PDA

View Full Version : Spammers wasteland



Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 [16] 17

Truster
August 5th, 2017, 05:55 AM
You're making an assumption. If I weren't willing to listen and learn I wouldn't be here. And I wouldn't believe some of the things I do now, as I believed quite differently when I joined TOL. And it was people here that changed my mind.

You give people the glory for changing your mind. Your reliance is in the flesh.

jgarden
August 8th, 2017, 07:19 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AApqY4x.img?h=373&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

More news from England, or what's left of it

It must be reassuring that the White House is in such good hands that the OP now has the luxury of questioning England's future!

SabathMoon
August 13th, 2017, 12:48 PM
From a derivative of βλάπτω (G984) to hurt and φήμη (G5345) fame. In effect, defame or slander.

Lighthouse
August 15th, 2017, 07:03 PM
You give people the glory for changing your mind. Your reliance is in the flesh.

:doh:


You are a self-righteous, arrogant fool.

dodge
August 22nd, 2017, 04:43 PM
What do you know about what a Christian is?

What can you show me from scripture?

Romans 10:9-10 tells how to receive salvation.

It says nothing about Jesus being God, nor a trinity.

It actually refutes it.

God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead.

Plain as any scripture could ever be.

Better read it again there are several scriptures where it says Jesus raised Himself.

Jhn 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

dodge
August 22nd, 2017, 04:45 PM
The Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Son, nor the Father.

You might want to do some more study.


1Jo 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Truster
September 7th, 2017, 05:36 AM
I love funny jokes about our belief systems:

Top Reasons Why the Reformed Did Not Cross the Road

11. A woman already crossed. We don’t follow women.

10. We don’t believe the road is safe. It wasn’t built between 1500-1700 A.D.

9. We believe that “road crossing” ceased with the death of the last Apostle or the completion of the New Testament.

8. The crossing guard was only helping people cross from one side to the other, so we are suspicious. Is this a denial of double pre-destination?

7. Neither Romans 9 or John 6 say anything about crossing roads. Therefore, it is unbiblical.

6. The “Walk” sign was gender neutral. It made us mad.

5. The road was called Tiber Ave.

4. John Wesley said that God’s prevenient grace would pave the way, but we have to take the steps ourselves. What a load!

3. We were not elected to cross before the foundation of the road.

2. Piper said that God is most glorified when we are most satisfied on our side of the road.

1. The pub is on this side of the road.


Top Reasons Why The Arminian Did Not Cross the Road

11. He is the one who is in charge. No one is going to make him do anything.

10. We are not sure if he will cross or not. No one knows. Not even God.

9. He has felt the draw of the other side of the road and has resisted thus far.

8. He heard someone yell at someone on the other side calling him a dork. He thought he said “Dordt.” It scared him.

7. Two guys named John and Ed were on the other side. It was too big of a risk (and they looked mean).

6. He will cross the road. But it won’t happen until just before he dies. Insurance. What if he did it early and changed his mind? Smart thinking.

5. Finney and Pelagius just crossed. Everyone already thinks he follows them. To cross now would just confirm their suspicions.

4. He shipwrecked on his way across therefore he never made it.

3. God cast a vote for him to cross. Satan cast a vote for him not to cross. He holds the deciding vote.

2. He did cross the road. In fact, he has crossed it over a dozen times. He just keep backsliding.

1. He did cross the road but stopped half way. One side was Geneva and the other side was Rome.


Top Reasons Why The Dispensationalist Did Not Cross the Road

10. By taking a consistently literal approach, we thought that “cross the road” meant something about the crucifixion.

9. We thought that the other side was for Israel and this side was for the church.

8. Charles Ryrie was still on this side of the road, why cross?

7. It is pointless since Jesus is just going to bring us back after 7 years.

6. Like the OT prophets and the church age, we were unable to see the other side.

5. We counted and it would take 18 steps. That divided by 3 is 6. 666. Therefore, it would be taking the mark of the beast.

4. We were not a part of the ‘crossing’ dispensation.

3. Dallas Theological Seminary has yet published anything telling us how to do it.

2. It was crossing from HWY 69 to HWY 70. That road is meant only for Israel.

1. We thought we would be raptured before we got there anyway.

Source: see related posts here:
http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/07/top-ten-reasons-the-arminian-did-not-cross-the-road/

AMR

Special revelation especially displays Elohim’s holiness in scripture, in Elohim’s law, in his evangelism, and in the ecclesia. Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

You chose to mock this in a display of unholy, evil, immoral, unvirtuous and vile thoughts, words and behavior as well as encouraging others to do likewise.

You have certainly raised your banner in the defense of the adversary Satan who also despises all that is holy.

You and your profession of spiritual life are the biggest jokes but due to the damage you cause I don't find it funny.

CabinetMaker
September 7th, 2017, 07:15 AM
Special revelation especially displays Elohim’s holiness in scripture, in Elohim’s law, in his evangelism, and in the ecclesia. Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

You chose to mock this in a display of unholy, evil, immoral, unvirtuous and vile thoughts, words and behavior as well as encouraging others to do likewise.

You have certainly raised your banner in the defense of the adversary Satan who also despises all that is holy.

You and your profession of spiritual life are the biggest jokes but due to the damage you cause I don't find it funny.
I think you COMPLETELY missed the point of this thread.

Truster
September 7th, 2017, 07:24 AM
I think you COMPLETELY missed the point of this thread.

I KNOW you have completely missed the mark with regard to holiness.

CabinetMaker
September 7th, 2017, 07:27 AM
I KNOW you have completely missed the mark with regard to holiness.
I rather doubt that. You have no idea who I am.

Truster
September 7th, 2017, 07:35 AM
I rather doubt that. You have no idea who I am.

I know the unholy spirit by which you speak and that is sufficient.

Truster
September 7th, 2017, 10:15 AM
Our intentions, thoughts, and words should always honour Elohim and communicate the fact that we value that which He has made and revere Him.

There is also the issue of making others stumble, which can easily be done with jokes. Others might consider the jokes as being offensive, hurtful, irreverent or impure. If you are using liberty then you might be doing so at the expense of another’s conscience as it is written:
"It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

Jokes are usually lies and we know who the father of lies is as we know who his children are...

patrick jane
September 7th, 2017, 10:30 AM
Our intentions, thoughts, and words should always honour Elohim and communicate the fact that we value that which He has made and revere Him.

There is also the issue of making others stumble, which can easily be done with jokes. Others might consider the jokes as being offensive, hurtful, irreverent or impure. If you are using liberty then you might be doing so at the expense of another’s conscience as it is written:
"It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

Jokes are usually lies and we know who the father of lies is as we know who his children are...Great joke Truster !!!!

Truster
September 7th, 2017, 11:16 AM
Great joke Truster !!!!

This where we always part company. Your lack of reverence for that which is holy. If you had been truly converted this would not be the way you act towards the very holiness that demands regeneration. "Be thou holy for I am holy".

Truster
September 7th, 2017, 11:17 AM
Truster,

Please take your sanctimony (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?126571-Have-you-been-deceived-by-Satan-through-your-church&p=5094967#post5094967) and inability to recognize self-deprecatory humor elsewhere.

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?126658-Reported-Post-by-Truster

Beam. Eye. Remove it! :AMR:

AMR

By their fruit ye shall know them and your fruit is unholy.

Ask Mr. Religion
September 7th, 2017, 02:08 PM
By their fruit ye shall know them and your fruit is unholy.
Toodles!

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?126659-Reported-Post-by-Ask-Mr-Religion

AMR

SabathMoon
September 18th, 2017, 01:23 AM
You might want to do some more study.


1Jo 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
The trouble is that there is no καὶ between father and word. The word is YHWH, not the christ.

dodge
September 18th, 2017, 12:24 PM
The trouble is that there is no καὶ between father and word. The word is YHWH, not the christ.

They are one and the same ! Re-read John 1:1 i.e. "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word WAS God".

Then jump to John 1:14 "and the word became flesh and dwelt among us".

Then jump to John 8:58 where Jesus told them "before Abraham He was i.e. the "I AM".

Then you might want to read Thomas's response to seeing Jesus alive after He was crucified which was " My Lord and my God". Since Jesus did not correct Thomas if Jesus isn't God He would be guilty of accepting worship and praise only God is worthy to receive.

There are many many more scriptures that prove Jesus is God but you can only see them when you seek God with all of your heart.

SabathMoon
September 18th, 2017, 08:23 PM
John 1:1c with Greek

καὶ θεὸς ἦν<-->"... and the god, it was."
YHWH is the word that is the god; not Yeshua.

John 1:14a with Greek

Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο <--> and a word the flesh was being happened/started ...
Not the same logos.

John 8:58 with Greek

πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί <--> prior Abraham becoming thus, I am (he).
It was about Abraham still being alive, and seeing his day and being happy about it.

John 20:28b with Greek

ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου <--> My lord and My God (with 3rd person plural missing)Kai and mou seperate both parts of the would be subject or start of the sentence.

English translations are not proof of anything because they are sloppy. It needs to improve.

SabathMoon
September 19th, 2017, 11:33 AM
The only sloppy translations here are yours. They need to improve.
John 1:14a with GreekThey aren't sloppy. The idenifite articular construct is older than the english definite articular constructs.


Yes, the exact same Logos."But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." This logos not the logos of the hebrew name YHWH.

Anything else would be idolatry.


See, there's a funny thing about the greek language. When the Greeks talk about gods, they rarely (if ever) put a definite article in front of "theos," because they're polytheistic, and defining one of their gods as "the god" would elevate one as "the god." But when talking about the one true God of the Bible, except for a few exceptions where the grammar requires differently, God is written as "the God," or "ho theos."They rarely do that because they are talking about a specific god. That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.


For example, "TO AN UNKNOWN GOD," or "AGNOSTO THEO," is the inscription Paul mentions in Acts 17:23. Not "AGNOSTO HO THEO," because that would imply "the" God. When there's no definite article in front of a noun in Greek, it's like putting "a" or "an" in front of a noun in English. Paul, in verse 24, calls this "unknown god" of the Greeks "The God" in the very next verse. If this distinction was not here in the Bible, between the way the greek pagans spoke greek and the way believers in Christ spoke Greek, defining "ho theos" instead of just "theos," it would be very difficult to determine which "god" or "God" is being talked about."To the unnoticed one the god". Even your example is unconvincing.


Seems pretty clear to me that Jesus was the Lord of him and the God of him.Seems to me you don't know what the nominative case is.


The only sloppy translations here are yours. They need to improve.You need to consider that you are an idolator.

jgarden
September 22nd, 2017, 10:05 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAsj7Lm.img?h=373&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=556&y=393

Millions of Ame4ricans with pre-existing conditions are faced with the loss of their health insurance and the best that conservatives can do is start a thread about a school refusing to pass out cards for a child's birthday party!

patrick jane
September 22nd, 2017, 10:08 PM
Millions of Ame4ricans with pre-existing conditions are faced with the loss of their health insurance and the best that conservatives can do is start a thread about a school refusing to pass out cards for a child's birthday party!We have healthcare threads, numbskull. Post your support of failing Obummercare there.

jgarden
September 22nd, 2017, 10:09 PM
We have healthcare threads, numbskull. Post your support of failing Obummercare there.

http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAqZn2p.img?h=373&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

numbskull

Obummercare

"Patrick jane" must be working full time combing the internet for morsels of "red meat" to serve up to the conservatives on this Forum!

Like Donald Trump, however, "Patrick jane" resorts in true conservative fashion (name calling, bullying) when he can't get his own way!

Eagles Wings
September 22nd, 2017, 10:31 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAsj7Lm.img?h=373&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=556&y=393

Millions of Ame4ricans with pre-existing conditions are faced with the loss of their health insurance and the best that conservatives can do is start a thread about a school refusing to pass out cards for a child's birthday party!

Partying kids' lives matter.

glorydaz
September 22nd, 2017, 11:13 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAqZn2p.img?h=373&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

numbskull

Obummercare

"Patrick jane" must be working full time combing the internet for morsels of "red meat" to serve up to the conservatives on this Forum!

Like Donald Trump, however, "Patrick jane" resorts in true conservative fashion (name calling, bullying) when he can't get his own way!

Clearly, you don't care about the children who aren't allowed to have best friends, nor invite who they want to their birthday parties because you want the nanny state in charge from CRADLE TO GRAVE.

Go away, you liberal nutter, and preach your lies in a health care thread where they belong.

jgarden
September 24th, 2017, 07:02 PM
Calling perverse things perverse =/= expecting the world to behave as saved people.

You also need to work on elementary logic, and not letting your emotional investments cloud your thinking.

http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAslRBR.img?h=373&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

A President who chooses not to distinguish between white supremacists/neo-fascists/the KKK and "good people" is the height of "perversity!"

Does this President and his repeated bullying, intimidation tactics and "name-calling" represent the kind of behaviour that serves as model for America's children to emulate?

Given half a chance, this President would sign legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare, leaving millions of American children and their families without medical coverage - especially if they suffer from pre-existing conditions!

patrick jane
September 24th, 2017, 07:23 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAslRBR.img?h=373&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

A President who chooses not to distinguish between white supremacists/neo-fascists/the KKK and "good people" is the height of "perversity!"

Does this President and his repeated bullying, intimidation tactics and "name-calling" represent the kind of behaviour that serves as model for America's children to emulate?

Given half a chance, this President would sign legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare, leaving millions of American children and their families without medical coverage - especially if they suffer from pre-existing conditions!Is this about the OP? We have Trump threads available.

patrick jane
September 24th, 2017, 09:50 PM
5 year old show more common sense than leftist perverts



This thread is about our resident conservatives following the tried and true formula of combing the internet for isolated incidents and then attempting to brand all "leftists" as "perverts" with a broad brush!

This is the Political Forum, so for "patrick jane" to complain when "musterion" tries to change the narrative, it creates the distinct impression that conservatives would prefer to divert attention to discuss something/anything other the escapades of this President in the White House!We have plenty of threads to complain about Trump, this thread is about schools teaching small children about changing sexes. If you can't respect the rules of TOL take it up with the owner and take your show on the road.

jgarden
September 24th, 2017, 10:06 PM
Yeah, just a referee on his knee with the rest of the unpatriotic slobs on the sidelines.

Even Robert Kraft, the owner and CEO of the New England Patriots, a close friend of "The Donald" and contributor of $1 million to the President's Inauguration criticized Trump and supported his players.

The President, in his infinite wisdom, has taken a few isolated incidents and made it a point of honor that NFL players, coaches and owners to display acts of solidarity against "The Donald's" tweets and file the moral leadership vacuum that has been vacated by POTUS and Republican politicians.

glorydaz
September 24th, 2017, 10:44 PM
Even Robert Kraft, the owner and CEO of the New England Patriots, a close friend of "The Donald" and contributor of $1 million to the President's Inauguration criticized Trump and supported his players.

The President, in his infinite wisdom, has taken a few isolated incidents and made it a point of honor that NFL players, coaches and owners to display acts of solidarity against "The Donald's" tweets and file the moral leadership vacuum that has been vacated by POTUS and Republican politicians.

And you're entitled to your opinion. If those players want to put their "honor" on the line, who cares?

jgarden
October 24th, 2017, 08:13 PM
https://swalwell.house.gov/sites/swalwell.house.gov/files/wysiwyg_uploaded/Trump-His-Teams-Ties-to-Russia-4-4.png


You are literally blind to what's happening, aren't you?

This video shows that two new investigations were opened today - wake up jgarb

Obviously the NFL "kneeling" diversion has outlived its usefulness so the White House has been forced to revert to Plan B!

freelight
October 31st, 2017, 08:13 PM
You are tossed back and forth by the waves.


If so, joyously :)

You cannot limit the infinite Ocean to just one particular bottled formula, or container, since the universal water of Spirit is everywhere present.

So, If I as an individual soul am bouncing on the waves of the cosmos,...I have no fear for I am EVER in the arms of the infinite, and there is nowhere I can go outside of that ONE.

This One can be personalized as both 'Father' or 'Mother',...as the divine Parent of all, or viewed in its highest transcendental non-personal sense, as Pure Spirit.....none-the-less,...IT is All There IS :)


In-joy!

freelight
November 1st, 2017, 12:08 AM
Of course you would say that, it proves you hate the Word.

The Word explains that it is not right, but you say yeah it is good.

I'd re-read my former commentary with a little more insight and my own nuance with a touch of humor :)

Again,..if 'God' is the infinite Ocean,...and all movements of life, being, existence....are as the 'waves' in that Ocean,...well,...you cant so much seperate a 'wave' from the 'Ocean', since every wave is a 'part' of the 'Ocean'. Life is one idivisible whole.....IT includes all the parts and the whole as one totality, an ever progressing Creation....an evolving effulgence of potentiality ;)

Understanding the universal truth and divine wisdom woven thru-out creation is fundamental to religious science and experience of life. - the Ocean and waves analogy is just that, an allegory representing a deeper more universal truth of the indivisible ONE.

If you want to call the one universal absolute reality 'God' or give IT a 'name' or 'gender', your own personalization, that is fine...no Big Man in the sky is gonna hit you over the head or send you to 'hell'. 'God' has many names and forms. This must be understood however from the universal metaphysical understanding of 'God' being the pure energy-spirit-consciousness from which all names and forms are made, the essence of which all things come into being, and are given any meaning or value. Hence, 'God' is ever the omnipresent, timeless reality or HEART of all things and beings, being infinite, and the essence of infinity. - and 'you' as a part of 'God' cannot be seperate.

freelight
November 1st, 2017, 12:11 AM
You are outside of God's love if you do not obey Him.

:think:

If one is filled, permeated and inspired by love, surely he will do love's bidding. Since 'God' is love, love is the law, the sustaining, life-giving principle.

jgarden
November 6th, 2017, 12:12 AM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/93/93/b6/9393b6a6745443628e4ed230deb0def0.jpg


Trump's new tax reform plan sounds good to me, let's see if the demonrats try to squash it like they do with everything that's good for America -

Given that the Republicans already have a numerical majority in both the House and the Senate, one wonders as to how it is logical to lay the blame on the Democrats for "squashing" GOP legislation!

Apparently the GOP leadership, in its infinite wisdom, feels that there are no lessons to be learned from the recent healthcare fiascos.

Without even attempting to go through the motions of seeking prior consultations with the Democrats, our Republican "friends" will once again act all surprised and dismayed when they fail to attract bipartisan support, particularly for unpopular legislation.

That being said, I'm sure we can all take comfort in "parick jane's" endorsement of this proposed tax bill, safe in the knowledge that he has read and understood its ramifications before bestowing his much esteemed "seal of approval!"

freelight
November 6th, 2017, 02:42 PM
A prophet, who is a spokesman for God does not make mistakes.


Several of the men whom you venerate in the bible made plenty of mistakes, prophets, kings, priests and apostles alike....among them murder and adultery to name a few. I dont think MC's so called 'sin' approaches anywhere near those 'sins'. Give yourself a break folks. MC can prophesy all he likes, and it may or may not have any meaning or consequence among so many other hundreds of people prophesying 'this' or 'that' over the many years of humanity, and life goes along just as it did, since time immemorial.

What will happen, will happen, including any 'factors' which might modify or condition things in 'how' or 'when' they might happen. All is still in divine providence, since nothing can exist or happen apart from the Infinite ONE, who is omnipresent.....of which this creation is but a 'creative play' (lila) of endless potentials and possibilities.

freelight
November 6th, 2017, 02:46 PM
What you have done is make up stuff and try to pass it off as GOD's word.

MC can only claim what he believes 'God' (whatever being he is calling 'God') reveals to him....so his claims are just that.

The same goes for the 'Bible' who many 'claim' is "God's word", but this too is just a BELIEF.

freelight
November 6th, 2017, 06:08 PM
Your silly world view is just a BELIEF.... but thanks for playing.

The observations hold, and in an equal playing field, if you would like to be intellectually honest in your endeavor...your 'belief' if you have any of any kind, and it qualifies to be defined as a 'belief', is JUST THAT. That observation is not 'silly'(your own projection) as much as it exposes your own 'belief-system' to be as frail as it is, since a 'belief' is 'subjective' and often self-serving.

freelight
November 6th, 2017, 07:40 PM
Like far out, man.

Yes, some belief systems are like that :)

Faither
November 7th, 2017, 05:26 PM
“For His Name’s sake they went forth …” . . “Witnesses unto Me … unto the uttermost part of the earth.”

January 1st

Let us keep to the point

“My eager desire and hope being that I may never feel ashamed, but that now as ever I may do honor to Christ in my own person by fearless courage." Phil. 1:20. (Moffatt.)

My Utmost for His Highest. “My eager desire and hope being that I may never feel ashamed.” We shall all feel very much ashamed if we do not yield to Jesus on the point He has asked us to yield to Him. Paul says—“My determination is to be my utmost for His Highest.” To get there is a question of will, not of debate nor of reasoning, but a surrender of will, an absolute and irrevocable surrender on that point. An over-weening consideration for ourselves is the thing that keeps us from that decision, though we put it that we are considering others. When we consider what it will cost others if we obey the call of Jesus, we tell God He does not know what our obedience will mean. Keep to the point; He does know. Shut out every other consideration and keep yourself before God for this one thing only—“My Utmost for His Highest.” I am determined to be absolutely and entirely for Him and for Him alone.

