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beloved57
August 21st, 2011, 09:18 AM
2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As we read and study the scriptures, God has been pleased at times to give us certain light and understanding on a particular portion of scripture; and as we feel the desire to testify to that Truth, it at times is difficult in placing it in any given Thread. So I would like to introduce a thread that is designed for varied Truth's of scripture, not really given to any certain subject, but yet its Truth the same.

The first scripture passage i will begin with is 2 Tim 1:9-10

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

What death is abolished, and what light and immortality is brought to light via the Gospel ?

Now in a real sense Christ hath abolished even physical death, but that only to be the last enemy to be manifested as destroyed at His Second Coming, when it will be declared 1 Cor 15:54-55,51-52

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

And at His coming, some Saints will have never tasted of physical death, which will indicate the abolishment of death physically vs

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

But yet, even in this present life Christ by His death hath for the elect of God, hath abolished spiritual death, which by nature they are born dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This being dead, is a death that Christ hath abolished. The word abolished is the greek word katargeō and means:


to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative

a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency

b) to deprive of force, influence, power

2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

a) to cease, to pass away, be done away

b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one

c) to terminate all intercourse with one

Yes, for those whom Christ died and abolished death for, He for them causes spiritual death to cease, He puts an end to it, He annuls or abolishes it. Now How does He do that ?

beloved57
August 21st, 2011, 11:12 PM
2 Tim 1:9-10

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Now because Christ hath abolished death in regards to God's Chosen, They must now as a consequence of what Christ hath done, they must be quickened from the dead and made alive, given Life !

Eph 2:1,5

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Now in the original the word quickened is not present, so it would be emphasizing, and you being dead in your trespasses and sins. Thats the effects of the sin in Adam, but now lets look at vs 5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This time Paul adds the words Hath quickened. This is the word suzoopoieo which means:

to make one alive together , to cause to live, make alive, give life

by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate to produce alive, begat or bear living young


They are actually made alive together with Christ at the same time He was made alive from the dead, via His resurrection !

A companion scripture would be 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Those Christ died for, He hath abolished death for them, and gives them Spiritual and Immortal Life, His Life !

beloved57
August 22nd, 2011, 10:04 AM
2 Tim 1:9-10

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

The evidence that Christ has abolished death, that is spiritual death for all whom He died, and has given them Spiritual Life, it is then Christ sends His Gospel Preachers with the Gospel to them that have this Spiritual Life Rom 10:14-15

14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

The Preacher is sent by God to those who will Hear. Remember Paul says this Acts 28:28

Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

They will hear it because through Spiritual Life being given to them already, their spiritual death having been abolished by Christ, they have ears to Hear the Gospel of their salvation sent to them.

And their believing, their Repentance from dead works gives brings immortality and life to Light. The word light is the greek word phōtizō and it means:


to bring to light, render evident

a) to cause something to exist and thus come to light and become clear to all

So the Faith and Repentance of a Hearer of the Gospel that was sent to them, gives evidence of them having Eternal life..

So Jesus says Jn 5:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Their hearing and believing gives evidence of #1 They have been passed from death unto life [ Because Christ hath abolished their spiritual death 2 Tim 1:10] and #2 That they have Immortal of everlasting Life..

Desert Reign
August 22nd, 2011, 10:50 AM
Miscellaneous and Varied Truth's of scripture!


If someone cannot form the plural of a simple word correctly and pays no attention to basic rules of communication, how can I trust anything more complicated or profound that he might have to say?

beloved57
August 22nd, 2011, 10:56 AM
Acts 20:21


20And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house,

21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Repentance towards God and Faith towards The Lord Jesus Christ are New Covenant commands, given to those who have been given a New Heart and New Spirit Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

It is God the Holy Spirit who speaks the command within the New Heart, and it results in a New Gospel obedience, for the command is just as sure to produce the desired result of obedience as God's command of " Let there be Light "

The obedience do God's commands in the Covenant are sure and promised in vs 27 God will cause them to walk in His Statues, that is walk by Faith and they shall keep my Judgments and do them. Thats Repentance and Loving the brethren.

Here are New Covenant Commands 1 Jn 3:32

23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

They shall do !

beloved57
August 22nd, 2011, 02:17 PM
Covenant Blessings to those Christ died for are Faith and Love. Notice Paul's Testimony as one that testifies that Christ died for him Gal 2:20

20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Now he also wrote that the Grace of God was abundant toward him with Faith and Love which are in Christ Jesus our Lord. 1 Tim 1:12-14

12And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. [ See Rom 5:20]

You see Faith in God,in Christ Jesus, and Love to God and Christ Jesus, and other believers are bestowed upon or given to each elect vessel of mercy.

This Love to God [vs 14] was Promised as a Covenant Blessing to the Covenant People of God centuries before Deut 30:6

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

This Promise to circumcise the hearts of the Covenant People and their seed, has been fulfilled in The New Covenant in Christ's blood. Matt 26:28

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

All the Promises of God, even this one to circumcise the heart to Love the LORD thy God, find their amen in Christ 2 Cor 1:20

20For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Now, A Heart to Love God and Christ and to believe in God and Christ[See Rom 10:9] is to the Glory of God..and they flow to God's elect from the Covenant..

beloved57
August 22nd, 2011, 04:55 PM
Faith is promised as a result of the death of Christ, that is, to look [in faith] to Him whom they have pierced Zech 12:10


10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Notice that it is stated that I will pour out the Spirit of Grace upon the House of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for these are spiritual and typical designations for the tabernacle of David, and The Church and includes the gentiles Acts 15:16-17

16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Hosea 3:5

5Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

The gentiles upon whom My Name is Called, that is, they are in Covenant with Him. It can also read, that Israel by which my Name is Called The Israel of God Gal 6:16

So Faith and Love are in The Covenant Head and Surety of the Elect Christ Jesus, those who were given Grace in Him before the world began.

beloved57
August 24th, 2011, 10:13 AM
Rom 4:13

For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

The Righteousness which is of Faith Rom 9:30

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Before I say what this is, The Righteousness of Faith, let me say what it's not, but what most deceived souls believe it is !

It is not as the arminian and free-willer's claim a condition for one's Justification or Salvation !

Its not a choice or decision of the natural mind or understanding of man. If that were True, Paul would be wrong about his statement here 2 Thess 3:2

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

For it is the Gift of God Eph 2:8; Phil 1:29 and given to God's Elect Titus 1:1 and Christ Sheep Jn 10:26

Its not an spiritual act of ones performance in order to be Justified !

The Righteousness of Faith, is a God wrought Faith, which enables one to apprehend [to grasp the meaning of; understand, especially intuitively perceive] and embraces the imputed Righteousness of Christ, which has been freely laid or charged to their account.

Thats the meaning here Phil 3:9

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

In other words, God given Faith lets us in on the fact that Christ has been made our Righteousness before God 1 Cor 1:30


30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Rom 10:6

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above )

Faith is not a part of the Righteousness in which one is Justified before God, any more than ones mouth is a part of the food which nourishes the body. Faith is God's Gift [ Eph 2:8] It is the Fruit of the Spirit which is God's Gift [Acts 2:38] whereby they see, feed upon and Glory in Christ as He is revealed to them and in them. Faith is not a work performed by us in order to be Justified; but its a work of God in us by which we apprehend our Justification Jn 6:29

29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

The reason why its God's work in us to Believe on Him is because God hath made Him our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

So this is What the Righteousness of Faith means !

beloved57
September 2nd, 2011, 11:54 PM
Isa 53:10

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His Hand, meaning Christ's Hand. This is speaking of the Salvation of everyone He was sent to seek and to save Lk 19:10

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

He came to save all for whom the LORD God wills to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth 1 Tim 2:3-4

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The word pleasure here in Isa 53:10 is the hebrew word chephets and means:

delight, pleasure

a) delight

b) desire, longing

c) the good pleasure

d) that in which one takes delight

Now the word for will in 1 Tim 2:4 is the greek word thelō and means:


to will, have in mind, intend

a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose

b) to desire, to wish

So this should be easy to figure out. If its God's will or desire for all men to be saved and to come into a knowledge of the Truth, and scripture says that the pleasure or desire of the LORD shall prosper in His [ Christ whom He sent] then the LORD shall see His desire accomplished, for He entrusted it into the Hands of His Son, and scripture says that He shall prosper ! What does the word prosper mean ? Its the hebrew word tsalach and means:

to advance, prosper, make progress, succeed, be profitable

Its also translated effected as in 2 Chron 7:11

11Thus Solomon finished the house of the LORD, and the king's house: and all that came into Solomon's heart to make in the house of the LORD, and in his own house, he prosperously effected.


So all those God the Father wants to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth, Christ His Son effected it, He succeeded in accomplishing that, else, The Pleasure of the LORD did not prosper in His Hand.

If one soul perishes and is lost, then Isa 53:10, stating that the pleasure of the LORD prospered in His Hand is a lie !

beloved57
September 3rd, 2011, 07:29 AM
Lk 24:45-47

45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

The word repentance is the greek word metanoia and means:

a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

All those for whom Christ died for, God's Elect, His death and the benefits of it, grants all for whom He died for Repentance, that is a change of mind.

God had promised Abraham that in him, in his seed shall all nations be blessed Gen 12:3

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Now if recalled Peter quoted this scripture promise in one of his sermons Acts 3:25,26

25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

But lets look at vs 26

26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Here we see exactly what the blessing is of which all nations through Abraham's seed Christ shall be blessed with, its the fact that He will turn away everyone of them[The seed of Abraham] from their iniquities ! Thats Repentance.

The word bless in vs 25 is the greek word eneulogeō and means:

to confer benefits on, to bless

Yes, repentance or turning us from our iniquities, conversion is bestowed upon all for whom Christ died as a benefit of His death. Christ turns us, gives us a change of mind. Jer 31:19

Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.

Jesus turns all those He died for beck to God by giving them Repentance. You see Christ Himself , is the Seed of Abraham, and took on the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16; Heb 2:16 He was raised up as the Seed of Abraham, to be a Prince and a Saviour and to give [confer or bestow] Repentance [a Change of Mind] on Israel or the seed of Abraham Acts 5:31

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Israel here means God's Elect, His Chosen People, the Seed of Abraham. And its not limited to ethnic jews, but other sheep he hath not of that fold, they to shall be given repentance as a benefit of Christ death Acts 11:18

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

This as also a result of God's Promise " saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed."

beloved57
September 4th, 2011, 06:25 AM
By God's Grace I have been witnessing to the fact that by Christ atoning death, he gives all for whom He died at-one-ment back to God, that is He brings them back from their alienation and estrangement from their sin in Adam their natural head, and they are returned to the bishop of their souls 1 Pet 2:25

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Peter here says they [The Sheep] are returned ! The greek word for return is epistrephō and means:

to turn to

1) to the worship of the true God


to cause to return, to bring back

The word is also translated be converted Acts 3:19

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

So here both repentance and be converted are together ! Now the word in 1 Pet 2:25 is also in the passive voice, meaning the subjects, which are the sheep who went astray, are being returned, or they are being converted or being caused to repent by the effects of Christ atoning work on the cross.

Its the same Peter preaching in Acts 3:19 that wrote 1 Pet 2:25 !

The death of Christ turns all for whom He died back to God. If Christ's work did not accomplish that, then the blessing of Gen 12:3 would be null and void. Peter wrote in His Epistle later, that Christ death was that which brings the Elect to God 1 Pet 3:18

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins [His Death], the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

That He might bring us to God is another way of saying that He may convert us to God, or that He may Grant us repentance towards God.

beloved57
September 5th, 2011, 02:53 PM
This blessing of repentance that God through Christ gives His Elect is Illustrated by the parable of the prodigal son in Lk 15:11-24

11And he said, A certain man had two sons:

12And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

13And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

14And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

15And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

16And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Now lets look closer at vs 17-21, For what we have here in those verses is the blessing of Repentance being bestowed upon an Elect Child of God who went astray in Adam, now being returned to His Father because of the effects of the Finished work of Christ. You see, it was the result of Christ death that caused him to in verse 17 "when he came to himself" For this was the blessing of repentance being bestowed upon him beginning to work, and notice vs 18, the prodigal made up his mind that he would return back to His Father , who would be God in the Parable.

Whats being Illustrated is what Peter wrote of in 1 Pet 2:24-25

24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

As a result of Christ stripes which is another way of saying His Death, all the elect are healed, and that healing is evinced by their return to the Shepherd and Bishop of their souls.

Interestingly enough the greek word for returned is Epistrepho and means:

to cause to return, to bring back

to the love and obedience of God

Also it is in the passive voice, meaning the subjects are being returned by a ability outside of themselves !

This is absolute biblical proof that God through Christ gives all His People repentance !

beloved57
September 6th, 2011, 01:23 PM
2 Peter 1:1-4

1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

" That by these ye might be partakers of the Divine Nature".

Because of the Precious Promises of the New Covenant [ See Heb 8:10-12 ] all those for whom Christ died, His Seed, shall partake of a Divine Nature, the New Birth.

This stems from the fact that as Christ Spiritual Seed and in Union with Him.

It was the same because of their Union with Adam, when He sinned, as a consequence they partake of his fallen nature, hence being born physically into this world a sinner, with a appropriate sin nature, and so likewise, the Elect because of their Union and Oneness with Christ, The Last Adam, through His obedience and One act of Righteousness, and as a consequence, they partake of His Divine Nature, through New Birth, being born again as New Creatures. So being born with a sin nature, and then a Divine Nature, evidences that one was in Union with each Head, whether Adam or Christ, that resulted in each nature !

beloved57
September 6th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Just like the elect were made to partake of their sin nature, that is, it was not offered to them, it was not made available for them, they did not have a choice to accept it or reject it according to their own freewill. They were Sovereignly made partakers of it, So likewise it is in the same manner in regards to being made partakers of the New and Divine Nature.

2 Pet 1:4

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The word be here in the greek is the word ginomai and means:


to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen

It denotes a change of condition, its a passing from death unto Life, its the creation of the New Man as here Eph 4:24

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Just Like when Adam sinned, because of union, many were made sinners by nature, and likewise, when Christ obeyed, many shall be made righteous. And the word made Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

its the greek word kathistēmi:

to constitute, to render, make, cause to be

So as you can see these definitions are quite similar. The word

ginomai : To come into existence, to begin to be etc and the word kathistemi : To make, cause to be !

beloved57
September 12th, 2011, 11:14 AM
Acts 13:26

Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

The Gospel is sent by God to people for either their salvation Rom 1:16 or for their condemnation. It is meant by the wise providential direction of God to be either a savor of life unto life or death unto death 2 Cor 2:14-16

14Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

Now when God sends the Gospel for the purpose of salvation or conversion as Per Rom 1:16 and 1 Cor 1:18 it is the word of salvation as our text states in Acts 13:26. And when that is the case it is sent to them that Fear God ! Paul says " and whosoever among you feareth God "

Thats right, the Gospel cannot be a word of salvation or good news unless one is already in a state of fearing God !

This is confirmed with Peter being sent by God to Cornelius, but notice what scripture says about Cornelius Acts 10:1-2

1There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Now later in the same chapter it is said that the word was sent to he and his house. See Acts 10:17,20,21,29,33


And Acts 15 testifies to that Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should [B]hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

The Thief on the cross had the word of salvation declared to him by the King Lk 23:43

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

But look at the confession of this thief right before Lk 23:40

But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

Lydia obviously was one who feared God Acts 16:14

14And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

What were the things spoken by Paul but the Gospel, the word of Salvation !

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom Ps 110:11

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

And then only can we depart from evil Job 28:28

And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

If one has not the Fear of the Lord implanted by Regeneration or New Birth, then they will not depart from evil !

The redemption that is in Christ blood, brings forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7

7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

And why does God forgive sins ? Ps 130:4

But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

All for whom Christ died and which through His blood is the remission or forgiveness of their sins, they shall be made to fear God, and the Gospel, the word of salvation shall be sent to them..

beloved57
September 17th, 2011, 06:14 PM
Isa 55:11

11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void [without effect], but it shall accomplish[effect] that which I please[desire], and it shall prosper[succeed] in the thing whereto I sent it.

If God states that His Word is sent on a Mission by Him to Accomplish that which He is pleased and to prosper in the thing whereto its sent, then why don't men believe that the Incarnate Word, Whom He sent, does not prosper and accomplish that which He Pleases ?

For instance If God is pleased and desires that all men without exception be saved and come into a Knowledge of the Truth as many have twisted God's word to mean here 1 Tim 2:4

4Who will[desire] have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Then why does not the Incarnate Word Jn 1:14 whom He sent Jn 6:39

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Who came to seek and to save that which was Lost Lk 19:10

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Now if that is what He was sent for and came to do, then why are not all without exception being saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as God desires ?

Scripture says that the Pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. Isa 53:10

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and[B] the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

The word prosper here is the same word in Isa 55:11. So why does not the Incarnate Word save all for whom the Father wants or desires to be saved. For those of you who insist that 1 Tim 2:4 means all men without exception, then you will have to conclude that the Incarnate Word was not successful in all that His Father God sent Him to do..

beloved57
September 17th, 2011, 07:28 PM
Zech 6:12

And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Remember when Jesus said this of the OT scriptures ? Lk 24:25,27

Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

The word expounded here is the greek word diermēneuō and means:

to unfold the meaning of what is said, explain, expound

It should be no doubt that this Man the Branch is none other than The Son of David the Lord Jesus Christ Jer 23:5

5Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth

Isa 11:1

1And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

It is stated in the Prophecy of Zech 6:12 that this Man the Branch SHALL build the Temple of the LORD ! I believe the Temple is this one Eph 2:21

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

And would not that also be the same as the Church that the Branch said He came to Build Matt 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I believe this is Jesus stating here that He was the One , the Branch that was to build the Temple of the LORD from Zech 6:12. Yes the Temple and the Church are the same. Also the same is the Tabernacle of David Acts 15:16

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

This above reference includes the Gentiles in the building of the Temple, which Paul alludes to in Eph 2:19-22

Now the Branch Himself shall accomplish this Great Work for the LORD, not the freewill of men. The Branch gets all the Glory for building the Temple for the LORD, and not one Stone will be missing..

beloved57
September 17th, 2011, 11:36 PM
Gal 2:20

20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Paul says here " I am crucified with Christ" ! Lets stop right there for a minute. When was Paul crucified with Christ ? The word crucified here is the greek word Sustauroo and means:

to crucify alone with

Its also translated crucify with five times ! The word is also a Perfect passive indicative verb.

You see, Paul as well as all for whom Christ died, in their stead and behalf, were in Christ when He was Crucified and God reckons it as they also were Crucified together with Him. This is a real reckoning in the Mind and Purpose of God. 2 Cor 5:14-15

14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Paul here again means all where crucified with Christ, when He the One who died for them died, hence so all were dead with Him !

Notice Paul says in Gal 2:20, nevertheless I live ! Thats equivalent to saying what is said in 2 Cor 5:14-15, that all were dead , that they should live, and that not unto themselves, but unto Christ that died for them.

In Gal 2:20 Paul says Nevertheless I live, and He lives by the Faith of the Son of God, thats because he was given Life by Him that died for him. For all that Christ died, He becomes to them a quickening Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

This ensures that they all are quickened or made alive Spiritually ! This word quickening is the very same word used here Jn 5:21

21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Jn 6:63

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Holy Spirit is employed by Christ in the Covenant of Redemption to quicken or make alive Spiritually all whom He died for and whom by Union with Him died with Him, were crucified with Him, and so because He lives, they too must live also..

beloved57
September 24th, 2011, 05:58 AM
Idolatry is a very subtle sin, in fact, all by nature are Idolaters Rom 1:18-32 and the only deliverance from it is an effectual work of the Holy Spirit convincing us of this sin Jn 16:8-9, and this of course is effected by the Cross of Christ, His Person and Work. Quite often when we think of Idolaters, we consider people falling down before before pieces of wood or stone or some other graven image Ps 115:4-8

4Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

5They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

6They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:

7They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

8They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

or perhaps those who worship the planetary elements like the sun , moon or stars ! No doubt those things are forms of and ways of Idolatry. There however is another way that is more subtle, and that is for those of us who attribute Salvation in any degree to the will of man, or something man must and can do, an act or actions of his, yes if we do that, we are Idolaters, and have made ourselves God, the creature, because Salvation from beginning to Eternity belongs to God, and is Solely of God. We take upon ourselves a prerogative that belongs only to God, and that is He alone determines the final destiny of all His creatures according not to their will but His own will and pleasure ,purposed in Himself Eph 1:9

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

If and when we attribute any portion of Salvation to ourselves, even though we piously deny it, we become our own Savior, because in the final analysis we make our will, our choice the determining factor in Salvation, and that is Idolatry.

beloved57
September 24th, 2011, 07:39 AM
Men we are by nature boasters 2 Tim 3:2

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Romans 1:30

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

And so when writing about Salvation the Apostle Paul says Eph 2:8-9


8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

In order that no one has a reason to boast, Salvation is by Grace through Faith and that not of ourselves ! Whats not of ourselves ? Salvation by Grace through Faith is not of ourselves, thats what ! You see both the Salvation and the Faith to believe it make up the whole of the Gift of God. Remember The writer of Hebrews speaks things that accompany Salvation . Heb 6:9

But, beloved,we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

This word accompany is the greek word a verb echo and means:

used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship

That adhere together or that are closely Joined

to hold one's self to a thing, to lay hold of a thing, to adhere or cling to

a) to be closely joined to a person or a thing


The thought is of things being joined together or companions or that which clings with.

The ESV Though we speak in this way, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things—things that belong to salvation

The BIBE But, my loved ones, though we say this, we are certain that you have better things in you, things which go with salvation

The DBT But we are persuaded concerning you, beloved, better things, and connected with salvation, even if we speak thus.


Well Faith is one of those Things with Salvation that accompanies it or is connected with it, and Paul says , don't boast, its all a Gift of God's Grace.

So Neither Item in the whole Phrase Salvation nor Faith is of ourselves, and hence there is no ground for boasting.

One cannot say, well I am saved because I had Faith or I believed and you did not. Now I am not suggesting that those of us who believes that their act of Faith or believing is the ground of their Salvation opposed to one who had the same opportunity and did not believe or did not exercise Faith and so remained lost, I am not saying that they make a thing of boasting consciously about it, but nevertheless you have a reason or ground to boast, simply because you believe your act opposed to the no action of the lost one, is that which made the difference between saved and lost, so you were the closer, you closed the deal, and not the effectual benefits of the Death of Christ.

So any of us believing that by our Faith, our belief, our accepting,is the reason for Salvation, we are Trusting in our works, in the arm of the flesh for Salvation , and unless God grants to us repentance from this evil thinking., we are under His legal condemnation and that means Christ did not die for us, in order to give us Repentance, a Change of Mind ! Acts 5:31;11:18

beloved57
September 26th, 2011, 10:13 AM
Faith and Salvation go together, both by the Grace of God. The Gift of God's Grace Rom 5:15

15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

The Gift by Grace is "Salvation by Grace through Faith " Thats why Paul says believers believed by Grace Acts 18:27

27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Faith and Salvation must go together because Faith is the means by which God communicates to the one being saved the spiritual assurance and evidence that they stand Justified and have been made Right with Him based upon the work of Christ. The communication of this assurance and evidence results in Trust, Trust that things are as they have been communicated. Eph 1:13

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Trusting was not and is not a condition one meets to get saved, but the result of having been made known that one is saved. Its reliance upon a Truth revealed !

Those that God saves by the Merits of Christ wants them to know it, and give Him thanks through Christ for it !

Col 3:17

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him[Christ].

beloved57
September 27th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Isa 45:24-25

24Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

If it were not for the Righteousness of Christ imputed to my charge, I would have no Righteousness to recommend me to God, no not any. In the Lord Jesus Christ, shall all the seed of Israel be Justified or made Righteous or constituted Righteous [ Rom 5:19] it is only by the Righteousness of Christ imputed upon anyone, that he or she can be Justified 2 Cor 5:21

21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Christ was made sin , constituted as a sin offering, yes even a sinner [only by imputation], with the result, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

So what Righteousness do we have if we are believers ? It is not a Righteousness of our own Phil 3:9a

[B]And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness
which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

A Revealed Righteousness ! Rom 1:17

But a Righteousness that has been credited to our account. A Righteousness that did not belong to us, but it belonged to Christ, we have just been made, or constituted or credited the Righteousness of God in Him !

beloved57
September 29th, 2011, 12:40 AM
Lk 15:7

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

I have showed that one of the benefits of Christ death for the sinners that He died for, [for He did not die for all without exception] that all those will be given repentance, that is He will bless them by turning them away from their iniquities Acts 3:26

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The same Truth is taught here Acts 5:31

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Israel here means His Elect, of both jew and gentile ! Because Christ did not die, was raised, and exalted just for ethnic jews !

So this giving of Repentance is the same as Turning one away from his or her iniquities.

Every time a sinner repents and forsakes sin, its a testimony to the power of the Cross, Christ Crucified.

And scripture says Joy shall be in Heaven over one sinner that repenteth. Whose Joy is this ?

I believe it is the Joy of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, because every time a sinner repents its shows why He is Satisfied with His accomplishment of Calvary. Isa 53:11

11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

He shall see the Travail of His Soul ! When one repents because of the Travail of His Soul He is Satisfied.

The Travail means His grievous sufferings, His misery, enduring the wickedness of sinful men. But He did this for what ?

Heb 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

It was for the Joy that was set before Him ! What Joy ? This Joy


Lk 15:7,10

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

10Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

All the Joy is not because what a sinner has done in and of himself, but what The Cross of Calvary has done to the Glory of God..

The Cross of Christ brings back all God's People 1 Pet 3:18

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

That was the Joy set before Him, to see the success of His death and sufferings for each sinner He died for..Isa 53:10

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

beloved57
September 29th, 2011, 11:03 AM
Jn 6:37

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

All who come to Christ in Faith, for that is what come to me means, were a gift given to Him from the Father. Now these do not refer to all mankind without exception, but they are separated by Sovereign Electing and Discriminate Purpose and Grace from Eternity. Its not of their selves, nor their freewill, but according to His own Purpose and Grace given to them before the world began ! 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

beloved57
September 30th, 2011, 06:56 AM
What were those given to Christ by the Father given to Him for , what purpose ? It was to redeem them from sin. God determined before the world began to save a people from their sins Matt 1:21, for and by Jesus Christ; That being His Purpose, He decreed the sin of Adam, and they had been given to Christ so that He would be their Covenant Head.

Also all those that the Father gave to Christ have or will receive His words Jn 17:6,8

6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

The only difference is that of time, the disciples then, and others will in the future, that is why Jesus added in His prayer, that He not only prayed that He not only prayed for His disciples there presently in His hearing [ except judas who was not present at that time to hear Jesus words] but for them also who shall yet believe through their word Jn 17:20
,21

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

For all are One vs 21


21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

So the disciples were in Union with others, who shall also receive Christ's words Jn 1:12 ; Col 2:6. Even people who were not yet physically born. In Jn 17:9 Jesus was not only speaking speaking of His disciples presently with Him, but for all His disciples in the future as well, remember Jesus said "other sheep I have which are not of this fold, them also I must bring and they also will hear my voice and consequently follow me Jn 10:16, this means simply they will receive His words through the disciples !

beloved57
October 3rd, 2011, 10:39 PM
Legal obedience is a False Gospel ! What is that ? It is when people make Faith and or Repentance conditions one must do before they become saved or before they gain Eternal Life. In Preaching Salvation by Grace there are no conditions or requirements men must meet, no terms of obedience on the creatures part whatsoever. It is a Sovereign and Gracious Bestowal of a Gift upon all the Heirs of Promise, Chosen Sinners, Abraham's Seed [Spiritual].

Now Salvation or Eternal Life is a Promise, an Eternal Inheritance to a certain People, called the Heirs of Promise ! Heb 6:17

Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

The Promise for Heirs is Grace and Glory,its a promised inheritance, its a Eternal inheritance ! Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

The Promised Inheritance to the Heirs and their seed was not based upon their obedience or meeting any kind of conditions, but a pure promise by God. Gal 3:18

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

The inheritance here which is Eternal Glory, was not a conditional Promise to Abraham, but a Promise of pure Grace. Abraham nor his seed, did not have to repent, be baptized in water, believe or anything for God to make the Promise.

Todays false Gospel makes Eternal Life, a conditional promise based upon what man must do, thus corrupting God's Promise of Eternal Life.

Titus 1:2


2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

2 Tim 1:1

1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Now for those who Preach that the inheritance is obtained by their legal gospel obedience, you do lie and preach a false Gospel !

beloved57
October 7th, 2011, 08:53 AM
Rom 4:4

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Now I am familiar with the context of this scripture, contrasting work salvation with works and grace !

But its the word debt that I am interested in here. It is the greek word opheilēma and means:

that which is owed

a) that which is justly or legally due, a debt

2) metaph. offence, sin

Now who believes that God is unjust if He did not provide a chance for everyone without exception to be saved ? For those of you who answer in your mind and heart " Affirmative" that reveals that you believe that Salvation is a matter of debt, that God is a debtor to man in this matter of Salvation. If you believe that if God only Sovereignly chose some men to Salvation and whom He would give it to, and He chose to leave others to perdition with no hope, with no possible chance of ever receiving salvation, if so doing makes Him Unjust in your thinking, then you believe God is a debtor to man !
In essence you are saying that God does not have the right to do as He pleases with His Saving Grace and Mercy if He only reserves it for some men, and excludes others.

That is Pauls point in Rom 9. So again, if you believe that God would be unjust in so dealing with His Creatures, then it is obvious that in your proud heart you believe God is a debtor to man !

beloved57
October 10th, 2011, 12:26 PM
1 Tim 1:15

15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Matt 1:21


21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.


These Two verses compliment one another and speak to the same Purpose, Christ coming to save, not coming to make saving possible, but actually coming to save sinners from their sins. No not all sinners, but all those sinners that are His People given to Him by the Father Jn 17:2 !

Now involved in this great work committed to Christ, to save sinners from their sins, this means He must save them from their unbelief, thats why believing in Him is a evidence of Him having saved one from their unbelief. Paul was saved from his unbelief, and afterwards his testimony was that Christ came to save sinners, observe 1 Tim 1:12-15

12And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Yes, his unbelief and ignorance had to be dealt with, and that is what Christ does when saving a soul from sin. He saves them from unbelief and ignorance.

Now the question is this, is unbelief a sin to be saved from ? Yes it is, no question about it, for it's the sin that got National Israel cut off as God's Covenant People Nationally. Listen to the scripture Rom 11:20

20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

So who wants to challenge scripture that unbelief is a sin ? The word here for unbelief is the greek word apistia and means:

unfaithfulness, faithless

2) want of faith, unbelief

3) weakness of faith


Its the same word used in 1 Tim 1:13

Its also the same word used in Heb 3:12 for an evil heart of unbelief !

Christ came to save sinners from a evil heart of unbelief ! Did not Paul as Saul have and was compelled by an evil heart of unbelief as he persecuted Believers ?

If unbelief is not a sin that men need to be saved from, then why did God conclude all in unbelief [disobedience] that He should have mercy on all ? This plainly intimates that unbelief needs mercy, and it is according to His Mercy that He saves sinners Titus 3:5


5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

God saves sinners from their unbelief according to His Mercy. Is not that Paul's testimony ? 1 Tim 1:13,16

13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Now in light of this Truth, what unlearned person would say unbelief is not a sin ? Its disobedience ! Now if it is a sin, and God through Christ saves His People from their sins, then quite naturally He saves them from or out of their unbelief, their disobedience, or else He did not save them from their sins..

beloved57
October 10th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Lk 5:32

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

1 Tim 1:15

15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Whats being said here is nothing different than what the Angel announced in Matt 1:21, though more clarity is now given as to the sinners He came to save and to call to repentance. The sinners He came to call and save were not all sinners without exception, but all those given Him of the Father Jn 17:2. Now lets look at the term they are called, Sinners, not just sinners to be called sinners, but sinners sensibly so, that is they are made to know and feel their sinfulness, remember the Publican and Pharisee ? Lk 18:9-13

9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

You see that ? Now both were sinners, however only one of them was a sensible sinner ! Which one was it?

You see, this one who felt and was conscious of his sinfulness has been called to repentance by Christ !

beloved57
October 11th, 2011, 08:59 AM
What made one man The Publican feel sensibly that he was a sinner, while the other was trusting in himself Lk 18:9 and that he was righteous ? The answer is the Law of God. God will smite all those He purposes to save from their sins with a Spiritual application of God's Law inwardly. One of the main purposes of God's Law being given, is so that His people would know [feelingly] sin, their inherent sinfulness before Him, that by nature they are guilty before Him Rom 3:19

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Become Guilty experientially ! The word here become is the greek word ginomai and means to be made guilty, or to be made to feel ones indebtedness to God's Law !

Paul said that he would not have known sin [experimentally] but by the Law that says, though shalt not covet Rom 7:7-8


7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

This commandment " thou shalt not covet", this law was applied to paul spiritually, in all of it's spirituality [Rom 7:14] and by the Work of the Holy Spirit, who is the only One who uses the Law lawfully[1 Tim 1:8], for its God given purpose in serving the ends of the Salvation of God's Elect.

The Law or the commandment seized an opportunity by the Work of the Spirit to wrought in paul !

That word wrought means ,to perform, to achieve,to work out i.e. to do that from which something results

Notice it wrought in Him, that is, this was not a mere external work of the Spirit or of the law, just a bare command, but something performed in him inwardly. This is the Spirits work of convincing the world [of the elect] of sin Jn 16:8-9

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

This work of the Spirit is needed because without it, Paul would not have known his sinfulness, he would have been just like that Pharisee in the parable Lk 18, who Trusted in himself that he was righteous !

