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freelight
January 17th, 2010, 05:56 PM
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Note: The message of Oneness in this address still holds as universally true for all space and time (no matter the year), although modifications of change and evolution will be experienced in the space-time manifold as the Eternal expresses itself thru all potentials and possibilities.

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Greetings all,

Sharing a New Year message from Gerald O'Donnell from the Academy of Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing (ARVARI). Its an important survey of where we are at in this stage of consciousness for our planet and the greater quantum field of reality. Its all about returning to Oneness, the Reality that all Life and Consciousness is One, and in such integration of Love and Light is the only way we will enter the New Creation or Messianic Kingdom of real peace on our planet. He touches on the Heavenly Jerusalem and the earthly Jerusalem, the latter being the point where the heavens and earth 'meet'.

I'm not a student per se of Remote Viewing and only aware of some basics about it, however the spiritual insights and metaphysical truths shared by the Academy confirm the fundamental principles of 'religion'', 'science', 'philosophy' and 'metaphysics',...based in the underlying and all-pervading Unity of Life and Consciousness in the Universe,...and how that we have our part to play as extensions of the Infinite One (God) in the continuum of space/time. The whole article is worth reading, - one may also expand upon the teachings in the 'Arvari Articles' section, in chronological order. This resource will be of interest to those curious about Remote Viewing as well,...but this is shared primarily for the significance of its essential teaching based on the infra-structure of consciousness itself.


Happy New Year 2010: One (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm)


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pj

~Agnostic~
January 18th, 2010, 05:01 AM
what is remote viewing?

themuzicman
January 18th, 2010, 06:24 AM
Where is the fruitcake smilie?

rexlunae
January 18th, 2010, 12:28 PM
what is remote viewing?

It's the nonsense belief in having a supernatural ability to see thing that you shouldn't be able to. For instance, being able to reproduce a picture that you can't see.

freelight
January 18th, 2010, 02:32 PM
what is remote viewing?


Remember,...the main purpose is to share the New Year Message for 2010, (thats what the link is provided for) - I encourage all to read it, with a mind and heart open to intuit the Spirit's will for a 'return to Oneness'...which is that reality at the Heart of all creation.

To the question above,....if you opened the article there is a list of links on the left that you could access to learn more about Remote Viewing (RV), this is after all an Academy devoted to the practice.

You can begin on the Home (http://probablefuture.com/) page.


Excerpt:

Remote Viewing (RV) refers to scientifically proven mind technologies that break the space-time barrier. Remote Viewing is the ability to perceive, through a projection of heightened consciousness, people and events, distant in time-space. This Mind Technology was developed since the 1950's by both US, Western, and Eastern European Intelligence Agencies. They achieved some great successes, some still classified.

These same Remote Viewing methods have been adapted for kinder and more practical civilian use, and are now presented for the greater benefit of each one of you, as part of humankind. Our Remote Viewing Training System teaches you to perceive anything located anyplace in space and time using potent techniques that go well beyond current Western and Eastern intelligence agencies’ espionage methods.

Remote Influencing (RI) is an original term first introduced by our Academy in 1997 and refers to our very advanced technology, transcending most other known methods, by which one can powerfully influence thoughts and consensual reality (manifest reality) by mind-power and inner High vibratory energy alone.


They also offer a free book on RI. - do your own research. Enlighten yourself. As I shared,...I'm not a student of remote viewing.... but the New Year Message of Gerald is pertinent and important for all persons interested in the state of the world and our power to make positive changes for the future. It comes back to discovering the common ground of our existence and the power of consciousness which determines our present and future realties. This includes all of us, since we are all part of the Universal Whole.



pj

freelight
January 20th, 2010, 12:08 AM
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The New Year message retains its centrality here, yet we have more from another remote viewing association, Psi-Tech, (TRV) Technical Remote Viewing... on 'God, Religion and Life/The end game'. From this psi-field we continue confirming the knowledge from the collective matrix of consciousness - Here is an excerpt from an interview with one of Psi-Tech's president -


God amongst Us

Snow: Based on TRV data, does God exist?

PSI TECH: In my opinion, we have unmistakably confirmed that there is a higher intelligence and order to the universe.

Snow: So how much of the Christian Bible is real?

PSI TECH: Some of it appears to be real events and some of it appears to be story that people created over time. According to our research, the bible is story mixed with factual events.

Snow: So is it a vital religious document for us to read? Is it important that we read it, for our spiritual development?

PSI TECH: I don’t know if reading the bible is important or essential to spiritual growth. It certainly has created a deep and wide path in the Matrix, but I’m not so sure that it has lead all people to goodness and God.

