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Squeaky
November 27th, 2013, 02:24 PM
GRACE -UNCILISITED MERCY-NEW TESTAMENT-THE LAW OF CHRIST
Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:16-17
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:11
11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
Acts 20:32
32 "So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Rom 1:5-6
5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
Rom 3:24
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
Rom 5:1-2
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:15
15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
Rom 5:17-20
17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
Rom 5:21
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
I Jn 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
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xxxGrace is uncilisted mercy. Grace is a new way thought up by God, we dont deserve it, we have not earned it, we didnt even think of it but God gave it to us-a new way the new testament. God looked down on us and said them dummies arent getting it I have to think of a new way. The new testament is our Grace. Now within the new testament there are commandments. Jesus brought us the new testament, this is how Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Not knowing what the gift of grace was, so many are useing grace as an excuse to sin. Grace is not a way to justify sin, it is a better way to get rid of sin.

John 15:13-14
13 "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
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Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
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John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
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God didnt do away with the idea of what He says is law, He just changed the law. And only for those who have faith in the new law.

Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
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1 Cor 15:9-11
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
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Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
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Titus 2:11-13
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
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Rom 5:16
16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
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Squeaky
November 27th, 2013, 02:25 PM
OLD TESTAMENT LAW OR NEW TESTAMENT LAW-NOT BOTH

James 2:10
10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Gal 5:3-5
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Rom 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Gal 3:24-25
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 2:16
16 "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
1 Cor 9:20-21
20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law;
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 9:31-33
31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, and whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Gal 5:18
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Gal 5:22-24
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
James 1:25
25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

Rom 8:8
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
2 Cor 1:22
22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Eph 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
2 Cor 6:1
1 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Phil 2:16
16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Gal 3:3-5
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have you suffered so many things in vain-- if indeed it was in vain?
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?--
Gal 3:11-13
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),
1 Cor 15:55-56
55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
Rom 4:14-15
14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,
15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
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xxxThe old testament is the law of sin and death. The new testament is the law of Christ. You should make a choice of which one to live by, because no one can keep both of them together. And most mess up by mixing them together. Most dont understand that our grace is the new testament law of Christ. It takes a law to keep you out of heaven, and it takes a law to get you into heaven. Jesus brought over to the new testament parta of the old testament. But if you keep any part of the old testament that hasnt been brought over by Jesus you have fallen from grace.


Gal 5:1-4

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
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II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
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Squeaky
November 27th, 2013, 02:29 PM
LAW OF CHRIST
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
JOH 15-10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His love.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 14:1
1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
Luke 6:37-38
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
38 "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
John 3:17-19
17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 10:7-8
7 Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9:1
1 Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary.
Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Eph 4:32
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you.
Col 3:13
13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
1 Cor 6:6-8
6 But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers!
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?
8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!
1 Pet 2:19-21
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
James 2:12
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
Rom 2:12-13
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
Matt 5:19
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 10:16-19
16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
17 "But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues.
18 "You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.
19 "But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak;
John 14:15-17
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
16 "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever--
17 "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 14:23-25
23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
John 15:10-12
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
11 "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full.
12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
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1 Cor 9:21
21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law;
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Matt 5:19-20
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Squeaky
November 27th, 2013, 02:35 PM
LAW OF FAITH

Rom 3:27-28
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Col 1:27-29
27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.
29 To this end I also labor, striving according to His working which works in me mightily.
Matt 11:25
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
1 Cor 1:19-20
19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Cor 1:21
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
Matt 13:9-14
9 "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
12 "For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
John 9:40-41
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?"
41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains.
John 9:39
39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Gal 3:11-12
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
Acts 13:38-39
38 "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;
39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Mark 2:17
17 When Jesus heard it, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."
Gal 2:19-21
19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 3:1-5
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have you suffered so many things in vain-- if indeed it was in vain?
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?--
Gal 3:12
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
Rom 3:27-28
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Col 1:24-26
24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,
25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God,
26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
2 Cor 3:4-6
4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God.
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Matt 10:16-19
16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
17 "But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues.
18 "You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.
19 "But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak;
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xxx Faith is spiritual strength that is given to us by God for believing His Word. We use that spiritual strength to obey what the Word tells us to. And when we reject our feelings and emotions(unclean spirits) we will suffer wrongfully. And we will need spiritual strength to resist the flesh. And when our spiritual strength falls short we turn to God for His strength. The law of faith is we know that when He see's us suffering in obedience He will step in and hold us up.

Squeaky
December 24th, 2013, 08:17 AM
Do you know what grace is? Or how it works? Or who it is for?

tomlapalm
December 27th, 2013, 08:31 PM
Grace is not unsolicited mercy

Grace is getting what you don't deserve.

Mercy is NOT getting what you DO deserve

Squeaky
December 27th, 2013, 09:25 PM
Grace is not unsolicited mercy

Grace is getting what you don't deserve.

Mercy is NOT getting what you DO deserve

I said
If your going to make a statement like that against all them revelations your going to have to have some bible support.
And I don't see any. Your own opinion is worthless against the
Word of God. Your like a grade school student argueing with a college professor.

Jacob
December 27th, 2013, 09:35 PM
Do you know what grace is? Or how it works? Or who it is for?Romans 11:6 NASB - But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Angel4Truth
December 27th, 2013, 09:36 PM
Grace is unmerited favor

Jacob
December 27th, 2013, 09:39 PM
xxxThe old testament is the law of sin and death. The new testament is the law of Christ.
Luke 12:5 NASB - "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

Romans 6:23 NASB - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 8:2 NASB - For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

Hebrews 10:26 NASB - For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 NASB - but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

Hebrews 10:28 NASB - Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Hebrews 10:29 NASB - How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 10:30 NASB - For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."