We know this because of what Paul said of himself in Phil 3:3-6

It takes a Sovereign work of God the Holy Spirit in a person to bring such a person to feel their sinfulness before God. That Pharisee in Lk 18 only had one hope of being saved, and that would be a work of God showing him his sinfulness ! You see self righteousness is a sin we all are by nature, and nothing short of the Regenerating Grace of the Holy Spirit can convince us of this sin and results in believing on Christ ! Jn 16:9

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

You see, a self righteous person sees no need of a Saviour from sin.

So all God's Elect according to the Saving Purpose of God will be made experimentally sinners, those Christ came to save !

beloved57
October 11th, 2011, 02:23 PM
So all God's Elect according to the Saving Purpose of God will be made experimentally sinners, those Christ came to save !

Before this Sovereign work of the Spirit, Paul would not have considered himself a sinner against the tenth commandment of God's Law, lets read Phil 3:4-6

4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

You see , this was Paul's thinking before how he thought when he wrote this in Rom 7:7-9

7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Paul in his preconverted days as in Phil 3:4-6 points out, he would not have considered himself a covetous man, in violation of God's Tenth Commandment Ex 20:17

17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Now, if he was guilty in one point, he was guilty of all says James 2:10

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point[covet], he is guilty of all.

Paul, though he did not realize it when he was performing that which he refers to in Phil 3:4-6, he was an idolater, look here Col 3:5

5Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

You see that ? Paul would have fought you tooth and nail if any would have labeled him an Idolater when he was a sincere faithful pharisee of the jews religion !.

Man does not realize by nature his Idolatry in that way, for it's something that must be taught us by a Sovereign Work of the Holy Spirit and the Law of God.

Remember, Jesus said, " I came not to call the righteous [insensible sinners] but sinners [sensible sinners by way of the Spirit and an application of God's Law] to repentance. Thats why Jesus said here Matt 11:28

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

These are they who have been by the Sovereign Spirit been smitten by the Law, and they are burdened with a sense if their sinfulness before God, as the Publican Lk 18:13

13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

You know what ? The publican did not realize it, but God had been already merciful to him , because he realized he was a sinner.

beloved57
October 18th, 2011, 01:41 AM
Phil 3:20-21

20For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The Transformation of our bodies, the elect of God, is an effect of Christ's Redeeming work of the Cross, and its destruction of death and the effects of sin. Now get this, the freewillers or arminians who think they are believers and will experience this transformation, they do not contribute the hope to Christ's Work alone that He accomplished for His People, but to their wise and freewill choice. They supposedly allowed this to occur or will occur to them by their freewill choice and belief, and others who will not experience it, it is because they did not allow it by not accepting Jesus Christ as their Saviour when they had the chance and opportunity as they did.

You see, the Change or Transformation of the body of the redeemed into the likeness of the Lord's body of Glory is the final manifested triumph of His redemptive work over the power of death, which as a penalty of sin, came upon man's being, for the last enemy to be destroyed or subdued is death [physical], and the last victory won by the redeeming Lord of Glory, is the power of death in these vile bodies of His People, His Body the Church, by their Glorious Change into the likeness of His Body. This was David's hope also a OT Saint or Believer Ps 17:15

15As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. He is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ here Ps 110:1

Now the freewillers boast is that none of this victory over death for a person is possible to experience except by man's freewill accepting it, which is utter blasphemy and arrogance, and self exaltation..

beloved57
October 19th, 2011, 12:11 PM
James 1:25

25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

What is this Perfect Law of Liberty that James is speaking of ? You know many believe that James taught salvation by works or by keeping the Law, but that is no where near the Truth, and I know that those who teach that he does, they are under God's Judgment and will not be able to repent. However this Law is a Law of Righteousness, Redemption and forgiveness, made known through the Gospel !

It is when the Law has been utilized by the Holy Spirit to do with it it's God given purpose, that is to lead the elect of God into a knowledge of sin, and give them Faith in Christ, who fulfilled the Law's demands in their behalf, as their Surety. It is not until we realize this, do we obey the Law from a correct motive of Gospel principles. That means those Christ died for have no obligation to law obedience in order make themselves acceptable to God. That is what Looking into the Law of Liberty means. Remember what Paul wrote Gal 5:1

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

The words here stand fast give the same connotation as the words in James 1:25

25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

So James is basically saying the same thing Paul is saying in Gal 5:1, remember your Gospel Liberty !

beloved57
October 21st, 2011, 11:43 AM
Eph 2:10

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The word works here is the greek word ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

The noun is preceded by the adjective good as in good works, and that word is agathos and means:

of good constitution or nature

2) useful, salutary

3) good, pleasant, agreeable, joyful, happy

4) excellent, distinguished

5) upright, honourable


This word is also translated well as in well doing as here Rom 2:7

7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Eph 2:10 good works is the same as Rom 2:7 well doing !

Believers had been created in Christ Jesus unto well doing, well doing that God hath before ordained that they should walk in them or by them !

I am going to share a couple of items that constitute the good works that believers had been ordained to walk in .

The First Good work that a New Creation does it believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing is a work, something that man does. Anything man does, and particularly when He does what God commands, then he does a work, a deed, a performance, he does a good deed. James 1:25

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty[The Gospel], and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed

John writes 1 Jn 3:23

23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Believing on the name of the Son of God is commanded by God, who will deny this in light of this verse ?

Believing on Christ is the work of the intellect or the mind or the Heart. Paul writes that man believes with the Heart Rom 10:10

10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Believing here is a well doing of the heart, a good deed or act !

When the Philippian Jailor asked " What must I do to be saved "

Acts 16:30

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The word do here is the greek word poieō which means this:

to act rightly, do well

to perform: to a promise

The word do is a verb and so denotes action !

And Paul answered with an imperative " Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and though shalt be saved"

The word believe here in the greek is an imperative, a command to do something, so its a work, an effort or performance of ones mind. God does not believe for one, that is something man must do.

Again, believing is an action, a command is a duty, all this denotes a work, a good work !

beloved57
October 22nd, 2011, 06:07 PM
We have been showing from scripture that Believing on Christ is a good work that those whom have been created in Christ, were created in order to perform. The good work of believing on Christ is one of many. It is a work or performance or action of the Mind or Heart, one of the very first things to do when given a New Heart and New Spirit Ezk 36:26-27

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The word do here is `asah and is translated perform 18 times in the OT as into perform God's commandments as here Deut 4:13

13And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Now, John in the NT writes that God has commandeth us to believe on the Name of His Son 1 Jn 3:23


23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

But guess what else that word means other than perform? It means to work or in the context of work as here Gen 2:2

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Ex 5:9

9Let there more work be laid upon the men, that they may labour therein; and let them not regard vain words.


Ex 31:5

5And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship.

This establishes the fact that to believe, a command is classified as a work !

The Phillipian Jailor's question, what must I do to be saved, denotes a work" What must I DO "

Paul's response was a command "to believe" that denotes a work, a performance.

So actions performed by the Heart or the Mind or the Soul, are works.

So if someone says that they are saved from the penalty of sin and given Eternal Life, Because they believed, obeyed a commandment of God, as to Believe the Gospel or to believe on Christ, then that person is saying whether they agree with me or not here, whether they realize it or not, they are saying that they are because of a good work they performed, albeit it was with the mind or the heart. Once that happens, that person rejects Salvation by Grace through Faith , and if they continue therein with that thinking, then they are under the curse of the Law, because Salvation is by Grace, and not by ones good works Eph 2:8-9

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Gal 3:10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

As Long as we believe that we are saved by our doing, our faith, our repentance, or anything God commands, then that's the Principle of Law and Works !

beloved57
October 23rd, 2011, 08:08 PM
Not only was Believing on Christ a good work that God commanded to be done after He creates us New, but another work is confession.

Matt 3:6

And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Thats a work because its an action being done by the subjects. They are confessing their sins. Now I am not talking about a Physical work, but a Mind work, a performance of the mind.

We must not loose site of the definition of the word work used in scripture. It is the greek word:ergon:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

The word mind means:

substance, or process that reasons, thinks, feels, wills, perceives, judges, etc.: the processes of the human mind.

2.Psychology. the totality of conscious and unconscious mental processes and activities.

3.intellect or understanding, as distinguished from the faculties of feeling and willing; intelligence.

Next, Calling upon the Name of the Lord is a good work ! Its a performance.

The same for Repentance, thats a good work. The term in scripture repent is many times associated with the word works.

Acts 26:20

But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Rev 2:5

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.


Matt 3:8;Lk 3:8

Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance

The word fruits here is the greek word karpos:
work, act, deed

Repentance is a good work, a good deed. And God created His People anew unto these good works.

Now be advised, if one believes and teaches that they are saved from sin because they performed the act of Believing, or confessing, or repenting, then you are claiming salvation by your good works, your good deeds.

The Bible condemns that teaching and way of thinking. Salvation is by Grace through Faith, not of works Eph 2:8-9


8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Not because of works of righteousness which we have done, like Believing, Repentance, our confessing, paul denies those things saves, but by God's mercy !

beloved57
October 24th, 2011, 09:40 AM
John 1:29

29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Yes, there is a world that the Son of God, The Lamb of God has done away with all of it's sin ! ALL OF IT ! All of it's unbelief, Idolatry, Coveteousness, Pride and so on. There will be nothing against this world John here is referring to Jer 50:20

In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

The world John means is the same One God so Loved Jn 3:16, it is the One Paul writes this of 2 Cor 5:19

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

God did not count this world's sins against them. Thats what " not imputing their trespasses unto them" means !

This is the World that Jesus gives [not offer] Life to Jn 6:33

33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life [Spiritual] unto the world.

This is to the whole world of His Sheep, comprised of both jews and gentiles, His Israel of God.

That word giveth means to give what is due, what is obligatory, like a reward. Yes, the Life that Christ gives this World in Jn 6:33 is due them, not because of anything that it has done or deserved, but because of His Giving His Life for it. Jn 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

By Him so doing, He took away this Worlds sin issue Jn 1:29, and so, since no sin issues are against it, It demands that it be given Life. And Christ gives it Life. He saved this World from it's sins. Its the world of God's Elect, His Israel , His Church, His Sheep !

Its not every single individual in the world without exception, because Jesus plainly says that some individuals will not see Life Jn 3:36

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

So, these individuals are not part of that world in Jn 6:33

33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

And of that world in Jn 1:29 !

beloved57
November 4th, 2011, 08:06 AM
Deut 32:9

9For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

The word portion here means inheritance, which is Jacob His Chosen. Ps 135:4

For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

Now God's Inheritance and Chosen in the NT is The Church Eph 1:4,18

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Now are these Two different People's as God's Inheritance or His Portion ? Are these Two different Chosen ? God forbid, they are One and the Same. The Chosen Jacob of the OT is the Chosen in Christ of the NT, which also is the Church, they that belong to Christ; and those who belong to Christ whether Jew or Gentile are Abraham's Seed Gal 3:29

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So fact is, that same Chosen Jacob which is God's Inheritance in the OT is the Same Group that is God's Chosen Inheritance in the NT, those Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4,18 which are the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:29 !

beloved57
November 4th, 2011, 09:04 AM
Rev 14:1

1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

No doubt this 144,000 is the same as that in Rev 7:1-4

1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Now if this 144000 is not the Church in symbolic language, then there is another group closer and nearer to Him, the Lamb, the Bridegroom than His Bride and Wife the Church whom is One with Him, Bone of His Bone and Flesh of His Flesh. Rev 19:7-8

7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Eph 5:29-33

29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

You see because this 144000 in Rev 14:4 is said to

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Now thats very close to follow the Lamb withersover he goeth ! What about the Lamb's wife of Rev 19:7 Why doesn't She follow her Husband whithersover He goeth ?

The reason is , Thats who the Wife of the Lamb is, the 144000, that were virgins !

beloved57
November 6th, 2011, 07:01 PM
Rom 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The word gift here is the greek word charisma:


1) a favour with which one receives without any merit of his own

2) the gift of divine grace

3) the gift of faith, knowledge, holiness, virtue

4) the economy of divine grace, by which the pardon of sin and eternal salvation is appointed to sinners in consideration of the merits of Christ laid hold of by faith

5) grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit

The word is translated Twice as Free Gift Rom 5:15-16

Its important to see here that the word offer is not included in the definition ! Of the other 15 times the word is used in the NT it never means a offer ! Its almost always means something freely given !

Now Adam gave God's People Death, but Christ gave God's People Eternal Life, as a Gift ! Jesus said that He giveth Life unto the world Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life[Spiritual] unto the world !

God giving Eternal Life through Jesus Christ is just as real and certain as receiving death through Adam ! Now was death merely offered to men or made available to them, depending on whether they will except it with their so called freewill ? No it was not, and neither is Eternal Life, a gift to those who will accept it by their freewill as false teachers claim, but it comes to them through Jesus Christ. Those who teach that Eternal Life is a Offer and can be accepted or rejected, they are liars and the Truth is not in them, men no more have to accept Eternal Life as an offer than they had to accept death as the wages of sin as an offer. For the wages of sin God gave death, and for the wages of Christ's death He gives Eternal Life. When God gave His Son, He gave the world He Loved Life Jn 6:33. Many will say, but you must believe to be saved, and that is so True, however you must have Life {Jn 6:33] to believe ! Living [Spiritually] precedes believing Jn 11:26

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The only ones who believe are the one's having or possessing Eternal Life Jn 5:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

How can one dead in sin be hearing God's word. Jesus says that he that is of God heareth God's words Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

He that is of God means they possess Eternal Life, by being born of God the Spirit !

beloved57
November 7th, 2011, 03:17 AM
He that is of God means they possess Eternal Life, by being born of God the Spirit !

1 Jn 5:11 reads:

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Notice again, John writes that the record is, God hath GIVEN not offered, us Eternal Life, which is in His Son, or Through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ as Rom 6:23b would state it " but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

These scriptures say the same, God gave us [those who are believing] Eternal Life, when He gave us His Son. Giving Christ produced and effected Eternal Life for " as many as the Father had given Him" Jn 17:2

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Just as the wages of sin, what Adam did, caused the Elect to be born sinners and in spiritual death, likewise God's Gift, through Jesus Christ, causes the Elect, [Those given to Him by the Father] causes us to be born into Spiritual life. God had before the foundation purposed in Himself, for the Glory of all His Perfections and Attributes, Chose to Save Elect sinners through Jesus Christ.

beloved57
November 11th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Do men by nature know the True God ? Even the Father ! The answer is no, thats seen by Christ's statement Matt 11:27

27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Now this is not referring to God as a Creator, for men may know of Him in that respect Rom 1:21

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

But the knowing Jesus means in Matt 11:27 is a knowing in a salvaic way, as a Covenant God.

heathen know of a God in a Creational way, which leads to Idolatry Acts 17:21-23

21(For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)

22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Jesus also told ethnic jews who always boasted about being of Abraham's Seed, His Physical seed, Jesus says to them, a religious bunch Jn 8:19


19Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

So NO men by nature, even religious jews in Christ time, do not know the True God, and as Jesus says, He must be pleased to reveal Him unto one before it can be a reality for anyone !

Matt 11:27

27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Mans freewill cannot attain to that which must be revealed supernaturally to him !

beloved57
November 16th, 2011, 07:10 AM
Jn 19:34

34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

What does the blood and water really mean here when it flowed from the side of the Blessed Saviour ? The Blood represents The Redemption that He accomplished for the sins of all those He died for. They have been redeemed by His Blood.

Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

May I add, this blood redemption is not a possible redemption or a redemption made available, or merely offered, but a redemption that actually Redeemed those He died for TO GOD !

Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Col 1:14

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

The word redemption here has for its meaning this:

a releasing effected by payment of ransom

A releasing was not offered, was not made available, but was actually effected ! The word effected here means:

something that is produced by an agency or cause; result; consequence:

2. power to produce results

Now what does the Water mean ? it means Life, The Death of Christ gives to those He died for Redemption and Life, Spiritual Life !

You see, redemption is always from death or out of death Hos 13:14

I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

This results in Life ! He redeems His People out of Death into Life.

The water represents the water of Life ! Rev 21:26

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

You see, redemption from death makes one spiritually thirsty..

Jn 4:14

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Notice Jesus said" The water that I SHALL GIVE UNTO THEM" He did not say, offer to them, or make the water available to them, but that he SHALL GIVE them.

The Life He shall give them ! For He giveth Life unto the World Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

And No, He does not mean every single individual in the world without exception ! But the World of His Elect, His Church,His Sheep, of every redeemed sinner from out of the Earth, as here Rev 5:9

9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Its that world, the world that shall sing that new song..

The Blood redeems from death, the water gives Life to the redeemed..

beloved57
November 21st, 2011, 07:35 PM
To those who are not chosen to Salvation by sanctification of the Spirit and Belief of the Truth, the Gospel is hid from them, it's a hidden wisdom, which God hath ordained only for His called and Chosen !

2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


The Truth of the Gospel vs 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Our Gospel is the Gospel that belongs to the Chosen of God !

The Gospel is hidden to some, those who are lost 2 Cor 4:3

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The word hid is the greek word kalupto and means:

to hide, veil

a) to hinder the knowledge of a thing


And the word is in the passive voice. The passive voice means:

The passive voice represents the subject as being the recipient of the action. E.g., in the sentence, "The boy was hit by the ball," the boy receives the action.

This means that the Gospel is being purposely hindered from them coming into the Knowledge of it. God is hiding it from them by means of the blindness that satan imposes upon the mind. vs 4

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Paul writes again 1 Cor 2:6-7

6Howbeit we speak wisdom[Gospel] among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Notice he calls it the hidden wisdom of God ! The Gospel is the Wisdom of God, it originated of God Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,


It's the Gospel of His Kingdom, and He hides it from some Matt 11:25

25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

If God wanted all men without exception to come to the Knowledge of the truth 1 Tim 2:4, then why does He hide or conceal it from the wise and prudent ?

Matt 13:11

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

To some it is not given of God for them to know the Truth. If it is, there is a conflict with Matt 13:11 and 1 Tim 2:4

But the truth is, it just is not God's will for the Lost, the non elect, to come into a saving knowledge of the Gospel , of the Truth. The Gospel is the word of Truth Eph 1:13

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

beloved57
November 26th, 2011, 06:49 PM
James says something about the Perfect Law of Liberty James 1:25

25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

This scripture most certainly a reference to the redemptive privileges and benefits of the work of Christ, who has set free [liberated] all those He died for from the bondage of the Law. It, the Perfect Law of Redemption] is a Law of Redemption and Liberty Paul wrote Gal 5:1

1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

James and Paul are speaking about the same Liberty !

But notice something, the Looking into the Law of Liberty is said to be a deed, which means a work !

The Looking means seeing, as to see the Son and Believe Jn 6:40


40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Now this word seeth here is the greek word theōreō and means:


to be a spectator, look at, behold

a) to view attentively, take a view of, survey

1) to view mentally, consider

And the word Looketh in James 1:25 is parakyptō:


metaph. to look carefully into, inspect curiously

Both words denotes attentiveness

James calls this looking into the Gospel of Christ's Liberty a deed and a work. When He writes " and a doer of the work" this merely means to continue believing,

Notice James 1:25

25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

A doer of the word, meaning the work of Faith !

Now, for those who believe they are saved because they believed the Gospel, something they did, then they believe they are saved by their deed, their doing of the work !

It cannot be made more plainer than this that believing is a work..

beloved57
November 29th, 2011, 06:16 PM
John 7:24

24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Believe it or not, but this is a command of the Saviour to His People, His Disciples, those who are Disciples indeed. Though He forbids Judging on a premise of mere outward appearance Matt 7:1, yet He commands Judgment based upon a righteous standard, and what is that standard ? Ps 96:13

Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Rom 3:7

For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

Thats standard is the Truth of God !, The Scripture of Truth Dan 10:21

But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

And so when it comes to the affairs of Salvation and what is Truth, the True Sheep of Christ are instructed to try the Spirit by the Spirit 1 Jn 4:1

1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

The word try here is the greek word dokimazō and means:


to test, examine, prove, scrutinise (to see whether a thing is genuine or not), as metals

2) to recognise as genuine after examination, to approve, deem worthy

It also is a present tense imperative, denoting a command to be continually trying the spirits of the prophets !

The Believe should use the scripture to examine, to test and to prove , what a teacher or prophet is saying is Truth ! The Believer will be able to detect the Spirit of Truth or the spirit of error 1 Jn 4:6

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

The believer cannot judge by outward appearance, such as morality or things that generally appear righteous to mere man Matt 23:38

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

But the believer is to examine the state of a man's heart ! How ? By what comes out of a person's mouth, the words they speak, speaketh from the heart.

Isa 59:13

In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

Matt 15:19

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Matt 12:34

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

You see that Truth of Christ ? "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh"

I did not make this up ! So when it comes to Judging Truth and Error, the Child of God must Judge, examine the words, what is spoken or written by the teachers or prophets, and those things they speak proceed from the heart, regardless of their outward appearance !

We can Judge what spirit of influence one is controlled by, by what they speak. Jesus said in Matt 12:37

37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Now even though these words may have more to do with the future judgment to come, nevertheless a Kingdom principle has been established. The True Servants of God will be Justified in regards to their Christian witness of the Gospel Matt 24:14

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And God will vindicated them in the Judgment Isa 54:17

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

But those False witnesses and the things they spoke, shall be condemned in the Judgment !


The servants of the Lord even now in this Life can Judge what a False testimony of the Gospel, even as they are commanded to do so by their Saviour Jn 7:24


24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

beloved57
November 29th, 2011, 10:21 PM
These principals establishes the foundation for Jesus command in Jn 7:24 and 1 Jn 4:1 and Jesus words of commendation to some in the Church of Ephesus Rev 2:2


2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Now how did they try those who said they were apostles, and found them liars ? They tested it by the Apostles Doctrine or Teachings, the word of Truth Acts 2:42

42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

They found them to be Liars, deceitful workers !

Folks, A True Christian is always Judging doctrine, it is part of the Christian Life. They should be able to discern false doctrine 2 Jn vs 9


9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

This doctrine of Christ is pretty extensive, and it is a Mystery, The Mystery of Christ Col 4:3

Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

Eph 3:4

Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

The Doctrine of Christ is multi faceted, His Deity, His Eternal Mystical Union Union with His Church, His Mediatoral Office, His Suretyship, His Priesthood, His being a prophet, a King, all these Truths of Christ in their distinct characteristics comprise the Doctrine of Christ, and not to forget, His accomplishment for the sins of His Church through His death Eph 5:25-32

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

The True Believer Judges what others say about Christ to determine if they are speaking according to Truth as it is in Christ Eph 4:21

If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

beloved57
December 3rd, 2011, 08:49 PM
Isa 19:25

Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Here Israel is said to be His Inheritance. But lets Look at Eph 1:18

18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ps 135:4

4For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

God calls a People Israel in the OT His Inheritance, and He calls a people in the NT His Inheritance Eph 1:18


No it is not Two different groups of People that are His Inheritance, but Just One, and that is the Household of Faith , His Church, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham, that seed of Abraham Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

beloved57
December 5th, 2011, 07:16 AM
Acts 16:30-32

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Many of them who teach salvation by works use this passage as proof text that believing is a condition man meets to get saved, when this text teaches no such thing, its just careless teaching of this text that comes to that erroneous conclusion !

Paul told the Jailor, who inquired " What must I DO to be saved" Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. BTW, since Paul added "and your house" it is very unlikely that Paul understood the Jailor to be inquiring about anything but soul salvation, and not being saved from roman government reprisal as many have conjectured; and after that it is stated in vs 32 which almost everyone neglects to mention and consider when they run to vs 30-31 for proof text," and they spake unto him the word of the Lord and all in his house" [which is the Gospel]

Now this is a important statement in order to understand vs 31, because how could one believe on the Lord Jesus Christ without knowing some facts about Him ? Is merely believing the historical facts about Christ as Per 1 Cor 15:3-4, is that what believing on or in Christ ? Absolutely not ! So thats why it is important to first preach the word of the Lord to one [as Paul and His associate did] before they can believe on the Lord. No one can just believe on the Lord Jesus Christ unless to them certain facts about Him are made known unto that person !

beloved57
December 5th, 2011, 04:11 PM
No one, including the Jailor can believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and his Gospel unless they have been born again, because the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2:14


14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Gospel is a spiritual message and must be spiritually discerned !

So unless the person is spiritual themselves, the Gospel is foolishness unto him, that foolishness is the greek word mōria and means:


foolishness

The word is used for the preaching of the Cross or the Gospel in 1 Cor 1:18


18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The word can also be rendered nonsense, the Gospel is foolishness or nonsense to the natural man, those who are perishing !

But to us which are being saved, it is the Power of God. The word saved in the greek is present tense passive voice, the subject is being acted upon, he is being saved by the power of God. I believe that was the case with the Jailor.

Now one cannot believe in Jesus Christ without certain facts being made known. First there must be a certain knowledge of Scripture, remember Paul referenced the scriptures when Preaching Christ 1 Cor 15:1-4

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Remember Jesus had to open up the understanding of some about Him, by the Scriptures Lk 24:26-27,45

26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Paul reminded Timothy that it is through Scripture one can be made wise unto salvation by faith in Christ 2 Tim 3:15

15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

So Paul knew that the Jailor first needed to hear the word of the lord, the scriptures before he would believe !

beloved57
December 8th, 2011, 04:39 AM
So the Jailor was not going to just randomly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as Paul commanded him without first Paul preaching Christ to him from the scripture. Notice Paul's method of witness in Thessalonian Acts 17:1-3

1Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:

2And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

3Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Do we believe Paul neglected this method with the Jailor ? Paul used the scriptures to witness of Christ to either jew or gentile ! Does it not say that Paul spake unto him and his house " The word of the Lord" Acts 16:32

32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

The word of the Lord is the Gospel, within it are Truths about Christ to be believed ! For Faith cometh by Hearing the word of the Lord Rom 10:17 !

It does not matter whether the person is jew or gentile that the scripture is used to Preach Christ, for instance the Ethiopian Eunuch who was a non jew, and what did Phillip use with him to Preach Christ ? Acts 8:26-38, and notice vs 35

35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

So to believe on Christ, it must be as a result of a knowledge of scripture, and not merely a natural man's knowledge, but a spiritual knowledge, a spiritual persuasion ! The message of the Gospel must be spiritually discerned to be believed 1 Cor 2:14

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If this Jailor was to receive and believe the Gospel that Paul received and Preached, he would have to be more than a natural man, or the message of the Cross would be foolishness to him 1 Cor 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

One must be in a saved state for the gospel not to be foolishness to them ! The Jailor would have to be in a saved state to believe the word of the Lord , the scriptures ! Are not the scriptures the things of the Spirit of God as stated in 1 Cor 2:14

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Who inspired the scriptures ? 2 Pet 1:20-21

20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

So if a natural man, a man not yet born again of the Spirit can receive a saving knowledge of Christ and faith in Him from the scripture, then they have done something that defies all the truth in the bible, something God says cannot be done !

beloved57
December 8th, 2011, 10:41 PM
There is no believing on Christ without being to know experientially one's sinfulness by the Spirit of God Jn 16:8-9

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;


A Saviour from sin makes those He saves acutely aware of their sinfulness, sensible sinners [Lk 18:13]. To believe on Christ is not just something to do as a hobby or interest, or because it is popular to do !

Scripture says that Christ came to call sinners to repentance Matt 9:13 also see 1 Tim 1:15; Matt 1:21

The Jailor had been wrought upon by the Spirit of God , hence his inquiry " What must i do to be saved"

beloved57
December 9th, 2011, 07:56 AM
Before the Jailor could believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, Paul must explain to him who Jesus Christ is and what exactly did He accomplish and for whom. I once asked a friend of mine did he believe in Jesus Christ, and he answered yes and he stated that he believed that Christ died for sinners. I asked him did he believe that Jesus Christ was God, and he said no, but that he was just the son of God, and that there were other prophets like him who were sons of God. My friend also believes that all religions , muslims and etc are also of God and can lead men and women to God and heaven. So just presenting the historical facts to someone that Jesus Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3-4 and never explaining who Jesus Christ is, what He has accomplished, for whom did He accomplish it and why, that is not preaching the Gospel of Christ !

beloved57
December 11th, 2011, 05:24 AM
Before the Jailor rested or Trusted in Jesus Christ, Paul spoke unto him the word of the lord Acts 16:30-32

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

The word spake here is the greek word laleō which also means preach as in Mark 2:2;Acts 8:25

25And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.

So Paul preached the Gospel to the Jailor, the word of the Lord. Yet this word spake is also used in 1 Cor 2:6-7

6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Paul spake unto the Jailor the Mystery of the Gospel as Eph 6:19-20

19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

20For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. [same word]

So the message that Paul spake to the Jailor was the Mystery of the Gospel, which the natural man cannot receive ! Now Paul would have had to explain spiritual things with spiritual things 1 Cor 2:13


13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

So Paul spake unto the Jailor a Spiritual message, the Gospel Mystery , the word of the Lord. The word of the Lord is not a carnal message ! Now if the Jailor was going to receive and believe this message, he would have to be already spiritual, that is quickened with new spiritual life to receive it, saved !

beloved57
December 11th, 2011, 05:20 PM
There was no believing on Christ for the Jailor until Paul spake until him the Word of the Lord. This meant Paul explained to him exactly what Christ's death accomplished and for whom. Paul told Him how that Christ's Death satisfied the Justice of God, and for Who Rom 8:33-34 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Rom%208.33-34)

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Isa 53:5-12 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Isa%2053.5-12)

5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

This references God's Covenant People Israel, not all people in the world without exception !

Though He would sprinkle many nations Isa 52:13-15 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Isa%2052.13-15)

13Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

14As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

15So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

The sprinkling is not water baptism, but the application or the sprinkling of the blood of Christ unto His Elect 1 pet 1:2

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

For He was not only the propitiation or satisfaction for the sins of jewish elect, but for elect men and women of many nations..

God's Justice has been satisfied by Christ blood for many in all nations of the world.

These things were made plain in order to lead the Jailor into belief on Jesus Christ

beloved57
December 12th, 2011, 11:28 AM
The Jailor could not have believed on Christ without Paul presenting to him the word of the Lord a spiritual message ! Rom 10:13-13

13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Paul was sent to the Jailor by providence !

One of Truths about the Person of Christ is that He is God. The Lord Jesus Christ. One cannot believe on Christ without believing that He is Jehovah God, the Saviour of His People ! Isa 45:21


Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

If you compare Rom 10:13 with Joel 2:32

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

The word LORD here is Yĕhovah , so that is who is in view in Rom 10:13. But how do you call upon the name of Jehovah ? By calling upon the Name of Jesus Christ, who is Jehovah, and there is not other name given under heaven : Acts 4:11-12

11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

That name is Jesus which means Iēsous:

Jesus = "Jehovah is salvation"

The Jailor would believe this about Jesus Christ, that He was Jehovah, as well as He was the Son of God, the Mediator Head of the Church !

beloved57
December 12th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Gal 5:4

4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Either one is Justified by Grace as per Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

or they are Justified by works [something they do], cannot be a middle ground, there is no gray area Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

The bible is quite clear that no man can be Justified in the sight of God, maybe the sight of men, by the works of the Law, which simply covers anything we do that contributes to one being Justified in the sight of God, to include the act or deed of believing that man does. Since this is true, Christ has redeemed His People from the curse of the law, and for those He died, Justification to life is theirs freely by His Grace through the Redemption that is in His Blood Rom 3:24;Eph 1:7;Col 1:14. For He was delivered for their offenses, and raised again for their Justification Rom 4:25, and many for whom this was done for, had not yet been born physically into the world, yes before they were born, Christ blood had set them free from the law and it's curse, and He had become to them, the End of the Law for Righteousness, and to them it would be given to believe on Him. Rom 10:4; Phip 1:29, for one cannot believe something that is not already a established fact !

beloved57
December 12th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Now if Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those believing, that was a fact before it's revealed to them to believe it, for it is not their believing it that makes it a established fact, Christ alone did that work, but faith reveals that established fact [a spiritual reality] to the ones that it is an established fact for. So Faith is [Heb 11:1]. They were Justified in the heavenlies because of grace Titus 3:7, and not by their own works, or anything they did. If we are Justified by Grace, it has to be wholly of Grace [and nothing we do is considered] or it is wholly of our own works [excluding Grace], for it cannot be a mixture of both, God did His part, now I must do mine ! Those of us who think that way, once you bring in the tiniest element of I did this, we have fallen from Grace ! The Teachings of scripture on salvation by grace are designed to dispel the concept of salvation or Justification as being in any wise conditional to include the works of the law, lest we reject Christ as One and Only Savior, and Grace as the Sole saving element for God's Elect among men !

beloved57
December 16th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Jn 1:16,17

And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.



17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John here is talking about all the Church, or all the Covenant People of God, just as the Law came to a Covenant People, likewise grace and Truth comes to a Covenant People.

When Grace is received by those Christ died for as Per Rom 5:17

17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Notice they receive what Paul calls abundance of Grace, and with that abundance also comes faith and Love 1 Tim 1:14

14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus [The Head of the Church] !

Everyone Christ died for is given Faith in Christ and Love to Christ by this abundance of Grace they receive as it is communicated from the Head to His Body. Faith and Love are both Gifts of God's Grace through Jesus Christ. That is why everyone Christ died for shall be saved by Grace through Faith, and that not of themselves it is the Gift of God Eph 2:8

.8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

And so it is written that some believe through Grace Acts 18:27

27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much[B] which had believed through grace:

beloved57
December 17th, 2011, 04:50 AM
But not only does this abundant Grace which all receive that Christ died for Rom 5:17, not only does it begat Faith in Us, but also it begats Love in us for Christ. Remember what Jesus said of the woman who wiped His feet with her hair ? Let's look at that Lk 7:47-48

47Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

48And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

It was written, that God forgives sins that He may be feared Ps 130:4

But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

So it is forgiveness with God that He may be Loved !