My Undeterredness for His Holiness. “Whether that means life or death, no matter!” (v. 21). Paul is determined that nothing shall deter him from doing exactly what God wants. God’s order has to work up to a crisis in our lives because we will not heed the gentler way. He brings us to the place where He asks us to be our utmost for Him, and we begin to debate; then He produces a providential crisis where we have to decide—for or against, and from that point the ‘Great Divide’ begins.

If the crisis has come to you on any line, surrender your will to Him absolutely and irrevocably. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oswald Chambers

Surrender your life and will to Him , absolutely and irrevocably ? Sounds familiar , sounds like "pisteuo."

Who is this Oswald Chambers ?

freelight
November 7th, 2017, 07:59 PM
Notice:

For those interested...the previous posts of mine 'placed' here by someone else from the 'Thread for tracking Michael Cadry's 11/9/2017 prophecy'....were not 'SPAM', and I was "removed" from the thread from which the above posts are from with no 'reason' or 'explanation' given to me which is just shady.

Granted this forum is 'biased', but when people cant handle my commentary and fail to be able to engage the points shared in it intelligently (thru rational debate/dialogue, point by point), just 'banning' someone from the thread is an 'underhanded tactic' since I'm just as much an equal 'card carrying' theology player just as any of the others.

In any case, the above is not 'spam' since I'm addressing the issue of MC's prophecy and specifically addressing those criticizing his 'false prophesies' pointing out their own shortcomings (and their tangents), which for some is just too 'uncomfortable' to handle. - so just 'eject' the one offering an opposing, different or nuanced view of the subject. Thats pretty telling.

While I may not agree with MC's religious proclivities, I've never nit picked about his infamous prophecies (as if they really mattered or have any more weight than other prophecy ever given by so called prophets), but offered universal or particular insights into the subjects at hand, addressing pot shot comments, unlike the finger pointers here from the 'forum sanctioned theology' club, who can ridicule and demean others with full license and not have to worry about being conveniently "removed".

musterion
November 8th, 2017, 04:18 AM
Notice:

For those interested...the previous posts of mine 'placed' here by someone else from the 'Thread for tracking Michael Cadry's 11/9/2017 prophecy'....were not 'SPAM', and I was "removed" from the thread from which the above posts are from with no 'reason' or 'explanation' given to me which is just shady.

Granted this forum is 'biased', but when people cant handle my commentary and fail to be able to engage the points shared in it intelligently (thru rational debate/dialogue, point by point), just 'banning' someone from the thread is an 'underhanded tactic' since I'm just as much an equal 'card carrying' theology player just as any of the others.

In any case, the above is not 'spam' since I'm addressing the issue of MC's prophecy and specifically addressing those criticizing his 'false prophesies' pointing out their own shortcomings (and their tangents), which for some is just too 'uncomfortable' to handle. - so just 'eject' the one offering an opposing, different or nuanced view of the subject. Thats pretty telling.

While I may not agree with MC's religious proclivities, I've never nit picked about his infamous prophecies (as if they really mattered or have any more weight than other prophecy ever given by so called prophets), but offered universal or particular insights into the subjects at hand, addressing pot shot comments, unlike the finger pointers here from the 'forum sanctioned theology' club, who can ridicule and demean others with full license and not have to worry about being conveniently "removed".

Whining like that makes the age of Aquarius cry.

patrick jane
November 8th, 2017, 04:28 AM
Notice:

For those interested...the previous posts of mine 'placed' here by someone else from the 'Thread for tracking Michael Cadry's 11/9/2017 prophecy'....were not 'SPAM', and I was "removed" from the thread from which the above posts are from with no 'reason' or 'explanation' given to me which is just shady.

Granted this forum is 'biased', but when people cant handle my commentary and fail to be able to engage the points shared in it intelligently (thru rational debate/dialogue, point by point), just 'banning' someone from the thread is an 'underhanded tactic' since I'm just as much an equal 'card carrying' theology player just as any of the others.

In any case, the above is not 'spam' since I'm addressing the issue of MC's prophecy and specifically addressing those criticizing his 'false prophesies' pointing out their own shortcomings (and their tangents), which for some is just too 'uncomfortable' to handle. - so just 'eject' the one offering an opposing, different or nuanced view of the subject. Thats pretty telling.

While I may not agree with MC's religious proclivities, I've never nit picked about his infamous prophecies (as if they really mattered or have any more weight than other prophecy ever given by so called prophets), but offered universal or particular insights into the subjects at hand, addressing pot shot comments, unlike the finger pointers here from the 'forum sanctioned theology' club, who can ridicule and demean others with full license and not have to worry about being conveniently "removed".You're not in tune with your Chakra

musterion
November 8th, 2017, 04:32 AM
Al Gore can help him out.

Ew.

freelight
November 8th, 2017, 06:15 AM
Whining like that makes the age of Aquarius cry.

Recognizing pettiness, arbitrary 'removals' from a discussion and censorship is far from 'whining' but telling it like it is. But have fun in the 'peanut gallery' with the heretic hunters, which is really the 'goon squad' in religious dress.



pj writes:

You're not in tune with your Chakra

Im aware enough to share the facts of the actions taken and have a voice to share my opinion of such, which may or may not have anything to do with my 'chakra' dear. Btw, there are at least 7 primary ones, 9 in another school, and many more in some systems. Perhaps it is you who need your "spinning wheels" tuned ;)

:thumb:

Cross Reference
November 8th, 2017, 07:15 AM
Surrender your life and will to Him , absolutely and irrevocably ? Sounds familiar , sounds like "pisteuo."

Who is this Oswald Chambers ?


In this by Chambers does abandonment of one's life to God be but other way of expressing one's faith made completely exceptable to God. . . and for his pleasure. Jesus was full of Grace and truth as the result by His doing so. Jesus, the man, became our example "for His pleasure" to be satisfied.

http://cdn.rbc.org/dhp/ebook/Complet...bers_FV162.pdf

The Foreword and intro. speaks to what I believe you wish to know.

Faither
November 8th, 2017, 08:28 AM
In this by Chambers does abandonment of one's life to God be but other way of expressing one's faith made completely exceptable to God. . . and for his pleasure. Jesus was full of Grace and truth as the result by His doing so. Jesus, the man, became our example "for His pleasure" to be satisfied.

http://cdn.rbc.org/dhp/ebook/Complet...bers_FV162.pdf

The Foreword and intro. speaks to what I believe you wish to know.

Is it ok to discuss that statement here on this thread.

Do you understand the door to Salvation only opens with the Complete and continual surrendering of our lives to God ?

Sherman
November 8th, 2017, 11:49 AM
You were derailing the thread. That is why you were removed. The thread isn't about 'flaws in the bible' and 'flaws in the christian belief system'. Its about the issue of the modern prophecy movement.

Zeke
November 10th, 2017, 08:37 AM
So no flaws in beliefs mask as christian in that thread is false, just like being stopped by a cop for fictitious reasons you're reasoning is just as dishonest, instead of coming out and being truthful about why you really remove certain people from the fictitious religion section under christian rulership, you use the color of law to pretend you have some integrity.

freelight
November 10th, 2017, 02:57 PM
So no flaws in beliefs mask as christian in that thread is false, just like being stopped by a cop for fictitious reasons you're reasoning is just as dishonest, instead of coming out and being truthful about why you really remove certain people from the fictitious religion section under christian rulership, you use the color of law to pretend you have some integrity.

You know the drill,..but lets respect basic 1st amendment rights, still granting particular rules for certain forum venues of course, but reminding moderators of such that some of us are more liberal and eclectic in our world views and more philosophically challenging. Its all good, as I'm at that point in my usual forte of 'creative dialogue' to question or drop even my own religious beliefs, opinions, points of view, (if necessary or correctively) since I from the realm of higher consciousness recognize, they are JUST points of view.

Now whether something has any meaning, value or pertinence within any given context is a matter of free and open discussion (engaging points, criteria measures, defining terms, rationale, etc.), which is what I'm about, even if skeptical or mildly scolding of what I see as limiting and binding dogmas, which instead of liberating souls, put minds in 'grid-lock' and works against the universal truth found thru-out the whole of existence. Add onto this, one's own personal bias and opinion of what qualifies as 'spam' :) - another hot potato.

On the outer edges or within the melting pot, I take a stab at humor every once in awhile (visualize a laughing Jesus or Buddha), since one can get too serious over things, although serious research and scholarship is essential for some subject material. As I've said, "its all alphabet soup" anyways,....and a rose is a rose by any name,...the same goes for that 'entity', 'personality', 'spirit', or 'energy-source' we call 'God' (again just playing with 'words' and 'names'...'denominations'). - various 'theologies' also are invented, developed and assumed, so some arguments or claims become ridiculous or mind-numbing after awhile, since one cannot claim exclusivity about one ray of light, when that same energy-source (Light itself) contains all colours of the rainbow and beyond.

Reality is all-inclusive; - a religious cult, belief-system, school or tradition is but one particular expression or 'model' (mode) channeling its own modified or fashioned version, its own interpreting or translation of reality. From an individualized point of view, we are all 'modems' for 'God', even though our filters distort the original light to one degree or another, unless we dissolve wholly into God-consciousness, and assume total identification with 'God' ONLY, as 'God'.

As far as 'spam theology' goes, any number of threads could fit into this 'catagory' which would make the propogators 'spammers'. Everyone likes their 'milk' and 'meat' prepared differently ;)

While some subjects I approach seriously, much else is entertainment.

Danoh
November 12th, 2017, 07:27 AM
All dispensationalists are liars too!

And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal. 3:29

Well I don't know about other "MADs" on here, as they might hold a different view on some of that than the MADs outside of TOL that I find I share an understanding with on many things.

But my understanding of Galatians 3 is that...

Christ had been of Abraham's physical seed.

But this issue is a spiritual one.

And if ye be Christ's - which is a spiritual union - then you are also of Abraham's spiritual seed - according to the promise.

Thing is, just what was that promise?

And just how is it that a Gentile is made an heir of that promise?

And what is Paul talking in light of?

In light of the fact that whatever said promise had been; it had been before the Law with its Performance Based Acceptance, was temporarily added to that promise.

Also, Paul is actually talking about Gentiles not only in Abraham spiritually, but before Abraham was in Circumcision, or back when he too had been...a Gentile.

And all that "spiritual" is, is the issue of Abraham's same...having believed God...when he too had been in...Uncircumcision.

It was back then - when Abraham was in Uncircumcision - that God said to him that in him - in his seed: Christ - all the families of the Earth would be blessed.

And Abraham believed Him; and his having believed Him, was counted for righteousness...based on the coming merit of The Cross.

That is the promise - Christ Himself "the blessing of Christ."

And that is the case - Christ Himself is that promise - He is the Promise, both within that which was Prophesied about Him throughout the OT as to Israel, as well as now, this side of Israel's fall and temporary setting aside, and with that, God's revealing of the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the Mystery, which in contrast to that which was Prophesied, was kept secret since the world began, but now was being made manifest - the preaching of, or concerning God's New Creature in Christ: the Body of Christ.

Romans 4 and Romans 8 share this connection with Galataians 3 and Galatians 6, but as a result of Romans 3, in light of Romans 9 thru 11, not in light of Isaiah 60 and Isaiah 66, which are on hold; Romans 9.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Acts 17:11, 12.

Danoh
November 12th, 2017, 07:49 AM
Fascinating.

One one side, Bible believers.

On the other, a bitter ex-Catholic agnostic, an agnostic/atheist, a Jehovah's Witness reject, and the documented chronic blasphemer they're defending.

http://www.themeasurementstandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/spock_fascinating.jpg

Rubbish - more like "on the one side so called Bible Believers" - you and your pals - who use their knowledge of the Word to spit on anyone they disagree with, or who opposes their view.

You well know yours is a lust for a forum where only you and your ever hypocritical pals can go back and forth with one another looking down your noses at others, unopposed.

You have a forum on here (the MAD Forum).

It mostly lies dormant, for months on end, year upon year.

Why?

Because you and your pals have very little actually constructive to go back and forth on.

Instead, you and your pals are ever all over TOL spitting on anyone who does not hold your views.

What is to be our perspective where those we consider not of our own is concerned?

The same perspective as this...

1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

Not some pie in the sky site just for you and your pals to go on about your obvious hypocrisy, unopposed.

Your obvious "communism" is nonsense, musti.

Tribulation is good for one, Romans 5.

Danoh
November 12th, 2017, 09:58 AM
Rubbish

Problem with your parroting as some lame attempt at a rebuttal, is that you are a Trump supporter.

Meaning, you have proven by your support of that fool, that you have no actually sound moral compass upon which to base your comments.

Not that that will stop your ever self-deluded kind :chuckle:

Or as Mark Twain might have reiterated, upon encountering your kind - "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

Tambora
November 12th, 2017, 03:40 PM
This is Danoh being Danoh.


Rubbish - more like "on the one side so called Bible Believers" - you and your pals - who use their knowledge of the Word to spit on anyone they disagree with, or who opposes their view.From the one that tells everyone they are wrong, hybrids, graceless, clueless, etc. etc. etc., that show you your own hypocrisy.
Apparently, for you, what is good for the Danoh goose is only good for the Danoh goose.


You well know yours is a lust for a forum where only you and your ever hypocritical pals can go back and forth with one another looking down your noses at others, unopposedAnd you well know that yours is a lust for a forum where only you have the proper moral superiority to put down others.


You have a forum on here (the MAD Forum).You belittle that also.


It mostly lies dormant, for months on end, year upon year.People get sick of you coming in there constantly posting your lectures to put down others.


Why?Watch, it will be anyone's fault, except his.


Because you and your pals have very little actually constructive to go back and forth on.Right on schedule.


Instead, you and your pals are ever all over TOL spitting on anyone who does not hold your views.And you spend your time all over TOL lecturing and putting down anyone who does not hold your views, or your study habits, or your hypocrisy.


What is to be our perspective where those we consider not of our own is concerned?To you, it is to lecture and put them down for not seeing things the way you do.


The same perspective as this...

1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

Not some pie in the sky site just for you and your pals to go on about your obvious hypocrisy, unopposed.

Your obvious "communism" is nonsense, musti.

Tribulation is good for one, Romans 5.Right back at 'cha.

Emperor Danoh constantly belittle others while admiring his own new clothes.

Tambora
November 12th, 2017, 03:51 PM
Problem with your parroting as some lame attempt at a rebuttal,Like parroting the same lecture over and over and over, as if people are too stupid to know that not all think the same way.


is that you are a Trump supporter.Here it comes ...... guilt by association, not on your individuality.
Just group them all together in the same box.
And this is supposed to be an 'intelligent' unbiased way of making a point?
You are delusional!


Meaning, you have proven by your support of that fool, that you have no actually sound moral compass upon which to base your comments.There you have it, folks.


Not that that will stop your ever self-deluded kind :chuckle:We know you will not stop your ever self-adoration of your high horse.
The lectures and put downs will continue right on schedule.


Or as Mark Twain might have reiterated, upon encountering your kind - "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."That should be posted on your mirror.

You are hypocritical self-deluded fool that thrives on putting down others.

Faither
November 15th, 2017, 08:36 AM
November 15th

What is that to thee?

"Lord, what shall this man do?… What is that to thee? Follow thou Me." John 21:21, 22.

One of our severest lessons comes from the stubborn refusal to see that we must not interfere in other people’s lives. It takes a long time to realize the danger of being an amateur providence, that is, interfering with God’s order for others. You see a certain person suffering, and you say—‘He shall not suffer, and I will see that he does not.’ You put your hand straight in front of God’s permissive will to prevent it, and God says—“What is that to thee?” If there is stagnation spiritually, never allow it to go on, but get into God’s presence and find out the reason for it. Possibly you will find it is because you have been interfering in the life of another; proposing things you had no right to propose; advising when you had no right to advise. When you do have to give advice to another, God will advise through you with the direct understanding of His Spirit; your part is to be so rightly related to God that His discernment comes through you all the time for the blessing of another soul.

Most of us live on the borders of consciousness—consciously serving, consciously devoted to God. All this is immature, it is not the real life yet. The mature stage is the life of a child which is never conscious; we become so abandoned to God that the consciousness of being used never enters in. When we are consciously being used as broken bread and poured-out wine, there is another stage to be reached, where all consciousness of ourselves and of what God is doing through us is eliminated. A saint is never consciously a saint; a saint is consciously dependent on God.

Oswald Chambers

Just hearing some of the teachings of OC , i'm really impressed . I've really never heard things from another teacher , pastor , anyone who echo the things that are not only in my life but in my mind (of Christ) . It's still early , but i'm at the beginning stage discerning OC as being something to take a second look at.

I have a brother who has a drinking problem . Long story short my mother is always catching him when he falls . She's continually telling me to pray for him . Seeing that i pray in secret and do not talk to people about it , i want to tell her that all the bad things that are happening to him could as the result of prayer . And that every time she steps in to save him , she is getting in Gods way . So i relate to what Oswald is saying there in alot of things.

What he's saying about the consciousness of the saint is right on. I don't know about anyone else , but that is how i feel mentally in Christ. The only thing i would add is a part of that "none" conscious state of being a Saint is having that ever increasing desire to know Him better.

Nice post CR.

Faither
November 16th, 2017, 09:29 AM
November 17th

The external goal

"By Myself have I sworn, said the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, … that in blessing I will bless thee.…" Genesis 22:15–19 .

Abraham has reached the place where he is in touch with the very nature of God, he understands now the reality of God.

‘My goal is God Himself …
At any cost, dear Lord, by any road.’

‘At any cost, by any road’ means nothing self-chosen in the way God brings us to the goal.

There is no possibility of questioning when God speaks if He speaks to His own nature in me; prompt obedience is the only result. When Jesus says—“Come,” I simply come; when He says—“Let go,” I let go; when he says—“Trust in God in this matter,” I do trust. The whole working out is the evidence that the nature of God is in me.

God’s revelation of Himself to me is determined by my character, not by God’s character.

‘Tis because I am mean,
Thy ways so oft look mean to me.’

By the discipline of obedience I get to the place where Abraham was, and I see Who God is. I never have a real God until I have come face to face with Him in Jesus Christ, then I know that “in all the world, my God, there is none but Thee, there is none but Thee.”

The promises of God are of no value to us until by obedience we understand the nature of God. We read some things in the Bible three hundred and sixty-five times and they mean nothing to us; then all of a sudden we see what God means, because in some particular we have obeyed God, and instantly His nature is opened up. “All the promises of God in Him are yea, and in Him Amen.” The “yea” must be born of obedience; when by the obedience of our lives we say “Amen” to promise, then that promise is ours.

Oswald Chamber

Everything of God comes by "faith and faithing ". Obedience is a fruit of the Holy Spirit and the result of a continual genuine surrendered life. So in this teaching OC seems to contradict himself by saying we are in Christ by first surrender , and now by obedience . Can't be both .

This contradiction is the thing i discern as a red flag .

Faither
November 17th, 2017, 08:47 AM
November 16th

Still human!

"Whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." 1 Cor. 10:31.

The great marvel of the Incarnation slips into ordinary childhood’s life; the great marvel of the Transfiguration vanishes in the devil-possessed valley; the glory of the Resurrection descends into a breakfast on the sea-shore. This is not an anticlimax, but a great revelation of God.

The tendency is to look for the marvellous in our experience; we mistake the sense of the heroic for being heroes. It is one thing to go through a crisis grandly, but another thing to go through every day glorifying God when there is no witness, no limelight, no one paying the remotest attention to us. If we do not want medieval haloes, we want something that will make people say—‘What a wonderful man of prayer he is!’ ‘What a pious, devoted woman she is!’ If you are rightly devoted to the Lord Jesus, you have reached the sublime height where no one ever thinks of noticing you, all that is noticed is that the power of God comes through you all the time.

‘Oh, I have had a wonderful call from God!’ It takes Almighty God Incarnate in us to do the meanest duty to the glory of God. It takes God’s Spirit in us to make us so absolutely humanly His that we are utterly unnoticeable. The test of the life of a saint is not success, but faithfulness in human life as it actually is. We will set up success in Christian work as the aim; the aim is to manifest the glory of God in human life, to live the life hid with Christ in God in human conditions. Our human relationships are the actual conditions in which the ideal life of God is to be exhibited.

Oswald Chambers

Yes we want to have a life completly led by the Holy Spirit in us . And we also want to have ministries that show the world that Gods Spirit is at work here. But the paradox of that or what is happening at the same time is that because we are of God and not of the world , the world will hate us . They don't even know why they just hate us in Christ . So a true place where the Holy Spirit shows itself , in my opinion will not last long because the world will destroy it.

