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The creative WORD.........

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Quote Originally Posted by daqq View Post
Amen Freelight,

The personification of the Memra or "the Word" originally comes from the Targums, (see Jewish Encyclopedia, Memra, for a primer), and the personification of the Logos is no doubt an expansion of that understanding. I do believe it all derives from Psalm 40, which is a "new song" about an old scroll which is about to be retired, (its "iniquities" are not iniquities but tatters, rips, and tears; in other words, as one of the meanings in the definition states, "contortions", and that is why the author of the epistle to the Hebrews sees no problem in applying the passage to Messiah). Think about this as you read and study the entire Psalm in your quiet time.

This is a Torah Scroll, the Word, coming into the world:

Psalm 40:7-8
6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire; mine earlets you have punctured-pierced: burnt offering and sin offering you have not requested.
7 Then said I, Behold, I come: in the mgillat-header of the Sefer it is written concerning me.
8 I delight to do your will, O my Elohim: your Torah is within my inward parts.

Hebrews 10:5-7
5 Wherefore when he enters into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body have you prepare for me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you had no pleasure:
7 Then said I, Behold, I am come, in the κεφαλιδι-header of the Sefer it is written concerning me: I delight to do your will, O Elohim.


In the mgillat-kephalidi-header of the Sefer it is written concerning me . . .
That is, the crown-header of the Sefer, in the right hand side, Breshiyt-Genesis 1:1-5.

Notice he pierces or punctures "earlets" into the ends of the scroll with an awl, (or aul). However the entire roll is comprised of many souls having been "knit together" as one, (and we know as in the case with Paul, μεμβρανας, which are lambskin parchments, 2Tim 4:13). Thus the Hebrew, (Psalm 40:6), and the Greek, (Psalm 40:6 OG LXX [39:7] has ωτια, "earlets", while Hebrews 10:5 has σωμα-body), are both correct because the "body", (σωμα), of Heb 10:5 is a metonymy for the entire "volume" of the "body" of the scroll, (κεφαλιδι-κεφαλις is rendered "volume" in the KJV but is also used in the LXX for chapiters, crowns, headers, and may even refer to a "head chapter" or header in a writing). That is precisely what this is; the header or head-section of the scroll, like a crown or the chapiter of the Sefer, (Genesis 1:1-5). Thus the lower σταυρος-stave borne by Shimon Kurenaio is of the erets-land-earth, (Genesis 1:1), while the top σταυρος-stave borne by Messiah reaches to the shamayim-heavens, (Genesis 1:1).

And what do we find at the right hand side in the κεφαλιδι header of the Scroll?

Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning Elohim cut-down-created the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and Ruach Elohim brooded upon the face of the waters.
3 And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And Elohim saw the light, that it was good: and Elohim divided the light from the darkness.
5 And Elohim called the light, Yom, and the darkness He called Night. And there is evening, and there is morning: Yom Echad.

In the mgillat-kephalidi header of the Sefer it is written concerning me:
Ruach Elohim - the Memra - the Logos - the Word - the Yonah

1 John 1:1-2
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have beheld, and which our hands have handled, concerns the Word of life.
2 And the life was made manifest, and we have seen, and bear witness, and we announce unto you the life αιωνιον which was with the Father, and was made manifest unto us.

Excellent points, - on the Jewish tradition of the 'word', the
MEMRA (= "Ma'amar" or "Dibbur,"): - correlates to the 'logos' from a greek philosophical perspective in Johns's writing, embodied in the Messiah-Son, which also corresponds with the divine wisdom (Chokmah/Sophia) that existed with God from the beginning, the 'logos' being that creative intelligence at the heart of all, guiding, directing, orchestrating creation. As I noted earlier, this 'word' also has 'breath' and 'voice'. I recall some of the ancient Kaballistic texts speaking on this, which are most wonderful, I believe the Sefer Yetzirah specifically - the 'logos' carries the key-notes of creation, whereby all is brought in to concert with the will of Spirit.

Considering this creative word concept within all the various religious traditions (Its Universal!),...the 'memra/dibbur', 'logos', 'word', also correlates with the Hindu 'om' (A-U-M) and a similar Sanskrit word 'shabda/shabad'...expanded more in the Sikh tradition, which also correlates to the holy 'naam' (name) of Deity. In some respects the logos also bears similarities to the 'tao' of Taoism as well. So, we have the universal sound-vibration or current spoken out of from Brahman (Supreme Spirit/Creator), which orchestrates and brings into form, the material creation, the cosmos and its dispensations - this is one of the most awesome subjects actually, since in the totality of existence, there is but 'God' and His 'Word',...'God' and the 'creation' of 'God'. All that Spirit-consciousness....and its creative expressions in space/time,, form and substance. There is only the Matrix and its offsprings. - if you look at my signature, there is the Sanskrit "om" (a-u-m) symbol (which has much detailed symbolism with its parts as well),....since my eastern religious studies have impressed upon me various universal and cosmic truths, which further charts my explorations in the ancient wisdom (theosophical schools) and modern New Thought traditions. The contemplation and study of the 'creative word' is both fundamental and universal.

All movement, direction and destiny of creation, is according to the memra, logos, word, om, shabda, tao of the SOUL at the heart of and genesis of Creation, it is all born out from SOURCE. On the level of actual and potential reality, the absolute and the relative,....there is Only CREATOR(creative spirit, infinite intelligence)....and CREATION(expression of potentials inherent in spirit-energy-consciousness). - the logos is the relating principle.

The above is from a dialogue on daqq's 'Logos-Word' thread here

Updated March 17th, 2017 at 12:52 AM by freelight

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