It is an fact that the redeemed will Love Christ 1 Pet 1:8

8Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

If you notice , believing and Love are linked together here as it was in 1 Tim 1:14

Hence Faith in Christ and Love to Christ are inseparably linked together, we cannot have one without the other, for they both spring from the same Gift of God's Grace, we believe through Grace, We Love through Grace, these being fruits of His Love to us 1 Jn 4:19

19We love him, because he first loved us.

We did love Him because of our freewill, but because it's an automatic effect and result of Him Loving us, those He died for ! Note: It is impossible for any that Christ died for to not #1 Believe in Him and #2 Love Him also. Let me be clear to those of you who assert that one can believe on Christ before being born again, which simply is not true, the scripture cannot support such an fable, for a man, a natural man cannot Love Christ, in fact by nature he hates Christ ? Do you think Paul could Love and Believe in Christ on his own freewill ? Just take a look at Acts 9:1-2. It was only after a Sovereign encounter with the His risen Saviour , that he received abundant Grace to both believe in Him and Love Him, and so his conversion is an pattern for all who shall believe unto everlasting life 1 Tim 1:14-16

14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

The them is the Church, those He Loved and Gave Himself for Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

beloved57
December 19th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Jn 1:12 and Col 2:6

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

The word received in Jn :12 is the greek word lambanō and the meaning varies, but in this verse it's meaning is plain from the verse itself, and means believing on His Name.

In the Col 2:6 verse the word is paralambanō and means:

to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self

a) an associate, a companion

b) metaph.

1) to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be

2) not to reject, not to withhold obedience

2) to receive something transmitted

a) an office to be discharged

b) to receive with the mind

To receive something transmitted, the word transmitted is defined :

to communicate, as information or news.

The Gospel is the Good News of the Chosen Ones Salvation Eph 1:4,13

And that Good News is communicated to the renewed mind of the born again saint, and in turn Christ, who is the Subject of that Good News is received, we receive Christ by receiving the Gospel. It was written 1 Thess 1:6,2:13

And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.


For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

What received does not mean in the salvation contexts as the ones we just listed, it does not mean Christ was offered to spiritually dead sinners who are given a choice or opportunity to use their so called freewill to either accept Christ and get saved or reject Christ and stay lost, that has been made up by false gospel teachers and followers.

The Lord Jesus Christ is received in that He has been given to them as their Inheritance, their alloted Portion Col 1:12

12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

An Inheritance is Received as Per Num 34:14-15

For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received their inheritance; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance:

The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.

See also Josh 13:8;18:2,7 and the receiving here is not something being offered to them, but given to them by Divine Allotment !

Receiving is also when one of God's Elect [Col 3:12] by God alloted Faith [ 2 Pet 1:1] embraces Christ after He has been revealed, by God the Holy Spirit in them [Gal 1:16], this is an inward subjective revealing, resulting in inward seeing Jn 6:40, and that is biblically how one receives Christ the Lord ! As it is written Jn 3:27

27John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

beloved57
December 21st, 2011, 03:14 AM
Jn 6:44

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

These Two Scriptures alone dismiss the false notion of man's freewill to believe in Christ ! Coming in both of these verses actually means believing in Christ, and Jesus says no man has the ability to do that, but it is something the Father must enable them to do !

Now all things are of the Father in this matter of Salvation, even the Gift of His Son. How does the Father draw a Person to Christ ?

He draws them to Christ by the New Birth. A Person must be born again to believe on Christ, to come to Christ. By nature we will not come Jn 5:40

40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Jn 3:20

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Also He draws them to Christ by giving them the Gift of Faith Phil 1:29

29For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:17-18

17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

It is His Gift that one is brought forth or begat by the word of Truth !

He draws the to Christ by convincing them of sin Jn 16:8-9

the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

This is part of being taught of God Jn 6:44-45

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Ps 94:12

Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;

He draws them by the Effectual workings of His Powerful Grace Eph 3:7

7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

He was made a minister, and in order to that, he had to be made a believer, and all of this by The Effectual Working of His Power, which is a Gift of Grace !

The Gift is not offered, but done, performed unto us ! Phil 1:6

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

beloved57
December 22nd, 2011, 07:50 AM
Jer 31:33

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

God puts His Laws in the hearts of those who were Chosen in Christ before the foundation, because He [Christ their Covenant Head] had God's Law in His Heart Ps 40:6-8

6Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

7Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

8I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Now He having finished the work and having honored God's Law in their behalf, God put's His Law in their hearts, The Seed of Christ.

This is done by New Birth or Regeneration. This is a Covenant Promise for everyone Christ [Their Head] died for, because His blood secures unto them all the Covenant Blessings Matt 26:28

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Heb 13:20-21

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

beloved57
December 26th, 2011, 05:57 AM
Rev 1:5

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

That word first begotten is the greek word prōtotokos and means:


the firstborn

a) of man or beast

b) of Christ, the first born of all creation

It is Two Greek words, #1.

prōtos:


first in time or place

a) in any succession of things or persons

2) first in rank

a) influence, honour

b) chief

c) principal

3) first, at the first

#2. tiktō:


to bring forth, bear, produce (fruit from the seed)

a) of a woman giving birth

b) of the earth bringing forth its fruits

c) metaph. to bear, bring forth

He is the First in a succession to be brought from the dead. This denotes many shall follow to be born out of the dead !

Now this profound truth means many things, but one thing of main and upmost importance that it means and is sorely neglected by false teachers, mainly out of ignorance, is that the resurrection of Christ, out from the dead, ensures and is the pledge of the Spiritual and Physical resurrection for all whom He died and represented, His Church, His Body. Thats why we have not only Rev 1:5 but also Col 1:18

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

His Resurrection ensures their [The Elect brethren] spiritual resurrection from spiritual death 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Because He Lives out from the dead, all for whom He died shall live out from the dead. They are the many that Jesus says Jn 5:25

25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

They will hear because through His resurrection they shall be begotten again, or as Paul puts it in Eph 2:5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

This is the end result of Christ being " The first begotten of the dead"

It is impossible for anyone that Christ died and rose in behalf of, not to be made spiritually alive Eph 2:5 lest God's Purpose Rom 8:29 was a failure !

beloved57
December 31st, 2011, 06:53 PM
Eph 1:6

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved

Who has been made accepted in the Beloved, and When ?

The word accepted being the greek word charitoō:


to make graceful

a) charming, lovely, agreeable

2) to peruse with grace, compass with favour

3) to honour with blessings

It is also translated Lk 1:28

28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

He hath made us Highly Favoured in the Beloved, not because of something we have done, but because of His Grace. This speaks back to vs 4 as having been Chosen in Him before the foundation !

The DRB translation reads:

Unto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son. see 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

The who is Believers in Christ !

Many of the adversaries of the Gospel contend that since Paul is writing Believers, that they were not accepted in the Beloved until after they become believers, but thats a lie; Sure such a comment cannot be made to any save believers, but their believing was not the condition, but the effect. Long before any believer believes, God has made him or her accepted or graced in the Beloved, by Choosing them in Him [Election of Grace] before the foundation of the world. This matter of having been made accepted in the Beloved, by Choosing them in Him , is a matter for the Praise of the Glory of His Grace. This Grace was given Believers, before they became believers, in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9. Paul is merely here rehearsing some of the Gospel Truths, of Preaching the Gospel of God's Grace Acts 20:24

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

beloved57
January 7th, 2012, 08:28 PM
Isa 53:10

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

What is the Pleasure f the Lord ? Well it is the hebrew word chephets and means:


delight, pleasure

a) delight

b) desire, longing

c) the good pleasure

d) that in which one takes delight

The same word is used here Isa 46:10

10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Now is it not the Pleasure of the Lord that all men be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth ? 1 Tim 2:4

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Now lets define the word will here and compare it with the word pleasure. The greek word for will is thelō and means:


to will, have in mind, intend

a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose

b) to desire, to wish

c) to love

1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing

d) to take delight in, have pleasure

Now any honest heart will have to admit that the definitions are pretty much the same ! If one is stronger it would be the greek word which adds " to be resolved or determined, to purpose !

Now it is God's desire, will, pleasure that all be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth !

Now whose responsibility is it to seek and to save that which was Lost ? Lk 19:10

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Now who in their right mind will argue that the ones God wills to be saved in 1 Tim 2:4 are not the ones Christ came to seek and to save in Lk 19:10 ! Now , will the Pleasure of the Lord prosper in His Hand ? Will He seek and save all that was Lost ? If He does not, then the pleasure of the Lord did not prosper in His Hand !

beloved57
January 8th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Who came to do the Fathers Pleasure and save that which which was Lost ? Jn 6:37-40

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Notice vs 39 Jesus says that of all that the Father has given Him, He should loose not one. Now, those the Father gave Him would be the ones the Father would have to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Now, how could these not be the ones Jesus says the Father gave Him to save in Jn 6:39

Folks believe it or not, but Jesus Christ was 100% responsible to His Father to save all men and bring them into the Knowledge of the Truth 1 Tim 2:4. Now the question is, was He successful in accomplishing the Pleasure of the Lord or was He not ? Will there be any that the father will to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth, but did not, but will at last perish ? If so, the Lord Jesus Christ failed His Fathers will, His Pleasure. The Antichrist followers say many shall perish, be lost, whom the Father willed to be saved by Christ. They are preaching a failed Christ. They are teaching that the purpose for which Christ came and died, was not accomplished. They teach that many of the ones the Father wanted Christ to save, and that they come into the knowledge of the Truth, will not be ! They teach that the pleasure of the Lord did not quite prosper in His Hand 100% but it came up short !

beloved57
January 8th, 2012, 06:44 PM
The man of sin religions teach that many whom the Father wanted Christ to save will be Lost. They teach that many will die in their sin who had those same sins Imputed to Christ[ for that-must be the case if He died for them 1 Cor 15:3] will yet be charged against them in the day of Judgment when they shall be cast out into outer darkness for their sins. They teach that even though God's Law and Justice has been fulfilled in Christ on their behalf, that nevertheless God will again visit them for all eternity in His Law and Justice against sin and His broken Law, and they shall be called cursed Matt 25:41. They teach that God has required of them Justice and payment Twice, once at the hands of their Surety Saviour, if he died for them, and now again at their hand.

Now as a witness for Christ, the True Christ, I proclaim, there shall not be one person lost or in hell for whom the Christ I serve died for, because he has satisfied God's Law [actively] and Justice[passively] in their behalf, and God's Righteousness will not allow it. It is nothing short of Blasphemy at the Highest magnitude to teach that Christ died for sinners, who are lost in their sins, making Christ a failure in accomplishing the Father's pleasure !

beloved57
January 16th, 2012, 05:01 PM
John 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Many who have corrupted this verse, the Truth, pretend that this verse teaches Faith or believing is a condition to getting saved !

This scripture is first of all stating a Fact, it is saying those believing on Christ are not condemned, in fact, the believing here gives evidence that they were not in a condemned state but in fact a saved state. These are people who never had their sins laid to their Charge 2 Cor 5:19, and so their believing gives evidence of that. How can anyone be condemned whose sins never were Charged against them by God ? The strength of sin is the Law, not unbelief ! 1 Cor 15:56

56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

If a Person is condemned before God, it is not because of their unbelief, but because of God's Law and Justice has not been satisfied in behalf of them ! If one dies in their sins as per Jesus words here Jn 8:24

24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Notice, Ye shall die in your SINS Plural ! What sins ? All of their violations of God's Law, in thought , word , and deed !

Jesus said that you shall die in your sins If ye believe not that I am He. Why don't they believe ? This is why Jn 10:26

26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

They believe not because they are not His Sheep that He died for Jn 10:11,15. This implies that if They were of His Sheep, they shall hear His voice and believe Jn 10:16 ! And why did they believe ? Because He died for them, and their sins, which violated God's Law were not laid to their Charge, hence they were not condemned, and so those believing are not condemned as stated in Jn 3:18 ! God's Law and Justice has been satisfied[Propitiated] for them by Christ's Work their Shepherd !

beloved57
January 17th, 2012, 12:32 AM
So those believing on Christ gave evidence that they were not condemned ! How could they be, for their sins, the reason for condemnation has been placed upon Christ and not upon them 2 Cor 5:19 !

Now notice, he that believeth not is condemned already ! That means, he was already condemned before his not believing was made evident ! In fact, thats why he did not believe, because he was still under the condemnation of his sins ! You see, If his or her sins were not imputed to Christ's Charge, then they must be charged to them, and God see's them as law breakers, and under condemnation !

Now he that believeth not is condemned Already, Because !

This is the word that gives the false teachers the problem, the word BECAUSE. It is the conjunction hoti:

that, because, since

Now this conjunction can mean one of two things #1 It can mean casual, when denoting something cause and effect or #2 Illative or inference or conclusion because of facts ! " The Tree's flourish because the ground is rich". In this instance, the word because is used as a cause! "We assert that the ground is rich Because, the Tree's Flourish " Here it is not the cause, because the life of the tree does not cause the soils richness, but a conclusion has been reached by stated fact ! One can infer the goodness of the soil from the life of the trees. In other words, the character of the tree or trees , evidences the the goodness of the soil, and so the because in Jn 3:18 should be understood in that sense ! The one bears fruit because the ground was good Matt 13:23

23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

The verse is not stating that the cause of their condemnation was that they did not believe or that one is condemned if they do not accept Christ, but it denotes what is evidential of the unbelievers lost condemned state, for Faith in Christ is the evidential sign of ones calling and election to Salvation, and unbelief is the evidence of one without the benefits of Christ's Death on their behalf, and they are merely evidencing that they are yet still in their sins and under condemnation of the law ! I am much indebted to John Foreman for many of the points being made in this Post !

beloved57
January 17th, 2012, 11:33 AM
In the matters of Salvation and spending Eternity with God through Christ, there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek !

Rom 10:12

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

The word difference here means distinction. There is no distinction between the Jew and the Gentile !

The Jew is no closer to God because of their physical connection with Abraham. However many deluded individuals do think the physical jews has an advantage with God. Scripture is plain that whosoever [meaning jew or non jew] calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved and that God is Rich unto ! Note also, calling upon the name of the Lord is an effect of being enriched by God, and not the result of calling upon the Name of the Lord !

A person is a fool to plead his physical relationship to Abraham as a ethnic jew in the matters of Salvation !

beloved57
January 21st, 2012, 05:46 PM
Good works, which God hath before ordained !

Eph 2:10 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Eph%202.10)

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

When did God purpose or ordain the New Creatures good works that they should walk in ?

Was it before or after they became believers ?

The word ordained here is the greek word proetoimazō:

to prepare before, to make ready beforehand

Its the same word used in Rom 9:23 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Rom%209.23)


23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

When Did God afore prepared these unto Glory ? Was it before they became believers or after they became believers ?

beloved57
January 26th, 2012, 08:42 AM
What is it that Characterizes the True God ? Only those who Truly know the True God can say this Ps 115:3

But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

This Knowledge is Eternal Life Jn 17:3

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

However the god of false religion, the man of sin religions, tells us that their weak god does not do whatsoever he pleases, and millions upon millions he wishes, desires to be saved and to come into the Knowledge of the Truth 1 Tim 2:4, he cannot bring it to past !

But the True God hath done whatsoever He hath pleased. The word pleased here is the hebrew word chaphets and means:


to delight in, take pleasure in, desire, be pleased with

a) (Qal)

1) of men

a) to take pleasure in, delight in

b) to delight, desire, be pleased to do

2) of God

a) to delight in, have pleasure in

b) to be pleased to do

Its translated the word desire 9 times: Here are a few of them:

1 Kgs 9:1

1And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do,

Ps 51:6

6Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Hos 6:6

6For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Now 1 Tim 2:4

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The word will here is the greek word thelō and means:


to will, have in mind, intend

a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose

b) to desire, to wish

c) to love

1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing

d) to take delight in, have pleasure

This word is translated desire 13 times, here are a few of them

Mk 9:35

35And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

Lk 20:46

46Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

Gal 6:13

13For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

Many translations translate 1 Tim 2:4 like this:

NASB who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

DBT who desires that all men should be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

WEB who desires all people to be saved and come to full knowledge of the truth.

Now back to Ps 115:3, the God I know and the One the Psalmist knew " hast done whatsoever He pleased or desired"

The word done is the hebrew word `asah and it means:


to do, fashion, accomplish, make

a) (Qal)

1) to do, work, make, produce

a) to do

b) to work

c) to deal (with)

d) to act, act with effect, effect

The word also means to perform.

In other words, The God of Heaven has performed whatsoever He desires.

Now the problem we run into with this Knowledge of the True God and what He desires in 1 Tim 2:4, is that unless every last person He desires or wants to be saved and to come into the knowledge of the Truth, unless He performs that, effects that, He has come short of being the God described of Ps 115:3

But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

The n He is no longer the True God that Jesus reveals to His people Jn 17:3

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



It means The God of Heaven has effected whatsoever He wants, or Desires.

beloved57
January 28th, 2012, 03:16 PM
A much quoted scripture, but not many understand is Rom 6:23

23For the wages of sin is death; but the Gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Most deceived souls think that this Gift of Eternal Life through Christ is an offer of eternal life with conditions, even though most would agree that death as the wages of sin is not an offer, men receive death through adam without it being offered to them or made available. Just as death is not an offer but that which God Sovereignly imputes, so likewise the Gift of Eternal Life is not a Offer but something God Sovereignly Imputes Because of what Jesus Christ accomplished for all whom He died and redeemed from Death. Just a being born dead in trespasses and sins is the result of Adam's sin for all he represented, so being born again is the result of Christ's Work of the Cross. The Gift of God through Jesus Christ is not a offer, but it is a New Birth, A Spiritual Birth out of Death Eph 2:5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

The New Birth of all Christ died for and rose again merits to them this Gift of New Birth James 1:18

17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

This Good Gift, and Perfect Gift is from above ! Jn 3:3,7

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Now the word again as in born again in vs 3,7 is the greek word anōthen and means:

from above, from a higher place

a) of things which come from heaven or God

2) from the first, from the beginning, from the very first

3) anew, over again

This same word is translated above in James 1:17

17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

So this Good and Perfect Gift from above is to be Born again or to be Born from Above. This begins in time the Gift of Eternal Life through Jesus Christ for everyone He died for ! Adam brought them death, and to be physically born into this world spiritually dead, without spiritual life, But Christ's Death, Burial and Resurrection for all whom He represented brings a Birth from above a Gift ! You see a person has no choice to make on whether or not they will be born, because they did not exist !

The New Birth is the first communication of Eternal Life, which is the Gift of God !

beloved57
January 28th, 2012, 08:05 PM
Just as everyone Adam was a federal Head unto received a communication of death, a sin nature, so likewise, everyone Christ was a Federal Head unto receives a communication of Life, Eternal Life, by His Resurrection from the Dead. 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This being begotten again is not a result of a man exercising Faith, or Believing, but its a direct result of Christ's Resurrection from the Dead. Notice it says, according to His abundant mercy, hath begotten us again ! Thats what James means in James 1:17-18

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Both writer's credit God the Father for the Begatting. Peter says The God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, James says the Father of lights !

Where the Spirit gives Life, that Life is brought Forth by the Word of Truth, the Gospel.

The Spirit Gives Life to all who have Christ's Righteousness imputed to their Charge, all who have Christ's imputed to their charge, are all whom God imputed their sins to His Charge !

They receive the Gift of Righteousness Rom 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ )

All this was to show that the Gift of God [Eternal Life] through Jesus Christ, is not a offer for men to receive or reject, but its a communication of Spiritual Life, a New Birth, thats what the Gift is. Just as the wages of Adam's sin was a communication of death,Christ's Death reversed that for those He died for, that they receive as a Free Gift, a communication of Eternal Life by New Birth !

beloved57
January 30th, 2012, 06:08 PM
Rom 3:21

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Righteousness without the Law is revealed, or a Righteousness without Law, for there is no definite article in the greek here to specify any one and particular law, so what does this mean ? The WNT captures the sense very well it reads:

But now a righteousness coming from God has been brought to light apart from any Law, both Law and Prophets bearing witness to it--

Now many take this to mean the Ten Commandments or the Law of Moses, and it does, but its not exclusive to the Law of Moses. The greek word for Law here is the word nomos and means:

) anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command

a) of any law whatsoever

1) a law or rule producing a state approved of God[Like Faith Heb 11:2]

a) by the observance of which is approved of God

2) a precept or injunction

3) the rule of action prescribed by reason

b) of the Mosaic law, and referring, acc. to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents

c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, esp. the precept concerning love

d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT

As you can see the word has a wide application. So what is meant here ? " A Righteousness given without our Personal Obedience of any kind, without any conditions, no rule of action, no commands to be kept, no injunction or precept. Whats a precept ? Its defined as:


a commandment or direction given as a rule of action or conduct.

2.
an injunction as to moral conduct; maxim.

3.
a procedural directive or rule, as for the performance of some technical operation.

4.
Law .

Now why is this ? Because Christ the God Man Mediator has worked out and earned and established a Righteousness for all whom He Lived and Died, and that Righteousness is Imputed to them. Paul writes Rom 4:6

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Or without conditions to be kept !

This Righteousness is Freely Laid to their Account, Just as Freely as their sins were Laid to His account. This is a very difficult Blessing of Grace for the natural man to receive, however the Gospel reveals to the Heirs of Promise a Righteousness of God freely imputed to them without their personal obedience being a consideration or factor, so it comes to pass by the Sole Obedience of One, many shall be made Righteous Rom 5:19

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Folks if we are Trusting in a Righteousness that we obtained by some kind of personal obedience on our behalf, then we have not the Faith of God's Elect, and are in danger of perishing in our sins lest God grant us Repentance from our Pride and Self Righteousness !

beloved57
January 30th, 2012, 08:37 PM
Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Those who are Truly saved, its not because of anything we have done, no good behavior, no pleasing of God. Paul says it was not because of works of Righteousness which we have done. Now what are works of Righteousness ? Well the Greek word for works here is ergon and means:


business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Notice, a work is a act or action, deed, or a thing that is done by us ! Folks if we are honest that covers a lot of territory, and thats God's Point.

Now lets look at the word Righteousness, it is the greek word dikaiosynē and means:


in a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God

a) the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain a state approved of God

b) integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting

2) in a narrower sense, justice or the virtue which gives each his due

Also:

righteous, observing divine laws

a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

This also covers much territory, Righteousness, means observing Divine Laws, Keeping the Commands of God [Acts 17:30; 1 Jn 3:23] Are not Believing on Christ and or Repentance toward God commands of God ? Are they not righteous acts or deeds performed by the Mind ?

Now many believe they are saved because they have done these things !

The word done is the greek word poieō and means:


to act rightly, do well

Its the same word DO in Acts 16:30

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Now if the Jailor was saved by his act of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, then that's a contradiction to Titus 3:5, because then it must have been that he was saved because of something he did, a good right thing, a correct thing, a work of Righteousness !

The NIV 1984 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

NASB He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Many in apostate religion today believe they are saved because they believed or because they repented, or because they were water baptized, all such people are deceived, and nothing short of a Divine work of Grace can cause them to see and turn from this evil self righteous, Christ Dishonoring way of thinking !

john w
January 30th, 2012, 11:55 PM
2 Tim 3:15-16

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As we read and study the scriptures, God has been pleased at times to give us certain light and understanding on a particular portion of scripture; and as we feel the desire to testify to that Truth, it at times is difficult in placing it in any given Thread. So I would like to introduce a thread that is designed for varied Truth's of scripture, not really given to any certain subject, but yet its Truth the same.

The first scripture passage i will begin with is 2 Tim 1:9-10

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

What death is abolished, and what light and immortality is brought to light via the Gospel ?

Now in a real sense Christ hath abolished even physical death, but that only to be the last enemy to be manifested as destroyed at His Second Coming, when it will be declared 1 Cor 15:54-55,51-52

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

And at His coming, some Saints will have never tasted of physical death, which will indicate the abolishment of death physically vs

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

But yet, even in this present life Christ by His death hath for the elect of God, hath abolished spiritual death, which by nature they are born dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This being dead, is a death that Christ hath abolished. The word abolished is the greek word katargeō and means:


to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative

a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency

b) to deprive of force, influence, power

2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

a) to cease, to pass away, be done away

b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one

c) to terminate all intercourse with one

Yes, for those whom Christ died and abolished death for, He for them causes spiritual death to cease, He puts an end to it, He annuls or abolishes it. Now How does He do that ?

Are you directing this "thread"to the elect, or the "non elect?"

beloved57
January 31st, 2012, 03:31 AM
Are you directing this "thread"to the elect, or the "non elect?"

Both ! So now do you understand what the post you quoted is saying ?

beloved57
January 31st, 2012, 06:25 PM
Believing is an act of man, there simply is no denying it ! Now lets define an Act !

The Dictionary says:

As Noun

anything done, being done, or to be done; deed; performance: a heroic act.

the process of doing

As verb

to do something; exert energy or force; be employed or operative:

to operate or function in a particular way; perform specific duties or functions

to produce an effect; perform a function

to behave or conduct oneself in a particular fashion

Now lets Look at the definition of work of Eph 2:9

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Now, an act is a work, that cannot be denied given these definitions. Believing is something man does. Even Paul's answer to the question of the Jailor proves that. He asked Acts 16:30,31

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Paul replied with an imperative ! vs 31

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

So Now, If anyone teaches or believes that they are saved from their sins because they believed, then they are claiming Salvation by their works, something they acted, they done. Such thinking is opposed to Salvation by Grace through Faith and not of works lest a man has cause to boast..

john w
January 31st, 2012, 06:35 PM
Both ! So now do you understand what the post you quoted is saying?

I know you do not understand.

beloved57
February 1st, 2012, 12:04 AM
Eph 2:10

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The word for workmanship is poiēma and means:


that which has been made

2) a work

a) of the works of God as creator

Its liken unto the works of God in Creation Rom 1:20

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

We who are True Believers are the Workmanship of God, Made or Created in Christ Jesus [ Different from being created in Adam] unto Good Works. Faith and or Believing in Christ is one of the first of good works the New Creation acts out; Faith is of a Holy Production of a Renewed Mind Eph 4:23,24

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;


24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

For Believing is a production of the Mind, which is a work according to the definition of a work in Eph 2:9. Its the greek word ergon:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

So Believing or Faith is a activity, an act, a deed, a thing done by the renewed Mind of a New Creation, for men to take credit for it makes them their own Creators, which is taking the place of God !

beloved57
February 2nd, 2012, 01:40 PM
Faith or believing is an act of man, its our work, Jesus said in Jn 6:28-29

28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Its also a commandment 1 Jn 3:23

23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

So everyone believing that they get saved because they believed on Christ, you believe in Salvation by your works, which is a denial of Salvation by Grace..

beloved57
February 3rd, 2012, 07:53 AM
Rom 5:1

1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

What does it mean here to be Justified by Faith ? To be certain it does not mean what many false teachers say it means or implies, and that is, that one is Justified before God or made Right before God because of their obedience unto faith that they place in Christ. They are erroneously teaching that mans faith or obedience is the CAUSE of ones Justification before God, and supposedly Rom 5:1 states that. However this is error and not the case because Two verses before Paul makes it clear that the Resurrection of Christ gave evidence of the Justification before God, of all those whose sins Christ was delivered to death in behalf of Rom 4:24-25

24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Hence the vicarious death of Jesus Christ has fulfilled and completely satisfied all of God's Law and Justice on behalf of all those He died for and was raised again, so then they are Justified before God because of His Death of bearing their sins Rom 3:24 and Isa 53:11 and so Christ's Resurrection from the Dead proves that God's Law and Justice with all of its Righteous requirements were satisfied by His Life and Death, and all for whom He did this for, or in behalf of, are Justified of God BECAUSE OF HIS DEATH, and so they have been accepted of God, which is also Reconciled Rom 5:10. So the Causative Reason for onus's Justification before God, is not their personal faith or obedience, but the merits of Christ death, having satisfied God's Law and Justice on their behalf. So if this be True, we cannot accept Rom 5:1 to be teaching that one is Justified before God because of their exercising faith or belief in Christ, thats taking away from Christ's death's accomplishment and giving it to man ! That is Blasphemy !

So Faith in Rom 5:1 must be understood in a declarative role, in that it makes known to all those Christ died their Justified state before God, that's why Heb states about Faith Heb 11:1

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

One's Justification before God because of Jesus Christ's vicarious Death for them is a invisible reality, one physically we do not see, but God gives Faith through the New Birth to Spiritually persuade the Mind of it's Reality , hence Rom 5:1 !

beloved57
February 3rd, 2012, 09:34 AM
Rom 4:5

5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Let's look at another scripture that the false teachers like to wrest to their own destruction. This scripture speaks of one's faith being accounted as righteous, but what does that really mean ? Surely Paul is not saying that ones own personal faith is their righteousness or that ones own faith is causative of their righteousness ! You see, Faith is a Grace that receives that Righteousness by which the One's Christ died for are made Righteous; Rom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Paul explains in this passage that by the Gospel a Righteousness of God is revealed or made known to Faith, so if Faith receives the revelation of a Righteousness that is not it's own, but of God, then it cannot be that Righteousness. So Faith in Rom 4:5 must be understood as to its object of Faith as being ones Righteousness, which is Christ 1 Cor 1:30

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

True Believers have been made Righteous or Justified by the Obedience of One, which is Christ, and not by their Faith, Paul teaches that believers had been Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9 and that they had been made Righteous by His Obedience Rom 5:19b, and so not by their own personal believing or Faith, which receives the knowledge of the blessing ! So Faith in Rom 4:5 means Christ Righteousness revealed has been accounted as Righteousness !

beloved57
February 3rd, 2012, 12:46 PM
Justification by Faith is the peaceful knowledge or awareness of our Gracious Justification before God because of Christ's Obedience !

beloved57
February 5th, 2012, 10:01 PM
Gal 2:21

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

If Righteousness comes by the Law, Christ is dead in vain, that is if Righteousness or Justification before God is premised on our personal obedience, then Christ's Death is worthless or in vain.

The word law in this verse in the greek is without the definite article, so its not restricted to any specific law, but the principle of law in general is meant and can be applied, it is the greek word nomos and means:

anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law,

a command

a) of any law whatsoever

a precept or injunction

3) the rule of action prescribed by reason

You see, Believing on Christ is a command or an imperative. Paul told the Jailor in Acts 16:30-31

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The word believe here is in the imperative mood, which mood denotes:

The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding. Thus, Jesus' phrase, "Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mk.1:15) is not at all an "invitation," but an absolute command requiring full obedience on the part of all hearers.

Command means:


to direct with specific authority or prerogative; order: The captain commanded his men to attack.

2.
to require authoritatively; demand: She commanded silence.

3.
to have or exercise authority or control over; be master of; have at one's bidding or disposal: The Pharaoh commanded 10,000 slaves.

So, if one gets saved or becomes Righteous, or is Justified by obedience to any command whatsoever, then Christ death is in vain for them, it is for naught.

Now, it behooves us to understand what Paul and Silas really meant when they gave the imperative Believe in Acts 16:31. Did they make Believing a condition for the Jailor to obey in order to get saved ? If they did, then they were teaching Righteousness by Law ! Yet most in the modern religious world say that is what they taught by that. However they were not teaching that at all, but they were giving instruction to one who gave evidence of being already spiritually saved and being alarmed of his sinful condition, of such it is appropriate to speak to them the word of the Lord, the Gospel of their Salvation, but if we insist that the Jailor was in a unregenerate state at this time, and he was given a command or imperative to believe in order to get saved by that act of obedience of his, then we teach Righteousness by Law, and make Christ's Death of none effect !

beloved57
February 6th, 2012, 11:06 PM
If the act of ones believing on Christ is their actual Justification or Salvation, then we save ourselves, we make ourselves Justified before God by what we do, we become our own saviour !

beloved57
February 10th, 2012, 02:07 AM
Many fail to understand what Paul means here Rom 8:33-34

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Paul is basically saying, none can be condemned for whom Christ DIED. Because thats why He Died, to be condemned for them, for their sins 1 Cor 15:3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Yes, Christ was condemned in the Flesh for the sins of those He died for. The word condemned in Rom 8:34 is the greek word katakrinō and means:


to give judgment against, to judge worthy of punishment

Christ was Judged worthy of punishment for all those He died for.

Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, [B]and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Christ came into the world to be condemned in His Flesh for the sins of those He died for ! Its the same word condemned as used in Rom 8:34, thats why He died, to receive the condemnation of sin for those He died for. He satisfied to the fullest all of God's Law and Justice in their behalf, that the question is in regard to them:

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died !



Christ's Death for them, Gives God no reason to hold them in condemnation. Why ? Was it because they repented ? How about because they believed ? How about because they were water baptized ? No, No and No again, it was simply because " it is Christ who died" He bore their condemnation that they deserved, for He personally did no sin.

But God sent His Son into the world, made of a woman and made under the law Gal 4:4

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Why ? So that He could condemn sin in the flesh, meaning that He would be condemned in His Flesh for all the sins of all those he died for, The Elect or The Church. He died a condemned death as a Surety for His Church, God's Elect.

So in Justice to Christ's work and Death, it is impossible, and it would be unjust, If one person whom Christ died for shall ever come under God's Condemnation !

beloved57
February 11th, 2012, 04:20 PM
For all those He died for, took upon Himself their condemnation for sin, God's violated law, for scripture says that Rom 4:25

25Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.

He was delivered to the sword of Divine Justice, not on account of His Offenses, but on account of the offenses of all for whom He died.