Faither
November 17th, 2017, 10:41 AM
Please offer this up in different thread. Start one, Bro. I would love to comment.

;)

BTW; Obedience isn't a fruit . . . an attribute I would say.

Attributes without the Spirit of Christ are worthless .

Attributes with the Spirit of Christ is everything .

Good fruit vs bad fruit .

Faither
November 17th, 2017, 09:38 PM
Are,t you confusing Faith with an attribute ?

jgarden
November 19th, 2017, 02:47 PM
https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2017/09/18/greg-perry-tax-reform-hurricane/greg-perry-tax-reform-hurricane.jpg.size.custom.crop.752x650.jpg

Trump Tax Reform

- American voters oppose the Republican tax reform plan by a two-to-one margin,

- 52% of Americans disapprove of the GOP tax plan

- only 25% approve

- 52% believe the tax plan would not create an increase in jobs or economic growth

http://time.com/5026846/gop-tax-reform-plan-poll-disapproval/

Faither
November 20th, 2017, 05:12 PM
November 20th

The forgiveness of God

"In whom we have … the forgiveness of sins." Eph. 1:7.

Beware of the pleasant view of the Fatherhood of God—God is so kind and loving that of course He will forgive us. That sentiment has no place whatever in the New Testament. The only ground on which God can forgive us is the tremendous tragedy of the Cross of Christ; to put forgiveness on any other ground is unconscious blasphemy. The only ground on which God can forgive sin and reinstate us in His favour is through the Cross of Christ, and in no other way. Forgiveness, which is so easy for us to accept, cost the agony of Calvary. It is possible to take the forgiveness of sin, the gift of the Holy Ghost, and our sanctification with the simplicity of faith, and to forget at what enormous cost to God it was all made ours.

Forgiveness is the divine miracle of grace; it cost God the Cross of Jesus Christ before He could forgive sin and remain a holy God. Never accept a view of the Fatherhood of God if it blots out the Atonement. The revelation of God is that He cannot forgive; He would contradict His nature if He did. The only way we can be forgiven is by being brought back to God by the Atonement. God’s forgiveness is only natural in the super-natural domain.

Compared with the miracle of the forgiveness of sin, the experience of sanctification is slight. Sanctification is simply the marvellous expression of the forgiveness of sins in a human life, but the thing that awakens the deepest well of gratitude in a human being is that God has forgiven sin. Paul never got away from this. When once you realize all that it cost God to forgive you, you will be held as in a vice, constrained by the love of God.

Oswald Chambers

Sanctification simply means "to be separated from our sinful nature unto something else ".

OC said ,
" The only ground on which God can forgive sin and reinstate us in His favor is through the Cross of Christ, and in no other way."

That is half true . How do we access that ground that forgives sin and reinstates us in His favor ? By Faithing , "pisteuo". By a continual surrendering of our lives to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender .

In reality , every person ever born is forgiven by what Christ did on the cross . But one has to recieve that gift by faithing , Pisteuo in the Greek .

As for being " constrained by the love of God by " .

If we have been given the Grace deposit ( or what we refer to as being given the Spirit of Christ) it is harder to get out of Gods will for us , than is is to stay in it .

If we haven't been given the Spirit of Christ , and God the Father is not drawing us , God spends more time making sure this one doesn't accidentally faithe into Him and in doing so will have to start perfecting him .

The Greek is specific , God calls a small group of the ones He wants , out from among a larger group of those who He does not want.

Cross Reference
November 20th, 2017, 06:26 PM
This is a discussion group . I'm not presenting anything not of God .

Then "present" yourself to yourself.

<ignore mode on>

Faither
November 20th, 2017, 06:36 PM
Then "present" yourself to yourself.

<ignore mode on>

Instead of putting me on ignore mode , why don't you spend a couple of days going back and rereading all the posts i've presented on Faith and faithing . Theres a lot of them . Ask God to let you see .

And just so you know , i don't agree with alot of what my teacher understands either . A good teacher will give you places to build a foundation on , then they allow you to stand on their shoulders to see even further than he did . OC has some really good understandings , i hope when i see them i give them justice .

Faither
November 21st, 2017, 08:13 AM
November 21st

It is finished

"I have finished the work which Thou gavest Me to do." John 17:4.

The death of Jesus Christ is the performance in history of the very mind of God. There is no room for looking on Jesus Christ as a martyr; His death was not something that happened to Him which might have been prevented. His death was the very reason why He came.

Never build your preaching of forgiveness on the fact that God is our Father and He will forgive us because He loves us. It is untrue to Jesus Christ’s revelation of God; it makes the Cross unnecessary, and the Redemption “much ado about nothing.” If God does forgive sin, it is because of the death of Christ. God could forgive men in no other way than by the death of His Son, and Jesus is exalted to be Saviour because of His death. “We see Jesus … because of the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour.” The greatest note of triumph that ever sounded in the ears of a startled universe was that sounded on the Cross of Christ—“It is finished.” That is the last word in the Redemption of man.

Anything that belittles or obliterates the holiness of God by a false view of the love of God, is untrue to the revelation of God given by Jesus Christ. Never allow the thought that Jesus Christ stands with us against God out of pity and compassion; that He became a curse for us out of sympathy with us. Jesus Christ became a curse for us by the Divine decree. Our portion of realizing the terrific meaning of the curse is conviction of sin, the gift of shame and penitence is given us; this is the great mercy of God. Jesus Christ hates the wrong in man, and Calvary is the estimate of His hatred.

Oswald Chambers

Jesus came and did what He did for three main reasons . One , He had to be "kin" to us , He had to be human . Two , He had to live a life as a human that never broke Gods law , not even in thought . Three , with that perfection attained , His blood was the only covering for our imperfections that God the Father would accept to give us access to Him.

Yes , the Father gifted His only begotten Son to do this . But there is a price for us to pay , a kind of tender that only spends in heaven . That tender is Faith and faithing . Specifically the continual sacrificing of our lives to Christ .

Faithing "is" the title deed !

Cross Reference
November 21st, 2017, 08:03 PM
That too is, "hokum". You can't even get that correct. His reasons for coming are far removed from your explanation that should give you pause to question your salvation, certainly a new birth if you believe for one. However, if you study the scriptures you should be able find out where you went wrong. Start at the beginning again . for the first time..

Faither
November 21st, 2017, 08:35 PM
That too is, "hokum". You can't even get that correct. His reasons for coming are far removed from your explanation that should give you pause to question your salvation, certainly a new birth if you believe for one. However, if you study the scriptures you should be able find out where you went wrong. Start at the beginning again . for the first time..

CR , i live the Scriptures ! And this happens because of a surrendered life , and a life of decisions that support the surrendered life . I have a gifted teacher who only purpose in life is to perfect me and others . I leave the studying to he who has been given that responsibility . I look for my own epistle to come to fruition .

Your decieved into thinking we all should be discerning scripture by getting our own private interpretation from the Holy Spirit . Thats not only not biblical , it's impossible if it's not yours yet because Faithing action has not begun .

I'll give you the last word.

Faither
November 22nd, 2017, 08:49 AM
November 22nd

Shallow and profound

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God". 1 Cor. 10:31.

Beware of allowing yourself to think that the shallow concerns of life are not ordained of God; they are as much of God as the profound. It is not your devotion to God that makes you refuse to be shallow, but your wish to impress other people with the fact that you are not shallow, which is a sure sign that you are a spiritual prig. Be careful of the production of contempt in yourself, it always comes along this line, and causes you to go about as a walking rebuke to other people because they are more shallow than you are. Beware of posing as a profound person; God became a Baby.

To be shallow is not a sign of being wicked, nor is shallowness a sign that there are no deeps; the ocean has a shore. The shallow amenities of life, eating and drinking, walking and talking, are all ordained by God. These are the things in which Our Lord lived. He lived in them as the Son of God, and He said that “the disciple is not above his Master.”

Our safeguard is in the shallow things. We have to live the surface commonsense life in a commonsense way; when the deeper things come, God gives them to us apart from the shallow concerns. Never show the deeps to anyone but God. We are so abominably serious, so desperately interested in our own characters, that we refuse to behave like Christians in the shallow concerns of life.

Determinedly take no one seriously but God, and the first person you find you have to leave severely alone as being the greatest fraud you have ever known, is yourself.

Oswald Chambers

One of the hardest scripture to understand much less preach on is Rom. 7:14-21.

OC talked about Sanctification yesterday and then today teaches on how to manage the very thing we have been sanctified (or separated ) from .

Paul teaches it best . When he looks at all the things OC is trying to manage , the correct answer is just what paul said . "It's not me doing it."

Hard concept to follow , but preachers can't preach what paul said and beat on us about sin at the same time .

Still to understand any of Gods deeper truths , one must be His by Faith , the continual surrendering of our lives to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender . Vines

Cross Reference
November 24th, 2017, 07:39 AM
One of the hardest scripture to understand much less preach on is Rom. 7:14-21.

OC talked about Sanctification yesterday and then today teaches on how to manage the very thing we have been sanctified (or separated ) from .

Paul teaches it best . When he looks at all the things OC is trying to manage , the correct answer is just what paul said . "It's not me doing it."

Hard concept to follow , but preachers can't preach what paul said and beat on us about sin at the same time .

Still to understand any of Gods deeper truths , one must be His by Faith , the continual surrendering of our lives to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender . Vines

I am still looking for "obedience" from you you say is a "fruit of the spirit". But, keep posting. Keep testifying to persuade to the 'falseness' in your spirit. Perhaps there is yet more from you that might catch someone off guard. They are the one's you are after, right?

Btw: What evidence might you require to convince yourself of anyone who declares they have already surrendered their life to God that for them, you are preaching to the choir and need to move on to another subject? Go for it.

Faither
November 24th, 2017, 09:30 AM
I am still looking for "obedience" from you you say is a "fruit of the spirit". But, keep posting. Keep testifying to persuade to the 'falseness' in your spirit. Perhaps there is yet more from you that might catch someone off guard. They are the one's you are after, right?

Btw: What evidence might you require to convince yourself of anyone who declares they have already surrendered their life to God that for them, you are preaching to the choir and need to move on to another subject? Go for it.

If your honest and willing to act like an adult , maybe we can discuss this . Your so out of wack right now your not making any sense to anyone . So if your willing lets give it a try .

The Vines Greek definition of pisteuo is , "A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."

I'm not making all this up as you've insinuated . It's a fact .

The issue going on between you and i are , i support this definition 100% , you do not agree with this definition ..

I guess since it's not something i'm making up as you've stated , maybe we can start by explaining why do you not accept the true definition of this extremely important word .

Cross Reference
November 24th, 2017, 10:11 AM
The Vines Greek definition of pisteuo is , "A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."

What gives you the right to presume I don't know what surrender means and why anyone needs to know original Greek to understand, sonny Jim? What else do you got to offer as your "bright spot"? Is that it??

Now be the Christian you claim to be and get off this thread.

Faither
November 24th, 2017, 11:00 AM
What gives you the right to presume I don't know what surrender means and why anyone needs to know original Greek to understand, sonny Jim? What else do you got to offer as your "bright spot"? Is that it??

Well because Gods Word is part of my bone marrow as the result of continual pisteuo , made possible by the work of Christ on the cross , i judge all things and am under no mans judgement . This does not include eternal judgements.

Now that i've answered your question will you answer mine ?


The Vines Greek definition of pisteuo is , "A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."

I'm not making all this up as you've insinuated . It's a fact .

The issue going on between you and i are , i support this definition 100% , you do not agree with this definition ..

I guess since it's not something i'm making up as you've stated , maybe we can start by explaining why do you not accept the true definition of this extremely important word .

Sonny jim ken , lol i haven't heard that in a long time .

Cross Reference
November 24th, 2017, 01:45 PM
Well because Gods Word is part of my bone marrow as the result of continual pisteuo , made possible by the work of Christ on the cross , i judge all things and am under no mans judgement . This does not include eternal judgements.

Now that i've answered your question will you answer mine ?


Sorry, you have proven by your own words you are NOT of the spirit that can judge all things and not be judged by man. You are not under anyone's authority which makes you, 'lawless'.

Your answer is no answer but a statement of error that renders you to be, at a minimum by the light of God's word, an insufferable bore. At the most by that same light, a presumptous alien to it by the method you espouse.. You are not of His kingdom and cannot be by the fact of your allegiance to one of its adversaries who attempted to promote his own. And the "Very important word" "faithing", you claim to be the word of words, cannot be found in scripture. I will report you if you continue to harass this once peaceful, thread.

You want to PM me? Feel free. Go for it.

Faither
November 24th, 2017, 02:03 PM
Sorry, you have proven by your own words you are NOT of the spirit that can judge all things and not be judged by man. You are not under anyone's authority which makes you, 'lawless'.

Your answer is no answer but a statement of error that renders you to be, at a minimum by the light of God's word, an insufferable bore. At the most by that same light, a presumptous alien to it by the method you espouse.. You are not of His kingdom and cannot be by the fact of your allegiance to one of its adversaries who attempted to promote his own. And the "Very important word" "faithing", you claim to be the word of words, cannot be found in scripture. I will report you if you continue to harass this once peaceful, thread.

You want to PM me? Feel free. Go for it.

All that to say you can't answer the question ? I don't care what you think about the messenger , that wasn't my question . you've made it quite clear what you have to offer me inside you .

I'll tell you what, you answer this question and i'll leave your "once" peaceful thread alone .


The Vines Greek definition of pisteuo is , "A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."

I'm not making all this up as you've insinuated . It's a fact .

The issue going on between you and i are , i support this definition 100% , you do not agree with this definition ..

I guess since it's not something i'm making up as you've stated , maybe we can start by explaining why do you not accept the true definition of this extremely important word .

Cross Reference
November 24th, 2017, 03:43 PM
All that to say you can't answer the question ? I don't care what you think about the messenger , that wasn't my question . you've made it quite clear what you have to offer me inside you .

I'll tell you what, you answer this question and i'll leave your "once" peaceful thread alone .


The Vines Greek definition of pisteuo is , "A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."

I'm not making all this up as you've insinuated . It's a fact .

The issue going on between you and i are , i support this definition 100% , you do not agree with this definition ..

I guess since it's not something i'm making up as you've stated , maybe we can start by explaining why do you not accept the true definition of this extremely important word .

Among others you haven't replied to, answer this I am still waiting for you do:

"I am still looking for "obedience" from you you say is a "fruit of the spirit". But, keep posting. Keep testifying to persuade to the 'falseness' in your spirit. Perhaps there is yet more from you that might catch someone off guard. They are the one's you are after, right?

"What evidence might you require to convince yourself of anyone who declares they have already surrendered their life to God and that for them, you are preaching to the choir and need to move on to another subject? Go for it."

Faither
November 24th, 2017, 04:40 PM
Among others you haven't replied to, answer this I am still waiting for you do:

"I am still looking for "obedience" from you you say is a "fruit of the spirit". But, keep posting. Keep testifying to persuade to the 'falseness' in your spirit. Perhaps there is yet more from you that might catch someone off guard. They are the one's you are after, right?

"What evidence might you require to convince yourself of anyone who declares they have already surrendered their life to God and that for them, you are preaching to the choir and need to move on to another subject? Go for it."

Surrendering your life to God is not a one time action. It's continual and daily. You say that there are those who have fulfilled this yet nobody has come forward in agreement with this mandatory lifestyle or the correct definition , not even you . So if your trying to sneak in the back door claiming you now agree we must continually surrender our lives to Christ daily , that would be a new and great revelation . Are you now saying you agree with the Vines definition of pisteuo and agree pisteuo is consistent with what saving Faith or faithing in God is ?

Cross Reference
November 24th, 2017, 05:12 PM
Surrendering your life to God is not a one time action. It's continual and daily. You say that there are those who have fulfilled this yet nobody has come forward in agreement with this mandatory lifestyle or the correct definition , not even you . So if your trying to sneak in the back door claiming you now agree we must continually surrender our lives to Christ daily , that would be a new and great revelation . Are you now saying you agree with the Vines definition of pisteuo and agree pisteuo is consistent with what saving Faith or faithing in God is ?

You offer nothing new or noteworthy. Surrending one's life, abandoning it to God, abiding in Christ, has been taught for years where disciples of Jesus Christ have profited greatly by their love to Him. [Dr. whats his name] sought only to make it his private teaching you have bought into believing it to be a method instaed of a lifestyle. Too bad you didn't get your moneys worth. I would ask for a refund from his unlearned wife.

Faither
November 24th, 2017, 07:29 PM
You offer nothing new or noteworthy. Surrending one's life, abandoning it to God, abiding in Christ, has been taught for years where disciples of Jesus Christ have profited greatly by their love to Him. [Dr. whats his name] sought only to make it his private teaching you have bought into believing it to be a method instaed of a lifestyle. Too bad you didn't get your moneys worth. I would ask for a refund from his unlearned wife.

Your just going in circles with a different personal attacks Ken , i'm surprised your doing that. I thought you were different than the others here . turned out i was wrong.

So this is what will happen . When you and your household stands before God , you will know the truth . You will grudgingly try to tell God you never knew that , but God will say i specifically sent you someone to warn you . I know your 79 , but it's not to late to start NT saving faith (pisteuo) . But one day soon , it's going to be one day to late .

And FYI , What i'm sharing with you i have experienced , not learned from anyone . And the unlearned wife you disrespected , she speaks 22 different languages fluently , and has just received her Dr's degree in theology . I'm not sharing any of her teachings with you either . Gods Word needs to be yours first .

I'm rooting for you Ken .

jgarden
November 30th, 2017, 04:52 PM
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/566788e68430761f008b8880-960/daily%20news%20donald%20trump.jpg

President has portrayed the influx of immigrant Islamic terrorists in Europe and America as the greatest threat to the safety of the public.

The probability of the average American being killed by a refugee terrorist 1:46,198,873
which means they are -
************************************************** *******************************
• 6 times more likely to die from a shark attack (one of the rarest forms of death on Earth)

• 29 times more likely to die from a regional asteroid strike

• 260 times more likely to be struck and killed by lightning

• 4,700 times more likely to die in an aeroplane or spaceship accident

• 129,000 times more likely to die in a gun assault

• 407,000 times more likely to die in a motor vehicle incident

• 6.9 million times more likely to die from cancer or heart disease

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

Statistically, the fear of immigrant terrorists is not a rational response, but this President is doing everything in his power to promote "Muslim bashing," which will only serve to recruit more Islamic extremists!

musterion
December 1st, 2017, 07:09 AM
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/Islam%20thread.jpg

jgarden
December 2nd, 2017, 06:51 PM
http://tribunecontentagency.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/20160523edloc-a.jpg


It IS a tax cut for MOST Americans. The lies are thick here today.

If the situation was reversed, we al know that conservatives would be demanding, like Obama's birth certificate, that Hillary make her tax returns public - accusing her of benefitting financially!

Contrary to Trump's rhetoric, he stands to gain a $1 billion windfall from this legislation - the silence coming from his supporters and former "birthers" is "deafening!"

ffreeloader
December 10th, 2017, 03:05 PM
I was not interpreting 1 John 4:8.

I beg to differ. Here are your own words taken from a post of yours in answer to one of mine in the quote below.


From what I can tell, GOD does not have to be good and loving to all, and isn't loving and good to all.

Cross Reference
December 10th, 2017, 03:45 PM
[MENTION=3698]
[quote]I am trying to be as irenic as I can in this informative thread. My presupposition is that there are not a few that may benefit from more substantial content on the matters behind the short snippets only possible in the face-to-face debates that are being discussed. This is a written venue, not a chat-box environment, hence the usual drive-bys, one liners, etc., that often accompany virtual verbal communications of mere "chatting" should not apply.

Get real.. Your problem is that you demand everyone smoke your brand for hope to reason through your convoluted conceited presentations.. No one speaks like you write and that isn't meant to be a compliment..

patrick jane
December 10th, 2017, 06:17 PM
I understand and would not blame you.

Don't know how much longer I will be in this thread either.
I haven't quite made it through the 2nd video.
This is the first time I've watched Matt Slick debate, and it's hard to watch.
He's not answering much at all, and his constant responses of "sorta is and sorta isn't" just gets tiresome and boring.
I don't know how Will Duffy managed to keep his cool as well as he did.I watched both but commented after the first one. Then I watched some of part 2 again and I see what you're saying. I also watched part of a podcast with Matt but it never went anywhere.

patrick jane
December 10th, 2017, 09:13 PM
To me, Matt is what I call a 'tactic debater' and he used several tactics.
Poisoning the well was one of the first ones he used in his opening statement with all the Mormonism stuff.
He used the tactic of repeating himself in his answers and giving much longer answers than needed (filler-busting), and thus your opponent has less time to ask more questions.
He kept trying to move the goal posts to dominate the debate towards predestination instead of 'is GOD loving'.
Instead of answering a direct question he would offer to study it out with you later so you could learn ----- (in my school debate class you would have lost points big time for doing something like that to your opponent. And Matt did it a lot.).Yes, many times Slick said to Will, "you need to study that more" and similar comments and many times said "I'll help you study that more, but we don't have time right now" and such. Once or twice Matt said said that he himself needed to study more about a subject.