Snow: I understand you did a target of the week for your students to find out if God was the original author of the Christian Bible. Do you remember the session data?

PSI TECH: Yes. We surmised that parts of the Bible were inspired by God, and other parts weren’t. The data just confirmed what we had already discovered in our previous in-house project.

More great questions about Jesus Christ, and our own purpose of life continued Here (http://www.trvnews.com/tmn/091405/godreligionlife.html). Remember, my focus is primarily the consistent methods of applied knowledge where spiritual realities and laws of consciousness are verified and confirmed in their dynamic applications in various dimensions of existence.

How remote viewing works (http://www.remoteviewing.com/how-remote-viewing-works/) - if this is a consistent science or art of retrieving information, it can be applied on all levels of life. What is shows as relating to psychic ability includes the discovery that all Life is really One, all things and beings are inter-connected within a universal Matrix of Mind or Energy, which intrinsically stores all memories of 'experience', in a collective library (aka 'akashic records'). We can liken the Mind of 'God' like a living library of spiritual knowledge containing all information, in time and eternity, actual and potential. This opens for us an exciting future of possibilities which are ever open to be reconfigured within the liberties of 'free choice' at every given moment. At this very moment,....the future is in our hands.



pj

freelight
March 28th, 2010, 02:33 PM
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Continuing hilights on the message for this year, on the energy-portals around our planet and the significance of Jerusalem as the City of One, the main portal of Light joining the heaven-worlds above with this space/time dimension, anchoring the Christ-light.....

Quote:




"On this plane of space/time construct, many portals are used for transitions by many of the upper or lower beings to go from one space/time and/or consciousness construct to another one.

Nevertheless, upon the facets of this Earth and many parallel ones operating within different frequency vibratory ranges within the One Mind, there is but One single portal which is built upon the foundation stone, or fundamental vibratory frequency, which allows for all other vibrations of mind or matter to exist. And that portal connects each and every single Creation of the One, up to the totally un-manifest regions of the One Source. It is a pure singularity point outside of the equation of polarity, and at the same time encompassing all of it, for it connects all polarities of the One Mind.

This portal is One, and, as The One common singularity point, unites all Creations and every created thing.

This is the Only One portal connecting All Creation. Other gateways are only connecting certain regions to others and are not universal passageways.

This is the portal to the Hidden Light of the One, the Light of the upper Zion (the One), which is hidden, unseen, and un-comprehended, for now, by all creatures.

This portal has both a single inner location within each of us, and, following the holographic principle of life, has also a single outer Holographic material reality within each space/time construct (Creation).

This portal was made manifest by King David 3000 years ago in this very Creation and is located exactly, in our outer perception of space and time, where the Dome of the Rock lies in the ancient city of Jerusalem: the future city of One."

-Gerald O' Donnell




* Much more in the original article (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm)

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The Jerusalem above is our Mother, for our spiritual birth takes place 'from above'. Hence in the restoration I see the harmony of the higher realms pouring down and increasing their 'frequency' as the Tabernacle of David is restored. Such can only be envisioned as a new Golden Age, like the days of unity when all gathered as one to worship in music, song and liturgy, the Shekinah of the Lord filling the temple. All those of the davidic heart long for these days, the Day of the Lord.

The Key of David opens the door to the Presence. 'Worship' is the engagement of spiritual values and revelation of the soul's true purpose and relationship to God on inner levels and outer expression. The Spirit reveals the true worth of the soul (worth-ship) and in that divine appreciation Love's potency opens to fulfill itself.



pj

OMEGA
March 28th, 2010, 03:08 PM
Remote Viewing Predicted the Fall of the Stock Market in September 2007.

PlastikBuddha
March 28th, 2010, 04:29 PM
eQUifpVRwbc
:cool::juggle::cool:

freelight
March 29th, 2010, 02:23 PM
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:)

Remember,...the message is for our current time, on the return to our primal Source, the ground of everything, the Father of all spirits, the OverSoul of creation.

It is only from our dualistic perception, that we need to "return" per se, although one cannot in truth return to the One Reality that is always present. However,..in our space/time relativity....we employ language to convey that which we intend, recalling our attention to the Omnipresent One, at the Heart of all.




pj

mighty_duck
March 29th, 2010, 03:55 PM
eQUifpVRwbc
:cool::juggle::cool:
Dang it, PB!

Now you owe me some Excedrin.

freelight
May 9th, 2010, 02:27 PM
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From the original Year 2010 message (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm), the importance of Jerusalem, both the earthly and heavenly abode maintain their significance in the evolution and transformation of our world, as the convergence point of our own ascension in the Light.