The word delivered is the greek word paradidōmi and means:

to deliver up one to custody, to be judged, condemned, punished, scourged, tormented, put to death

He delivered up to be condemned, to be punished, For all those He died for ! And to show that God the Father accepted His Sacrifice for the sins of all for whom He died, He was raised again on account of their Justification. Folks, if any one person for whom Christ died and was condemned in their stead , if any one of them is ever condemned by God, for any charge, Christ should not have been risen from the dead, because that meant something was not all the way taken care of by Christ being condemned and punished for them. If anyone Christ died for goes to hell, the resurrection of Christ was a farce, and the Gospel is meaningless 1 Cor 15:3-4

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Now if Christ really rose from the dead, then those He died for are really Justified, and God can never world without end lay any charge against them. If we fail to preach as Paul preached in Rom 4:25, that Christ's Resurrection declares all for who's offenses were laid to His Charge, and was condemned for, and that they are Justified before God, then they fail to Preach the Gospel of God, which makes the Gospel they preach a False Gospel.

beloved57
February 11th, 2012, 08:15 PM
The Elect sinners, who are born dead in sin, because of Christ's Righteousness imputed to them even while being dead in sin, yes even while unbelievers, will receive quickening or spiritual life or made alive by Christ through His Spirit, so Paul writes Eph 2:5

5Even when we [ The Chosen of Eph 1:4] were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved ) ; So their being made alive is the effect of Christ's Justifying Blood, so Paul writes in Rom 5:18b

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Note: The quickening of Eph 2:5 is the result of the free gift of Rom 5:18

Life, Spiritual Life is the objective of God for Justification, Justification is of Life.

Justification of life is in the genitive case telling us what kind of Justification is being pointed out, its Life. Its the Life Jesus said He would give to His Sheep Jn 10:10

I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Justification is unto Life for all whom Christ died for. All for whom God Justifies for Christ's sake, do meet all of God's Righteous standards of a fulfilled Law, so He must be Just in now communicating to them Spiritual Life, for this is the only Just thing for God to do unto them because of what Christ has done for them, by honoring His Law. This impartation of spiritual life, now gives us a Holy Spiritual inward disposition, which we had not being dead in sin [Eph 2:5] If Christ be our Righteousness by Imputation, then He shall also be our Sanctification by Regeneration 1 Cor 1:30

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

beloved57
February 12th, 2012, 05:16 PM
Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This scripture is not teaching that the lack of believing or lack of faith is the cause of these condemnation,no not at all, but that the Law of God condemns them, they are still under it as a covenant of works, you see, Christ on their behalf, has not fulfilled the law [Rom 10:4], nor has He appeased God's Wrath on their behalf [Jn 3:36] and has not reconciled them to God by His Death Rom 5:10

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So they were already condemned before the manifestation of their unbelief ! Their unbelief merely proves that they are still condemned for their sins.

beloved57
February 13th, 2012, 06:23 AM
Gal 4:5

To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

All for whom Christ died are the adopted Children of God Jn 11:51-52

51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

They are the Adopted Children of God before they believed, for Christ only died for the Children of God, those He so Loved Jn 3:16; 1 Jn 3:1; and it is BECAUSE they were the Children of God, and that Christ died for them, that God sends the Spirit of His Son into their hearts Gal 4:6

6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

And since ye are Sons, God hath sent the Spirit into your hearts ! This clearly implies they were Sons before they received of the Spirit of Christ !! Thats regeneration or new birth, so New Birth does not cause those Christ died for to become the adopted Children of God for the first time, but because they already were, God gives them a New Birth to make it evident.

When did those that Christ died for become the Adopted Children of God ? Its when God chose them for Himself in His Son before the world began.

The word adopt or adoption in the greek is huiothesia:


adoption, adoption as sons

a) that relationship which God was pleased to establish between himself and the Israelites in preference to all other nations

b) the nature and condition of the true disciples in Christ, who by receiving the Spirit of God into their souls become sons of God

c) the blessed state looked for in the future life after the visible return of Christ from heaven

Its made up of Two greek words, the first is huios and means Son. The second word is tithemi :

to set, put, place

to make (or set) for one's self or for one's use

So it means to set or place as a Son for oneself

The English word for adopt is: to choose or take as one's own; make one's own by selection or assent: to adopt a nickname.

Notice, make ones own by selection:

an act or instance of selecting or the state of being selected; choice.

This is God's act of Election or choosing for Himself those He chose in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This word chosen is: to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self

The word chosen in the greek is in the middle voice, meaning God chose them for Himself, thats Adoption !

Also the word adoption has the denotation of acceptance, and so Eph 1:6

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

This being accepted in the beloved looks back to what had been previously been stated in verses 3-5

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

So the Adoption took Place before the world began, in Christ, so they were The Adopted Chosen People of God before they believed, and while they were unregenerate !

beloved57
February 13th, 2012, 01:37 PM
Eph 4:8

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

It is not the receiving of a Gift that makes a Gift belong to one, but its the act of the giver that does that !

The Holy Spirit, which is a Gift, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, were not offered to men, but Sovereignly Given according to the Will of God..

beloved57
February 16th, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jn 6:37

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

The word come in this context denotes a act of obedience, a positive hearkening to a imperative. It's like when Jesus told Lazarus to come forth Jn 11:43-44

43And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

44And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Another example Zacchaeus Lk 19:5

5And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

Zach obeyed because Lk 19:9-10

9And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Jesus gave the imperative here Matt 11:28

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Such coming is obedience, obedience of faith ! Rom 16:26

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Unto them it is the Day of Christ's Power, and they are being made willing or obedient Ps 110:3

3Thy people [Those given to him by the Father] shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

They will obey or come willingly, of a willing mind !

So the coming denotes the active working of power causing obedience, but willing obedience. So coming equals obedience of Faith. So Jesus says, All that the Father giveth me, shall obey me and come at my Call ! Matt 11:28

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Note about an imperative :

The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding. Thus, Jesus' phrase, "Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mk.1:15) is not at all an "invitation," but an absolute command requiring full obedience on the part of all hearers.

beloved57
February 19th, 2012, 07:54 PM
The Bible never teaches us that Repentance and Faith are duties or commands unto the Lost, the Unsaved, the unregenerate, for that position has only been assumed without scriptural warrant. When I say Repentance and Faith, I mean as it is here Acts 20:21

21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Faith in Christ belongs to the New Creature 2 Cor 5:17, by which He is it's Author Heb 12:2

2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

That word author also means that He is the Source of Our Faith.

He is the causer of Our Faith ! If we study the word Author we find out its rich meaning, it is the greek word archēgos :


the chief leader, prince

a) of Christ

2) one that takes the lead in any thing and thus affords an example, a predecessor in a matter, pioneer

3) the author

Now this word is made up of Two root words archē and ago

The word arche means:

beginning, origin

2) the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader

3) that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause

4) the extremity of a thing

a) of the corners of a sail

5) the first place, principality, rule, magistracy

a) of angels and demons


It means to be the active cause, so Jesus Christ is the Active Cause of Our Faith.

Its a blessing of His resurrection 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

That Hope is also Our Faith ! In fact it is translated Faith in Heb 10:23

Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised )

So it is to those who have been begotten again unto a Lively Hope, by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead, that are exhorted to Repent and Believe the Gospel after Christ's Righteousness that is imputed to them, is revealed to them through the Gospel !

beloved57
February 21st, 2012, 09:29 AM
Something to be aware of ! Did you know that one can be prideful in what supposes to be their humility ? This is True when we confess our sinfulness, and ask God for mercy, and when we think because we have done those things, God is now obligated to give us Salvation or Eternal Life, premised on our acts of confession and need of mercy. Many in Apostate Religion trust in that doing such things, it caused God to save them, Folks that is works Salvation !

Now when I read the story of the Publican in Lk 18:9-14 it does not appear to me, that when the Publican left off from praying for Mercy, that he felt now that God must be merciful to him because of his actions, but it does seem that he resigned the matter to be determined as God would be pleased ! He did not seem as though that he just met a condition, and now God is obligated to have Mercy upon him: But how so different it is with todays religionist, who believe that because of their ACTS of confession, repentance, and so forth, they have done what is necessary to receive Everlasting Life !

Beware of this kind of thinking ! For scripture says:

Rom 9:15-15

I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

beloved57
March 1st, 2012, 05:27 AM
Does Jesus contradict Paul ? Paul writes in Rom 1:21 of the natural man:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

The word knew here is the greek word ginōskō and means:


to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel

a) to become known

2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of

a) to understand

b) to know

3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman

4) to become acquainted with, to know


Now Jesus says of the pagan jews and gentiles this Jn 17:25

25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

The world hath not known thee ! It is the same greek word for know as in Rom 1:21, so what means of this apparent contradiction ?

There is none at all, for you see, by nature all men know by some degree that their is a God, a power greater than themselves, but with that knowledge, it never leads them into the proper worship of God, which is in Spirit and Truth and through the God Man Mediator the Lord Jesus Christ. You see, the way to the True Living God has always been through the mediation of Christ Jn 14:6,7

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

The same greek word is used for know as above !

The natural man has just enough of a notional knowledge of God as to make them without excuse for their not glorifying Him as God, but become vain in their imagination !

So Jesus says that the natural man has known God, speaking of jews and gentiles, for remember, He is mainly speaking of jews whom He Lived among during the course of His Ministry and they had been given custody of all things that led to the True Worship of God, moreso than the gentiles , and they are guilty of not knowing God !

Folks by nature men do not know God by His Spirit, nor through Jesus Christ, of which Jesus Christ means in Jn 17:25, which truth especially pertained to the jews of which He ministered upon , but it was not by any means restricted to them !

By nature, even the jews, men are blind and in spiritual darkness Jn 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

This darkness here that men loved, is more than anything else, they love false religion, idolatry

Only Divine Intervention by Grace can change that Jn 3:20

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

So NO, there is No contradiction !

beloved57
March 2nd, 2012, 03:24 PM
1 Cor 1:29-30

29That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

But of God, are those of us who are in Christ Jesus 2 Tim 1:9;Rom 8:1] that we are in Christ Jesus, not because of the something we did, for that gives occasion for flesh to glory in His Presence.

And God has made Him [Christ] to be unto us Righteousness and Sanctification.

He made us the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21, this is Imputed Righteousness as Per Rom 4:6

6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

And Sanctification ! That is Imputed Righteousness ensures Imparted Righteousness, which is Our Experiential Sanctification 2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Thats Imparted Righteousness, that is God the Holy Spirit beginning a work in us Phil 1:6

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

This is Sanctification of the Spirit or the New Birth, or New Creation, and then in this New Creation we believe in Christ ! Its the New Man that Believes in Christ, not the Old man ! Col 3:10

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Jn Gill says :


which is renewed in knowledge;
this man, or principle of grace in the soul, is a new one, which never was there before; and there is a daily renovation of it in the spirit of the mind, by the Spirit of God; for as the outward man decays, the inward man, which is the same with this new man, is renewed day by day, increases in holiness and righteousness, grows in grace, and particularly in "knowledge"; light and knowledge of a man's self, of his lost state and condition by nature, of his need of Christ, and of his salvation, is what appears at the first formation of this new man; and the daily renovation of him lies in an increase of spiritual, experimental, and saving knowledge of God, and Christ, and divine things; and indeed, until a man becomes a new creature, he neither knows, nor is he capable of knowing, the things of the Spirit of God; so that this new man, or principle of grace, begins with spiritual knowledge, and is formed in order to it, and its increase lies in it:

You see, it is not until one is given to be a New Man, that he understands his lost state [By Nature] and need of Christ and His Salvation. It is only then, that Christ becomes a suitable Saviour.

So God hath also made him to be unto us Wisdom !

The arminan and freewiller believe it was their wisdom, their prudent behavior, their taking advantage of an opportunity to get saved. They are opportunist :

the policy or practice, as in politics, business, or one's personal affairs, of adapting actions, decisions, etc., to expediency or effectiveness regardless of the sacrifice of ethical principles.

Not that they deliberately regard it as unethical, but that they as:

A chance for progress or advancement. They contribute salvation to their accomplishment of taking advantage of a opportunity presented to them, when others with the same opportunity failed to do so, so it is their own fault ! Thats boasting in the flesh ! But those of us who are saved, and have embraced Christ, we know our Believing was a Result of the Grace of God, The Holy Spirit revealing Christ to us, making us see our Need of Him !

beloved57
March 4th, 2012, 05:47 PM
I have heard it being said that Election is not Salvation but unto Salvation. That is True if we are speaking of conversion or experiential salvation, our personal experience of it, but it is not altogether true, because conversion or experiential salvation depends upon already being saved by the Eternal Purpose of God, even before the world began. This means one is saved, sins forgiven, no condemnation, before they become actual sinners, in Adam and in themselves, by the purpose of God 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

God has saved us according to His Own Purpose and Grace which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. This is God's own Purpose of Election, the Election of Grace Rom 9:11

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Rom 11:5

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Folks, by this Divine Purpose alone, the Purpose of Election, every elect individual is Saved from the penalty of sin, even before they sin !

Now that is being saved by Election by Divine Purpose.

Also along with that Divine Purpose, The Elect are saved legally before the foundation of the world, and in time by the Cross of Christ. You see, legally before the foundation of the World, Christ according to the engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, was made a legal Surety for all those He was to die for in time, at the Cross ! It was before the foundation of the world that Christ became covenentally obligated for the sins of the elect they would commit in time in Adam and in themselves. The Cross was the Legal basis for the Surety obligation before the world began, and so it is written that He was ordained before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

And thats why His Blood is called the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Its an Everlasting Covenant because it originated from Everlasting, it is the Eternal Purpose Paul writes of Eph 3:11 and the Promises of it were then made Titus 1:2

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Ps 89:3-4,29,36

3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,

4Thy seed will I establish for ever[Eternal Life], and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.

29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

The Elect of God, the Seed of Christ, the Antitypical David, have always been sure of Eternal Life based upon the Everlasting Covenant !

beloved57
March 4th, 2012, 06:36 PM
So the Elect are saved Eternally by the Divine Purpose 2 Tim 1:9, and they are saved Legally by the Everlasting Covenant, Christ having been set up for them as an Surety, and Legally by the Cross as an event that happened in time, and all of this before they have Faith, and even before they are born sinners, and enemies of God !

Now Lastly, they are saved experientially by New Birth and by Faith, believing of the Truth. Thats what Paul means by 2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Thats Salvation by Grace through Faith [ The belief of the Truth]. That is experimental salvation or conversion, this aspect of salvation, yes faith or belief of the Truth is indispensable !

The word belief here is the greek word pistis and is translated faith 239 times :


conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it

a) relating to God

1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ

In this respect Faith is necessary for Salvation, belief in the Truth ! Now Election is unto Salvation in this respect !

This aspect of Salvation is an Applicatory Work of the Spirit of God, and Faith is His producing in one, His Fruit, God said Hosea 14:8

Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.

by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit, they are also born again by Him.

However, there was never a time in the history of any sinner that Christ contracted to die for, they were not forgiven of their sins, reconciled to God, and Justified in His sight, based solely on the Covenant engagements of their Head, Surety and Mediator, the Lord Jesus Christ. So yes it is a time in their salvation History that Faith is Essential to be saved [ experientially and consciously. But if you or i teach that Faith is Essential as a condition to get saved,we are liars and preach a False Gospel, simple as that !

beloved57
March 15th, 2012, 07:53 AM
Rom 9:20-24

20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

They were vessels of mercy in that as they were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 also Loved in Him Jn 17:23, yet it was the Father's good pleasure that they partake of of flesh and blood Heb 2:14, and so He created them in their natural head Adam, which was also added to him [Adam] the vessels of wrath, however they are distinguished by God, in God's Eternal Purpose of Election, having been Chosen afore in Christ, and having been chosen to salvation 2 Thess 2:13 and had been predestinated unto the adoption of Children by Jesus Christ Eph 1:5. They had been given to the Lord Christ as His Portion, as it is written Deut 32:9

For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

And no this does not refer to the ethnic jews, but to the Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

His Inheritance Eph 1:18

18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The same Inheritance as Deut 32:9

For God does not have Two different people's as His Inheritance, Just one.

Mic 7:18

Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

They are the Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23 !

beloved57
March 18th, 2012, 09:20 PM
1 Tim 2:12-14

12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Rom 5:14

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Gen 5:1-2

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
In actuality, it was by Eve's Transgression that sinned entered into the world, however Adam was accountable for Her Act, so it was Adam's Transgression 1 Tim 2:14.

Eve did receive the Law first while she was yet in him, His Rib Gen 2:15-17

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man[Eve was in Adam], saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now the second Eve ate of that fruit, she died and Adam died and the elect in Him Died. I believe Adam's death to God was evidenced by His prompt willingness to disobey God personally himself at the hand of his wife, for it reads Gen 3:6

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Adam had no power or will to resist that act and his own personal disobedience, for that was the power of the flesh and sin in death !

beloved57
March 19th, 2012, 11:42 AM
The scriptures teach that the believer is a compound being, for He is a Being born out of the flesh, that is a corruptible seed Jn 3:6

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Pet 1:23

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

By Nature we are flesh out of adam that corruptible seed we were in by Creation ! And then there is another Man the True believer is, this Man being born out of the Incorruptible Seed 1 Pet 1:23, being that which is of the Spirit Jn 3:6.

2 Cor 4:16 in this scripture the believer is composed of the outer man and a inward man [ A Spiritual Jew Rom 2:29]

This man is also referenced by Paul here Rom 7:22

22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

That Inward Man Paul says Eph 4:24

24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

This man was born of that Incorruptible Seed, and Cannot Sin 1 Jn 3:9

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Folks, this only pertains to the New Man, which after God is Created in Righteousness and True Holiness. True Holiness cannot sin, Period !

But we must not forget, that Same Believer is also another man, that man born out of the corruptible seed, the Flesh, that cannot cease from sinning, thats Why John says 1 Jn 1:8

8 If we say that[B] we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The New Man that cannot sin, which is born of God, is housed in that outward Man, that born out of flesh and corruptible seed, God has ordained their pilgrimage here together, in fact, thats how the elder serves the younger. The elect begin this journey in the elder, by being first born in time in the flesh, but later they are born again out of the Spirit, the Younger, and hence until the day of redemption, the elder shall serve the younger accomplishing the good and perfect will of God !

beloved57
March 20th, 2012, 10:49 AM
Did you know that its Two things that Jesus Christ and The Devil have in common ? Yes, Both of them are Fathers by Divine Purpose and Both have seed by Divine Purpose !

God speaking to satan, who was in the serpent says this Gen 3:14-15

14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Now if we believe scripture, if we believe God, the serpent has a seed !

Now the prophet Isaiah speaking of Jesus Christ writes of Him Isa 53:10

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Now scripture indicates that Jesus is a Father Isa 9:6

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Now this Fatherhood belongs to Christ only in the redemptive sense, He is not God the Father, who is both Our God and Father !

The word Father here in Isa 9:6 is the hebrew word 'ab:


father of an individual

2) of God as father of his people

3) head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan

4) ancestor

a) grandfather, forefathers -- of person

b) of people

5) originator or patron of a class, profession, or art

6) of producer, generator (fig.)

7) of benevolence and protection (fig.)

8) term of respect and honour

9) ruler or chief (spec.)

Christ is the generator of His Seed 1 Pet 1:3,23

Now, scripture says that the Devil, satan, the serpent is a father, Jesus who also is God in the flesh says this Jn 8:44

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The word father here is the greek word patēr and means:

generator or male ancestor

a) either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents

b) a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David

1) fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation

c) one advanced in years, a senior

2) metaph.

a) the originator and transmitter of anything

1) the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself

2) one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds

b) one who stands in a father's place and looks after another in a paternal way

c) a title of honour


Satan's Fatherhood is for the fact that by causing Adam to sin, Adam now becomes the means of conveyance of the serpents seed into the world.

So now both the Elect and Non elect, the reprobates are born with the nature of satans offspring, and the elect are by nature children of wrath as others, others being the reprobate, the seed of the serpent .

So Christ is a Father and has a seed and satan is a father and has a seed.

And many times they are hard to tell apart from outward appearance and so Jesus says this Matt 13:27-30

27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The enemy that done this was The Devil through the Serpent back in Gen 3, causing the Fall of Adam and Eve !

beloved57
March 20th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Ye are of your father the devil; Speaking of Christ, He shall be called the Everlasting Father. The reason for these Two separate Beings being called a Father is because each as Spiritual Beings were made Heads of families or offspring, for example, Christ's offspring is spoken of here Isa 53:10

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

The devil or Satan's offspring is mentioned here Gen 3:15

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Satan's offspring had their origin in him, and Christ's offspring had their origin in Him. Each Head or Father had a God ordained purpose and end with their members. Folks that is why Jesus called him a Father Jn 8:44, because he knew that Satan had been given a seed. How did Christ Know this ? Because Christ created Satan and his seed Col 1:15-16

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Eph 6:12

12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Christ created these evil principalities and powers !

God purposed to populate the world with Satan's seed by ordaining the fall or sin of adam through eve, hence that done, the serpent uses the fallen nature of the elects first natural parents, to bring his seed in the world through normal sexual relations of man and woman. Because of sin and transgression God added another conception to the woman [Gen 3:16] for they would now parent more than the seed of the Godly [Mal 2:15], for if Adam and Eve would not have sinned, then only the Elect would come from their Union, however that was not God's purpose !

beloved57
March 22nd, 2012, 08:10 AM
The Seed of the Woman in Gen 3:15 is Christ, and this is not a literal seed for her but a mystical one , or in figurative expression as with also the seed of the serpent. The term denotes offspring. These seeds here are spiritual and not natural seeds. Now since Christ is One with His Members, The Seed of the Woman would include the Church Rev 12:17

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. That would be The Church 1 Jn 5:2-3

2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

And as Christ and His Seed or Offspring are One, so likewise the devil or the serpent and his Offspring are One !

Consequently when Jesus says that the everlasting fires were prepared for the devil and his angels Matt 25:41

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

That means the devil and his seed which are all one !

In like Manner, when Jesus said that His Kingdom appointed to Him by the Father Lk 22:29

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

It was prepared for them before the foundation Matt 25:34

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Each Head, Christ and the serpent had something specifically prepared for them and their offspring by God from the foundation !

beloved57
March 28th, 2012, 07:51 AM
Matt 28:18-20

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

When Jesus gave this task to His disciples, to teach , to instruct, to disciple, this presupposes that they would be in a spiritual condition to receive their spiritual instruction, so those who were spiritually dead in trespasses and sins could not be the intended ones that they were sent to disciple. It was only those that had been quickened, made alive that would be taught by them the Gospel of Christ. That word Teach in vs 20 is the greek word didaskō and is the word Paul uses to say that He was Taught the Gospel by revelation of Jesus Christ Gal 1:11-12

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:20-21

20But ye have not so learned Christ;

21If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

So the Great Commission was Jesus sending His Ministers to deliver the goods, the Good News to all whom He would give New Birth by His Resurrection 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

So, all such would be receptive to their teaching, instruction, and discipling !

beloved57
March 30th, 2012, 07:40 AM
John 1:29

29The next day John saw Jesus coming unto him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world!

The Lamb of God, that was taking away the sin of the world during John's Ministry, but now hath finished it as Per Dan 9:24

24"Seventy weeks are determined concerning thy people and concerning thy holy city to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.

Jn 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, "It is finished." And He bowed His head and gave up the ghost.

Now the strength of sin is the Law, so Christ, by giving Himself as an sin offering to satisfy God's law and Justice in behalf of God's People, hence He takes away the sin of the World, so for that world the Lamb of God died for, which was the World that had their Names written in the Book of Life Rev 13:8

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

For that world, God cannot find not one Transgression against His Law to lay to their Charge, simply because Christ hath did away with all Transgressions for them against God's law, John the Baptist understood this !

beloved57
March 30th, 2012, 09:03 AM
In the original the phrase 'Taketh away the sin of the world " is in the present tense, because at the time The lamb was presently performing His Obedience unto Death, that would culminate in, finishing transgression, and making an end to sin, and would finally lead up to the Blessed Words " It is finished" . The sins [law breaking] of God's Elect World, throughout all time, in every generation, and out of every kindred had been imputed to Him, laid to His Charge, and He hath effectually taken them away ! Now everyone in this world, the one in 2 Cor 5:19; Jn 3:16; 1 Jn 2:2;4:9-10 means the world of God's Elect, everyone in this world has been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, Justified and Saved or are being saved. In fact, whenever the word world is used in connection with Salvation terminology, it is always to be understood of God's Elect, the Sheep,or the Church, or even the Israel of God. God has repeatedly throughout scripture indicated that He does not Love all men Ps 5:5;11:7;Rom 9:11-18 and that He has no redeeming purpose for all men Rom 9:22

22What if God, choosing to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction;

2 Pet 2:12

12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their own corruption,

Jude 1:4

4For there are certain men who have crept in unawares, who were foreordained of old for this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matt 23:15

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

beloved57
March 31st, 2012, 05:41 PM
Rom 4:3,5

3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Now Abraham's Righteousness, like any other of God's People, lies in Christ alone 1 Cor 1:30

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Jer 23:6

In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

And not in His Faith- For Faith embraces[in the mind] the imputed Righteousness of Christ, so it cannot be that Righteousness; Now with that in mind, it never was Abraham's act of Faith or Believing that caused God to Justify him, but it was that Christ's Righteousness had been imputed to his account, so that he believed on Him that Justifies the ungodly. Yes Abraham was Justified by Faith Rom 5:1, and so are his Spiritual Seed Gal 3:7, but not by Faith as an act of the sinner,lest then it becomes Justification by works or acts, but they were Justified by Faith subjectively, when Christ Righteousness is revealed or made known to us in the Gospel as per Rom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The Righteousness of God here is the same as here 2 Cor 5:21

21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Gospel reveals or makes known to everyone Christ was made to be sin for, the Righteousness of God, they were made in Him !

This Righteousness must be made known, we do not act it out, for again, that is works ! Abraham as well as His Spiritual Children have Christ as their Righteousness, not their act of Faith which embraces it !

beloved57
April 3rd, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Jesus told His disciples, judas not being there at the time, who was of the devil Jn 6:70, that without Me you can do nothing ! You see, Christ is the Head of the Body, the Church Col 1:18a

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Yes, even when a member of Christ's Church or Body is yet dead in sin, unregenerate, they are still a member of His Body the Church. It is up to Him as the Head to give that Dead member of His Body Life, that is Spiritual Life ! The Head is where the Body has all of it's senses, it's feeling, seeing, hearing, tasting, and smelling. You cut the Head off a person and they can do nothing, none of the said functions of the Body. So separated from it's Head, no member of the Body of Christ can see as per Jn 6:40 neither can they hear Rom 10:17, So without this connection in the Head, no member of His Body can hear or can understand. Jesus says it is the Father's will that everyone Seeing the Son and believing in Him, should have Eternal Life; But how can one see or behold attentively the Son apart from The Head ? The Head gives the body the ability to see, so without Union or abiding in Christ, the Body can do nothing !

beloved57
April 5th, 2012, 08:00 AM
Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The scripture speaks of baptism for the remission of sin here ! This however means that by this ordinance, to those Peter was then speaking, one is being led [spiritually instructed] to or publicly Identifying with, the sufferings and death of Him, represented in the ordinance, and for whom Names sake Repentance and Remission of sins has been granted or given Lk 24:47; Acts 5:31; Matt 26:28

47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 5:31

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Whose Blood was shed for it to be given to those He shed His Blood in behalf of Matt 26:28

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

It never means that one must be water baptized in order for God to forgive you for your sins, that would be obtaining remission of sins by something man does, which is works ! The word for in Acts 2:38 is a preposition eis, and strongs says this:


"For" (as used in Acts 2:38 "for the forgiveness...") could have two meanings. If you saw a poster saying "Jesse James wanted for robbery", "for" could mean Jesse is wanted so he can commit a robbery, or is wanted because he has committed a robbery. The later sense is the correct one. So too in this passage, the word "for" signifies an action in the past. Otherwise, it would violate the entire tenor of the NT teaching on salvation by grace and not by works.

So Peter would be instructing these inquiring, that because of remission of sins, you now make a public confession by submitting to water baptism as an evidence of your new found faith in Christ, the one you were responsible for putting to death !

This comment is correct and should be heeded unless we believe a Lie !

beloved57
April 6th, 2012, 10:25 PM
Paul when writing to the Saints of God, reminded them of God's Grace towards them Eph 2:3

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

By Nature they were Children of wrath, just like other people. The Elect, though not the Children of the devil themselves, do partake of the same nature that they children of the devil partake of, for natural birth gives each human being the devils nature, which became through sin in the beginning. All men are born with a nature controlled by Satan's power or spirit Eph 2:2

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

All men, both Elect and Reprobate or Non Elect are born as David described here Ps 51:5

5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

That is the way the serpent's seed must be shapen through natural Birth, and The Elect as Well ! The Only thing that differentiates The Elect from the Serpent's Seed, is that because of Christ's Resurrection, the Elect will be Born Again , and given a Nature that Identifies them as a Child of God 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The NIV Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The children of the devil will never receive this New Birth by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead because they were not His Seed, but the seed of the devil Gen 3:14-15, but because of sin, and to further God's Redemptive Purpose, the Children of God by sin had to be born with the same corrupt and fallen nature as the Children of the devil are, and so by Nature, they are children of wrath as others, the others being the children of the devil !

beloved57
April 7th, 2012, 06:04 PM
Rom 7:4

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Paul is speaking to believers, and what he writes to them, is that they have become dead to the Law ! But how ? By the Body of Christ, which means by His Death !

Every sinner that Christ died for is born into this world dead to the law, meaning God's Law and Justice on their behalf has been honored completely, it cannot bring one charge against them, that God can accuse them of and hold them liable, no not one! Thats what Paul means in fact when He wrote Rom 8:33-34

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

One does not have to be a believer to be of God's Elect, that Christ died for. The Elect are Elect way before they believe, Just as they are Sheep before they believe, and so it is, if Christ died for them, and satisfied law and Justice of Broken Law, on their behalf, then when they are born into the world sinners, God has nothing to charge them with, for Christ has already died for them !

Now, they, the Elect, are born into this blessed state [Justified before God by the Blood of Christ], so that they should live unto God or be married to another, that is for Him that died and rose again 2 Cor 5:15

15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Christ's Death alone also sanctified them so that they should Live unto God Heb 10:10

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Thats what Rom 7:4 means, the Elect are dead to the Law by the offering of the body of Christ !

Now it is in light of this, that each sinner Christ died for, and has satisfied God's law and Justice for, it is imperative for them, each one of them to be born again, so that they can live unto God, and fulfill the purpose for which they were sanctified by the offering of the Body of Christ. Christ's Death did not set the elect apart for no purpose, but it was in pursuit of good works [spiritual] purposed beforehand, that they should walk unto Eph 2:10

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I already know the natural mind cannot receive this Teaching of scripture, that all for whom Christ died, even though they are born into this world children of wrath [by nature] as others, that nevertheless, not one charge can be laid upon them[Legally] to accuse them of breaking God's Law, and that they are Justified and declared Righteous already in God's sight, for Christ's Sake !

beloved57
April 9th, 2012, 07:48 PM
Rom 7:25

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The word mind here is the greek word nous and means:

the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining

a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding

b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil

The word serve is the greek word douleuō and means:


to be a slave, serve, do service

a) of a nation in subjection to other nations

2) metaph. to obey, submit to

a) in a good sense, to yield obedience

b) in a bad sense, of those who become slaves to some base power, to yield to, give one's self up to

Now what kind of Mind could serve, obey, or submit to the Law of God ? Well it certainly cannot be the Mind of the Flesh as here Rom 8:7-8

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Now it cannot be made more plainer that the carnal mind cannot serve the Law of God.

What is carnal ? Well it is the greek word sarx and means:

born of natural generation: That means being born naturally, by our Mother, and thats it. Never having been Born Again, but as Jesus says by the flesh or that which is flesh is flesh Jn 3:6

So, it can be derived so far from scripture, that the mind of a man or woman who has never been born again cannot by any means obey or serve God's Law.

Now lets determine what Law means in Rom 7:25 and Rom 8:7

In both scriptures its the greek word nomos and means:

) anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command

a) of any law whatsoever

1) a law or rule producing a state approved of God

a) by the observance of which is approved of God

2) a precept or injunction

3) the rule of action prescribed by reason

b) of the Mosaic law, and referring, acc. to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents

c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, esp. the precept concerning love

d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT

The word Law here in both places is not restricted to the Law of moses or the Ten Commandments, but to any command of God whatsoever.

To Believe on Christ is a command, Thats seen in Acts 16:31

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The word believe here is the greek word pisteuō, a verb that means:


to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in

a) of the thing believed

1) to credit, have confidence

b) in a moral or religious reference

1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul

2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity

a) to be intrusted with a thing

Also it is what they call a imperative which means:

The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding. Thus, Jesus' phrase, "Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mk.1:15) is not at all an "invitation," but an absolute command requiring full obedience on the part of all hearers.

God commands people to believe on His Son 1 Jn 3:23

23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

And the word believe here is in the aorist tense to denote the first one time act of believing initially, where as the command to Love one another is in the present tense to denote a continual state of Loving one another after belief ! All this requires the Mind that serves the Law of God. Where does this Mind come from ? It certainly is not the Mind we are born with by natural generation ! How can one bey the Command to Believe on Christ ? What kind of Mind must they have ?

beloved57
April 10th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Acts 20:21

Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

That Repentance towards God and Faith in Jesus Christ were imperatives or charges to those who had been newly born spiritually, babes in Christ, is seen by Two things from the word of Truth, First Heb 5:11-6:2

11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

The principals of the Doctrine of Christ are those things which the writer points to as milk and for babes

Those things being Repentance from dead works [See Heb 9:14] and Faith toward God, water baptism, these are milk of the word !

Now lets look at 1 Pet 2:2

2 [B]As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

This scripture indicates that the milk of the word is for newborn babes, and if that is the case, Repentance and Faith are charges for the new born in Christ, as it was for those in Acts 2:38. Those Peter charged to repent and be baptized were new spiritually born babes in Christ !