Cross Reference
December 11th, 2017, 07:04 AM
I would assume no one speaks as they write. The former is extemporaneous, the latter should be more studied and deliberate. If they are not, then one has no real faculty of proper reasoning and discourse, rather they are just pouring whatever pops into their noggin out on paper (or the screen). Which is to say, I am not here to "chat" in most instances. The context of a thread dictates if it is light banter. The context of this thread is not so dictated.

Those that have nothing really to say about the substance of the debates being discussed should perhaps refrain from giving ample evidence of the same. :AMR: Along those lines, if and when you are able to gain control of yourself, perhaps you will return to the opening of my earlier response (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?p=5148251#post5148251) and actually provide the information I was seeking. While you are at it, please try to properly capture the quote tags (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127577-Open-Theism-debate&p=5148359&viewfull=1#post5148359) when quoting another so that all can easily return to the original post to examine its full context.

AMR

Re Quote tags: I'll do that when you take away the need for 3 dictionaries and 6 Greek lexicons for one to even begin pondering your spiritually useless Ligonier clap trap abtracts.

freelight
December 12th, 2017, 01:10 AM
More accurately, it is communication between the physical human and the spiritual God, emphasis on physical and spiritual.

Yes, this is a view I proposed earlier since any man can pray to God the Infinite Spirit, since that Spirit is omnipresent. Any embodied being or incarnate soul, no matter how divine....if/when he prays to the Universal Father,...will of course be praying to the greater Omni-Presence that is everywhere present. This is understood from a unitarian, trinitarian or any 'arian' context. The allness of 'God' abounds everywhere at once.



Correct. The Son (human, also God), the second Person of the Trinity, is communicating with the Father (Spirit, also God), the first Person of the Trinity.


Note a Trinitarian view of God, as defined/described by orthodox Christianity is unsupported by the OT and unnecessary really. ( assumed as a relational construct or model, its fine, but its usefulness to some is questionable). Jesus is praying the Infinite, omnipresent Father, - this is all that essential to recognize.



Remember Deuteronomy 6:4? "Hear oh Israel, The LORD our God, the LORD is one."

The word "one" in that verse, "echad" means "one of unity," not "one of singularity." "Echad" indicates a plurality in the LORD.

There are three (not two) distinct Persons in the Godhead. He, all three, is the Most High God.

Jesus affirmed the Shema, which historically and monotheistically ever afirms 'God' as 'one' (echad). 'Echad' does NOT affirm or denote 'threeness'.

See: Lies that Jews Changed the Shema (http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/judaism/lies-about-shema.html)

You would have to show where in the OT a Trinity is taught, postulated or defined....and where orthodox Jewish rabbis prophets both ancient and modern TEACH such a thing (Jesus is to be included among these rabbis). They do not subscribe to or believe the orthodox Christian 'assumption' of a Trinity (as DEFINED by them) existing, for YHWH has always been 'echad'. 'Echad' means 'one', 'first', 'unique', 'sameness', 'singularity', 'undivided oneness'.



To be more precise, you have three persons in complete agreement with each other, always in communication. He (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is God.


Only in Trinitarian theology :)

On this note, I'm just stating a more traditional orthodox Jewish perspective here, which is truly monotheistic and UNITARIAN. (I'm not claiming it is the only possible view, but share to combat the tendency toward 'dogmatism' often sported by some traditionalists) - for a greater cosmic presentation of a 'Paradise Trinity' existing within a higher cosmic hierarchy, one can see the Urantia Book on that here (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?67763-The-Late-Great-Urantia-Revelation&p=3876342&viewfull=1#post3876342) :) - its wonderful presentation of divine hierarchy excels or goes way beyond a limited orthodox Christian trinity-template.

freelight
December 13th, 2017, 08:50 PM
Not sure why the above is considered 'spam' since it directly addresses the thread subject and additionally expands on many other related points, pertinent to the subject at hand. Now if you think this deserves to be 'spammed', then you might as well do it to all of my posts.

One option is to engage the subject and debate it, instead of marginalize and censor a commentary just because it does not totally or perfectly agree with your own 'theology' or 'doctrinal beliefs', or expand your mind to consider there are many different points of view and perspectives on a given subject :rolleyes:

jgarden
December 18th, 2017, 09:12 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBGMxWD.img?h=768&w=1080&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

Trump Tax Reform: WINNERS

PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY
- Trump, along with his son-in-law Jared Kushner, who is part owner of his own real estate firm, will benefit from lower taxes on so-called “pass through” income, which is money earned by partnerships and other types of businesses whose income is passed through to its owner and taxed at the individual tax rate
- both benefit from breaks for commercial real estate in the tax legislation
- under current law, that income is taxed at rates as high as 39.6%, but Under the bill, much of that income could be taxed at a rate as low as 29.6%, subject to some limitations
- real estate also avoided new limits on interest deductions and retained its ability to defer taxes on the exchange of similar kinds of properties

BIG CORPORATIONS
- big retailers will benefit from the new corporate rate of 21%, since those companies pay relatively close to the full 35% rate
- multinational industries, particularly technology and pharmaceutical companies, like Google, Facebook, Apple, Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer have accumulated nearly $3 trillion offshore, mostly in tax haven subsidiaries, untouched by the United States taxman
- tax bill forces those companies to gradually bring that money home, but it will be taxed at rates ranging from 8% to 15.5%, far lower than the new 21% rate
- American companies will no longer owe full corporate taxes on future profits they say they earn abroad, providing more incentive to push income into tax haven subsidiaries
- the bill even includes provisions that could encourage companies to move workers abroad, despite pledges to do the opposite

MULTIMILLIONAIRES
- “death tax” was lifted to $22 million from $11 million meaning a big tax cut for people with estates worth tens of millions of dollars
- top rate applying to wages and interest income would be cut to 37% from 39.6%

PRIVATE EQUITY MANAGERS
- the purported reform to this tax provision will affect few if any private equity managers, leaving the loophole intact

PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND THE PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD THEM
- a type of tax-preferred savings plan — known as a 529 plan — to save for their children’s’ elementary and secondary education.
- currently these savings plans are only eligible for college, but be expanded to allow for up to $10,000 a year for tuition at private and religious schools

THE LIQUOR BUSINESS
- excise taxes for small brewers and distillers are reduced in the final agreement
- those industries are often based in rural areas, have strong lobbyists, and located in states with powerful senators, like Senator Rob Portman of Ohio
- Portman tucked a provision to help craft brewers into the Senate legislation

ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS
- originally restricted in how much they could benefit from the new pass-through provision but the final version will let them benefit fully

TAX ACCOUNTANTS AND LAWYERS
- despite Trump's pledge to simplify the tax code, the rushed legislation will probably have the opposite effect
- complicated new provisions, staggered dates and new rates
- a boom in business advising clients on how to restructure their employment and compensation arrangements to take advantage of the lower tax rates on income reported by corporations and pass-through entities

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

Trump Tax Reform: LOSERS

PEOPLE BUYING HEALTH INSURANCE
- repeal of the individual mandate,according to the Congressional Budget Office, will result in higher premiums that will result in 13 million fewer Americans with health coverage

INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS IN THE FUTURE
- to stay under the $1.5 trillion limit, the proposed cuts for individuals and families temporary will expire at the end of 2025, but corporate tax cuts will be permanent
- Republicans contend that future Congresses to extend the lower rates but there are no guarantees,
- use of a less generous measure of inflation would push taxpayers into higher tax brackets more quickly

THE ELDERLY
- automatic cuts based on 2010 legislation will target Medicare, the health insurance program for the elderly and disabled
- dozens of other programs are likely to be cut as well

LOW-INCOME FAMILIES
- claims using the earned-income tax credit will lose out on at least $19 billion over the coming decade under the bill because of the change in the way inflation is calculated

PEOPLE IN HIGH PROPERTY TAX, HIGH INCOME STATES
- homeowners in high-tax states like New York, New Jersey and California could be big losers, particularly if they have high property taxes
- ability to deduct their local property taxes and state and local income taxes from their federal tax bills is now capped at $10,000 and could offset any benefit of lower income tax rates

PUERTO RICO
- had sought an exemption from new taxes, citing the frail state of its economy nearly three months after Hurricane Maria
- tax bill treats affiliates of American companies on the island as if Puerto Rico were a foreign country and imposes a 12.5% on intellectual property
- Puerto Rico’s governor said this tax would hurt the biomedical and technology affiliates that make up about a third of Puerto Rico’s tax base

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-winners-and-losers-in-the-tax-bill/ar-BBGOZ8V?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=msnbcrd

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

musterion
December 19th, 2017, 07:23 AM
Where you and your long proven false agenda are ever concerned, no, I could not care less.

Take it up with him if your motive is so pure.

Rom. 5:6-8.

So you're okay quoting a Christian racist and promoting him to others...you could not care less.

Tambora
December 19th, 2017, 09:25 AM
So you're okay quoting a Christian racist and promoting him to others...you could not care less.I bet Jordan voted for Trump.

Right Divider
December 19th, 2017, 09:25 AM
I bet Jordan voted for Trump.
I'll bet that he voted for Ross Perot.

musterion
December 19th, 2017, 09:29 AM
I'll bet he did not vote for Clinton, either of them.

patrick jane
December 19th, 2017, 09:41 AM
I bet Jordan voted for Trump.:rotfl:

jgarden
December 19th, 2017, 12:18 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBH18Sq.img?h=514&w=728&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f
Foreigners would gain billions under GOP tax plan

One of the biggest beneficiaries of the tax overhaul bill that's pending Congress' approval might not seem obvious. But foreign investors stand to come out ahead.

Although President Donald Trump seeks to tighten immigration standards and get tough on international trade agreements, the tax bill, which he supports, treats non-American shareholders in US companies better than most Americans, according to an analysis from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a nonpartisan think tank.

Foreigners will gain $48 billion from the legislation in 2019, the institute calculates, mainly in terms of how their American stock holdings should appreciate, thanks to improved US company earnings fuelled, at least in part, by the tax cuts.

If you divide the nation's population by income into fifths, known as quintiles, foreigners do better under the plan than everyone but the top 20%. The richest quintile is ahead by $225 billion, and the second wealthiest by $43 billion, or less than overseas investors.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/foreigners-would-gain-billions-under-gop-tax-plan/ar-BBH18Su?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=msnbcrd

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

Just how providing foreign investors with a $48 billion windfall with Trump's promise of "America First" is anybody's guess - but the "Washington swamp" just got a whole lot deeper!

$48 billion provided to foreigners is $7 billion more than the combined totals of what the bottom 60% of Americans will receive!

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

jgarden
December 19th, 2017, 12:50 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBGMtfP.img?h=768&w=1080&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f


Fox Business host slams Trump, GOP tax plan: 'Seems like our country is becoming ungovernable'
12/19/17

Fox Business host Trish Regan slammed the GOP's tax-reform plan on air and on Twitter Monday, asking how it was fair that “a private equity investor has a lower tax bracket” than a New York city police officer while wondering if “our country is becoming ungovernable.”

The commentary from the former CNBC and Bloomberg host comes as Republicans on Capitol Hill are set to hold final votes in the House and Senate on their sweeping tax-reform bill, which would mark President Trump

Regan called out the president specifically for failing on his promise to close the special interest loopholes while catering to high-earning “private equity fat cats” during “The Intelligence Report.” “Those private equity fat cats get away with paying investment taxes instead of income taxes, and this is just wrong,” she said. “So why doesn’t anyone care?’

“I’m beginning to wonder if our country is becoming ungovernable, because I’ll tell you one thing, our founding fathers never ever anticipated a swamp like the one we have today.”

.....“How is it fair that a private equity investor has a LOWER tax bracket than a NYC Cop?! This is just WRONG! Wasn’t the President supposed to CLOSE these special interest loopholes? Seems like our country is becoming ungovernable,” she repeated.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/360693-poll-majority-oppose-gop-tax-reform-bill

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

- called out the president specifically for failing on his promise to close the special interest loopholes while catering to high-earning “private equity fat cats”

- “How is it fair that a private equity investor has a LOWER tax bracket than a NYC Cop?! This is just WRONG!

- I’ll tell you one thing, our founding fathers never ever anticipated a swamp like the one we have today.”

- "Seems like our country is becoming ungovernable”

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

This isn't coming from some "liberal" source that "The Donald" and his "deplorables" can easily dismiss, but the Business host of FOXNEWS!

Does this mean that we can now add FOXNEWS to that growing list of media outlets that Trump and his supporters have labelled "fake news?"

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

jgarden
December 20th, 2017, 10:40 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/taxtoon13.jpg?w=720&h=480


Well, with the dems completely trashing tax reform for 6 months straight with the media on board, most people think it's bad. That means there's nowhere to go but up. I think people will be singing a different tune in a year.
How do House Republicans explain having to vote on the tax bill twice - because it was introduced in such a rush that their leadership failed to noticed that it contained legislation that wasn't compatible with the Senate version?

Where are the independent economic forecasts that support the wisdom of "trickle down economics" based on a $1.5 trillion tax cut financed with borrowed money?

Where are all those Republican "deficit hawks" who were denouncing the Democrats for incurring deficits during an economic recession?

jgarden
December 23rd, 2017, 01:13 AM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBHa8XM.img?h=768&w=1366&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f


I don't get the shock of the left that taxes for the middle class will go up in about ten years. Do they expect taxes to never go up again? Maybe the dems can "fix" taxes if they can win in 2024.
Anybody can provide a tax cut with $1.5 trillion in borrowed money - it would take skill to make it revenue neutral!

As for taxing the middle class, rates are scheduled to raise after the 2018 Midterms - in the hope that nobody will read the fine print in the bill!

The fact that the tax cuts for the middle class are only temporary, while those for large corporations are permanent, speaks volumes as to who the Republicans think is more deserving!

The Barbarian
December 24th, 2017, 11:55 AM
https://youtu.be/SqiCtWycDws


Ya might want to retitle that "Trump Rationlized."

The weird thing is, Trump doesn't even realize that it's creepy when he does this thing. It's like when he agreed with Howard Stern that his daughter was a (vulgar expression for desirable female), and said that if she wasn't his daughter, he might be dating her.

He thinks that stuff is normal.

Danoh
December 24th, 2017, 02:18 PM
https://youtu.be/SqiCtWycDws



The weird thing is, Trump doesn't even realize that it's creepy when he does this thing. It's like when he agreed with Howard Stern that his daughter was a (vulgar expression for desirable female), and said that if she wasn't his daughter, he might be dating her.

He thinks that stuff is normal.

For him and his supporters...it is...has been...rationalized into being...if not...into the ignoring of.

That fool on that video being a perfect example of the kind of "spirit" or mind, that does just that.

For the sorting out of these kinds of issues is not rocket science, but to the long willfully blind hick supporter of such an individual, by the time said individual comes knocking on the door of such's own, long already entrenched self-delusion.

These kinds of things are a spiritual issue the recognition of the manifestation of which are often described in Scripture.

Such end up with a deeply entrenched, "strong delusion" in them, and by their own hand, that there comes a point where there is no longer any reasoning with them; they have passed its point of no return - time to get serious about calling a cult de-programmer.

The Barbarian
December 25th, 2017, 11:12 AM
Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson heads to Mexico City for a delicate diplomatic mission Wednesday, but he is going at a moment of tremendous uncertainty back at the office, where more than dozen key assistant secretary positions are still without even a proposed nominee from the White House.

Mr. Tillerson will travel with Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly and acting Assistant Secretary for Western Hemisphere Affairs Francisco Palmieri. But he will otherwise have little backup because, a month into the Trump administration, there is still no deputy secretary of state, no new ambassador to Mexico and no clear sign of when those and other diplomatic positions will be filled.

The State Department’s press office and Mr. Tillerson’s office have declined to comment on the more than 100 management posts and foreign ambassadorships awaiting even a nominee, let alone a Senate confirmation. Just three ambassadors — to China, Israel and Britain — have been named.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/21/state-department-vacancies-highlight-trump-adminis/

At a very dangerous time in the world, Trump is letting the U.S. drift.

aCultureWarrior
December 25th, 2017, 12:35 PM
The weird thing is, Trump doesn't even realize that it's creepy when he does this thing. It's like when he agreed with Howard Stern that his daughter was a (vulgar expression for desirable female), and said that if she wasn't his daughter, he might be dating her.

He thinks that stuff is normal.

There's a lot of very sick people out there. I debated a guy on here on TOL who took it a step further than Donald Trump and said that incest should be legal.

Pretty sick huh?

Here Donald and his wannabe squeeze are being interviewed by their fellow leftwingers on "The Spew", where he talks about ahem...dating his daughter. Of course his fellow sexual anarchists thought that was funny.

Ha ha ha...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80

patrick jane
December 25th, 2017, 12:55 PM
There's a lot of very sick people out there. I debated a guy on here on TOL who took it a step further than Donald Trump and said that incest should be legal.

Pretty sick huh?

Here Donald and his wannabe squeeze are being interviewed by their fellow leftwingers on "The Spew", where he talks about ahem...dating his daughter. Of course his fellow sexual anarchists thought that was funny.

Ha ha ha...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80Reported

aCultureWarrior
December 25th, 2017, 12:59 PM
Has Trump ever went beyond p-grabbing? I know he is a sexual harasser, but I have my doubts he does this to women in hopes to have sex with such women. I think he is old, obnoxious, and just wants his wife mostly.

I can't remember if it was wife #1 of 3 Aaron, or #2 of 3 where she accused her husband (Donald Trump) of raping her.

aCW checks...

If was the first trophy wife who stated that in a deposition.

Donald didn't like the face lift that trophy wife #1 got (Ivana) and wanted to show her who the boss was.

Donald Trump's ex-wife's claim he 'raped' her resurfaces in new documentary
The allegation comes from a sworn deposition reported in a 1993 book, describing a 'violent assault'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-ex-wife-claim-he-raped-her-resurfaces-in-new-documentary-a6836151.html

Donald has gone downhill on his selection of trophy wives Aaron. #3 did a lesbian photo shoot several years back, hardly "First Lady" material.

See NY Post article "Melania Trump’s girl-on-girl photos from racy shoot revealed"
By Isabel Vincent
August 1, 2016

MMMAG (Multiple Marriages Make America Great)

Or at least Donald Trump thinks so...

jgarden
December 25th, 2017, 01:33 PM
https://letmereach.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/narcissist-abuse-cycle.jpg


Narcissistic personality disorder

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder in which there is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of understanding of others' feelings.

1.Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people

2.Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3.Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions

4.Needing continual admiration from others

5.Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others

6.Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain

7.Unwilling to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people

8.Intensely envious of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them

9.Pompous and arrogant demeanor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

All the above are reflected in Trump's daily behaviour - what other President has his "followers" conditioned to ensure that he "gets the credit he deserves!"

jgarden
December 25th, 2017, 04:03 PM
Stay on topic or be removed from the thread.

This is not a Trump bashing thread.
Go to another thread for that.

http://image.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/darcy/photo/22035383-standard.jpg

jgarden
December 25th, 2017, 08:27 PM
http://media.cagle.com/23/2011/05/01/92443_600.jpg


I'm not surprised, the more Trump keeps winning the more the bashers have to reach into the distant past for Fake News. Shameful.

How quick they forget - for the last 8 years, conservative "birthers," under the leadership of "Sir Donald," were trying to convince the American public that the it was unconstitutional for Barrack Obama to elected President!

Now that Trump is President, they presume to lecture the rest of us about "Fake News" with a straight face - oblivious to the fact that they had spent all those years promoting a lie!

Tambora
December 25th, 2017, 09:22 PM
"Get on board"? Get on board with what? The "Trump train"? Cos that's what this thread seems pretty much tantamount to. Your idea of 'making America great again' seems to revolve around just that.

It is not 'hating America' to want that embarrassing, sexually assaulting, inept, egotistical crank out of the WH and someone at least remotely qualified to be at the helm of your country Tam. It is anything but. You get that? Now if you just wanna post a continual stream of cringe inducing 'I Love Trump' videos and a place to say how much you love the tic-tac eating groper under the guise of MAGA with no dissenting voices allowed then crack on with it and you can report away until the only people on your blog (cos that's what it would effectively be) are all removed or banned.

Don't be dishonest enough to confuse the recognition of one of the loosest canons in presidential history to be one with hating your country though, because it most certainly isn't.


http://media.cagle.com/23/2011/05/01/92443_600.jpg



How quick they forget - for the last 8 years, conservative "birthers," under the leadership of "Sir Donald," were trying to convince the American public that the it was unconstitutional for Barrack Obama to elected President!

Now that Trump is President, they presume to lecture the rest of us about "Fake News" with a straight face - oblivious to the fact that they had spent all those years promoting a lie!