Hebrews 10:31 NASB - It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Jacob
December 27th, 2013, 09:58 PM
Romans 2:4 NASB - Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

tomlapalm
December 28th, 2013, 08:42 AM
I said
If your going to make a statement like that against all them revelations your going to have to have some bible support.
And I don't see any. Your own opinion is worthless against the
Word of God. Your like a grade school student argueing with a college professor.

You are ignorant.

It is not a Bible issue .It is a simple English definition of two words.
Grace
(in Christian belief) the free and unmerited favor of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings
Mercy
: compassion or forbearance shown especially to an offender or to one subject to one's power; also : lenient or compassionate treatment

Repeat
Grace is getting what we do not deserve

Mercy is NOT GETTING what we do deserve.

You are not a college professor. but I have interviewed for that level,

I am not a grade school student. You act like one , when challenged , attack the messenger, rather that the instruction.

You are like an acquaintance I knew as a teenager. A group of boys played basketball after church. A new guy mentioned He played at home and was good. Of course, He only played by himself, with no comparison to anyone else, no instruction. When he played with us, some of whom played on organized teams, had constant instruction, and application of that instruction, he did not do well. He found out he was not good at all. Of course we were kind and tried to help him get better.

You are in a similar fashion, you are all alone with no instruction you do not know the basics and it shows on TOL.
You are only correct in your mind.

Squeaky
December 28th, 2013, 04:00 PM
Romans 2:4 NASB - Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

I said
That's right. Now what is repentance for? For breaking some law.
What leads you to repentance?
A law.
What determines you need to repent? A law.
Why would anyone repent if you didn't break a law?

Jacob
December 28th, 2013, 04:32 PM
I said
That's right. Now what is repentance for? For breaking some law.
What leads you to repentance?
A law.
What determines you need to repent? A law.
Why would anyone repent if you didn't break a law?God wants men everywhere to repent.

tomlapalm
December 28th, 2013, 05:09 PM
I said
That's right. Now what is repentance for? For breaking some law.
What leads you to repentance?
A law.
What determines you need to repent? A law.
Why would anyone repent if you didn't break a law?

One doesn't repent for breaking any law, we repent when we realize we ARE sinners that break laws.


We as Christians might need to repent for things unrelated to the Law. Sins of commission and omission. If the Holy Spirit say witness to the bagboy at the grocery and we do not, It is sin. This is certainly not in the Law

Jam 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

The Law, is about not doing wrong things. A Christian has a higher responsibility to go the correct things for good.

If a Christian is living by trying to keep a law, it is legalism and idolatry.

Jacob
December 28th, 2013, 05:12 PM
There are laws that are good to keep.

tomlapalm
December 28th, 2013, 06:02 PM
There are laws that are good to keep.

yes, but if do right just to keep a law, we are wrong. We do good and don't do wrong because of our love for Christ, not because of a ledger somewhere.

Jacob
December 28th, 2013, 06:11 PM
yes, but if do right just to keep a law, we are wrong. We do good and don't do wrong because of our love for Christ, not because of a ledger somewhere.The law helps us to know what is right and what is wrong. We are instructed in what to do and not to do by the law.

tomlapalm
December 28th, 2013, 06:43 PM
The law helps us to know what is right and what is wrong. We are instructed in what to do and not to do by the law.

yes but our motivation is not the negative consequences of the Law, but the positive consequences of honoring God.

Jacob
December 28th, 2013, 07:11 PM
yes but our motivation is not the negative consequences of the Law, but the positive consequences of honoring God.And God honors those who observe His commands.

Squeaky
December 28th, 2013, 09:42 PM
There are laws that are good to keep.

I said
Well you have a choice.
OLD TESTAMENT LAW OR NEW TESTAMENT LAW-NOT BOTH

James 2:10
10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Gal 5:3-5
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Rom 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Gal 3:24-25
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 2:16
16 "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
1 Cor 9:20-21
20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law;
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 9:31-33
31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, and whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Gal 5:18
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Gal 5:22-24
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
James 1:25
25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

Rom 8:8
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
2 Cor 1:22
22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Eph 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
2 Cor 6:1
1 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Phil 2:16
16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Gal 3:3-5
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have you suffered so many things in vain-- if indeed it was in vain?
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?--
Gal 3:11-13
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),
1 Cor 15:55-56
55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
Rom 4:14-15
14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,
15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
(NKJ)

xxxThe old testament is the law of sin and death. The new testament is the law of Christ. You should make a choice of which one to live by, because no one can keep both of them together. And most mess up by mixing them together. Most dont understand that our grace is the new testament law of Christ. It takes a law to keep you out of heaven, and it takes a law to get you into heaven. Jesus brought over to the new testament parta of the old testament. But if you keep any part of the old testament that hasnt been brought over by Jesus you have fallen from grace.


Gal 5:1-4

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(NKJ)


II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
December 28th, 2013, 09:44 PM
yes but our motivation is not the negative consequences of the Law, but the positive consequences of honoring God.

