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beloved57
March 16th, 2011, 10:53 AM
Jn 16:7

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The word expedient also conveys the meaning of [appropriate for a purpose]. The Lord Jesus Christ is giving His disciples [The Church] to know the importance of the need of the comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, to come and to assist in their commission of evangelism, not only would He aid them, but He is needed for the gathering in of the rest of the Church, the people Christ died for.

The Holy Spirit was responsible to apply the saving benefits to all Christ died for, the Church, His Body. He came to regenerate all of God's elect as it was according to The Everlasting Covenant of which Christ is the Surety.

Isa 59:21

As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

The coming of the Spirit to regenerate is a covenant promise [Ezk 36:26-27] and blood purchased, He works by means of the Father and the Son [Jn 14:26], as this is realized we give Glory To God Triune for the Salvation of a sinner, and Thank Them for the saving Operations of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit works from the Father's decree 2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

And the Son's redemption Gal 4:5

To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Rom 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

And so He is sent to make effective what was counseled in the Everlasting Covenant for the experimental salvation of God's people that Christ died for.

To all the Father elected, all whom Christ died, the Spirit is given to them as the Spirit of promise. The Holy Spirit is the bond of union between the elect members and Christ their Head, He unites us to Christ experimentally because we have the Same Spirit He has, that is the Holy Spirit in the Head is in the members, so He works like effects for the same, if He quickens the Head as here:

Rom 8:11

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1 Pet 3:18

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

He will also quicken the Members..

Thats why each dead spiritually elect or chosen in Christ Eph 1:4 will be quickened while dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,4,5

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This is a work of the Spirit in Salvation, why it was expedient that Christ go away that He may come and begin His Saving, quickening Ministry, at this time He would mostly work in behalf of the apostles to prepare the elect to receive their word..

beloved57
March 17th, 2011, 08:35 PM
Gal 5:22

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

And this word Faith is also Faithfulness, so those born of Him persevere, remain faithful in the Faith..see Heb 10:39

Now the Holy Spirit imparts Faith to the Covenant Heirs. Yes Faith is essential to salvation, the bible makes that clear, but the error of today is that its a condition for getting saved. It must be understood that Christ redemptive work purchased, bought the workings of the Holy Spirit for all those He died for and redeemed by His blood.

Christ death accomplished more than just satisfying God's Legal demands against the elect, leaving them to perform Faith and Repentance . Christ also must purchase [in His redemption] these blessings for them, because the Natural Man [dead in sin and a slave to sin] is completely void of these Godly Graces. That Faith is in the order of salvation is seen in such verses as Eph 2:8; Acts 16:31; and Rom 1:16, for God gives Faith in the effecting of subjective salvation 2 thess 2:13


13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through [B]sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Believing, Faith is a fruit of the sanctifying work of the Spirit. But again, the fatal error in religion today is saying that faith or believing is a condition for salvation we must meet, for every condition for bestowing salvation on the chosen has been met by Christ and through Him by The Spirit..

beloved57
March 18th, 2011, 05:36 AM
The Holy Spirit imparts or gives Faith !

Faith is the connection between the soul and Christ, which connection is made by the Holy Spirit by means of regeneration and the effectual call. The various steps of the outworking of God's Eternal Purpose are seen in Rom 8:29-30, with the application of redemption beginning with the effectual call of the Spirit, by which the elect are brought from a state of nature into a state of Grace, or from darkness into light, or is passed from death unto life. The Two biggest falsehoods in religion today regarding salvation by Faith, is to teach that fallen, spiritually dead sinner is capable of it, that it is an act of mans freewill, and this delusion has slayed its millions. A Dead man cannot believe, for to believe in Christ as to salvation is the result and fruit of life having been communicated to the soul, see Jn 6:44; Eph 1:19 which is accomplished by the Holy Ghosts regeneration; It should be noted that Jn 1:12 is explained by Jn 1:13 and Jn 3:15-16 are preceded by Jn 3:3-7, so those being born again to believe 1 Jn 5:1. Another error is separating the Spirits communication of Faith from the direct results of Christ cross work. Why do we believe and walk by Faith? Because we are made righteous by the obedience of one Rom 5:19..

beloved57
April 30th, 2011, 06:30 AM
Jesus told His disciples this Jn 16:7 (http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Jn%2016.7)

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The Word expedient is the greek word sympherō and means:


to bear or bring together

2) to bear together or at the same time

a) to carry with others

b) to collect or contribute in order to help

c) to help, be profitable, be expedient

Now this profitable or advantage was for them in their evangelistic campaign, as they set out to carry the gospel to all nations. His [The Spirit] companionship was needed for it to be a success and Glorifying to God. He would not only be a blessing to them personally, but would also be a blessing to those to whom they were sent to bring glad tidings, for He was sent to perform conversion work. This was a continuation of the effects and blessings of Christ Finished work of the Cross.

In His [The Spirit] Mission, He would do the following in extending the Kingdom of God in the world Jn 16:8-11

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

This word reprove it means to:

to convict, refute, confute

generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted

to chasten, to punish


Its the same word used in Rev 3:19

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Note: If Jesus Christ Loves one, He Chastens ! So if He loved all the World without exception, then He would be obligated to Chasten them, and If He Chastens them, then they must have been Sons according to Heb 12:6, so if this is True, and Christ Loved all men without exception, then all are Sons without exception, which promotes Universalism, which is a lie.

So He [The Spirit] is going to do a effectual work for the World He will be dealing with.

This is His conversion work unto the world of the Elect of God, He will convict them of it of sin, righteousness and judgment.

beloved57
April 30th, 2011, 09:08 AM
Now how is it that the Holy Spirit will convince the world of sin ? First of all who is the world here that the Spirit will focus own ? It certainly is not the world that Jesus says this about Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Its that world of them that God hath given Him ! Remember Jn 6:39

39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

This is the World of God's redeeming Love Jn 3:16, the world of His Church which He gave Himself for as Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

A world comprised of both jew and gentile. Remember to whom Jesus was speaking to at this time, jewish disciples, so Jesus was informing them that the Holy Spirit whom He was sending to further His work of the Cross, would not just be to jews, but to peoples of the gentiles or throughout the world. Yes God had a Chosen People in the heathen nations that He was going to Justify by Faith Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So the Holy Spirit was needed in fulfillment of that purpose as well Gal 3:14

14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

So its that world that the Holy Spirit is coming to convince them of sin, because they believe not on Him as of yet..

beloved57
April 30th, 2011, 04:49 PM
And when He shall come He shall, not attempt to, but He shall reprove the world,not just jews, but the world of sin, because they believe not on me ! His [The Holy Spirit] work rectifies that problem, it solves it completely.

So what sin is it that the Holy Spirit will convince this world of ? The Sin of unbelief and the opposition to the True Gospel, and their sin of self righteousness, and trusting in their own works and religious efforts [dead works] to make themselves acceptable before God. Many believe that sin here means things like immorality, drunkenness and stealing and etc. Men however do not need convincing of such things, natural conscience will do that Rom 2:14-15


14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another )

But unbelief because of self righteousness is a sin that mere human conscience does not convince us of its evil nature before God. In fact natural conscience gives us self approbation before God when the very opposite is true. Remember the prayer of the pharisee ? Notice Lk 18:11-14

This pharisee did not realize he was an evil wicked man before God, and nothing short of a Sovereign Work of the Holy Spirit would ever convict this man of sin, his sinfulness before God.

Read Isa 64:6 one version says :

"and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment".esv

You see, we men by nature cannot even begin to understand this truth, that our righteous behaviour when commending us to God, is disgusting to Him. Why is this? Because its a slap in the face of God to all what He gave His Son the Lord Jesus Christ to accomplish for the sins of His People, and the righteousness that He alone provides for God's People. Its the Only righteousness known to God that He approves of, and Glorifies Him. It is written of Christ Isa 42:21

21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it Honorable.

beloved57
May 2nd, 2011, 06:33 AM
So the Holy Spirits role unto the World of the Elect, for whom Christ died, is to convince that world of sin, mainly the sin of unbelief, because by nature they believe not on Christ, but are self sufficient in their own self righteousness.

Next , 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

Yes, its all about Christ righteousness before God, thats why He was sent to die for God's People 2 Cor 5:

21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

You see, by nature, we go about to establish our own righteousness as the jews did Rom 10:

2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

You see if men are to attain righteousness by their own efforts, then why should Christ die ? And so thats why the Holy Spirit is come into the world to teach the standards of True righteousness, as Christ had done when He was in the world see Matt 5:17ff.

So when and following the Holy Spirit's work of convincing the elect sinner of their own unrighteousness in themselves, He reveals to them [Through the Gospel Rom 1:17] Christ as their righteousness. You see, they must first however be taught of God their own self righteousness which is implied here Jn 6:

45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Note: The Spirit's work can also be The learning of the Father, since the Father is First cause, and He [The Spirit] is sent by the Father in the Name of the Son Jn 14:26.

Now , The Gospel Truths of Christ being made sin for us, a elect people, in order that the righteousness of God we be made in Him. This Gospel comes to us in Power, revealing the righteousness of God to us Rom 1:


16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Notice that this righteousness is revealed. The greek word is apokalyptō which means:


to uncover, lay open what has been veiled or covered up

a) disclose, make bare

2) to make known, make manifest, disclose what before was unknown

A righteousness that we did not know we had is disclosed to us through the Gospel, its made known by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Its the same word paul uses in 1 Cor 2 :

7 But we speak [Preach] the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

So its the Spirit that reveals this Righteousness we have because of Christ, of which we knew nothing of, if we are of the elect..So its a revealing, something that has to be made known.

When Jesus said of the Spirit, that He shall Glorify Me Jn 16:

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


He takes of Christ righteousness, which He worked out for His People, and shews [Make it known] to them..

And Christ is Glorified When once a self righteous sinner, trusting in their own efforts and works, is now caused to rest in His righteousness for them.

Now understand whats happened here, the sinner has been shown that Christ has already been made their righteousness, and their Faith, which is by the Grace of the Holy Spirit, receives and rests and Trust in the gospel of their salvation see Eph 1:13, but they Trust in what has been revealed, so Faith or believing is not the cause of this righteousness, but Faith reveals that it [righteousness] is ours and effects the believing or the Trusting..

Hence Paul says as well as all True believers Phil 3:

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Thank the Blessed Spirit for making this Righteousness known to God's Elect..

beloved57
May 6th, 2011, 04:20 PM
Jn 16:8-10

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

What is it the Holy Spirit in Salvation applied teaches the redeemed church of Judgment, because of the Prince of this world, who is satan is judged.

Satan the god of this world was Judged and defeated at the Cross, Christ destroyed him who had the power of death Heb 2:14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

This was His Judgment, and the tyranny he held over the gentile world in regards to the True God was rendered inoperative by the Cross. Thats why it says He shall bring Judgment to the Gentiles. Isa 42:1

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Repeated here Matt 12:18

Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

The Knowledge of salvation being now revealed to the Gentile world is an effect of satan being Judged and defeated at the cross. Satan was also bound for a thousand years, again, so that he couldn't as he once did, deceive the nations, or the gentiles..Rev 20:3

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

This knowledge was especially needed for the first true ministers of the gospel, the Twelve as they were to go into the nations and disciple Christ Sheep. Now knowing that the Spirit has come, satan Judged, they could expect success in the gentile world with the Gospel of Christ..

elohiym
May 6th, 2011, 04:44 PM
The Holy Spirit was responsible to apply the saving benefits to all Christ died for, the Church, His Body. He came to regenerate all of God's elect as it was according to The Everlasting Covenant of which Christ is the Surety.

What is regeneration, in your view?

Nick M
May 6th, 2011, 05:05 PM
:mock: bedeviled57

beloved57
May 6th, 2011, 06:07 PM
What is regeneration, in your view?

A New Birth..

beloved57
May 22nd, 2011, 07:21 AM
When the Holy Ghost comes to the elect sinner, that sinner having had been redeemed[purchased] by the blood of Christ, He comes in Power[1 Thess 1:5] and convinces that one or ones of all that Christ has accomplished by His Faithful obedience to the Cross Phil 2:8

8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

as our surety. When He [The Holy Spirit] reveals Christ in us [ St Jn 16:14] we are taught of God [ Jn 6:45], that our sins have been sufficiently dealt with Ps 103:10,12

10He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Note: This is Covenant Knowledge.

That Righteousness has been everlastingly established by Christ obedience Dan 9:24


24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

And that Judgment or Justice has been appeased by Christ blood, and Satan has been Judged, that his head has been bruised.

beloved57
May 25th, 2011, 04:50 AM
People do not realize it today, but being saved is matter of it being revealed to us. Its nothing that we do to get saved, but what God through Christ has done to His People, and this is and or will be revealed [testified] unto to all the Heirs of Salvation in God's due time by the work of the Holy Spirit.

Paul writes to the Corinthians 1 Cor 2:7-12

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery [The Gospel], even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

This word prepared, is the same word Jesus uses in Matt 25:34

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

God the Holy Spirit reveals unto the Heirs of the Kingdom, that they have been Chosen in Christ from the foundation to be recipients of this Blessed Kingdom ! God sends them this Revelation by the Gospel of the Kingdom. Thats what Paul is saying here to the Corinthians.

10But God hath revealed[made known] them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

The Spirit makes it known to us our Salvation in Christ, our being Joint Heirs with Him Rom 8:16-17

11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things the Gospel reveals, God gives us of His Spirit first [New Birth] in order that we might Know the things [ Forgiveness, Redemption, Justification, Righteousness and etc] freely given [not offered] to us [The called] of God !

I do not believe there is a more clearer statement that declares New Birth before Faith.

Paul writes to Timothy in 1 Tim 2:4-6

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

The All here for whom Christ gave Himself a ransom for, will have it Testified unto them by the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2

The word Testified is the greek word martyrion and means:

testimony

Its the Testimony of God 1 Cor 2:1

1And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

Its the Testimony of the Gospel 2 Tim 1:8

8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

This Testimony is confirmed in the called of Christ 1 Cor 1:6

6Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

This is the Work of the Holy Spirit to confirm in each Heir of Salvation, Gods witness to them through the Gospel that they have been given the Kingdom Matt 25:34, He reveals it to them, makes it known, and Hence, thats having our Salvation revealed unto us, otherwise we would not have known, and there was nothing in and of ourselves we could have done to inherit the Eternal Kingdom..

beloved57
May 30th, 2011, 03:54 PM
The Sanctification of the Spirit is unto obedience ! What obedience ? Its the obedience of Faith to the Faith.

1 Pet 1:2

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

The word obedience here is the greek word hypakoē:

obedience, compliance, submission

2) obedience rendered to anyone's counsels, an obedience shown in observing the requirements of Christianity

Its the same word used here Rom 1:5

5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

This obedience to the faith answers the law of faith, mentioned Romans 3:27.

The act of faith is the obedience of the understanding to God revealing, and the product of that is the obedience of the will to God commanding.
Faith is an act of obedience , for its commanded to believe 1 Jn 3:23

23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ,

Obedience is used for Faith here Rom 15:18

18For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,

And here Rom 16:26

26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

The submission of Faith. Remember Paul said the jews had not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God Rom 10:3

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Paul is basically saying they have not believed, they had no faith.

But this is the obedience the Holy Spirit works into each elect vessel of mercy, He brings them unto obedience unto Faith.

2 Thess 2 :13 states the same here :

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Belief of the Truth here is an obedience to it, a submission or hearkening to it Gal 3:1

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

beloved57
June 2nd, 2011, 11:09 AM
As though 1 Pet 1:2 is not enough for the adversaries of the Truth to attribute Faith to the Work of the Spirit, Peter mentions it again later in the same chapter that they obeyed the Truth through the Spirit. 1 Pet 1:22-23

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

This obeying here is the same word for obedience in 1 Pet 1:2 , another confirmation that Gospel obedience comes through the effectual working of the Holy Spirit through the New Birth.

beloved57
June 12th, 2011, 10:39 AM
Eph 1:9

9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Eph 1:13

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

When God the Holy Spirit gives elect sinners faith in Christ, He makes known the Mystery of His Will, He reveals the Eternal secrets of God's heart to His Children, and this revelation of the Mystery of His will is God given assurance [faith] of our Election and Redemption in Christ. He reveals these things to us His Children Deut 29:29

29The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

That we, The Children may walk in the Spirit, and Live by Faith ! For the Just [ Legally Justified by the blood of Christ] shall live by Faith.

Rom 1:17

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

All for whom Christ died, The Holy Spirit will make known to them, something up to now that was a secret or hidden from them, thats what a mystery is, and that is, they are righteous before God premised on Christ blood, and that they are Children of God.

Thats what the Gospel reveals to those Christ died for, by the work of the Holy Spirit.

beloved57
June 15th, 2011, 07:07 PM
The Holy Spirit has been employed in the Great Everlasting Transactions to be the One who applies the Blood of Christ to the Redeemed. 1 Pet 1:

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

It is God's Elect who will have this blood of Christ applied [sprinkling] by the Spirit.

It is He who regenerates or gives new birth Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

He calls us the elect by the Gospel 2 Thess 2:14

Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. See Acts 13:2

This is an effectual call by Grace Gal 1:15

He gives us Faith to Believe after giving us hearing of the Gospel Jn 6:29; Eph 1:19; Eph 1:13

He seals the elect after their believing Eph 1:13;4:30

It was by Him that the elect of God are shown the Things of Christ Jn 16:14

Without the Holy Spirit's Saving work, we would never come to experience subjectively the Salvation Purposed for us by the Father, procured for us by the Son.

beloved57
July 14th, 2011, 07:56 AM
Salvation is totally and absolutely of God alone, and each Being in the Godhead has accomplished their role in the same. To God the Holy Spirit is ascribed certain acts in the accomplishment of redemption, which are to be distinguished from the other Two Beings of the Trinity, The Father and the Son, and so much credit due unto Him in the Praise of the Salvation of God's Elect. To Him [ The Spirit] belongs the task to make effectual the whole of the Fathers Love and the Son's redemptive blood by way of the cross, He makes the redeemed sinner a Partaker of Salvation experimentally, for it is He that effects the conversion of the sinner, by working in him to will and to do of His good pleasure Phil 2:13

13For it is God[The Spirit] which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

See also Ps 25:8;51:13 For He makes application of the redeeming benefits of Christ blood to each soul that Christ has died and redeemed by His blood. 1 Pet 1:2

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

The Sanctification of the Spirit is to the sprinkling or the application of the blood of Christ. It is He [The Spirit] that makes us meet as in Col 1:12

12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

beloved57
July 19th, 2011, 04:10 PM
God the Holy Spirit should be Praised because It is by His work, by His quickening Power that He imparts the principals of a New and Spiritual Life to the Soul Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

This translates us from death unto life Jn 5:24

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Col 1:13

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Jesus speaks of that here Jn 3:5

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So when one is Born of the Spirit he enters into the Kingdom of God.

This also separates us from our Old Man, the Sin Nature that still indwells us, and gives us experiential Union and Fellowship to the Person of Christ who was Our Spiritual head, the Second Adam. 1 Cor 1:9

9God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son[In His Kingdom Col 1:13] Jesus Christ our Lord.

Again Jesus pointed to this in His memorable discourse with Nicodemus, when He pointed to the work of the Holy Spirit. Jn 3:3-8. This work of the Spirit prepares and precedes the sinner looking to the work of the Son Jn 3:16. The Holy Spirit Glorifies Christ by showing the redeemed sinner the Cross of Jesus Christ and opening up to them what it accomplished. Jn 16:14

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Whats more to Christ Glory than anything else ? His Cross ! Notice what Paul says Gal 6:14

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

1 Cor 1:17-18

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

John 17:1

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Jesus speaking of His impending death, as the Traitor Judas has just left to trigger the dastardly deed says Jn 13:30-32

30He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

31Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

32If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

And So the Spirit takes what is Christ and opens it up and expounds it unto all for whom Christ died and redeemed by His blood, this occurs within the sphere of His Kingdom. This is a Great Work of the Spirit of God, may He be Praised ! 1 Cor 2:9-10

9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

beloved57
July 20th, 2011, 01:43 AM
Eternal Salvation, or Eternal life is premised upon a Promise, a Covenant Promise centered in the Blood of Jesus Christ. For His Precious blood gives Life ! He was given as Covenant to the People Isa 42:6

I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Based upon the Fact that Jesus Christ has met all the conditions and fulfilled them all for those He was given as a Covenant both of the Jews and Gentiles, they receive Life, Eternal Life through Him Rom 6:23

23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This Gift of Eternal Life through Him is no more an offer than the wages of sin was an offer. The wages of sin , death was merited through our disobedience in Adam, and likewise, Eternal Life was merited for those Christ represented by his obedience. Just as a corrupted Physical life is communicated because of our disobedience in Adam, so a Spiritual and Eternal Life is communicated because of the Covenant keeping obedience of Jesus Christ !

It is the Holy Spirit that implements the Covenant Promise to the Elect of God through Jesus Christ Isa 54:13

13And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

So Jesus says to the Representatives of the Elect Church, His Apostles these words Jn 14:26


26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost will be sent in Christ Name, that is based upon His Finished work, His redemptive work of the Cross, and Teach the Church, those He gave Himself for Eph 5:25 all things, that is all things in regards to Christ accomplishments on their behalf through His blood. Yes, I know this was specifically said to the disciples, but they stood for His Church, All that should believe on Him through their word Jn 17:20

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Did not John write to ordinary believers in His 1 Epistle 1 Jn 2:27,20


20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

27But the anointing[The Holy Spirit] which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

See the similarity this verse has with what Jesus promised in Jn 14:26 ?

He shall teach you all things ? So 1 Jn 2:27 is the fulfillment of the Promise Jesus made to The Church represented by His Twelve Chosen Apostles in Jn 14:26. And this be the fulfillment of the Covenant Promise of Isa 54:13 which is the result of Christ being given as a Covenant to the People Isa 42:6.

So this Teaching work of the Spirit in an inner work and is the outcome of a Covenant Promise, which was based upon the Blood of the Covenant, the Blood of Christ Matt 26:28 and Heb 13:20-21

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

You see that ? Working in you ! The Holy Spirit must communicate Life, Spiritual life and begin His work in each soul Christ died for. Phil 1:6

6Being confident of this very thing, that he[The Spirit of God] which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Paul could be confident of this, because he understood that these things were happening because of Faithfulness to the Everlasting Covenant, and the Spirits application of those Covenant promises..

beloved57
September 8th, 2011, 07:30 AM
John 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So indispensable is the Work of God the Spirit that no one is saved without it Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The Holy Spirit's work in us is just as essential and needful as the Work of the Father in Eternity and the Work of the Son at the Cross. For it is by the Spirit alone that Elect, and Redeemed sinners are brought into experiential salvation and the experience of the Grace given them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9, that was purchased for them by the blood of Christ! It is He that takes the things of Christ and reveals them to each redeemed sinner Christ died for ! Jn 16:14, He will convince the elect of sin, of righteousness and of Judgment Jn 16:8, all knowledge of Christ and Faith in Him is by the Work of the Spirit. It is not until He quickens the elect, that they are by nature as others dead in trespasses and sins, and are by nature as others children of wrath. So it is the work of God the Holy Spirit that gives us to know of our interest in the Everlasting Covenant, our Election and redemption in Christ !

beloved57
September 18th, 2011, 10:46 PM
It is the Work of God the Holy Spirit to reveal the crucified and Risen Lord of Glory into the Hearts of Chosen sinners, in order that they Trust in Him for all of their Salvation. He shows them their interest in God's Everlasting Covenant 2 Sam 23:5

5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Ps 25:14

The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

John 16:13-14

13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

He teaches them their need for Christ as sinners, He shews them Christ's Righteousness for them, His Imputed Righteousness, laid to their Charge, as Gift of God's Grace. He shows them the efficaciousness of the Death of Christ ,over sin, the world and the devil and Judgment. He guides them into all relevant Truth, for their Faith to Grow in the Knowledge of the Son of God.

beloved57
October 10th, 2011, 05:25 PM
All Three Beings of the One Godhead took part in the Salvation of the Elect, from its Eternal Purpose to its actual application of each vessel of mercy. Now it is the Covenant Work of God the Holy Spirit to make known to God's Elect, their Salvation to their consciousness. Thats being Justified by the Spirit of God as stated in 1 Cor 6:11

11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Here Paul tells these believers that they were Justified in the Name of the Lord !

