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Knight
March 2nd, 2010, 01:52 PM
Are you a forum stalker? Do you follow people around on TheologyOnline calling them names in every possible thread you can find them in?

If so...

Your days at TOL are numbered.

Regardless if I agree with your theology or politics... enough is enough. TOL is a place for dialog and I will not allow you thwart that dialog via your constant harassment.

There is nothing wrong with harsh debate but when that harsh debate turns into harassment and stalking I will take action.

OMEGA
March 2nd, 2010, 04:01 PM
I hope KOBAN reads this Thread.

Stripe
March 2nd, 2010, 05:52 PM
Is this the final warning? :)

Trumpetfolker
March 2nd, 2010, 06:45 PM
Just a little biblical discipline per Paul in 1 Co.5 dealing with railer type leaven, I presume.

kmoney
March 2nd, 2010, 06:50 PM
So I have to stops calling Lighthouse gay?? :sozo2:


;)

OMEGA
March 2nd, 2010, 07:01 PM
Lighthouse is a very spiritual person.

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,

but that which is good to the use of edifying,

that it may minister grace unto the hearers.:sheep:

TulipBee
March 3rd, 2010, 10:37 AM
I'm new here. I wonder how I fit in TOL. I posted a few and may be breaking the rules already. I'm looking for a forum that always allow strong debates with harsh words and I hope this will be that forum. I usually try name calling large groups as a group and may sound narrowed to an individual. I'm having the same problems Johnathon Edwards were having in his town. I do stalk Arminians and will work with any forum administrators on my behavior at all times. I like honesty.

Adoration
March 3rd, 2010, 10:50 AM
I'm new here. I wonder how I fit in TOL. I posted a few and may be breaking the rules already. I'm looking for a forum that always allow strong debates with harsh words and I hope this will be that forum. I usually try name calling large groups as a group and may sound narrowed to an individual. I'm having the same problems Johnathon Edwards were having in his town. I do stalk Arminians and will work with any forum administrators on my behavior at all times. I like honesty.

Bring it on you Deterministic Leftist!

(I used my own free will to compose this post)

bybee
March 3rd, 2010, 11:03 AM
Bring it on you Deterministic Leftist!

(I used my own free will to compose this post)

lol! I'm salivating! Another lover of the pejorative noun! peace, bybee

MaryContrary
March 3rd, 2010, 11:06 AM
Bring it on you Deterministic Leftist!

(I used my own free will to compose this post)

:rotfl:

That's TOL, TulipBee. Welcome aboard! :thumb:

bybee
March 3rd, 2010, 11:08 AM
I'm new here. I wonder how I fit in TOL. I posted a few and may be breaking the rules already. I'm looking for a forum that always allow strong debates with harsh words and I hope this will be that forum. I usually try name calling large groups as a group and may sound narrowed to an individual. I'm having the same problems Johnathon Edwards were having in his town. I do stalk Arminians and will work with any forum administrators on my behavior at all times. I like honesty.

You may be a "Sinner in the hands of an angry God" but I am not!!! For your information the epithets, Moron,Imbecile and Idiot have been used to inanity on these pages. I do love a creative and inventive use of the English Language. Are you up to it? bybee

TulipBee
March 3rd, 2010, 11:21 AM
Bring it on you Deterministic Leftist!(I used my own free will to compose this post)

Thank God for your post. Our Lord lead you to post your reply so I can learn of my next question. I was praying for your reply. I was forced to answer leftist or rightist or any extreme in between or extremist beyond either R or L. I had to pick leftist even though I don't know what the heck leftist means. Maybe that wasn't "right". I wish there was a simpler option to join this forum. Does leftism and rightism have something to do with politics or was I supposed or required to know politics before I come on this board? I dropped caesar's coin. His face seems to be on both sides of the coin and care less about the groups that printed the coin and didn't pick it back up.
I care less that you called me a Deterministic Leftist and I don't even know what it is. But to learn what Knight is talking about, doesn't this mean you called me a name? Are we allow to call people names? Just checking in case I need to call you a name back.

TulipBee
March 3rd, 2010, 11:23 AM
You may be a "Sinner in the hands of an angry God" but I am not!!! For your information the epithets, Moron,Imbecile and Idiot have been used to inanity on these pages. I do love a creative and inventive use of the English Language. Are you up to it? bybee
I guess. Please don't make me cry. Wait, let me get my shield and sword. OK I'm in ready stance.