Ill-mannered, low class, hate filled, lying trolls is all you two are being today.
Just couldn't let anyone here have a nice time and be happy about things, could ya?
Hell no! You will have none of that!
You would rather moan and groan about every little thing and make everyone miserable.
On and on and on, yall's hatred and put downs are all you live for in every single thread.
It's pathetic and you are being nothing but devious uncouth little trolls.

Did your mothers not teach you any manners at all???????????????????????
Any??????
Can ya have any?
Just for one thread?????????
Nope.
Ya just gotta keep being jerks.
And on Christmas, at that.

jgarden
December 25th, 2017, 10:32 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/trump-nfl-national-anthem-cartoon-heller.jpg?w=620


I didn't and I don't know if anybody here did, but again, who cares?

For 8 years, "The Donald" did everything in his power to undermine the legitimacy of America's first "black" President - but the moment he enters the White House, we're all supposed to join hands and sing "Kumbaya!"

Trump is "reaping" exactly what he "sowed!"

patrick jane
December 25th, 2017, 10:57 PM
Trump is "reaping" exactly what he "sowed!" Trump is reaping the sweet smell of victory.

jgarden
December 31st, 2017, 07:31 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/taxtoon13.jpg?w=720&h=480

Trump Tax Reform

Now the Republicans, with a straight face, are attempting to revert back to fiscal conservatives, targeting government social programs to pay for their $1.5 trillion donation to their wealthy donors - otherwise known as "THE SWAMP!"

jgarden
December 31st, 2017, 07:46 PM
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-umfkIDQJeNo/V9WhVNWV4MI/AAAAAAABf9g/PE5WDdoTmLY3pXiKe6K_wkUAOhX1-_Y7QCLcB/s1600/trump%2Btaxes%2B2.jpg

Trump Tax Reform

There doesn't appear to be any question that "The Donald" will be one of the big winners when this Republican tax legislation takes effect!

If this had been a Democratic Administration, our conservative "friends" would have been shouting "conflict of interests" from the rooftops and demanding that a Democratic president make their tax returns public!

Thusfar, the silence on RIGHT has been deafening!

jgarden
December 31st, 2017, 09:28 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/93/93/b6/9393b6a6745443628e4ed230deb0def0.jpg


I don't think this counts as a conflict of interest. The Republicans are the party of tax cuts and the party that believes in trickle down economics. It's natural that a tax bill they come up with would benefit a wealthy businessman. I think it's silly at best to look at this as a conflict of interest or some scheme to personally benefit the president. Unless you can point to a specific item in the bill that seems like it's designed to benefit Trump. I know people have made a lot of the pass-through cuts that will help Trump's business but I don't think you can say with any kind of confidence that that provision was inserted because Trump is President. :idunno:

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

Trump's tax reform plan: Who are the winners and losers?

Winners
************************************************** *******************************
Corporations with high tax rates:
- lowers the corporate tax rate to 20 percent from 35 percent
- lowers the tax rate for small businesses to 25 percent

Heirs to large estates:
- eliminates the so-called death tax, or estate tax, he federal estate tax which typically affects wealthier Americans

People who do their own taxes:
- Republicans hoped to simplify the tax code and the way Americans file their taxes

High-income households:
- multiple tax cuts for high-income taxpayers, including the elimination of the Alternative Minimum Tax

Low-income households:
- doubles the standard deduction, which reduces the amount of taxed income, to $12,000 for individuals and $24,000 for married couples
- also increases the child tax credit

Losers
************************************************** *******************************
Taxpayers in high-tax states:
- eliminates state and local tax deductions, meaning taxpayers in states with high taxes will lose out on the write-off
- impacts those in mostly blue states, such as California and New York

Accountants:
- the plan would streamline the tax process, less people would potentially need to hire tax accountants, lawyers and firms
- Trump has said he wants to put H&R Block "out of business"

National debt:
- would result in approximately $2.2 trillion of net tax cuts - a blow to the national debt, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget said

State and local deductions:
- President Trump and the GOP aim to get rid of state and local tax deductions, or SALT,
- some advocates say eliminating SALT could generate at least $1.3 trillion in revenue over a decade for the federal government
- could create a red-blue state divide and a sticking point to passing tax reform

Social programs:
- greatly reduced amount of tax collections the plan calls for could result in cuts to domestic spending on programs such as welfare programs and education

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/26/trumps-tax-reform-plan-who-are-winners-and-losers.html

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

Despite the rhetoric, the tax legislation provides only temporary cuts to the middle and low-income groups, but permanent cuts for corporations.

The bills provides for multiple benefits for "high-income households" and their heirs - for which "The Donald" and his family are members in good standing!

Trump could always make his tax returns public to make sceptics like me eat our words - the fact that he refuses speaks volumes!

Given the haste with which it was enacted, bypassing Congressional Committees and public hearings, would anybody be surprised if it contained many "sweetheart" deals that could not have withstood public scrutiny?

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

jgarden
December 31st, 2017, 10:46 PM
https://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/styles/report_371px/public/atoms/files/8-8-16taxtrump.png?itok=UibY7K7k

Perhaps the one feature of the Republican bill that "The Donald" would stand to profit the most are the new tax provisions for "pass-through" income.

As the pie graph shows, any tax reductions on this form of income benefits one particular group - the top 1%!

jsanford108
January 6th, 2018, 01:38 PM
http://jeffreyhill.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d417153ef01b7c82b3c7c970b-800wi

Mohammedan invader asks Germans, and all Europeans, a very good question

One wonders if the German chancellor, or any other elected leader, would sit on their hands and refuse to take action that would prevent the repeat of one individual killing 58 innocent bystanders and wounding another 500+?

We all know that if he had been a Muslim "terrorist," Trump and his supporters would all be demanding immediate action - but given that it was one crazed individual, exercising his 2nd Amendment rights, they choose to side with the NRA and ignore it!

We don't have to worry about what the German Chancellor would have done, because we can easily see the response to the rape occurring after significant Muslim immigration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/?utm_term=.4b4359986f76

jgarden
January 6th, 2018, 04:26 PM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GkD3DCdK_1U/maxresdefault.jpg


You lying moron.

I'm sorry but "The Donald" has exclusive rights to that term!

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
- John Kenneth Galbraith

jgarden
January 6th, 2018, 11:05 PM
http://www.davegranlund.com/cartoons/wp-content/uploads/color-first-amend-sam-web.jpg

Having read the TOL Commandments, I fail to see under what authority that "patrick jane" can presume to establish his own private thread whereby summarily excluding any and all dissenting opinion.

Having been a member since 2007, I was always under the impression that the forums in Theology Online were established to encourage a robust discussion concerning a variety of topics - within the established guidelines!

"Patrick jane" has already created his private thread in Politics, "Donald J. Trump - Amazing First Year," whose access he manipulates by repeatedly opening and closing - thus ensuring that he is the one and only individual allowed to express an opinion!

I realize that Theology Online is a private enterprise, but given that it is also open to public participation, I fail to see as to what purpose is being served by dispensing with the 1st Amendment and allowing certain individual OPs to assert that their threads constitute their private domains!

Does TOL really want to establish the precedent of allowing individual OPs the power to decide which members and what opinions may or may not be expressed in their threads?

To condone this course of action would fundamentally undermine the purpose of TOL, allow a growing number of threads to be controlled by cliques and transfer the authority to regulate TOL from the moderators to individual OPs.

jgarden
January 7th, 2018, 12:28 AM
https://www.shiftfrequency.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/GuideDeepStateSwampCartoon.jpg


http://www.magapill.com/o/q-clearance-patriot-qanon.htm


Closing paragraph - Just scratching the surfaceThis doesn’t even cover 5% of it or even get into the ‘Breadcrumbs’ that Q posted. Regardless of whether you choose to believe Q Anon or not, the momentum that this has created is enormous. Americans have felt a lot of this in their gut for a long time, that something just wasn’t quiet right with these people. ‘Stay strong, have Faith and Pray. The Patriots are in control now.’
"Patrick jane" is tilting at "windmills" - the "deep state" is "The Donald's" 2018 version of the "birther movement," an imaginary opponent that serves as a convenient target for those suffering from denial!

"Birtherism" allowed a certain segment of the population to assert that Americas first "black" President did not meet the constitutional requirements - without making an overt reference to race!

The "deep state" provides the Trump Administration with a convenient diversion away from dilemmas of its own making, and a designated excuse for its lack of success.

Like the 3 million imaginary illegal voters who all cast ballots in favour of Hillary in 2016, the "deep state" is just the latest fantasy of an alt-right "cottage industry" that generates conservative fairy tales, each more improbable than the one that preceded it!

The Barbarian
January 17th, 2018, 10:28 AM
The "Clinton Body count" scam fell apart a long time ago. Jokers did similar ones for Ronald Reagan and Mother Theresa.

The Trump body count is growing as well...

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Trump_Bodycount

The Barbarian
January 17th, 2018, 12:10 PM
Don't you know that entire documentary is nothing but a vast right wing conspiracy against the Clintons?

And to figure out, without testing for it, that a couple of kids had gotten so high on pot that they had kicked, stabbed, and beaten each other to death before wrapping themselves in a tarp and then lying down on the railroad tracks is miraculous. The man was absolutely prescient.

The story is better than that. Story was that Mena, Arkansas was a drop-off point for Contra drug smuggling during the Reagan years, with CIA approval and protection. The Contra drug trafficking is known, but the CIA investigated the story and concluded that they had nothing to do with it.

Be that as it may, it appears that these two kids stumbled into the operation, and someone on the site decided they'd be better off dead.

The Barbarian
January 18th, 2018, 12:23 PM
You just make me laugh. You just can't help help yourself.

Well, I'm not the only one who laughs at you. But you make it impossible to take you seriously.


Also, let's look at your logic. Because Mena had been the center of the CIA led Contra drug trafficing

Remember, this was during Reagan years, when the CIA was told to support the Contras in any way possible. One way was to look the other way when they started shipping drugs into the United States to fund their insurrection against the Sandinistas. Those two kids just happened to be in the way,and so they died.


that the CIA would make an honest investigation and reporting of facts of previous drug trafficing there.

You really thought I wasn't being sarcastic? Seriously?

Barbarian wrote:
The story is better than that. Story was that Mena, Arkansas was a drop-off point for Contra drug smuggling during the Reagan years, with CIA approval and protection. The Contra drug trafficking is known, but the CIA investigated the story and concluded that they had nothing to do with it.



It makes me shake my head at the logical leaps you make.

You did think I was serious, didn't you? I just told you in the same paragraph that the CIA was helping the Contras in their drug operation. You have difficulty holding onto a thought more than one sentence at a time?

The Barbarian
January 18th, 2018, 04:05 PM
Yes. I've looked at Trump. His supposed ties to the mafia are nothing more than the fact that he has done large development projects in two cities in which the mob has a stranglehold on the unions and the construction industry.

You've been led down the garden path, again...

A bid by Donald Trump to build Sydney’s first casino was rejected 30 years ago after police expressed concerns about his links to the mafia.

News Corp revealed on Wednesday morning minutes of the New South Wales cabinet that show police had warned the state government against approving a 1986-87 bid by a Trump consortium to build and operate a casino in Darling Harbour.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/trumps-bid-for-sydney-casino-30-years-ago-rejected-due-to-mafia-connections

A Panama tower carries Trump’s name and ties to organized crime
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/panama-tower-carries-trump-s-name-ties-organized-crime-n821706

Who Is Felix Sater, and Why Is Donald Trump So Afraid of Him?
This mob-linked operator and ex-con could be the key to the Russiagate investigation.
Of all the characters caught up in Russiagate, none come close to Sater for having a decades-long record as a larger-than-life, outside-the-law, spy agency-linked wheeler-dealer from the pages of a John le Carré novel. His past record includes a conviction for lacerating a man’s face with a broken margarita glass in a bar brawl and his involvement in a multimillion-dollar stock fraud and money-laundering scheme. Despite that record, which came before he worked with Trump, Sater spent nearly a decade working with the Trump Organization in search of deals in Russia and other former Soviet republics. But on August 28, Sater made the front pages of the Times and The Washington Post, thanks to leaked copies of e-mails that he sent in late 2015 and early 2016 to Cohen, concerning Sater’s efforts to work with a group of Russian investors to set up a flagship Trump property in the Russian capital.

And, though Trump has denied that he has any business interests in Russia, even as he was gearing up for the Republican presidential primary race, Cohen and Sater were deep into previously undisclosed talks with Russian partners about constructing a Trump-branded hotel, according to The Washington Post. In a statement to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last week, Cohen did admit writing to Dmitry Peskov in connection with Sater’s work. Peskov, a spokesman for Vladimir Putin, confirmed the contact.
https://www.thenation.com/article/who-is-felix-sater-and-why-is-donald-trump-so-afraid-of-him/

The 1992 U.S. Senate Subcommittee 218-page report entitled "Asian Organized Crime: the New International Criminal", linked Trump's businesses to Asian organized crime.[51]

Specifically the Senate subcommittee named Danny Sau Keung Leung, who had been Trump Taj Mahal's VP Foreign Marketing since 2000, as an associate of the Hong Kong-based organized crime group 14K Triad"[52] linked to "murders, extortions and heroin smuggling".[53] Leung worked at Trump Taj Mahal from 1990 to 1995.[53] He was "known by law enforcement to be linked to organized crime syndicates"[54] and was investigated by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1995 with hearings in Atlantic City regarding his "background and character."[53] "Mentions of Trump businesses" were "sprinkled throughout the 1992 Senate report on "Asian organized crime in the United States."[54] "Crime bosses who ran the Chinatown bus system put together trips to Trump businesses in Atlantic City.[54] "[O]ther people with links to organized crime booked shows at Trump venues and in 1987, one was indicted on a charge of providing kickbacks to executives at Trump Castle."[54] According to an Internal Revenue Service report cited in a 2016 Politifact article by Linda Qui,[52] Trump also worked closely with other members and associates of organized criminal enterprises, including Danny Leung, Felix Sater, Salvatore Testa, and Kenneth Shapiro".[52][55]:5 In 1984, Canadian police had identified Leung as "a major player in Toronto organized crime", yet in 1989, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission granted him the casino "key license reserved for executives"[53] and he began working for Trump Taj Mahal in 1990.[53] At the New Jersey Casino Control Commission hearing in 1994, Trump sent Taj President Dennis Gomes to "testify on Leung's behalf at the hearing New Jersey Casino Control Commission. In spite of an objection of the Division of Gaming Enforcement and the testimony of Canadian police, his casino key license was renewed. "Leung's lawyer, Guy Michael said, that the criminal allegations were "absolutely untrue. In August 2013, Leung requested to be placed on the Casino Key Employee Inactive List in August 2013 "in lieu of complying with the resubmission process".[56]:20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Rock_Hotel_%26_Casino_Atlantic_City

There's a lot more. Want to see more?


All of this means universal healthcare in the US is a pipe dream. It can't be paid for and sustained at anything close to the level of health care currently enjoyed by US citizens, and this Johnson guy thinks it needs to be put in place.

In other countries, it's sustainable at a higher level than we get in the United States.

The Barbarian
January 19th, 2018, 07:21 AM
Let's take one of those, and look at the way it works:

1. Mary Mohane — former White House intern gunned down in a coffee shop. Nothing was taken. It was suspected that she was about to testify about sexual harassment at the White House.

Former White House intern Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, manager of a Georgetown Starbucks, was killed along with two co-workers (Emory Allen Evans, 25, and Aaron David Goodrich, 18) on 6 July 1997 during a robbery of the shop. In March 1999, Carl Derek Havord Cooper (29) of Washington was arrested and charged with these murders.

Yes, it is unusual that three employees were killed in the course of a robbery during which nothing was taken. According to Cooper’s 26 April 2000 guilty plea (he received life with no hope of parole), he went to the Starbucks to rob the place, figuring the receipts from the July 4 weekend would make for a fat take. He came in after closing, waved a .38, and ordered all three Starbucks employees into the back room. Once there, Mahoney made a run for it after Cooper fired a warning shot into the ceiling. She was ordered back to the room, but then went for the gun. Cooper shot her, then afterwards shot the other two employees. He left empty-handed, afraid the shots had attracted police attention. As regrettable as these three deaths were, this was nothing but a case of a robbery gone wrong.

And, right away, we have come to the first big lie of the “Clinton Body Count” list: Any unexplained death can automatically be attributed to President Clinton by inventing a connection between him and the victim. Mary Mahoney did once work as an intern at the White House, but so have hundreds of other people who are all still alive. There is no credible reason why, of all the interns who have served in the Clinton White House, Mahoney alone would be the target of a Clinton-directed killing. (Contrary to public perception, very few interns work in the West Wing of the White House or have any contact with the President. The closest most interns get to the chief executive is a single brief handshake or group photo.)

The putative reason offered for Mahoney’s slaying, that she was about to testify about sexual harrassment in the White House, was a lie. This absurd justification apparently sprang from a hint dropped by Mike Isikoff of Newsweek just before the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke that a “former White House staffer” with the initial “M” was about to talk about her affair with Clinton. We all know now, of course, that the “staffer” referred to was Monica Lewinsky, not Mary Mahoney. The conspiracy buffs maintained that White House hit men rushed out, willy-nilly, and gunned down the first female ex-intern they could find whose name began with “
https://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

Most of the body list buffs have taken her off the list, since Snopes publicly debunked the lie. But every prominent politician has so many connections to people, that there are thousands of such cases to mine.

The more you look, the more of this you find. And they wonder why rational people laugh at them.

jgarden
February 3rd, 2018, 12:23 AM
https://leslielawson.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/trump-bingo-card1.png?w=1520&h=1348

Just as "The Donald" once threatened to sue all the women who accused him of unwanted sexual advances, Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) is a firm believer in "the best defence is a good offense!"

As with Trump's threats, one can only hope that James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Sally Yates and Rod Rosenstein are given their day in court - followed by a series of civil suits of their own against Trump, Nunes, Gosar and the whole motley crew of "deplorables!"

jgarden
February 3rd, 2018, 01:10 AM
http://media.cleveland.com/darcy/photo/02darcy-nunesjpg-f5a79eef73c4f8b8.jpg


What there is in the memo is clear evidence of 'userpation of power', something our founding fathers warned about repeatedly. What is in the memo is:

1. Deprivation of rights under the color of law (10 years in prison)

2. Sedition against a duly elected government. (Death)

3. Misleading 4 FISA court judges (loss of license and contempt and perjury charges)

4. Conspiracy to commit election fraud in a national election

Given that the first FISA warrant for Carter Page was issued in 2014, 2 years before the Steele Dossier was produced (2016), just how could it have been used to mislead 4 FISA court judges?

jgarden
February 3rd, 2018, 05:22 PM
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBIChOa.img?h=768&w=1080&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1380&y=1110


The memo states that in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”
This statement contradicts what the Democrats on the Committee heard - the real question should be as to why anyone would have any more confidence in Nunes Memo than the Steele Dossier, given that Devin Nunes served on the Trump Transition Team?

jgarden
February 4th, 2018, 01:47 AM
http://katehon.com/sites/default/files/trum_video_eng201.jpg



"Following the release of a four-page memo detailing rampant FISA warrant abuse by the FBI and DOJ, Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) announced that he will seek the criminal prosecution of FBI and DOJ officials for the "full throated adoption of this illegal misconduct and abuse of FISA by James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Sally Yates and Rod Rosenstein" who Gosar called "traitors to our nation."

The letter reads in part:

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence memorandum on the FBI abuse of FISA warrants and targeting a sitting President is not just evidence of incompetence but clear and convincing evidence of treason....

I will be leading a letter to the Attorney General seeking criminal prosecution against these traitors to our nation."


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-02/gop-rep-seek-criminal-prosecution-fbi-doj-officials-full-throated-illegal


Why would McCabe lie?:


The memo states that in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”

Not only was this comment contested by the Democrats on the Committee, but the current FBI Director, recently appointed by "The Donald" himself, has characterized the whole Nunes Memo as a grave misrepresentation of the facts!

Given former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is one of the individuals Republicans now want prosecuted, so why would they rely on his testimony to prove that the DISA warrant for Carter Page was based solely on the Steele Dossier?

Once the President destroyed McCabe's reputation and Republicans labelled him as a "traitor to our nation," they can hardly portray him as a credible witness to prove the authenticity of the Nunes Memo!

fool
February 4th, 2018, 10:23 AM
http://media.cleveland.com/darcy/photo/02darcy-nunesjpg-f5a79eef73c4f8b8.jpg



Given that the first FISA warrant for Carter Page was issued in 2014, 2 years before the Steele Dossier was produced (2016), just how could it have been used to mislead 4 FISA court judges?

Cite on that Date for the FISA warrant being 2014?

jgarden
February 4th, 2018, 06:40 PM
http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/danzcolorplus8099.jpg

Cite on that Date for the FISA warrant being 2014?

The point that was being made was that the first 3 FISA warrants that were issued for Carter Page predate the existence of the Steele Dossier - a fact that appears to have escaped some Republican members of the House Committee as they attempt to justify the Nunes Memo!

If "fool" was really interested in Page's FISA dates, they may be listed on the Nunes Memo which he can google himself!