Repentance and Faith are not commands to anyone outside of Christ, newly born or recently born !

beloved57
April 11th, 2012, 06:33 AM
The first sin that brought sin and death into the world was a Transgression of the Divine Law, a doing sin Rom 5:14

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Now who first committed Adam's Transgression ? Paul informs us 1 Tim 2:14

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Now her Transgression in doing, that is eating something God had forbidden, did involve unbelief on her part, for the record shows Gen 3:1-6

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

In verse 4, we have obviously the beginning of Eve's Unbelief, in that satan contradicted what God had told her, and subsequently, she believed satan over God, and did eat, which obviously meant that her believing satan was not to believe God , which is unbelief, she believed a lie, which is to not believe the Truth 2 Thess 2:11-12

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Unbelief is not the cause of sin, but a symptom, sin is the Transgression of the law, for the strength of sin is the Law 1 Cor 15:56, not unbelief. If and when a person dies in their sins, its not because of unbelief, but because of their Transgressions against God's Law ! They had no one to satisfy God's Law and Justice on their behalf for their Transgressions as those Christ did die for as Per Isa 53:5

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

That includes unbelief !. But that is not the case with those Christ did not die for and did not satisfy God's law and Justice for ! Such must die in their sins , and unbelief !

beloved57
April 12th, 2012, 07:48 AM
Matt25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

One of the main reasons for the everlasting and infinite punishment of the wicked is because of the Infinite Law of God they have transgressed from the womb, the Infinite Law from an Infinite Law giver. If God's Law was not Infinite, its punishment could not be Infinite ! For He is the Eternal God Deut 33:7

The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

Ps 90:2

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

beloved57
April 13th, 2012, 08:54 AM
Isa 53:8

He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

The generation in question is Christ's generation, His Spiritual offspring, and being it a spiritual offspring, the speaker must be the Holy Spirit, for only God's Spirit can communicate to that which is spiritual [1 Cor 2]; even though the Spirit may and does use the voice of flesh and blood or human Gospel Ministers; This principle is brought out by Paul here 2 Cor 3:6-8

6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

A Spiritual ministry directed to a spiritual people or generation in a spiritual kingdom formed by the Resurrected Life of Jesus Christ !

Also that the Gospel ministration is spiritual is seen here 1 Cor 9:11

11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

The spiritual things being the Gospel

Rom 15:27

27It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

The spiritual things once again being the Gospel !

Now the spiritual things being the gospel, and the natural man cannot receive of those things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2:13-14

13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Gospel is preached to that spiritual seed or generation which is said shall serve Him, and it shall be accounted to the the Lord for a generation Ps 22:30-31

30A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Its that Chosen Generation that shall offer up spiritual sacrifices 1 Pet 2:5,9

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

The Prophet states, that after His soul shall be made a offering for sin Isa 53:10, that He shall see His Seed or His generation !

beloved57
April 14th, 2012, 06:38 PM
1 Jn 3:10

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

The Elect, though not the children of the devil, do by nature, partake of the same wicked nature that the children of the devil partake of, for natural birth gives all that nature, after the image and likeness of satan or the devil ! So Paul says to the elect while they were in nature Eph 2:2-3

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

As the children of the devil were conceived in sin and shapen in iniquity as David expresses Ps 51:5, so too were the Elect Children of God, but again, the Elect children of God were never considered by God as children of the devil, no more so as the Father considered His Lost Son as a child of the devil Lk 15 !

beloved57
April 16th, 2012, 09:45 AM
2 Jn 1:5-6

5And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

6And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Walking in Christ's commandments is another way of saying, to walk by Faith, walking according to the Spirit, to walk in Truth, that being the Word of Truth, the Gospel of one's salvation !

We walk not in Christ's commandments if we do not walk in Truth 2 Jn 1:4

I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

Amen John, that is a very good reason to rejoice greatly when we know of those who walk in Truth !

When one has had the Gospel Of Truth revealed to them, they know that Christ, in His Active obedience to the Father, that He kept every commandment of God in their place and stead, so that the Righteousness that is imputed to them, is a Righteousness that has kept God's Law perfectly for them, and Faith receives this revelation, and Faith walks in accordance to that revelation, and in that way, all True believers Keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus Christ ! Rev 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

beloved57
April 17th, 2012, 09:57 AM
Rom 4:9

Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Many in apostate religion believes that Abraham's act of Faith was His Righteousness before God, and many appeal to the above verse for a proof text !

However it was not Abraham's Faith that God reckoned to Abraham as Righteousness, but the object of His Faith, The Lord Jesus Christ, His promised seed was reckoned to Him for Righteousness and His Faith embraced that !

This Seed was Christ Gal 3:16

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Christ in the Gospel was Preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And God hath made Christ unto Abraham 1 Cor 1:30

29That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

That's what was reckoned as Abraham's Righteousness, His Seed, and God gave Him Faith to believe that !

beloved57
April 18th, 2012, 06:33 AM
It was said of Cornelius, that he feared God ! Acts 10:2

A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Now this was said of him before he received the Gospel of his salvation from Peter, that he feared God, even he and his house ! Now understand this, a heart that does fear God, is a Blessing of the New Covenant, where God promised to put His Spirit within His Chosen people, to cause them to walk and do His Judgments Jer 32:39-40

39And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Folks, God must give us a Heart to fear Him, by nature we have no fear of God before our eyes Rom 3:18

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

So where did Cornelius and his house get this fear of God ? They sure were not born with it !

Again Ezk 36:27

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

It is God by giving one His Spirit that we can walk in the fear of God !

And this is by New Birth, no one can fear God without being born again. Now why is this important ? Because God sends the word of Salvation, the Gospel, to those who Fear Him, to inform them of their salvation. Did not God send Cornelius the Gospel ? Acts 10:31-36

3Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all )

Those who fear God, that is an evidence that God accepts them in Christ Eph 1:6

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

No man is accepted of God outside of being in Christ. This tells us that Cornelius must have been in Christ, in order for God to send him the Gospel of Jesus Christ vs 36

This is also important, because we realize that the Gospel as a word of Salvation, is sent only to those who fear God, who have been born again. Proof of this is here Acts 13:26

Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

Now what can be made more plainer than this as to who the Gospel of Salvation is sent to in regards to their salvation in Christ ! To whosoever Fears God !

I have news for everyone, if we did not have a heart that feared God before the Gospel was sent to us, then we did not receive it into good ground as per Matt 13:23

23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Good Ground here is just another way of saying a heart that fears the Lord, given in New Birth !

beloved57
April 19th, 2012, 12:09 AM
Lk 20:36

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The Children of resurrection, who are these children ? Yes I know they are those who shall rise up and be with Christ in the Last Day, as spoken of here Jn 11:24

24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

However, there is more that identifies who they are, for Jesus went on to say to Lazarus Sisters Jn 11:25

25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Yes there is no debate here that Jesus Christ is the resurrection based upon His Own Resurrection from the dead. It is worthy of note here also that Jesus uses the present tense, as I am presently the Resurrection, not shall be !

Now understand this, many son's or many brethren were born by means of or through His Resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The word by here is the greek prep dia:


through

a) the ground or reason by which something is or is not done

1) by reason of

2) on account of

3) because of for this reason

4) therefore

5) on this account

Now because of His Resurrection they are being born again !

Yes, the children of the resurrection first come to be through or by means of the Resurrection of Christ, and through this they become the children of the resurrection. These that are born thusly, even in this life time are the same as those Jesus refers to in Lk 20:36.

Now it is also these that are strangers and pilgrims on the earth 1 Pet 2:11; Heb 11:13

This also looks back to them being newborn babes 1 Pet 2:2, which looks back to be born out of incorruptible seed, Jesus Christ, the Word of God 1 Pet 1:23, which looks back to the resurrection of Christ 1 Pet 1:3 !

beloved57
April 22nd, 2012, 07:30 PM
Through the sin of the Church's or Elect first parents, their Natural Federal head, Adam and Eve, God had contrived a means whereby the seed of the serpent Gen 3:14-15 would enter into this world, to be that persecuting force and that enmity against the seed of the Woman [Christ and the Church], which was quite early with cain's persecution of Abel. Jesus refers to that as the seed of the serpent's first martyrdom Matt 23:31-35

31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

So those jews Jesus was speaking to were the sons of cain, who murdered Abel vs 35, who was a Prophet, whose Faith witnessed to the Lamb slain from the foundation, and cain the brother of Abel was out of that wicked one [the serpent's seed] 1 Jn 3:12

12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Jesus uses that term wicked one here as well Matt 13:19,38

When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

They enter the world through normal and natural childbirth as the elect do !

beloved57
April 25th, 2012, 06:00 AM
Rom 10:9-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This passage here is not Paul setting forth any conditions man must meet in order to get saved, but merely is he declaring a certain fact, those who receive the Testimony of the Gospel, in this context the jews, shall be saved, in other words, their receiving the Testimony of the Gospel identifies them as those being saved by Christ's Death for them !

1 Cor 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The word saved here is in the present tense, and it is passive voice, those who are being saved or converted by the Preaching of the Cross ! And that is what Paul says that evidences this conversion work in those activities of Rom 10:9-10 , for both Believing and Confessing are evidences of Conversion taking Place by the Power of God, the Gospel Rom 1:16

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

believeth here is also in the present tense, meaning believing, they are believing because they are being saved or converted by the Preaching !

Those who use Rom 10:9-10 in order to set forth a Conditonal Salvation, that is getting saved is contingent upon man's obedience or man's believing and confessing, they are guilty of perverting scripture and promoting a accursed gospel of works ! Gal 1:8-9

beloved57
April 26th, 2012, 11:18 AM
2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

This scripture is another way of saying that God has chosen some from the beginning of time, to Gospel Conversion, which is Belief of the Truth ! It is also an answer to Christ's Prayer to His Father, when He requested this Jn 17:17

17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Now who are the them ? Verse 20 Tells us Jn 17:19-20

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

It is a Prayer for all those who shall believe through their word, which is all for whom Christ died, and who were Chosen from the beginning of the world to sanctification of the Spirit and Belief of the Truth.

This scripture is quite similar to This One Isa 43:10

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

God ensured in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace, that by the Merits of Christ's Redemptive Death, that His Elect become believers of the Truth, by sending them the Holy Spirit to guide them into it Jn 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1 Jn 2:20-21

20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

And God through Christ has made certain, that all whom Christ died for shall believe the Truth, and become witnesses for His Name Sake !

beloved57
April 27th, 2012, 01:19 AM
Believing the Gospel is a work, a doing, a deed !



James 1:25 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/James%201.25)

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Now what does James mean here by the Perfect Law of Liberty ? He is speaking of the Law of Moses, as it has been fulfilled by Christ, as explained in the Gospel. Gal 3:23-26 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Gal%203.23-26); Rom 10:4 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Rom%2010.4). So the Perfect law of Liberty in James is also the Word of Truth [The Gospel] James 1:18 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/James%201.18)

18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Eph 1:13 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Eph%201.13)

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

This word of Truth of the Gospel does include Christ's fulfillment of the Law in behalf of all that He did die for Rom 10:4 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Rom%2010.4), it gives believers a sensible liberty of having been set free by Christ Isa 61:1 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Isa%2061.1)

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Jn 8:36 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Jn%208.36);

36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Gal 5:1 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Gal%205.1)

1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

So now a look into this Perfect Law of Liberty, being a Look into the Gospel, and a continuing therein, a continuing in the Truth as indicated back in Jn 8:31-32 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Jn%208.31-32)

31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth[word of Truth] shall make you free.

Then are ye blessed in your deed, or your doing, or the work , which can only mean or point back to the act or deed or work of believing or looking ! The word deed is the greek word poiēsis and means a doing or performing, a obedience to a law !

James actually calls this Look as being a doer of the work ! Yes, Believing is a doing of a work, a deed !

The word deed is also from the root poieō, and means do, of which the Jailor asked What must I Do to be saved ? Acts 16:30 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Acts%2016.30), and of course Paul commanded him to do something, which was to believe. The act or deed he must do to be saved was to believe. Now it cannot be denied that believing is not a deed that a person does, or how could James under inspiration of God call it a deed, a work ? So again, if anyone of us is claiming to get saved because they believed as in Acts 16:31-32 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Acts%2016.31-32), then we are claiming to get saved by our work, our deed. For the greek word for work in scripture is ergon and means:


business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Also translated deed Rom 3:20 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Rom%203.20)

I have by the Grace of God, proven from scripture once again that believing is a work, a deed, that man performs James 1:25 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/James%201.25) !

beloved57
April 28th, 2012, 07:32 PM
1 Jn 2:1-2

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Now to whom is Christ the Righteous an Advocate in behalf of ? First let's define this Office of His .

It is the greek word paraklētos and is defined as:



summoned, called to one's side, esp. called to one's aid

a) one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate

b) one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor

1) of Christ in his exaltation at God's right hand, pleading with God the Father for the pardon of our sins

c) in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant

1) of the Holy Spirit destined to take the place of Christ with the apostles (after his ascension to the Father), to lead them to a deeper knowledge of the gospel truth, and give them divine strength needed to enable them to undergo trials and persecutions on behalf of the divine kingdom

In this context, it is more of to plead the cause of someone, to be called to one's aid, also one who gives legal counsel. He intercedes in behalf of one, and perhaps even Isa 9:6 defines a part of that role

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Now who does He function in this role in the benefit of ? I already know most will say Believers, and that would be True; But it is also True of unbelievers, those He died for or in behalf of ! 1 Cor 15:3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

The word for here is the greek hyper and means:

in behalf of, for the sake of See 2 Cor 1:11


An important part of this Advocacy Role, is that of making intercession, and scripture is quite clear that He makes Intercession for Transgressors Isa 53:12

12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors[unbelievers in rebellion].

This also tells us why, Because He bare the sin of many. Now were they Believers or Unbelievers when He bore their sins, and when He made intercession for Transgressors ? Absolutely not, for they were in a unconverted state as Transgressors and Covenant breakers, and need to be converted Ps 51:13

13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

Did not Christ intercede in behalf of unbelievers here ? Lk 23:34

34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Is this Christ making intercession to the Father for unbelieving transgressors or not ? Now if this be the case, what would prevent Christ from being the Advocate to the Father in behalf of Unbelievers that He died in behalf of , and has propitiated the Father's Law and Justice for by shedding His Blood for them ?

beloved57
April 29th, 2012, 05:52 PM
What about this Grace of God here Paul refers to ? Titus 2:11-14

11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The Antichrist followers have hijacked this verse 11 and speak as if it is a offer of Grace to everyone without exception, but it is no such lie, but what it is, it is a description of the saving Grace of God Bringing Salvation to The Elect of God !

Lets be clear about who Paul is writing of, the beginning of the Epistle informs us Titus 1:1-4

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

3But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

He was writing to Titus as one who had been given the Faith of God's Elect !

Now back to that Grace of 2 vs 11, first of all Paul says that it Grace brings Salvation, not offer it or make it available, but brings it Salvation, or Deliverance. Also that the men in view are spiritually alive, it goes on to say that this same Grace Teaches US [Those Born Again] to deny ungodliness !

Now that word teaching is the greek word paideuō and is the same word used for chastening, that of God Chastening His Sons 1 Cor 11:32


32But when we are judged, we [The Believer] are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Heb 12:6

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Rev 3:19

19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

So we should also understand the every man of Titus 2:11 as being every Son as Per Heb 12:6

So the Grace of God is a converting Grace, a instructive Grace, a Disciplining Grace, for it Teaches the Child of God :

To deny ungodliness, wordily lusts, and to live:

soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

And to live:

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Grace Teaches the Converted Elect to live expectantly of the Glorious Appearing of the Great God and Our savior Jesus Christ.

Folks, the All men of Titus 2:11 cannot apply to any that Christ did not die for and Save, and redeemed from all iniquity !

That Grace of Titus 2:11 is Chastening Grace for the Sons of God ! Heb 12:6

beloved57
April 29th, 2012, 08:46 PM
Christ's Advocacy for those He died for, is premised on His Blood Shed, His Being a propitiation for their sins. For Christ has fully satisfied all of God's Law and Justice on their behalf; in that if any man of those He died for, sin, they do have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. His Blood and Righteousness covers them both Pre Conversion and Post Conversion !

beloved57
April 30th, 2012, 07:18 AM
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Advocate for each and every person He paid the redemption price for, even before they are called by the Gospel and Believe, but this applies to only the Unconverted Election of Grace, whom the ransom price has been paid by His Blood Mark 10:45

For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life or blood a ransom for many.

Those who teach that Christ does not intercede, and is an Advocate for, those He died for while they are in unbelief, are liars and a disgrace to the Ministry of Christ !

beloved57
May 6th, 2012, 04:04 PM
Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

The word received here is the greek word lambanō for it's definition see

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2983&t=KJV

The antichrist teachers love to pervert scripture and especially words that give any indication that they support their ungodly views such as the word receive. They willfully pervert the biblical usage of the word as to force it to mean that when one receives something from God, that they were given a choice to accept it by their freewill or reject it, its up to them. However this is what is called perverting or wresting the scripture. One of the scriptures they pervert or wrest to their destruction is the word receive in Rom 5:17

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ )

Where it is stated that their are those because of the Saving Work of Christ, receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness. Their perversion is that they receive it because it was offered to them to accept or reject, its all up to them. This is perversion at it's finest, for there is not one hint of a offer anywhere in the verse nor the context, to receive simply means it was given to them or communicated to them, for they received it simply because it was given Jn 3:27

John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

Not offered him, but given ! The word given here is in the perfect tense !

Whats given from heaven is received, simple as that !

beloved57
May 6th, 2012, 05:55 PM
The very same word receive is used by Paul when he testifies Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Paul says " The ministry I received of the Lord"

Now does this mean that God came to Paul and said, hey Paul, I have a opportunity for you, if you decide to accept it. Paul I offer you the Gospel Ministry to Preach to the Gentiles, so how about Paul, do you accept it or reject it ? So Paul had time to think about it, to make a decision, and Paul with his own freewill decided to accept the offer of preaching the gospel and becoming an Apostle, so Paul received of the Lord the ministry ! That must be how the antichrist followers believe, since they understand the word receive to mean, to take what is offered. Of course this is not what Paul meant at all, Paul simply meant that Christ gave Him the Ministry, this was a preordained appointment, I recall these words regarding Paul Acts 9:15

15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel

The Lord gave him his Ministry, his Apostleship to His Body the Church. Lets look at Eph 4:8,11,12

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

For the work of the Ministry, The same Ministry Paul speaks of in Acts 20:24 that he received of the Lord. Now where in the Eph 4 passage does it even suggest that Paul was offered his Ministry of Apostleship ? No, it was Sovereignly given him by the risen Christ, so he received it.

Now notice one more scripture that makes absolutely clear how Paul received the Ministry from the Lord Eph 3:7

Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Do you see anything in this scripture that even remotely suggests that the Ministry Paul stated " I received of the Lord" was a offer to him ? Absolutely not, it is absurd,, the Ministry was given him according to the Gift of God's Grace [Rom 5:15,17] and the operation of His Power ! Now that is how Paul received the Ministry, and that's how those receive Grace and the Free Gift of Righteousness through one Man Jesus Christ, and those who teach it's a offer here, are liars !

beloved57
May 6th, 2012, 11:59 PM
Rom 7:22

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

It is the inward man that receives the Testimony of the Gospel, which is also God's Spiritual Law. Now there are some scriptures that allude to the gospel being God's law.

I believe the Gospel is meant by law here Ps 19:7-8

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

The Law as the Ten Commandments were not for the purpose of converting the soul, that is Gospel Work, the Power of God unto Salvation to everyone that is believing.

I believe the Gospel is meant by Law here Isa 2:3

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

The Gospel of God is Spiritual, even the Law is Spiritual Rom 7:14

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The New Covenant Ministry is a ministration of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:4-8

4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

When speaking of the ministration of the Gospel, its called spiritual things as Per Rom 15:27

It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.


1 Cor 2:13

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1 Cor 9:11

If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

The spiritual things means the Gospel

These things can only be received and embraced by those who are spiritual.

A spiritually dead man cannot receive Savingly and spiritually, the spiritual gospel, but it is received by the inward man, which is the New Creation that can and does serve the Law of God !

beloved57
May 7th, 2012, 10:25 AM
Isa 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him[Christ] the iniquity of us all.

The Lord hath laid or cause to meet on Him Christ, the iniquity of us [ The Sheep] all. Now any to whom this may be True of, be it known that, though they may have not known it, and presently may not know it, they have a full acquittal of all their iniquities Ps 32:2, so blessed are they whom for Christ's Sake, God will not impute iniquity to their charge. There can never be in this world, and the one to come any charge of sin upon them ! Thats why Paul writes " Who shall lay any charge of any sin against God's Elect ? God certainly doesn't ! Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Folks God has never Laid a Charge of sin to His Elect ! Because He lad them all on Christ !

beloved57
May 7th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Who is it that the Resurrection of Christ gives a New Birth to ? It is none other but those written to in the letter, the Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father 1 Pet 1:1-2

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Which are the same as these sanctified by Him Jude 1:1

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

To these Peter says 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This applies only to God's Elect !

beloved57
May 8th, 2012, 04:46 AM
Acts 13:32-33

32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

The same Divine act that begat, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Election of Grace, Resurrection, also begets all His members, His Generation, His Seed, His Church. For Christ was begotten from the Dead by His Resurrection ? Scripture also states that those Christ died for are begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

His Resurrection as the Son of God, was their Resurrection, for He rose as the Representative Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Folks, Jesus Christ resurrection from the dead, validated the Justification of all for whom He died Rom 4:25 and it ensures their New Birth as proof of their Justification to life 1 Pet 1:3

beloved57
May 8th, 2012, 05:00 AM
The Resurrection from the Dead of Christ, is also the Redemption of the Church from under the law, for it was for the cause of the Church that Christ was made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them [His Seed and Church] that were under the Law in Adam !

Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

This is not the moasic law, for Paul is writing to both jew and gentile believers here, so the Law here is that which was first given to Adam in its condensed form !

beloved57
May 9th, 2012, 06:44 AM
Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

This means that any persons before being born spiritually by New Birth, and having had Christ revealed to them and His Righteousness on their behalf, that person has no right to say he or she belongs to Christ, yes even the elect, who have been chosen in Christ, and redeemed by Him, yet being not yet born again by the Spirit, is yet in darkness, but after New Birth, and so by the Spirit, he can confess Jesus as Lord, his Lord 1 Cor 12:3. Faith in Christ, and Believing His Gospel are evidences of one being in a Born Again, Born anew state !

beloved57
May 11th, 2012, 06:30 AM
Good works of men, morality can easily become the enemy of the cross of Christ ! Now are good works relevant in the believers life or walk ? Yes in deed, for Paul admonishes Believers of the value and importance of good works here in Titus 3:8, and besides that, the New Creation Shall walk in Good Works Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Notice, the New Creation will walk in good works, not the flesh or that which is born of the Flesh Jn 3:5-6

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

However, there is that which makes good works or morality the enmity and rival of the Cross, and that is when we make good works such as our act of believing, repentance, keeping of ordinances, as necessary unto Salvation by way of causative. When we believe that God by them and because of them, He is pleased to save us. In this way of thinking, Christ's Cross Work is denied sole authorship of the saved ones Salvation, it is no longer He that effects it and conversion to God. Christ's Death is what effects conversion to God, it being the fruit of His Death Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. The word fruit here means:

the fruit of one's loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity

That's Christ offspring from His Death, spoken of by the Prophet Isaiah 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

This word seed here is also translated fruitful in the OT Ezk 17:5

In this then, good works become the enemy of the Cross, because they are deeds we do in the flesh, not from the New Birth, that we rely on to cause us to be accepted of God !

beloved57
May 11th, 2012, 08:43 AM
When we trust in good works to find our acceptance with God, be it our believing or whatever, Good works becomes the enemy to the Cross. For it is not by works of Righteousness which we have done, that is not of any effort of ours, no right deeds or acts of ours, no right deeds or acts of ours, such as belief, repentance, water baptism, going to church after turning over a new lease in life, none of that saves a man, but only by God's Sovereign Mercy, which gives a New Birth, a Regeneration, 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This being begotten again from the Dead , which equals New Birth or Regeneration, this is what saved us according to Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

This washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Hoy Ghost equals New Birth, that is what saved us !

Paul says the same thing in this fashion Eph 2:5

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

But Peter says it's Mercy 1 Pet 1:3

beloved57
May 13th, 2012, 06:06 PM
The True Christian is comprised of Two Two Men, in one twofold character .

He is born of a man that is born of the flesh or corruptible seed Jn 3:6

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Pet 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

He is also born of the Spirit and incorruptible seed ! He is a old man and a new man all in one !

Each man is out of different respective Heads, that they previously existed in, one head being adam, the corruptible seed, the other being Christ the incorruptible seed, the Logos of God !

The Believer is made up of the old man and the new man ! Eph 4:22-24

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

beloved57
May 13th, 2012, 10:21 PM
A work is any deed we do, whether it be physical or mental. In other words, a lust in the mind is just as much a deed of the flesh or work of the flesh as physical fornication, its a mental deed ! Gal 5:19

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

This word works, is the same word used in Eph 2:9 where it reads Eph 2:9

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This is important because things we do with our mind are considered works. Lasciviousness is lust, which we do with the mind or heart , and its a work !

So likewise, faith and or believing is done with the mind and or heart and so its also a work !

So those of you who claim to be saved from your sins because you believed in your heart, then you are claiming salvation by your works; and since many believe that regeneration comes after faith or believing, then you are claiming salvation by the work of the flesh , your human faith from the flesh of you !

beloved57
May 14th, 2012, 06:40 AM
1 Jn 4:2-3

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 Jn 1:7

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

When scripture speaks concerning Christ having come in the flesh, it cannot be overlooked that when He did, He only took on the seed of Abraham, meaning a Chosen Elect People ! Heb 2:14-17

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Made Like unto His Brethren here are not ethnic jews, but His Spiritual brethren Rom 8:29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

An elect brethren , set apart brethren from all other people groups of the earth. So His incarnation was not the identification with everyone without exception, but only a chosen segment, so should we understand 1 Jn 4:1-2 !

beloved57
May 14th, 2012, 01:59 PM
Heb 10:7-10

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Ps 40:8

8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Christ's Obedience to the law was perfect and it was for and in the place of all for whom He lived and died, they having a Vital Union with Him; that is what Paul is teaching in Rom 5:12ff For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God Rom 3:23, which occurred in God's Reckoning here Rom 5:12 !

This tells us that the Transgression of God's Law by this one entity [Adam] effected Death in sin to all who were in a Vital Union with Him from God's perspective. The sin of adam or his disobedience Rom 5:18 Legally constituted in him was the embodiment of all his Natural family, guilty of Transgression.

Now he [Adam] was a figure or type of Him to come, So Christ when He came in the flesh, was made like unto His Brethren, taking on the seed of Abraham, He was the embodiment of all His Spiritual seed, or Family, and therefore in virtue of this Vital Union they had with Christ, they receive all the blessings, His Obedience and Law keeping deserves, and that is Eternal Life as per Rom 2:7,10 !

Now everyone Christ lived and died for, are the ones who keep the commandments of God as per Rev 14:12

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

For God given Faith reveals to them that they keep the commandments of God, not in themselves, but through the Work of Christ, and His Law Keeping imputed to them, His Active law Keeping obedience while He lived upon the earth, and through Him they have kept every Law of God Perfectly, as Christ did. Remember the young mans question ? Matt 19:16

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Jesus responded Matt 19:17

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Yes, everyone Christ died for, has kept the commandments, and they all shall enter into Life.

Jesus will say to them all, based solely upon His Finished work, and His obedience to the Law Matt 25:34

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

beloved57
May 14th, 2012, 11:11 PM
Everyone created in Adam in the beginning is redeemed by Christ, hence those correlating statements in Rom 5:15-19 perfectly complement one another in giving the effects of the act of each head, adam the natural federal head of the Elect, and Christ the Spiritual Federal Head of the Elect. Those that are excluded from Christ's redemption are not any of the seed of adam, but those of the seed of the serpent, the children of the wicked one have no redemption through Christ. Gen 3:15

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Matt 13:38

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

In the greek it is oi uioi tou ponhrou

The sons of the wicked. Sons here means :

in a wider sense, a descendant, one of the posterity of any one,

That the serpent[The wicked one] had a posterity given him is declared in God's words to him Gen 3:14-15

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent or the devil, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The word seed means offspring, descendants, posterity, children

So the sons of the wicked one were not created in Adam in the beginning but in the serpent !

beloved57
May 15th, 2012, 02:26 AM
Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

When are the saints actually glorified ? Most will admit that the saint or believer has been predestinated in the past, called past, Justified past, Glorified future ! However, even though there is a most glorious experience of Glorification awaiting the Believer, and a manifestation of the same, that truth no way detracts from the Glorification the Believer now possesses. The word glorified is the greek word doxazō

think, suppose, be of opinion

2) to praise, extol, magnify, celebrate

3) to honour, do honour to, hold in honour

4) to make glorious, adorn with lustre, clothe with splendour

a) to impart glory to something, render it excellent

b) to make renowned, render illustrious

1) to cause the dignity and worth of some person or thing to become manifest and acknowledged

It means honored, dignified, exalted to Glory. It is written Lk 17:15

15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

Yes a grateful leper glorified God. It is said that men shall see your good works and Glorify your Father which is in Heaven Matt 5:16 ! Now lets look at 1 Pet 4:14

14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

The believer is Glorified now because of the Spirits prescience with them and in them, even Christ, Christ in them the hope of Glory. The Believer is Glorified by reason of their sufferings and reproaches for Christ's sake. And it is given by God, not only to believe on Christ but also to suffer for Christ's Sake Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Rom 8:17

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Also, Christ's Glorification began when He was raised from the dead, and so was all His Members that He represented, and they were made to sit down together in heavenly places Eph 2:5-6

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Yes, even that is a present glorification of all for whom Christ died ! So Glorification is just like Salvation, or Justification, an aspect of it is experienced in this Life, and there is yet a future aspect of Salvation, Glorification, Justification and Redemption; For the Believer has been redeemed, and yet looks forward to the day of redemption, the Redemption of the Body, which is also Glorification !

beloved57
May 16th, 2012, 05:12 AM
1 Jn 4:19

We [True Believers] love him, because he first loved us.

There is not True Love to God from a person, not until that person has had it revealed to them by the Spirit, God's Eternal Love for them in choosing them in Christ before the foundation, Christ redeeming them from sin by His precious blood, and then calling them by His Grace, until then, all supposedly obedience to God and Love to Him is nothing but unacceptable dead works from the flesh of men dead in sin !

beloved57
May 16th, 2012, 08:15 AM
Rom 3:18

There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Religious people today do not have fear of God before their eyes, and when I say fear of God, I mean reverence for the Almighty, for they think of God to be like unto themselves. Paul writes of them here 2 Tim 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For instance, they think and believe God can will or desire a thing and then not bring it to pass, for they will say that God wills the Salvation of all men without exception from [ 1 Tim 2:4] but He does not bring it to pass, but the Testimony of scripture and the Saints states Job 23:13

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

This type of thinking about God is why it is said that Job was one that Feared God Job 1:1

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Job had knowledge of the Almighty !

David writes Ps 115:3

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

This testimony comes from a heart that fears and reverences God, and states that God has done whatsoever He pleased. The word pleased here is the hebrew word chaphets and means:


to delight in, take pleasure in, desire, be pleased with

a) (Qal)

1) of men

a) to take pleasure in, delight in

b) to delight, desire, be pleased to do

2) of God

a) to delight in, have pleasure in

b) to be pleased to do

2) to move, bend down

a) (Qal) to bend down

God has done what He pleases, meaning what God wills, He does. With men this is not the case, for we oft time meet with disappointment, however this cannot be with God, because He is Almighty and Sovereign !

beloved57
May 18th, 2012, 09:01 AM
Lk 13:3-5

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Most take this passage to mean that Jesus is Teaching Repentance to be performed by a sinner as a condition , or in order to get saved, however that is not what Jesus is saying at all. Jesus here merely made a declarative statement that was True, simply because those who are not given repentance from Him as their Prince and Saviour Acts 5:31, will no doubt perish in their sins. Repentance in regards to Salvation is given [not offered] by God, for Christ is God Our Saviour, if He indeed saves us. Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Note: If Christ does not give us Repentance, then He is not Our Prince and Saviour !

It [Repentance] is given by Him as proof or evidence of Him being our Saviour, for its a Change of Mind. As men in the flesh we are void of this type of repentance, for if man could change their minds by our own so called freewill, it would not be necessary for Christ to give it, or to bestow it upon those He is saving !

This Repentance that Christ gives to Israel or His Church or His Elect is the New Birth. 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This being begotten again, the New Birth, is God giving us Repentance. Why is that ? Because the words here begotten again is the greek word anagennaō and means:


to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

You see that ? It means to have ones mind changed ! What is Repentance in Lk 13:3-5 ?

The word repent there is the greek word metanoeō and means:


to change one's mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

What can be more plainer ? Repentance is the fruit of the New Birth ! So in actuality, what Jesus is saying in Lk 13:3-5, is that except you are born again, ye shall like wise perish ! No New Birth by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3, then no repentance, and therefore we perish in our sins without a Saviour !

beloved57
May 18th, 2012, 10:40 AM
Lk 24:45-47

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


Jesus never told His Apostles to preach repentance as a condition for salvation, as the Antichrist ministers tell us, but He told them to preach Repentance and Remission or Forgiveness of sins in His Name among all Nations, or Ethnics ! This word preached is the greek word kēryssō
and it means to:

to be a herald, to officiate as a herald

a) to proclaim after the manner of a herald

b) always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed

2) to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done

3) used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other Christian teachers

Note, never does this word mean offer or make available.