Adoration
March 3rd, 2010, 11:26 AM
Thank God for your post. Our Lord lead you to post your reply so I can learn of my next question. I was praying for your reply. I was forced to answer leftist or rightist or any extreme in between or extremist beyond either R or L. I had to pick leftist even though I don't know what the heck leftist means. Maybe that wasn't "right". I wish there was a simpler option to join this forum. Does leftism and rightism have something to do with politics or was I supposed or required to know politics before I come on this board? I dropped caesar's coin. His face seems to be on both sides of the coin and care less about the groups that printed the coin and didn't pick it back up.
I care less that you called me a Deterministic Leftist and I don't even know what it is. But to learn what Knight is talking about, doesn't this mean you called me a name? Are we allow to call people names? Just checking in case I need to call you a name back.


I was mostly just joking, and I doubt that you are a leftist. A leftist is a person who supports far left political ideology, ie. Socialism.

A 5 points Calvinist is a determinist when it comes to salvation. A determinist believes that the future is already settled based on events of the past and that that nothing we do will impact this final outcome. (this is a sloppy definition, but you get the idea)

You are allowed to call people names on this forum, and sometimes it may be appropriate. Charity and good will are encouraged, but this doesn't mean we can't debate aggressively.


Feel free to start a thread about TULIP on the Christian Theology forum and I'll enjoy ripping your heresy to threads!

Welcome!!

TulipBee
March 3rd, 2010, 11:52 AM
I was mostly just joking, and I doubt that you are a leftist. A leftist is a person who supports far left political ideology, ie. Socialism.
Oh, Now whats a rightist? Socialism seems somewhat originated from Christianity, I think. I keep bumping into "Christian Socialism"

A 5 points Calvinist is a determinist when it comes to salvation.
Oh, I have no choice on Calvinism. I like reality. It does contain extremely "positive thoughts" used by most modern people and seems to fit most religion where God is the boss. Least I have something unseen that boosts my confidence, gratefully observing God to do the work for me.

Feel free to start a thread about TULIP on the Christian Theology forum and I'll enjoy ripping your heresy to threads!
OK. The Qi is extending from the tips of my sword. Let the double-edge sword flow effortlessly. I don't use shields, Don't need them.

MaryContrary
March 3rd, 2010, 12:18 PM
I like this one. Can we keep him?

bybee
March 3rd, 2010, 12:21 PM
I guess. Please don't make me cry. Wait, let me get my shield and sword. OK I'm in ready stance.

Since I am a mom, grand-mom and great-grand-mom I am a sucker for "Don't make me cry"! Of course, if you step on my bunion, that's another story! You sound like fun! peace, bybee

nicholsmom
March 3rd, 2010, 02:55 PM
I'm new here. I wonder how I fit in TOL. I posted a few and may be breaking the rules already. I'm looking for a forum that always allow strong debates with harsh words and I hope this will be that forum. I usually try name calling large groups as a group and may sound narrowed to an individual. I'm having the same problems Johnathon Edwards were having in his town. I do stalk Arminians and will work with any forum administrators on my behavior at all times. I like honesty.

What a bloody post :chuckle:

Try the TOL Feedback & Info Center for all kinds of info including the rules of TOL. You will find there is a rule against "name calling without a cause" and that cause is moderator-defined and completely within their sovereignty to choose to give infractions or not. You are playing in their sandbox, after all. You will find lots of useful hints and tips on posting objects, reputation, avatars and the like there too.

Welcome to TOL!

To answer your question: right-wingers (what you called "rightists" are those who believe that the government is to intervene only insofar as is needed for lawful society to flourish. And no, Socialism is not Biblical - the Bible never advocated the governments owning all the businesses, nor loss of personal freedom to own property and manage it according to your own conscience. Even the early church only gave of their own free will, having no government to take it out of their pockets in order to give it to someone else. Check out the story of Ananias and Sapphira - Peter, in asking Ananias why he'd lied about the price of his land that he'd sold also asked, "While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control?" Meaning that he was not required to sell it at all, and having sold it, he was not required to give the entire proceeds to the church, so why did he lie and say that he'd given all? Giving is to be voluntary and done with willingness and joy, not forced by a government.

Again, welcome to TOL :wave:

Town Heretic
March 3rd, 2010, 02:56 PM
Thank God for your post.
Literally or by proxy?