I said
My motivation is fear.
FEAR THE LORD GOD THE FATHER NOT THE Lord JESUS
Acts 9:31
31 Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied.
Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
1 Pet 1:17-19
17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear;
18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
Heb 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 10:1
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
John 5:37-38
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
John 6:29
29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
John 6:44-46
44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
Matt 15:13
13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Rev 21:8
8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Rev 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 20:15
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Luke 12:4-5
4 "And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!
Acts 10:35
35 "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:18
18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Rom 3:21-23
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Mark 5:33-34
33 But the woman, fearing and trembling, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell down before Him and told Him the whole truth.
34 And He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction."
Luke 8:47-48
47 Now when the woman saw that she was not hidden, she came trembling; and falling down before Him, she declared to Him in the presence of all the people the reason she had touched Him and how she was healed immediately.
48 And He said to her, "Daughter, be of good cheer; your faith has made you well. Go in peace."
Acts 9:6-7
6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?" And the Lord said to him, "Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."
7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one.
Acts 16:29-31
29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.
30 And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
1 Cor 2:2-3
2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling.
2 Cor 7:15
15 And his affections are greater for you as he remembers the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling you received him.
Phil 2:12-13
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Heb 12:21
21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.")
Rev 14:6-7
6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-- to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people--
7 saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."
Heb 4:1
1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
Heb 12:24-29
24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
25 See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven,
26 whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven."
27 Now this, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
(NKJ)
xxxxx It takes the fear of God to obey some of the commandments. To fear man weakens your desire to obey God. But if you can find the fear of God in you, that will weaken your fear of man so you can obey God.



Isa 66:1-2

1 Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest?
2 For all those things My hand has made, and all those things exist," says the LORD. "But on this one will I look: on him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at My word.
(NKJ)


Matt 18:34-35
34 "And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 "So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses."
(NKJ)


1 Tim 5:20
20 Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.
(NKJ)


2 Cor 7:1

1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
(NKJ)

Jacob
December 29th, 2013, 12:07 AM
I said
Well you have a choice.
OLD TESTAMENT LAW OR NEW TESTAMENT LAW-NOT BOTH

xxxThe old testament is the law of sin and death. The new testament is the law of Christ. You should make a choice of which one to live by, because no one can keep both of them together. And most mess up by mixing them together. Most dont understand that our grace is the new testament law of Christ. It takes a law to keep you out of heaven, and it takes a law to get you into heaven. Jesus brought over to the new testament parta of the old testament. But if you keep any part of the old testament that hasnt been brought over by Jesus you have fallen from grace.For all the command in the Old Testament I do not know if any of them have been negated in the New Testament. I know the New Testament standard is expressed as higher than the Old Testament standard, and that God remains the same.

tomlapalm
December 29th, 2013, 06:08 AM
Psa 70:4
Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: and let such as love thy salvation say continually, Let God be magnified.

We do not fear God once we are redeemed. He is our loving Father

2Ti 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Rom 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

fishrovmen
December 29th, 2013, 07:21 AM
Someone once told me that fear is having the proper response to the fear source. It is not about cowering and trembling, being afraid to make a mistake that God is just waiting to punish.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

tomlapalm
December 29th, 2013, 08:22 AM
God is not "just waiting to punish" He is a loving Father. He would rather we didn't do wrong and repent but we obey in the first place

Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Squeaky
December 29th, 2013, 10:56 AM
For all the command in the Old Testament I do not know if any of them have been negated in the New Testament. I know the New Testament standard is expressed as higher than the Old Testament standard, and that God remains the same.

I said
You now have a small idea of just how deceived they were in the old testament. And how people today are still deceived by the old testament.

2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
December 29th, 2013, 11:00 AM
Psa 70:4
Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: and let such as love thy salvation say continually, Let God be magnified.

We do not fear God once we are redeemed. He is our loving Father

2Ti 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Rom 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

I said
You do what you like, I'm going to hold onto that fear.

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.
29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Squeaky
December 29th, 2013, 11:01 AM
Someone once told me that fear is having the proper response to the fear source. It is not about cowering and trembling, being afraid to make a mistake that God is just waiting to punish.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

I said
That is the same verse I just got.

tomlapalm
December 29th, 2013, 11:41 AM
I said
You do what you like, I'm going to hold onto that fear.

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.
29 For our God is a consuming fire.

You should be "afraid" or in "fear" because you are not a "son of God"

Respect, and reverence is the word there as "godly fear" eulabeia

If you weren't self taught you would know theses things, if you had a personal relationship with God you would be free from fear

Squeaky
December 29th, 2013, 02:34 PM
You should be "afraid" or in "fear" because you are not a "son of God"

Respect, and reverence is the word there as "godly fear" eulabeia

If you weren't self taught you would know theses things, if you had a personal relationship with God you would be free from fear

I said
What do you do just make this stuff up as you go. I have this fear because I'm a son of God. I know Him and He knows me.

tomlapalm
December 29th, 2013, 06:39 PM
I can approach the throne boldly, you cannot. You are not a son of God

Hbr 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

If you are a son of God , relate how you became one.

Nevermind, you won't tell us.

Heterodoxical
December 29th, 2013, 09:17 PM
I can approach the throne boldly, you cannot. You are not a son of God

Hbr 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

If you are a son of God , relate how you became one.

Nevermind, you won't tell us.

Jo 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jo 5:18
We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

intojoy
December 29th, 2013, 09:22 PM
I said, if a thread is started by squeakily, don't post.

No charge fo dat

Squeaky
December 29th, 2013, 09:44 PM
I can approach the throne boldly, you cannot. You are not a son of God

Hbr 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

If you are a son of God , relate how you became one.

Nevermind, you won't tell us.

I said
You poor misguided soul.. Do you really think your own opinion counts for anything?
A true son of God has proof. One goes through the milk understanding, then they go through the meat understanding. Then they come to the revelations of Jesus Christ. I have shared afew of them. But in the past 25 years I have received over 1500 of them.
So if you are a son of God, show me your revelations. I have showed you mine. That is if you can.

