conscious existence as a 'person', by a complete rejection of life, and consummate embrace of iniquity, which naturally results in DEATH, in the ultimate sense for that individual life-stream. However, getting into the metaphysics of this is a complex matter, and certainly goes much DEEPER than any mere literal surface reading of certain verses in the Bible...which I go somewhat into in former commentary

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