Our Lord lead you to post your reply so I can learn of my next question.
Then what took you so long to find TOL? Weren't listening to the Lord, were you. :shocked:

I was praying for your reply.
I mostly pray for coherency when anyone gets around to posting. I find the over/under on that is challenging enough.

I was forced to answer leftist or rightist or any extreme in between or extremist beyond either R or L.
It happens. Knight only believes in limited free will. :D

I had to pick leftist even though I don't know what the heck leftist means. Maybe that wasn't "right".
I think you're catching on.

I wish there was a simpler option to join this forum.
Met LH yet? :think:

Does leftism and rightism have something to do with politics or was I supposed or required to know politics before I come on this board?
Nah. In fact, it mostly seems to get in the way where political discussion is involved. :Plain:

I dropped caesar's coin. His face seems to be on both sides of the coin and care less about the groups that printed the coin and didn't pick it back up.
I dropped Caesar's name once at a party. No one picked up on it.

I care less that you called me a Deterministic Leftist and I don't even know what it is.
Couldn't be helped.

But to learn what Knight is talking about, doesn't this mean you called me a name? Are we allow to call people names? Just checking in case I need to call you a name back.
People that substitute ham fisted, unimaginative name calling for reasoned discourse go largely ignored, mocked, or receive a POTD, depending.

Muzzletov! :cheers:

Ecumenicist
March 3rd, 2010, 03:00 PM
Are you a forum stalker? Do you follow people around on TheologyOnline calling them names in every possible thread you can find them in?

If so...

Your days at TOL are numbered.

Regardless if I agree with your theology or politics... enough is enough. TOL is a place for dialog and I will not allow you thwart that dialog via your constant harassment.

There is nothing wrong with harsh debate but when that harsh debate turns into harassment and stalking I will take action.

I just got a "go to hell faggot" negrep from Sozo. Does that count?
(Actually "considering the source" I see it as a posrep, so I'm not complaining.)

OMEGA
March 3rd, 2010, 03:55 PM
Sozo !!

Is he still here ??????????

Town Heretic
March 3rd, 2010, 05:26 PM
Sozo !!

Is he still here ??????????

...in many ways he never really left. :Plain:

Nick M
March 3rd, 2010, 10:00 PM
though I don't know what the heck leftist means.

It means you disagree with God who is right. The opposite of right is both left and wrong.

Persephone66
March 4th, 2010, 01:17 AM
I wonder if Ambassador has read this.

Doug Wright
March 4th, 2010, 01:54 AM
I hope KOBAN reads this Thread.

Doesn't he play at the Staples now? I think the Forum is a thing of the past...

TulipBee
March 4th, 2010, 05:47 AM
Since I am a mom, grand-mom and great-grand-mom I am a sucker for "Don't make me cry"! Of course, if you step on my bunion, that's another story! You sound like fun! peace, bybee
Not only I have a sword and a shield, I also see a bunion. Most opponents don't realize there's also footwork. I like to step, block and then strike. Don't give away too many weakness. Bunions are ugly and meant to be hidden.

TulipBee
March 4th, 2010, 07:44 AM
"Literally or by proxy?"

Literally and Proxy. I'm more towards eastern. The Dual concept. The western concept of being puppets while not being puppets or being robots while not being robots doesn't work for me.

"Then what took you
so long to find TOL?
Weren't listening to
the Lord, were you.
:shocked:"

MY Lord didn't have me on His calendar to be here til now.

"It happens. Knight only
believes in limited free
will. "

Only? What other wills are available? I believe in Slaved will or Bondage will as my Bible states. Does that mean Knight is more towards C than A? Yeah, you're forced to answer this. C=calvinist and A=Armininan. There ain't no in-between. You also have limited choices. Is it A or extreme A or is it C or extreme C? You must answer or you will not proceed.

"I think you're
catching on."

I changed it to rightist, even though I'm neither. What a limitation!

"Met LH
yet? "

Who? You could be LH.

"Nah. In fact, it mostly seems
to get in the way where political
discussion is involved. "

Yeah, a distraction.

Stripe
March 4th, 2010, 07:50 AM
I wonder if Ambassador has read this.

Does he make a point of finding your threads and calling you a pervert in them?

TulipBee
March 4th, 2010, 07:51 AM
"Try the TOL Feedback &
Info Center for all kinds
of info including the rules
of TOL."

Just slap me with a warning or kick me off. Too many rules for an honest Bee like me. I just proclaim the Gospel. It's my job.