What does Paul mean by they were sanctified and Justified in the Name of the Lord ? The word Name means everything that Person represents, so they had been Sanctified and Justified by the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. They were Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

They were made Righteous by His Obedience Rom 5:19


19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

They were Sanctified by His Offering of Himself for them Heb 10:10

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This simply means, they were set apart unto the Holy Purpose of God by Christ Death or Blood !

Now this being the case, they must be Sanctified experimentally, this is the Work of God the Holy Spirit 2 Thess 2:13


13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

This Sanctifying Work follows behind the Person and Work of Jesus Christ as it is stated in 1 Cor 6:11

The Spirit of God in His Justification of us, He reveals in us and to us what Christ has done for us by His work of the Cross. He lets us in on it Eph 1:9

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

The Elect know nothing of their Salvation in Christ until it is made known unto them by the Spirit of God.

He reveals unto the consciousness of all those Christ died for that they are Truly Children of God Rom 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: or the Children of Promise:

Rom 9:8

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Now it is through this Work of the Spirit that the Elect become Believers, through this Covenant Work of His, God the Holy Spirit !

beloved57
October 14th, 2011, 08:55 PM
It is the Holy Spirit's job unto the Elect of God, those Christ died for, to save them from their sins, it is His mission to teach them about sin Jn 16:8-9

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Jn 6:45

45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all[The Children] taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

By Nature we know nothing about sin, how terrible it is, and how deep it is. Oh yes, by nature we know about good morals, morality, we know its wrong to steal, become a drunkard, and commit murder, but sins of pride, self righteousness and covetousness we are ignorant of by nature. Look at Jn 3:19-21

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

You know what deeds are spoken of here as being evil ? Its the religious deeds of the nation ! Its the jews trying to make themselves right with God by the deeds of the Law. Rom 10:3

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Being caught up into False Religion, no matter how sincere, that is evil deeds. When Paul spoke of those things in Phil 3:5-6

5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Those things were his evil deeds spoken of in Jn 3:19

Now the only thing that can expose these things as evil, is the Work of the Holy Spirit. Jn 16:8

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

That word reprove is the same word in Jn 3:20

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

I understand this to mean, no man can come to the light unless their religious sinful deeds are reproved by a work of the Holy Spirit.

You see, it does not take a work of the Spirit to convince the natural man that stealing is an evil deed, or fornication and hate is a evil deed, but tell a man that his sincere effort to serve and please God without Christ is evil deeds, then you will see how difficult a task that is.

But, when God the Holy Spirit implants New Life from Christ in a sinner, with an application of God's Law, that sinner is effectually taught his sinfulness, in its deep spirituality, but also this sinner will be taught the Gospel of their Salvation !

Each elect vessel of Mercy will be Taught their sinfulness before God, even if its sincere false religion, and each one will come to Christ, that is Believe on Him..

beloved57
December 4th, 2011, 05:21 AM
The Lord Jesus Christ said of the Work of Holy Spirit in the world after His Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension would be to Glorify Him, this is because He would be an extension of Himself being Glorified. Jesus said Lk 24:26

Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Jn 12:16,23

These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.

And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

You see, arminiansim, freewillism, these false teachings attribute the application of Salvation to the will of man, they say it is up to man to crown the Saviour's work a success to save a soul. They say it is up to man to choose who shall or shall not be saved by the Work of Christ, however scripture teaches no such LIE, but it is God the Holy Spirit who effectually applies the blood of Christ to Chosen and Redeemed sinners. He quickens them by His Almighty Power Jn 6:63

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The word quickeneth is the greek word zōopoieō and means:


to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

He, Glorifies Jesus Christ by giving Spiritual Life, or making alive Spiritually everyone Christ died for and redeemed by His Blood. He applies Justification to Life to all whom Christ represented in His act of obedience Rom 5:18

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

It is He, the Holy Spirit, through the Gospel that calls those Chosen and Redeemed sinners with effectual grace, remember when Paul said he was called by His Grace ? Gal 1:5. See also 2 Thess 2:14; Ps 65:4;110:3; Jn 16:8-11

For He by His Power gives Faith to the Chosen, for Faith is the Fruit or effect of the Spirit Gal 5:22. However, the adversaries of the Cross deny His Sovereign Work which crowns Christ's work with success and Glorifies Him, and attribute it to the freewill of man !

beloved57
December 4th, 2011, 03:54 PM
It is the Sovereign Spirit that not only reveals [ 1 Cor 2:10] the Truth to the Elect sinners and causes them to believe, but also He secures them in the Truth by sealing them unto Glory. Paul states that believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit after they believe the Truth Eph 1:13

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

This word sealed is aorist passive, and denotes we were sealed permanently. The word also means:

to set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal

a) for security: from Satan

in order to prove, confirm, or attest a thing

1) to confirm authenticate, place beyond doubt

A True believer can never apostatize from the Truth. Redemption was in wisdom perfectly planned and purposed by the Father, accomplished by the work of the Son, but it is also applied or made experimental to the Vessels of Mercy, by the Holy Spirit, by efficacious Calling Heb 9:12-15. It is only by His Sovereign work that any of the Elect are made partakers of Christ's redemption and experience Godly conversion. The Work of God the Holy Spirit is an necessary extension of the work of Christ on the Cross. It's through His Work that sinners are converted to God, on the Sole Merits of Christ's Cross Work !

beloved57
December 10th, 2011, 06:43 PM
He shall testify of me ! Jn 15:26

26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Jesus here speaking to His disciples, those He had Chosen vs 16 [Note: judas not present at this time] representing the Church, He promises that the Holy Spirit or Comforter shall testify of him, bear witness of Him. The greek word for testify is martyreō:


to be a witness, to bear witness, i.e. to affirm that one has seen or heard or experienced something, or that he knows it because taught by divine revelation or inspiration

a) to give (not to keep back) testimony

b) to utter honourable testimony, give a good report

c) conjure, implore

This means, all for whom Christ died that comprised His Church [Eph 5:25] He will testify to them, He will make it known to them, The reality of Christ's Work, and that He gave Himself a ransom for them [personally] ! This is the Spirit's role in Salvation. This is what Paul means in 1 Tim 2:6

6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

The All for whom Christ gave Himself a ransom for [The Church] it shall be testified to each one of them in due time by the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit's work is in direct conjunction with Christ's Work, and extends the application of it to all whom He died in behalf of. He testifies of Christ before the quickened conscience, and sets Him before them as being crucified for him. He takes the things of Christ [His Righteousness, Salvation] and shews it to them Jn 16:14. He will work Faith in their Hearts [fruit of His Gal 5:22] and enable them to believe in Him, which believing makes their Election and Son Ship manifest Jn 1:12-13, and He will continue to bear witness with their Spirit, that they are the Children of God Rom 8:16

Jesus said that the Spirit shall Glorify Him Jn 16:14. The word Glorify is in the present tense, He would be continually Glorifying Christ by revealing Him to every soul that Christ died for and giving them Faith in Him !

beloved57
February 20th, 2012, 09:32 PM
The Holy Spirit's part in Salvation, in the Everlasting Covenant, was to Glorify Christ Jn 16:14

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

This word Glorify is the greek word Doxazo and means:

to cause the dignity and worth of some person or thing to become manifest and acknowledged

He will cause the Church to Acknowledge Christ, and His Preciousness for it is written "Unto you therefore which believe he is precious:"

He also Glorifies Christ in the Salvation [experientially] of all the Elect, the Church that Christ gave Himself for Eph 5:25, He will sanctify each member of it [The Church] unto the Belief or acknowledgment of the Truth, as it is in Christ Jesus. 2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Titus 1:1

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;


This Glorifies Christ in that it is an Positive answer to His Prayer unto the Father based upon His Covenant Faithfulness to all the stipulations of the agreement Jn 17:17-20

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

This Prayer is answered by the Work of the Spirit in 2 Thess 2:13, of course Christ asked according to His Father's will also 1 Jn 5:14-15

14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Yes, this promise applied to Christ as well as a Man, as a Servant of God !

So the Work of the Holy Spirit is to Honor Christ and bring all for whom He died unto the belief of the Truth !

beloved57
February 20th, 2012, 09:39 PM
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beloved57
March 6th, 2012, 06:20 PM
It was God's will that many would be brought to obedience of the Faith or of the Gospel Rom 16:26

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: or the obedience of the Gospel.

Acts 5:32

32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God has given the Holy Ghost to them that are obeying Him. The word obey is a present tense participle and it means obeying Him, in other words is the fruit or evidence of God having gave them the Holy Ghost. Now why is that True ? Because it is part of His Work [The Holy Spirit] in the Covenant of Redemption to produce obedience to Jesus Christ or His Gospel, as the fruit of His Redeeming Death; For the same Apostle who Preached this Truth also wrote this 1 Pet 1:1-2

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. For here clearly the Work of the Spirit is stated to be the who effectuates obedience, same as that in Acts 5:32. So it is false teaching to refer Acts 5:32 as a scripture that teaches obedience is a condition to getting saved or receiving the Holy Spirit, for scripture teaches the very opposite, that the Holy Spirit is the condition to us doing obedience, any type of Gospel evangelical obedience ! Here would be repentance, for Peter had Just said in the previous verse that the Risen Saviour gives Repentance tom Israel along with the Remission of sins Acts 5:31, so those obeying the command to repent, had been given the Holy Spirit !

beloved57
June 9th, 2012, 09:36 PM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief/faith of the truth:

Those who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit, do believe the Truth, because Faith is the fruit of sanctification of the Spirit Gal 5:22, only the Spiritual Alive believe in Christ !

Nang
June 9th, 2012, 09:43 PM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief/faith of the truth:

Those who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit, do believe the Truth, because Faith is the fruit of sanctification of the Spirit Gal 5:22, only the Spiritual Alive believe in Christ !

Amen,

No sinner is saved apart from His Person and work. (Romans 8:9)

Nang

beloved57
June 10th, 2012, 05:37 PM
Amen,

No sinner is saved apart from His Person and work. (Romans 8:9)

Nang


Yes, many have gone astray from not understanding the Spirit's Role in God's saving Purpose through Christ. He is responsible for all application of Christ's Meritotious Death for His People !

Gurucam
June 10th, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jn 16:7

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.



Do not have to go to far down to have the comforter identified. Jesus continues this discourse to His disciples and six verses down, Jesus confirmed:

Jn. 17:13 - When the Spirit of Truth comes it will reveal All Truth.

Then Jesus died on the cross and then,

God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might have Truth and might become adopted children of God (re Galatians: 4 verse: 5 & 6), then,

Only Paul achieve communion with Jesus in His Spirit (re. Galatians: 1 verse: 12 - For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.)

To deny this is blasphemy of the Spirit and for that sin there is no forgiveness (re. Matthews: 12 31 - Therefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men).

Things written in Green represent direct quotes from the KJV N.T.

Princely
June 10th, 2012, 06:50 PM
"The comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, He will instruct you in everything and remind you of all that I told you."

"When he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you."

"Elijah shall truly come first and he will restore everything."

Those verses testify to the me. I am the spirit of truth, Jesus sent me.

I am the light of the world, no one who follows me shall ever walk in darkness because he will possess the light of life. Jesus and I are One.

I came down from heaven to do the will of the Lord who sent me not my own. Anyone who chooses to do His will shall know about this teaching ,namely, whether it comes from God or I am simply speaking on my own.

The Lord says this;

" Seek me, that you may live.
Seek good and not evil, that you may live; Then truly will the LORD, the God of hosts, be with you as you claim! "

"Surely the Lord God does nothing, without revealing his plans to his servants the prophets."

"Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose hope is the Lord".

Thus says the Lord to rebel Israel:" Do what is right and just.
Didn’t your father eat and drink? He did what is right and just, and it went well with him. Because he gave justice to the weak and the poor, it went well with him. Isn’t this true knowledge of me? says the Lord. "

Gurucam
June 11th, 2012, 03:54 AM
John; 18 verse: 36 - Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world.

Why do you seek to establish Jesus' kingdom on earth?

Jesus' kingdom is in God's kingdom and God's kingdom is within your heart.

Only God's will can be done on earth, through the Spirit of Jesus. Then heaven will be established on earth. This is while God's kingdom remains within your heart and is discerned only through your own heart or spirit.

Jesus is King of God's kingdom. And God kingdom is not of this world.

You are told where to seek God's kingdom.

Seek ye first the kingdom of God within your heart and All thing will be added.

There, in your heart, within God's kingdom, you will find Jesus and have communion with Jesus, in His Spirit, as your King, Lord and savior.

God sent Jesus in His Spirit within your heart so you might become an adopted child of God (Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).

Jesus is well installed in God's kingdom within the hearts of humans.

Jesus' kingdom is not in this physical world. Also it is not carded for Jesus to return to earth in the flesh.

Jesus has already returned and is installed in His kingdom in the spirit world. Humans can have communion with Jesus only in the spirit world.

Humans must discern the Spirit of Jesus within their own hearts and be led into their works, on earth, by precisely what this Spirit has in mind for them to pray for say and do, as discerned within their own hearts or spirit. Then every thing will work for the good of all who are called to God's purpose on earth. Then God's will become done on earth and God's heaven becomes established on earth.

God's heaven and your heaven is identical. This means that anything (absolutely anything) that you want, God wants, more so, for you. However God can have communion with you and what you want only through the Spirit of Jesus which He sent into your heart or spirit. And Jesus, in His Spirit, can discern only what you want in your spirit or heart. This means that only what you want in your heart or spirit can and do reach God. So God can provide, for only the wants in your heart. God would never be aware of the ideas in your head.

This bring us to the role of Jesus, in His Spirit which God sent into our hearts or spirits.

In His Spirit Jesus makes intersession with God on our behalf. Jesus, through His Spirit, comes up with the most omniscient and expedient things which each of us must pray for, say and do by incorporating our own wishes at the level of our own hearts or spirit and the will of God for His creation at any point in time. When we search our own hearts to know precisely what this Spirit has in mind for us to pray for, say and do, we find or selves expressing and fulfilling the idea, beliefs, interests, need, desires and aspirations of our own individual hearts or spirits and the will of God simultaneously.

In this way we materialized the kingdom of God which exists in God's kingdom within our hearts or spirits, in the physical material world. This is the purpose of the physical material world.

I do not wish to confuse you. However it is of no value to not know Truth. It is senseless to be misguided. You will reach no where.

beloved57
June 11th, 2012, 01:46 PM
Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Do you know why The Father gave the Son the Spirit upon His arrival to heaven to sit on His Throne of Glory ? Acts 2:32-33

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Its because of such promises as Isa 44:3, for as a Reward for His Covenant Death, God the Father gives it that Jesus Christ's seed, all those He died for, shall be blessed with all Spiritual Blessing, which the Holy Spirit is the applier of !

This Promise has been applied to His Servant Jesus Christ, who bare the sins of Many, and Now He shall see His Seed Isa 53:10-11

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

He shall see His Seed that He died for, be born again of the Spirit and of incorruptible Seed. And this was a Spiritual Seed, not confine to only ethnic jews, but this Promise of the Spirit applied to His Seed amongst the Gentiles Gal 3:13-14


13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

What Blessing of Abraham ? This one Gen 22:17

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

Heb 6:13-14

13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

Yes, the Blessing here is Salvation and The Spirit of Promise applying the Spiritual Promise to all the Spiritual Seed of Abraham, from amongst the jews as evidenced in Acts 2 and amongst the Gentiles as evidenced in Acts 10, both were Abraham's Seed, and Christ's Seed of which Isa 44:3 was being fulfilled ! This Pouring Out of the Spirit is the capstone of " Surely Blessing I will Bless thee, and multiplying I would Multiply thee " With Spiritual Children of Faith ! Gal 3:16,29

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

That why we know it was Abraham's Spiritual Seed all the Time, because it was only His Seed through His Future Spiritual Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, who had a Seed Chosen in Him before the world Began. So Jesus is called the Son of Abraham to typify this Matt 1:1

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham[Gal 3:16].

SeraphimsCherub
June 11th, 2012, 02:25 PM
Yes my friend,and that's why Jesus,when He would heal people. He could "see" their "faith"{Abraham being the father of faith}. Jesus could super naturally see immediately that they were the spiritual "seed of Abraham". And therefore He would called them "Son" or "Daughter":
Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.

Notice how Jesus says Son with a captial letter. As though the Father In Jesus is saying to Himself...the "Son",who was in the sick man of the palsy. "Son,thy sins be forgiven thee". Because all the sins of Christ people,including this man's, Christ bore in His own body for the sake of that man's forgiveness,and everyone else for whom He personally bore their sins .

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

beloved57
June 11th, 2012, 02:30 PM
sera


Yes my friend

Do you undestand my point in that post ?

SeraphimsCherub
June 11th, 2012, 02:33 PM
sera



Do you undestand my point in that post ?

Yeah...i understand it.

beloved57
June 11th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Yeah...i understand it.

What do you understand me to be saying ?

beloved57
July 5th, 2012, 06:07 AM
1 Thess 1:5-6

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

One of the Great Benefits of Christ's Death, is that of the Holy Spirit in order to apply the saving effects of His Death, so it was when He was exalted to Heaven after His Resurrection and ascension, the Father awarded Him with the Holy Ghost t Acts 2:32-33

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

And of course we know of the blessed effects of this as we read what occurred on that day of pentecost and how souls were added to the Church Acts 2:47

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Now what happened here in 1 Thess 1, it is but as it was in Acts 2, the Word as preached by Peter was coming in power and the Holy Ghost and much assurance converting power!

This shows us how the New Covenant Israel was being formed by adding both jew and gentiles converts, Abraham's Seed of believers, they also receiving the Spirit of promise Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Remember God had said in the Gospel to Abraham Gal 3:8
-9
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

The Blessing is the Holy Spirit and His conversion work of bringing the gentiles and jews to Faith in Christ via the preached word !

beloved57
July 5th, 2012, 11:02 PM
The Holy Spirit gives Life ! But to who ?

Prov 12:28

In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

In the Covenant of Grace or the Everlasting Covenant, the Holy Spirit gives life, spiritual life, to all those Christ has died for, and has on their behalf satisfied law and Justice, and have had Righteousness laid to their account ! This Righteousness which is not their own, demands Life, as the saying is True, in the way of Righteousness is Life ! 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

beloved57
July 15th, 2012, 04:39 PM
1 Pet 1:1-2

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

All for whom Christ died shall be made obedient which is an effect and fruit of the success of His Death. The Holy Spirit is responsible in the Covenant engagement to bring all for whom Christ died to obedience to the Faith Rom 16:26

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

These here are the Elect of God, Elect according to the Foreknowledge of God the Father, because He chose them in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:3-4

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Thats why they are the foreknown, and they were Chosen to Obedience or to Faith and the Holy Spirit brings that about, this comes through the New Birth for they are begotten again by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This is how the Elect begin their New Life of Obedience, for the word begotten us again in the greek is the word anagennaō and means:


to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

We have our minds changed [repentance] so that we do live a new life, one conformed to the will of God, that's the beginning of Obedience !

This is but the fulfillment of the Covenant Promise that promised obedience Ezk 36:26-27


26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

You see that ? Thats promised obedience ! This is the Ministry of the New Covenant, the administration of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:5-8, So the Apostles knew as they were directed to Preach the Gospel , they knew that those who obeyed, that God had given them the Spirit Ezk 36:27

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

And so Peter declared that God had given the Spirit of promise to those obeying Him Acts 5:32

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Which are these 1 Pet 1:1-2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

If they were obeying, it was because they had partaken of the Holy Spirit's Sanctification !

beloved57
July 24th, 2012, 10:40 AM
One of the things the Spirit of God is bound to do within the Covenant Engagements of the Triune God, is to reveal Christ to the Church which He died Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it or died for it;

Jn 16:13-15

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

He shall show the Church His Covenant Ps 25:14

The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Now this is exemplified here by these words " Lord remember me" Lk 23:38-42

39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

The words of the Thief that hung next to Jesus ! What made him now say Lord remember me ? 1 Cor 12:3

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Yes, in the Twilight of his sinful life, the Holy Spirit shewed him his Salvation in Christ, and so repentance was granted him ! Earlier he mocked Christ along with the other malefactor Matt 27:38-44

38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,

40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,

42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

The thieves plural cast the same in his teeth. After this, one of those thieves had it revealed to him, who Jesus was , notice his words at conversion Lk 23:40-41

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

Thats an incredible statement to make, that a man has done nothing amiss !

This was none other than the Holy Spirit revealing to this thief his interest in God's Covenant, which God does to them that fear Him as obviously this dying their was made to do here Lk 23:40

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

God will give the Covenant Heart to fear God sooner or later Jer 32:40

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

This comes at New Birth. See how quick God can make a New Convert out of His Grace ? This is the Spirit's Work in the Salvation of everyone Christ died for !

beloved57
July 24th, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jn 10:10

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Christ always spoke in light of what His Death would accomplish for His People, His Sheep, His Church !

His giving up of His Life was automatically the giving of them Life, He would give not offer but give Life to the world of His Elect Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

This is the same abundant Life He purposed in Jn 10:10 !

This is Life Eternal as a result of Him fulfilling the Covenant obligations given to Him of the Father for the Sheep ! Heb 13:20-21

Because of this, a inner spiritual work must begin for each Sheep as indicated in vs 21 of Heb 13:21

That is the Holy Spirit works the Covenant benefits of Christ's death of redemption into all for whom He died, no exceptions, this Life given produces both faith and repentance that they may be evidences of the Life given them by Christ ! Jn 17:2,4

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Again this would be the end result of His Finished Work Vs 4 and the Holy Spirit works His New Birth Ministry according to Christ's Finish Work and gives it [New Birth] to as many as the Father gave Him in the Covenant !

Princely
July 24th, 2012, 07:48 PM
You are a thief. I am the good shepherd and you I do not know.

The works I do in my Father's name testify to me.
But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep.

It is written;

"A king will reign justly and princes will rule rightly.

Justice will bring about peace; right will produce rest and security.

Who of us can live with the consuming fire? who of us can live with the everlasting flames? He who does what is right and speaks the truth."

I know my sheep and my sheep know me, the same way my Father knows me and I know my Father, to these sheep I will give my life.

The Lord and I are One. He sent me.

beloved57
July 25th, 2012, 12:56 AM
prince


You are a thief. I am the good shepherd and you I do not know.