The Jerusalem above is our spiritual mother, and the Jerusalem-point on earth is the convergence-spot so to speak of where heaven and earth meets.


Gerald continues:

Understand that following the Holographic principle ruling Creation upon which all of our world is built, there is a dot, or a singularity portal, within each and every one of us which corresponds to the city of Jerusalem aka Zion, which connects each and every one of you, citizens of the Earth, to the Upper Jerusalem or the Energy of Source: Zion, the One.

Of course that energy is, on our plane, much dimmed for now, as your biology must be changed and evolved in order to be able to take much higher quanta of that Divine energy and operate within it.

Your DNA has hidden structures that can be awakened to affect that very change in biology and live perceptually almost forever.

As you rise up from levels to levels of Creation, there will be a time when you will, if you succeed and partake of this consciousness distilling process, become part of the Creations of the upper Zion: the domain of the Eternal Beings- the Elohim: the Godliness.

All of this has been programmed and prepared since the beginning of time as a gift to any and all of you.

I have been hinting at this for over a decade now.

Kindly pray and wish for the eternal Peace of Jerusalem: portal to Zion.

Pray for the inner Peace of God originating from your inner Jerusalem: the hidden dot (yod) connection that you all have, and its correlated physical outer manifestation as the Old City of One.

Pray for the outer and inner Presence in both of the Holy Light and Loving Presence of the One creator of all Beings; a Presence that will then spread throughout all of Creation.

Make this wish a permanent wish within your heart.

Visit the city in thought and in embodiment to entrain yourself with its energy and its Divine connection as it will awaken your inner point of singularity and your untouched Divinity.

Do not let this Holy city fall into the hands of the dividers.

Pray for the unification of all mankind within itself and with its Creator. Pray for the unification and simplification of all religious systems into one single realization of One, based on the Love of One and Oneness.

Pray for a world of One, gifted by the One, and filled with His Eternal Presence for Eternity, a Presence that will transpire through every single cell and parts of your being, a connection that you will have within in terms of guidance, protection, and information

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Hence we see the motive of praying for Jerusalem, which is the yearning of the Heart of all hearts to lead all souls Home. Jerusalem is the kingdom of peace and wholeness, the true abode of holiness for all peoples. Hence our meditation and prayer-focus is abiding in the Unity of Spirit, the harmony of One, to the glory of Messiah, the restoration of one body.


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pj

freelight
December 22nd, 2010, 02:52 PM
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Drawing near the close of this year, we reflect again on the theme of Oneness, the converging of heaven and earth in holy harmony of which the New Jerusalem represents coming down into human consciousness. Regarding the faith-traditions of the world -


And as all these belief systems rejoin their very core source belief and message in one Creator, One unnamed energy that supports all, and encompasses all names - all powerful, all knowing, even if it is hiding from us for now - we will all reunite as One and call upon Its Unity, as the One Source, Creator of all and every thing.

Main article (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm) (reading recommended for dialogue here)

What will the New Year Bring? Will peace in Palestine, between Jews and Muslims mark a transformation of consciousness and the beginning of the New Era of peace on planet earth? What is our part to play in bringing in the Golden Age of peace and enlightenment?


pj

Damian
December 22nd, 2010, 04:27 PM
It's the nonsense belief in having a supernatural ability to see thing that you shouldn't be able to. For instance, being able to reproduce a picture that you can't see.

Why is it nonsense?

freelight
December 22nd, 2010, 11:18 PM
Why is it nonsense?

Hes replying to the concept of 'remote viewing', ability to see or discover something thru 'psychic' means (definition shared previously and resource site). Also the essential point of this thread is for those interested in actually reading the original article, plus other pertinent articles by the author. The article is spot-on, time-definitive and universal in its core-message upon the theme of Unity. That few if any bothered to read such and therefore contribute anything of substance shows much of the general mentality across the board here. As it goes,...'spiritual things are spiritually discerned', and those who see relevant correlations are welcome to share.



pj

zippy2006
December 22nd, 2010, 11:22 PM
9 days until the one-ness dissolves :noid:

...apparently you didn't foresee this part eh free? :mmph:

freelight
December 23rd, 2010, 12:09 AM
9 days until the one-ness dissolves :noid:

...apparently you didn't foresee this part eh free? :mmph:

Well, how thoughtful of you to provide an example of what my last post explained. (those who haven't read the original article therefore having nothing of substance to offer relative to it). - and the irony of attempted humor doesnt patch the former issue over any.