TulipBee
March 4th, 2010, 07:59 AM
It means you disagree
with God who is right.
The opposite of right
is both left and wrong.

I still haven't learned the meaning of leftist and rightist. All of the above description of the two meanings are too broad. You guys talk like vague astrology. It applies to all twelve months. That's not limited will, that's Confucius of confusion

TulipBee
March 4th, 2010, 08:01 AM
"I just got a "go
to hell faggot""

Well? Are you a faggot?

bybee
March 4th, 2010, 09:06 AM
"I just got a "go
to hell faggot""

Well? Are you a faggot?

In what way is the answer to your question any of your business? bybee

bybee
March 4th, 2010, 09:13 AM
Not only I have a sword and a shield, I also see a bunion. Most opponents don't realize there's also footwork. I like to step, block and then strike. Don't give away too many weakness. Bunions are ugly and meant to be hidden.

You'll never get close enough to know what is real and what is smoke-screen. I like Muhammad Ali's motto, ..."Sting like a bee". lol, bybee

Ecumenicist
March 4th, 2010, 09:22 AM
It means you disagree
with God who is right.
The opposite of right
is both left and wrong.

I still haven't learned the meaning of leftist and rightist. All of the above description of the two meanings are too broad. You guys talk like vague astrology. It applies to all twelve months. That's not limited will, that's Confucius of confusion

Leftists put people over principle.

Rightists put principles over people.

Centrists try to balance principles and people.

I'm, "more left than right" because when forced into a choice, I value people over principles. I believe that's what Jesus was saying too, when he told people to make peace with each other and rescue lambs from ditches and take care of fallen people before adhering to laws of sacrifice, sabbath, and purity.

TulipBee
March 4th, 2010, 09:25 AM
"I just got a "go
to hell faggot""

Well? Are you a faggot?


"In what way is the answer
to your question any of
your business? bybee"

So I'll know the tricks of the devil and know ahead of time how the sodomites moves. One of Calvin's 'marks of a true church" is Church Discipline.

Any denomination which tolerates heretics, sodomites, abortionists, and sexual libertines is corrupt ...and a false church !

Ecumenicist
March 4th, 2010, 09:25 AM
"I just got a "go
to hell faggot""

Well? Are you a faggot?

There are gay people, there are black people, there are Jewish people, etc. Derogatory labels characterize the person who uses them far more than the people they try to discredit.

No, I'm not gay, but it wouldn't matter if I was.

Ecumenicist
March 4th, 2010, 09:27 AM
"I just got a "go
to hell faggot""

Well? Are you a faggot?


"In what way is the answer
to your question any of
your business? bybee"

So I'll know the tricks of the devil and know ahead of time how the sodomites moves. One of Calvin's 'marks of a true church" is Church Discipline.

Any denomination which tolerates heretics, sodomites, abortionists, and sexual libertines is corrupt ...and a false church !

Yup, you need to move your indicator to the far far right.

TulipBee
March 4th, 2010, 09:33 AM
"I like Muhammad Ali's
motto, ..."Sting like
a bee"

Actually, that stinger is a double edged sword shoved up my rear end.
I'm TulipBee !
I'm a little bee that hops from flower to flower. pollinating. When I run into the DaisyBees, we find it difficult to pollinate the flowers. The stinger attached to my body is sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. My honey is Industrial-Strength Gospel Calvinism, Calvin's Calvinism, Covenant Theology, Systematic Theology, Redemptive Historical Hermeneutics, Vicarious-Forensic-Imputative-Subsitutionary-Picacular Redemption, Divine Authorship of the Entire Scriptures, Predestinate salvation and peterit reprobation, confessionalism, and Theonomy.
Calvinist dogmatics, systematics, apologetics, hermeneutics,and exegetics. Standing against mysticism, Romanism, Liberalism, Arminianism, Post-Modernism, and every cult ! Teaching the Doctrines of Grace, the Sovereignty of God, and the Inerrancy of Scripture. Belgic (Continental) Reformed, Presbyterian, Reformed Baptist. Confessional, creedal Christianity ...NOT an "option" but a subscription !

It's a plane!
It's a bird!
NO!
It's TulipBee!

Adoration
March 4th, 2010, 09:39 AM
Leftists put people over principle.

Rightists put principles over people.

Centrists try to balance principles and people.
.