Squeaky
December 29th, 2013, 09:47 PM
I said, if a thread is started by squeakily, don't post.

No charge fo dat

I said
Thank you. I prefer it that away. And maybe I won't have to put up with all these intellectual idiots with their theology's. I have been reading some of these threads. And it really saddens me to see what some of you call born again Christians. When none of them have even purged yet.

Jacob
December 30th, 2013, 12:07 AM
I said
You now have a small idea of just how deceived they were in the old testament. And how people today are still deceived by the old testament.

2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
(NKJ)Being under the law is not the problem.

Ephesians 1:18 NASB - I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,

tomlapalm
December 30th, 2013, 05:51 AM
I said
You poor misguided soul.. Do you really think your own opinion counts for anything?
A true son of God has proof. One goes through the milk understanding, then they go through the meat understanding. Then they come to the revelations of Jesus Christ. I have shared afew of them. But in the past 25 years I have received over 1500 of them.
So if you are a son of God, show me your revelations. I have showed you mine. That is if you can.

Once again you won't share how you became a Christian, I have not offered any opinions, just facts most with scripture references.

The point I have been showing you is you do not have ANY revelations from GOD because they are not private. What God shows to you through Scripture, He shows to others.

Because you won't share how you became a Christian, God has revealed to me plainly you are ashamed of Christ.

This is evident because you do not accept the deity of Christ,

Squeaky
December 30th, 2013, 08:04 AM
Being under the law is not the problem.

Ephesians 1:18 NASB - I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,

I said

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
December 30th, 2013, 08:13 AM
Once again you won't share how you became a Christian, I have not offered any opinions, just facts most with scripture references.

The point I have been showing you is you do not have ANY revelations from GOD because they are not private. What God shows to you through Scripture, He shows to others.

Because you won't share how you became a Christian, God has revealed to me plainly you are ashamed of Christ.

This is evident because you do not accept the deity of Christ,

I said
All gross exaggerations. You are playing the role of the high priest.
I am obeying the role of Jesus. In everything we do in life we are accepting a role out of scripture. Beware of who you follow.

Matt 26:62-63
62 And the high priest arose and said to Him, "Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?"
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, "I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!"
(NKJ)

tomlapalm
January 1st, 2014, 06:17 PM
I play no roles anywhere.

You are in a fantasy role , imagining yourself to be knowledgeable about scripture and even to be a Christian.


You are not a Christian and should be banned from ECT

Squeaky
January 1st, 2014, 06:55 PM
I play no roles anywhere.

You are in a fantasy role , imagining yourself to be knowledgeable about scripture and even to be a Christian.


You are not a Christian and should be banned from ECT

I said
ROFLOL Your an idiot.

meshak
January 1st, 2014, 07:11 PM
Now within the new testament there are commandments. Jesus brought us the new testament, this is how Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Not knowing what the gift of grace was, so many are useing grace as an excuse to sin. Grace is not a way to justify sin, it is a better way to get rid of sin.

amen, brother:)

meshak
January 1st, 2014, 07:17 PM
If you are a son of God , relate how you became one.



Why do you ask? It is obvious that it is not sincere question.

Your heckling is so worldly, friend. Heckling is not Christian thing to do.

blessings.

Jacob
January 1st, 2014, 07:18 PM
Why do you ask? It is obvious that it is not sincere question.

Your heckling is so worldly, friend. Heckling is not Christian thing to do.

blessings.He is asking when you were born again, or adopted into the family of God. If you have any memory of it. Maybe just stating that there was a time in your life will help, if there was.

not4sure
January 1st, 2014, 07:18 PM
Why do you ask? It is obvious that it is not sincere question.

Your heckling is so worldly, friend. Heckling is not Christian thing to do.

blessings.

Watchtower?

tomlapalm
January 1st, 2014, 07:41 PM
Why do you ask? It is obvious that it is not sincere question.

Your heckling is so worldly, friend. Heckling is not Christian thing to do.

blessings.

Oh no it is sincere, Squeaky has a belief that "saved" is physical and "salvation" is a process. Unfortunately, he has developed this idea completely by himself. By his own non admission, he has not met any others who share the beliefs over thousands of posts and years on forums.

Although willing to post pages of unrelated verses, he cannot defend any of his controversial positions. When challenged , he will take this route, first say the verses are only parables, second say the verse are "milk or meat" and we are not able to understand, after this he will resort to changing the subject or name calling, as you have witnessed.

I have challenged him because, he post his falsehoods in the middle of ongoing discussion.

He has other non Christian beliefs while posing as a "Christian". I have offered or challenged him to share how he became a Christian, he has refused.

Why would anyone not share salvation?

He has insulted everyone that confronts him and doesn't belong on ECT. He can throw his dribble on the open forums.

Squeaky
January 1st, 2014, 08:53 PM
Oh no it is sincere, Squeaky has a belief that "saved" is physical and "salvation" is a process. Unfortunately, he has developed this idea completely by himself. By his own non admission, he has not met any others who share the beliefs over thousands of posts and years on forums.

Although willing to post pages of unrelated verses, he cannot defend any of his controversial positions. When challenged , he will take this route, first say the verses are only parables, second say the verse are "milk or meat" and we are not able to understand, after this he will resort to changing the subject or name calling, as you have witnessed.

I have challenged him because, he post his falsehoods in the middle of ongoing discussion.

He has other non Christian beliefs while posing as a "Christian". I have offered or challenged him to share how he became a Christian, he has refused.

Why would anyone not share salvation?

He has insulted everyone that confronts him and doesn't belong on ECT. He can throw his dribble on the open forums.