The main emphasis here is to publish or proclaim or make something known that has been done or accomplished. For Two things here Jesus tells them to Make Known, that is Repentance and Forgiveness of sins have been done, accomplished in His Name !

The word Name here means:

the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.

Through His Work, His Person, forgiveness of sins and repentance have been accomplished for those He died for ! Both of these Blessings, Repentance and Remission of sins are both found in Him and given by Him to His Elect People. If you do not believe me, we shall read what Peter preached, as he is one of the ones Jesus was speaking to and commanding to go Preach in our text ! Acts 5:31


31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Peter in his sermon here states unequivocally that the now Risen and Ascended Saviour of the Church is above to give [not offer] Repentance and Remission of sin to who ? Yes Israel, or His Elect, or His Church or His Sheep. For remember He also was raised from the dead as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20, which is the same as being raised from the Dead as the Saviour of Israel, so Israel and Sheep are the same, and we know that all His Sheep are not jews by His comment in Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Now at this juncture, Peter did not command anyone to repent, but specifically Preached or Made known what Christ had accomplished or done by His Work, and What He is now doing to them He is now saving.

Repentance is part of His Saving Work, to give it, and so is enlightenment of having ones sins remitted for His Names Sake ! Eph 4:32

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,

So we fail to Preach Repentance correctly without making it known that it is given to God's Elect in Behalf of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, or in His Name, and for His Sake !

beloved57
May 19th, 2012, 04:25 AM
If a person is in a lost state, they cannot believe the Gospel and be saved, because they are lost ! 2 Cor 4:3-4

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

If a person is lost, and blinded by satan, and they never come to believe, then that is one for whom Christ was not given in behalf of or was not given as a Covenant, that He should open their Eyes as Per Isa 42:6-7

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

The blind eyes here are the same as that which satan keeps blind in the lost 2 Cor 4:In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not !

The eyes of our understanding as Eph 1:18a

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened

Acts 26:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

So it is impossible for one that Christ died, was given as a Covenant, for them to remain in a Lost state and not believe the Gospel because of being blinded by the god of this world, which is satan ! So unbelief of the Gospel is a symptom of being in a lost state, and believing it is a evidence of being in a saved state !

beloved57
May 22nd, 2012, 07:37 AM
One of the Main stumbling blocks of Salvation by Grace or Justification by Grace Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Is that the unregenerate creature cannot believe that God would Justify someone without them doing something to deserve it, which often times is Faith or Believing. That being said, the natural man does not and believe in Justification or Salvation by Grace through Faith, Faith not being man's contribution, but it's revealer and evidence !

beloved57
May 22nd, 2012, 08:41 PM
Ps 9:10

And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.

Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

It was promised that the gentiles would Trust Matt 12:17-21

17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust. See Isa 42:4

One cannot believe on the name of the Son of God, if they do not know Him First, know His Name ! Answer me this, how can we call upon the Name of the Lord as here Rom 10:13

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

If we do not know Him whom we call upon ??

Did not Paul say 2 Tim 1:12

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Does not the sound like Trust ? Could you Trust someone you did not know ?

Also I find these words very instructive to this point, when Jesus said here on this occasion Jn 9:35-36

35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

Christ the Son of God must first be revealed in us, by the internal working of the Spirit, and so Paul says this as an example Gal 1:16

16 To reveal[Make Known] his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

This is the a effect of New Birth, for then is Christ revealed in us and formed in us , then are we led to Trust in Him Eph 1:13, for one must know Christ Spiritually, for Christ says, His Sheep hear His voice, and knows it rather than a stranger, for a stranger is one we do not know !

How does the elect know that what he hears in the Gospel is the voice of Christ if he does not know Christ first ? How can he trust in a strangers voice ? Think about it ! Jn 10:5

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

beloved57
May 23rd, 2012, 07:22 AM
Cain was not created in Adam in the beginning !

When scripture gives us the generation of Adam, it does not include cain in the genealogy, simply because he was not originally part of that seed of mankind, created in Adam !

Lets read scripture here Gen 5:1-32

This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

Note: Seth was a replacement for Abel whom cain murdered Gen 4:25-26

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.



4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:

11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.

12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:

13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:

14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:

17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.

18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.

26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:

27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.

30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:

31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Notice, it was these who were out of that generation which God had created in Adam, when He created him in the likeness of God as per Gen 5:1-2 !

Also if we read the genealogy of Christ as written in Lk 3:23-38, notice no mention of Adam's firstborn cain ! Again, that is because cain was not in Adam when man was created in the image of God in the beginning !

Later scripture tells us why this is so ! Because cain was out of that wicked one 1 Jn 3:12

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Cain was of that wicked one , the devil, who was sown by him as Jesus makes clear here Matt 13:36-39

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; Adam and his generations in the beginning is the good seed Gen 5:1-2

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The tares are those of the serpents seed as per Gen 3:15-16

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Cain was out of that generation, and not out of that Generation in Adam !

beloved57
May 25th, 2012, 08:34 AM
Jesus put cain in the generation of the serpent, observe Matt 23:31-36



31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

That word generation in vs 33 is the greek word gennēma and means:


that which has been born or begotten

a) the offspring or progeny of men or animals

b) the fruits of the earth, the produce of agriculture

Remember when God told the serpent this Gen 3:14-15

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The word seed here which the Lord God said the serpent had is the word zera`

and means

seed, sowing, offspring

a) a sowing

b) seed

c) semen virile

d) offspring, descendants, posterity, children


Jesus was calling those men in Matt 23 the offspring or the generation of the serpent, and He linked cain with them as he was one of them that murdered Righteous Abel !

Thats why cain was not in the offspring or the generations of Adam Gen 5:1-4

This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

This also tells us that cain was never made in the Image of God, only those in Adam were !

beloved57
May 28th, 2012, 07:02 AM
Cain, as others of the seed of the serpent[Gen 3:14-15; 1 Jn 3:12 are those God never Loved in Christ before the world began Jn 17:23-24, and neither were they chosen in Him that they should be Holy and without Blame before Him in Love Eph 1:4, and neither were they predestinated to be conformed into the Image of God's Son Rom 8:29 !

beloved57
May 28th, 2012, 06:11 PM
Phil 3:10

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Paul writes that I may know Him and the power of His Resurrection, not that Paul did not already know Jesus Christ, His Person, or that he had not already experienced the Power of His resurrection, for it is through that Power that those for whom Christ died do believe as stated in Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Also he knew as well that it was through Christ's Resurrection Power that he had been begotten again as Peter knew 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Our New Birth is by the Power of the Resurrection ! So what Paul's desire was here in Phil 3:10, was to know more of the Power of the Resurrection !

Both The ability to believe on Christ and to suffer for His cause are given to all for whom He died by His Resurrection Power Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

beloved57
May 30th, 2012, 12:17 PM
God is fitting the seed of the serpent for destruction or we can say God is fitting the children of the devil for destruction or the reprobate or the non elect for destruction. All such vessels of wrath Rom 9:22 do cooperate with God's purpose for them, and since God has ordained them for destruction, their behavior is such that acquiesce and fit themselves for destruction as well, and God is righteous in His destroying them at last, as it will be in the day of Christ and Judgment.

This principle of operation is fully brought to light with God's dealing with Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, and let us remember that God gives us to know that what transpired between He and Pharaoh was according to God's set purpose, He that works all things according to His own counsel Eph 1:11. God teaches His people how He makes the vessels of wrath, the non elect, the tares, fitted for destruction.

When it was time for God to bring His People Israel out of bondage, He told Moses Ex 4:21

And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go. and this begins an Illustration from the sacred testimony or scriptures of How God deliberately and predeterminately fits a person or persons for destruction. God again speaks on what He has purposed to do Ex 7:3,13

And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.

But now lets look at the Sovereign Effect that the purpose of God to harden Pharaoh's heart has on Pharaoh as he is an accountable creature Ex 8:15

But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.

Yes, he hardens his own heart, this also fitting him for destruction, so God will be just in his damnation, for he will be without excuse ! In fact, Pharaoh acknowledges at one point that God is righteous Ex 9:27

And Pharaoh sent, and called for Moses and Aaron, and said unto them, I have sinned this time: the LORD is righteous, and I and my people are wicked.

God had selected out Pharaoh centuries before to fulfill His Purpose when He made this promise to Abraham Gen 15:13-14

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

This was God's predetermined plan for Pharaoh, and He has one in place for each vessel of wrath that He fits and causes to fit themselves as accountable creatures to destruction !

beloved57
May 31st, 2012, 12:15 AM
1 Cor 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The natural man's understanding is joined inseparably with his mind and heart, the seat of affection, which also cannot be separate from the volition of the will. Scripture points out to us that the natural mind cannot discern spiritual realties, but many really do not believe this is true 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Truths from the Spirit of God cannot be accepted by the natural man, this includes the Gospel, which is spiritual ! Yet many in false religion today teach that man has the freewill to choose and to submit to God and the things of God. In essence the false teachers and their deluded followers believe that man's natural heart can and does make spiritual choices with spiritual ability, that the natural heart of man does indeed discern spiritual things and that is does have the ability to submit to and please God, all the things that scripture indicates that the natural heart cannot do spiritually, the freewillers in pride and opposition say the natural heart of man can do !

beloved57
May 31st, 2012, 09:15 AM
The type of ground, typifying the heart, the good ground was the only that Jesus said the word [gospel] landed upon, and it understandteth it Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Understand with the heart Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

This is vitally important and speaks to the need of the New Heart before Faith in the Gospel, because the Natural man, he that is only born of the flesh, born of a woman, cannot and does not understand the things of the kingdom of God, which the Gospel is Matt 24:14.

This we know from such scriptures as Rom 1:31

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Eph 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

This word phrase understanding darkened in the greek is in the perfect tense and passive voice, in other words this does not change at all unless man is brought into another condition, namely new birth ! Because until then, we remain alienated from the life of God!

So in all this we discover why the natural man has no understanding by nature of God and spiritual matters, because again , by nature we are void of Life to God ! So consequently, the heart or ground in Matt 13:23 that received the word of the Kingdom, must be a Heart with the Life of God in it, which speaks of New Birth, Regeneration or having been born of God ! Unless this [New Birth] has occurred, 1 Cor 2:14 remains True of us all ! If we deny this , we are showing ourselves wiser than God and what has been written in the sacred volume !

beloved57
June 5th, 2012, 12:16 PM
The Sure Mercies of David !

Isa 55:3

Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

The sure Mercies of David are Spiritual Blessings of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

The sure Mercies of David are fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ, specifically in His Resurrection according to Paul here Acts 13:32-35

32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

If you notice, the Resurrection of Christ is key in Heb 13:20 !

And it is by means of His Resurrection from the Dead, that all the Children of Promise Partake of the sure mercies of David in their being begotten again, according to God's Abundant Mercy 1 Pet 1:3


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Everyone Christ died for, was buried, and rose from the Grave on their behalf, they partake of the sure mercies of David, the New Birth with all of it's accompanying Spiritual Blessings ! Faith, Repentance, Love etc..

beloved57
June 6th, 2012, 11:25 PM
Heb 11:4

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

The offering that Abel did offer typified Christ, the Lamb Slain from the foundation of the world, so he had Christ revealed to him, for scripture said he was righteous. This means the Gospel revealed to him a Righteousness of God imputed to him based upon the lamb slain from the foundation, and would come in the fulness of time !

beloved57
June 12th, 2012, 11:05 AM
1 Tim 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Many take this verse, as even as I once did, to mean that, The mediator Christ Jesus is the Mediator of all men without exception, even those who are accursed and will be pronounced so in the day of Judgment by Him Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The word cursed here is in the perfect tense, they have always been cursed ! Which plainly denotes that Christ was not made a curse for them [Gal 3:13], He never knew them !

This is the Mediator of 1 Tim 2:5 speaking to these cursed people He said He never Knew. But Christ as Mediator Knew and Delighted in the Men that He was set up as their Mediator from everlasting Prov 8:30-31

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

The Sons of Men here are those men of 1 Tim 2:5 ! So those He never knew and pronounces cursed, its a mistake to reckon them as objects of His Delight and Mediation !

Now Jesus Christ is more specifically the Mediator of the Covenant Heb 12:24

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The New Covenant Heb 8:6

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

So the Men He is a Mediator in behalf of are a Covenant People of a Better Covenant, they are the Chosen Covenant People of God, the House of Israel and of Judah Heb 8:8

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Now this being understood spiritually, they are God's Elect Covenant People from among the ethnic jews and the gentiles, which both together constitute the Israel of God, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham through Christ Gal 3:29

And if ye be Christ's [The Mediator of 1 Tim 2:5], then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Also it can be noted that He is the Mediator of all the men who are the called to receive the Promise [not offer] of Eternal Inheritance Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

This Promised Eternal inheritance is actually that Eternal Life which is the Gift of God through Jesus Christ Rom 6:23 [The Mediator 1 Tim 2:5] and its not an offer as the antichrist followers claim !

beloved57
June 22nd, 2012, 09:57 AM
Rom 5:20

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Grace which is through Jesus Christ as confirmed Rom 5:21

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 5:15

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Grace abounds over sin and death, whenever a sinner that Christ died for 1 Cor 15:3 or tasted death for Heb 2:9 whenever such a one is converted to God by the New Birth, and hence it can be said Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Now understand this, if one, yes just one, for whom Christ died 1 Cor 15:3 and Heb 2:9 die in their sins as Per Jn 8:24

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

And consequently never became a Believer, then those, sin and death abounded much more abounded over them than God's Grace through Jesus Christ ! Thats an fact, it says that God's Grace through the one Man Jesus Christ was not able to recover from sin and death that came through the one man Adam !

Thats a victory for satan !

However, an example has been given us if we have eyes to see, how that Grace doth always abound over where sin did abound, this we see in the conversion of saul into Paul, by Grace abounding he came from hate and unbelief to Faith in Christ 1 Tim 1:13-14

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Yes, this is how Grace much more abounds over sin and death, this Grace abounds because it was through a much more Superior Man, the Lord Jesus Christ, that the sin and death came through the man adam !

The words much more abound Rom 5:20

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Its the greek word hyperperisseuō and means:


to abound beyond measure, abound exceedingly

2) to overflow, to enjoy abundantly


This is what Paul meant by the words " The grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant" to him ! The words exceeding abundant in the greek are hyperpleonazō and means:


to be exceedingly abundant

2) to overflow

3) to possess in excess

So the conversion experience that Paul experienced by the Grace of Jesus Christ flowing from the Merits of His Death Heb 2:9, for His Death was God's Grace in Action, this same conversion experience by the Grace of God being communicated abundantly, is due each and man, and woman that Jesus Christ tasted death in behalf of, and do recover them from the sin and death in adam,if not, we may strike Rom 5:20 out of the sacred records, because it is would have been proved that one for whom Christ died was finally overcome by sin and death and shall perish in their sins !

beloved57
June 23rd, 2012, 04:06 AM
Grace abounding much more where sin did abound causing death through Adam, this Grace abounding to a sinner for whom Christ died is the same as the New Birth or the Sanctification of the Spirit. Grace abounds much more because everyone Jesus Christ died for shall receive the Gift of a New Birth by the resurrection of Him for the dead as Per 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

beloved57
June 23rd, 2012, 04:10 PM
Rom 5:19-21

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

How does this Grace reign through Jesus Christ ? It Reigns by the New Birth. It reigns because Christ Death and Resurrection communicates to those that He died for, a New Birth as Per 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This having been begotten again which means:anagennaō

to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

The produce means to create again ! God by New Birth Creates those Christ died for and satisfied law and Justice for, He Creates them again as a Gift a New Man !

Eph 4:24

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

And by this New Creation we are given these 2 Pet 1:3

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

These things are given or bestowed in the New Birth. One of those all things He gives that pertains Life and Godliness is Godly Repentance. Repentance is a Godliness 2 Cor 7:8-10

9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

This Repentance is of a godly a divine nature 2 Pet 1:4

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The divine nature given in the New Birth or New Creation, and through this New nature we escape the corruption of the Old Nature we received by our fall in Adam. And so we are given by this Repentance to life Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

beloved57
June 23rd, 2012, 04:57 PM
We have pointed out that by the Gift of the New Birth, God gives us a Nature that pertains to Life and Godliness 2 Pet 1:1-3

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

According to His Divine Power hath given or bestowed all things needed that pertain to life and godliness.

One such thing is Godly Repentance, next He hath given us Faith . Yes Faith is according to Godliness Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

That is Acknowledging the Truth and the Faith of God's Elect, are after godliness !

1 Tim 6:11

But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

In the New Birth all is given to Live like this:

to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

And this is how Grace Reigns through Righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ !

Righteousness demands that all for whom Christ died, live a Life of Faith,which pleases God. So we receive Faith through the Righteousness of God and Our Saviour Jesus Christ !

2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Grace reigns through Righteousness when all for whom Christ died are given to Live by Faith, because the Just shall live by Faith, which pleases God !

beloved57
June 25th, 2012, 06:25 AM
2 Cor 5:18-21

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

When it is said by the Apostle here "we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God" this appeal or summons is going out to those who have had Spiritual Life communicated to them, in fact they were already New Creatures in Christ vs 17, and now God by means of the Truth, the Word of God or of Reconciliation [accomplished], in fact, the very voice of Christ through the preaching, as stated, we pray you in Christ's stead" be ye reconciled to God" ! And of course their hearing Christ's voice, faith cometh by Hearing !

So this passage is not as the false believers present it, as if God is pleading and begging men and women every where to accept Christ and get saved.

In fact, when they said be ye reconciled, in the greek its a imperative [command] and it is in the passive voice, that is the subjects are being converted by the word of reconciliation ! Its what Paul says here Acts 26:18

18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

They, the Apostles were the princes that would rule in Judgment with the King Isa 32:1

Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.

So they, could pray or beseech in Christ stead or behalf, being God ordained ambassadors for Him and ruling with Him.

It was unto them only that Jesus said :

Matt 16:18-19

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Paul was binding His Corinthian hearers , with that Apostolic Authority from Christ !

beloved57
June 28th, 2012, 08:00 AM
Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

This means Two things, that the sins of the world in question here, and the people who comprise it, these all [sins] had been charged to Christ's account, and secondly, that He hath taken them away as Per Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This means the full and complete discharge of them. These sins can never again be brought up for Judgment no more as those which were typified by the scapegoat, who bore away the sins of the people into the wilderness of forgetfulness Lev 16:21-22

21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

Jer 50:20

In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

Ps 103:12

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

The word removed means:

to be or become far, be or become distant, be removed, go far away

a) (Qal) to be far, be distant

b) (Piel) to send far away, extend

c) (Hiphil)

1) to make or exhibit distance, be gone far

2) to remove, put far away

This is the Ideal that John 1:29 conveys regarding all the sins of those Christ died for as the Lamb of God !

And Christ's Resurrection from the dead gives declaration that all those [a world of people] who had their iniquities laid upon Him for the carrying out of due Justice for them, that they are Justified in the court of God's Law and Justice ! This is so even though this declaration of their Justification [Rom 4:25] is unknown to them, and yet to pass upon their consciousness !

beloved57
June 28th, 2012, 09:39 AM
1 Cor 15:17

And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

If Christ be not raised, ye are yet in your sins ! If Christ is raised, ye are not in your sins !

You see,[God given] Faith has embraced the Truth that Christ's Sacrifice hath taken away one's sins, Jn 1:29 but if Christ be not risen, then that means that God did not discharge the sins of those He had laid upon Him as Per Isa 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The Lord caused to fall upon Him the Iniquity of all for whom He died !

And in such a case, faith is useless or of no purpose !

Now the false teachers hath perverted the sense of this Truth and would have it mean that faith is the condition man meets in order for the discharge of one's sins, but that is only a cheat from the Work of Christ which alone discharges the sins of those He died in behalf of, and that being the case the resurrection of Christ from the dead is a solemn testimony of that fact ! And so it is whenever the Gospel is preached and forgiveness of sins proclaimed, based upon His Work, His Name, God given Faith embraces the Truth of it, and that one then receives into their consciousness the forgiveness or discharge of them as Per Acts 26:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

But if Christ be not risen, then faith is of no use to embrace such a Truth, and their discharge is a delusion !

When it is said that the risen Christ gives Repentance and Remission of sins to Israel as Per Acts 5:31, it means He gives them the Knowledge of it, the Knowledge of the fact their sins are forgiven ! Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

beloved57
July 9th, 2012, 09:20 AM
1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

The OC Saints had Faith in Christ for their Righteousness as does the NT Saints.

Notice Isa 45:23-25

23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Rom 3:21-25

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Like Isa 45

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

That forgiveness of sins was through Christ the coming seed of the woman, the Shiloh Gen 49:10; all the OT prophets since the beginning did bear witness to Lk 1:70 and Faith to Salvation was in His Blood Rom 3:24-25, and so in order to that, they must also have heard the Word of God, for Faith cometh by hearing Rom 10:17, also OT Saints understood that this mercy of forgiveness of sins, God had reserved only for a Remnant Micah 7:18

18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth[Taketh away] iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

But this Mercy that God delighteth in for the taking away of iniquity, was not for all mankind, but a Remnant, not even all ethnic jews either, for in them was a remnant Isa 1:9

And this Remnant of Hope was always given the Faith of God's Elect to Trust in Christ's Blood for their Mercy of forgiveness Rom 3:24-25

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

beloved57
July 14th, 2012, 06:35 PM
John 1:1-4

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


That Life was the Light of men, the Elect of God and those who would become Believers in time, for as many as were ordained to Eternal Life believed Acts 13:48. It was all these that did have Life in Christ, the Word, before they had life and were created in Adam, and before they sinned in Adam, for they had a Covenant Life in their Covenant Head. Now I am not speaking of any personal existence, but a spiritual life, a seed life given them in Christ; for they all existed as the Spiritual Body of which He was the Head of which is seen in scripture Col 1:16-18, that is Christ as the Head of His Body, and that His Body was created in Him, as Eve was created in Adam, for they were Chosen and given to Him as Eve was God's Choice for Adam and gave her to him, for it is written : Gen 2:22

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Now some may say that Christ was not created ! But oh yes He was, but only its more appropriately called begotten or generated or brought forth.

Prov 8:22-25

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

However it must be made clear that this generation or being brought forth only applies to His Mediator Sonship as the Son of God, set up in His Mediator capacity Prov 8:23, as the Man Christ Jesus 1 Tim 2:5; and we also hold that Christ in His absolute Divinity was never begotten, or generated, or brought forth, but always existed Uncreated, Unbegotten as the Word of God Jn 1:1, but His bride was created in Him as He was Himself was begotten as the Mediator and Firstborn of Creation Rev 3:14

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Col 1:15

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Now it was as the God Man Mediator that the Life or Covenant Life of all them Chosen in Him, was that Life of men in Him Jn 1:4 and this Life was the Light of men.

Turn with me to Isa 42:6

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; See also Isa 49:6

Lk 2:32

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

And each man that had this Covenant Life given them in Christ, shall partake of it as they come into this world Jn 1:9

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

That is every man that has an interest in Christ as their Covenant Head, and that is because they have Covenant Life, they will be lightened with the Light of Life Jn 8:12 and Acts 13:47

47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. That fulfills Lk 2:32 !

All of those who has Spiritual Life and Light communicated to them, it was because they had Covenant Life in Him Jn 1:4

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

beloved57
July 16th, 2012, 02:37 PM
The commands of the Apostles during their Gospel Preaching, such as Acts 2 :38 [to repent] Acts 3:19 [repent] Acts 16:31 these were Covenant Commands, Yes even in Jesus Ministry were they issued Matt 11:28-29

28 [B]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

What is meant by Covenant commands is commands that are issued out to those whom it is said of, that once God has put His Spirit in them that it will cause them to walk in His statues and to keep His Judgments and Do them Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Notice the word walk in vs 27, its the word yalak



to go, walk, come

a) (Qal)

1) to go, walk, come, depart, proceed, move, go away

2) to die, live, manner of life (fig.)

b) (Hiphil) to lead, bring, lead away, carry, cause to walk

It causes them to come, so that is why Jesus says in Matt 11:28

Come unto me !

It causes them a new manner of life

Its actually what Paul writes of after one has been Created in Christ Jesus that they should Walk in good works as Per Eph 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

When Paul Preached the word of reconciliation and gave the imperative in Christ's stead 2 Cor 5:20

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Thats a Covenant command, and in fact this imperative is in the passive voice, meaning the subjects f the command are being experientially reconciled to God by being caused to come !

You see this is quite different from the antichrist followers telling us that God commands everyone without exception to repent and if they do they get saved, that is a bunch of devilish propaganda.

The commands go out in order to bring to manifestation those who partook of the Covenant Blessings of what Jesus Christ accomplished for His Church, His Israel of God, because it was promised that they should be caused to walk in God's Statues and to Keep His Judgments to do them !

beloved57
July 18th, 2012, 06:48 AM
Jonh 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

When Jesus said that His words are Spirit and Life, it was for those that He spoke to, He did not mean it for all of mankind without exception that He spoke to during His Ministry, but to only those that His Father had given Him, and they received them Jn 17:8

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

They were part of the the election of grace, Chosen in Him before the foundation of the world, and it was to them, when He spake, He spake to purpose, like Zacheus here Lk 19:5-10

And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

For you see, Jesus was no mere mortal man speaking, but God Man, yes the very God of Heaven now manifested in the Flesh, who soon shall speak and all that are in the graves shall hear His voice in purpose !


The doctrines which Christ had then been delivering concerning himself, his flesh and blood, being spiritually understood, are the means of quickening souls. The Gospel, and the truths of it, which are the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ, are the means of conveying the Spirit of God, as a spirit of illumination and sanctification, into the hearts of men, and of quickening sinners dead in trespasses and sins: the Gospel is the Spirit that giveth life, and is the savour of life unto life, when it comes not in word only, or in the bare ministry of it, but with the energy of the Holy Ghost, and the power of divine grace. By John Gill

beloved57
July 20th, 2012, 12:43 AM
Jn 17:6-8

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John also wrote this Jn 3:27

John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.


Now receiving God's Words does not mean they are offered and someone received them, but they are received because they are given, its a spiritual communication to them as when Jesus said Jn 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

It was a Spiritual Conveyance of words to them ! This is to some, mainly to a seed as Per Isa 59:21

As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

The Seed shall receive the Words, of which the disciples were proof of and representatives of ! The Seed shall be given to know that the words are from God, as like what Peter said here, speaking for the whole, save judas of course Jn 6:67-69

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

So what we have in John 17:6 is a passive reception , its like unto Jesus parable of the one with the good ground, who receives the word sown onto it Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

The receiving here is an passive reception because of the bestowed word, and not because it was received after having been offered, big difference, and one we would be wise to consider in this matter, the same principle applies for Rom 5:17

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ )

As to those who receive abundance of grace, for its communicated to them by the New Birth !

beloved57
July 20th, 2012, 08:44 AM
Mk 4:11

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Them that are without ! What does this mean ? Without of what ?

They are without the Election of Grace Rom 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

All of mankind without exception can be of the Election of Grace !

They are without the Seed of Christ Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

For all Spiritual and Gospel Promises are made sure to all the seed Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

They are without the scope of Christ's redeeming Love and death Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Titus 2:14

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

They are without the New Birth that Christ's Death Provides 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


They were strangers outside the Promises of the Covenant as the gentiles were under the OC Eph 2:12

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

The word strangers here means:

without the knowledge of, without a share in

beloved57
July 27th, 2012, 09:00 AM
Col 2:10

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

This is speaking of God's Elect Col 3:12

12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

The Whole Election of Grace Rom 11:5 has always in the reckoning of God and in His Purpose in Christ Jesus Eph 3:11 been complete in Christ Jesus; For no more complete are they in Him after conversion as before it, after faith than before it !

That word complete in the greek is the word plēroō and it means:


of matters of duty: to perform, execute

2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish

3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment

Christ has fully obeyed God's Law as it should be, for all the Elect of God. The Elect of God are born sinners already having had Christ to do and accomplish this for them Before God's Law and Justice, they just until faith revealed it to them, did not know anything about it !

Also the word complete in the verse is in the Perfect Tense in the greek which is defined as:


The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.

And God views Each member of the Election of Grace as having completely fulfilled His Law in every detail in their lives, once and for all !

beloved57
July 29th, 2012, 09:56 PM
In the matter of Christianity, an Immoral Life is indeed evil, however, doctrinal error is far more grave; For if we have good reason to believe that one is a Brother in the Faith, and yet through infirmity and temptation of the flesh is overcome into vile fleshly conduct as Per 1 Cor 5:1-5

It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Yet such a one is to be prayed for and their Salvation is still in view Vs 5, but the one who persists in false doctrine, no matter how moral, we should reject and even wish upon them Eternal Damnation as Paul does Here and commands to be done Gal 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

That mean that they go to hell !

beloved57
July 30th, 2012, 04:53 PM
Believing the Gospel is an act of obedience, this is seen from Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. The word obeyed means:

to listen, to harken of one who on the knock at the door comes to listen who it is, (the duty of a porter)
to harken to a command
to obey, be obedient to, submit to

Its obedience from the Heart [ New Heart] that form of Doctrine or Teaching that was delivered, the same word used in 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

So now if one gets saved by their act of obedience, then they are claiming to get saved by their works, by their obedience, by obeying a commandment, also they deny what Paul under inspiration has written in Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Therefore Paul's Theology needs to be corrected to read :

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of Two or of many shall many be made righteous.

In other words we shall be made Righteous by Christ's Obedience and our own obedience ! That is what false religion believes these days !

beloved57
July 31st, 2012, 03:59 PM
For one to come to Christ, another way of saying believing on His Name, this coming denotes Life, in other words one must have life to come, for a dead man cannot and does not come to Christ, because he has no life, precisely Jesus meaning here in this statement Jn 6:53

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

To eat and to drink here is not literal eating and drinking, but a simple appropriation, spiritually speaking of Spiritual food in the person and Work of Jesus Christ, and to eat of this and drink of this spiritually requires spiritual life to have the least hunger and thirst for Him !

Now what logically would happen if you called a dead person, a person without life to you ? He would not respond ! Where there is no life, there can be no motion, Lazarus could not have come forth, if Christ did not [by miracle grace] first give him Life !

beloved57
August 4th, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

When my Lord Jesus Christ spake this "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me " He is actually saying, All the Father gives Him, Namely His Bride, Shall Believe in Him; Those are the same as many as the Father gave Him out of all Flesh as per Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Christ guarantees they [ the ones given Him] shall Believe in Him, and that they should never be cast out or perish in their sins !

Cast Out as these will be Matt 22:13

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 25:30

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

We have here from Jesus very mouth, the Gospel of Election, The Effectual Call and Final reservation unto Glory !

beloved57
August 4th, 2012, 06:17 PM
Rom 5:1

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

This text, Rom 5:1 can be understood, without any harm to context, can very well be read by placing the comma after Justified, and hence Read Rom 5:1

Therefore being justified, by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

The phrase " Therefore being Justified" looking back to the word Justified or Justification in Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Since this Justification was and evidence of the accomplishment of the Death of Christ having satisfied God"s Law and Justice for the offences of the Elect !

Now by Faith we come to know of this established peace and Justification we have with God.

For the Apostles purpose throughout the context is to make known the Redemptive Blessings of Christ's Blood Rom 3:24-25

24 [B]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

For Justification before God is by Christ's Blood alone Rom 5:9 but our peace in believing is by Faith Rom 15:13

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Also the word therefore, means something to the proper sense of Rom 5:1, it calls for a looking back conclusively to what was stated just prior to, and that being the evidence of our Justification out from the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ Rom 4:25 !

beloved57
August 7th, 2012, 08:20 AM
Eph 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Blessed with all spiritual blessings [God's Best Blessings] in Christ. Now when did this blessing occur ? It occurred first of all, according to one's Election or being chosen in Him before the foundation, for it was then that Grace [which contains the all spiritual blessings] was given or bestowed on us in Him before the World began 2 Tim 1:9; Then it is later in time, and according to God's Purpose of Grace, those Blessings are bestowed or given us again, this time by an effectual call of Grace Gal 1:15

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

Note, though Paul was an Apostle, nevertheless he is called by Grace as an Member of the Body of Christ, the Church !

Called by the Gospel through the Working of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

All the Grace given in time as per 1 Cor 1:4

4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

Is nothing but meeting the purpose of it being given us before time 2 Tim 1:9, and so Paul Thanks God for the grace given them in Christ Jesus, for it was now being manifested, for He knew it was first given them in Christ before the World began !

beloved57
August 7th, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jn 3:14-16

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Believing in Christ here has been likened unto how the stung jews were to look upon the serpent and live and not die ; However this does speak to the Truth's of Election and Particular Redemption, in that this remedy or cure was not for everyone in the world without exception, but only for God's called and chosen people Israel, for we read of no provision for any other people, secondly, it was only for those jews that were appointed not to die, for just before, many of them died from the plague of the scorpions, and thirdly, all whom were to look and live was to first have to be stung, indicating that God would purpose that to happen in His providence, similar to how the Holy Spirit Convicts of sin, all whom He reveals Christ their Saviour to ! So Christ was lifted up for only those God has spared Jer 50:20

In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

For them to Look to and Live !

beloved57
August 7th, 2012, 12:58 PM
Matt 7:15-18

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

A Good Tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a diseased tree or a poisonous tree brings forth evil fruit.