That's the most backwards and annoying opinion I've seen in a long time.

It's not rightist who passed the DDT ban that had led to the deaths of nearly 9 million people form malaria.

It is not rightist who prevent the development of US energy resources that could create millions of jobs and erase our debt.

It's not rightist who butchered 100 million people during the 20th century in their efforts to create a utopian world.


You are historically ignorant and politically brainwashed.

TulipBee
March 4th, 2010, 09:50 AM
"Rightists put principles
over people."

"Yup, you need to move
your indicator to the far
far right."

We ain't helping 'em because -deep down inside- they're actually "good people".

We are helping them because they're our neighbor, and our Lord commands us to aid neighbors in distress.

Which doesn't change the fact that they're sodomites, enemies of God, and condemned to eternal perdition unless they repent !

Hence we do NOT pretend they're ok when we're face-to-face with 'em ...even in neighbor- mode.

It would be the height of hypocrisy to call them "queers" only when they aren't around.

Moreover, it works against them for us to act like we think their perversion is acceptable in face-to-face encounters.

Law and Gospel apply here !

It's futile to proclaim the Gospel of Grace to people who suppose they aren't sinners.

In neighbor-mode, we're aiding them despite their being sodomites. Part of that neighbor aid ISN'T 'helping them out' by acting like they aren't egregious public sinners in overt rebellion against their Creator.

That ain't the kind of neighbor love Jesus was talking about ! Nor did Jesus hesitate for a single moment in calling people on their sins.

You can love your neighbor and denounce their sin.

Town Heretic
March 4th, 2010, 09:55 AM
...I believe in Slaved will or Bondage will as my Bible states. Does that mean Knight is more towards C than A?
No, it was only a subtle joke...a means I have of making certain distinctions early--a way to gauge the sort of responses that will or won't find a mark later on and further in. Knight is no sort of Calvinist.

I changed it to rightist, even though I'm neither. What a limitation!
I never tell a man his own mind...at least while I have no reason to suspect he's out of it. :think:

Who? You could be LH.
Not without a significant head injury.

Just slap me with a warning or kick me off. Too many rules for an honest Bee like me.
Honesty doesn't play into honoring the house you're a guest in. And, anyway, a Klansman can be honest enough without being admirable or right for it.

I just proclaim the Gospel. It's my job.
And I'm just a country lawyer...want a cracker?

Well? Are you a faggot?
Is this a taste of that honesty? It's an insolent, uncivil sort practice that carries a hostile edge with it to no good purpose. Why not ask him if he's a Kike while you're at it?

:rolleyes:

Mr. Beeks
March 4th, 2010, 10:05 AM
"I just got a "go
to hell faggot""

Well? Are you a faggot?


"In what way is the answer
to your question any of
your business? bybee"

So I'll know the tricks of the devil and know ahead of time how the sodomites moves. One of Calvin's 'marks of a true church" is Church Discipline.

Any denomination which tolerates heretics, sodomites, abortionists, and sexual libertines is corrupt ...and a false church !Question answered. You're a 'righty'.

Ecumenicist
March 4th, 2010, 10:19 AM
That's the most backwards and annoying opinion I've seen in a long time.


Glad I got your attention!



It's not rightist who passed the DDT ban that had led to the deaths of nearly 9 million people form malaria.


Oh yeah, leftists care about the environment too. Who cares about bald eagles anyway?



It is not rightist who prevent the development of US energy resources that could create millions of jobs and erase our debt.


Yeah, it is. By focusing on oil oil oil, resources are not directed to alternatives.

BTW, have you seen this:

http://www.bloomenergy.com/products/solid-oxide-fuel-cell/

Possible oil alternative disruptive energy source anounced last week, pretty cool whether you ar right or left.



It's not rightist who butchered 100 million people during the 20th century in their efforts to create a utopian world.


Fanatical extremes in either direction result in abuse and deaths.



You are historically ignorant and politically brainwashed.

And dinosaurs walked with men, there's no such thing as global climate change, there never was a global financial crisis, and bald eagles just decided to die off, it had nothing to do with DDT. I know the song.

Tico
March 4th, 2010, 10:26 AM
Leftists put people over principle.

Rightists put principles over people.

Centrists try to balance principles and people.

I'm, "more left than right" because when forced into a choice, I value people over principles. I believe that's what Jesus was saying too, when he told people to make peace with each other and rescue lambs from ditches and take care of fallen people before adhering to laws of sacrifice, sabbath, and purity.