The theme of 2010 being a 'return to Oneness' doesnt mean that only in that year, Oneness is possible....for in reality there is already Oneness at the heart of All,...for 'God' is One and therefore Truth is One. Its a matter of us awakening to the Oneness of Life. Pretty basic stuff zippy. So, as per basic net etiquette...if you'd like to contribute to the thread, invest in educating yourself on the subject and article involved to ensure an informative and perhaps fruitful dialogue.




pj

Zeke
December 23rd, 2010, 03:35 AM
9 days until the one-ness dissolves :noid:

...apparently you didn't foresee this part eh free? :mmph:

Beatrice
December 23rd, 2010, 03:54 AM
It's the nonsense belief in having a supernatural ability to see thing that you shouldn't be able to. For instance, being able to reproduce a picture that you can't see.

It's not supernatural. Yogis can step outside their material bodies.

horiturk
December 23rd, 2010, 03:57 AM
you're forgetting that people without an understanding of eastern concepts like to ridicule them instead

freelight
December 23rd, 2010, 02:29 PM
you're forgetting that people without an understanding of eastern concepts like to ridicule them instead

:) - the threads purpose, original article on the subject and its intent for 'exploratory dialogue' stands, as is the point of all my threads. Asking for at least a cursory reading, educational survey of the subject at hand is not asking for much, being 'respectful' to the content and purpose of the thread. Nothing wrong with a little humor from time to time, but there's also the import of the seriousness of the subject at hand. Also I find the author's articles and spiritual perception on an individual and universal scale quite pertinent, as well as showing that 'remote viewing' ties into the general psychic and spiritual dimension of existence and the times we live in, within the context of how our consiousness is shaping things in our world. These are fundamental issues, which by their very nature have everything to do with existence as it is, and as it is coming to be.

The City of One, within and without, heralding the Era of One (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm) (Jeru-salem, archetypal city)



pj

vegascowboy
December 23rd, 2010, 02:42 PM
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Greetings all,

Sharing a New Year message from Gerald O'Donnell from the Academy of Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing (ARVARI). Its an important survey of where we are at in this stage of consciousness for our planet and the greater quantum field of reality. Its all about returning to Oneness, the Reality that all Life and Consciousness is One, and in such integration of Love and Light is the only way that we will enter the New Creation or Messianic Kingdom of real peace on our planet. He touches on the Heavenly Jerusalem and the earthly Jerusalem, the latter being the point where the heavens and earth 'meet' to reveal the glory of God, the 'city of peace' known as center of the earth.

I'm not a student per se of Remote Viewing and only aware of some basics about it, however the spiritual insights and metaphysical truths shared by the Academy confirm the fundamental principles of 'religion'', 'science', 'philosophy' and 'metaphysics',...based in the underlying and all-pervading Unity of Life and Consciousness in the Universe,...and how that we have our part to play as extensions of the Infinite One (God) in the continuum of space/time. The whole article is worth reading, - one may also expand upon the teachings in the 'Arvari Articles' section, in chronological order. This resource will be of interest to those curious about Remote Viewing as well,...but this is shared primarily for the significance of its essential teaching based in the infra-structure of consciousness itself.


Happy New Year 2010: One (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm)


15265



pj

fl...may your year be filled with light, knowledge, and warmth. The Abyss is open and welcomes your exploration.

freelight
December 23rd, 2010, 03:17 PM
fl...may your year be filled with light, knowledge, and warmth. The Abyss is open and welcomes your exploration.

Thank you vc :)

Since 'God' (Reality, Light, Love, Life, Being, Existence, Infinity) is One, there is one divine creation and context of experience. All space and time arises, converges and synthesizes within the One.

Back to Oneness (http://www.probablefuture.com/Back_to_Oneness.htm)



pj

horiturk
December 23rd, 2010, 06:19 PM
vc is a true gentleman

Quincy
December 23rd, 2010, 10:16 PM
I've experienced this a time or two. It's rather random for me and it's never this cool stuff you read about people claiming. I also didn't actually "see" things. My best friend hadn't contacted me for a few days and I was starting to worry.

While thinking about it I had a sort of daydream that he was spring cleaning, which I thought was weird and then I, for some reason, got the idea he had forgotten some socks under his bed. Not to mention I picked up on some terrible cheese odor that was permeating the room. I was afraid to ask my gf at the time if she smelled it too lol.

So I got a hold of him finally and found out I was right about him cleaning, that was a first for him. The socks were also there as well. The cool thing was he is so used to my quirks he just said "wow, thanks man." Weird stuff, I've had some other less cool things happen like that and it always involves someone I love. It always weirds people out.