I said
Now you bear false witness? I never said that. There has been disciples of mine that have come on this board. Who believe the same thing.
You need to find the real Holy Spirit and learn about truth.

Matt 7:20-24
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
(NKJ)

Mark 7:6-8
6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men-- the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."
(NKJ)

Heb 13:15-16
15 Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name.
16 But do not forget to do good and to share, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
(NKJ)

Out if the abundance of the heart. Do you know what that means?
What mostly comes out of your mouth, carnality or verses?

Matt 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)

tomlapalm
January 2nd, 2014, 07:22 AM
This is the evidence that Squeaky does not address the issues but insults the poster.

Another trick is to overwhelm the post with unrelated verses.

Another trick while posting the unrelated verses is to contort them to his purpose rather than using the verses in context ad God gave them

These tactics are rather immature but show Squeaky is not a Christian, not knowing the scripture nor the power thereof. Misusing the scripture for his own designs and not even able to receive the milk from the Holy Spirit.

It would be rather sad if he wasn't so arrogant and belligerent.

Squeaky
January 2nd, 2014, 09:39 AM
I play no roles anywhere.

You are in a fantasy role , imagining yourself to be knowledgeable about scripture and even to be a Christian.


You are not a Christian and should be banned from ECT




This is the evidence that Squeaky does not address the issues but insults the poster.

Another trick is to overwhelm the post with unrelated verses.

Another trick while posting the unrelated verses is to contort them to his purpose rather than using the verses in context ad God gave them

These tactics are rather immature but show Squeaky is not a Christian, not knowing the scripture nor the power thereof. Misusing the scripture for his own designs and not even able to receive the milk from the Holy Spirit.

It would be rather sad if he wasn't so arrogant and belligerent.

I said
lol Have you looked in a mirror lately? Your an idiot, and that is a biblical term. You place more value on your own opinion than the Word of God. I place all my value on the Word of God.
Your very unlearned(idiot) in the Word of God and you throw your own opinion out there like it has authority, it doesn't.

1 Tim 2:11-15
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
(NKJ)

2399 idiotes (id-ee-o'-tace);

from 2398; a private person, i.e. (by implication) an ignoramus (compare "idiot"):

KJV-- ignorant, rude, unlearned.

Squeaky
January 3rd, 2014, 09:20 AM
Watchtower?

I said
Who is with the watchtower?

JosephR
January 3rd, 2014, 10:23 AM
Meshak has views like JW but says she isint , to answer your question. And did you say you have disciples?

Squeaky
January 3rd, 2014, 01:14 PM
Meshak has views like JW but says she isint , to answer your question. And did you say you have disciples?

I said
You do know that disciple means student don't you?

Mark 2:18
18 The disciples of John and of the Pharisees were fasting. Then they came and said to Him, "Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but Your disciples do not fast?"
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 11th, 2014, 11:56 AM
bump

Eleutherius
August 27th, 2014, 04:32 PM
RE: "Grace is the law of Christ"

I suppose, then, that each member of the Trinity has its own Kingdom and Law. We see the terms in Scripture: "law of God," "law of the Spirit" and "law of Christ."

Does each member of the Trinity have it's own Law?

If so, the Trinity is divided.

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 11:16 AM
RE: "Grace is the law of Christ"

I suppose, then, that each member of the Trinity has its own Kingdom and Law. We see the terms in Scripture: "law of God," "law of the Spirit" and "law of Christ."

Does each member of the Trinity have it's own Law?

If so, the Trinity is divided.

I said
The old testament is the law of sin and death. In that law there are many smaller laws. The New Testament is a law. within that law there are many smaller laws.
Grace is uncilicited mercy. That mercy is shown in the fact that God sent Jesus to pay for our sins and bring us a new law that we can live by. But Jesus had to prove Himself worthy of giving us the new law by living up to the old law. The old law of sin and death was only to be used on some one that sinned. Jesus never sinned but the old law killed Him. That is how Jesus made the new law valid.

2 Cor 3:14
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
(NKJ)

Heb 9:16-17
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
(NKJ)

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 11:38 AM
Do you know what grace is? Or how it works? Or who it is for?


( GRACE ) IS Not A Law!!!!!!! -- God Never said it Was, - However, - God DID Give Two Laws to PROTECT His ( Grace ), "They are the Laws of GRACE"; -- Squeaky!!!!!, - and those Like You come along and Try to Destroy God's Protection!!!

The same as Faith; - Faith is Not a Law, The Laws were given to ((( Protect ))) Our Faith from the likes of You all. - Again, they are the "Laws of Faith"!!!!

Prove that wrong Squeaky!!! - Don't just say I'm Wrong like the rest of the FOOLS!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 11:47 AM
( GRACE ) IS Not A Law!!!!!!! -- God Never said it Was, - However, - God DID Give Two Laws to PROTECT His ( Grace ), "They are the Laws of GRACE"; -- Squeaky!!!!!, - and those Like You come along and Try to Destroy God's Protection!!!

The same as Faith; - Faith is Not a Law, The Laws were given to ((( Protect ))) Our Faith from the likes of You all. - Again, they are the "Laws of Faith"!!!!

Prove that wrong Squeaky!!! - Don't just say I'm Wrong like the rest of the FOOLS!!!

Paul, David -- 090214


I said
ROFLOL Your a walking oxymoron. Grace was just the act of sending Jesus. That wasn't a law to send Jesus. Jesus gave us the law of Christ.

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 11:57 AM
I said
ROFLOL Your a walking oxymoron. Grace was just the act of sending Jesus. That wasn't a law to send Jesus. Jesus gave us the law of Christ.