Do you understand the point I made in post 46 ?

beloved57
July 27th, 2012, 09:50 PM
Jn 6:29

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Faith to believe on Christ as He is set forth in the Gospel of God's Grace, it is worked in us by God Himself as a Covenant Blessing Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Its the operation of His Mighty Power Eph 1:19

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

And so it is the Faith of the New Creation Eph 2:10 that performs the believing, its the workmanship of God the Spirit; So it is " That whosoever is believing in Him [By the Power of the Spirit] shall be in possession [hath] everlasting Life Jn 5:24, they did not earn it because of a performed condition, but they were in possession of it when they began to believe ! There is a spiritual seeing of the Son and then believing on Him Jn 6:40, but the Spirit gave the eyes to see !

beloved57
August 12th, 2012, 11:37 PM
The Work of the Spirit in Salvation by Christ , Paul wrote 1 Cor 6:11

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Now just how are we members of The Church Justified by the Spirit of Our God, Our Covenant God ? Well, all for whom Christ died, He is their Saviour, because His Redemptive Death paid the full price they owed to God's Law and Justice, and He accomplished this for a whole World of men, and so it is that each member of this World of men shall be made to know sensibly of their sinfulness by nature, and of their natural unbelief, for the Glory of God through Christ Jesus. So one of the ways He Justifies those whom Christ died for, is that He gives them a right view of their sinfulness and unbelief Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Though all men are sinners by nature, none will deny, but not all are sensible to their sinfulness, as was the case with the pharisee and Publican Lk 18; Yes the pharisee in all his religious ways did not sensibly consider himself wicked and sinful before God as the Publican of which he conveniently pointed out Lk 18:11

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

But so much different was the tax collector's prayer, who was made sensible of his sinfulness and need of mercy, and so that is why Jesus stated that He came not to call the righteous [ who think they are] but sinners [made sensible by the Spirit] to repentance Matt 9:13. The point is, yes true, both men were sinners, but only one of them was made to know it sensibly and experientially, and to come to a sense of hopelessness, the reason being is that such ones are now being made to ready have a Righteousness of God, which they are in need of revealed to them as theirs through the Gospel !

beloved57
August 13th, 2012, 02:18 PM
Secondly, the Spirit Justifies when He reveals to the made sensible sinner, Christ Righteousness imputed to them, which means, He takes of things of Christ [ His Justifying Blood and Righteousness] and shows them to us Jn 16:14

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

That word shew is the greek word anaggellō and means:


to announce, make known

2) to report, bring back tidings, rehearse

It also means to declare as in Acts 20:27

Also the word is translated to Report as in 1 Pet 1:12

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Note: Though God may use human instruments to preach the Gospel, it will not be effective unless its also preached or declared by the Holy Ghost into us internally, and by this the Gospel is become the Power of God unto Salvation [conversion] to everyone who is believing, for by it a Righteousness of God is being revealed [By the Spirit's shewing] from Faith to Faith, and hence cometh to pass the sure promise, The Just shall live by Faith, made so [Just] by the obedience and blood of Jesus Christ Rom 1:16-17; Rom 5:19, and the Spirit makes it known. Therefore by this Revealing work of the Spirit, He works Faith or Believing, for there is no True Faith or Believing without first something is revealed to give us the reason to believe, a fact to rest on; and this is where Faith and Repentance have their togetherness, in that we are turned from dead works to Faith in Christ, resting and trusting in what has been revealed consciously, His Righteousness Imputed, and so believing is of the Work of God [Holy Spirit] in Us Jn 6:29, By this The Spirit Justifies us !

beloved57
August 13th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Finally, it is by the Work of the Holy Spirit, that saving witness is obtained that one is a Child of God, and that we had a Personal interest in that Righteousness of God that Christ wrought out for God's Elect People, His Israel of God, and so it is by this internal witness Rom 8:16

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit and inner conscious, that we are the children of God:

And by this comes our Conscious Justification, that is we have now been declared Righteous Consciously, and so Justified in the Name of the Lord [on account of His Imputed Righteousness] and by the Spirit of Our God, who it is that shews to us this Great Blessing !

beloved57
August 13th, 2012, 08:18 PM
We see God the Holy Spirit work His Power in causing both Faith and Repentance on the day of Pentecost only days earlier, some had Crucified Christ in Unbelief, Peter made mention of it Acts 2:23

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

But now that the Spirit had come, when the Day of Pentecost had fully arrived, it was to them a Spirit of Grace or the Grace of the Spirit causing them to Look upon Him whom they had pierced Zech 12:10

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look[Faith] upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn[Godly Sorrow] for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

And so it True of what Paul wrote later 1 Cor 12:3, for these people on that Day were beginning to Calling Jesus Lord and Christ by the Holy Spirit !

beloved57
August 30th, 2012, 07:38 AM
The Spirit's Work is to Glorify Christ !

Jn 16:14

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

That word Glorify here means in this context:

) to cause the dignity and worth of some person or thing to become manifest and acknowledged

This should put to shame those blasphemers who say, that Christ's Death is worthless apart from the Work of The Spirit, may God hold them to that in the Day of Judgment !

This Work of the Spirit is accomplished, Glorifying Christ, by bringing all for whom Christ died into Faith or Obedience. That is what in meant here Acts 5:32

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Or He has given to those now obeying Him, the Spirit being the Author of that Obedience !

1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Again, obedience coming from the Spirit's Sanctifying Work !

He successfully makes known to all the Heirs of Grace the Value and Worth of Christ's Finished Work, and of His Person as God Man !

He not only Glorifies Christ by the Believers initial Believing in Christ for Righteousness and Salvation, but He also is the cause of our continuing in the Faith of Christ, and Living in the Faith of the Son of God, who Loved us and Gave Himself for us Gal 2:20

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

beloved57
September 2nd, 2012, 03:53 AM
The Covenant Work of the Holy Spirit under the New Covenant ministration is primarily Gospel Centered, Evangelical Centered in making ready a people prepared of the Lord Lk 1:17

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.



Making ready the redeemed of the Lord, by capacitatiing them spiritually to embrace the good news of their Salvation. This He does by giving them New Birth, by this He gives them a Spiritual and Sanctified Understanding to spiritually discern the Eternal Truths of the Everlasting Gospel Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

1 Cor 2:12-14

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things the Gospel reveals !

This scripture without doubt confirms New Birth preceding believing the Gospel and in order to to believing it Eph 1:13

13 Which things also we speak [The Gospel], not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If not for this, the Preaching of the Eternal Truths of the Gospel would be but foolishness 1 Cor 1:18, that same word foolishness is used again in 1 Cor 2:14, so that reasonably denotes that the Preaching of the Cross in 1 Cor 1:18 and the things of the Spirit of God in 1 Cor 2:14 are one and the same, for Paul makes it plain what was the principle of His Preaching here 1 Cor 2:2, this makes it even more plainer that the things of God in vs 14 were related to the Preaching of the Cross or Christ Crucified. The Holy Spirit makes the Called one's meet by New Birth, to be called into the fellowship with the Father and His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor 1:9 ; 2 Thess 2:14, for this Blessed Call in the Gospel and Holy Call 2 Tim 1:9 would not go out to sinners dead in trespasses and sins and yet unholy, alienated from the Life of God, and yet still enemies in their minds by wicked works, for God does not call for and summons fellowship with the likes of that, we must already be spiritually prepared for the Lord !

beloved57
September 4th, 2012, 12:56 PM
Jn 16:8-10



8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

He shall reprove or convince the World of sin, a very specific world, for the article is present before it, it is the World that God so Loved, that He gave His only Begotten Son in behalf of Jn 3:16 for its sins 1 Cor 15:3, and so it is in alignment with this Purpose, The Holy Ghost convinces or reproves each member of this World of their experiential union with the fallen adam, and the corruption of our human nature because of it, the enmity and unbelief in our hearts, and the perverseness and slavery of our wills to sin, and then it cometh to pass, that they are all Taught of God, and learned of Him, of their depravity and lack of strength [ Rom 5:6] and so then they come to Christ, via the Gospel and have revealed to them a Righteousness Jn 6:45

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

The teaching and learning here are both providential and doctrinal and spiritual as it relates to the Gospel by which their Righteousness is Revealed Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

beloved57
April 2nd, 2013, 09:41 AM
Acts 7:51

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

The word resist here is the greek word antipiptō and means:

to fall upon, run against

2) to be adverse, oppose, strive against

This resisting of the Spirit or the Holy Ghost is when the natural man, dead in sins, manifests his enmity of heart, of his uncircumcised heart at that, of the Testimony of the Truth given by God's Servants, for instance when Stephen testified of the Truth to dead spiritually jews here it is stated Acts 7:51-52

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Now compare with Neh 9:30

30 Yet many years didst thou forbear them, and testifiedst against them by thy spirit in thy prophets: yet would they not give ear: therefore gavest thou them into the hand of the people of the lands.

This is a external work of the Spirit for testification, and has nothing to do with His Work of Giving Life/ New Birth, or His Sanctifying Work unto belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

This is when God the Spirit actually gives a circumcised heart ! Deut 30:6

And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Stephen knew that the jews he spake to in Acts 7:51-52 were not of this seed !

beloved57
April 25th, 2013, 04:38 PM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


No one can believe the Truth of God without first being partakers of this Work of the Spirit, for thats His main Purpose for being sent into the World for Christ's Sake ! For its by His Work here that all for whom Christ died are given a Saving Knowledge of the Truth, that is, for all God does desire to come into the Knowledge of the Truth as stated here 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The Holy Spirit answers God's desire and will here to bring all these men to the Truth.

By this [Sanctifying] Work of the Spirit in them, they are given Spiritual discernment to embrace the Things of God, the Truth of God 1 Cor 2:12-14

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.[Which things the Truth set forth]

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You see that ? The Knowledge of the Truth to save us cannot be known apart from the Spirit's Work, because they are things spiritually discerned.

He is then to them [all whom Christ died] a Spirit of Wisdom as per Eph 1:17-18

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:


18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

A Hope called to by the Gospel ! Col 1:5

For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

beloved57
April 25th, 2013, 06:01 PM
1 Thess 2:13

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Whenever we read of any receiving the Word of God or Truth thats an evidence of them having already been Sanctified by the Spirit unto belief of the Truth. For instance we read of some jews in berea Acts 17:10-11

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

They received the truth with readiness of mind, thats because of the Spirit's Sanctifying Work 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Unto belief of the Truth as in the Gospel, the Word of Truth Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

These here without the Spirit's activity of 2 Thess 2:13 would not have spiritually heard the Truth nor Trusted in it.

Eph 1:13 is not describing the activity of the Natural man in the flesh, who is at enmity with God Rom 8:7-8

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

These do not receive the Word of Truth with all readiness of mind !

beloved57
May 14th, 2013, 09:05 PM
Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Its the Work of the Spirit of God,as an confirmation to and a extension of the Blessed Effects and Accomplishments of Christ's Saving, Redeeming Death, to give Faith or cause to Believe everyone in that World for whom Christ died and is their Saviour. He will persuade them to believe on Him, for He works Faith in them by His Power 1 Thess 1:5

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

This is that operation of power that effects Faith or Belief Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

2 Thess 1:11

11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

All True Believers are the True Children of Abraham, the Father of the Faithful Rom 4:11-12, and so the Spirit begets in his Children of Promise, the same like precious Faith as it did in him Gal 3:14

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. The we are all Abraham's Spiritual Children.

It gives the same kind of Faith it did Father Abraham, whom He fully Persuaded that what God had promised, He was able to Perform Rom 4:21

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

True Faith or Persuasion in the Gospel is produced by the Power of God, also stands by the same Power 1 Cor 2:5

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Pet 1:5

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Which Faith Father Abraham was given and had Rom 4:21; and the Persuasion of Faith whether OT or NT is the Result of the Spirit's Work, and premised on Christ's Finished and accomplished Work !

The Holy Spirit shall bring the World Christ died for to Faith !

TheWingsOfWisdom
May 14th, 2013, 09:21 PM
I am saved by the Spirit of God. How are you saved?

Epoisses
May 14th, 2013, 11:34 PM
I am saved by the Spirit of God. How are you saved?

By faith of course. Definitely not by your putrid works.

beloved57
June 4th, 2013, 11:32 PM
Eph 1:13-14

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

What is this Holy Spirit of Promise ? Remember Peter Preached also Acts 2:38-39

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

The Spirit is a Promised Gift by God to all the Seed. Isa 44:1-3

Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun [Israel], whom I have chosen.

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

This Seed are those who belong to Christ, God's Chosen, and of course, all them Chosen in Him Eph 1:4, are His Seed, and so the Promise of the Holy Spirit is being Promised to be poured upon His Seed, Hence the Spirit of Promise.

The Spirit of Promise was promised by God the Father, to the Son of God, for His Faithful Obedience unto the engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, whereby He would die for the sins of His Seed given Him Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

His Seed here is that which went astray as sheep Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

And it was for them, their iniquity, that Christ died and was raised, and because of His successful Life and death in satisfying God's Law on their behalf, His Ascension, He was in behalf of them, and for their spiritual good, given a Reward, that was to Pour out of the Spirit of Promise unto them,to them He Justified, Acts 2:33

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

This begins the fulfillment of the Promise from Isa 44:1-3. That's why also Isa 53:10 celebrates that Christ shall see [care for or provide care for] His Seed

He will pour out the Spirit of Promise upon that Seed He died for, that it be for their Spiritual Conversion, Upon each member of that Seed, and their Salvation will be announced by their Spiritual Hearing through the Gospel, they shall believe it, and be sealed with that Holy Spirit of Promise. He seals each member of that Seed of His [Isa 53:10] in the Truth of the Gospel of their Salvation, and the Spirit of Promise shall be given to all the Seed, and as to many as God shall call of that Seed up unto the End of the Age Acts 2:38-39

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Isa 44:3


3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring or Children Yes, even all the Children God gave to Christ Heb 2:13

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

beloved57
July 7th, 2013, 07:30 PM
God the Holy Spirit is sent by Covenant Engagement, in the Eternal Purpose of God, to give Life to all for whom Christ died, which would be His Sheep Jn 10:11,15. By His Death for them they shall be made Righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This means they shall be born again to show to be Righteous, just as they were born sinners to show to be sinners. Each act by Each Head produces a Birth for those they Represented, by adam a physical birth which showed us to be sinners, by Christ a Spiritual Birth that will show us to be Righteous. The Holy Spirit is the author through Christ, of that Spiritual Life in the New Birth.

beloved57
July 9th, 2013, 02:43 PM
The New Birth only occurs when God gives life to a dead sinner Eph 2:5, this Life is communicated from Christ by the Spirit of God on His Behalf, because He is a quickening Spirit 1 Cor 15:47

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam[Jesus Christ] was made a quickening spirit. See Jn 5:21

The Spirit works in behalf of Him Jn 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

For those Christ died for and paid full law and Justice in behalf of, they are entitled to New Life, so The Spirit enters into them as a Spirit of Life in Christ Rom 8:2;Rev 11:11

And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet

It is then with this New Life from God are we enabled to obey the Gospel Commands of Faith and Repentance, which before the natural man dead in sin cannot begin to do in the flesh Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Hence, All Gospel obediences are evidences of their New Life from Christ by the Spirit entering into them and New Birth.

beloved57
July 14th, 2013, 04:20 AM
By His Death alone [Jesus Christ] and because of its infinite merit and efficaciousness of His Blood, He has effectually redeemed all God's Elect, those given to Him Jn 17:2, which are all for whom He died, and by doing so He obtained for them and in their behalf their Eternal Redemption Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Hence, also does the Holy Spirit apply or bestow the benefits of that Redemption Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The Promise Blessing is the Spirit, and notice that Paul uses the pronoun we when speaking of the gentiles, that we [both jew and gentile seed of Abraham] might receive the promise of the Spirit through Faith.

This Promise blessing of Abraham is not offered or made available, but it comes on the Redeemed, both jew and gentile sons of Abraham.

Princely
July 14th, 2013, 01:01 PM
By His Death alone [Jesus Christ] and because of its infinite merit and efficaciousness of His Blood, He has effectually redeemed all God's Elect, those given to Him Jn 17:2, which are all for whom He died, and by doing so He obtained for them and in their behalf their Eternal Redemption Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Hence, also does the Holy Spirit apply or bestow the benefits of that Redemption Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The Promise Blessing is the Spirit, and notice that Paul uses the pronoun we when speaking of the gentiles, that we [both jew and gentile seed of Abraham] might receive the promise of the Spirit through Faith.

This Promise blessing of Abraham is not offered or made available, but it comes on the Redeemed, both jew and gentile sons of Abraham.

Those who are given to the son of man become the servant of God and do the will of God so as to walk in the light of the Lord as Jesus did and sow justice to the people.

"Sow justice for yourself and reap the fruits of piety, says the Lord"

"Turn to me all you ends of the earth and be saved for I am God their is no other. There is no righteous and saving God but me. There is no saviour but me, says the Lord"

Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for yourselves.
For my yoke is upright, and my burden is light.

beloved57
July 15th, 2013, 03:46 PM
Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

They are given Faith in Christ by the Spirit given them,so that they may live Like those who are not under the Law Gal 3:10

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Instead they shall live by Faith, for the Just shall live by Faith. he Just are all for whom Christ died and redeemed from the curse of the Law.

All who rely on works of the Law for Justification, are under its curse, yes even if we are by our supposed faith , are act of believing is that which Justified us before God, even that is something done by us Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Who can deny that Jesus here identifies Faith that was left undone, and out to have been done [an deed or action performed]

You see works of the Law can cover a large spectrum, it includes any and everything we feel we must DO in order to secure unto us Justification before God. If we believe we must keep or obey a commandment to secure the Favour and Justification before God, t defaults to Justification by keeping the Law or by our works, and hence the curse.

If we believe our Justification before God was determined by anything DONE by us, or we did, we for sure hear these words Matt 7:22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

This can not happen to any for whom Christ died and redeemed from the curse of the Law, and gave them His Spirit to live by Faith in Christ.

beloved57
August 16th, 2013, 06:13 AM
Rom 8:9-11

9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d] because of righteousness.

11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[e] his Spirit who lives in you.

12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.

We are debtors to the Spirit to Live after the Spirit !

All those Christ has died for, He also rose for, and all such ones are now debtors, or obligated to live after the Spirit. Yes, all for whom He died, He redeemed, that is He purchased them, and as a seal of the purchase of redemption, they are sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise.

All for whom He died are a purchased possession as here 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a dedicated nation, [God’s] own purchased, special people, that you may set forth the wonderful deeds and display the virtues and perfections of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

Eph 1:14

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

John Gill writes:


until the redemption of the purchased possession, or "of the peculiar people"; see 1 Peter 2:9, for this is not to be understood of heaven, which is never said to be purchased, nor can it with any propriety be said to be redeemed; but of saints, of the church of God, who are bought with a price, and are purchased with his blood; and who, as they were redeemed from sin, Satan, and the law, when they were purchased, so will be redeemed again in the resurrection morn, which is called the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30, and which will be a redemption of them from the weakness, corruption, and mortality of the body; from their present state of absence and pilgrimage; from the body of sin and death; from all sorrows and afflictions, both inward and outward; from the reproaches and persecutions of men; from a tempting devil, and an unbelieving heart; from all doubts and fears; and from death and the grave; and so the Syriac version very justly renders it, "until the redemption of them that are saved". Now till such time, the Spirit of God abides as an earnest, even until the whole felicity is enjoyed both in soul and body; and this shows the perpetuity of the Spirit's inhabitation, and grace, the final perseverance of the saints, and the security of the inheritance to them.


Thats why Paul says of the body of believers 1 Cor 6:20

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Understand something, The Body of the Believer became God's not at the time of the redeemed one believing, but when Christ redeemed them by His Blood shed, the believers act of believing did not purchase his Body, Christ's Blood did. The Lord is for the body before we believe. 1 Cor 6:13

13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

Now because all for whom Christ died are become His Purchased Possession, they are by Him sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

That word sealed is the greek word sphragizō:

to set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal, ownership and security

to attest ownership, authorizing (validating) what is sealed.

Also it says they are sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise ! What does that mean ?

beloved57
August 16th, 2013, 06:48 AM
Why is it called the Holy Spirit of Promise ? Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Thats Because the Spirit is promised to all Christ's Seed that He died for. Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

The Seed is whom He made His Soul an Offering for sin for. And so the Spirit they [The Seed] must have. This was Promised in type here Isa 44:1-5

Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty[See Isa 55:1], and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

Look closely at Vs 3, the promise is given

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Please note also that the Spirit promised here is also a Promised Blessing !See Gal 3:14 !

Now here in Isa, the Lord Jesus Christ is meant by the Lord's Chosen; Lets compare Isa 44:1 with Isa 42:1

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Isa 44:1

Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

He is also Identified as Israel the Servant Isa 49:1-3

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

And of course, this Servant had been given a Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed or offspring, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

10 Yet it was the will of the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief and made Him sick. When You and He make His life an offering for sin [and He has risen from the dead, in time to come], He shall see His [spiritual] offspring, He shall prolong His days, and the will and pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.AMP

And so to His Seed the Lord had promised this Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Immediately upon Jesus Ascension to heaven after having giving His Soul an offering for the sin of His Seed, He received from the Father this Acts 2:33

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost , he hath shed[poured] forth this, which ye now see and hear.

You see, that receiving the Spirit of Promise was in order to the accomplishing and fulfillment of the Promise of Isa 44:3 and many other purposes, one of which is the sealing of the purchased possession Eph 1:13-14.

So God was no fool, to have His Son die for a People and not to have that People through His Death, to be converted to Him, for that would have been a waste of Wisdom, Power and Time, Grace !

So all for whom He died are made a debtor to live a New Life by the Spirit, and so they all are given the Holy Spirit of Promise. Thats why it is written a Seed shall serve Him Ps 22:30

A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

What Seed ? This Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

And that Seed shall serve Him by means of this Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

beloved57
August 31st, 2013, 10:20 PM
The Holy Spirit is not given to individuals based upon a condition they must first perform, but it's given to individuals based upon Divine Promise. First its a promise from the Father to the Son based upon and as a reward to Him for His finished work, and so when He ascended to the Right Hand of God the Father after His Resurrection, the Father gave unto Him the Spirit. Jesus mentions Him here as the Promise Acts 1:4

4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Then its mentioned again as a promise in Peters sermon Acts 2:33

3 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Now understand something, Christ rose and ascended as the Surety Head of His Body the Church, For He is it's Head and Saviour Substitute, So when He received the Spirit from the Father as promised, it was in behalf of, to be given to all for whom He died to save/redeem.

Now that the Spirit was received by the Head and Saviour of the Church, Jesus Christ, He was responsible to pour Him upon all the members of His Body, from among the jews and from among the Gentiles, all who was redeemed by His Death Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Notice also how believers were redeemed from the curse of the Law in Vs 13, not by their act of believing, but by Him being made a curse, hence by His death alone !

Through Christ the Spirit is given to Abraham's Spiritual Seed amongst the jews Acts 2, and his seed among the Gentiles Acts 10 [Cornelius]; So Peter was mindful later how God had given the Spirit to the Gentile remnant as well as to the jewish Acts 11:15-17

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Also notice something here that is extremely important, notice how they received the gift God gave them, Peter said the Spirit [which was the gift given] that it fell upon them Vs 15 and thats how they received the Gift Vs 17.

The point is, when God gives a Gift, its not an offer to someone in order that they now have a choice to either accept it or reject it, but its Sovereignly given by a Sovereign and the recipients are put into the possession of the Gift, according to the will of that Sovereign, See also Gift in Rom 5:15,17; Eph 3:7 for the same word for Gift.