How can we that are evil by nature, born of that corruptible seed adam, how can we bring forth good fruit of faith, repentance, would not the tree first need to be made good ,m in order to bring forth good fruit, for only the good ground bears good fruit Matt 13:23


23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

beloved57
August 8th, 2012, 07:37 AM
Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Perhaps no other scripture in the bible has been under satanic attack than this one, and yet it does give us to understand as to why some men believe the Truth, along with this one as well Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

The scripture in acts associates believing with Election before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 and 2 Thess 2:13 being chosen to salvation from the beginning; and so it teaches only 'as many as" were ordained to Life Eternal Believed, their believing or Faith was but the fruit of that ordination. This was similar to being ordained to walk in good works Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

For believing is but a work of the mind and heart of the renewed inward man. Now many adversaries of the truth, who do handle the word deceitfully, tell us that men that believe ordained themselves to eternal life, which is nothing but a lie, for men dead in trespasses and sins cannot ordain themselves to eternal life, but they were ordained passively outside of time, yes before the world began, when Eternal Life had been promised them in their Surety Head Christ Jesus Titus 1:2

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

For those who pervert Acts 13:48 and teach that the person ordains themselves to Life Eternal, then they teach a work salvation accomplished by what the person did !

So thats the reason for unbelievers and false believers, because they never were ordained By God to Life Eternal !

beloved57
August 9th, 2012, 06:21 AM
Isa 60:21

21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

All God's People shall be Righteous and possess the Land forever ! This People are all those that shall be made Righteous by the Obedience of the God Man Jesus Christ, The Church of God, His Body Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Simply put, all or everyone Christ died for shall be made Righteous [experientially] and shall inherit the Land forever, which is to be understood as Eternal Life, that Eternal Kingdom as here 2 Pet 1:11

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

That New heavens and Earth wherein dwelleth Righteousness 2 Pet 3:13

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

This also gives us to know and understand, that the unrighteous who shall not inherit the Kingdom as stated here 1 Cor 6:9-10

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

These were not God's People; for they belonged to their father the devil !

But the Righteous that do, they are the Works of God's Hands, that He may Be Glorified forever and ever through Jesus Christ !

beloved57
August 10th, 2012, 10:28 PM
1 Cor 1:30

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

When it says that Jesus shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, that it what it means, for Christ is a complete Saviour for His People !

But what is this Sanctification ? The word is also translated five times in the NT as Holiness, one of which Heb 12:14

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness or sanctification, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Sanctification is that inherent grace or spiritual enablement to Live unto God, for without this sanctification we would never come to God, so it is that we come to God by Him Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

This sanctification principle is communicated to each one Christ died for, by virtue of His Resurrection from the Dead as Per Peter 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Notice how the same greek prep by is used, which is dia meaning because of or on account of !

Now on account of Christ's Resurrection from the dead, all for whom He died are begotten again. The word begotten is the greek word anagennaō and means:


to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

Yes, that New Life that conforms us to the Holy Will of God, is Christ being made unto us sanctification, its through New Birth because of His Resurrection, and with such New Life, the first evidence of it is that we come to God !

It is by this sanctification by Christ made unto us, that we are able to perform habits of Grace and Spiritual duties, and so Christ reminds His Church, that without me you can do nothing [of spiritual good or value] Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

beloved57
August 11th, 2012, 05:31 PM
With us as God's creatures of time, there with us is a past, present , and future, but not so with God, for He is always Present, at all times and in all places, and no other Being this can be said of. Our present now, was in God's Presence even before the World began and time began as we as creatures know it. Things that are yet future with us, is Present for God !

beloved57
August 14th, 2012, 12:58 PM
Rom 4:6

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

The Blessed man whom God imputeth righteousness without works ! The word works here is the greek word ergon and means:


business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Basically all this means without any conditions whatsoever !

This Imputing of Righteousness is for Christ's Sake, and it must as an effect, make those Righteous for whom it has been imputed. The Imputation of it is operative and conveying because it is Almighty God doing the reckoning and it is the end result of being made Righteous before God, by Christ's Obedience alone, nothing of them required, no obedience of their own Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Not the Obedience of the One + our obedience of Faith as in Rom 16:26


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

This obedience of faith is the same as that Paul speaks of in Rom 10:3

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

This obedience of Faith is not a condition for the Imputation of Righteousness of Rom 4:6, because if it was, then it would contradict the very Truth that Paul is making, which is that God imputeth it without Works ! However that Imputeth Righteousness is the guide the Holy Spirit goes by to make one experientially Righteous by New Birth !

beloved57
August 18th, 2012, 01:46 PM
Rom 3:31

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

How do Believers Establish the Law ? It is by Faith that the Believer establishes the Law, by having it revealed to them of their total inability to yield the least obedience to it in themselves, and that Christ has on their behalf yielded a Perfect Obedience thereunto, and hath magnified and made it honorable Isa 42:21

The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Their only plea is His Obedience as their Surety and Head in their stead, and also in their stead He satisfied the demands of its' Justice. This is also Paul's meaning in Rom 8:3-4

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

And so all the Righteous Requirements of God's Holy Law are fulfilled in us and not BY US, who walk not according to the flesh, but after the Spirit [In New Birth], that is by the Spiritual fruit of Faith in what the Spirit has revealed to them regarding the finished work of Christ on their behalf and the glorious settlements of God's Law for us, and Christ's Righteousness laid to our Charge, and this Faith in Christ, which is the Gift of God, gives the Highest Honor possible to God's law and its fulfillment through Jesus Christ Our Lord !

beloved57
August 21st, 2012, 02:11 AM
Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Those who receive Everlasting Life, they receive it as a Gift bestowed, solely through Jesus Christ, and as many as were ordained to it [Acts 13:48] it had been promised to them Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

beloved57
August 21st, 2012, 03:03 AM
The Law of God is good when used lawfully, when it does not contradict the freeness of Eternal Life by the Grace of God. We are in grievous error however when we make the Law of God to be a conditional means of obtaining Salvation and or Sanctification, all who do, are under the curse of it.

Everyone Christ died for, is dead to the Law., that is in a matter of it being a condition of salvation, for Christ has on their behalf fulfilled all its Holy Requirements, every jot and tittle, He has satisfied it completely on their behalf in Holy Obedience unto it, also He has suffered it's curse and punishment for those He died for, has satisfied all of God's Justice for them regarding it,m and their transgressions against it, and so the Doctrine of Faith saith that we are dead to the law, how ? By the Body of Christ, meaning His Life in the flesh up to death Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Also to the same purport Gal 2:19

19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Christ has fulfilled the law in Behalf of all for whom He died Rom 10:4

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Those who are brought to Faith in Christ have had it revealed to them that Christ has for their sake, satisfied all of God's law and Justice for them, and hence they are enabled to Live by Faith of that ,which is Living unto God, or bringing fruit unto God. This is because the Laws Highest Honor of Glorifying God came through the Lord Jesus Christ's Obedience unto it on behalf of God's Elect Isa 42:21

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

God given Faith embraces God's being well pleased for His Righteousness sake, because Christ is the Only One to Magnify His law and make it Honorable before God, not even a unfallen Adam could have accomplished this Honorable End unto God's law !

beloved57
August 21st, 2012, 06:34 AM
The resurrected Christ, does continue to live on earth, fulfilling His Redemptive Purposes, by Living in His Members of His Body, who did die with Him when He was Crucified for them Gal 2:20

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

And so His Members that do remain, must be quickened with His Resurrected Life 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. See Jn 5:21; Jn 6:63; 1 Cor 15:22

So that they should live by Him living in them to accomplish the Will of God ! He Lives in the ones He redeems by being unto them a Life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45, this is the Life He promised to give all His Sheep Jn 10:10-11

I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

beloved57
August 23rd, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


The World here that God so Loved and gave His Son in behalf of, is a very specific World, for in the original the world is preceded by the definite article, indicating it is a definite specific world !

"Outwv gar hgaphsen (5656) o qeov ton kosmon, "

We clarify this because there is a specific world that Christ did not give Himself for Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

egw peri autwn erwtw; (5719) ou peri tou kosmou

This World is obvious different from the one that He gave Himself in Behalf of !

The World that God so Loved, and that Christ Loved and Gave Himself for, is the World of His Church Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

We understand this because those whom God Loved in Jn 3:16, Christ also Loved in Eph 5:25, and Christ Himself is God.

In the original its the Church with the definite article:

Oi andrev, agapate (5720) tav gunaikav, kaqwv kai o Xristov hgaphsen (5656) thn ekklhsian kai eauton paredwken (5656) uper authv,




You see the word world [kosmos] has various meanings, one of which is:


an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:
the world, the universe
the circle of the earth, the earth
the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)
of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

The Church is a World because it falls under the definition of world here as a collection of particulars. In this case it is a collection of the called out ones ! The word Church in the original is ekklēsia Ek means out of and kaleō to call, the called out ones as in Rom 9:24


24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?



a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly

an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating

the assembly of the Israelites = World

any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously
in a Christian sense

an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting

a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order's sake

those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body

the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth
the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven

So, all of the called out ones from among the jews and gentiles, that form the Church, is the World that God Loved and gave His Son for, and the World that the Son Loved and gave Himself for, that He :

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Thats how they become Believers. And technically, that is What John 3:16 is saying, that God gave His Son for those Believing, pretty simple, all who believe in Him is whom He gave Himself for, and they constitute a World !

beloved57
August 24th, 2012, 08:55 AM
Matt 16:17-19

17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

The disciples of Christ, save the traitor judas, that the scripture may be fulfilled [ See Jn 17:12], they were given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven; That is they were given by Christ their Risen Saviour and Lord great authority spiritually, that they now sit upon Thrones Judging the Twelve Tribes of Israel, Which is also the Church or the Israel of God, the Body of Christ Gal 6:16

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God or the Church of God.

They more than any others were equipped by the Holy Spirit to be able to precisely make Judgments in regards to Faith and Practice of the Body of Christ, and the remaining Body of Christ or Israel of God should believe on Christ through THEIR WORD as Per Jn 17:19-20

19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[a] believe in Me through their word;

Nothing has changed from the New Testament Era, and such as should Be Saved shall continue in the Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship Acts 2:42

And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.

All understanding of the OT and its fulfillment , should come from the Apostles Doctrines alone, for if not, we fall into private interpretation ! All matters of Salvation, Justification and Faith, and Christian practice, even eschatology should be understood from the Teachings of the Apostle's who were given the Keys of the Kingdom by the Lord Jesus Christ. They are the princes here Isa 32:1

[ A Reign of Righteousness ] Behold, a king[Jesus Christ] will reign in righteousness, And princes[The Apostles] will rule with justice.

The Twelve Apostles to include he that was born out of due time Paul, enjoyed the Highest Authority and Power in the Israel of God, and this continues through their sacred epistles ! Remember it is First Apostles set up in the Church Eph 4:10-12

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ or the Israel of God:

1 Cor 12:28

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Everything after the Apostles is merely secondarily, that goes for pastors and etc..

beloved57
August 24th, 2012, 11:30 AM
The Keys to the Kingdom was also that they were given direct Inspiration of God to write the very words of God and it was given of both Christ and the Father and The Spirit so much authority, that John was able to say 1 Jn 4:6

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

For instance it is said of scripture 2 Tim 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And it is said of Paul's Epistles 2 Pet 3:15-16

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Compare Johns Words in 1 Jn 4:6 with Jesus words here Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

What is similar ?

beloved57
August 24th, 2012, 10:39 PM
Eph 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

Faithful here is the greek word pistos an adjective that means:

trusty, faithful

a) of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties

b) one who kept his plighted faith, worthy of trust

c) that can be relied on

2) easily persuaded

a) believing, confiding, trusting

b) in the NT one who trusts in God's promises

1) one who is convinced that Jesus has been raised from the dead

2) one who has become convinced that Jesus is the Messiah and author of salvation

It is translated to the word believe here 2 Cor 6:15

15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

The Faithful is anyone who has been saved by the Grace of God through Faith Eph 2:8. It is all who have through New Birth believed on Jesus Christ and who is continuing to believe on Him. Scripture is clear that all who be of Faith are blessed with Faithful Abraham Gal 3:9

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Also Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Abraham's Seed is the Faithful, that is His believing Seed ! All who are of Faith, as Abraham was, they are kept in Faith by the Power of God 1 Pet 1:5

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The Faithful are simply Believers in Christ and the Saints Eph 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

This same combination is used here in the OT scripture Ps 31:23

O love the LORD, all ye his saints: for the LORD preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer.

beloved57
August 28th, 2012, 11:40 AM
1 Cor 15:47

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

When the Lord Jesus Christ was raised from the dead or quickened as One with His Body Eph 2:5-6 or His Church or His Sheep, so He was raised as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20, because it was that same Great Shepherd He died for the Sheep Jn 10:11,15, but now as the risen Head and Shepherd or quickening Shepherd 1 Cor 15:45. Because of their Union in Death and Resurrection, The last Adam, as evidence of their Union and His Saving Death, He must and does quicken all His Dead Members or Sheep with that resurrected Life they are in Union with Him up above, and so we read Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

This quickening is also known as New Birth or Regeneration, nevertheless, He [Christ] does impart Spiritual Life in them [By the Spirit], also by this they are passed from death to life Jn 5:24; Col 1:13, for this working is a benefit of their Election Union with Him Eph 2:6, and their subsequent quickening from Spiritual Death Eph 2:5 is proof or evidence of the same !

beloved57
August 30th, 2012, 06:27 AM
Jer 31:34

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Heb 8:11

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

For who are these, that shall all know the Lord ? It is for all for whom Christ a Covenantal Death for, its a Blessing an Effect of the New Covenant that is in Christ's Blood Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament[covenant], which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Notice how here the mention of remission of sin is present as it is in Jer 31:34 !

This knowing here is a Spiritual and Saving Knowing of the True God, and not merely a nominal knowing as in Rom 1:21

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

But the Knowing that Jesus said His Sheep shall have of Him Jn 10:14

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Its a Special revelatory Knowing of God the Father and Son Matt 11:27

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Folks, to be Honest, without this Special Covenant Knowledge of God and Christ, they are Mysteries to mankind !

And it was to this end [A Saving Knowledge] that He [ Christ] died and finished His Work of the Covenant Jn 17:3-4

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Its a Knowing that delivers those Christ died for from zealous , and religious ignorance Rom 10:2-3

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

But Praise be to God for the Lord Jesus Christ, and by His Covenantal Death it has secured unto all for whom He died a Saving Knowledge of God Prov 11:9

An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.

John Gill comments on this verse:


(1 Timothy 4:1,2) ; but through knowledge shall the just be delivered;
from the hypocrite and deceitful worker, and from being corrupted and destroyed by the words of his mouth: Jarchi says, through the knowledge of the law, which warns against him; but rather through the knowledge of the Gospel, which the just man has; for as by this such escape the pollutions of the world, so likewise they are delivered, are kept and secured, from the error of the wicked: through a man's knowledge of himself, of his descent from Adam, of the corruption of his nature, of the plague of his heart, and the exceeding sinfulness of sin; of his lost and undone state; of his impotency to that which is good, of his incapacity to fulfil the law, and atone for sin; and of the insufficiency of his own righteousness to justify him before God; he is delivered and preserved from giving into the notions of the purity of human nature, the power of free will, and the doctrine of justification by works: through his knowledge of the person of Christ; of his offices and relations; of him as a Saviour; of the efficacy of his blood, the excellency of his righteousness, and the completeness of his sacrifice; and through the knowledge of God in Christ, and of the Spirit and of his operations of grace, as well as of the sacred Scriptures in general; he is safe from being carried away with any errors concerning any of the divine Persons, particularly concerning the deity, sonship, and satisfaction of Christ; in short, as ignorance is the mother of devotion, superstition, and error, in the church of Rome, spiritual experimental knowledge of the above things is the best preservative from all errors and heresies which corrupt and destroy the souls of men, to be found in that apostate church, or elsewhere.

beloved57
August 31st, 2012, 10:17 AM
Christ underwent the Wrath of God for the sins of the Elect !

Rom 2:6-9

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Now if Christ did not suffer nothing of the Wrath of God, in His Vicarious Sufferings and Death upon the Cross for God's People

Then His Sufferings of God's Vindictiveness fir the sins of those He took the place of, were not as severe, and considerably less than what shall be rendered as the Wrath of God in the Coming day of Wrath.

For Christ had it rendered unto Him for the sins of the Elect, according to their deeds, for He was constituted a hell deserving sinner as they were by nature, and he suffered the equitable wrath they deserved and as the non elect deserve and will receive as Rom 2:6-9 informs us.

Anyone teaching against this, has no light in them !

For His bearing the Wrath of God in their behalf, is what delivered them from His Wrath 1 Thess 1:10

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, [B]which delivered us from the wrath to come.

beloved57
September 1st, 2012, 05:29 PM
Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Who is this Blessed Man , that God will not impute sin ! The word impute here means " to take into account" , He will not take his sins into account or charge against him !

Now hear this, this applies to any man or woman, for whom Christ died, because the due punishment of their sins has already been imputed ,laid to the account, charged to and upon Christ. If 1 Cor 15:3 be true : For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

If this be true in any sense, then the sins of those whom Paul declares as " Our Sins " had to be imputed to Christ, laid to His Charge, in order to satisfy God's Law and Justice Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him or cause to fall upon Him the iniquity of us all.

Hence, anyone Christ died for is described here Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Now its inescapable anyone whom God does not impute sin, they are Blessed and their sin, lawless deeds are forgiven, and this apart from them doing anything, for God did it all !

beloved57
September 1st, 2012, 06:22 PM
What was highlighted before about who the blessed man is in Rom 4:8, well the same principle applies to this World that God does not impute sin 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

You see, this World is merely the gathering together into one, all the men of Rom 4:7-8. The World of 2 Cor 5:19 is exempt from any punishment of sin, which is quite contrary to the World in View in 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

For this truth condemns the satanic lie of Universalism, because Two Different Worlds are in view and distinct, One that is forgive by non imputation and its sends are covered, and one that is condemned, which will be evidenced in the day of Judgment.

For we preach 2 Cor 5:19 falsely or deceitfully if we hold back the Truth that the World in View there is Eternally forgiven, by the simple consequences of God's non imputation, we must make it clear that this world has no punishment due for its many sins, for Christ hath already taken them away ! Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

beloved57
September 3rd, 2012, 01:18 PM
Acts 16:30-32

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.


Yes Paul was correct in what he stated to the Jailor, for the Jailor under conviction of the Holy Ghost, cried out what must I do to be saved, which is but a reasonable request for anyone under Holy Conviction for sin, Just like the jews on the day of Pentecost, under Holy Ghost conviction cried out Acts 2:37

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

And Paul responded with the imperative, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. For now was the opportune time by the providence of God for Paul to speak forth the word of the Lord, the Gospel of Christ to an inquiring Soul Acts 16:32

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Now upon speaking the Gospel to the Jailor, Paul would explain the Person and Work of Jesus Christ from scripture, like Philip did here Acts 8:31-35

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Preaching Jesus Christ means to explain who He is, what has He done or accomplished by His Work of the Cross, for whom He did it for, and Why !

Paul would not command a soul to believe on Christ without Preaching the Gospel according to scripture 1 Cor 15:3.

If after the preaching of the Gospel the Jailor did believe ,obey the command to believe on Christ, then he was saved by Christ, his obeying the command to believe was evidence of him being in a saved state, or else how could he had believed the preaching of the Cross, which to the unsaved perishing man is foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved or being saved it is the power of God.

So Acts 16:31 is not teaching a man gets saved by his doing or by his obeying a command, that is salvation by works and Law, only those who wrest scripture to their destruction preach such a false gospel !

For the Jailor no more got saved by his act of obedience to believe on Christ as the jews got saved by their act of obedience in getting baptized in Acts 2:37-38

beloved57
September 8th, 2012, 02:18 AM
Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

A Person who lives by Faith of Jesus Christ , is one who by Faith see's and knows themselves in Christ Jesus, and that it in Him he has perfectly obeyed the Law of God in every detail, Jot and tittle, and that in Him, he has had all his sins perfectly satisfied in regards to God's Law and Justice, and that in Him, not in himself, he is perfect and righteous before God in Love. This is the person or persons that Live by Faith, and walks after the Spirit of Gospel revelation of a righteousness of God laid to their Charge, and all others walk according to the flesh, no matter how religious, moral and sincere and upright before men they are !

beloved57
September 10th, 2012, 09:19 AM
Col 2:6

As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

This word receive has been so twisted by false teachers, as to mean, something has been offered, and now a choice must be made to whether or not one will take it or receive it or reject it. That is not what that word means many times, and that is not what it means in Col 2:6. It is the greek word paralambanō and is defined:


to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self

a) an associate, a companion

b) metaph.

1) to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be

2) not to reject, not to withhold obedience

2) to receive something transmitted

a) an office to be discharged

b) to receive with the mind

1) by oral transmission: of the authors from whom the tradition proceeds

2) by the narrating to others, by instruction of teachers (used of disciples)

It normally means in things spiritual to receive something transmitted or to receive with the mind !

Something that has been conveyed or bequeathed or revealed.

Remember Paul said God revealed His Son in him Gal 1:16

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Thats how Paul received Christ. Christ was not offered to him.

Speaking of receiving the Gospel, he said it was by Revelation Gal 1:12

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

In Jn 1:12

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Receiving here again is not that he came and offered Himself to all and its up to you to accept Him or no, such foolishness is nothing but satanic

The receiving here means believing on Him, It also meant that He was revealed to them as here Matt 16:16-17


16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matt 11:27

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Just as the Father revealed the Son Matt 16:17

The receiving is an act of the soul or conscience, its not an outward receiving as with someone handing you something with their hand as an offer, but a conscience receiving as to something made known to the heart or mind.

This is the ideal also of receiving in Acts 10:43

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

This act of receiving is a matter of having remission of sins revealed. Now the basis for ones remission of sins and forgiveness is not their receiving the knowledge of it, but its an accomplishment on their behalf by the Blood of Christ, The Testament in His Blood Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Grant it, those to whom this is for can only receive it by Faith, but again that means just the knowledge of it Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

In other words , Experiential Salvation consiteth in having a Knowledge of our Remission of sins communicated unto us ! And so then we receive remission of sins Acts 10:43

But again, ones receiving it is not the cause of it, only the Blood of Christ gets that Honor !

beloved57
September 10th, 2012, 03:38 PM
1 Cor 15:48-49

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

That the Elect of God did bare the image of the man of the earthy [Adam], this is a testimony to their Union with him ! So in like manner, those who shall bear the image of the man from heaven, proves that they had a pre existing Union with Him ! In other words, in order to have beared the image of Adam, is proof of ones election in Adam by the purpose of God, so to bear the image of Christ is indicative of their election in Him, which Eph 1:4 bears out Eph 1:4 as well as Rom 8:28-30

beloved57
September 12th, 2012, 06:36 PM
Are Faith and Repentance required in Salvation ? Yes they are requirements for the conversion experience evidence, they are duties to be performed by those who are born again as evidences of having been given Covenant blessings through the meritorious Person and Work o Jesus Christ. To know whether or not one has been given repentance by Jesus Christ their Saviour as Per Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Then the command to repent is given Acts 17:30

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Repentance and Faith were given by or through the New Birth which is through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The word begotten again is the greek word anagennaō and means:


to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

This " to have one's mind changed" is to give repentance !

So yes, evangelical obedience is required as an EVIDENCE and FRUIT of Christ's Redemptive Cross Work. It is to this reason that evangelical obedience Faith and Repentance are required evidences of Salvation.

The Apostles of Christ, upon them Preaching the Gospel of God's Grace, that those believing and being baptized was evidence of them being in a saved state, as was those not believing was evidence of being in a lost state.

The difference from what I am teaching here and what false teachers teach, is the false teachers teach that Faith and Repentance are requirements for salvation that men perform in order to get saved, Whereas I teach that Repentance and Faith are requirements to give evidence of already being in a saved state !

beloved57
September 13th, 2012, 05:08 AM
God is well pleased with all for whom Christ died ! For the sake of Christ's meritorious death, and it alone, God is well pleased with all His Elect for the simple fact, that which did alienate them from Him was their Transgressions, their Sins against His Law Isa 59:2

But when Christ's by Death, satisfied God's Law and Justice on their behalf, this effected their reconciliation back into God's favour Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The word reconciled here is the greek word Katallasso and means:

to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
to reconcile (those who are at variance)
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
to receive one into favour

It means to receive one into favor

It is now with God concerning them, based upon the Merits of Christ Death alone, as though they never sinned, even though being born by nature sinners and enemies, so this being reconciled to God is solely attributed to the Death of Christ, even while they themselves in themselves are unworthy of such favor, Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

This verse tells us what all for whom Christ died have freely of God, for Christ's sake, even while they are unbelievers ! That is how meritorious the Death of Christ is before God's Law and Justice for everyone Christ died !

beloved57
September 13th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Jesus Christ present spiritual reign or rule according to 1 Pet 3:22

22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

This s also a powerful verse against the false teaching of mans freewill !

The word authorities is the greek word exousia and means:


power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases

a) leave or permission

2) physical and mental power

a) the ability or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises

3) the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege)

4) the power of rule or government (the power of him whose will and commands must be submitted to by others and obeyed)

Everyones power of choice have been made subject to Him ! The word subject is the greek word hypotassō:


to arrange under, to subordinate

2) to subject, put in subjection

3) to subject one's self, obey

4) to submit to one's control

5) to yield to one's admonition or advice

6) to obey, be subject


Have been arranged under Him to obedience !

Also Eph 1:22

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

The Lord Jesus Christ upon His final Ascension, He took possession of His Spiritual Kingdom, which is the Church 1 Cor 15:24

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

And He presently rules over all in Heaven ad Earth Matt 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

In Hell,m all men and angels, an devils are all in subjection to Him, to serve His purpose and interest at His Sovereign Command, all of which are obedient to His Purposes !

beloved57
September 14th, 2012, 06:10 AM
Lk 13:23-24

23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matt 7:13-14

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Jesus is speaking from the perspective of the Eternal Purpose of God as to who is purposed to be saved by Him 2 Tim 1:9


9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Yes, there shall be a great multitude saved that no man can number, but never the less it is still comparatively few when compared to them that God purposed should be damned !

beloved57
September 14th, 2012, 09:04 PM
Rom 7:18

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Paul said of all men by nature or in the flesh Rom 3:12

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

How can a man of the flesh, meaning, one simply born of only of a woman, how can that one do good, as to believing on Christ unto Salvation ? How did they do something that pleases God Heb 11:6 in the flesh ?

Paul even as true converted believer admitted to his inability by the power of the flesh to do good Rom 7:18

"but how to perform that which is good I find not"

How can a unspiritual person in the flesh perform something spiritual ? The law of God is Spiritual Rom 7:14

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Now if the Law is Spiritual, How much more is the Gospel ? Paul speaking of sowing the Gospel Message says 1Cor 9:11

If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

How can a carnal, fleshly man receive spiritual things and submit to them ? Its not scriptural for him to do such !

beloved57
September 20th, 2012, 11:09 AM
1 Jn 5:11

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

The word record here is the greek word martyria and means:


a testifying

a) the office committed to the prophets of testifying concerning future events

2) what one testifies, testimony, i.e. before a judge

Now God has given a Testimony, That He has given some Eternal Life in His Son.

First lets look at the word given, it is not meant as many false witnesses teach it, as an offer, a making something available, for there is no such lie recorded in the scripture that presents Eternal Life as an offer; for its premised on a Promise Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

2 Tim 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus[1 Jn 5:11],

1 Jn 2:25

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Now Titus 1:2 has us to know that it was a promise made before the world began, for it was a Promise made to the Surety of the Everlasting Covenant, that all for whom He died and fulfilled all the conditions of the Covenant in behalf of, that they be given Eternal Life, not offered. The Next word to look at is US in 1 Jn 5:11 " Hath given Us Eternal Life" Now who are the Us ?

#1. The Us are the "as many as" the Father hath given in Election Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

#2 The Us are the Sheep Jn 10:26-29

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


#3 Believers Jn 3:16 and Acts 13:48 and believing is not an condition to get eternal life, but the outcome of having been given it as it was promised to them believing, as they were in Christ their Covenant Head, when it was promised to Him for them before the world began Titus 1:2, and so they had been ordained to Eternal Life through their Eternal Union with the Covenant Head, Christ Jesus 2 Tim 1:9 !

So the conclusion is this, anyone preaching or teaching or testifying that Eternal Life is a indiscriminate free for all offer to all mankind, they are Liars, and except God grant them repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth, they are on their way to Eternal doom in the lake of Fire, with all liars ! Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

beloved57
September 22nd, 2012, 04:19 PM
Faith is not a condition man meets in order for God to fulfill a promise to that person, that is a false witness as to what True Faith is, but True Faith is taking God at His Word of Promise ! This principle is demonstrated with Sarah,Abraham's Wife; For God had made a promise that she would have a Son, and upon hearing of this promise for the first time, Sarah laughed in unbelief, because physically she was not able, so all natural reasoning was not able to embrace this Promise of God. Gen 18:8-15

8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

9 And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.

10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.

11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?


13 And the Lord said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

14 Is any thing too hard for the Lord? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

15 Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.

Now moving ahead, What changed Sarah's attitude of unbelief to the testimony of scripture later given her here Heb11:11

11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

Now we know from the outset that Sarah did not judge Him Faithful who had promised, Just read again Gen 18:8-15, So what happened ? Now understand this, God's Promise to give Sarah and Abraham a Son, was not contingent upon their belief or faith, for the Promise was Solely dependent Upon God's Ability and His Purpose and Time, for all of us are born into this world by Time and Purpose set by God Ecclesiastes 3:1-2

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

This was even True of the Lord Jesus Christ i n His Humanity, there was a set time for Him to be born Gal 4:4 and set time for Him to die Jn 12:23; So God was revealing or making known to Sarah and Abraham of a Birth that God had already purposed, the Birth of Issac, he was a Child promised, or a child of promise, whom his parents would be and the time of his birth were settled facts before the world began ! So what happened ? Its simple, God gave her Faith and Abraham to believe the promise, to rest in His word of promise and Divine Ability, and so It is, when God makes a promise to someone, no matter how improbable it may seem to flesh and blood, and the circumstances, but because God cannot lie, He then gives the Faith to believe in His Word or to take Him at His Word of Promise. God's Promising as He promised Eternal Life Titus 1:1-2, will eventually work or cause Faith in the ones promised to, so they rest in His Ability, and this is a Spiritual Blessing, not a Natural one, that is seen by not only Sarah's initial unbelief, but also Abraham at first doubted the Promise Gen 17:15-17, But God did give them both to give Him Glory and Trust His Ability and promise Rom 4:19-21

19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

So ones unbelief in God's Promise does not hinder God's faithfulness, but God's Faithfulness will cause them to change from unbelief to Faith and to give Him the Glory !

beloved57
September 24th, 2012, 08:38 AM
Gal 3:23-24


23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


A Man is Justified by Faith or Revelation apart from the works of the law, which simply means, those whom Christ died for, they whom had their sins laid to His Charge and He Justified them Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.[Because they were imputed to Him]

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This verse is saying the same thing Isa 53:11 is saying !

And so those whom Christ died for, and Justified, these will all have their free Justification revealed to them or made known to them, and so they find out that they are Justified before God apart from them personally meeting any conditions or any performances of their own, any obedience of theirs.

That is what it means to be Justified by Faith apart the works of the Law Rom 3:28

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Thats what Eph 2:8 and Gal 2:16 means ! Even if we argue that we are Justified by Faith in Christ, it makes no difference, because we put Faith in Christ only after having Christ revealed in us Gal 1:16

To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Its only after having Him revealed IN US that we have Faith in Him, and having Christ revealed in us is a Gospel Revelation Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The word revealed is the same word here in Rom 1:17 as in Gal 1:16, whereas in the Gospel He is revealed as to be our Righteousness before God, then we are Justified by Faith, when we rest in what has been made known as to be True already in the Judgment of God !

beloved57
September 24th, 2012, 03:09 PM
Matt 1:1

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Jesus Christ had a generation as did Adam Gen 5:1


This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Jesus has a seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

His seed and His generation are the same Ps 22:30

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation

So as Adam had a generation, so also did Christ, and as men were in Adam's generation, by the decree and purpose of God, were born at God's appointed time physically, so are men, that are of Christ's generation are born again at God's appointed time and decree.

For instance, God had appointed a time in His decree of purpose when Noah would be born physically into this world, as he [Noah] was part of the generation of Adam Gen 5:28-29

28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.

Noah was born at the exact time that God's Purpose had set, Ecclesiastes 3:1-2

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Noah's time of birth in God's Purpose was not a day early or late, Noah was purposed in the generation of Adam, and so it is with the generation of Christ, Isa 53:10; Ps 22:30, for each member of that generation has a decreed time, according to God's Purpose to be born again of incorruptible seed, to be begotten again 1 Pet 1:3, according to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ 2 Tim 1:9 ! Paul is an example of this timing according to God's Purpose 1 Cor 15:8

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Paul's New Birth was according to a Divine Time table as to when Paul would commence his apostleship for the cause of Christ.

Now when Noah was born of Lamech, it was an evidence that Noah was part of the generation of Adam that God Created in Adam Gen 5:1ff; and everyone who mis begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, it is evidence they were part of that generation of Christ Ps 22:30; 1 Pet 2:9

beloved57
September 27th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Remission of sins is also Justification before God because, solely on the basis of Christ's Blood Shed alone, and apart from any Work of the Holy Spirit on us or in us, Our sins are abolished out of God's Sight Isa 43:25;44:22 and because of that fact alone, we [whom Christ died for] are made free from all sin, from all transgressions against His Law which we do commit by the minute, yet by Remission of sins by the Blood of Christ, God sees not spot or taint of our sin which we feel in us everyday ! Remission of sins makes us Perfect in God's sight, yet not in ourselves and before others; That is the result solely of God's forgiveness of sins by the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus Eph 1:7. Religious people who know not God, do not receive this Truth nor understand it !

beloved57
September 27th, 2012, 05:52 PM
In light of what has been said, how should we understand Acts 10:43

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 28:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

In light of the finished work of Christ and its accomplishment of the Forgiveness or Remission of sins Matt 26:28

The same is to be Preached or Announced in His Name or Through Him

Lk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:


This is extremely important that its clearly defined as Preaching, Announcing, Making Known what is done, and not offering remission of sin, or not making it available if you decide to take it or not, that's a false message, but the Doctrine is to be PREACHED Lk 24:47 and Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

See How Peter Preached it here ? He made it known to whom it was Given to, the Israel or Elect of God, so it was being Preached or Made Known to them ! That is whom it had been accomplished for, and it is through Gospel Preaching, it is to be made known to God's Redeemed people Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Remission of sins is salvation, even before we receive the Knowledge or intelligence of it, and so in this respect, everyone Christ died for, and because of it, Before God all their sins are remitted, and all them have Salvation ,no penalty for sin to pay, they have it even before it is announced to them by the Gospel preacher !