Yeah, I can see that. Stalin clearly set aside his principles when he decided not to kill 20,000,000 of his own citizens in order to value them more than his leftist principles. I almost forgot about the socialist, Hitler, who valued the lives of millions of Jews over his principles. Then there is that other loving group--the leftist, pro-aborts. They adopted 50,000,000 babies since 1973 in order to provide them with wonderful, loving homes. Itīs a good thing they set aside their principles to save all those babies.

Great research. I think youīre on to something!

Ecumenicist
March 4th, 2010, 10:47 AM
Yeah, I can see that. Stalin clearly set aside his principles when he decided not to kill 20,000,000 of his own citizens in order to value them more than his leftist principles. I almost forgot about the socialist, Hitler, who valued the lives of millions of Jews over his principles. Then there is that other loving group--the leftist, pro-aborts. They adopted 50,000,000 babies since 1973 in order to provide them with wonderful, loving homes. Itīs a good thing they set aside their principles to save all those babies.

Great research. I think you're on to something!

Rewrite history all you want. Both were extreme psychotics.

Calling Hitler a "lefty" doesn't take away his fascist philosophy - the struggle for the "master race" to take its rightful place of dominance in the world. Nice conservative industrialists like Henry Ford were staunch anti-semites too. Make the world safe for straight white men and beauty pageant divas. Sound familiar? Tea anyone?

Ah, abortion. All those babies weren't adopted only by right wingers.

The extremes want you to think its either women or babies. Women and their babies matter. Adoption is good!

Tico
March 4th, 2010, 10:54 AM
Rewrite history all you want. Both were extreme psychotics.

Calling Hitler a "lefty" doesn't take away his fascist philosophy - the struggle for the "master race" to take its rightful place of dominance in the world. Nice conservative industrialists like Henry Ford were staunch anti-semites too. Make the world safe for straight white men and beauty pageant divas. Sound familiar? Tea anyone?

Ah, abortion. All those babies weren't adopted only by right wingers.

The extremes want you to think its either women or babies. Women and their babies matter. Adoption is good!

I didnīt call these groups leftists. Iīm just repeating what they call themselves: communists, socialists and liberals. They love their principles more than people. Millions are dead because of their principles.

Nick M
March 4th, 2010, 11:31 AM
15381

Town Heretic
March 4th, 2010, 11:46 AM
Leftists put people over principle.
There's a little problem with that...(hint: it's funny when you think on it).

:think: :D

The methodology by which suffering is addressed differs greatly between the left and right, with the right showing an immediate willingness for some to suffer in their belief that the eventual outcome is a lessening or eradication of the root of that suffering. The argument from the left must address the horizon question, the end game, or their approach will be seen by legitimately compassionate conservatives as being too narrowly focused policy that does more damage over time than the regrettable but necessary suffering that would be the consequence of conservative policy in the shorter term.

Doug Wright
March 4th, 2010, 12:08 PM
15381

:chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

Ecumenicist
March 4th, 2010, 12:33 PM
There's a little problem with that...(hint: it's funny when you think on it).

:think: :D

The methodology by which suffering is addressed differs greatly between the left and right, with the right showing an immediate willingness for some to suffer in their belief that the eventual outcome is a lessening or eradication of the root of that suffering. The argument from the left must address the horizon question, the end game, or their approach will be seen by legitimately compassionate conservatives as being too narrowly focused policy that does more damage over time than the regrettable but necessary suffering that would be the consequence of conservative policy in the shorter term.

Valid points, the old "end justifies the means" question.

A matter of triage, I would say. Stop the bleeding, mitigate the pain as much as possible, and then go after the root cause.

I would see it more as a "self" vs "other" argument. To your point, conservatives tend to be harsh on "self," and don't care about the suffering of the "other" (for example enemy combatant torture or deportation of illegal aliens,) all towards the goal of long term comfort and stability, and even dominance for the "self".

On the other hand liberals tend to care more about the "other" than the "self." In the extreme, you end up with Jane Fonda in North Vietnam caring about the "other," and forgetting that the "self" (US viet nam vets) need compassion too. The goal for the liberal point of view is equal justice for all, "self" and "other." Many see this "equal justice" as socialism that keeps individuals from excelling.