The point is this, all for whom Christ died, and by His death alone redeemed them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13, they shall be given and shall receive the Gift of the Spirit according to a faithful Promise Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Just like the Spirit fell upon Cornelius, it is given to all the gentile elect. Its impossible for any that Christ died for, was made a curse for or in behalf of, not to be given and receive the Promise of the Spirit through Faith [Of Jesus Christ].

The Spirit being given to all for whom Christ died for fulfills the Promise of Blessing through Abraham's Seed, which Promise first mentioned here Gen 12:3

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:25

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Gal 3:8,14

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Thats how the Nations were Blessed by Abraham's Seed Jesus Christ, by being given the Spirit from Christ because He redeemed them from the curse of the law by being made a curse for them !

beloved57
September 2nd, 2013, 06:49 AM
The Sin against the Spirit !

What is meant by this ? It's not meant that particular sin against the Spirit of Blasphemy that Jesus mentions here Matt 12:31

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

However what is meant by this statement is that men do deny the Role or Applicatory Work of the Spirit of the Efficacious Death of Christ to all whom He died and Redeemed by His Blood !

Instead, so that men may glory, It is taught by majority that Christ's Redemptive Death is only saving or applied after man by his own freewill or act of believing is exercised, hence the application of salvation is initiated by the will or act of man. So man is given credit as the responsible party as initiating the application of Christ's Saving Merits, and not the Spirit, save in a secondary subordinate role to the will of man, yes some say the Spirit may initiate it [the application] but man must confirm it , hence still depriving the Spirit of all the Credit for conversion, giving in to the freewill of man.

This thinking to say the Least is a flagrant sin against the Holy Ghost of God, against His Great Power. Zech 4:6

Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

Any Good work or deed we act which is pleasing to God, is begun by the Spirit working in us both to will and do of His Good Pleasure Phil 1:6

6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Phil 2:13

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The Spirit of God should be solely acknowledged as the Applier of Christ's Saving work of the Cross and that according to the Will of God only, and not the will of man in any respect !

So to attribute Salvation in any degree to the will of man is a sin against the Spirit. Also the word blasphemy does carry the connotation of failure to acknowledge the Good of. Its the word blasphémeó:

I speak evil against, blaspheme, use abusive or scurrilous language about (God or men).

blasphēméō(from blax, "sluggish, slow" and 5345 /phḗmē, "reputation, fame") – properly, refusing to acknowledge good (worthy of respect, veneration); hence, to blaspheme which reverses moral values.

So to refuse to acknowledge the Good Work of the Spirit in the application of Salvation to all for whom Christ died and redeemed can fall into a category of Blaspheme against Him. Due Veneration and Respect for Him is refused to be acknowledged so that the will of man may share in the application of Salvation.

beloved57
January 20th, 2014, 11:25 AM
2 Cor 3:3-9

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

This is Paul describing the New Covenant Ministry, its the Ministry of the Spirit's Application of the New Covenant Blessings of the Death of Christ. Remember the Promises of the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34


31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

and Ezekiel 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Now to the Corinthians he writes of something being written as in Jer 31:33

2 Cor 3:3

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

So what is the Ministration of the Spirit ? Its the New Covenant Ministry, whereby the Spirit applies, makes known to the Chosen of God their Righteousness and Salvation in their Covenant Head the Lord Jesus Christ.

You see, Jesus was not given as a Covenant Head in the New Covenant for only Elect Jews, but also for Elect Gentiles Isa 42:6

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Paul was a New Covenant Minister for the Spiritual Application of its Covenant Mercies to the Gentiles of the Spiritual Seed of Abraham !

The Covenant in Isa 42:6 is the same as the one in 2 Cor 3:6 called Testament !

The word ministration is the greek word Diakonia and means:

service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others
of those who by the command of God proclaim and promote religion among men

The Holy Spirit is acting as an Servant within the Covenant to bring the Covenant People to Gospel Obedience through the Preaching of the Apostles, the Ministers of the New Covenant. The Covenant People are the Many for whom He shed His Blood for Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

And Paul and others were made able ministers of that same new testament 2 Cor 3:6

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

To whomever the Spirit giveth life, the New Testament Gospel gives Life, and so the Gospel is to some Life unto Life 2 Cor 2:16

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

The Spirit gives Life to the Covenant People to bring about their evangelic obedience to the Faith Rom 16:25-26

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Romans 15:16

16 That I should be the minister [of the New Testament] of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Basically Paul here is acknowledging his New Covenant Ministry unto the Gentiles to bring about their Gospel Obedience attended by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth or Gospel Obedience 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

That's the administration of the Spirit, = sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Remember the Parabel where the servant is sent out to complet them to come in Lk 14:23

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

That compeling them to come in is the administration of the Spirit and the Gospel Minister effectually bring in the Elect from all Nations.

That word compel is the greek word anagkazó:


I force, compel, constrain, urge.

The compelling here does not mean by threats,but by entreaties , and by application

Remember the Apostles call to the reconciled 2 Cor 5:20

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

What is often overlooked here is that "be ye reconciled to God" is in the passive voice, a imperative. they the subjects are being acted upon by the application of the Spirit actually turning them to God. Acts 26:18

18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

The Spirit brings about their conversion by force or power of the Gospel Rom 1:16

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

That word power is the word Dunamis:

strength power, ability inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
power for performing miracles
moral power and excellence of soul
the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
power and resources arising from numbers
power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

These things define the compeling of the Servant in Lk 14:23

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

This designs to tell us that The Servant must exert His Will, Power, His Ability to bring the Called Guest into the Supper !

This is the Administration of the Spirit, the Spiritual Application of the New Covenant that is in the Blood of Christ for the Many, from among the jews and the Gentiles !

beloved57
February 22nd, 2014, 11:28 PM
The Spirit's Role in Salvation of those for whom Christ died for ! All for whom He died and reconciled to God even while they were being enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The Promise to them, being thus reconciled by His death, is that they shall be saved by His Life !

They shall be saved out of being God's Enemies, out of a experimental Lost condition, by Regeneration which is the Spirit's Role and Saving application to the one for whom Christ died Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

This is a must saving if indeed Jesus Christ is Our Saviour ! Those He died for , if Christ is their Saviour, must, no question about it, but they must be Saved by the washing of Regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost through their Saviour or He was not our Saviour plain and simple !

After the Son has accomplished His Saving Death of Redemption, the Father through the Son sends forth the Holy Spirit to apply the Salvation benefits of Christ's redeeming death Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

This describes the Application of Redemption, sending forth the spirit into their Hearts !

This was Promised long ago by the Prophets Ezekiel 36:26,27

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This Promise to put His Spirit within them is fulfilled in Gal 4:6

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Understand something, without His Saving Work or Role , the Saving Death of Christ is aborted is nullified, unfruitful, lacking in producing Saving Effects to the Glory of the Father.

Basically the Redemptive Death of Christ, does a work for us and in us, by the Saving Work of the New Birth, or its also called the Sanctification of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13 or He being sent into Our Hearts Gal 4:6, if not for this, Christ's Redemptive Death is a complete Failure and flop !

beloved57
February 23rd, 2014, 12:50 AM
The Spirit had a role in the Spiritual Application of the Benefits of Christ's death, and that is why Jesus said to His disciples Jn 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

This is the same sending as in Gal 4:6

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The Spirit's role was given Him in the Council of the Everlasting Covenant, He was to work in those for whom Christ shed His Blood for Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Vs 21 here is basically giving the Outcome of the New Birth, the Saving described in Titus 3:5, its the result of having the Spirit sent into our Hearts through Jesus Christ .

The Redeemed sinner remains dead in sin Eph 2:5 and needs to be quickened to Life or given a Spiritual Resurrection or Renewing, and this is done by the Spirit through the Son Jn 5:21

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Jn 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

This is connected with an impartation of Life, a supernatural , miraculous Work of the Spirit.

Its liken to the Resurrection of Lazarus from the dead, out of his grave, and before the redeemed sinner can believe in Christ, call upon His Name, or put Faith in Him, He must first be made Spiritually alive, quickened to Call upon His Name, for David wrote Ps 80:18

18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

And this comes in the economy of Salvation following the Spirit's quickening Role , for then the sinner is set free from satans Gospel Blinding power 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The reigning power of satan is primarily responsible for Unbelief, But the Spirit, for Christ's sake saves those He died for from this Power and an entrance is made for the Light of the Gospel to shine in Our Hearts ! Thank God for the Spirit's Role in Salvation through Christ !

beloved57
March 3rd, 2014, 05:27 PM
1 Jn 5:10

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

That witness being the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth by New Birth; Hence that one who is of the Truth as Per the Saviour Jn 18:37

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Such a one can now bear witness to the Truth revealed to them by the Word and Spirit, The Truth of God in the Gospel Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

We must be of the Truth Jn 18:37 to hear [spiritually] the Word of Truth, and so Hearing bears witness that we have been given Eternal Life as a Gift of the Spirit, which confirms Jesus Testimony here Jn 5:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

The Hearing and Believing here is evidence of one possessing Eternal Life [New Birth], otherwise in the flesh we cannot Hear God's Word, or Christ's Voice.

Its only after the Spirit in New Birth bearing witness with Our Human Spirit, that we are the Children of God, that we can Spiritually receive the Truth in the Gospel, to Spiritually discern it and mentally regard it !

Because the Carnal Mind without the Spirit is at enmity with God Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

beloved57
March 3rd, 2014, 06:45 PM
Eph 4:30

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

One of the main purposes of a seal is to mark ownership, legal right of possession; proprietorship.

Now this is in line with the Truth of Redemption, for in Redemption all for whom Christ died have been purchased with a price, and are His purchased possession, and so by that He sends the Seal of the New Birth, Heart Circumcision, because without the Spirit, there is no evidence that we are His own possession Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

He did not purchase you by His Blood !

2 Cor 1:22

22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Listen, If Christ died and redeemed us, then to prove that He did, to confirm our being purchased, He seals us with His Spirit in our Hearts by New Birth, for the Redeemed have the Spirit sent into their Hearts Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

That word redeem in Vs 5 the greek word exagorazō means to:

II.to buy up, to buy up for one's self, for one's use

Paul writes in 1 Cor 6:20

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

That price is not our believing, our repentance, or anything we did, but it was the Precious blood of Christ, AND THATS IT !

That alone made everyone He died for His Purchased Possession, and that entitled them to be sealed by the Spirit as a mark of His Owner Ship redemptively by His Blood !

The Only way a man or women does not receive this Sealing of the Spirit is because they were none of His Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Because the Spirit is proof of ownership !

beloved57
March 4th, 2014, 08:30 AM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

The Sanctification of the Spirit, this Spiritual Blessing as Per Eph 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

It is the direct result and effect of Christ's redeeming / atoning Death or Blood, meaning all for whom He died, shed His Blood, MUST be Sanctified or Set Apart by the Spirit, in order to partake of the Spiritual Benefits of His Death, which is a bequeathal of Spiritual blessings ; for without this work of the Spirit, Christ's redemptive death would have been unfruitful to God, which would be contrary to its purpose by God Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Without it the beneficiaries would have remained in Unbelief, so by it, the Sanctification of the Spirit, results the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

The word belief here interestingly enough is the Greek noun Pistis and means:

conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it relating to God

Its Translated Faith 239 times in the NT

It also results in obedience 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Hence obedience and Faith in this are the same, and so we have such biblical expressions as Rom 16:26

But now is made manifest , and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Now on the Eve of His Death, Christ made a request of the Father to those He was about to die for Jn 17:17

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

And lest we attempt to confine this requested blessing to only His then disciples Vs 20 states otherwise :

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

beloved57
March 4th, 2014, 04:46 PM
The request of Christ for the sanctification of those He was about to die for, stated as V19

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

This request was according to the will of God, and so this promise applied to the Man Jesus Christ moreso than to any other Man in the flesh 1 Jn 5:14-15

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Also 1 Jn 3:22

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Yes, while in the flesh, The Lord most certainly kept the Commandments of God, and always did that which pleased His Father Jn 8:29

And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Hence upon completion of His Cross Work, His Work of Redemption,and His ascension to the Right Hand of God, a rewar was given Him in answer to His petition, notice Acts 2:33

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

He received of the Father, the Promise of the Holy Ghost or Spirit, and with that He commissions the Spirit to apply His Saving benefits upon those He died, to Sanctify them unto belief of the Truth as Per 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

And with that the petition has been granted by the Father of this request Jn 17:17

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Not only was the request for His Immediate disciples, but for all who shall believe on Him through their word of testimony, to include the scriptures Jn 17:19-20

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Now understand something, if anyone for whom Christ sanctified Himself for Vs 19, meaning His Death, if anyone of them don't come to Faith, Belief of the Truth by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit, then His Prayer request was denied by the Father !

beloved57
March 5th, 2014, 05:43 AM
Also, If not for the Sovereign Work of the Spirit, through the Merits of Christ's Redemptive Obedience unto Death, none of those for whom Christ died could have believed in Him through the Gospel, the Word of Truth. We believe in the Everlasting Covenant established before time began, the Holy Ghost concurred in the Divine Purpose, to Sanctify all of the Election of Grace, those whom the Father chose in Christ, and the same being the objects of Christ's Redeeming Blood, His Word in the Covenant, was to bring all the Chosen Heirs unto Belief of the Truth, which is another way of saying, Faith in Christ 2 Thess 2:13; Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

That's the Work of God, but specifically God the Sanctifying Spirit !

beloved57
March 5th, 2014, 08:10 AM
All for whom Christ died are Justified legally by His Meritorious Blood, however it is accompanied in a matter of time, a Justification by the Spirit of God, which Justification equates to Sanctification of the Spirit 1 Cor 6:11

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Justification in the Name of the Lord Jesus [His Death/ Blood] brings Justification by the Spirit of God !

Now the Holy Spirit must Sanctify/ Justify experimentally all those Christ's Death / Blood Sanctified/ Justified Legally as Per Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified/made Holy/ Righteous through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Because what His [Christ's] Sanctification entails , they must be Sanctified internally, which the Spirit performs in them with the New Birth !

beloved57
March 6th, 2014, 12:08 AM
Jn 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The Spirits Work of Sanctification is just as significant and necessary for Salvation 2 Thess 2:13 as the Death of Christ is ! Someone may say that's overstating it , for certainly Christ's Blood is more Essential and important in Salvation than the Work of the Spirit ; after all the Spirit never died for anyone's sins ; However the very reason why His Sanctifying Saving Work is so essential and important, its because of the Merits and transcendency of His Death, that it should produce Life Giving Effects Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

It, His dying, yields a harvest of new lives, it yields the harvest of wheat. Matt 13:30

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Jesus being analogous to a Corn of Wheat in Vs 24, dies and produces more corns of wheat, that's the effects of His Death, and why the Spirit is Necessary to produce that effect. Without the Work of the Spirit, His Sanctifying Work unto belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13, the Meritorious Death of Christ gives no Life to confirm and validate the supreme Merits of His Death, Its Legal Merits; So its because Christ's Death is so Meritorious in and of itself, its that which makes the Spirit's Work indispensable !

beloved57
March 7th, 2014, 12:06 AM
Even though false religion refuses to bow down to divine revelation that man in the flesh cannot come / believe on Christ, yet its true anyway, and thats why God's Elect must be drawn to Christ by the Father, which drawing is by the Spirit of God !

John 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Folks, this statement " no man can come to me " MEANS Believe on Him, come to Him in Faith ! No man can do that, that demolishes the false teaching of freewill right there !

Now the word draw here is a strong word, because it denotes God's Power, the Power of the Holy Spirit, its the greek word helkō and means:

I.
to draw, drag off

II.
metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

Jesus means this metaph use, to draw by inward power or lead or impel. Remember Jesus said of His Sheep that He leads them out Jn 10:1-4

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

It can be said " He fetches them out " or that He brings them out, the point being, its done by Him, His Power ! This is the ideal of Jn 6:44 that they are drawn, and its the Power of the Spirit to be exact.

God's Spirit and His Work is related to Power for instance here Zech 4:6

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

Now the context of this verse is about the building of the Temple of God, and that it was going to be accomplished by God's Spirit ! And so it is with the Spiritual Temple of God, the Church 1 Cor 3:16

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Paul is speaking of the Body of Christ here See 1 Cor 12 !

Also Eph 2:21-22

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2 Cor 6:16

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

This Temple comprised of Believers was made by the Power and Might of the Spirit, by His Making them Alive by Regeneration, Spiritual quickening, making dead stones into Living Stones 1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house [Temple], an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

And so hecnce the drawing is by the Power and Might of the Spirit 1 Thess 1:5

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

And so it becomes an inward compelling or impelling by the Spirit !

beloved57
March 7th, 2014, 07:47 AM
There is a parable by the Lord that Illustates that man by nature cannot and will not come to Christ unless he supernaturally compelled . Lk 14:16-23


16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.


Now notice that by a simple call to the supper that men made excuses not to come, but notice when the Master commanded that the servant in Vs 21 to go and BRING IN the Guest, it was different ! It was not up to the natural will of the guest, they WERE BROUGHT IN !

The words bring in here in the greek is Eisago and means:

to lead in
to bring in,

The words mean to cause to come

Its no longer up to the one being summoned to refuse, he or she must be caused to come, which is a blessing Ps 65:4

Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

Now no doubt those in Lk 14:21 being lead in are those God has chosen, His Own Elect !

But now notice, there still was room for more guest, and the Master again told the servant to now go out and COMPEL them to come in Lk 14:23

And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in , that my house may be filled .

Folks, The Master is not leaving it up to anyone's freewill, its strictly what His Will is, compel them to come in until His House was filled !

Now the word compel here is to be noted, its the greek word Anagkazo:

to necessitate, compel, drive to, constrain by force, threats, etc.
by permission, entreaties, etc.
by other means

This is a strong word and it basically means to bring them under your power and control and bring them in.

In fact its Illustrated here 2 Cor 5:19-20

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

This " be ye reconciled" is actually a imperative, but its in the passive voice, the ones being beseeched are at the same time by the power of the Gospel, being turned to or brought in, or compelled !

Its an imperative being issued, not a asking or giving a choice, Just like the servant was commissioned by the Master to do Lk 14:23

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

Yes, 2 Cor 5:20 Illustrates what is being told to do in Lk 14:23 !

beloved57
March 7th, 2014, 10:28 AM
Now even though the word compel means to force the force meant is not a threatening like a law thunder force, either do it or suffer the consequences type thing, thats what false teachers think like, however its a persuading force, a Spiritual persuading ! Persuading is impelling, and remember the word draw Helkuo has the metaphorical meaning:
metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

So its a persuading Spiritual force that makes them Willing in the Day of His Power Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

That word power here is also translated force, hence God's Chosen People shall be made willing in the Day of His Force or compelling !

And the word willing means a voluntariness, so God's force or Power makes them to come willingly, freely, they are not being draged against their will.

Yet all this tells us that the Coming was not dependent upon their freewill choice, but upon the Power and force of God's Spirit, and they had no choice but to come willingly, as those did previously but because of their depravity did not come Lk 14:18-20

18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

But with these, God's Servant was commissioned to compel them to come in, it was not up to them to come in ! And thats what it means to be drawn by the Father Per Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Father through the Son sends His Servant the Spirit to fetch them in to the Son, He brings them to Him !

beloved57
March 7th, 2014, 11:44 AM
It needs to be stated once again about the compelling and drawing written of in Jn 6:44 and Lk 14:23 , yes they denote force here to bring in God's People, and again this is not a physical brute force, but its a Spiritual Power and force, in fact its an Holy Force 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Its a Heavenly force Heb 3:1

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

See the bidding in Lk 14:17

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

The word bidden is the greek word kaleō and means:

I.
to call
A.
to call aloud, utter in a loud voice

B.
to invite


II.
to call i.e. to name, by name
A.
to give a name to
i.
to receive the name of, receive as a name

ii.
to give some name to one, call his name


B.
to be called i.e. to bear a name or title (among men)

C.
to salute one by name

And its the same word used for call in 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And its a Loving force Jer 31:3

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

So the drawing of Jn 6:44 is nothing less than the Effectual Call, that brings the called to Christ, by the Power of the Holy Spirit !

beloved57
March 11th, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jn 6:40

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus once said Jn 9:39

39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

Man who is spiritually blind by nature, cannot See Christ to Believe on Him, utterly impossible. Jesus associates believing with seeing here Jn 12:39-40

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

We believe however that the Spirit of God, in New Birth, or Regeneration opens up the Spiritual Eyes of New Born babe, and by that they are able to Spiritually See the Things of God, and most importantly See the Son of God who gave Himself for them, they See Him in the Gospel, and So it is written Jn 6:40

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

We believe the Seeing of the Son is the effects of the Spirit and Grace of God, for we do read in scripture this Zech 12:10

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

We believe this is a Look of Faith, a Seeing the Son, after the pouring of the Spirit upon them !

The word Look here is the Hebrew word nabat and means:

I.to look, regard ,ii.to regard, show regard to, pay attention to, consider

And it is the equivalent to the word Seeth in Jn 6:40, which is the greek word theōreō and means:

I.to be a spectator, look at, behold
A.
to view attentively, take a view of, survey

i.to view mentally, consider

The Spirit will give us to focus in on the Person and Work of Christ, Just as Jesus indicated He would do Jn 16:14

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

This is Part of the Spirit's Role in the Salvation of the Elect through Jesus Christ, and why Faith in Christ is His Fruit Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

beloved57
March 12th, 2014, 11:18 PM
Gal 3:2,5

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

This Hearing of Faith is only for the regenerate, those who have received the Spirit through Faith as in through the Faithfulness of Christ Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Its a Redemptive Blessing Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Now after receiving the Spirit , one can now believe the Gospel, because they now with the Spirit have been given spiritual hearing, and Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

This is the Hearing of Faith in Gal 3:2,5 !

Now we must add Jesus words here, Jn 8:43-47

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

This proves that the Spirit must have been given in order to Hear God's Word, Jesus makes it clear here in Vs 47 !

To be of God is to be Born of God !

Jesus again asserts this sublime Truth Jn 18:37

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Thats what the Hearing of Faith is, Hearing the Word of God or Christ. Some Translate Rom 10:17

17 So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.ASV

The word word is rhema and means:

that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning

So Faith cometh by Hearing the Living voice of Christ, which Jesus makes it clear that those who do hear His Voice are of the Truth, or born of the Spirit Jn 18:37

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

So thats the Hearing of Faith, it the Spiritual hearing of those who are born of God the Spirit !

beloved57
August 2nd, 2014, 05:17 AM
The Spirit is promised to all who shall be saved in and through the Lord Jesus Christ, because all that shall be saved are His Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Isa 44:13

For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Jesus after having been Crucified and risen and ascended to the Father's Right Hand, received from the Father this Acts 2:30-33

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

That word shed is the greek word ekcheō means :

I.
to pour out, shed forth

II.
metaph. to bestow or distribute largely

Earlier in Acts 2:17-18

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out G1632 of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

These people are His Seed as Per Isa 44:13 ; Isa 53:10 !

They have the Spirit of Promise poured out upon them because He by His death for them, His having made His soul an offering for sin for them, He redeemed them from the curse of the Law, so that the Blessing of Abraham should come upon them, which is The Spirit Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This shows you also that Christ and Abraham had a Seed amongst the Gentiles , and they too must receive the Promise of the Spirit poured out upon them as did a remnant of jews did.