Squeaky!!!!!!! - You're Not quoting anything!!! - You're Just calling me Names out of your GUT - like you and the rest of the other false ~christians always get by With!!! - I Can't!!!

Give Scripture that Proves me wrong Squeaky!!! like you "ALWAYS" give in the Illegal Thread OP!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 12:26 PM
Squeaky!!!!!!! - You're Not quoting anything!!! - You're Just calling me Names out of your GUT - like you and the rest of the other false ~christians always get by With!!! - I Can't!!!

Give Scripture that Proves me wrong Squeaky!!! like you "ALWAYS" give in the Illegal Thread OP!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

I said
lol If your going to make claims that are full of oxymorons. And its obvious you don't know scripture to back it up. Then I will have to show you your faults carnally. Your full of idle words. That have no foundation or conclusions.

Matt 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 12:37 PM
I said
lol If your going to make claims that are full of oxymorons. And its obvious you don't know scripture to back it up. Then I will have to show you your faults carnally. Your full of idle words. That have no foundation or conclusions.

Matt 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)


Why Yes Squeaky!!!! -- Any False ~christian can give those verses to ANY Other False ~christian!!! -- You haven't given Anything against what I said YET!!! -- Prove what you said; - That (( "GRACE IS A Law" ))!!!!! - Grace is NOT A Law, The Law of Grace Protects Grace for you're Kind!!!

Prove Me Wrong Squeaky!!!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 01:01 PM
Why Yes Squeaky!!!! -- Any False ~christian can give those verses to ANY Other False ~christian!!! -- You haven't given Anything against what I said YET!!! -- Prove what you said; - That (( "GRACE IS A Law" ))!!!!! - Grace is NOT A Law, The Law of Grace Protects Grace for you're Kind!!!

Prove Me Wrong Squeaky!!!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

I said
lol What color is the sky in your world. Go back and read my last two posts. Grace is not the law of Christ. Grace brought us the law of Christ.

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 01:14 PM
[QUOTE=Letsargue;4031015]Why Yes Squeaky!!!! -- Any False ~christian can give those verses to ANY Other False ~christian!!! -- You haven't given Anything against what I said YET!!! -- Prove what you said; - That (( "GRACE IS A Law" ))!!!!! - Grace is NOT A Law, The Law of Grace Protects Grace for you're Kind!!!

Prove Me Wrong Squeaky!!!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

Jacob
September 2nd, 2014, 01:15 PM
Is there a law of grace?

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 01:18 PM
I said
lol What color is the sky in your world. Go back and read my last two posts. Grace is not the law of Christ. Grace brought us the law of Christ.


The NAME Of Your ( Impossible Reading Thread's ) Title IS: (( "Grace "IS the LAW" of Christ" ))!! - Now you change the TITLE!!!!??

Paul, David -- 090214

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 01:22 PM
Is there a law of grace?


The Law of "Grace" is to protect Christians from Liars of False Christians!! - Grace is Not a Law, but is protected BUT A "Law of Grace".

Paul, David -- 090214

Jacob
September 2nd, 2014, 01:23 PM
The Law of "Grace" is to protect Christians from Liars of False Christians!! - Grace is Not a Law, but is protected BUT A "Law of Grace".

Paul, David -- 090214The words "law of grace" are not found in the Bible (searched NASB).

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 01:37 PM
The words "law of grace" are not found in the Bible (searched NASB).


There doesn't Have to be, but there IS Just the same Idea of IT written!!! - Even Squeaky SEES That. - Maybe You can't see anything, that IS Still Truth!!!- Just deny everything you want to say that is not in the Word of God. - You just spoke a bunch that is Not Written, SOOOO Now What shall You DOOO, or SAY?????

Paul, David 090214

Jacob
September 2nd, 2014, 01:47 PM
There doesn't Have to be, but there IS Just the same Idea of IT written!!! - Even Squeaky SEES That. - Maybe You can't see anything, that IS Still Truth!!!- Just deny everything you want to say that is not in the Word of God. - You just spoke a bunch that is Not Written, SOOOO Now What shall You DOOO, or SAY?????

Paul, David 090214
Only because I know what the Bible says, and because I searched the Bible to make sure, do I know that the Bible does not say "law of grace".

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 02:29 PM
Only because I know what the Bible says, and because I searched the Bible to make sure, do I know that the Bible does not say "law of grace".


The Wording of the Bible IS Just Parables of what God IS Saying In TRUTH!! -- The Wording IS NOT Truth, but only Parables of the TRUTH!!! - God Just says that!!!

The ( TRUTH ), is unseen by the Lost; You Only see the Wording; - and the Letter of the Bible kills you!! -- READ IT!! -- ((( 2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV ))) -- 6- "(( Who also "Hath" made US, // (( Not the Fools )) -- able ministers )) (( of the "New Testament" // (( The Wording )); --- ((((( Not of the letter ))))), (( but of the Spirit )): ((((( for the Letter killeth, but the "Spirit" giveth Life )))))!!!

What does God SAY??? - THAT The Letter is the Truth that Saves?? -- ((( NO!! ))), It's the Spirit of the Letter, // The Spirit of the Word, // The Spirit of ( CHRIST ), HE Saves / Gives LIFE, NOT what YOU READ!!!!!! - How foolish can one get?????

Paul, David 090214

resurrected
September 2nd, 2014, 02:30 PM
i thought it was all in the precepts :idunno:

Jacob
September 2nd, 2014, 02:34 PM
The Wording of the Bible IS Just Parables of what God IS Saying In TRUTH!! -- The Wording IS NOT Truth, but only Parables of the TRUTH!!! - God Just says that!!!