The ideal, I think, is equal opportunity, without constraining creativity or productivity. That's why I'm a "left centrist." I would guess a right centrest would say something like freedom for creativity and productivity, ideally without limiting opportunity. We want the same thing, but hold different priorities.

That's the brilliance of our representative government. When the "have's" start dominating, the majority "have nots" vote for equalizing justice (like healthcare reform). This creates more opportunity for the "have nots" to succeed. When the majority becomes "haves" who want more, they vote for deregulation and more freedom.

As long as neither one group nor the other gets violent, the system will work, sliding back and forth along the middle. If the system gets too polarized however, (like it is today) and people start resorting to extreme measures, chaos will ensue.

CabinetMaker
March 4th, 2010, 12:44 PM
"Literally or by proxy?"

Literally and Proxy. I'm more towards eastern. The Dual concept. The western concept of being puppets while not being puppets or being robots while not being robots doesn't work for me.

"Then what took you
so long to find TOL?
Weren't listening to
the Lord, were you.
:shocked:"

MY Lord didn't have me on His calendar to be here til now.

"It happens. Knight only
believes in limited free
will. "

Only? What other wills are available? I believe in Slaved will or Bondage will as my Bible states. Does that mean Knight is more towards C than A? Yeah, you're forced to answer this. C=calvinist and A=Armininan. There ain't no in-between. You also have limited choices. Is it A or extreme A or is it C or extreme C? You must answer or you will not proceed.

"I think you're
catching on."

I changed it to rightist, even though I'm neither. What a limitation!

"Met LH
yet? "

Who? You could be LH.

"Nah. In fact, it mostly seems
to get in the way where political
discussion is involved. "

Yeah, a distraction.Are you KJV only as well?

nicholsmom
March 4th, 2010, 12:54 PM
"Try the TOL Feedback &
Info Center for all kinds
of info including the rules
of TOL."

Just slap me with a warning or kick me off. Too many rules for an honest Bee like me. I just proclaim the Gospel. It's my job.

Maybe just a pointer then: do you see the tiny buttons at the bottom right of each post? One of them is for posting a reply with that post quoted within - very cool feature which helps in formatting your response without need of all those colors. To split up a long post to which you wish to reply in segments, just put in the end quote tag ([/quote]) and then stick the quote tag back in where you want to continue quoting the post to which you are responding. You are also perfectly free to cut out chunks of the quoted post, but please don't alter the original content - it's a distraction to the main argument and only angers the quoted person without benefit.

Another handy feature is right next to the quote button - the multi-quote button. You just click that icon on the posts to which you wish to respond and then on the last post (after having clicked the multi-quote button) click the quote button and, voila! You have all the pertinent posts quoted within your response.

The quotes thus included also have the handy feature of linking the reader to the original post that is quoted - very cool (all praise to Knight for this :up:).

One other feature that makes the quoting really handy, is the mode feature. You can see it at the top of each page of a thread, also on the right. If you click on that you can switch from linear mode to either hybrid mode or threaded mode. Give it a try and see what you think. A very handy tool, but only if people are careful to quote the post to which they are responding.

Good luck with the try-and-see method of staying within the rules :eek:

bybee
March 4th, 2010, 12:56 PM
"I like Muhammad Ali's
motto, ..."Sting like
a bee"

Actually, that stinger is a double edged sword shoved up my rear end.
I'm TulipBee !
I'm a little bee that hops from flower to flower. pollinating. When I run into the DaisyBees, we find it difficult to pollinate the flowers. The stinger attached to my body is sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. My honey is Industrial-Strength Gospel Calvinism, Calvin's Calvinism, Covenant Theology, Systematic Theology, Redemptive Historical Hermeneutics, Vicarious-Forensic-Imputative-Subsitutionary-Picacular Redemption, Divine Authorship of the Entire Scriptures, Predestinate salvation and peterit reprobation, confessionalism, and Theonomy.
Calvinist dogmatics, systematics, apologetics, hermeneutics,and exegetics. Standing against mysticism, Romanism, Liberalism, Arminianism, Post-Modernism, and every cult ! Teaching the Doctrines of Grace, the Sovereignty of God, and the Inerrancy of Scripture. Belgic (Continental) Reformed, Presbyterian, Reformed Baptist. Confessional, creedal Christianity ...NOT an "option" but a subscription !

It's a plane!
It's a bird!
NO!
It's TulipBee!