Remember Peter said of the Gentiles Acts 10:45

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Remember the Promise Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:


Acts 11:17

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

See all this was confirming that God had a Seed of Abraham not just in the ethnic jews, but also upon the Gentiles, and so the Spirit must according to promise be poured out upon them also , they were included in the Seed of Christ whom He made His soul an offering for sin for Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

The Spirit is Promised to as many as the Lord God shall call out of the jews and Gentiles Acts 2:38-39

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

That is to the jewish remnant elect and the Gentile remnant of the Elect, described here as the " all that are afar off"

Paul Identifes them as Gentiles Eph 2:17

And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

The ethnic jews were the nigh portion of the Seed, and the Gentiles were the afar off portion of the Seed, though still One Seed of Abraham and of Christ !

All who receive remission of sins are the Seed, and are promised the Spirit ! Acts 2:38

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Remission of sins is through the Redemption of His Blood Matt 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness/remission of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

All which are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The Spirit Promised to Christ's Seed Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Thats who believes the Gospel of their Salvation, the Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Nanja
August 2nd, 2014, 08:02 AM
The Spirit is promised to all who shall be saved in and through the Lord Jesus Christ, because all that shall be saved are His Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Isa 44:13

For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Jesus after having been Crucified and risen and ascended to the Father's Right Hand, received from the Father this Acts 2:30-33

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

That word shed is the greek word ekcheō means :

I.
to pour out, shed forth

II.
metaph. to bestow or distribute largely

Earlier in Acts 2:17-18

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out G1632 of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

These people are His Seed as Per Isa 44:13 ; Isa 53:10 !

They have the Spirit of Promise poured out upon them because He by His death for them, His having made His soul an offering for sin for them, He redeemed them from the curse of the Law, so that the Blessing of Abraham should come upon them, which is The Spirit Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This shows you also that Christ and Abraham had a Seed amongst the Gentiles , and they too must receive the Promise of the Spirit poured out upon them as did a remnant of jews did.

Remember Peter said of the Gentiles Acts 10:45

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Remember the Promise Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:


Acts 11:17

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

See all this was confirming that God had a Seed of Abraham not just in the ethnic jews, but also upon the Gentiles, and so the Spirit must according to promise be poured out upon them also , they were included in the Seed of Christ whom He made His soul an offering for sin for Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

The Spirit is Promised to as many as the Lord God shall call out of the jews and Gentiles Acts 2:38-39

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

That is to the jewish remnant elect and the Gentile remnant of the Elect, described here as the " all that are afar off"

Paul Identifes them as Gentiles Eph 2:17

And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

The ethnic jews were the nigh portion of the Seed, and the Gentiles were the afar off portion of the Seed, though still One Seed of Abraham and of Christ !

All who receive remission of sins are the Seed, and are promised the Spirit ! Acts 2:38

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Remission of sins is through the Redemption of His Blood Matt 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness/remission of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

All which are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The Spirit Promised to Christ's Seed Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Thats who believes the Gospel of their Salvation, the Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.


Informative and edifying post!

God pouring out His Spirit upon all the ones Christ died for,
is a supernatural manifestation of Himself in them; a confirmation
of who they are in Christ: His Seed!

I believe His Spirit of Promise is exactly the same as here:

Gal. 4:4-7 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law,
that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons,
God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

~~~~~

beloved57
August 2nd, 2014, 08:27 AM
Informative and edifying post!

God pouring out His Spirit upon all the ones Christ died for,
is a supernatural manifestation of Himself in them; a confirmation
of who they are in Christ: His Seed!

I believe His Spirit of Promise is exactly the same as here:

Gal. 4:4-7 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law,
that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons,
God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

~~~~~

Amen !

beloved57
August 15th, 2014, 10:40 AM
Eph 1:13-14

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest/down payment of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The Holy Spirit is the down payment of our Inheritance, if indeed we are heirs of promise.

Such as Heb 6:17

Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

Heb 11:9

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

Rom 4:13-14

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

All of Abraham's Children who are Justified by Faith with the Righteousness of Christ are the Heirs of Promise ! It had nothing to do with ethnicity ! But with the Righteousness which is revealed to Faith !

Now the Inheritance of which the Spirit is a earnest down payment of is stated here Gal 3:18

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

The same is mentioned here Heb 11:8

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Remember what Paul wrote back in Galatians, the Promised Inheritance was not to Abraham's physical seed through the Law Rom 4:13

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Thats why Heb 11:8 said that Abraham BY FAITH, when he was called, Obeyed, the obedience of Faith and imputed Righteousness.

Noah the same thing, The Righteousness of Faith showed him an Heir Heb 11:7 !

And once again, its the Inheritance promised here to Abraham and His Seed Gen 17:8

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

That word possession is actually achuzzah :

I.possession, property
A.
land

B.
possession by inheritance

This Promised Inheritance is promised to Abraham and His seed after him in all generations ! The seed is not a jewish ethnic people through the Law Rom 4:13, but made up of a Spiritual Seed of Believers of both jew and Gentile Rom 4:13-17


13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


The Seed in Rom 4:16 comprised of both jew and gentile Children of Abraham because of Faith, is the same Seed referenced here in Gen 17:8

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

The Inheritance is the whole Earth , or the World Rom 4:13 ; Matt 5:5 ; 2 Pet 3:13, and to each of the Heirs of Promise of this Inheritance, the Spirit is given them as a down payment of that Inheritance !

beloved57
August 29th, 2014, 08:27 AM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Salvation here is belief of the Truth and its part of Christ's Saving Work, the merits of it, which necessitates all for whom He died to believe the Truth. God from the beginning hath chosen them to this Salvation.

The word Salvation here is the greek word σωτηρία and means:

deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation: deliverance from the molestation of enemies

Unbelief/disobedience is an enemie, it holds all by nature prison to it. God hath concluded all in unbelief Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

The word concluded sugkleió means:

I enclose, shut in, make subject to.

Did you know that the devil is the enemy that holds us in unbelief ? Look at 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world[The devil] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Folks, the devil , the god of this world, is credited with holding men in unbelief, even after hearing the Word of God to be saved Lk 8:12

12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Folks, the devil is an enemy against believing the Truth so that it converts to God !

But Christ through His death delivers those He dies for from their enemies, particularily spiritual enemies Lk 1:69-75

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; Satan, the devil hates those Christ died for !

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

The Holy Spirits sanctifying work in 2 Thess 2:13 implements the deliverance / saving of all for whom Christ died, from the enemy of unbelief. The devil cannot perform his enemy work here with success to them Christ died for Lk 8:12

12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

See the devil here prevents conversion to belief of the Truth that was heard, however Christ delivers those He died for from the devil and this work of his !

Now, if we say that we believed the Truth by our own freewill, then we are claiming that we are our own saviour, this is blasphemy and antichrist ! See we have to be saved from the enemy of unbelief in order to belief of the Truth, and Christ is the Savior from Unbelief !

Nanja
August 30th, 2014, 03:36 PM
Amen to your entire post!

beloved57

Now, if we say that we believed the Truth by our own freewill,
then we are claiming that we are our own saviour, this is blasphemy and antichrist !

They must realize that that's exactly what they are claiming!


beloved57

See we have to be saved from the enemy of unbelief in order to belief of the Truth,
and Christ is the Savior from Unbelief !

Yes, and all the rest whom He is not the Savior of, they fall by the way side Luke 8:12 KJV.

~~~~~

beloved57
August 31st, 2014, 02:29 AM
nanja


Yes, and all the rest whom He is not the Savior of, they fall by the way side Luke 8:12 KJV.


Exactly, to believe and be converted, we must be saved from the power of the devil, hence believing is an evidence that we were saved from his power by the work of Christ and its effects !

Nanja
August 31st, 2014, 04:12 AM
nanja



Exactly, to believe and be converted, we must be saved from the power of the devil,
hence believing is an evidence that we were saved from his power by the work of Christ and its effects !


Amen!

~~~~~

beloved57
August 31st, 2014, 04:17 AM
Amen!

~~~~~

So in essence, those who claim to have believed the Gospel by their own freewill, are saying they saved themselves apart from the work of Christ !

Thats salvation by the work of man !

Nanja
August 31st, 2014, 06:22 AM
So in essence, those who claim to have believed the Gospel by their own freewill, are saying they saved themselves apart from the work of Christ !

Thats salvation by the work of man !

Yep!

~~~~~

beloved57
September 22nd, 2014, 07:45 PM
1 Cor 2:12

12 Now we [B]have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

The Spirit is given as a Spiritual Blessing to all for whom Christ died and redeemed [See Gal 3:13-14] that they may know [come to know experientially] that Christ gave Himself for us Gal 1:4

Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

We need to be given the Spirit first to come to know this Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

1 Tim 2:6

Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Mk 10:45

45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

And the Spirit is given to all for whom He gave Himself for that they may come to know it in a for real spiritual manner !

beloved57
October 11th, 2014, 04:15 AM
Rom 8:10,9

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

The Spirit, which is also Christ's Spirit, or the Spirit of Christ Vs 9 it is given to all for whom Christ died because of Righteousness. His Death for them established them as Righteous Rom 5:19 and where Righteousness is, Life is demanded !

Christ's death for their sins erased for them the penalty of sin, which death in all of its phases is the wages of Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But now that Christ satisfied for them that death wage, a reversal is due unto them, which means death is abolished and Life must be granted, because of Righteousness. When we read that Christ rose from the dead after having died for the sins of God's People, it states that He rose because of their Justification Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our[B] justification.

That word Justification, the greek word dikaiósis means:

acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.

There has for them been a discharge of the debt of death owed because of sin, a absolution means:

act of absolving; a freeing from blame or guilt; release from consequences, obligations, or penalties.

Justification also means:

the act of God's declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him; adjudging to be righteous,

acquittal, which brings with it the bestowment of life,

Hence we read also in Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The Life here is Resurrection and Spiritual Life, that releases the Justified ones by Christ's Death, releases them from Spiritual Death by giving them Life by the Spirit of their resurrected Head communicated to them, because of His Righteousness now being charged to their account !

So to them, The Spirit is Life [it bestows it] because of Righteousness !

heir
October 11th, 2014, 04:29 AM
:mock: bedeviled57

He's just another classic example of those who rebel against 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV

beloved57
October 11th, 2014, 06:55 AM
He's just another classic example of those who rebel against 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV

See you at the Judgment !

heir
October 11th, 2014, 07:22 AM
See you at the Judgment !

I'll be at the judgment seat of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:10-15 KJV, 2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV) where all who have trusted the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV) will be.

heir
October 11th, 2014, 07:28 AM
So in essence, those who claim to have believed the Gospel by their own freewill, are saying they saved themselves apart from the work of Christ !

Thats salvation by the work of man !

To trust the Lord believing the gospel of Christ is to receive the love of the truth; Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

Believing is not a work!

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

"to him that worketh not, but believeth on him..." proves belief is not a work

Put down the tulip.

beloved57
October 11th, 2014, 07:32 AM
To trust the Lord believing the gospel of Christ is to receive the love of the truth; Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

Believing is not a work!

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

"to him that worketh not, but believeth on him..." proves belief is not a work

Put down the tulip.

You don't even believe the Gospel , you are a unbeliever !

Nanja
October 11th, 2014, 08:05 AM
Rom 8:10,9

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

The Spirit, which is also Christ's Spirit, or the Spirit of Christ Vs 9 it is given to all for whom Christ died because of Righteousness. His Death for them established them as Righteous Rom 5:19 and where Righteousness is, Life is demanded !

Christ's death for their sins erased for them the penalty of sin, which death in all of its phases is the wages of Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But now that Christ satisfied for them that death wage, a reversal is due unto them, which means death is abolished and Life must be granted, because of Righteousness. When we read that Christ rose from the dead after having died for the sins of God's People, it states that He rose because of their Justification Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our[B] justification.

That word Justification, the greek word dikaiósis means:

acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.

There has for them been a discharge of the debt of death owed because of sin, a absolution means:

act of absolving; a freeing from blame or guilt; release from consequences, obligations, or penalties.

Justification also means:

the act of God's declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him; adjudging to be righteous,

acquittal, which brings with it the bestowment of life,

Hence we read also in Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The Life here is Resurrection and Spiritual Life, that releases the Justified ones by Christ's Death, releases them from Spiritual Death by giving them Life by the Spirit of their resurrected Head communicated to them, because of His Righteousness now being charged to their account !

So to them, The Spirit is Life [it bestows it] because of Righteousness !


Amen!

Having been given the Spirit of Christ is the evidence of having the Righteousness of Christ.
The same are the Sheep Christ gave His Life for John 10:11; the ones given to Him of the Father John 10:29;
chosen in Him, and predestinated to the adoption of His Sons Eph. 1:4-5.

Only His Sons are made righteous Rom. 5:19 because they have been exonerated and totally absolved
from all sin by Christ's Death for them Eph. 1:6-7.

~~~~~

beloved57
October 11th, 2014, 08:36 AM
Amen!

Having been given the Spirit of Christ is the evidence of having the Righteousness of Christ.
The same are the Sheep Christ gave His Life for John 10:11; the ones given to Him of the Father John 10:29;
chosen in Him, and predestinated to the adoption of His Sons Eph. 1:4-5.

Only His Sons are made righteous Rom. 5:19 because they have been exonerated and totally absolved
from all sin by Christ's Death for them Eph. 1:6-7.

~~~~~

Correct Christ death for His Sheep abolished death for them and earn them life from the penalty of death, that's why we read for all whom He died this Ephesians 2:5-6 ! :-)

Nanja
October 11th, 2014, 10:21 AM
Correct Christ death for His Sheep abolished death for them and earn them life from the penalty of death, that's why we read for all whom He died this Ephesians 2:5-6 ! :-)


:thumb:

~~~~~

beloved57
December 17th, 2014, 09:33 AM
Jn 16:8-10

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The sinners that Christ came to seek and to save, to call to repentance are not merely sinners by nature, of which all men are, but sinners by Holy Spirit reproving, conviction !

There is a world of men to whom Christ is a Saviour to, and everyone of them shall be convinced of their need of Him by Holy Spirit conviction, and not a natural legal conviction wrought by conscience, but a Spirit wrought conviction, and hence these are the ones Jesus calls to repentance Matt 9:13

13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

In fact, thats what happened on the day of pentecost in abundance , when a large number had been convicted of sin by the Spirit, then by the preaching of the Gospel by the Apostles, they were called to repentance Acts 2:37-38

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

See what sinners were called to repentance here ? Those type of sinners were called to repentance, Holy Spirit wrought conviction, look at Vs 39

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

This shows that those in Vs 37-38 had been called, and many shall yet be called because of Holy Spirit conviction wrought in them. CP the word called in Acts 2:39 and Matt 9:13 its the same word !

The only difference is the word in Acts 2:39 has the prep pros attached which means towards, as many as God shall call towards Himself ! All sinners are not Holy Spirit filled sinners !

beloved57
January 25th, 2015, 04:29 PM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Folks before belief of the Truth, which in and of itself is a type of salvation, in that we are by it saved from unbelief and false gospels and lies of men inspired by satan 2 Cor 11:4,13-15 and doctrines of devils 1 Tim 4:1,16 ; 2 Tim 2:25-26 ; so yes before belief of the Truth, which is also Faith, for the greek word belief here in 2 Thess 2:13 is the same greek word noun for Faith pistis, hence before anyone can receive the Truth in Faith, it must be through application of the Spirits Sanctifying Work accompanying it, effecting it, and it is that which gives belief of the Truth.

Thats why there are multitudes upon multitudes in the churches and religions today who really dont believe the Truth or believe it without compromise with heart conviction, its simply because they were never sanctified of the Spirit, like the ones who receive it [The Truth] in good ground Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

That good ground is hollowed by the Spirit of God, sanctified by Him and made prepared for the reception of the Truth !

beloved57
January 26th, 2015, 06:45 AM
This Sanctifying Work of the Spirit unto the belief of the Truth is imperative because the Truth is a Sanctified Truth, or else how could Jesus pray this stated request to His Father for His followers Jn 17:17

17 Sanctify[imperative] them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

And this applies to all that shall believe which are the Sheep Jn 17:19-20

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

So if the Truth itself is Sanctified, and does Sanctify, the Vessels receiving it must also be Sanctified in the Minds and Hearts, hence Sanctified persons are only fit vessels to receive Sanctified Truth, and from that point on grow in Sanctification in the Knowledge and belief of the Truth 2 Pet 3:18; 1:4-8

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Because the Spirit which sanctified them in the first place, shall abide , dwell in them.

Thats why John writes in 1 Jn 2:27

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

And if anyone denies the need of this Sanctifying work of the Spirit, which is none other than the New Birth, before believing the Truth, they are liars, and this very scripture 2 Thess 2:13 stands as a Testimony against them, and let it be known, that their denial is now moreso against the Holy Spirit and the need of His Work effectually before we can believe the Truth !

beloved57
January 26th, 2015, 09:20 AM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

This verse also means that God has Chosen some to experience these Two things:

#1 Sanctification of the Spirit or New Birth ;

#2 Belief of the Truth,

Also the belief of the Truth is part of the Sanctifying process God the Spirit begins in us [Phil 1:6] in answer to Jesus prayer Jn 17:17-20, its a ongoing progressive work.

The writer of Hebrews writes Heb 10:14 and the word sanctified here opposed to in Vs 10 where its a perfect tense [once and all completed] yet here in Vs 14 its in the present tense " those being sanctified" which denotes continual action ongoing, thats because they will continually being Sanctified by the Truth, as they grow in Grace and Knowledge of it, and acknowledging of the Truth Titus 1:1; 2 Tim 2:25, hence all for whom Christ died, shall be granted repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth, For repentance toward God is not complete if it does not result in belief and or acknowledgment of the Truth, if not, it simply was not repentance granted by God !

beloved57
January 26th, 2015, 01:16 PM
I put this under " The Holy Spirit and Salvation " because it is the Spirits work through Christ, because of His Saving Merit of His Blood, that works in all for whom He died both Faith and Repentance !

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

2 Tim 2:25

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

All three of these scriptures use the same giving verb didōmi ! I believe this is the result of God giving each person Christ died for the Spirit Rom 5:5

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given/didōmi unto us.

Now why is it that both Faith and Repentance are the same thing ? In other words none of the above texts about giving repentance cannot be divorced from God with giving repentance giving with it an Acknowledgment of the Truth, which in essence is giving them a Knowledge of their Salvation Lk 1:77

77 To give/didōmi knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

So in other words, repentance being granted or given is accompanied by belief in the truth of your Salvation, which cannot be divorced, once we acknowledge the Truth, our hearts / minds have stop opposing it and showing enmity towards it ! Thats why repentance is a change of mind towards the Truth !

Nanja
January 27th, 2015, 09:20 AM
I put this under " The Holy Spirit and Salvation " because it is the Spirits work through Christ, because of His Saving Merit of His Blood, that works in all for whom He died both Faith and Repentance !

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

2 Tim 2:25

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

All three of these scriptures use the same giving verb didōmi ! I believe this is the result of God giving each person Christ died for the Spirit Rom 5:5

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given/didōmi unto us.

Now why is it that both Faith and Repentance are the same thing ? In other words none of the above texts about giving repentance cannot be divorced from God with giving repentance giving with it an Acknowledgment of the Truth, which in essence is giving them a Knowledge of their Salvation Lk 1:77

77 To give/didōmi knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

So in other words, repentance being granted or given is accompanied by belief in the truth of your Salvation, which cannot be divorced, once we acknowledge the Truth, our hearts / minds have stop opposing it and showing enmity towards it ! Thats why repentance is a change of mind towards the Truth !


Thoroughly edified in reading and studying this thread! ☺

Even though these scriptures clearly show that Faith and Repentance
are granted / given in the New Birth to the ones Christ died for,
yet there are many who erroneously maintain that these are works / actions
that the natural man must "do" Eph. 2:8-9 before they can become saved.
But God-Given Faith and Repentance are the evidence of True Salvation.

~~~~~

beloved57
January 27th, 2015, 11:06 AM
Thoroughly edified in reading and studying this thread! ☺

Even though these scriptures clearly show that Faith and Repentance
are granted / given in the New Birth to the ones Christ died for,
yet there are many who erroneously maintain that these are works / actions
that the natural man must "do" Eph. 2:8-9 before they can become saved.
But God-Given Faith and Repentance are the evidence of True Salvation.

~~~~~

Yes they wickedly turn Gifts that accompany Salvation into conditions that men must meet prior to Salvation in order to get Salvation !

beloved57
February 4th, 2015, 05:18 AM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

As the Beloved of the Lord, and the fact that the Lord God is Triune, subsisting always as the Father, the Word/Son, and Holy Spirit, then it is also True that they are peculiarly Beloved by God the Spirit in the Purpose of Redemption, and His Great Love for them motivates His Sanctification of them, setting them apart for the service of the Lord. The word sanctification in our above text is hagiasmos:


I.consecration, purification


II.the effect of consecration

A.sanctification of heart and life


the process of making or becoming holy, set apart, sanctification, holiness, consecration.

(the process of advancing in holiness); use of the believer being progressively transformed by the Lord into His likeness (similarity of nature).

All the beloved of the Lord shall undergo thius process 2 Cor 3:18

18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

The Spirit begins this and completes it in us Phil 1:6

Being confident,persuaded of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Again, Paul mentions the Love of the Spirit Rom 15:30

30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

The Spirit also sanctifies all whom the Son sanctified Himself for in answer to this prayer to the Father Jn 17:17-20

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Thats in fact why He is sent by both the Father and Son, the Father sends Him in the Name of the Son Jn 14:26

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jn 15:26

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Apostles here are Representative of the Church, the Body of Christ, the Beloved of the Lord !

Nanja
February 4th, 2015, 08:52 AM
2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

As the Beloved of the Lord, and the fact that the Lord God is Triune, subsisting always as the Father, the Word/Son, and Holy Spirit, then it is also True that they are peculiarly Beloved by God the Spirit in the Purpose of Redemption, and His Great Love for them motivates His Sanctification of them, setting them apart for the service of the Lord. The word sanctification in our above text is hagiasmos:


I.consecration, purification


II.the effect of consecration

A.sanctification of heart and life


the process of making or becoming holy, set apart, sanctification, holiness, consecration.

(the process of advancing in holiness); use of the believer being progressively transformed by the Lord into His likeness (similarity of nature).

All the beloved of the Lord shall undergo thius process 2 Cor 3:18

18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

The Spirit begins this and completes it in us Phil 1:6

Being confident,persuaded of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Again, Paul mentions the Love of the Spirit Rom 15:30

30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

The Spirit also sanctifies all whom the Son sanctified Himself for in answer to this prayer to the Father Jn 17:17-20

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Thats in fact why He is sent by both the Father and Son, the Father sends Him in the Name of the Son Jn 14:26

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jn 15:26

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Apostles here are Representative of the Church, the Body of Christ, the Beloved of the Lord !


Brother, we know of The Spirit's precious Sanctifying Work in God's Beloved Sons,
whom He loves so much! He cause them to grow in Grace and knowledge of the Truth 2 Pet. 3:18,
and He is a promised blessing for all of the Chosen Seed Gal. 4:6!