The ( TRUTH ), is unseen by the Lost; You Only see the Wording; - and the Letter of the Bible kills you!! -- READ IT!! -- ((( 2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV ))) -- 6- "(( Who also "Hath" made US, // (( Not the Fools )) -- able ministers )) (( of the "New Testament" // (( The Wording )); --- ((((( Not of the letter ))))), (( but of the Spirit )): ((((( for the Letter killeth, but the "Spirit" giveth Life )))))!!!

What does God SAY??? - THAT The Letter is the Truth that Saves?? -- ((( NO!! ))), It's the Spirit of the Letter, // The Spirit of the Word, // The Spirit of ( CHRIST ), HE Saves / Gives LIFE, NOT what YOU READ!!!!!! - How foolish can one get?????

Paul, David 090214You asked if "law of grace" is not in the Bible, what does the Bible say? That is, what IS in the Bible? I know the Law is in the Bible and I know the law of Christ is in the Bible. I also know the Bible speaks of the law of sin and death.

Do you remember what the principle is?

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 02:41 PM
i thought it was all in the precepts :idunno:



EEEEEE God!!!!

God didn't say that, but did say this!!!!!:::: ((( Matthew 13:34 KJV ))) -- 34- "((( All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in Parables ))); (( AND )) ((( Without a Parable spake He not unto them )))". --//-----

IN the whole Word of God, what did Jesus Not speak??? - Point that out to US!!!

But continue to spit, and play your silly GAMES - like the rest of the Fools!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 02:50 PM
[QUOTE=Letsargue;4031015]Why Yes Squeaky!!!! -- Any False ~christian can give those verses to ANY Other False ~christian!!! -- You haven't given Anything against what I said YET!!! -- Prove what you said; - That (( "GRACE IS A Law" ))!!!!! - Grace is NOT A Law, The Law of Grace Protects Grace for you're Kind!!!

Prove Me Wrong Squeaky!!!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

I said
ROFLOL you talk in riddles and oxymorons. You proved yourself wrong in what you said. You usually do. Everyone just assmes you will finally see it yourself.

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 02:52 PM
The NAME Of Your ( Impossible Reading Thread's ) Title IS: (( "Grace "IS the LAW" of Christ" ))!! - Now you change the TITLE!!!!??

Paul, David -- 090214

I said
lol You idiot a title is only to attract attention.

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 02:53 PM
The Law of "Grace" is to protect Christians from Liars of False Christians!! - Grace is Not a Law, but is protected BUT A "Law of Grace".

Paul, David -- 090214

I said
oxymoron.

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 02:53 PM
You asked if "law of grace" is not in the Bible, what does the Bible say? That is, what IS in the Bible? I know the Law is in the Bible and I know the law of Christ is in the Bible. I also know the Bible speaks of the law of sin and death.

Do you remember what the principle is?


(((( TRUTH ))))!!!!! (( CHRIST )), The Word of God in SPIRIT, not in the Letter. - Christ is no longer the Letter, or the Word of God, BUT The Spirit of the Word of GOD. -- If You Can't (( SEE )) That, I cannot Help You; You are Blind to the Word / Christ! / Truth / The LOVE OF GOD!!! -- You ALL don't even Know what the Love of God IS, or what the GLORY of God IS!! -- How can God Help an Unbeliever past any obstacle of the World or Satan?? - None of you care anything about what GOD SAYS!!!! -- It's all about (( YOU )), and what you SAY the Word of God IS; -- Not the Truth / Christ!!!

Paul, David 090214

Jacob
September 2nd, 2014, 02:55 PM
(((( TRUTH ))))!!!!! (( CHRIST )), The Word of God in SPIRIT, not in the Letter. - Christ is no longer the Letter, or the Word of God, BUT The Spirit of the Word of GOD. -- If You Can't (( SEE )) That, I cannot Help You; You are Blind to the Word / Christ! / Truth / The LOVE OF GOD!!! -- You ALL don't even Know what the Love of God IS, or what the GLORY of God IS!! -- How can God Help an Unbeliever past any obstacle of the World or Satan?? - None of you care anything about what GOD SAYS!!!! -- It's all about (( YOU )), and what you SAY the Word of God IS; -- Not the Truth / Christ!!!

Paul, David 090214It is plain enough if you do a search for those words in the Bible. You can do it yourself. I have already done it for you.

Grosnick Marowbe
September 2nd, 2014, 02:55 PM
(((( TRUTH ))))!!!!! (( CHRIST )), The Word of God in SPIRIT, not in the Letter. - Christ is no longer the Letter, or the Word of God, BUT The Spirit of the Word of GOD. -- If You Can't (( SEE )) That, I cannot Help You; You are Blind to the Word / Christ! / Truth / The LOVE OF GOD!!! -- You ALL don't even Know what the Love of God IS, or what the GLORY of God IS!! -- How can God Help an Unbeliever past any obstacle of the World or Satan?? - None of you care anything about what GOD SAYS!!!! -- It's all about (( YOU )), and what you SAY the Word of God IS; -- Not the Truth / Christ!!!

Paul, David 090214

So, are you insinuating that, only YOU have the truth?

Letsargue
September 2nd, 2014, 03:12 PM
So, are you insinuating that, only YOU have the truth?


I Said what I Said, Now Make anything out of it You Can For your own destructive purpose!! ------ Wow, - Maybe I can't say something like to YOU!!!!! -- I had Best be -- R-E-A-L -- ~quiet!!!!