This request itself appears immaterial unless in the Trump world of alternate facts, 2014 and 2016 somehow overlap which would allow them to introduce the Steele Dossier at an earlier date!

intojoy
February 4th, 2018, 07:31 PM
http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/danzcolorplus8099.jpg


The point that was being made was that the first 3 FISA warrants that were issued for Carter Page predate the existence of the Steele Dossier - a fact that appears to have escaped some Republican members of the House Committee as they attempt to justify the Nunes Memo!

If "fool" was really interested in Page's FISA dates, they may be listed on the Nunes Memo which he can google himself!

This request itself appears immaterial unless in the Trump world of alternate facts, 2014 and 2016 somehow overlap which would allow them to introduce the Steele Dossier at an earlier date!

Jay, you’ve lost everything. It’s over. No one will ever vote democrat again. They’ve shown their true lust for power has no bounds. Son, we cannot give up our representative republic, the dems have to disappear. Try joining the lgbt party. They have more dignity.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

jgarden
February 4th, 2018, 07:46 PM
https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FBI-Deputy-Director-Andrew-McCabe-on-Leave-Until-Resignation-in-March-e1517250692499.png


Why would McCabe lie?:


The memo states that in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”
The Republicans, in their infinite wisdom, have manoeuvred themselves into a corner whereby the credibility of the Nunes memo hangs on the testimony of a former Deputy FBI Director whose reputation this President and his Republican surrogates have effectively "trashed!"

Strategically, one would have thought that the President and congressional Republicans would have been smart enough to have toned down their criticism and retained McCabe as Deputy Director to give his testimony more credibility - at least until the dust settled after the House Intelligence Committee released its Nunes Memo!

Its implausible to force McCabe to resign as a member of the "deep state" and "traitor to the nation" one week, only to resurrect him the next as your star witness to verify the credibility of the Nunes Memo!

jgarden
February 4th, 2018, 08:04 PM
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1603/trumpanzees-because-trump-loves-the-poorly-educated-donald-s-politics-1457570516.jpg


Jay, you’ve lost everything. It’s over. No one will ever vote democrat again. They’ve shown their true lust for power has no bounds. Son, we cannot give up our representative republic, the dems have to disappear. Try joining the lgbt party. They have more dignity.

- you’ve lost everything.
- It’s over.
- No one will ever vote democrat again.
- They’ve shown their true lust for power has no bounds.
- Son, we cannot give up our representative republic, the dems have to disappear.
- Try joining the lgbt party. They have more dignity

When "The Donald" speaks of his "poorly educated" supporters," he really means
extremely
P-O-O-R-L-Y E-D-U-C-A-T-E-D!

intojoy
February 4th, 2018, 10:22 PM
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1603/trumpanzees-because-trump-loves-the-poorly-educated-donald-s-politics-1457570516.jpg



- you’ve lost everything.
- It’s over.
- No one will ever vote democrat again.
- They’ve shown their true lust for power has no bounds.
- Son, we cannot give up our representative republic, the dems have to disappear.
- Try joining the lgbt party. They have more dignity

When "The Donald" speaks of his "poorly educated" supporters," he really means
extremely
P-O-O-R-L-Y E-D-U-C-A-T-E-D!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180205/c014dbb5e5f3c09be038feb2a69b99f6.jpg



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

jgarden
February 5th, 2018, 01:47 AM
http://www.seacorc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Boris-Natasha-Melania-Trump.jpg


Unfortunately the idiots here have have conflated suspicion of Carter Page being a foreign agent in 2013, with a FISA Warrant to spy on him and his associates that was issued in the summer of 2016. The FBI and the State Department picked Carter Page as the window into spying on the Trump campaign for the very reason that he had already been under suspicion and would feed nicely into the made up dossier plan about Russia.

If you are too stupid to understand what the FBI did, ask yourself two questions:

1. Why has Carter Page not been arrested and detained for espionage? Either he is not a spy and they have nothing, or the FBI is too incompetent to make a case that has been in front of them for 5 years.

2. If you can not make a case to charge someone with a crime in 4 years of surveillance, how do you continue to get permission every 90 days to continue spying on an American in America???? You lie and use a fake Dossier paid for by the Clinton Campaign....
Trump's "poorly educated" defenders get more "bizarre" by the moment - if Carter Page and his FISA warrant wasn't part of a conservative strategy to use it as the backdoor to attack Mueller's investigation, the Republicans on the Intelligence Committee wouldn't care less about how the FBI conducts surveillance.

The Russians attempted to recruit Carter Page in 2013/2014, and the FBI was doing their due diligence by conducting an investigation - they're not responsible for the fact that it was the Trump Campaign that made him a foreign advisor in 2016.

.

jgarden
February 5th, 2018, 02:57 AM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b3/23/ce/b323ce1eb245663692592b9181eca2d9.jpg


Preet Bharara was prosecuting Carter Page’s Russian spy handler when Donald Trump fired him
Mon Apr 3, 2017

... we know now that Donald Trump fired U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara while he was prosecuting the Russian spy who had first recruited Trump’s campaign adviser Carter Page into the Kremlin fold.

According to new reporting today from BuzzFeed, Russian spy Victor Podobnyy has been caught bragging that back in 2013 he first recruited Carter Page and convinced him to begin handing over important documents, in exchange for the empty promise of making Page rich. Then in January of 2015, U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara went on to bust Victor Podobnyy’s Russian spy ring in New York (source: Los Angeles Times). Bharara had been continuing to pursue the prosecution of Podobnyy, until Donald Trump suddenly and unexpectedly fired him last month. Now today, evidence has leaked out revealing that Podobnyy first recruited Page.

In other words, Trump fired Bharara in a last ditch effort to derail the prosecution of Podobnyy, before it could reach the stage where the public would have learned that Podobnyy was Carter Page’s Russian handler. But that information has now leaked today anyway, and it all but confirms that Page was acting as a Kremlin mole or asset the entire time he was working for the Trump campaign. Trump had informed Bharara back in November of 2016 that he could keep his job in the new administration, making it suspicious that Trump then turned around and suddenly fired him three weeks ago. And now we almost certainly know why he did it. Yet the information Trump was trying to quash has now become public anyway

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/preet-bharara-was-prosecuting-carter-pages-russian-spy-handler-when-donald-trump-fired-him/2165/
- Russian spy Victor Podobnyy has been caught bragging that back in 2013 he first recruited Carter Page

- Trump had informed Bharara back in November of 2016 that he could keep his job in the new administration

- Bharara had been continuing to pursue the prosecution of Podobnyy

- Donald Trump fired U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in March 2017 while he was prosecuting Podobnyy, before it could reach the stage where the public would have learned that he was Carter Page’s Russian handler

- Page was almost certainly acting as a Kremlin mole or asset the entire time he was working for the Trump campaign, something the President was trying to keep from the public

jgarden
February 5th, 2018, 03:31 AM
http://orig14.deviantart.net/3a38/f/2017/106/1/1/preetbhararafired3_11_by_zeneinkodama-db612uz.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6r8yslXAAAttIy.jpg

Lon
February 5th, 2018, 08:04 PM
P-O-O-R-L-Y E-D-U-C-A-T-E-D!
Not sure cheapshots are gonna bail anyone this term. I've seen VERY bad both sides.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/danzcolorplus8099.jpg

!
See, to me, a drained swamp, doesn't matter if it is totally drained or not. When squeezed, it comes out between the fingers on both sides. I've seen more fairly accurate memes this year than I've seen in 20 :noway: (both sides).

Wick Stick
February 24th, 2018, 12:29 AM
:angrymob:

God's Truth
February 24th, 2018, 02:49 PM
...

God's Truth
February 25th, 2018, 12:53 PM
...

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 09:32 AM
Hey my favorite "British Bozo", haven't you EVER said or thought anything 'untoward' about somebody or something and hope that it's NEVER heard anywhere? Or, are you of "Pure mind and heart and unable to think such thoughts?"

I've never said anything or thought about groping women by the genitals (sexual assault) no, let alone bragged about it. Maybe sexual assault is no big deal for you?


You have to kind of think that, people who judge OTHERS harshly are most likely doing the same thing or worse. AB, known in America as; (The British Bozo) thinks he is, "Above it all?" Somehow, I doubt it.

What you "think" doesn't matter. Sexual assault isn't something 'light' and if it's no biggie to you then you can direct the above right back at yourself.


So, you want us to believe, you're somehow, 'above it all' and incapable of saying or thinking anything in an 'unvirtuous' manner? :rotfl:

Nope, never said I've never had lusts or 'impure' thoughts, just not ones about sexually assaulting women. Oddly enough I've never heard any of my peers boast about or voiced how they'd like to grope women either. Go figure.

:Plain:

God's Truth
February 26th, 2018, 10:00 AM
...

God's Truth
February 26th, 2018, 10:06 AM
...

God's Truth
February 26th, 2018, 10:30 AM
...

The Barbarian
February 26th, 2018, 10:48 AM
I've never said anything or thought about groping women by the genitals (sexual assault) no, let alone bragged about it. Maybe sexual assault is no big deal for you?

Leadership sets the tone. It's no longer a bad thing for the right.


Nope, never said I've never had lusts or 'impure' thoughts, just not ones about sexually assaulting women. Oddly enough I've never heard any of my peers boast about or voiced how they'd like to grope women either. Go figure.

It's a perversion like any other, except it has the unfortunate twist that satisfaction requires the unwilling participation of another person. Those guys tend to flock together for the obvious reasons.

God's Truth
February 26th, 2018, 11:07 AM
...

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 01:41 PM
Can YOU produce any statement by Trump where he mentions any names of Women he has PERSONALLY assaulted? In his comment to Billy Bush, did he ever admit he had actually done this deed or was he saying that, if you happen to be a rich, celebrity, some Women will let you (generalization) do, thus and so? Did it occur to you or any of your ilk that Trump may have been commenting on the way things are in general when a person happens to be rich and famous? I NEVER heard him actually say; "I have done this to Women," therefore, I believe he was making a "Generalization" which could be considered mere, "Locker room talk" between two Guys.

You have heard the tape, right?

*Warning, offensive language*

fYqKx1GuZGg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape

In the video, Trump described his attempt to seduce a married woman and indicated he might start kissing a woman that he and Bush were about to meet. He added, "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything... grab them by the *****." As a result of this remark, some in the media dubbed the resulting scandal Pussygate.[1] Commentators and lawyers have described such an action as sexual assault.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Those commentators and lawyers are entirely correct. What Trump is on record for saying is not "locker room talk", it's boasting about what is nothing other than sexual assault. If you think otherwise or simply dismiss it as such then you find groping a woman by the genitals to be no big deal, nor sexual assault in general. If that's the case then please carry on negging me with the comment "hi" like a 12 year old kid in a strop cos I've no interest in having convos with the likes of someone who makes light of stuff like that.

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 01:52 PM
I suppose being a "Good Catholic" like yourself, keeps you unencumbered by any impure thoughts or deeds that could possibly tempt you to go against your Churches laws, rules, and regulations. How do you and AB maintain your "Above the Fray" living styles? Are both of you just made differently than most of mankind? I mean, if we're to believe you and AB, we must accept the fact that neither of you has EVER had, said, did anything that could be considered, "Ungentlemanly." That places both of you in a rather "Unique" category, therefore, I can see why you fellas are able to "JUDGE" the President of the United States and others, who are less "Pure of mind and heart," then, either of you. The problem is, I'm not buying what you and AB are selling.

Are you being deliberately dishonest or are you just downright thick? There is a monumental difference between having sexual desires and wanting to sexually assault another person. If you think most of mankind wants to grope and assault people against their will then that says a lot about you.

Grosnick Marowbe
February 26th, 2018, 02:08 PM
You have heard the tape, right?

*Warning, offensive language*

fYqKx1GuZGg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape

In the video, Trump described his attempt to seduce a married woman and indicated he might start kissing a woman that he and Bush were about to meet. He added, "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything... grab them by the *****." As a result of this remark, some in the media dubbed the resulting scandal Pussygate.[1] Commentators and lawyers have described such an action as sexual assault.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Those commentators and lawyers are entirely correct. What Trump is on record for saying is not "locker room talk", it's boasting about what is nothing other than sexual assault. If you think otherwise or simply dismiss it as such then you find groping a woman by the genitals to be no big deal, nor sexual assault in general. If that's the case then please carry on negging me with the comment "hi" like a 12 year old kid in a strop cos I've no interest in having convos with the likes of someone who makes light of stuff like that.

So, since Trump admitted to "Trying" to 'make a move' on one particular Woman who, according to his story, was a 'willing' participant (no assault) he MUST be the ONLY Guy in the history of humanity that has tried to 'put the make' on a member of the opposite sex? Besides that, that audio was recorded about a decade ago. People can change during the course of a decade. In the late 80s I was divorced and went out "clubbing, drinking, dancing, and romancing. That lasted for a period of time in the 1980s and early 90s, however, I ought not to be judged by others, now, for having lived a lifestyle like that, over two decades ago. People change all the time and are not the same as they were during another era in their life. Of course, you and Barb have NEVER been "worldly," I realize that. You fellas are cut out of another cloth, right? I recently heard that Donald Trump became a Christian within the last couple of years, so, that would account for his "Change." You're not a Christian, therefore, I realize you cannot fathom how Christianity can change the hearts and minds of an individual.

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 02:24 PM
So, since Trump admitted to "Trying" to 'make a move' on one particular Woman who, according to his story, was a 'willing' participant (no assault) he MUST be the ONLY Guy in the history of humanity that has tried to 'put the make' on a member of the opposite sex? Besides that, that audio was recorded about a decade ago. People can change during the course of a decade. In the late 80s I was divorced and went out "clubbing, drinking, dancing, and romancing. That lasted for a period of time in the 1980s and early 90s, however, I ought not to be judged by others, now, for having lived a lifestyle like that, over two decades ago. People change all the time and are not the same as they were during another era in their life. Of course, you and Barb have NEVER been "worldly," I realize that. You fellas are cut out of another cloth, right? I recently heard that Donald Trump became a Christian within the last couple of years, so, that would account for his "Change." You're not a Christian, therefore, I realize you cannot fathom how Christianity can change the hearts and minds of an individual.

Well, no, he admitted to doing acts that are nothing other than sexual assault GM so stop being dishonest and trying to paint it as 'making a move'. Grabbing a woman by the genitals is sexual assault, pure and simple. As with anyone else who's assaulted someone he should be in jail or at least served a custodial sentence. Nobody is talking about 'drinking and romancing' here so you need to drop that, as with the crap about being 'cut out of another cloth'. I won't speak for Barb but I will for myself. I have been as "worldly" as it gets. I have acted on many a sexual desire and lust as has anyone else with a sex drive for the most part if they're honest. What I have never done is groped a woman or assaulted someone, nor been tempted to in any way.

Get the difference yet?

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 02:29 PM
Snivel snivel svivel, boo hoooooo... .....I would bet a million dollars you have said worse.

And Trump is right - women WILL let you do anything you want to do. I remember a woman who chained herself to David Lee Roth's door and wouldn't let him pass until he screwed her. You have no clue what groupie women do. I am 1,000% sure that some women WOULD let Trump walk up an do that, or any television or music personality for that matter.

Good grief, what planet did you and your pink panties come from anyway.

Then that would be a bet you'd have lost before even placing it. Don't bother going to Vegas doofus, you'd be bankrupt within minutes...

The fact that you can't see the insidiousness of Trump's remarks speaks yet more volumes about you. Your groupie crap is completely irrelevant to what Trump admits to doing, which is sexual assault.

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 02:33 PM
Where does Trump say in that "Sneaky recording" that he attacked and assaulted that particular Woman? Point it out? He stated what he wanted to do, however, where in that audio does he say; "I assaulted and attacked that Woman" Perhaps someone can get CNN to splice in a voice impressionist using Trump's voice? That way, we can have something to REALLY talk about? The Impressionist will be able to make Trump say anything, right? Sorry AB, but you're not gonna convince "Old GM" of anything. You're barking up the wrong tree, my "British Bozo Friend." I voted for Trump once and Lord Willing, I'll do it again in 2020. The far-left is extremely malicious, angry, and mischievous, they'll do or say anything to try and get back at Trump for winning the election fair and square. I'll not be spending any more time and energy with the likes of you. I have absolutely NO respect for you as a human being or a Poster on TOL. :wave:

I've no respect for pathetic pieces of work that downplay sexual assault to 'locker room talk' either, so you carry on as you will GM. It was not a "sneaky recording". Just ask Billy Bush...

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 02:35 PM
From this day forward, AB will be receiving a mere; "hi" from Old "GM." I owe him that. Oh, and I'll add a few "Neg-reps" just to show my disregard for his "scandalous opinions."

In other words you can't defend your putrid crap about Trump's sexual assault and will continue to act like a kid who can't play on his 'X Box'. Crack on with it GM, I won't return the juvenile antics in kind.

:e4e:

Grosnick Marowbe
February 26th, 2018, 02:42 PM
I've no respect for pathetic pieces of work that downplay sexual assault to 'locker room talk' either, so you carry on as you will GM. It was not a "sneaky recording". Just ask Billy Bush...

Leave this thread.

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 02:44 PM
I would add one other thing, I'm asking you politely to leave this thread and stay away. I'm growing weary of your continued "Assault charges against our President." Go and bother your Queen with this garbage.

I didn't make the assault charges against 'your president'. I also don't make light of sexual assault as 'locker room talk' so if you wanna report me after engaging on the topic for so long then go right ahead. Your downplaying of such has been outright sickening.

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 02:46 PM
I've NEVER asked another Poster on TOL to leave a thread of mine, so, AB will be my first. He's being disruptive and repetitious.

Yes you have. It's no surprise as to why you don't want to continue defending your rubbish on this one either. Pathetic.

Arthur Brain
February 26th, 2018, 02:47 PM
Leave this thread.

'Hi'.

:Plain:

Grosnick Marowbe
February 26th, 2018, 02:47 PM
Yes you have. It's no surprise as to why you don't want to continue defending your rubbish on this one either. Pathetic.

hi

Grosnick Marowbe
February 26th, 2018, 02:48 PM
I didn't make the assault charges against 'your president'. I also don't make light of sexual assault as 'locker room talk' so if you wanna report me after engaging on the topic for so long then go right ahead. Your downplaying of such has been outright sickening.

hi

jgarden
March 1st, 2018, 04:11 PM
https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/white-house-chaos-donald-trump-cartoon-1024x679.jpg


To tell you the truth, folks, Barb has a problem with exaggeration, generalizing, and outright fabrication. His HATRED for the President has grabbed hold of any common sense he'd have otherwise and made it null and void. The same goes for other far-left zealots.

The airwaves are full of former White House staffers, both Democratic and Republicans, expressing alarm at the level of dysfunction
********************************************
- Trump vs his Attorney General
- Kelly vs Kushner
- Trump vs the Mueller Investigation
- Kelly vs Steve Banon
- Trump vs Comey
- Trump vs FBI
- Trump vs Connell/Ryan
- Trump vs North Korea
- Trump vs Mexico
_ Trump vs NAFTA
- Trump vs Paris Accords
- Trump vs Puerto Rico
- Trump vs Schumer/Pelosi
- Trump vs Obamacare
- Trump vs Mexico
- Trump vs Muslims
- Trump vs Gold Star Families
- Trump vs Hillary Clinton
- Trump vs Lyin' Ted
- Trump ve Ted Cruz's father
- Trump vs Obama wiretaps at Trump Towers
- Trump vs releasing income tax
- Trump vs Deputy FBI Director
- Trump vs Rob Rosenstein
- Trump vs "Bush Family"
- Trump vs Australian PM
- Trump vs 17 National Security Agencies
- Trump vs the "Dreamers
- Trump vs "Sanctuary Cities"
- Trump vs John McCain, Jeff Flake, Bob Corker
- Trump vs "Mexican" judges

Grosnick Marowbe
March 1st, 2018, 04:15 PM
The airwaves re full of former White House staffers, both Democratic and Republicans, expressing alarm at the level of dysfunction
************************************************** ********************
- Trump vs his Attorney General
- Kelly vs Kushner
- Trump vs the Mueller Investigation
- Kelly vs Steve Banon
- Trump vs Comey
- Trump vs FBI
- Trump vs <cConnell/Ryan
- Trump vsNorth Korea
- Trump vs Mexico
_ Trump vs NAFTA
- Trump vs Paris Accords
- Trump vs Puerto Rico
- Trump vs Schumer?Pelosi
- Trump vs Obamacare
- Trump vs Mexico
- Trump vs Muslims
- Trump vs Gold Star Families
- Trump vs Hillary Clinton
- Trump vs Lyin' Ted
- Trump ve Ted Cruz's father
- Trump vs Obama wiretaps at Trump Towers
- Trump vs releasing income tax
- Trump vs Deputy FBI Director
- Trump vs Rob Rosenstein
- Trump vs "Bush Family"
- Trump vs Australian PM
- Trump vs 17 National Security Agencies
- Trump vs the "Dreamers
- Trump vs "Sanctuary Cities"

Sorry "J-Garden" but I have you on my special, "EGGNORE" (Ignore) list. However, I hope you had a nice vacation away from TOL?

jgarden
March 1st, 2018, 04:37 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/8a/78/6e8a78d5cbf078a9c056535fc1996f6d--hypocrite-cartoon-art.jpg


J-Garden is one of those on my "Infamous" list. You see, he just came off of being 'banned from TOL' because of his 'Bad attitude', no doubt. He's earned the right to be on my list.
Given that "Grosnick Marowbe" has become the Forum's self- appointed "grand inquisitor," one wonders if his "bad attitude" judgement will also extend to "patrick jane" - who just happens to share his political views?

jgarden
March 3rd, 2018, 03:55 PM
https://urbanintellectuals.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ExecutiveHypocrisy.jpg


Trump is the kind of man who will stand by his convictions and not sway away from adversarial attacks. No matter how engaged the far-left is, they can not/will not be able to weaken Trump's resolve. One might liken him to Davy Crockett at the Alamo and Custer at the "Battle of the Little Big Horn."