~~~~~

beloved57
February 4th, 2015, 09:01 AM
Brother, we know of The Spirit's precious Sanctifying Work in God's Beloved Sons,
whom He loves so much! He cause them to grow in Grace and knowledge of the Truth 2 Pet. 3:18,
and He is a promised blessing for all of the Chosen Seed Gal. 4:6!

~~~~~

Amen, also I believe it is God the Spirit who quickened us for His Great Love Ephesians 2:4 -5 remember Jesus said who does the quickening John 6:63 !

Nanja
February 4th, 2015, 09:17 AM
Amen, also I believe it is God the Spirit who quickened us for His Great Love Ephesians 2:4 -5 remember Jesus said who does the quickening John 6:63 !


Yes, true indeed! The Spirit's Great Love for us made us Spiritually Alive unto God! John 3:6; Rom. 6:11

~~~~~

beloved57
February 4th, 2015, 09:19 AM
Yes, true indeed! The Spirit's Great Love for us made us Spiritually Alive unto God! John 3:6; Rom. 6:11

~~~~~

Yep, for sure !

beloved57
February 5th, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jn 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

In the Economy of Salvation its the Spirits Unique and Blessed Job to ensure that the Souls Christ made atonement for, believe in Him, give them Faith in Him, because otherwise they dont believe Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Thats their chief sin that needs to be dealt with, their natural unbelief !

Hence the Spirit wroughts both conviction as well as assurance in the Souls of the Elect, the Church, He assures them that Christ's Death was for them !

Thats part of His Testification. The Spirit confirms the Testimony of Christ in them by the Call of the Gospel 1 Cor 1:2,6-9

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed[By the Spirit] in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

And the Spirit, through the Faithful Preaching of the Gospel gives Testimony to all the ransomed souls of God, whom Christ gave Himself a Ransom for 1 Tim 2:6-7

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

That Testified there is that which Jesus stated earlier would happen Jn 15:26

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

His Testification leads to belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

If one for whom Christ died does not come to Faith in Him, The Spirit failed in His Job, because then Christ was not Glorified with that precious Soul He died for Jn 16:13-14

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Nanja
February 5th, 2015, 08:13 AM
Jn 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

In the Economy of Salvation its the Spirits Unique and Blessed Job to ensure that the Souls Christ made atonement for, believe in Him, give them Faith in Him, because otherwise they dont believe Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Thats their chief sin that needs to be dealt with, their natural unbelief !

Hence the Spirit wroughts both conviction as well as assurance in the Souls of the Elect, the Church, He assures them that Christ's Death was for them !

Thats part of His Testification. The Spirit confirms the Testimony of Christ in them by the Call of the Gospel 1 Cor 1:2,6-9

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed[By the Spirit] in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

And the Spirit, through the Faithful Preaching of the Gospel gives Testimony to all the ransomed souls of God, whom Christ gave Himself a Ransom for 1 Tim 2:6-7

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

That Testified there is that which Jesus stated earlier would happen Jn 15:26

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

His Testification leads to belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

If one for whom Christ died does not come to Faith in Him, The Spirit failed in His Job, because then Christ was not Glorified with that precious Soul He died for Jn 16:13-14

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.



Amen!

I believe that The Spirit's Testification is proof that Christ's Atonement is Limited,
for there are only a very few Mat. 7:14, which are given the Spirit of Truth:
Only a remnant that God has reserved for Himself, those He Elected by His Grace.

Titus 1:1-2 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to
the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 2 Tim. 1:9

~~~~~

beloved57
February 5th, 2015, 08:18 AM
Amen!

I believe that The Spirit's Testification is proof that Christ's Atonement is Limited,
for there are only a very few Mat. 7:14, which are given the Spirit of Truth:
Only a remnant that God has reserved for Himself, those He Elected by His Grace.

Titus 1:1-2 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to
the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 2 Tim. 1:9

~~~~~

It certainly is proof that its Limited ! All whom sins have been atoned for by Christ, the Spirit gives them a saving Testimony/knowledge of it 1 Tim 2:4-6

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Nanja
February 5th, 2015, 08:40 AM
It certainly is proof that its Limited ! All whom sins have been atoned for by Christ, the Spirit gives them a saving Testimony/knowledge of it 1 Tim 2:4-6

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


Yes it does!

Thus leaving one's freewill choice, or any other actions a person
does in the flesh for naught, with regard to his own salvation!

~~~~~

beloved57
February 7th, 2015, 05:10 AM
Yes it does!

Thus leaving one's freewill choice, or any other actions a person
does in the flesh for naught, with regard to his own salvation!

~~~~~

There you go !

beloved57
April 9th, 2015, 07:29 AM
Being A sinner is a Blessed thing, you know why ? Because of this 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Now isnt that a Blessing in being a sinner ? But its important to understand something at this point, I am not speaking of just any ole sinner, but of a Holy Ghost made sinner; that is when one is made to see their sinfulness before God and their need for Christ, the Saviour of sinners.

You see when we are Holy Ghost made sinners, we become as this publican did Lk 18:13

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

And the scripture said of him:

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Holy Ghost made sinners are they who are made to mourn Isa 61:1-3

The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

Jesus in His Most Blessed Sermon on the Mount spake these words Matt 5:3-4

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

You see, all of the people Christ died for to save from their sins Matt 1:21, they shall by the Spirit, be made to feel their sinfulness and their need for their Saviour, again this by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

The fact is, though we are sinners by nature, we really dont know it experimentally until we are made Spiritually alive to God by the Spirit.

You see, the pharisee in Lk 18:11-12

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.


This man was also a sinner before God, but he never knew it, he never felt it as did the publican, and he never would unless he be made a sinner by the work of the Spirit,, only then will he flee to Christ as He is revealed to him in the Gospel !

Thats what had to happen to Paul, and what needs to happen for all whom He[Christ] died, and what shall happen to all for whom He died, The Spirit shall make each Vessel of Mercy Cry our for the same, Like this Publican Lk 18:13-14

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

beloved57
April 22nd, 2015, 10:04 PM
No man can say Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Ghost ! 1 Cor 12:3

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Many call or say Jesus is Lord by the flesh, and or by their natural intellect, but very few call upon Him as Lord by the Holy Ghost, and frankly speaking, none of us have a right or privilege to call Him Lord, save if we do so by the Holy Ghost, for if we have not the Spirit, there is no proof that we belong to Him Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,he is none of his.

Thats pretty emphatic I would say ! Actually its in the Holy Ghost, or in the realm of the Spirit, No man can say Jesus is Lord but in or in the realm of the Spirit.

That prep by in 1 Cor 12:3 is en and means:

en (a preposition) – properly, in (inside, within); (figuratively) "in the realm (sphere) of," as in the condition (state) in which something operates from the inside (within).

a prim. preposition denoting position and by impl. instrumentality

beloved57
April 23rd, 2015, 10:14 AM
Jn 15:26

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify/bear witness of me:

What I believe Jesus to be saying here to His Church, that following His Death for them, the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, will be sent to them to bear witness of Him,and yet this Work/Mission of the Spirit is not restricted to them only, but for the whole ransomed Church which He gave Himself in behalf of Matt 20:28

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

1 Tim 2:6

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

God by the Spirit would give Apostolic Testimony to all the ransomed Isa 35:10

They shall believe on Christ by their [The Apostles] word Jn 17:20

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall [inevitably] believe on me through their word;

The Spirits coming, the Spirit of Truth, in the economy of Salvation, was to give Testimony inwardly of the Truth of Christ, to all the ransomed, redeemed Church of God, bringing them to Faith !

beloved57
June 23rd, 2015, 11:53 PM
Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

This Promise is made to Christ and His Seed, His seed being those He died for and Justified, whom He gave His soul an offering for sin for Isa 53:10,11

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

It is His Seed, the Seed of Christ,His Body the Church that the Promise of Isa 44:3 refers to !

It began to be fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost when the Spirit was poured out upon a jewish remnant of Christ's seed the Church, hence we read this Acts 2:32-33

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed/poured forth this, which ye now see and hear.

The word shed is the greek word ekcheo:

I pour out (liquid or solid); I shed, bestow liberally.

And its actually the same word pour as in Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Its also the Blessing of Abraham poured out on the Gentile aspect of the Church Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Its the same Promise of the Spirit as Promised in Isa 44:3 ! Thats because Christ's Seed was also found in the Gentile world, for its a Spiritual Seed !

The Gentile Believers as well as the jewish ones were sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

These here are Christ's Seed that had been Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:3-4

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us [His Seed] in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

As being among Christ's Chosen Seed, whether jew or Gentile, the Spirit has been Promised unto us Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

The jewish remnant had no advantage in this matter over the Gentile remnant, So Peter says of them regarding the Holy Spirit of promise Acts 10:45

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost

Which solidified the fact that Gentiles also had been counted among the Seed/ Offspring of Christ Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Now, The Spirit of Promise was poured out on the jewish remnant of Christ's Seed on Pentecost Acts 2:32-33 and also upon the Gentile Remnant Acts 10:45 !

It was a Gift to the jewish remnant Acts 2:38 and the same Gift was given to the Gentile remnant Acts 10:45 !

Because both were of His Seed ! And the Spirit was Promised to be poured out on His Seed, whom He redeemed !

Nanja
June 24th, 2015, 07:34 AM
Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

This Promise is made to Christ and His Seed, His seed being those He died for and Justified, whom He gave His soul an offering for sin for Isa 53:10,11

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

It is His Seed, the Seed of Christ,His Body the Church that the Promise of Isa 44:3 refers to !

It began to be fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost when the Spirit was poured out upon a jewish remnant of Christ's seed the Church, hence we read this Acts 2:32-33

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed/poured forth this, which ye now see and hear.

The word shed is the greek word ekcheo:

I pour out (liquid or solid); I shed, bestow liberally.

And its actually the same word pour as in Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Its also the Blessing of Abraham poured out on the Gentile aspect of the Church Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Its the same Promise of the Spirit as Promised in Isa 44:3 ! Thats because Christ's Seed was also found in the Gentile world, for its a Spiritual Seed !

The Gentile Believers as well as the jewish ones were sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

These here are Christ's Seed that had been Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:3-4

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us [His Seed] in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

As being among Christ's Chosen Seed, whether jew or Gentile, the Spirit has been Promised unto us Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

The jewish remnant had no advantage in this matter over the Gentile remnant, So Peter says of them regarding the Holy Spirit of promise Acts 10:45

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost

Which solidified the fact that Gentiles also had been counted among the Seed/ Offspring of Christ Isa 44:3

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Now, The Spirit of Promise was poured out on the jewish remnant of Christ's Seed on Pentecost Acts 2:32-33 and also upon the Gentile Remnant Acts 10:45 !

It was a Gift to the jewish remnant Acts 2:38 and the same Gift was given to the Gentile remnant Acts 10:45 !

Because both were of His Seed ! And the Spirit was Promised to be poured out on His Seed, whom He redeemed !



Amen!

This awesome Gift of the Spirit is a continual confirmation that we indeed are the Sons of God Gal. 4:6,
as we anticipate the Promised Glory that very soon awaits us 1 John 3:2 KJV!

1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

~~~~~

beloved57
June 24th, 2015, 07:39 AM
Amen!

This awesome Gift of the Spirit is a continual confirmation that we indeed are the Sons of God Gal. 4:6,
as we anticipate the Promised Glory that very soon awaits us 1 John 3:2 KJV!

1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

~~~~~

Amen Gal 5:5

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Nanja
June 24th, 2015, 10:09 AM
Amen Gal 5:5

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.


And His Church says, Amen!

~~~~~

beloved57
July 6th, 2015, 06:14 AM
Those God did choose in Christ before the foundation Per Eph 1:4, He chose also that in time, by a Sovereign Work of the Spirit [as a fruit of Christ's death] that they believe the Truth, which means Faith Per 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you [Eph 1:4]to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Ἡμεῖς δὲ ὀφείλομεν εὐχαριστεῖν τῷ θεῷ πάντοτε περὶ ὑμῶν ἀδελφοὶ ἠγαπημένοι ὑπὸ κυρίου ὅτι εἵλετο ὑμᾶς ὁ θεὸς ἀπ᾽ αρχῆς εἰς σωτηρίαν ἐν ἁγιασμῷ πνεύματος καὶ πίστει ἀληθείας

The word belief here is a noun pistis and is translated Faith 239 X and means:

I.conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it

A.relating to God

i.the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ


This is the same word used in Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

This all the mores confirms that Faith and or Belief of the Truth is a Fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 04:51 AM
The Sanctification of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13 is a Requisite in believing the Truth, it is by it He gives us Spiritual Life, separating us from the spiritually dead, setting us apart unto the Gospel, That is what Sanctification of the Spirit does, it sets men and women apart experimentally to God and the Gospel of God . It is just like Paul the Apostle stated of his own experience Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle or messenger, separated or set apart unto the gospel of God,

The word sanctification in 2 Thess 2:13 is the greek word hagiasmos:

the process of making or becoming holy, set apart, sanctification, holiness, consecration.

And there its being set apart unto the Gospel , to the belief of it !

Now don't misunderstand me, all are not set apart unto the Office of An Apostle as Paul and the Twelve were, but all have been set apart unto the belief of it, and to be Servants of it to some capacity, and definitely all are called to contend for it to some degree or other Jude 1:3

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith[of the Gospel] which was once delivered unto the saints.

Phil 1:27

27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

beloved57
July 30th, 2015, 10:53 AM
Because we are Sons , God sends the Spirit of Adoption into our hearts, whereby we cry abba father Rom 8:15

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Also Gal 4:4-6

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Note: Even though the word receive used in this verses are in the active voice, the subjects were passive in the reception, they received because the Gidt was given or bestowed upon them or communicated in them !

For instance the Spirit is said to have been sent into your hearts in Vs 6 ! So they received it because God sent it into them !

Again in Acts 10:47

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received G2983 (https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2983&t=KJV) the Holy Ghost as well as we?

The same word for receive lambano is used here in the active voice, however we know they received it by it being bestowed upon them while Peter was Preaching Acts 10:44-45

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Notice the words fell on ! that makes them passive in how they received it ! It means the Holy Ghost seized them and took possession of them !

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Notice here the words poured out, as in pour out on them ! They again were passive in how they received the Holy Ghost Gift !

The word pour means to bestow upon :

So they receive what was given or bestowed upon them !

The word lambano means:


to receive (what is given or bestowed), to gain, get, obtain, to get back
The Holy Spirit was given to the Gentiles Peter says Acts 11:17

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
The Holy Ghost

Now we know Peter means by Gift the Holy Ghost, and the word Gave is the greek word didōmi which does mean:


to give
to give something to someone

of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
to bestow a gift

So this shows that receivng the Holy Spirit of Adoption is a Passive work, its received because it was given or bestowed !

beloved57
July 30th, 2015, 11:24 AM
Now all for whom Christ died, He actually redeemed them from the curse of the Law, having been made a curse for them Gal 3:13-14

13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Note: Their had to be a relationship already between Christ and those He had a Family Right to redeem !

14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This redemption was in order that the Gentiles might receive the Promise of the Spirit !

Thas what Peter meant here Acts 10:45,47

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

This shows that the Gentiles partook of the redemptive blood of Christ and that they also must have been in a family relationship with Him to be their Redeemer.

Christ had to act as under the requirement of a near kinsmen redeemer ! Lev 23:23-25

23 ‘The land, moreover, shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are but aliens and sojourners with Me. 24 Thus for every [a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+25%3A23-34&version=NASB#fen-NASB-3494a)]piece of your property, you are to provide for the redemption of the land.

25 ‘If a [b (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+25%3A23-34&version=NASB#fen-NASB-3495b)]fellow countryman of yours becomes so poor he has to sell part of his property, then his nearest kinsman is to come and buy back what his [c (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+25%3A23-34&version=NASB#fen-NASB-3495c)]relative has sold.

And Christ was made under the Law doe this Purpose Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The word redeem in Vs 5 means:



to redeem
by payment of a price to recover from the power of another, to ransom, buy off
Now Christ had to be a near kinsmen to these Gentiles to be a qualified redeemer unto them by the Law He was made under ! How was He their near kinsmen redeemer ? We know it was not by their flesh or jewish ethnicity bloodline because they were Gentiles !

beloved57
July 31st, 2015, 07:29 AM
These things go to prove that it was God's Sons, Christ's brethren that He died for Heb 2:17

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

In this they were the children of God, in fact the many brethren spoken of here are they Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The brethren in Heb 2:17 and the ones in Rom 8:29 are the exact same, it has nothing to do with being a ethnic jew or a Gentile, fleshly relations has nothing to do with it, that is not what being children of God is about !

And to further prove that they were children/sons of God whom Christ died and redeemed, Christ's Spirit is sent into their hearts to give them Life Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons/children, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The Spirit is sent for two things, to give Life out of the dead, redemptive life Eph 2:5

and to confirm and authenticate that they are the children of God, and as evidence of this new life, as newborn babes spanked on the bottom, we cry abba father, it gives evidence of now having a living vital relationship, being established through Christ for the redeemed ones !

This proves that Christ's their Elder Brother Redeemer, His Life and Death in their names, on their behalf satisfied God's Law and Justice, that sin has been dealt effectively with, and Righteousness for them established, and death has been abolished for them ! For it is impossible [in the justice of God] for any for whom Christ died to remain in spiritual death and unbelief [for unbelief is but a symptom of spiritual death] for they are consequences of sin Rom 6:23. If our sins have been effectively dealt with, so has our death unto God, and Life to God must be granted instead, so we read:

Rom 6:9-11

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

beloved57
August 1st, 2015, 06:49 AM
Now because those Christ died for are Sons/children His redemptive death ensures redemptive life out of the Soirit of Christ Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

He writes it another way here Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

In other words, the Spirit of Adoption in Gal 4:5 is the same as the promise of the Spirit in Gal 3:14, both received as a result of Christ's Redemptive death !

And by receiving the Spirit we also receive the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which embraces the preached Gospel, and that manifests us as the Children or Sons of God Gal 3:26

26 For ye are all the[redeemed] children of God by[because of] faith in Christ Jesus.

The Faith in Jesus Christ is what reveals that we were always secretly the Children of God !

beloved57
August 1st, 2015, 10:08 AM
When we are given the Spirit of Adoption because we are redeemed sons/children Gal 4:6, then was given Faith as a fruit of the Spirit of Adoption Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit[of Adoption Gal 4:5-6] is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

This Faith is liken also as a breathing after God in Christ, its our inwrd evidence of Life from Christ and that we are children of God experimentally Rom 8:15-16

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption , whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our[human] spirit, that we are the children of God:

John says those believing on Christ has the witness in themselves 1 Jn 5:10

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

The Spirit for Christ's sake of redenption gives Life to the redeemed children of God Jn 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Faith or believing is the fruit of evidence of this Life given by the Spirit, and it ignites the Calling upon the Name of the Lord,

So we dont call upon the name of the Lord to obtain or get life, thats backwards, we believe and or call upon the name of the Lord as evidence that we have been given Life by the Spirit, and our new founded spiritual relationship with God in Christ is made manifested by our crying out Abba Father. And in a Spiritual redemptive sense Christ is Our Father Isa 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

For the word Father 'ab :


father of an individual
of God as father of his people
[B]head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan


ancestor
grandfather, forefathers — of person
of people

originator or patron of a class, profession, or art
of producer, generator (fig.)
of benevolence and protection (fig.)
term of respect and honour
ruler or chief (spec.)
Christ is called a Prince or chief or a ruler Acts 5:31

Acts 3:15;5:31

Hes the Head of a Household Heb 3:6

6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

As the Prince of Life Acts 3:15 this describes the portion of the greek definition of Father Pater :


one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
father; one who imparts life and is committed to it; a progenitor, bringing into being to pass on the potential for likeness

It is Christ Himself who gives us Eternal Life Jn 10:28

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Jn 17:2

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

So redemptively as a Gift from the Father, He is Our Father, we are His Children God gave Him to give Life to Heb 2:13

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Christ gives us Life as Our Redemptive Father 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The Last Adam had to be a Head as the first man Adam !

Nanja
August 4th, 2015, 07:26 AM
When we are given the Spirit of Adoption because we are redeemed sons/children Gal 4:6, then was given Faith as a fruit of the Spirit of Adoption Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit[of Adoption Gal 4:5-6] is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

This Faith is liken also as a breathing after God in Christ, its our inwrd evidence of Life from Christ and that we are children of God experimentally Rom 8:15-16

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption , whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our[human] spirit, that we are the children of God:

John says those believing on Christ has the witness in themselves 1 Jn 5:10

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

The Spirit for Christ's sake of redenption gives Life to the redeemed children of God Jn 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Faith or believing is the fruit of evidence of this Life given by the Spirit, and it ignites the Calling upon the Name of the Lord,

So we dont call upon the name of the Lord to obtain or get life, thats backwards, we believe and or call upon the name of the Lord as evidence that we have been given Life by the Spirit, and our new founded spiritual relationship with God in Christ is made manifested by our crying out Abba Father. And in a Spiritual redemptive sense Christ is Our Father Isa 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

For the word Father 'ab :


father of an individual
of God as father of his people
[B]head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan


ancestor
grandfather, forefathers — of person
of people

originator or patron of a class, profession, or art
of producer, generator (fig.)
of benevolence and protection (fig.)
term of respect and honour
ruler or chief (spec.)
Christ is called a Prince or chief or a ruler Acts 5:31

Acts 3:15;5:31

Hes the Head of a Household Heb 3:6

6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

As the Prince of Life Acts 3:15 this describes the portion of the greek definition of Father Pater :


one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
father; one who imparts life and is committed to it; a progenitor, bringing into being to pass on the potential for likeness

It is Christ Himself who gives us Eternal Life Jn 10:28

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Jn 17:2

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

So redemptively as a Gift from the Father, He is Our Father, we are His Children God gave Him to give Life to Heb 2:13

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Christ gives us Life as Our Redemptive Father 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The Last Adam had to be a Head as the first man Adam !

Yes, as the first man Adam was the natural head of all the Elect,
so is Christ, the Last Adam, the Head of His Elect Spiritual Seed.


Amen, and excellent work on this series "Because we are Sons!"


Just to recap:


Because we are Sons , God sends the Spirit of Adoption into our hearts, whereby we cry abba father Rom 8:15

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.



Now because those Christ died for are Sons/children His redemptive death ensures redemptive life out of the Soirit of Christ Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

He writes it another way here Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

In other words, the Spirit of Adoption in Gal 4:5 is the same as the promise of the Spirit in Gal 3:14, both received as a result of Christ's Redemptive death !

And by receiving the Spirit we also receive the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which embraces the preached Gospel, and that manifests us as the Children or Sons of God Gal 3:26

26 For ye are all the[redeemed] children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

[B]The Faith in Jesus Christ is what reveals that we were always secretly the Children of God !


Yes, indeed!


So, the reason why Christ was made under the law Gal. 4:4-5, was for the purpose of Him being the Kinsman Redeemer
for every one His Brethren Heb. 2:17 who were under the Law. So God sending the Spirit of His Son into our hearts Gal. 4:6
proves that we are His Adopted Sons Eph. 1:5, and the evidence that we belong to Him from Everlasting Eph. 1:4.


Appreciate you for taking me through this excellent study in the scriptures! ☺

~~~~~

beloved57
August 4th, 2015, 10:30 AM
Yes, as the first man Adam was the natural head of all the Elect,
so is Christ, the Last Adam, the Head of His Elect Spiritual Seed.


Amen, and excellent work on this series "Because we are Sons!"


Just to recap:






Yes, indeed!


So, the reason why Christ was made under the law Gal. 4:4-5, was for the purpose of Him being the Kinsman Redeemer
for every one His Brethren Heb. 2:17 who were under the Law. So God sending the Spirit of His Son into our hearts Gal. 4:6
proves that we are His Adopted Sons Eph. 1:5, and the evidence that we belong to Him from Everlasting Eph. 1:4.


Appreciate you for taking me through this excellent study in the scriptures! ☺

~~~~~

Amen!

beloved57
August 23rd, 2015, 04:10 AM
Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Hint, its something stated in this verse that shall happen or come upon the Gentiles through/in Jesus Christ

The Blessing of Abraham is that God through or in Christ, Abraham's Seed Gal 3:16, that the Gentiles might receive upon them, the Promise of the Spirit, for as in Christ they are Abrahams Spiritual Seed.