It's a robot! Full of sound and fury signifying nothing because God already did it! Calvin or Kelvin = absolute zero. bybee

Krsto
March 4th, 2010, 04:39 PM
"I like Muhammad Ali's
motto, ..."Sting like
a bee"

Actually, that stinger is a double edged sword shoved up my rear end.
I'm TulipBee !
I'm a little bee that hops from flower to flower. pollinating. When I run into the DaisyBees, we find it difficult to pollinate the flowers. The stinger attached to my body is sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. My honey is Industrial-Strength Gospel Calvinism, Calvin's Calvinism, Covenant Theology, Systematic Theology, Redemptive Historical Hermeneutics, Vicarious-Forensic-Imputative-Subsitutionary-Picacular Redemption, Divine Authorship of the Entire Scriptures, Predestinate salvation and peterit reprobation, confessionalism, and Theonomy.
Calvinist dogmatics, systematics, apologetics, hermeneutics,and exegetics. Standing against mysticism, Romanism, Liberalism, Arminianism, Post-Modernism, and every cult ! Teaching the Doctrines of Grace, the Sovereignty of God, and the Inerrancy of Scripture. Belgic (Continental) Reformed, Presbyterian, Reformed Baptist. Confessional, creedal Christianity ...NOT an "option" but a subscription !

It's a plane!
It's a bird!
NO!
It's TulipBee!

Wow - lots of isms here - how do you keep them all straight?

Persephone66
March 6th, 2010, 01:03 AM
Does he make a point of finding your threads and calling you a pervert in them?

No, you and Nick M do that.

Ambassador goes to threads I have posted in, makes loony accusations, absurd claims and can't back any of it up when confronted. Generally what he says has nothing to do with the subject matter at hand. Here's the most recent example. (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2264674&postcount=43) He's got issues, and some hang up about me wearing skirts.

TulipBee
March 6th, 2010, 08:12 AM
Are you KJV only as well?
I have read negative reviews on KJV only subject. It's nice to compare all the different translations at once to determined the closest translation of the Scriptures. KJV seems popular, at least helps us locate scriptures by the use of subject, books, chapters, numbers, and other things. If they want to treat KJV translation's the same way many treat the Jehovah Witness's, New World Translation Bible, let them speak.

TulipBee
March 6th, 2010, 08:22 AM
"it's a distraction to the main
argument and only angers
the quoted person without
benefit."

Let me know if I've broken the quoting rules. Some viewers are in extreme jealousy and report my posts effortlessly and carelessly and I, sometimes, appear I'm directing my posts to a particular person. I use colored posts to discuss the post in general without including the links to the posters.

TulipBee
March 6th, 2010, 08:32 AM
"Another handy feature is
right next to the quote
button - the multi-quote
button."

The multi- quote doesn't work on my imac G5 PowerPC. I don't know why



"Wow - lots of isms here -
how do you keep them
all straight?"

TULIPBEEISM of course !

Mr. Beeks
March 6th, 2010, 12:05 PM
"it's a distraction to the main
argument and only angers
the quoted person without
benefit."

Let me know if I've broken the quoting rules. Some viewers are in extreme jealousy and report my posts effortlessly and carelessly and I, sometimes, appear I'm directing my posts to a particular person. I use colored posts to discuss the post in general without including the links to the posters.

The links to the quoted posts are a courtesy to others, in my opinion. It's too easy for people to "quote" others while leaving out or slightly changing portions of the original "quoted" post... in order to win the argument. It also allows people to easily follow a discussion or argument back to it's root.

Also - if somebody isn't quoted by name, they may never know that they've been addressed or responded to. I don't wade through threads and try to figure out who's talking to me if they won't do the courtesy of using the quote feature to make it clear.

Sonrise
March 6th, 2010, 12:33 PM
gonna test the water to see if my toe gets stung...

I call myself an extremist believer. I also have more respect for those of Islam, who die for what they believe....rather than those who adhere to the Koran, and muddy their muddy waters further....

Do not like weak, watered down faith of any kind....

is my toe safe?

chrysostom
March 6th, 2010, 12:35 PM
hey

if I am stalking, will you just let me know?

Knight
March 6th, 2010, 02:43 PM
hey

if I am stalking, will you just let me know?Prolly not.

Adam
March 6th, 2010, 03:21 PM
hey

if I am stalking, will you just let me know?If you have to ask...

Sherman
November 27th, 2010, 09:52 PM
Dumb post edited off. :hammer: Newbie mistake. Ignore.