BY!!!! -- You can have this AGAIN!!!!!!! -- You get nothing for ALL Your Breaking of the Rules,, ----- I DO!!!! --- ((( BY )))!!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 04:19 PM
(((( TRUTH ))))!!!!! (( CHRIST )), The Word of God in SPIRIT, not in the Letter. - Christ is no longer the Letter, or the Word of God, BUT The Spirit of the Word of GOD. -- If You Can't (( SEE )) That, I cannot Help You; You are Blind to the Word / Christ! / Truth / The LOVE OF GOD!!! -- You ALL don't even Know what the Love of God IS, or what the GLORY of God IS!! -- How can God Help an Unbeliever past any obstacle of the World or Satan?? - None of you care anything about what GOD SAYS!!!! -- It's all about (( YOU )), and what you SAY the Word of God IS; -- Not the Truth / Christ!!!

Paul, David 090214

I said
That's it open with a joke. I cant see you helping anyone. Especially me.

Grosnick Marowbe
September 2nd, 2014, 05:06 PM
I Said what I Said, Now Make anything out of it You Can For your own destructive purpose!! ------ Wow, - Maybe I can't say something like to YOU!!!!! -- I had Best be -- R-E-A-L -- ~quiet!!!!

BY!!!! -- You can have this AGAIN!!!!!!! -- You get nothing for ALL Your Breaking of the Rules,, ----- I DO!!!! --- ((( BY )))!!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

I certainly hope you realize that you're strange?

Squeaky
September 2nd, 2014, 07:01 PM
I Said what I Said, Now Make anything out of it You Can For your own destructive purpose!! ------ Wow, - Maybe I can't say something like to YOU!!!!! -- I had Best be -- R-E-A-L -- ~quiet!!!!

BY!!!! -- You can have this AGAIN!!!!!!! -- You get nothing for ALL Your Breaking of the Rules,, ----- I DO!!!! --- ((( BY )))!!!!!

Paul, David -- 090214

I said
Just to help us try to understand you why don't you explain what all them _!:()> are for?

Eleutherius
September 9th, 2014, 08:20 PM
RE: "I said
The old testament is the law of sin and death. In that law there are many smaller laws. The New Testament is a law. within that law there are many smaller laws."

Romans 7:7 NIV

[Struggling With Sin] What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

Squeaky
September 10th, 2014, 08:27 AM
RE: "I said
The old testament is the law of sin and death. In that law there are many smaller laws. The New Testament is a law. within that law there are many smaller laws."

Romans 7:7 NIV

[Struggling With Sin] What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

I said
The old testament focused on the obvious sin. What you can see on the outside of you. The new testament focused on the inside the sin that caused the action outside. The new testament shows us that what you see on the outside is not the sin. It is the evidence of the sin. The sin is the state of mind that cause you to perform the action outside as evidence. The are linked together.

Eleutherius
September 10th, 2014, 08:28 PM
RE: "I said..."

Yep! you said.

Squeaky
January 24th, 2015, 01:00 PM
bump

Cross Reference
January 24th, 2015, 01:09 PM
Grace is not unsolicited mercy

Grace is getting what you don't deserve.

Mercy is NOT getting what you DO deserve

Grace received, understood and then stepped on receives no mercy, grace already being the result of mercy . . . God

Squeaky
January 24th, 2015, 02:08 PM
Grace received, understood and then stepped on receives no mercy, grace already being the result of mercy . . . God

I said
Grace is unsolicited mercy. And if you go all through the old testament no one ever asked for another way. But God through His grace gave them another way. Jesus and the new law. The law of Christ. Which is full of commandments from Jesus.


Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
(NKJ)

Cross Reference
January 24th, 2015, 02:45 PM
I said
Grace is unsolicited mercy. And if you go all through the old testament no one ever asked for another way. But God through His grace gave them another way. Jesus and the new law. The law of Christ. Which is full of commandments from Jesus.


Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
(NKJ)

And I said what I said. Deal with it.

Cross Reference
January 24th, 2015, 03:39 PM
I said
Grace is unsolicited mercy. And if you go all through the old testament no one ever asked for another way. But God through His grace gave them another way. Jesus and the new law. The law of Christ. Which is full of commandments from Jesus.


Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
(NKJ)

All, totally irrelevant.

Squeaky
January 24th, 2015, 05:06 PM
And I said what I said. Deal with it.

I said
I don't really understand what you said. The only point I was making was the new testament is a law.

Squeaky
January 24th, 2015, 05:08 PM
All, totally irrelevant.

I said
I'm loosing you. The new testament law of Christ is our grace.

Cross Reference
January 24th, 2015, 05:32 PM
I said
I'm loosing you. The new testament law of Christ is our grace.


You got lost a long time ago __ on your on.

Squeaky
January 24th, 2015, 06:34 PM
You got lost a long time ago __ on your on.

I said
on your on???????????????????????

Squeaky
September 26th, 2016, 04:43 PM
Would you like to finish our conversation?

Squeaky
September 26th, 2016, 06:59 PM
One doesn't repent for breaking any law, we repent when we realize we ARE sinners that break laws.


We as Christians might need to repent for things unrelated to the Law. Sins of commission and omission. If the Holy Spirit say witness to the bagboy at the grocery and we do not, It is sin. This is certainly not in the Law

Jam 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

The Law, is about not doing wrong things. A Christian has a higher responsibility to go the correct things for good.

If a Christian is living by trying to keep a law, it is legalism and idolatry.

I said
I think your mixing up the old testament law with the new testament law of Christ.

Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
(NKJ)

John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(NKJ)

John 14:21
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
(NKJ)

John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
May 2nd, 2017, 08:37 AM
They are different.