God gives Abraham a Spiritual Seed, as He did give Him a natural seed, yet this Spiritual Seed is not through being born physically, but being born Spiritually, and by this Birth Spiritually comes the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which identifies them as Abraham's Spiritual Seed, thats why we read in Gal 3:7,9

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

We become of Faith because we are Children given to Abraham by the Promise of God.

God Promised Abraham a Seed or that He would multiply him here Gen 17:1-5

And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Those who are of Faith are part of the Multiplying God promised to Abraham in Vs 2 !

They are found to be amongst the Gentiles from Vs 4-5 , thats how he becomes a Father of many nations, because God has given him a seed or children from the many nations, and so upon them comes the Blessing of Abraham, which is the Spirit in and through Jesus Christ, which seals them and identifies them as Abraham's Spiritual Children promised by God Himself ! God sware this to Abraham Heb 6:13-14

13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

This agrees with Gen 17:2

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. and

Gen 22:17-18

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

This Blessing comes through/in Christ Jesus Abrahams Seed, and its the Blessing of the Spirit !

God would give Abraham a Spiritual seed, not born by natural birth, but by a Spiritual birth, which is what Isaacs birth typified by his supernatural birth, opposed to what ishmaels birth typified by his birth by the flesh, one after the Spirit and promise, and one after the flesh and human effort Gal 4:29

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

And all True Believers, whether jew or Gentile are born after the typical Isaac, the Child of Promise Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren,[B] as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

And have receive the Spirit of Promise through Jesus Christ Gal 3:14

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith or according to the Faith.

beloved57
August 25th, 2015, 05:21 AM
Another reason why Jesus said to nicodemus " Ye must be born again " as Per Jn 3:6-7

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

For it is by this means man can be confirmed into that Image of Christ, as being confirmed to being originally made or created in the Image of God from the beginning here Gen 1:26

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The True Image and Likeness of God lied not in our natural creation in Adam from the dust of the ground, but in our election in Christ, who is the Image and Likeness of God with Heavenly Glory Heb 1:2-3

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

That word image the greek word charaktér:

an impression, representation, exact reproduction; a graving-tool.

properly, an engraving; (figuratively) an exact impression (likeness) which also reflects inner character.

So mans being made at the first in the Image and Likeness of God in Adam, had to be confirmed by being conformed to the Image of Christ , Gods Son Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The same Son as in Heb 1:2-3

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Now understand, its the Spirits New Creation of us that experimentally conforms us to the Image of Gods Son, the Lord Jesus Christ as Per 2 Cor 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

You see that ? The fulfillment of being made in the Image and Likeness of God from Gen 1:26, lies in a work of the Spirit, its confirmed upon us by the Spirit of the Lord !

This was a preordained Glory 1 Cor 2:7

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

The Father Purposed Our Glory in the Image and Likeness of God, the Son provided the Necessary satisfaction to the Law and Justice of Gods Holy Law we sinned against originally in Adam, and the Spirit, out of the ruins of the Fall makes us again by New Birth and changes us into the Image of Christ, the Lord of Glory !

When it says in Gen 1:26 " Let us make Man in Our Image and Likeness" the Spirit was speaking as well, and He fulfills His Part in making Us New Creatures in Christ, He Himself performs a Creation Act 2 Cor 5:17

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Eph 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Eph 4:24

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Col 3:10

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created[by the Spirit] him:

It was written once in the Book of Job ,Job 33:4

The [B]spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.

John Gill comments on this verse is noteworthy


The Spirit of God hath made me,.... As a man; so every man is made by God, and not by himself; Father, Son, and Spirit, are his Makers or Creators, as we read of them in the plural number, Psalm 149:2; and this is a proof of the deity of the Spirit, who was not only concerned in the creation of all things, garnishing the heavens, and moving upon the face of the waters on the earth; but in the formation of man:
and the breath of the mighty hath given me life; the same with the Spirit of God, the allusion is to the creation of man at first, when God breathed into him the breath of life, and he became a living soul: life natural is from God, he is the God of our life, he gives all the mercies of life, and by him is this life preserved; and the whole is the effect of almighty power: now this is observed by Elihu to Job, to encourage him to attend to him without fear, since he was a man, a creature of God, as he was:[B] it may be understood of his spiritual formation, the Spirit of God remakes men, or makes them new men, new creatures; this is done in regeneration, which is the work of the Holy Spirit; hence regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost, are put together; and being a work of almighty power, is proof of the deity of the Spirit of God; it is he that quickens men when dead in trespasses and sins, and makes them alive to God; which appears by their spiritual breathings after divine things, and by the exercise of their spiritual senses, and by their performance of spiritual actions; and now Elihu, being a man regenerated and quickened by the Spirit, might more justly claim the attention of Job, since what he should say was what he had heard, felt, and seen, as good man, one that had an experience of divine and spiritual things.

This also may more than suggest that men in OT times, knew of the Birth of the Spirit !

So, in order for man to live up to what he was in the beginning at Creation according to the Purpose of the Triune God, Made in the Image and Likeness of God, he must be in due time be born of the Spirit !

beloved57
September 14th, 2015, 02:30 AM
1 Cor 2:12

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

This is the same as the Spirit of Adoption Gal 4:5-6

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Its upon receiving the Spirit of God into our hearts are we equipped to know the things that are freely given to us of God as Per 1 Cor 2:12 !

That word know in 1 Cor 2:12 is the greek word eidó and means:

I know, remember, appreciate

properly, to see with physical eyes (cf. Ro 1:11), as it naturally bridges to the metaphorical sense: perceiving ("mentally seeing"). This is akin to the expressions: "I see what You mean"; "I see what you are saying."

("seeing that becomes knowing") then is a gateway to grasp spiritual truth (reality) from a physical plane. 1492 (eídō) then is physical seeing (sight) which should be the constant bridge to mental and spiritual seeing (comprehension).

We are given the Spirit in order to spiritually comprehend or see the things freely given us of God !

The things freely given us, namely by the Grace of God through the Lord Jesus Christ. The words freely given are the words in the original
charizomai and means:

(a) I show favor to, (b) I pardon, forgive, (c) I show kindness.

xarízomai (from 5485 /xáris, "grace, extending favor") – properly, to extend favor ("grace"), freely give favor to grant forgiveness (pardon).

("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.

Now this favor, forgiveness, we are given by God when He gave up Christ for us to die for us, Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Paul indicates here, all whom God gave Christ to be delivered up for, along with that, He shall freely give us all things. The words freely give are the same as in 1 Cor 2:12

/xarízomai ("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.

So when God delivered up Christ for us, it automatically equates to Him giving us freely, the forgiveness of sins, which is also Justification. Remember Paul had written back in Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered[same word deliver in Rom 8:32 for our offences, and was raised again for our justification

He was raised again because of our Justification which means:

The word Justification dikaiósis means:

acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.

These terms relate to forgiveness and pardon ! And so Rom 4:25 proves Rom 8:32,

And its these things, why we are given the Spirit of God to know of, appreciate, comprehend of !

beloved57
September 14th, 2015, 02:59 AM
Now since the Holy Spirit is given so that we may know the things freely given to us of God, such things as Forgiveness of sins, Acquittal, Justification from sin, then it serves to reason that when God sends Gospel Preachers to Preach to us the forgiveness of sins as here Acts 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Then those ones have been given the Spirit of God so that they can appreciate, and comprehend that which is being preached to them !

The word Preached here kataggelló means:

I declare openly, proclaim, preach, laud, celebrate.

to announce, declare, promulgate, make known; to proclaim publicly, publish

The Gospel makes known to them the forgiveness of sins ! The Spirit applies the Truth to their hearts to comfort them, thats why He is also called the comforter See Jn 14:16,26;15:26;16:7 and what is the promise to those mourn their sins Matt 5:4

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

So the Preaching of forgiveness of sins is to those who have been given the comforter, which is the Spirit of God !

Nanja
September 15th, 2015, 06:02 AM
1 Cor 2:12

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

This is the same as the Spirit of Adoption Gal 4:5-6

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Its upon receiving the Spirit of God into our hearts are we equipped to know the things that are freely given to us of God as Per 1 Cor 2:12 !




Now since the Holy Spirit is given so that we may know the things freely given to us of God, such things as Forgiveness of sins, Acquittal, Justification from sin, then it serves to reason that when God sends Gospel Preachers to Preach to us the forgiveness of sins as here Acts 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Then those ones have been given the Spirit of God so that they can appreciate, and comprehend that which is being preached to them !

The word Preached here kataggelló means:

I declare openly, proclaim, preach, laud, celebrate.

to announce, declare, promulgate, make known; to proclaim publicly, publish

The Gospel makes known to them the forgiveness of sins ! The Spirit applies the Truth to their hearts to comfort them, thats why He is also called the comforter See Jn 14:16,26;15:26;16:7 and what is the promise to those mourn their sins Matt 5:4

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

So the Preaching of forgiveness of sins is to those who have been given the comforter, which is the Spirit of God !


Amen to this edifying 2-part study!

Because forgiveness of sins is founded upon Election, being Chosen in Christ Eph. 1:4-7,
we receive the Spirit of Adoption Rom. 8:15, the Spirit of Christ the Son Gal. 4:6 into our hearts.
Our continual, involuntary calling on Father is the evidence that we are His Sons!
And scripture bears witness that forgiveness of sins is exclusive to the Election of Grace Eph. 1:7.

So the Spirit's Presence in us reveals to us experimentally, through the Preaching of the Gospel,
that we are the Sons of God, and thus have been totally exonerated of all sin.


The teachings in your threads, combined with the thoughts from your heart,
have been a great help to me, My Brother. I Thank God for you! ☺

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Robert Pate
September 15th, 2015, 06:09 AM
Amen to this edifying 2-part study!

Because forgiveness of sins is founded upon Election, being Chosen in Christ Eph. 1:4-7,
we receive the Spirit of Adoption Rom. 8:15, the Spirit of Christ the Son Gal. 4:6 into our hearts.
Our continual, involuntary calling on Father is the evidence that we are His Sons!
And scripture bears witness that forgiveness of sins is exclusive to the Election of Grace Eph. 1:7.

So the Spirit's Presence in us reveals to us experimentally, through the Preaching of the Gospel,
that we are the Sons of God, and thus have been totally exonerated of all sin.


The teachings in your threads, combined with the thoughts from your heart,
have been a great help to me, My Brother. I Thank God for you! ☺

~~~~~


God chose all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

What makes you think that God chose you? Are you some special precious thing?

beloved57
September 15th, 2015, 06:31 AM
Amen to this edifying 2-part study!

Because forgiveness of sins is founded upon Election, being Chosen in Christ Eph. 1:4-7,
we receive the Spirit of Adoption Rom. 8:15, the Spirit of Christ the Son Gal. 4:6 into our hearts.
Our continual, involuntary calling on Father is the evidence that we are His Sons!
And scripture bears witness that forgiveness of sins is exclusive to the Election of Grace Eph. 1:7.

So the Spirit's Presence in us reveals to us experimentally, through the Preaching of the Gospel,
that we are the Sons of God, and thus have been totally exonerated of all sin.


The teachings in your threads, combined with the thoughts from your heart,
have been a great help to me, My Brother. I Thank God for you! ☺

~~~~~
Praise God!

beloved57
September 15th, 2015, 06:32 AM
God chose all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

What makes you think that God chose you? Are you some special precious thing?
Invalid comments!

beloved57
September 15th, 2015, 03:25 PM
After the Spirit is given us we Look in Faith to Christ ! This Truth which I will prove from scripture makes it without question that Spiritual Birth precedes Faith in the Crucified One !

Zech 12:10

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Now if we notice, following the pouring upon certain ones, the Spirit of Grace , which is the Holy Spirit, called so also in the NT here Heb 10:29

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Following that , as a result of that, they shall LOOK upon Him whom they have pierced !

Now this LOOK is a Look of Faith, it is the Seeing of the Son Jesus mentions here Jn 6:40

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Its the Seeing that precedes the believing on the Son ! Here how we know ! The word Look in Zech 12:10 is the heb word nabat and means:

beheld (1), behold (1), beholds (2), consider (2), depend (1), depended (1), gaze (1), gazed (1), look (34), look down (2), looked (11), looks (4), observe (1), observed (1), pay attention (1), regard (2), see (3).

Now in comparison, the Word See in Jn 6:40 is the greek word theóreó and means:

I behold, look at, experience
Definition: I look at, gaze, behold; I see, experience, discern; I partake of.

to view attentively, take a view of, survey: τί, Matthew 28:1; to view mentally, consider

So clearly its describing the same action, the Looking is the Seeing which leads to believing on the Son,

However, we are blessed enough to understand that the Seeing is the direct result of the Outpouring of the Spirit of Grace upon the ones looking and seeing !

Also that word pour in Zech 12:10 is the same word used for the pouring of the Spirit here Titus 3:5-6

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Thats Right, Paul here is speaking about the same thing happening in Zech 12:10 regarding the Spirit being shed or poured on them !

And this is what is needed before Faith in Christ is a reality or something we can do !

Nanja
September 16th, 2015, 07:30 AM
After the Spirit is given us we Look in Faith to Christ ! This Truth which I will prove from scripture makes it without question that Spiritual Birth precedes Faith in the Crucified One !

Zech 12:10

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Now if we notice, following the pouring upon certain ones, the Spirit of Grace , which is the Holy Spirit, called so also in the NT here Heb 10:29

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Following that , as a result of that, they shall LOOK upon Him whom they have pierced !

Now this LOOK is a Look of Faith, it is the Seeing of the Son Jesus mentions here Jn 6:40

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Its the Seeing that precedes the believing on the Son ! Here how we know ! The word Look in Zech 12:10 is the heb word nabat and means:

beheld (1), behold (1), beholds (2), consider (2), depend (1), depended (1), gaze (1), gazed (1), look (34), look down (2), looked (11), looks (4), observe (1), observed (1), pay attention (1), regard (2), see (3).

Now in comparison, the Word See in Jn 6:40 is the greek word theóreó and means:

I behold, look at, experience
Definition: I look at, gaze, behold; I see, experience, discern; I partake of.

to view attentively, take a view of, survey: τί, Matthew 28:1; to view mentally, consider

So clearly its describing the same action, the Looking is the Seeing which leads to believing on the Son,

However, we are blessed enough to understand that the Seeing is the direct result of the Outpouring of the Spirit of Grace upon the ones looking and seeing !

Also that word pour in Zech 12:10 is the same word used for the pouring of the Spirit here Titus 3:5-6

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Thats Right, Paul here is speaking about the same thing happening in Zech 12:10 regarding the Spirit being shed or poured on them !

And this is what is needed before Faith in Christ is a reality or something we can do !


Amen!

Believing / having Faith in the work of Christ on ones behalf,
is the evidence that the Spirit of Grace Zech. 12:10 was poured on them first:
First they were saved, then Faith, the fruit of the Spirit Gal.5:22, is given them to believe on Christ.
The same ones are the Election of Grace chosen in Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9.
Consequently, they shall believe on Him through Grace Acts 18:27.

Before we can do anything of a spiritual nature, such as believing in Him
for Salvation, the qualifier is that we must first be abiding in the Vine.

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him,
the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The Elect always had Life in Christ Eph. 1:4; John 1:4 even before they ever come to believe on Him.

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beloved57
September 16th, 2015, 07:35 AM
Amen!

Believing / having Faith in the work of Christ on ones behalf,
is the evidence that the Spirit of Grace Zech. 12:10 was poured on them first:
First they were saved, then Faith, the fruit of the Spirit Gal.5:22, is given them to believe on Christ.
The same ones are the Election of Grace chosen in Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9.
Consequently, they shall believe on Him through Grace Acts 18:27.

Before we can do anything of a spiritual nature, such as believing in Him
for Salvation, the qualifier is that we must first be abiding in the Vine.

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him,
the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The Elect always had Life in Christ Eph. 1:4; John 1:4 even before they ever come to believe on Him.

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Amen and that scripture Acts 18:27 believe through Grace, I take to mean "the Spirit of Grace " Zech12:10 !

Nanja
September 16th, 2015, 07:44 AM
Amen and that scripture Acts 18:27 believe through Grace, I take to mean "the Spirit of Grace " Zech12:10 !

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Robert Pate
September 16th, 2015, 09:17 AM
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What is this?

Is this the B57 and Nanja thread?

To be a member of this thread you have to know how to twist and pervert the word of God.

Count me out.

beloved57
September 16th, 2015, 09:43 AM
What is this?

Is this the B57 and Nanja thread?

To be a member of this thread you have to know how to twist and pervert the word of God.

Count me out.

We believe the Gospel!

Nanja
September 16th, 2015, 01:29 PM
We believe the Gospel!


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beloved57
September 20th, 2015, 05:20 AM
You want to know why a True Believer cannot depart from the Faith as here 1 Tim 4:1 and Lk 8:13 , its because when they hear and believe the Gospel of their Salvation, God the Holy Spirit seals them until the day of redemption Eph 1:13-14

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Eph 4:30

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

This sealing ensures our perseverance in the Faith of the Gospel, in fact its that anointing John writes of here 1 Jn 2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

And notice the promise given to the Spirit taught believer, Ye SHALL abide in Him ! That means the believer shall remain in the teachings of the Spirit, and in another place John writes Jn 14:27

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So no falling away from the Truth of the Gospel Faith is even possible for the Holy Spirit sealed believer. The true believer can never be of those spoken of here Heb 10:38-39

Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

See thats what departing from the faith is 1 Tim 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

The words depart from, the greek aphistēmi means:

F.to withdraw one's self from, to fall away

B.to desert, withdraw from one

C.to fall away, become faithless

Now the sealed believer cannot become faithless anymore, like they were before belief in the Gospel !

For that to happen, the Seal of the Spirit of God would have to be defeated, overcome or broken ! And to think that is possible is Blasphemous to the Spirit of God !

beloved57
September 22nd, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Now whether it be the Father drawing one to Christ so they come, or the Son drawing to Himself, so they come, either or, The Spirit is working in behalf of Both to accomplish their Saving Purpose. Christ says this of the Spirits sending Jn 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Again Jn 15:26

But when the Comforter[The Holy Spirit] is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Jesus said He will send the Spirit from the Father to the Church , the Body of Christ !

Jn 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And by the Spirit Jesus sends Life, when He send the Spirit He gives Life to a dead member of His Body, and so the Spirit quickens [gives life] in behalf of both the Father and the Son to the Church members Jn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Spirit quickening us gives new and Spiritual Life, which propels motion towards Christ, a motion we dont have without Spiritual Life, all activity and motion such as coming is, takes life ! How can one come to Christ without Life ? Life from the Spirit impels us with motion toward Christ ! Thats the drawing of both the Father and the Son as well !

beloved57
August 4th, 2016, 12:53 AM
The Holy Spirit gives Life to dead sinners for Christ's sake !


The Holy Spirit must and does give life [spiritual] to all for whom Christ died, and hath put away their sins, for He was manifested to take away their sins 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.


Christ's death for them He died, took away their sins, and hence abolished death 2 Tim 1:10

But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Now where sin has been put away, and death abolished, Life must be given in a way of Justice, hence all for whom Christ died, to them He becomes a quickening Spirit or a Life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15: 45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit or a Life giving Spirit [ A Savior from spiritual death]

The amp bible gives the right idea :

So it is written , “The first man, Adam, became a living soul (an individual);” the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life].

[I]This is done by the Person and Work of the Holy Spirit, and so Jesus says Jn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth[gives life]; the flesh profiteth nothing: thewords that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

It is the Spirit Who gives life [He is the Life-giver]; the flesh conveys no benefit whatever [there is no profit in it]. The words (truths) that I have been speaking to you are spirit and life. AMPC

The Spirit works in behalf of Christ and gives spiritual life to dead sinners for whom Christ hath put away their sins and abolished death for !
It is the Spirit Who gives life [He is the Life-giver]; the flesh conveys no benefit whatever [there is no profit in it]. The words (truths) that I have been speaking to you are spirit and life.

beloved57
August 5th, 2016, 12:03 AM
He convicts them [Christ died for] of sin, the sin of unbelief !

Many in false religion say that Christ has died for people, for their sins, but yet those same ones can die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

They would tell us that Jesus here is speaking of those He died for.

Folks that is one of the biggest lies ever told by the depraved mind of men, nowhere does it state in scripture that those Christ died for may wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief. In fact the first and foremost sin that a would be believer is convinced of by the Holy Spirit of God, is that sin of unbelief Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he[The Holy Spirit] is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they believe not on me;

If one Jesus died for believes not on Him, as it is stated in Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

such a one for whom Christ died, His Sheep, would be reproved for that sin by the Spirit of God, the sin of not believing on Him. So sinners Christ died for shall be by the power of the Holy Spirit convinced of their sin of unbelief.

Nanja
August 21st, 2016, 07:01 AM
Eph 1:9

9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Eph 1:13

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

When God the Holy Spirit gives elect sinners faith in Christ, He makes known the Mystery of His Will, He reveals the Eternal secrets of God's heart to His Children, and this revelation of the Mystery of His will is God given assurance [faith] of our Election and Redemption in Christ. He reveals these things to us His Children Deut 29:29

29The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

That we, The Children may walk in the Spirit, and Live by Faith ! For the Just [ Legally Justified by the blood of Christ] shall live by Faith.

Rom 1:17

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

All for whom Christ died, The Holy Spirit will make known to them, something up to now that was a secret or hidden from them, thats what a mystery is, and that is, they are righteous before God premised on Christ blood, and that they are Children of God.

Thats what the Gospel reveals to those Christ died for, by the work of the Holy Spirit.


TY for this excellent post!

Each one of God's elect children Deut. 7:6-7; 1 Pet. 2:9 shall have it revealed to them by the Holy Spirit, the mystery of His Will, God's Eternal Purpose Eph. 3:11, that Christ Jesus the Covenanat Head and Surety of His Sheep, Legally satisfied God's Law and Justice in their behalf by His blood Is. 53:6; Rev. 13:8, and were Justified, legally abjured Righteous in God's sight, from everlasting Heb. 13:20.

1 Thes, 1:5
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

The evidence of a person's Election of God is that they shall be Born of the Spirit and receive the Word of Truth Eph. 1:13.

2 Thes. 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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beloved57
August 21st, 2016, 07:52 AM
Nanja

The evidence of a person's Election of God is that they shall be Born of the Spirit and receive the Word of Truth Eph. 1:13.

Amen Sister!

Robert Pate
August 21st, 2016, 07:57 AM
No one can receive the Holy Spirit without hearing and believing the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.

The Gospel is the good news that Jesus Christ has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19.

popsthebuilder
August 22nd, 2016, 05:46 AM
No one can receive the Holy Spirit without hearing and believing the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.

The Gospel is the good news that Jesus Christ has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19.
Not true, one only needs faith. All else is a result of that faith by the grace of GOD.

Peace

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beloved57
August 22nd, 2016, 07:09 AM
No one can receive the Holy Spirit without hearing and believing the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.

The Gospel is the good news that Jesus Christ has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19.

False statement.

beloved57
August 23rd, 2016, 08:37 AM
Not true, one only needs faith. All else is a result of that faith by the grace of GOD.