Both men fought to the bitter end. However, in Trump's case, he will overcome the odds and remain "Triumphant."
What might those convictions be concerning his "flop/fops on DACA and reducing gun violence?

At the televised meeting on Tuesday, he was all for standing up to the NRA, background checks, extending the minimum age to 21 and taking away the firearms of suspected unstable owners without due process.

After two meetings with the NRA, Trump and the NRA were singing "Kumbaya!"

jgarden
March 3rd, 2018, 04:28 PM
https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/4ae330b/2147483647/resize/1200x%3E/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2Fe2%2F17% 2Fde0a57ff4c7aa536bc84e67d25d5%2F183522-image.jpg



Well, like MOST far-left zealots you're not exactly a student of history. This country of ours wouldn't be here if not for the existence of Guns. In order to receive our freedom to exist as a Nation, Guns were used to free us from the tyranny of Great Britain and its King.

"Grosnick Marowbe" ignores the substance of my post and continues with this incessant tirade designed to sow anger and dissent - the tell-tale signs of a "Russian bot!"

Grosnick Marowbe
March 3rd, 2018, 04:39 PM
https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/4ae330b/2147483647/resize/1200x%3E/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2Fe2%2F17% 2Fde0a57ff4c7aa536bc84e67d25d5%2F183522-image.jpg



"Grosnick Marowbe" ignores the substance of my post and continues with this incessant tirade designed to sow anger and dissent - the tell-tale signs of a "Russian bot!"

There we go, folks, J-Garden is using another far-left attack method; Making a false accusation/Inferrence.

The Barbarian
March 3rd, 2018, 05:41 PM
https://urbanintellectuals.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ExecutiveHypocrisy.jpg


What might those convictions be concerning his "flop/fops on DACA and reducing gun violence?

At the televised meeting on Tuesday, he was all for standing up to the NRA, background checks, extending the minimum age to 21 and taking away the firearms of suspected unstable owners without due process.

After two meetings with the NRA, Trump and the NRA were singing "Kumbayah!"

Whoever talks to him last, wins.

jgarden
March 3rd, 2018, 07:39 PM
https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2017/04/24/greg-perry-trump-attacks-canada/greg-perry-trump-attacks-canada.jpg.size.custom.crop.884x650.jpg

Trump is the kind of man who will stand by his convictions and not sway away from adversarial attacks. No matter how engaged the far-left is, they can not/will not be able to weaken Trump's resolve. One might liken him to Davy Crockett at the Alamo and Custer at the "Battle of the Little Big Horn."

Both men fought to the bitter end. However, in Trump's case, he will overcome the odds and remain "Triumphant."

Perhaps Grosnick "the Bot" Marowbe would be so so kind as to explain why despite recent veiled threats by Vladimir Putin that Russia has advanced missile systems that could circumvent American defences, President Donald J's silence is "DEAFENING!"

Not only has this President failed to instruct America's intelligence agencies to take all steps necessary to prevent Russian interference in the 2018 Interims, he steadfastly refuses to implement the bipartisan sanctions passed by Congress last fall in response to their attempt to influence the 2016 Elections!

Are we to be reassured that President Donald J did find time to defend Americans by tweeting his displeasure with "Saturday Night Live's" Alex Baldwin and imposing steel and aluminium tariffs that punish American's NATO allies - such as Canada?

Trump's comrades in Russia gets a free pass - but he chooses to punish those "evil" Canadians with which America shares 55250 miles of "undefended" border and with whom America enjoys a trade surplus!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 4th, 2018, 02:12 AM
https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2017/04/24/greg-perry-trump-attacks-canada/greg-perry-trump-attacks-canada.jpg.size.custom.crop.884x650.jpg


Perhaps Grosnick "the Bot" Marowbe would be so so kind as to explain why despite recent veiled threats by Vladimir Putin that Russia has advanced missile systems that could circumvent American defences, President Donald J's silence is "DEAFENING!"

Not only has this President failed to instruct America's intelligence agencies to take all steps necessary to prevent Russian interference in the 2018 Interims, he steadfastly refuses to implement the bipartisan sanctions passed by Congress last fall in response to their attempt to influence the 2016 Elections!

Are we to be reassured that President Donald J did find time to defend Americans by tweeting his displeasure with "Saturday Night Live's" Alex Baldwin and imposing steel and aluminium tariffs that punish American's NATO allies - such as Canada?

Trump's comrades in Russia gets a free pass - but he chooses to punish those "evil" Canadians with which America shares 55250 miles of "undefended" border and with whom America enjoys a trade surplus!

You'll have to pardon my unwillingness to read your entire post, however, I found the beginning few words rather boring, so I was forced to stop immediately.

jgarden
March 4th, 2018, 02:27 AM
https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/98fbf8c/2147483647/resize/1200x%3E/quality/85/?url=http://media.beam.usnews.com/aa/9e/d84bc10a4362b835b0c8460c3cbd/thumb-3.jpg


You'll have to pardon my unwillingness to read your entire post, however, I found the beginning few words rather boring, so I was forced to stop immediately.

In other words, Comrade Grosnick "the Bot" Marowbe's only reason for being here is to use use this Forum as a venue to sow the seeds distrust and rancour - he's not programed to catty on a thoughtful debate!

jgarden
March 4th, 2018, 02:42 AM
http://www.thesentinel.com/mont/images/cartoons/MC_DC_-_The_Donald_Made_Us_Do_It.jpg


They all seem to meld together into one "Delusional Mindset." There's nothing NEW involved with what they have to say. I mean, why bother with posters like that? They can't even engage in a few good moments of "Verbal fisticuffs" without repeating the same old "Party line." These "Characters" have been completely brainwashed.

Nice try but "no cigar" Comrade Marowbe - you just keep repeating the same general disruptive themes over and over because you're incapable of responding to specifics!

jgarden
March 4th, 2018, 03:00 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QuMBXkHTBAQ/UMkzGh1r4LI/AAAAAAAAANk/MeE2-ajoBeE/s1600/borisnatasha.jpg


You have to post a specific before it can be responded to. Also, if you are annoyed by this thread, you certainly have an alternative.

Which one are you Comrade Grosnick?

jgarden
March 4th, 2018, 05:14 PM
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.8kCw9GnGFJAxVlXoqrXq7AHaHa&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300


It's easier for "Old GM" to opine about different subjects, on my own, then have to read the empty comments left by these brainwashed and intellectually dishonest zealots.
1. Comrade Marowbe's mission is to flood threads with a "monologue" of "leftist" bashing!

2. Comrade Marowbe is responsible for no less than 31,088 posts - that's equivalent to a full time job!


You'll have to pardon my unwillingness to read your entire post, however, I found the beginning few words rather boring, so I was forced to stop immediately.

3. Comrade Marowbe refuses to even read the responses of those trying to engage - that would interfere with his primary mission!

4. Comrade Marowbe limits himself to short one or two line responses!


If the 'far-left has its way, The United States of America will become The United Perverted States of America.

5. Comrade Marowbe deliberately sows the seeds of anger and distrust - undermining any attempts to reach agreement!

6. Comrade Marowbe's choice of words and phrases are stilted - as if they had been reinterpreted from another language!


Except for their 'Monumental Hatred' for Donald J. Trump, the far-left has NOTHING else to offer the citizenry of this country. I suppose they think this will be enough to garner votes in 2018 and 2020? Of course they'll have the same "Usual Suspects backing them;

1) The Minorities, for the most part.

2) Their fellow far-left zealots.

3) The younger people.

4) Hollywood, for the most part.

5) Most of the Media.

6) Antifa and Black Lives Matter, of course.

7) A huge portion of Atheists and Agnostics.

8) The naive and ignorant.

9) The Illegal Immigrant, unlawful voters.

And, last but not least; a number of Independents who don't know any better.

7. Comrade Marowbe's choice of topics correspond to those being used by Russian "BOTS"

8. Comrade Marowbe meets all the criteria associated with Russian "BOTS" - whose purpose is to create social unrest in social media leading up to the 2018 Interims!

jgarden
March 4th, 2018, 06:27 PM
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sllchpfFeUk/WFHofthF4HI/AAAAAAABqqk/S44phjXh_fUlBZU_WFUIa6HtUcw1MlqzwCLcB/w1200-h630-p-nu/BorisNatashaTrumpTower.jpg

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob:

By now, we know these fake accounts helped influence the latest U.S. presidential election. Automated bot accounts made up 18 percent of Twitter’s traffic related to the 2016 election, according to researchers, and these bots overwhelmingly pushed messages in favor of now President Donald Trump. At least a third of pro-Trump tweets during the election came from bots, and half of Trump’s most engaged Twitter followers are bots.

https://i2.wp.com/thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/1PM3domk5hoKIgT-PMYYkNQ-1.png?w=600&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C717px&ssl=1

By using Western ideals of free press and expression against themselves, as an example of how democracy is flawed, bots can sow widespread discord.

“That begins to degrade our ability to communicate with each other. It makes our discourse way more toxic, so we’re frequently more angry, more combative. That plays into Russian goals, which is to facilitate division within the United States,” Bergmann said

It’s also a national security risk. Trump’s White House has a track record of elevating fake news as fact, which has serious consequences for foreign relations and public policy-making. Repeating fake news from the highest seat of U.S. government helps create an alliance with Russia’s agenda.

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob:

In his March testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee, former FBI agent and counter-terrorism expert Clinton Watts said Trump and his campaign aides have repeatedly “parroted” Russian propaganda. In turn, the state-linked accounts tend to post at “high volumes” when they know Trump is online so that their conspiracy theories will gain traction.

“[Trump] denies the intel from the United States about Russia. He claimed that the election could be rigged; that was the number one theme pushed by RT, Sputnik news,” Watts said. “Until we get a firm basis on fact and fiction in our own country, get some agreement about the facts… we’re going to have a big problem.”

And when a rumor broadcast as fact is repeated by the highest elected government officials, it causes division among the population — some of whom want to believe it and others who know it’s false.

“Even if Trump didn’t win, you were still going to have a guy who during the last two months of the election was all about the election being a rigged system, you would still have this guy who got just under half of the popular vote with a huge platform that would be effective at undercutting a Clinton presidency,” Bergmann said. “For the Russians, they won either way.”

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob: :angrymob:

“All of us are the target for disinformation,” he said. “Look at the story, look at the statement. Is that person trying to comment on the evidence or are they insulting the witness? If they’re insulting the witness then that’s disinformation.”

https://thinkprogress.org/russian-bots-where-are-they-now-e2674c19017b/

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 01:13 PM
Is he gonna introduce laws that prohibit any type of "sexual misconduct" do you think?

:think:

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 05:00 PM
Bane you don’t even live here. Sit down you hater


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm closer to America than where you are, by which I mean being on the planet.

Crank.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 06:37 PM
Delete

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 06:40 PM
Delete

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 06:54 PM
I'd like to see a law introduced that prohibits British Ignoramuses from making idiotic comments about OUR President. That means YOU, AB.

What, you mean like saying he's the greatest president of all time? Bonkers things like that? Hey, for America to be 'great' again would involve severe curtailment of 'sexual impropriety' wouldn't it? Getting laws in place that crack right down on adultery, cohabitation, gay relations, any sex outside marriage?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 06:57 PM
Delete

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 06:57 PM
AB, if you start to disrupt this new thread like you did the last one, I might have to ask that you be removed, once again? Try and be civil.

What was uncivil about my inquiry? As Tambora has been very vocal in stating, there should seemingly be strict laws in place that prohibit any form of sexual relations outside of heterosexual marriage. So I asked you as to whether the current president would be likely to put laws in place that reflect that ideal and in turn, supposedly make America great again?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 06:59 PM
Delete

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:00 PM
This thread was NOT created in order for you to discuss Trump's sexual life. What you're doing is, DISRUPTING.

Um, no, I'm simply asking you as to whether the president is likely to enact laws of the like that Tambora advocates where it comes to apparent 'sexual misconduct'.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 07:01 PM
Delete

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:04 PM
Take it a notch or two down or I'll be forced to report you again.

You'll do it anyway most likely although why you're shy of addressing the issue is rather telling. I'm presuming you agree with Tambora that any sexual relations outside of marriage should be criminal acts?

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:05 PM
This is your last warning, AB.

Hey, go run off to teacher if you can't handle or address issues GM. It's pretty much expected with you anyway.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 07:07 PM
Delete

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:08 PM
Art is "stuck" on sex. Sex on the "Brain".

Not especially but it's kinda funny to see the discrepancies among those who do make it such a big issue...:D

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 07:08 PM
Delete

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 07:09 PM
Delete

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 07:11 PM
Delete

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:14 PM
I didn't create this thread so YOU could change it to some other subject. Stick with the subject, or go elsewhere.

Okay, would you support Trump if he enacted laws that made all sex outside of marriage to be criminal?

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:15 PM
Contrary to what AB is trying to introduce, the subject of this thread isn't related to Trump's sexual life.

I'm not talking about Trump's sexual life here either.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 07:17 PM
Delete

Grosnick Marowbe
March 11th, 2018, 07:18 PM
Delete

glorydaz
March 11th, 2018, 07:21 PM
Hey, go run off to teacher if you can't handle or address issues GM. It's pretty much expected with you anyway.

Great, you're here disrupting another thread.

You're like the little boy who insists on showing everyone his privates.....as if it was some big thing. :nono:

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:22 PM
That's NOT the subject being addressed here. Create your own thread if you don't like the subject of this one.

Well, why can't the "Trumpinator" get laws in place that would do away with 'sexual misconduct' Gros? Is America ever gonna be 'great' in your view without more stringent laws on that score?

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:30 PM
Great, you're hear disrupting another thread.

You're like the little boy who insists on showing everyone his privates.....as if it was some big thing. :nono:

I'm 'hear' disrupting another thread? Not that much to listen to GD. I realize that these Trump fawning threads don't like any sort of derisory input but it's valid comment. You zealots go on and on about 'sexual misconduct' and when a question is raised as to whether your president will do something about it you get all antsy. Heck, of course Trump ain't gonna implement any sorta laws that Tambora would have in place as as much of a clown as he is he ain't gonna commit that type of political suicide. PJ recognizes that much...

jgarden
March 11th, 2018, 07:36 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/180116153450-donald-trump-stormy-daniels-fox-news-780x439.jpg


Yesterday, "The Trumpinator" had a rally in Pennsylvania and because of his presence, the rally was a total success. Even a former Hillary advisor gave him kudos for his ability to have an audience in the palm of his hand, and the former 'advisor' also said that "The Trumpinator" has a very good chance of winning the 2020 election. Thus far, "The Trumpinator" has revitalized the economy, brought back copious amounts of Jobs, and there's reason to believe, he 'broke-down' Kim Jong-un and now the leader of North Korea seems willing to, not only stop his nuclear program but to come and meet with "The Trumpinator," himself.

In only a matter of months into his Presidency, he has accomplished more than any other past President in the history of our nation. He stated at the Pennsylvania rally; "The Wall" is going to be built and I for one, believe him. The Trumpinator is a doer, not a talker, like the previous President, Barrack Obama. He's in our countries highest position in order to get things done and not just poke holes in the clouds over Washington with his index finger, while making grandiose empty speeches.
Given that the "Trumpinator," with all the resources available to a billionaire President, has slready been repeatedly out manoeuvred by "Stormy Daniels" and exposed as a liar, what chance does he have against the likes of North Korea's Kim - and I'm not referring to Kardashian!

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:38 PM
Why are you worried about that, you don't live here?
Stay in your country and you can keep on showing what you got.

I'm not worried about it ya dope. If you go along with Tambora, then Trump would have to legislate laws that prohibit 'sexual misconduct' in order for America to be 'great again' though, right?

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:48 PM
Artie, you've already proven the definition of sexual misconduct is above your pay grade. :wave:

Oh, so are you going along with Tam's hyper zealous definition of it then? That any sort of sexual relation outside of traditional heterosexual marriage should be deemed a criminal act? If so, you're just as much a puritanical whackjob as she is.

glorydaz
March 11th, 2018, 07:54 PM
I'm not worried about it ya dope. If you go along with Tambora, then Trump would have to legislate laws that prohibit 'sexual misconduct' in order for America to be 'great again' though, right?


Yes GD, it happens all the time unfortunately. On one occasion it took me a fortnight to read a menu before the chef gave me a spit roast...


Oh, so are you going along with Tam's hyper zealous definition of it then? That any sort of sexual relation outside of traditional heterosexual marriage should be deemed a criminal act? If so, you're just as much a puritanical whackjob as she is.

:troll:

Arthur Brain
March 11th, 2018, 07:54 PM
Perhaps England is "REPRESSED?"

Um, nope, nor is most of America for that matter dude. That's why nutball views such as criminalizing sex outside of marriage would not fly, even in Alabama...get a grip.

jgarden
March 11th, 2018, 08:00 PM
How Christian of you "Comrade Marowbe" - which of the other 10 Commandments are you willing to dismiss as "DISRUPTING" on a TOL Forum which is supposed to be promoting Christian values?

The rest of the members of the TOL Forum will be watching to see if "Grosnick Marowbe" and his fellow conservatives can make good on their threats to ban anyone who does not subscribe to their agenda - including those of us who have chosen not to ignore basic Christian values!

Which of the 10 Commandments will "Comrade Marobwe" now find "DISRUPTING" is anybody's guess!

The Barbarian
March 11th, 2018, 08:12 PM
How Christian of you "Comrade Marowbe," which of the other 10 Commandments are you suggesting that members of TOL Forum ignore next?

The rest of the members of the TOL Forum will be watching to see of "Grosnick Marowbe" and his fellow conservatives cam make good on their threats to ban anyone who does not subscribe to their agenda - including those of us who choose not to ignore basic Christian values!

Grosnik wants it both ways. He wants to be considred a good Christian, but wants to support Trump more. And he's furious at being called out on it.

The Barbarian
March 11th, 2018, 08:40 PM
I doubt GM cares what you consider him.

If not, it's hard to explain the extraordinary amount of time he spends following me around and castigating the Evil Barbarian.


I certainly don't give a rip what you think of me.

That would explain why you don't follow me around on TOL.


Who I support politically has no effect on my faith, or anyone else's that I know of.

Probably shouldn't, unless the person supports abortion, or flaunts his sexual misconduct. Those are deal-breakers for me. But I don't necessarily think you're a bad Christian if you disagree.


You libs hate that, don't you?

I'm just noting the hypocrisy. If you don't take part in it, then it's not on you.


We cannot be shamed into swallowing the hate you have for the President.

You've got that wrong, I think. It's not symmetrical for the majority of Americans who don't like Trump. He's a low-life, but we've had scumbag presidents in the past, some of whom actually did fairly good jobs.

That doesn't mean that they get a pass on their behavior; it just means it's possible for them to behave despicably in their personal life and still serve us well.

jgarden
March 11th, 2018, 09:09 PM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2807603.1474943390!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/birther27n-3-web.jpg

The Trump hating dems/libs can only gripe and complain, they just can't stop. It's an obsession and a daily routine now. They wake up in the morning and think about Trump and his supporters until they turn in for the night. Then they dream about Trump and his amazing achievements thus far, thereby fueling the next day's "routine" - It's a sight to behold.

Actions speak louder than words - "The Donald" spent years leading the "birthers" on a mission to promote his political career, while undermining the American public's faith in the legitimacy of its first "black" President.

Fast forward 6 years - Donald J is now President and "patrick jane," along with his fellow conservatives, have suddenly discovered what its like to have a sitting President from the Republican Party subjected to constant criticism - like his Democratic counterpart!

Trump and the conservatives sowed the seeds for this hostile political environment - now that they've succeeded, they're beginning to realize that having more that half the nation pitted against them is not what they had bargained for, and they're desperately searching for the "OFF" switch!

POSTSCRIPT: Democrats have been patiently waiting for 6 years for this President to produce that "incredibly reliable source" - but like all things TRUMPIAN, there appears to be "NO THERE, THERE!"