SeraphimsCherub
September 27th, 2012, 06:14 PM
So all those "Christians" who are trying to earn their salvation through the merit of their own works,and by thinking that they are keeping the law,and that their sin free,are doing thus:

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

How is it that they are crucifying to themselves the Son of God afresh? By trying to keep the law,which is the very thing that the SON OF GOD shed HIS BLOOD to free HIS people from. It's like spiting in GOD'S face,and saying YOUR sacrifice was not righteous enough,nor good enough for me. It wasn't sufficient enough for me, I a worm must still do my part to add unto it!

beloved57
September 29th, 2012, 10:12 AM
1 Tim 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Prov 8:22-23


22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

Note: Here from Everlasting and From the beginning are synonymous !

1 Tim 2:5, this scripture makes it without a doubt that Christ as Man, is the only Mediator, but when did He become the Mediator Man ? Was it by the Virgin Birth ? No, for then He became a babe, However, for whom I believe is the Mediator Christ speaking, gives us His origin here Prov 8:22-23

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

These are the Words of Wisdom, Christ the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

It can be concluded here in Prov 8, that Wisdom speaking is a Divine Being with intelligence, who does act independent and personally, which also has the affection of Love Prov 8:17, and that towards the Sons of men whom are His delight Prov 8:31

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. The Election of Grace, those given Him by the Father Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Heb 2:13

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

The children here and the Sons of men of Prov 8:31 are the same !

And that Christ the Mediator would delight in these sons of men, it is quite appropriate since He is their Mediator that has been set up vs 23.

He was set up for an Redemptive Purpose from everlasting Eph 3:11 and Col 1:14-16

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Notice, whom He purposed in Christ Jesus, which is the same Christ Jesus who is the Mediator 1 Tim 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Col 1:14-16

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

This World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ Jesus the Mediator, the God Man !

beloved57
September 29th, 2012, 02:02 PM
This Being of Christ as Mediator Man set up from everlasting, though Divine in this particular Character as Mediator, is not God, but the Mediator Man between God and Men, the Man Christ Jesus 1 Tim 2:5, yet in His Divine Nature He is God, the Word Jn 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So what occurred in Eternity was a merging of the Divine Word and the Begotten Son the Mediator Man, and this became a Hypostatic Union from Eternity and it was a foreshadowing of the Hypostatic Union He would have with flesh and Blood in the fullness of time !

So it was before the Creation of the World the Lord Jesus Christ was both the Eternal Word of God, Uncreated, Unbegotten and One in Divine Essence with the Father and the Spirit, and also the Begotten Son of God, brought forth into His Mediator[Man] role for the Elect of God, for the Church of God as well as its Surety and Covenant Head !

This is a deep Mystery revealed of the Person of Christ, something human wisdom could not have ever found out or discovered but by revelation !

beloved57
October 3rd, 2012, 11:17 AM
What about John 5:40


40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

This scripture must be understood within the overall scheme of Truth, for we know that Christ is well aware that those who do come to Him have been drawn by the Father Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Or that it must be given to them to come to Him as per Jn 6:37,65

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

So therefore, Jesus when speaking to those certain jews in Jn 5:40, He was merely acknowledging that to them, it was not the Fathers will to draw them to Himself, or frankly, they were not of His Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

beloved57
October 9th, 2012, 03:40 PM
Lk 1:67-68

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

Zacharias was looking to the Gospel Promise of God redeeming His People Israel as David foretold Ps 130:8

And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Now by the Spirit, Zach blessed God for having redeemed Israel from his iniquities at the sight of Christ !

The word redeemed here is the greek word lytrōsis and it means:

a ransoming, redemption

2) deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin

Its also in the aorist tense indicative mood which normally means simple past.


Aorist Tense
The aorist is said to be "simple occurrence" or "summary occurrence", without regard for the amount of time taken to accomplish the action. This tense is also often referred to as the 'punctiliar' tense. 'Punctiliar' in this sense means 'viewed as a single, collective whole,' a "one-point-in-time" action, although it may actually take place over a period of time. In the indicative mood the aorist tense denotes action that occurred in the past time, often translated like the English simple past tense. http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/verbs1.htm

However, the redemption here was not actually confirmed until the Death of Christ and the writer of Hebrews speaks of it here Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Though Christ had not yet shed His own Blood when Zacharias made the statement by the Holy Ghost, it was fulfilled in the Mind and Purpose of God whom it was that inspired Zach to speak the Words ! God can speak as so Rom 4:17

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God's Purposes that find fulfillment in time for creatures of time, is not the same as He that is Eternal and sees all things ,past, present and future, as a Eternal Present !

The Redemption of God's People was always a fulfilled fact in the Purpose and Mind of God !

beloved57
October 11th, 2012, 10:21 AM
Did Christ die for Judas the traitor ? Jesus said of Judas Jn 6:70

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

I emphasize the number one here because some will say that Christ called Peter a devil when He said this Matt 16:23

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

So if Jesus was calling Peter a devil here then Christ was mistaken in Jn 6:70 when He said quite clearly that of the Twelve only One was a devil, He should have said Two of you are devils !

Now, did Christ die for Judas the traitor devil ?

The answer is NO ! In fact there is no evidence in scripture that Christ died for anyone who does not become a believer and follower of Him at His Voice and who was of His Sheep. Scripture is clear in that it indicates that judas was not a believer in Christ as the other Disciples He chose to follow Him were; This is seen here Jn 6:64-65

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him [Thats the devil judas].

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father !

Now Jesus says later of those jews not believing on Him this Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Now since Jesus points out in Jn 6:64-65 that the one betraying Him was one that believeth not, then it leads to the conclusion that he was not of Christ's Sheep Jn 10:26 ! which scripture does testify that Christ did die for Jn 10:11,15

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

So there is no biblical evidence that judas iscariot was a believer, therefore a Sheep, and one for whom Christ died.

Now I know many who claim that Christ did die for judas the devil traitor because he was supposedly present at the Lords Supper when He spake the following Lk 22:18-23, and from a casual reading of this text it does appear that judas was among them when Christ stated for whom He was giving Himself in behalf of, however many debates have come arose on this, since when we compare all the accounts of this event with other Gospel writers, it seems to indicate that judas at the time the word were spoken ,had already left the room to do his devilish deed of betraying Christ; But if he by chance was still there with them and partook of the Lords supper with them ! Now if he was and the Lord did give him to eat and drink of His Body and Blood, then Christ gave it to a unbeliever, a devil that was about to betray Him ! Now notice Lk 22:21-22

21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!

Now what did Christ say about the one who was to betray Him earlier here ? Jn 6:64-65

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Hence judas would still be Identified as a unbeliever whom Jesus knew that would betray Him. This is serious here, because if Jesus in light of judas unbelief in Him, still administered to him the Lord's Supper, then why not administer the Lords Supper to all unbelievers ? If Christ did, why not follow His example ?

Now if judas was there as it is conjectured, then he was there in Unbelief, and Christ is clear why one does not believe in Him here Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not[including judas Jn 6:64], because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

And scripture testimony states that Christ gives His Life for His Sheep, but if judas did not believe, could not have been one, even up to the point of Lk 22, so the conclusion is, even if judas was present at lk 22:21-22 and heard Jesus words, they still did not apply to any but His Sheep. I personally do not believe Judas was even present at that time, but if he was, I cannot see Christ giving a unbeliever the Lord's Supper !

beloved57
October 12th, 2012, 11:06 PM
1 Jn 5:11

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

John here is writing to believers, however what He states applies to all the Church of God, the Election of Grace, The Body of Christ in General. This Eternal Life written here was actually given the Church in Christ their Mediator Head before the World began, and this is because Christ the Mediator Head did exist before the World began, and where there is a Head there is a Body ! This is Clear by scriptures 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

1 Tim 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Phil 2:5

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

All three of these scriptures Identify Christ Jesus the Mediator, and all speak of Him in that capacity before the World began as well as before His Incarnation !

beloved57
October 13th, 2012, 06:38 PM
Even though this Eternal Life was not given to the Body of Christ experimentally 1 Jn 5:11 before the World began, yet it was given to all them by Promise, hence we have Paul setting forth the promissory foundation to the Elect in His Epistle to Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

This constitutes all the Elect in Christ as Heirs of Promise, the Promise of Eternal Life 1 Jn 2:25

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

A Promise of God is binding and actual to the ones the promise of the Eternal Inheritance is made to; for God gave Abraham and his seed an Inheritance by Promise Gal 3:18

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Notice what the inspired text says very carefully, the Inheritance was given, not made available, not offered, but given by Promise . Here is the Promise Gen 17:8

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

So Eternal Life or the Eternal Inheritance, both are the same, was given us[The Church] before the World began, by Promise Titus 1:2

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised[Us] before the world began;

The Us is added because of the same point made by John here 1 Jn 2:25

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

beloved57
October 14th, 2012, 05:38 PM
This Eternal Life was actually given the Church in Christ their Mediator Head before the World Began. Now this is True because Christ their Mediator Head did exist before the World Began with the Glory of Mediator Jn 17:5


5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

This is clear also by 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

1 Tim 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Phil 2:5

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

All Three of these scriptures identify Christ Jesus the Mediator, all speak to Him in that Capacity before the World began or Was, as well as before His Incarnation into Flesh and Blood. Who can deny that 2 Tim 1:9 does indicate the being of Christ Jesus before the World began See Jn 17:5; Also Phil 2:5 points to Christ Jesus and the Mind of Humility He had before His Incarnation in Time, when He was in the Form of God as God Man Mediator, and of course 1 Tim 2:5 speaks to Him being Mediator between God and Men, which would mean He had to be Adams Mediator,since he began men in the Time state, and this is confirmed by Christ's voice here as the Wisdom of God Prov 8:22-25

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

This speaks of His Mediator Delights He had in the uncreated Sons of Men which would begin in Adam !

And so since Christ Jesus did exist before the Created World was Jn 17:5, which scriptures I have quoted speak to this fact, then those Chosen in Him before the foundation and were given Grace in Him before the World began, did have Eternal Life in Him Given them, which the Apostle John doth testify in 1 Jn 5:11-12

11 And this is the record, [B]that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

And Paul Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Again if the Inheritance was given by promise, then it was given in deed Gal 3:18

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham[And His Seed] by promise.

beloved57
October 18th, 2012, 05:15 PM
Rom 10:4

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

What this means, everyone for whom Christ died, no exceptions, there will come a time in their life, when the Righteousness of God imputed to their account will be revealed to them by the Gospel Rev 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

At which time they will begin to believe and understand that through the incarnation, that Christ was acting as their Representative and fulfilled all Righteousness Matt 3:15

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Yes notice Jesus words here as to why John the Baptizer was to suffer Him to be baptized by Water "it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness", But not for Himself, but for them He represented !

All the Righteousness He fulfilled here on earth to God's Law and Justice for those He represented, He also did carry it to Heaven to present it before His Father for their Justification Jn 16:10

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

It is this fact that is the foundation of His Advocacy Work of Intercession for all whom He died 1 Jn 2:1

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: Who is the Lord God Our Righteousness !

So all for whom Christ died shall believe and come to live by Faith in His Blood Rom 1:17 and Rom 3:25 !

Since all who come to Faith in Him or come to believe in Him, He did for them fulfill all Righteousness, and the Father is Well Pleased with all for whom He Represented, for Christ's Sake He is !

beloved57
October 23rd, 2012, 11:22 AM
John 17:21

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

What world is Jesus speaking of here ? One viable understanding could be the World of all Believers outside of the Apostles who were chosen messengers from among the jews that had a message to take to the world at large for the calling out of God's Elect from among the nations, that is the seed of Abraham from among the gentiles Matt 28:19-20; Lk 24:47;Jn 17:20; Gen 17:5-8; Gal 3:8

Or it could be the world of John 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

BTW Those whom the Father gave Him is also a World Jn 3:16, though not the same one He does not Pray for !

So it could be the World of the reprobate, whom at the Second Coming of Christ, when He comes to Judge the World in Righteousness Acts 17:31

31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

That then that reprobate world will come to believe and be condemned, because they received not the Love of the Truth that they might be saved, and so did send them a strong delusion so that they could believe what was false 2 Thess 2:10-12

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. in lies !

This is the World that Paul stated it shall be condemned 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

This World the Elect were effectually called out of Rev 18:4. I believe this World is also identified in Rev 3:8, as that synagogue of Satan, which say they are jews [God's professing People], but they are liars and deceivers, and they will come to know that to their everlasting shame, they will then believe or be convinced Jude 1:15

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

They will come to know who it was that God Loved in Christ Rev 3:8, but then of course it will be everlastingly too late for them, and then that world will meet with its preordained condemnation at the great White Throne Judgment, with those God did Love and Christ did die for being witnesses of their condemnation Ps 37:34;52:5-7;91:8 ! So there is a appointed time when the unbelieving religious world will believe, but it will be at the Second Coming of Christ when He comes to be Glorified in His Saints, and to put the foolish virgins to everlasting shame and contempt Dan 12:4, So the end of which this believing of the condemned world is designed for, is the Glory of God's Justice in their own condemnation !

beloved57
October 23rd, 2012, 06:53 PM
No legal condemnation ever for the Elect !

Even though the Elect can never come under God's Legal condemnation for sin Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

But yet for the purpose of Faith in Christ, they do come under conscious condemnation of their sins [that the guilt of legally was placed on Christ] their Surety did bear 1 Jn 3:20

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

It is through this conscious condemnation that God oft times leads us into Faith in the Atoning Work of Christ that He bore our condemnation for us, thus we receive the atonement Rom 5:11 or an application by the Spirit of the remission or forgiveness of sins by His Blood. The Holy Spirit applies the Blood to one consciously, which is called the sprinkling of the Blood 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling[application] of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

This was the stated purpose of the law, that we might be Justified by Faith Gal 3:23-24

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

That world that Christ died for, the Elect World, that World, everyone of it shall be by an inner work of the Holy Spirit convinced of their sinnership, their lawbreaking and sin, and then thus convinced, they shall be led into Faith in Him that bore their legal condemnation for their lawbreaking and sin, and by this Christ is Glorified by the Spirit Jn 16:6-15 and Vs 8-11 are the primary effects of the New Birth by the Spirit ! Those whom Christ died for, will each of them be taught their spiritual need for Christ to be led to Faith in Him Jn 6:45

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

beloved57
October 24th, 2012, 10:45 AM
Lk 5:32

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Many today who are false teachers, have taken this text to mean that Christ died for everybody in the world and now He beckons everyone without exception to repent of their sins and to accept Christ as their Saviour; however that is nothing but satanic human and carnal reasoning; But yet the text does say that Christ came specifically to call sinners to[into] repentance ; Which means those who are made sensible sinners by the work of the Spirit in them; for all men no doubt are sinners by nature, and that without exception, however all are not made sensible of their sinnership before God, especially the religious sinner !

A case in point is the record of the Publican and Pharisee, now what is the difference ? Both are sinners by nature !

Well one, the publican, had been made sensible of his sinfulness before God, the other , the pharisee, who also was just as much a sinner as the publican, had not been made sensible of his sinfulness before God, and in fact claimed not to be like other sinful people, even as the publican Lk 18:11

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that[B] I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

basically he was denying being a sinner as other men are !

The pharisee pointed to his religious performances, things he knew to be righteous acts Lk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

What this pharisee did not know was that his righteous acts and moral living before God, that these things in and of themselves are nothing but filthy rags before a Holy God Isa 64:6

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Notice, Our Righteousnesses ! The hebrew word here is tsĕdaqah and means:

Our Righteous acts !

righteousness (as ethically right)

These things are not wrong in and of themselves, but when they are foremost as to what we base our relationship with God upon as this pharisee clearly did.

It is clear that the pharisee based his acceptance with God on two primary elements #1 What he was not Lk 18:11

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

And secondly #2 What he did religiously Lk 18:12

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Being a sinner, yet he believed himself righteous, and that is what Christ means by "I came not to call the righteous"

Jesus came not to call people of that mindset, yet they are still sinners by nature !

beloved57
October 24th, 2012, 12:36 PM
However those as like the Publican, whom knew themselves to be experimentally helpless sinners before God, it is those whom Christ calls into Repentance, in fact He gives them Repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins

Thats whom He calls into Repentance !

The problem with the pharisee is that he never been convicted of sin and unbelief Jn 16:8

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

The word reprove here is the greek word elegchō and means:


to convict, refute, confute

a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted

b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

2) to find fault with, correct

a) by word

1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove

2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation

b) by deed

1) to chasten, to punish


And in the case of the pharisee, we are not talking about gross sins of the flesh like fornication, adultery, nor stealing, murder or extortion and so forth, but the sin of unbelief, self righteousness, his morality and false religion. The fact of the matter is that none of us can deliver ourselves from those sins, for it takes a spiritual application of the Law of God in the Hands of the Spirit to get to the root of that evil of self righteousness, yes to be convinced of wickedness even while we are doing our best religious efforts takes a supernatural act of God the Spirit. Its easy to be convinced of being a sinner as a whore or fornicator and thief, but not so when the sin problem is our own self righteousness and good behavior when we trust it to be our acceptance before God's Law and Justice !

It is such self righteous religiosity that makes us rich in ourselves as here Rev 3:17

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Can we see that , that was the mindset of this pharisee Lk 18:11-12

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Consequently, this is the type of rich that Jesus means in its spiritual application when He spake thusly Matt 19:24

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

beloved57
October 24th, 2012, 10:40 PM
Consequently, this is the type of rich that Jesus means in its spiritual application when He spake thusly Matt 19:24

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Jesus did not merely mean rich people materially here, but those rich in trusting in themselves and their own self righteousness, for Jesus was focusing on this the Young ruler stated and believed Matt 19:20


20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

The Young man was rich in his self righteousness, just as the pharisee Lk 18:11-12, and this type of sin, of being rich in our religiosity and commendable behavior before men, and to sincerely base our acceptance because of it, even just a little, it is this that makes salvation impossible for man by nature, but made possible only by a Sovereign Work of the Spirit of God, for God the Holy Spirit can and does convince the very religious and self righteous of sin because they believe not on Christ Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

When we trust in our performances for acceptance with God, then we believe not yet savingly on Christ because He has not been revealed to us as of yet to be our Righteousness !

But the Work of the Spirit can convince even the most sincere religious person of their sinfulness before God, and when that happens and they come to Christ, then cometh to past Jn 3:20-21

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 16:8 !

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The doing of evil here in vs 20 is mans self righteousness, like cain when he brought the best offering he could to find acceptance with God ! And thats all men by nature ! Only a work of Sovereign Grace can convince one of the evil of religion, morality, and self improvement, sincerity and all that, as being evil in the sight of God to find acceptance with Him, because all that disregards His Son as being the only way to God Jn 14:6 !

beloved57
October 25th, 2012, 08:14 AM
The Apostle Paul is an example of one who was much like the pharisee of Lk 18, who trusted in his exemplary efforts in his religious life and not forget his ethnicity of being a full blooded jew, for his acceptance with God, However when the Holy Spirit applied the law to him in its power, he was convinced that he was a covetous man, a very sinful man Rom 7:7-9

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Paul here is describing what happened with him when the Holy Spirit convinced him of sin with the Law applied to him, for Paul would not have considered himself a covetous man prior to the Spirit's Work in him because of this former testimony here Phil 3:4-6

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But after the Spirit's work in him Paul saw that he broke the tenth commandment Ex 20:17

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

And so what James writes is True James 2:10-11

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

And Paul writes later that the root problem of covetousness is Idolatry Col 3:5

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Now do you think that Paul believer himself an Idolater here in Phil 3:5-6 ?

No he would not have, but he was, and if not for God's Sovereign Work in Him, he would have remained a deluded religious zealot, a filthy Idolater and covetous man, while in his sincere religious pride and accomplishment.

When Paul states this 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

He personally was not talking about Christ saving fornicators, murderers, thieves and so forth, but sinners like this one Phil 3:4-6

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Thanks to God's Spirit and Purpose of Election of Grace, that God can make even a sinner of the nature Paul was, a sensible sinner even as this publican Lk 18:13

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

When the Spirit made Paul come to that realization, then it was manifest he was of these Lk 5:32

32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

beloved57
October 27th, 2012, 04:14 AM
Since the fact of scripture is that Christ Jesus came to save sinners 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Since He came to call sinners into repentance Lk 5:32

32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Meaning as I have attempted to show, those who are sensible sinners, sinners who are made to feel sensibly their sinfulness and their need for mercy as the Publican Lk 18:13

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

This type of sinner is made so by the Sovereign Work of the Holy Spirit of Truth as Per Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Each sinner that Christ died for, that He came to save, which is a World of men, each in God's Time will be convinced of sin by the Holy Spirit, meaning they will become like the Publican in Lk 18:13 !

There is no sinner whom Christ died for, who will not be brought to see and feel their sinfulness and need for their Saviour and begin to hunger and thirst after Righteousness Matt 5:6

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

That Righteousness which they hunger and thirst after is Christ ! The Holy Spirit shall make each sinner Christ died for hunger and thirst after Righteousness which is the end result of convincing them of their sin !

And so there is no such thing as Preaching Christ to sinners that Christ died for, and they do not want Him, because in the day of their personal salvation, when God is pleased to reveal His Son in them, they will be prepared to embrace Him because the Spirit will convince them of their sinfulness as He did the Publican of Lk 18:13 and then they shall be as those Christ came to call to Repentance as per Lk 5:32

32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Each sinner Christ died for shall have Faith in His Blood Rom 3:25

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

beloved57
October 27th, 2012, 02:04 PM
Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The Righteousness of God imputed as Per 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

If the Righteousness of God that is imputed to our charge is Revealed to us, to our God Given Faith, that Righteousness being also our Justification before God, then how is it that one's faith which that Righteousness is Revealed to, also be the cause of that Righteousness being imputed to us ? For in such a case it would mean that No Righteousness imputed existed before in order to be Revealed to God given Faith later; but the Truth is, The Imputed Righteousness did always exist for us before the Mind of God's Law and Justice, secured to us by the Blood of Christ, So that in God's Time He may reveal it to us in the Gospel of our Salvation !

beloved57
October 29th, 2012, 09:29 AM
When did the Elect first Sin ? Every Elect person first sinned in the man Adam, that goes for the elect babies who die abortively, yes all people, elect, whether their physical lives manifest or not, they sinned, transgressed God's Law when Adam did, and for those of us who think its not fair, that it makes God unjust, then it is we who are unjust, not God, for anything God reckons or does is Righteous !

However if you noticed, I've stated that only the Elect sinned in Adam, the Son's of God Lk 3:38

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

The non elect, which are the children of the devil Jn 8:44

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1 Jn 3:10

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

The Children of God will be manifested that they are, by doing righteousness, which is believing on Christ !

Any person who does not ever come to Faith in Christ are the children of the devil.

The children of the devil, those who never become believers in Christ which the Children of God do Gal 3:26, they did not sin in Adam !

No, they sinned in the devil their father in the beginning 1 Jn 3:8

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil[and his seed] sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Now just as God charged the elect, the seed of Adam in him with transgression when Adam sinned Rom 5:12, likewise God charged the devil's seed in him with sin when the devil sinned from the beginning.

Christ only died for the Elect, that world of men in Adam, the non elect, the children of the devil, who die in infancy will also perish in their sin committed by them in their Father the devil !

beloved57
November 2nd, 2012, 10:08 PM
Whats the difference ?


Whats the difference between the Righteousness of the Law or Works as Per Rom 9:31

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Rom 10:5

For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Phil 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Or The Righteousness of Faith as Per Rom 4:11,13


And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Rom 9:30

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 10:6

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above )

Here is the difference in the Two, Righteousness of the Law or works is when we consider that God makes us Righteous based upon something we do, any act of ours qualifies, such as believing, repenting, accepting something, when thats the case its our own Righteousness we Trust in as Per Phil 3:9

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Even if we claim Faith as our own Righteousness to be the cause as some pervert the understanding of this scripture Rom 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for

If one by this verse teaches that his faith , his own faith is what caused him to be righteous,then they fall right into the saying of Paul in Phil 3:9 as having their own Righteousness Faith !

Now the Righteousness of Faith is when one has a Righteousness not of themselves revealed or made known to them, and that it is theirs by Free Gift Rom 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

The Gospel reveals it to Faith Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The Righteousness that is revealed, is revealed to Faith,so how could it be their Faith ?

As a Result of this revelation to Faith we are persuaded to believe it by Faith. The word Faith is the greek word pistis and means:

conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it

a) relating to God

Its from the word peithō:


persuade

a) to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe

So the Righteousness of Faith is when one has an Gift of Righteousness revealed to them by God in the Gospel and this revealing persuades us to believe what is Revealed, the imputation of Christ's Righteousness made Ours as a free Gift.

And remember, Righteousness of the Law or Works is whenever we believe we are made Righteous by anything we do !

beloved57
November 3rd, 2012, 07:18 PM
Eph 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Its not until one is newly Created that they are enabled to do good works that they should walk in them, like faith, are they to walk by faith ?

Rom 4:12

And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

2 Cor 5:7

(For we walk by faith, not by sight )


Then thats one of the good works we are Created in Christ to walk therein, this walk of Faith includes coming to Christ initially in Faith, those coming to Him Jn 6:37, for those coming to Him should come in Faith. Paul also calls it beginning in the Spirit, the Life of Faith is began in the Spirit Gal 3:2-3

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

To have begun the Life of Faith by the Spirit, its because the Spirit gives us life so the hearing can occur which begats Faith, so Faith cometh by hearing [spiritually] Rom 10:17, and the life and walk of Faith is began Rom 8:1,4

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For Faith without works is Dead James 2:17. Works makes Faith perfect James 2:22

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Thats also why Jesus told the reprobated ethnic jews Jn 8:39

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.


The Reason why Jesus says that is because all the True Children of Abraham are Created in Him unto Good Works, which begins with Faith with Good Works which makes Faith Perfect ! Which Faith is a New Creation of God Eph 2:10 !

beloved57
November 4th, 2012, 04:23 AM
Jn 14:21

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

The commandments of Christ are not commands in general to all men without exception, but they are restricted only to those birthed into or translated into His Spiritual Kingdom Col 1:13


13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness , and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Jn 3:3-5

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

All for whom He died shall be birthed into or translated into This Spiritual Kingdom because of His Resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

And they are those who shall be born of incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Who are His Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

The Seed that was in His Spiritual Loins. When Jesus says a New Commandment I give to you as here Jn 13:34, its only applicable to His Spiritual Seed, for it is that Seed that shall serve Him Ps 22:30

A seed[U] shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

Jn 12:26

If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Now who follows Him ? His Sheep do Jn 10:27

All the imperatives in the NT from the Apostles are directed only to Christ's Seed, which are born into His Spiritual Kingdom and are made subject to its Spiritual Laws.

Yes even the evangelical imperatives to Repent Acts 17:30 or to believe and Love one another 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The command to be ye reconciled to God here 2 Cor 5:20

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

These are all directives to subjects in Christ's Kingdom and who are His Seed ! For they are all the Travail of His Soul, the Glory of His Finished Work of Redemption, for all that He died, should live unto Him that did die for them 2 Cor 5:14-15

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

beloved57
November 4th, 2012, 06:50 PM
Matt 25:34

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Who are these blessed ones ? It is the same as those that are born again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, which are being kept by the power of God through faith, to an inheritance ! That which Jesus refers to in the text !

1 Pet 1:3-5

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

And it is to these ones, those begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, that are made recipients of this call Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Now this Eternal Inheritance is that spoken of by Christ in Matt 25:34, its that Eternal Kingdom that Abraham was Given Faith to look forward to Matt 8:11

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Remember He looked forward to Heaven Heb 11:16

But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

This Kingdom Inheritance which is heavenly is what God Promised Abraham and his Seed Gal 3:16-18

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Yes, its the same inheritance of 1 Pet 1:4

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

So the Blessed ones are Abraham's Seed through Christ Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

beloved57
November 7th, 2012, 10:53 AM
When did God lay the sin and condemnation of the Elect, those Christ died for, upon Christ ? Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

And what happened to it [ their sin and condemnation laid to Christ to die for] after that ?

Now hear this truth of God, Christ who had the guilt and condemnation of the sins of the elect laid upon Him, by His Resurrection from the dead, it did declare, that He hath been fully acquitted of them [their guilt and condemnation], that being the case, where does that leave all them for whom condemnation and guilt and sin He died ?

If Christ has been acquitted for their sins, then so have they Rom 4:25

25 He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

It matters not if we presently know it or not, yet if it does be a fact for us, God shall reveal it to us by the Gospel when He sends it Rom 1:16-17

So God laid the sin and condemnation of the Elect on Christ by Divine Eternal Purpose, before the foundation of the World and in time at the Cross when the Father did actually forsake His Son because of the imputed sins of the Elect actually upon Him ! Jesus cried out then Matt 27:46

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

beloved57
November 8th, 2012, 07:37 AM
James and Paul agree in this, Paul writes of the law, of those who seek Justification by it, by keeping it as an covenant of works for Righteousness Rom 2:12-13

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Paul here is condemning those jews who look down on others, the gentiles, and they boast of themselves as those who keep the law, however Paul warns them, knowing that its impossible for a man to do that, he himself at one time deluded with such thinking Phil 3:6, he warns them, that it is not the mere hearers of the Law [ a privilege the jews had over the gentiles] but the doers of the Law that are Justified ! Which means that only those who can keep it perfectly, and yet Paul by no means is suggesting that anyone can, but that, that is what it would take to be Justified by law keeping !

And likewise James says of those who would be Justified by the Law this:

James 2:9-11

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James here in the same principle of spirit as Paul, warns that not just hearing the law makes you Righteous, but perfect conformity unto it does, which we fail to do if we offend in any one point, which they began to do in Vs 9, with respect of persons; Also if you offend in any other point of keeping the Law for Justification, then you shall be judged guilty of transgressing all of God's Law ! So it is that each Apostle discourages against Justification before God based upon law keeping, they both agree on that premise ! Paul and James would agree that any who keep the Law perfectly will be perfectly Righteous, and of course in such a case Christ would not be needed !

beloved57
November 9th, 2012, 08:06 PM
2 Pet 3:9,15

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The Longsuffering here is not in regard to all mankind without exception, but it is towards the Beloved of God in every generation until the Second Coming, and it issues into their experimental Salvation as stated here Vs 15

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

For they are the vessels of mercy prepared unto Glory Rom 9:22-23

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Whereas God's longsuffering for the non elect is strictly for the fitting them for destruction as stated in Rom 9:22 !

Now it would be inconsistent with God to both be towards the vessels of wrath, longsuffering to fit them to destruction and at the same time longsuffering towards them in hope of the salvation.

So this is just another evidence of how false teachers wrest scripture to teach the lies that scripture does not teach, for 2 pet 3:9 has nothing to do with the vessels of wrath !


Peter is speaking to and of the Household of Faith. Christ's Second Coming was delayed because of yet future Elect that needed to be born into the World and experience their Salvation, when all of them have been Saved and completed their Work for the Lord, then cometh the end Matt 24:14

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

beloved57
November 10th, 2012, 08:44 PM
Rom 10:4

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Its really Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believing ! The word believeth is a present participle and means in a state of believing !

In other words, the law was given for this purpose, to bring the Elect of God unto believing or faith in Christ, and those believing is the end which God gave the Law, in that Christ hath on their behalf satisfied God's Law and Justice and He hath as the prophet foretold Isa 42:21

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

And He hath earned for them a Righteousness that that is imputed to their account. This Imputed Righteousness was always foundationed upon Christ coming into the world ,living a perfectly Righteous life under the Law, and on top of that, to die in the stead of all for whom He represented, to die the eternal death they did deserve for their violation of God's Law #1 In Adam, their Natural and Federal Head, and also for their personal and individual and actual transgressions in their bodies. So He came to make good His federal Suretyship obligations in their behalf, and everyone believing, are those specifically for whom He contracted for, not one less or one more !

beloved57
November 11th, 2012, 05:01 AM
Jesus is and was the end of the law in regards to those believing #1 to the believing jews, He was the end of the ceremonial law, for they were all but shadows and types that pointed to Him and His Finished work at His Cross and #2 He is the end of the Moral Law, for it was He only that could satisfy the perfection of the Moral Requirements of that Law, to not transgress in word, action, speech and thought , requirements due because He is our Creator, and this aspect of the Law, the Moral Law was not limited to ethnic jews as the ceremonial was, but was for all God's Elect amongst all nations of men; So He is the end of the Law Judicially, in that He suffered the wrath of God for their sins that they have committed against God's Law, to begin in Adam and to include their own personal and actual transgressions in their bodies; and because He hath done all this for them, God's Elect, they are through New Birth given Faith in Christ, and He becomes the object of their Righteousness before God apart from anything they did themselves Phil 3:9

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

beloved57
November 23rd, 2012, 08:44 AM
Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Anyone who is born again of the Spirit and whom the Spirit dwells in, they are in the Spirit. Anyone living by faith Rom 1:17, which the Just shall do, are in the Spirit.

Jn 3:6

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.