Peace

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Man by nature doesn't have Faith, it's a fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Nanja
August 26th, 2016, 03:58 PM
God the Holy Spirit should be Praised because It is by His work, by His quickening Power that He imparts the principals of a New and Spiritual Life to the Soul Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

This translates us from death unto life Jn 5:24

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Col 1:13

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Jesus speaks of that here Jn 3:5

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So when one is Born of the Spirit he enters into the Kingdom of God.

This also separates us from our Old Man, the Sin Nature that still indwells us, and gives us experiential Union and Fellowship to the Person of Christ who was Our Spiritual head, the Second Adam. 1 Cor 1:9

9God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son[In His Kingdom Col 1:13] Jesus Christ our Lord.

Again Jesus pointed to this in His memorable discourse with Nicodemus, when He pointed to the work of the Holy Spirit. Jn 3:3-8. This work of the Spirit prepares and precedes the sinner looking to the work of the Son Jn 3:16. The Holy Spirit Glorifies Christ by showing the redeemed sinner the Cross of Jesus Christ and opening up to them what it accomplished. Jn 16:14

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Whats more to Christ Glory than anything else ? His Cross ! Notice what Paul says Gal 6:14

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

1 Cor 1:17-18

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

John 17:1

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Jesus speaking of His impending death, as the Traitor Judas has just left to trigger the dastardly deed says Jn 13:30-32

30He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

31Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

32If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

And So the Spirit takes what is Christ and opens it up and expounds it unto all for whom Christ died and redeemed by His blood, this occurs within the sphere of His Kingdom. This is a Great Work of the Spirit of God, may He be Praised ! 1 Cor 2:9-10

9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


Amen to this very Edifying study in The Word. ☺

Indeed we Praise the Holy Spirit for His quickening Work in all the Elect of God 1 Pet. 1:2; Eph. 2:1; Titus 3:5, the Many Christ died for Mat. 26:28, His Church Eph. 5:25. And we Praise Him for His revealing the Cross of Christ and what it accomplished on Our behalf; and for His Spiritual Power working in us continually, and our experiencing the enjoyment and the great privilege of Spiritual Intimacy and Fellowship with Christ, being chosen In Union with Him, Our Spiritual Head Eph. 1:4.

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beloved57
August 26th, 2016, 04:29 PM
Amen to this very Edifying study in The Word. ☺

Indeed we Praise the Holy Spirit for His quickening Work in all the Elect of God 1 Pet. 1:2; Eph. 2:1; Titus 3:5, the Many Christ died for Mat. 26:28, His Church Eph. 5:25. And we Praise Him for His revealing the Cross of Christ and what it accomplished on Our behalf; and for His Spiritual Power working in us continually, and our experiencing the enjoyment and the great privilege of Spiritual Intimacy and Fellowship with Christ, being chosen In Union with Him, Our Spiritual Head Eph. 1:4.

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Amen Sister!

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Nanja
August 31st, 2016, 07:48 AM
The Lord Jesus Christ said of the Work of Holy Spirit in the world after His Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension would be to Glorify Him, this is because He would be an extension of Himself being Glorified. Jesus said Lk 24:26

Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Jn 12:16,23

These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.

And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

You see, arminiansim, freewillism, these false teachings attribute the application of Salvation to the will of man, they say it is up to man to crown the Saviour's work a success to save a soul. They say it is up to man to choose who shall or shall not be saved by the Work of Christ, however scripture teaches no such LIE, but it is God the Holy Spirit who effectually applies the blood of Christ to Chosen and Redeemed sinners. He quickens them by His Almighty Power Jn 6:63

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The word quickeneth is the greek word zōopoieō and means:


to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

He, Glorifies Jesus Christ by giving Spiritual Life, or making alive Spiritually everyone Christ died for and redeemed by His Blood. He applies Justification to Life to all whom Christ represented in His act of obedience Rom 5:18

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

It is He, the Holy Spirit, through the Gospel that calls those Chosen and Redeemed sinners with effectual grace, remember when Paul said he was called by His Grace ? Gal 1:5. See also 2 Thess 2:14; Ps 65:4;110:3; Jn 16:8-11

For He by His Power gives Faith to the Chosen, for Faith is the Fruit or effect of the Spirit Gal 5:22. However, the adversaries of the Cross deny His Sovereign Work which crowns Christ's work with success and Glorifies Him, and attribute it to the freewill of man !


Perfectly stated!

Those advocating a false freewill gospel and denying Christ's Sovereign Work to save only the Election of Grace 2 Tim. 1:9, the Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23, to them, the non-elect unjust, the True Gospel is a stumbling block, a savor of death unto death 2 Cor. 2:16 to which they were appointed 1 Pet. 2:8, and so they shall all remain in a permanent state of unbelief and disobedience.


Rev. 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Mat. 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

~~~~~

beloved57
August 31st, 2016, 07:56 AM
Perfectly stated!

Those advocating a false freewill gospel and denying Christ's Sovereign Work to save only the Election of Grace 2 Tim. 1:9, the Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23, to them, the non-elect unjust, the True Gospel is a stumbling block, a savor of death unto death 2 Cor. 2:16 to which they were appointed 1 Pet. 2:8, and so they shall all remain in a permanent state of unbelief and disobedience.


Rev. 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Mat. 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

~~~~~
Exactly!

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Nanja
September 20th, 2016, 07:06 AM
Finally, it is by the Work of the Holy Spirit, that saving witness is obtained that one is a Child of God, and that we had a Personal interest in that Righteousness of God that Christ wrought out for God's Elect People, His Israel of God, and so it is by this internal witness Rom 8:16

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit and inner conscious, that we are the children of God:

And by this comes our Conscious Justification, that is we have now been declared Righteous Consciously, and so Justified in the Name of the Lord [on account of His Imputed Righteousness] and by the Spirit of Our God, who it is that shews to us this Great Blessing !


A Very Great Blessing indeed He has shewed Us!

Thanking the Lord for you, Brother, and this Most Edifying 3-part study entitled,

"The Work of the Spirit Justifying in Salvation!" ☺

~~~~~

beloved57
September 20th, 2016, 09:10 AM
A Very Great Blessing indeed He has shewed Us!

Thanking the Lord for you, Brother, and this Most Edifying 3-part study entitled,

"The Work of the Spirit Justifying in Salvation!" ☺

~~~~~

May God Bless you!

beloved57
December 20th, 2016, 04:22 AM
Quickened in order to believe the Gospel !

Before one can embrace the Words of Truth in the Gospel, Gods words, they must first be made alive or quickened. Thats why Jesus says this Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Jesus describes here who it is that will hear Gods words, the Gospel, it is those who are of God.

In Another scripture Jesus says it this way Jn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Notice that Jesus says here that it is the Spirit that quickens or gives life, and it is to them whom He the Spirit gives life, Christ's words are spirit and life, that is they are Spiritual food to the quickened by the Spirit. The Gospel is Spiritual food to the quickened lambs of God, the Sheep.

Nanja
December 20th, 2016, 07:57 AM
Quickened in order to believe the Gospel !

Before one can embrace the Words of Truth in the Gospel, Gods words, they must first be made alive or quickened. Thats why Jesus says this Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Jesus describes here who it is that will hear Gods words, the Gospel, it is those who are of God.

In Another scripture Jesus says it this way Jn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Notice that Jesus says here that it is the Spirit that quickens or gives life, and it is to them whom He the Spirit gives life, Christ's words are spirit and life, that is they are Spiritual food to the quickened by the Spirit. The Gospel is Spiritual food to the quickened lambs of God, the Sheep.


Amen Brother!

The only hope a person has of being able to Hear and receive and believe God's Words John 17:8, which are Spiritual, is by them first being quickened by His Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, who is Eternal God. And it's only these Spiritually Alive ones, His Election of Grace 2 Tim. 1:9, who when they Hear the Gospel of God's Grace, it's a savour of Life unto Life to them 2 Cor. 2:16 KJV, for it comes to them not in word only, but in Power, and in the Holy Ghost 1 Thes. 1:5.
So, it's guaranteed that Christ's Sheep, God's Elect, shall Hear His Voice, His Words John 10:27.

beloved57
December 20th, 2016, 08:18 AM
Amen Brother!

The only hope a person has of being able to Hear and receive and believe God's Words John 17:8, which are Spiritual, is by them first being quickened by His Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, who is Eternal God. And it's only these Spiritually Alive ones, His Election of Grace 2 Tim. 1:9, who when they Hear the Gospel of God's Grace, it's a savour of Life unto Life to them 2 Cor. 2:16 KJV, for it comes to them not in word only, but in Power, and in the Holy Ghost 1 Thes. 1:5.
So, it's guaranteed that Christ's Sheep, God's Elect, shall Hear His Voice, His Words John 10:27.

Exactly! I knew this would be a blessing to you as it was to me.

Nanja
December 20th, 2016, 08:57 AM
Exactly! I knew this would be a blessing to you as it was to me.


Yes, it sure was/is, because to us, Hearing God's Words and experiencing the continual presence of the Spirit of His Son abiding in us, and us in Him John 15:5, is a very great Blessing and a constant reality!

1 Pet. 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

:)

beloved57
December 20th, 2016, 11:08 AM
Nanja


because to us, Hearing God's Words and experiencing the continual presence of the Spirit of His Son abiding in us, and us in Him John 15:5, is a very great Blessing and a constant reality!

Amen,that's an indication of Spiritual life in us!

Nanja
December 20th, 2016, 02:25 PM
Nanja



Amen,that's an indication of Spiritual life in us!

Positively!

beloved57
January 9th, 2017, 09:29 AM
He [The Holy Spirit] shall convict the world of sin !
John 16:8
And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment

The World here is the Elect, all the sinners Christ died for,whether jew or gentile.

You see there is a world of sinners that He, the Holy Spirit, will teach their sinnership to.Its the world of God's children whom it's promised that they shall all be taught of God!Jn6:45

45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me esv

You see the prophets taught this, Isa 54:13

13 And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

Those sinners Christ died for are made to feel their sinfulness before God and made to realize their need of their Saviour, so Jesus says of them, they shall come to me Jn 6:44 , because they are taught of God then led to Christ, and as Paul also wrote Rom 8:14

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Nanja
January 9th, 2017, 04:43 PM
He [The Holy Spirit] shall convict the world of sin !
John 16:8
And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment

The World here is the Elect, all the sinners Christ died for,whether jew or gentile.

You see there is a world of sinners that He, the Holy Spirit, will teach their sinnership to.Its the world of God's children whom it's promised that they shall all be taught of God!Jn6:45

45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me esv

You see the prophets taught this, Isa 54:13

13 And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

Those sinners Christ died for are made to feel their sinfulness before God and made to realize their need of their Saviour, so Jesus says of them, they shall come to me Jn 6:44 , because they are taught of God then led to Christ, and as Paul also wrote Rom 8:14

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


Amen! The Holy Spirit's Work in the Elect Children of God Eph. 1:4-5 is exactly the same for OT saints as is NT saints.

They are all given New Birth, drawn by the Father, taught by the Holy Spirit and receive His Fruit including Faith Gal. 5:22. And they receive the Blessing of Abraham Gal. 3:14 as do all God's Children of Promise Rom. 9:8.

Gal. 4:4-6
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Rom. 8:14-16
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

beloved57
January 9th, 2017, 06:24 PM
Amen! The Holy Spirit's Work in the Elect Children of God Eph. 1:4-5 is exactly the same for OT saints as is NT saints.

They are all given New Birth, drawn by the Father, taught by the Holy Spirit and receive His Fruit including Faith Gal. 5:22. And they receive the Blessing of Abraham Gal. 3:14 as do all God's Children of Promise Rom. 9:8.

Gal. 4:4-6
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Rom. 8:14-16
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Amen Sister!

beloved57
April 18th, 2017, 07:41 AM
The Spirit comes to save in answer to the work of Christ !

Remember when Jesus said to His disciples Jn 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The Comforter is the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit whom Christ will send to His redeemed ones. He comes to save them from the power of sin as it relates to the saving, redeeming death of Christ. Yes theres a Saving Work the Sprit must do in answer to Christ's Saving Death. Paul describes this saving work of the Comforter here Titus 3:5

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercyhe saved us,[how?] by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The renewing of the Holy of the Holy Ghost is part of the saving work Christ's death provides, its evidence Hes become our Saviour, Titus 3:6

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

The word through here is the preposition dia which means:

the ground or reason by which something is or is not done

by reason of

on account of

because of for this reason

therefore

on this account


It also means for the sake of !

The Holy Spirit saving work of renewal is upon sinners Christ is the Saviour of, those He died for, having put away their sins and they being Justified. This Work of saving renewal is for the sake of Christ, on account of Christ, a result of His going away spoken of in Jn 16:7

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The word depart means, if I depart from this life, if I die, I will send Him the Spirit to you, meaning His Church !

beloved57
April 18th, 2017, 10:56 AM
The Spirits Saving Work of renewal Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Is necessary in order for the words of the Angel to be absolutely true to form, which are these Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

This promise to save His People from their sins denotes saving them also from the power of sin, which is the work of the Spirit inwardly. Its an inward spiritual renewal that is needed to be set free from the power of sin and unbelief !

In other words, if Christ doesn't through the Power of the Holy Spirit save one for whom He died from the Power of Sin and unbelief from a Saving work of the Sprit, then His Saving Mission failed, the Angel lied. One cant be saved from their sins and then die in unbelief, that's an contradiction !

Nanja
April 19th, 2017, 06:31 AM
The Spirits Saving Work of renewal Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Is necessary in order for the words of the Angel to be absolutely true to form, which are these Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

This promise to save His People from their sins denotes saving them also from the power of sin, which is the work of the Spirit inwardly. Its an inward spiritual renewal that is needed to be set free from the power of sin and unbelief !

In other words, if Christ doesn't through the Power of the Holy Spirit save one for whom He died from the Power of Sin and unbelief from a Saving work of the Sprit, then His Saving Mission failed, the Angel lied. One cant be saved from their sins and then die in unbelief, that's an contradiction !



Amen to posts #182 and #183!

The Holy Spirit shall regenerate and renew [Gr. anakainōsis: a complete change for the better] all God's Elect, Christ's Sheep He was Surety for in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace John 10:11,15; Heb. 13:20. And it's a Covenant Promise that all the Sheep shall know Him John 10:14; Heb. 8:10-11.

Consequently their sanctification of the Spirit is a guarantee that they shall never die in sin and unbelief, but they shall all be renewed and brought to belief of the Truth.

2 Thes. 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

beloved57
April 19th, 2017, 07:16 AM
nanja


Consequently their sanctification of the Spirit is a guarantee that they shall never die in sin and unbelief, but they shall all be renewed and brought to belief of the Truth.


Exactly !

beloved57
April 19th, 2017, 10:31 AM
A Life Giving Spirit !

1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam[Jesus Christ] was made a quickening spirit.



The word quickening here is the greek word zōopoieō and means:



to produce alive, begat or bear living young
to cause to live, make alive, give life

by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

to restore to life

to give increase of life: thus of physical life

of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life

metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing

And so its translated He, Christ is made a Life giving Spirt. See He gives Spiritual Life to every sinner He put their sins away.

He came to give Life to His World Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.




No not all without exception like false teachers say, but the world of His Elect, His Church, or of His Sheep. Remember when Jesus said this Jn 10:10

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

That's the Life John writes of in Jn 6:33 also the world, the world of the Sheep, to that World Christ is a Life Giving Spirit because their sins have been put away ! The Comforter will come to them with Life and Comfort !

Nanja
April 20th, 2017, 07:22 AM
beloved57


He came to give Life to His World Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.




No not all without exception like false teachers say, but the world of His Elect, His Church, or of His Sheep. Remember when Jesus said this Jn 10:10

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

That's the Life John writes of in Jn 6:33 also the world, the world of the Sheep, to that World Christ is a Life Giving Spirit because their sins have been put away ! The Comforter will come to them with Life and Comfort !


Amen Brother, Life and Comfort indeed!

The Spirit of Christ is made a Life Giving Spirit for all His Elect or Sheep He redeemed by His Death John 10:11,15, His Church Eph. 5:25, a Covenant Blessing Ezek. 36:27 of New Birth as a result of them being Chosen in Him from Everlasting to the Adoption of Sons Eph. 1:4-5. So then as a consequence every one of them shall receive the Spirit of Adoption in their lifetime.

Rom. 8:14-16
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

Gal. 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

beloved57
May 8th, 2017, 02:26 AM
The Holy Spirit reveals Salvation to Gods Elect !

Jesus indicates as much here Jn 16:13-15

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.



14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


This isnt just a promise to Christ's disciples, but to His Church, His Body He was about to give Himself for Eph 5:25-26,

The Spirit is given to all the redeemed in order that they may come to know the things freely given to them as Gifts of Redemption so Paul writes 1 Cor 2:7-12


7 But we speak the wisdom of God [The Gospel of Christ 1 Cor 1:24] in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

The Spirit is given to the redeemed one in order to give them a experimental knowledge of Salvation, things freely given them of God, which things accompany the giving of Christ for them as Per Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

And so the Spirit is given along with Christ in order to show, reveal to the hearts and minds, conscience of the redeemed those things freely given to them with Christ !

One such thing freely given is forgiveness , pardon. The greek word for freely given in 1 Cor 2:12 is charizomai and primarily means :

properly, to extend favor ("grace"), freely give favor to grant forgiveness (pardon).


xarízomai ("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.
[5483 (http://biblehub.com/greek/5483.htm) (xarízomai) literally means, "to exercise grace, freely show favor," i.e. willingly ("graciously") bestow.]


All for whom Christ was given, God graciously bestows upon them in His court of Law and Justice forgiveness of sins according to the richs of His Grace Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Now this be one of things the Spirit is given for, to make their forgiveness known unto them !

patrick jane
May 8th, 2017, 02:34 AM
Hogwah

beloved57
May 8th, 2017, 05:48 AM
And it should be understood that forgiveness or remission of sins is Salvation !Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Nanja
May 8th, 2017, 07:09 AM
And it should be understood that forgiveness or remission of sins is Salvation !Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,


Precisely! Once the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Promise Gal. 3:14, is given to an Elect Child of God Eph. 1:4-7, Christ's Church He gave His Life for Eph. 5:25-26, they are given Faith / Trust in New Birth Gal. 5:22 and Spiritual Ears to Hear His Words Prov. 20:12, and it's then revealed to them of their Sonship in Christ, and that they have forgiveness / remission of sins through His Death for them 1 Cor. 1:30. And the Holy Spirit gives them knowledge of it through the Gospel:

Eph. 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Rom. 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth [declared righteous].

Rom. 8:15-16
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

beloved57
May 8th, 2017, 07:16 AM
Precisely! Once the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Promise Gal. 3:14, is given to an Elect Child of God Eph. 1:4-7, Christ's Church He gave His Life for Eph. 5:25-26, they are given Faith / Trust in New Birth Gal. 5:22 and Spiritual Ears to Hear His Words Prov. 20:12, and it's then revealed to them of their Sonship in Christ, and that they have forgiveness / remission of sins through His Death for them 1 Cor. 1:30. And the Holy Spirit gives them knowledge of it through the Gospel:

Eph. 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Rom. 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth [declared righteous].

Rom. 8:15-16
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God
Very Good!

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Nanja
May 25th, 2017, 07:24 AM
Eph 4:30

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

One of the main purposes of a seal is to mark ownership, legal right of possession; proprietorship.

Now this is in line with the Truth of Redemption, for in Redemption all for whom Christ died have been purchased with a price, and are His purchased possession, and so by that He sends the Seal of the New Birth, Heart Circumcision, because without the Spirit, there is no evidence that we are His own possession Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

He did not purchase you by His Blood !

2 Cor 1:22

22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Listen, If Christ died and redeemed us, then to prove that He did, to confirm our being purchased, He seals us with His Spirit in our Hearts by New Birth, for the Redeemed have the Spirit sent into their Hearts Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

That word redeem in Vs 5 the greek word exagorazō means to:

II.to buy up, to buy up for one's self, for one's use

Paul writes in 1 Cor 6:20

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

That price is not our believing, our repentance, or anything we did, but it was the Precious blood of Christ, AND THATS IT !

That alone made everyone He died for His Purchased Possession, and that entitled them to be sealed by the Spirit as a mark of His Owner Ship redemptively by His Blood !

The Only way a man or women does not receive this Sealing of the Spirit is because they were none of His Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Because the Spirit is proof of ownership !


Amen Brother!

Contrary to what false religion teaches, there are no conditions the carnal man can meet, i.e.: his own receiving, believing/ faith/ trusting, repentance or obedience to get himself sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, but it's received passively in all whom God gives New Birth John 3:27.

Therefore, it's only God's adopted Children who were Chosen in union with Christ to be Redeemed by His Blood Eph. 1:4-7, which receive the Spirit of Adoption.

Rom. 8:15-17
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

beloved57
May 25th, 2017, 07:33 AM
Amen Brother!

Contrary to what false religion teaches, there are no conditions the carnal man can meet, i.e.: his own receiving, believing/ faith/ trusting, repentance or obedience to get himself sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, but it's received passively in all whom God gives New Birth John 3:27.

Therefore, it's only God's adopted Children who were Chosen in union with Christ to be Redeemed by His Blood Eph. 1:4-7, which receive the Spirit of Adoption.

Rom. 8:15-17
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Amen Sister. I'm glad you quoted that post, I have forgotten about it, but at the time it was a Blessing posting it.

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Nanja
May 25th, 2017, 07:38 AM
Amen Sister. I'm glad you quoted that post, I have forgotten about it, but at the time it was a Blessing posting it.

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Amen Brother! I've been studying this excellent thread lately, and the Spirit led me to answer this particular post ! ☺

beloved57
May 19th, 2018, 05:56 AM
The expedient work of the Comforter or Holy Spirit !

John 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


Even though Christ here is speaking directly to His disciples, its still His Church, His Body Hes referring to, for they are only members of His Body 1 Cor 12:27-28

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.


28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Now it was expedient that Christ go away [ to be glorified] in order that He would send the Spirit, Counselor back to His Body the Church. Remember when Christ was Glorified after His Death and Ascension , He received of the Father the Holy Spirit Acts 2:32-33


32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.


33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. See Eph 4:8;Ps 68:18

Now the Work of the Spirit in the sphere of Salvation accomplished by Christ for His People is to apply Salvation to each member of the Body/Church of Christ in due season. This begins with giving them new birth, or spiritual life, or being born again, to effect their spiritual conversion !

Nanja
May 19th, 2018, 03:54 PM
The expedient work of the Comforter or Holy Spirit !

John 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


Even though Christ here is speaking directly to His disciples, its still His Church, His Body Hes referring to, for they are only members of His Body 1 Cor 12:27-28

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.


28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Now it was expedient that Christ go away [ to be glorified] in order that He would send the Spirit, Counselor back to His Body the Church. Remember when Christ was Glorified after His Death and Ascension , He received of the Father the Holy Spirit Acts 2:32-33


32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.


33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. See Eph 4:8;Ps 68:18

Now the Work of the Spirit in the sphere of Salvation accomplished by Christ for His People is to apply Salvation to each member of the Body/Church of Christ in due season. This begins with giving them new birth, or spiritual life, or being born again, to effect their spiritual conversion !


Perfectly stated Brother!

The Body / Church Christ died for consists of the Adopted Children / Sons of God Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph. 1:4-5. So they were His Adopted Sons before they received the Spirit of Christ, and that's why God sends the Spirit of His Son into their hearts as a confirmation of what Christ has accomplished on their behalf, and of the Promise of their Eternal Inheritance Heb. 9:15; Eph. 1:11 as God's Children Gal. 4:4-6:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

1 John 3:1-3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us John 3:16 that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.