The Barbarian
March 11th, 2018, 09:27 PM
Trump does neither of those things.

He's cheated on his latest wife. And suffered the humiliation of having his hush money to a porn actress made public. He's declared that adultery isn't a sin, and bragged about being able to get away with sexual assault.


Did he in the past?

Pretty much his whole life.


But, I have done things in my past I'm not proud of now? Haven't you?

Adultery and sexual assault, no.

jgarden
March 11th, 2018, 09:33 PM
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/DGlriuZq25XwF.l9PNKV0A--~C/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NTc3O3E9ODA7dz05ODU-/http://pinnaclepolitics.com/sites/default/files/field/image/trump-quote-republicans-are-dumb.jpg


:rotfl: That's all they got folks !!!

Given that "patrick jane" has chosen to be a member, in good standing, with "the dumbest group of voters in the country," its to be expected that Donald J Trump has at least told the truth about one thing!

jgarden
March 11th, 2018, 09:44 PM
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/,scalefit_600_noupscale/57990f342a00002e004f6e6b.jpeg


It's the classic liberal shaming scam. When all else fails, and it has, they go for the "You follow Jesus but you voted for Trump" or "Trump is not a Christian" "like me." It's all they have and the USE the name of God to shame and belittle their imagined "opponents".
Apparently "parick jane" objects vehemently when the tactics employed by himself and his fellow conservatives are used against them!

Why don't you call my bluff and ask me to produce posts by you and your fellow conservatives questioning the Christian faith of your opponents?

patrick jane
March 11th, 2018, 09:45 PM
Apparently "parick jane" objects vehemently when the tactics employed by himself and his fellow conservatives are used against them!

Why don't you call my bluff and ask me to produce posts by you and your fellow conservatives questioning the Christian faith of your opponents?Only if you "have the time and energy". :crackup:

patrick jane
March 11th, 2018, 10:47 PM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2807603.1474943390!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/birther27n-3-web.jpg


Actions speak louder than words - "The Donald" spent years leading the "birthers" on a mission to promote his political career, while undermining the American public's faith in the legitimacy of its first "black" President.

Fast forward 6 years - Donald J is now President and "patrick jane," along with his fellow conservatives, have suddenly discovered what its like to have a sitting President from the Republican Party subjected to constant criticism - like his Democratic counterpart!

Trump and the conservatives sowed the seeds for this hostile political environment - now that they've succeeded, they're beginning to realize that having more that half the nation pitted against them is not what they had bargained for, and they're desperately searching for the "OFF" switch!

POSTSCRIPT: Democrats have been patiently waiting for 6 years for this President to produce that "incredibly reliable source" - but like all things TRUMPIAN, there appears to be "NO THERE, THERE!"https://i.pinimg.com/564x/42/21/7e/42217ee9c7e0424e59d2a320a3e0c523.jpg

patrick jane
March 11th, 2018, 10:51 PM
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/,scalefit_600_noupscale/57990f342a00002e004f6e6b.jpeg


Apparently "parick jane" objects vehemently when the tactics employed by himself and his fellow conservatives are used against them!

Why don't you call my bluff and ask me to produce posts by you and your fellow conservatives questioning the Christian faith of your opponents?"Repenting" everyday and constantly asking forgiveness puts the cross to an open shame,

Hebrews 6:6 KJV - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 01:05 AM
If you'll notice, the OP of this thread has taken another direction. Please be advised.

jgarden
March 12th, 2018, 01:21 AM
"Repenting" everyday and constantly asking forgiveness puts the cross to an open shame,

https://dailyverses.net/images/en/NIV/1-thessalonians-5-16-18.jpg

Bible Verses About Pray Without Ceasing
************************************************** *****************************
Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
Acts 1:14

In the morning, Lord, you hear my voice;
in the morning I lay my requests before you
and wait expectantly.
Psalm 5:3

And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
Ephesians 6:18

Romans 12:12 - Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

Philippians 4:6 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

Matthew 6:6 - But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matthew 21:22 - And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Colossians 4:2 - Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;

Romans 8:26 - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Matthew 6:9-13 - After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jeremiah 33:3 - Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

Matthew 7:7 - Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

https://dailyverses.net/prayer
************************************************** *******************************
Perhaps "Patrick jane" and "Grosnick Marowbe" who, in his infinite wisdom, has thanked him for his post would care to enlighten the rest of us as to which Bibical verses support their "Trumpian" theology whereby "'Repenting' everyday and constantly asking forgiveness puts the cross to an open shame!"

The Bible does caution against praying in public as a means of securing recognition and praise, but chastising fellow Christians for "repenting everyday" and "constantly asking forgiveness" goes into uncharted territory!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 01:22 AM
Sometimes it's best to take off in a different direction when the path you've taken, suddenly comes to a standstill and you're not certain which way to turn.

jgarden
March 12th, 2018, 01:31 AM
http://static.squarespace.com/static/537e9411e4b0e4f2b7263a9f/t/53a8b20ae4b07e1fdf0e54e9/1403564565923/emmanuel_compass
THE TRUMPINATOR IS AMONG US.

One questions as to why "Grosnick Marowbe" would suddenly change a thread dedicated to "all things Trump" that extended to threatening to ban anyone who "DISRUPTED" that narrative by questioning "Donald J's" sexual behavior!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 01:32 AM
Rather than, continue on with the original thread subject, I thought we'd try something, more abstract. Please feel free to add to the OP, anything, that comes to mind. If you should ask "Old GM" anything regarding the former OP/thread, I will, instead, refer you to the NEW thread which has been created. Try to be as creative as you can. Consider this unusual concept to be a journey into the imaginative part of your mind.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 01:39 AM
This could turn out to be a most interesting excursion into the far-depths of creativity? Those who are willing to participate will not be disappointed. Don't be dismayed by what you may discover about the inner-you and its various complexities.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 01:42 AM
I will await your thoughts, ideas, and perceptions.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 05:02 AM
No responses as of yet? Well, perhaps some folks need a little more time to have this concept, sink in. As we all know, patience is a virtue.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 05:50 AM
In a perfect world, I'd rather be debating my original subject, however, because of the negative responses on my original thread/OP I was forced to change directions and contemplate a more abstract form of intercommunication. The former thread/OP was based on our President and his many achievements during these last few months, but, some posters on TOL decided to concentrate on Trump's 'sex-life' instead of the original purpose of this thread.



So, it seems I was forced to take a more unconventional approach and went more towards the bizarre, than the more conventional path. Hopefully, the result will be, the closing of this thread? I've asked that this thread be unceremoniously closed, for obvious reasons, however, as of yet, that conclusion hasn't come to fruition. My reasoning is if this thread makes NO sense than the reasonable outcome ought to be its removal from the forum. Does that make sense? I hope NOT.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 06:05 AM
I find it difficult to believe that a 'Christian Forum' would allow posters to rant and rave about the supposed sexual escapades of a sitting President? Especially, when the thread has NOTHING to do with that subject? A few immature 'little boys' on TOL appear to have a one-track mind, based purely on SEX! I won't mention any names, however;

1) Arthur Brainless
2) Barbarian (Suffering from 'Napoleon Complex')
3) J-garden (The only thing his garden grows is contempt)

I only mention these particular moronic individuals because their motives are; SUSPECT?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 06:10 AM
My goal is to see this thread, closed. Once that's accomplished, I'll move on to another subject.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 06:13 AM
Those three, aforementioned "BOZOS" seem to follow 'old GM' around, in order to disrupt and find an excuse for posting about SEX.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 06:16 AM
Perhaps someone needs to create a thread based on SEX, where these types of PREVERTS can gather around and discuss their obvious, frustrations?

The Barbarian
March 12th, 2018, 06:43 AM
Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
I forgot to mention that, American companies who previously left our country are returning, now that The Trumpinator is our President.



Yay!

Well, let's take a look...

Under Trump, US jobs are moving overseas even faster than before
More than 10,000 jobs at federal contractors have been sent over overseas since Trump was elected.
“We’re just shipping company after company after company is leaving this country and leaving jobs behind,” president Donald Trump said on the campaign trail last year. “And I’m going to get it stopped.”

So far, not so good. A group that advocates for federal workers says government records show (pdf) more than 10,000 jobs at federal contractors have been sent over overseas since Trump was elected. That’s more than double the average annual amount during Barack Obama’s presidency.

All told, in the year since Trump was elected, more than 93,000 jobs have been certified by the Department of Labor as lost to outsourcing or trade competition, slightly higher than the average of about 87,000 in the preceding five years. But federal contractors made up 10% of that number, rather than the previous average of 4%. That suggests companies that work for the government like General Motors, Boeing and United Technologies aren’t worried about political repercussions from the man in the White House.
https://qz.com/1144201/under-trump-us-jobs-are-moving-overseas-even-faster-than-before/

Did you actually believe his claims? Seriously?

Has anyone ever trusted Trump and not eventually regret it?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 12th, 2018, 07:14 AM
Well, let's take a look...

Under Trump, US jobs are moving overseas even faster than before
More than 10,000 jobs at federal contractors have been sent over overseas since Trump was elected.
“We’re just shipping company after company after company is leaving this country and leaving jobs behind,” president Donald Trump said on the campaign trail last year. “And I’m going to get it stopped.”

So far, not so good. A group that advocates for federal workers says government records show (pdf) more than 10,000 jobs at federal contractors have been sent over overseas since Trump was elected. That’s more than double the average annual amount during Barack Obama’s presidency.

All told, in the year since Trump was elected, more than 93,000 jobs have been certified by the Department of Labor as lost to outsourcing or trade competition, slightly higher than the average of about 87,000 in the preceding five years. But federal contractors made up 10% of that number, rather than the previous average of 4%. That suggests companies that work for the government like General Motors, Boeing and United Technologies aren’t worried about political repercussions from the man in the White House.
https://qz.com/1144201/under-trump-us-jobs-are-moving-overseas-even-faster-than-before/

Did you actually believe his claims? Seriously?

Has anyone ever trusted Trump and not eventually regret it?

Nobody cares what you three BOZOS have to make up.

jgarden
March 12th, 2018, 08:22 AM
https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/.M4KyNeyqzRf1Ck1gFL6Tg--~B/aD03NzQ7dz0xMjgwO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/creatr-images/GLB/2016-10-24/bd253350-9a03-11e6-bdce-73cf8915ed67_12trump_accusers3.jpg
Some of Trump's Accusers


Perhaps someone needs to create a thread based on SEX, where these types of PREVERTS can gather around and discuss their obvious, frustrations?

Another case of "Comrade Marowbe" shooting the messenger(s) - were the congressional Republicans PERVERTS because they voted to have President Clinton impeached over the Monica Lewinsky scandal!

Its not our fault that "Grosnick Marowbe" has chosen to endorse a President with a long history of comments/actions concerning women that most Americans find disturbing at best!

intojoy
March 12th, 2018, 10:57 AM
I'm closer to America than where you are, by which I mean being on the planet.

Crank.

Start the week with exceeding great joy my friends
Trump Won't Win https://www.topbuzz.com/article/i6518967873073840650?user_id=6427627271447643145&language=en&region=us&app_id=1106&impr_id=6532102632683604233&gid=6518967873073840650


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The Barbarian
March 12th, 2018, 02:12 PM
Nobody cares what you three BOZOS have to make up.

You keep saying that, but you show an extraordinary obsession with the Evil Barbarian. I'm just showing you what Trump has been doing with American jobs. There's been a slight increase in the total number of American jobs going overseas in the past year. That's what Trump's own administration shows.

But notice that the number of jobs shipped overseas by federal contractors has doubled.

And Trump could stop that with a single order. But he won't. For reasons we both know.

Arthur Brain
March 16th, 2018, 08:53 PM
Makes me sick how so many are such wimps and scared to death they might offend some pervert.

Then go pacify yourself with some David Duke vids.

:Plain:

Tambora
March 16th, 2018, 09:11 PM
Then go pacify yourself with some David Duke vids.

:Plain:If ya run across one (in between you watching vids of how "nice" Islam is) where he is gunning down perverts, send me a link.

Arthur Brain
March 16th, 2018, 09:25 PM
They are perverts, plain and simple.
And folks like you just create more ways and excuses to have more perversion going on.
Cause you are soooooo scared you might offend a pervert.

Wusses.

Yeah Tam, it would be sooooo much more 'manly' to just lock everyone up who deigns to have any sorta adult relationship outside of a marriage vow. In the real world there's no equating crimes that violate people with your loony sensibilities and it's not my problem if you're too thick to understand the obvious difference. I don't expect much in the way of intelligence from zealots of any persuasion and you're no different.

Arthur Brain
March 16th, 2018, 09:29 PM
If ya run across one (in between you watching vids of how "nice" Islam is) where he is gunning down perverts, send me a link.

Oh, I wouldn't expect him to. He seems too busy making asinine videos for gullible, fawning little white supremacist dopes and zealots to get all cosy with than anything else.

:cloud9:

Arthur Brain
March 16th, 2018, 10:01 PM
The term “pervert” originally referred to an atheist, which means that, strictly speaking, the world’s biggest perv is currently Richard Dawkins.

Cite? Why would you put Dawkins at the top of that particular list as well? Unlike a lot of religious zealots, he has no truck with sadistic glee at the prospect of people's suffering and has a compassionate streak that fundamentalist Christians of the rabid variety display little of. FTR, I don't agree with the guy on atheism.

The Barbarian
March 16th, 2018, 10:25 PM
The term “pervert” originally referred to an atheist, which means that, strictly speaking, the world’s biggest perv is currently Richard Dawkins.

Strictly speaking, Dawkins isn't an atheist at all:

Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist
He is regarded as the most famous atheist in the world but last night Professor Richard Dawkins admitted he could not be sure that God does not exist.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9102740/Richard-Dawkins-I-cant-be-sure-God-does-not-exist.html

Turns out, he's an agnostic.

Tambora
March 16th, 2018, 10:52 PM
Yeah Tam, it would be sooooo much more 'manly' to just lock everyone up who deigns to have any sorta adult relationship outside of a marriage vow. In the real world there's no equating crimes that violate people with your loony sensibilities and it's not my problem if you're too thick to understand the obvious difference. I don't expect much in the way of intelligence from zealots of any persuasion and you're no different.In other words, an adulterer having sex with a porn star that sleeps with married men is no biggie and should be a private affair between those two consenting adults.

So what's your problem with Stormy and Trump again?????

Arthur Brain
March 16th, 2018, 10:56 PM
pervert (v.)
c. 1300 (transitive), "to turn someone aside from a right religious belief to a false or erroneous one," from Old French pervertir "pervert, undo, destroy" (12c.) and directly from Latin pervertere"overthrow, overturn," figuratively "to corrupt, subvert, abuse," literally "turn the wrong way, turn about," from per "away" (see per (https://www.etymonline.com/word/per?ref=etymonline_crossreference)) + vertere "to turn, turn back, be turned; convert, transform, translate; be changed" (from PIE root *wer- (https://www.etymonline.com/word/*wer-?ref=etymonline_crossreference) (2) "to turn, bend").

Well, that wouldn't necessarily be atheism then would it, given how much there's so many cries of 'heresy' towards those who happen to believe that there's a God but who don't necessarily ascribe to correct "doctrine" and such eh?

:Plain:

Arthur Brain
March 16th, 2018, 11:05 PM
In other words, an adulterer having sex with a porn star that sleeps with married men is no biggie and should be a private affair between those two consenting adults.

So what's your problem with Stormy and Trump again?????

Well, it sure ain't any biggie for you and as I've told you before, I'm more interested in the allegations of assault against Trump as I am in his very likely affair with Clifford. Then again, how is Trump going to "MAGA" if he doesn't outlaw all "sexual misconduct" the likes of which you advocate? GM wouldn't touch that...

Arthur Brain
March 16th, 2018, 11:08 PM
I've heard that too, but it was more along the lines of being anti-GOD (against GOD) more so than just meaning one that did not believe there was a GOD.

Makes sense.

abortion is anti-GOD
gay sex is anti-GOD
adultery is anti-GOD

PERVS!

So, according to your "reasoning" a young couple who get together, have a relationship, including sex and outside of marriage are being perverts and 'anti God'? Might wanna send a telegraph to someone on that score cos most of the people you'd lock up wouldn't be seeing it that way.

The Barbarian
March 17th, 2018, 07:24 AM
In other words, an adulterer having sex with a porn star that sleeps with married men is no biggie and should be a private affair between those two consenting adults.

It's a deadly sin. You don't think that's a big deal? It's not illegal, but it's despicable. I recognize that you think it should be a crime, and people should be jailed for it.

So what's your excuse for supporting Trump again?

Mark 7:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

The Barbarian
March 17th, 2018, 09:58 AM
adultery is anti-GOD

Trump repeatedly commits adultery; he's been unfaithful to three wives in succession. Even claims adultery is not a sin. People like that are despicable.


PERVS!

Yep.

Tambora
March 17th, 2018, 11:32 AM
So, according to your "reasoning" a young couple who get together, have a relationship, including sex and outside of marriage are being perverts and 'anti God'? Might wanna send a telegraph to someone on that score cos most of the people you'd lock up wouldn't be seeing it that way.Do they have to be "young" for it to be OK to you?
Trump and Stormy weren't young enough, and that's why you condemn them?
I would send a telegraph warning folks of your double-standard. but most have already seen that your intense hatred of Trump is not about a concern for perversion at all.

Tambora
March 17th, 2018, 11:38 AM
Trump repeatedly commits adultery; he's been unfaithful to three wives in succession. Yep, and you wish to keep it perfectly legal and socially acceptable to do with no punishment at all.
So what's your problem with Stormy and Trump again????
Why are you targeting Trump for doing something you think is acceptable and should remain legal for others to do??????

The Barbarian
March 17th, 2018, 11:40 AM
Do they have to be "young" for it to be OK to you?

Shouldn't matter, should it?


Trump and Stormy weren't young enough,

Trump was married. So it's an offense against another person, as well as a sin. So it's not just between the pervert and God. It's also a matter of him cheating on his wife. Of course, he's told you that adultery isn't a sin, and you believed it, so you give him a pass. Yes, I know you have a separate standard for others, if you don't care for them. We all know what you would have been saying if Obama had been a pervert like Trump.

A warning for others about your double standard is unnecessary; we have already seen that your intense adulation of Trump is not about a concern for perversion at all.

Tambora
March 17th, 2018, 11:45 AM
It's a deadly sin. You don't think that's a big deal? It's not illegal, but it's despicable. I recognize that you think it should be a crime, and people should be jailed for it.

So what's your excuse for supporting Trump again?

Mark 7:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

Now tell us what instructions GOD gave as the legal process for those that commit adultery --- to stone them to death.
So what's your excuse for wanting it to have no legal consequences?????
I want adultery to be a legal crime.
Why don't you?
Oh yeah, because you are anit-GOD.

Tambora
March 17th, 2018, 11:55 AM
Shouldn't matter, should it?AB seems to think so.
Take it up with him.



Trump was married. Yep, and he committed adultery.
Consensual sex between two consenting adults.
What do think should be the legal consequence of such a horrid thing?????
I think it should be criminal and punished.
Why are you wanting to keep it legally acceptable?????



not about a concern for perversion at all.Again, I want it to be a criminal offense.
You don't.
You are the one preferring to let it slide.
Because you are a prev and anit-GOD.

Arthur Brain
March 17th, 2018, 12:43 PM
Do they have to be "young" for it to be OK to you?
Trump and Stormy weren't young enough, and that's why you condemn them?
I would send a telegraph warning folks of your double-standard. but most have already seen that your intense hatred of Trump is not about a concern for perversion at all.

No, if a middle aged or older couple decide to shack up together then they don'y need a marriage certificate in order not to be committing a crime. It's their business. If you want to enact laws that make it so then why not do as A4T once suggested and start your own community where you can apply your religious zealotry to those that want to be part of it. Otherwise, I'm not trapped in a double standard at all. As before, I'm not a religious zealot so I don't need to go along with your "ideals" to recognize the obvious differences between crimes of violation etc and people having private relations out of wedlock. Oh, I don't hate Trump either. I dislike the man as he's shown he'll bully and railroad people to get his own petulant way, he's also an embarrassment to the white house. That you give fawning adulation to a guy who obviously wouldn't implement any such laws against "sexual misconduct" then once again the double standard is yours.

Tambora
March 17th, 2018, 12:47 PM
No, if a middle aged or older couple decide to shack up together then they don'y need a marriage certificate in order not to be committing a crime. It's their business.
We get it, you think what Stormy and Trump did was their business.
So why are you making it your business????

Arthur Brain
March 17th, 2018, 12:53 PM
We get it, you think what Stormy and Trump did was their business.
So why are you making it your business????

Well, firstly, it's hardly private when it's splashed all over the news and you're clearly happy enough to continue your unbridled support for the guy so you must think it's their business as well. You're clearly not serious about "sexual misconduct" if you're gonna continue venerating a guy who wouldn't change anything on the score.