Some people have crazy prophetic dreams about end times or lottery numbers. I see dirty socks. Existence has a sense of humor, but I do agree it's all connected and the "mind" is not necessarily limited by the body. Everything is connected.

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 08:03 AM
One possibility of all this could be the same goal spoke of in Genesis 11:1-9. Which speaks of man being one. Babylon the birth place of secret mysteries of inlightenment presented as a way of light, To illuminate mans path to inlightement. This old way is now being brought out of the dark that was cloaked in secret societies, with various symbols, and rituals which speak to the brotherhood. Who are guiding the scattered pieces of humanity back toward their original foundation to rebuild what God tore down, the mystery babylon foretold and warned about. Its goal a one world religion that will denign the biblical model of salvation, the one thing that stands in its way.

logical as a one world may seem to well intentioned people, they also could be takin advantage of through their own benevolence, ignorant of the hidden purpose they have been slowley led to imbrace.

Katie
December 24th, 2010, 02:40 PM
One possibility of all this could be the same goal spoke of in Genesis 11:1-9. Which speaks of man being one. Babylon the birth place of secret mysteries of inlightenment presented as a way of light, To illuminate mans path to inlightement. This old way is now being brought out of the dark that was cloaked in secret societies, with various symbols, and rituals which speak to the brotherhood. Who are guiding the scattered pieces of humanity back toward their original foundation to rebuild what God tore down, the mystery babylon foretold and warned about. Its goal a one world religion that will denign the biblical model of salvation, the one thing that stands in its way.

logical as a one world may seem to well intentioned people, they also could be takin advantage of through their own benevolence, ignorant of the hidden purpose they have been slowley led to imbrace.


II Corinthians 2
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

is Paul also suspect? Just curious. Makes ya wonder, no? :)

FYI ... beyond the surface in many of these links, there is great Wisdom. It went a long way to help me understand a great deal about my own personal experiences. Fear serves its purpose, and should be faced. Those who don't face it head on are the ones that I would question whether they really trust God, as they might claim.

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 05:11 PM
II Corinthians 2
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

is Paul also suspect? Just curious. Makes ya wonder, no? :)

FYI ... beyond the surface in many of these links, there is great Wisdom. It went a long way to help me understand a great deal about my own personal experiences. Fear serves its purpose, and should be faced. Those who don't face it head on are the ones that I would question whether they really trust God, as they might claim.

Not the same seeing Pauls mystery was a reference to the death, buriel, and resurrection being kept secret, which Jesus also spoke of. Certainly not the gospel of Lucifer which is the foundation of this kind of one world utopian myth, and his spiritual masters of deception that are behind it.

It was foretold by its followers, its just time for it to be revealed to the masses after years of condistioning.

Sad to see your one of them.

rexlunae
December 24th, 2010, 05:15 PM
It's not supernatural. Yogis can step outside their material bodies.

Not seeing how that's anything other than a supernatural claim.

rexlunae
December 24th, 2010, 05:19 PM
Why is it nonsense?

Because it's not possible, as far as I can tell. Therefore, the claimed practitioners are preaching nonsense.

rexlunae
December 24th, 2010, 05:21 PM
you're forgetting that people without an understanding of eastern concepts like to ridicule them instead

Sorry, I had no idea that the hemisphere of origin had any impact on how stupid or clever an idea is. Perhaps you can explain how remote viewing works, in scientific terms?

Katie
December 24th, 2010, 05:33 PM
Not the same seeing Pauls mystery was a reference to the death, buriel, and resurrection being kept secret, which Jesus also spoke of. Certainly not the gospel of Lucifer which is the foundation of this kind of one world utopian myth, and his spiritual masters of deception that are behind it.

It was foretold by its followers, its just time for it to be revealed to the masses after years of condistioning.

Sad to see your one of them.

If by the "them" (in your last statement) you mean "everyone," then yes, I am ONE *of* them. :)

Katie
December 24th, 2010, 05:38 PM
Sorry, I had no idea that the hemisphere of origin had any impact on how stupid or clever an idea is. Perhaps you can explain how remote viewing works, in scientific terms?

Perhaps you, in scientific terms, would not mind to enlighten us on where it is the universe came from? Don't end at the BB, please, because the most honest scientists will admit that there had to be something in order to be a "BIG BANG."

I say the obvious answer is found in, "And God said, Let there be Light." The Mind can be a wonderful thing! or ... quite dark.

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 05:54 PM
If by the "them" (in your last statement) you mean "everyone," then yes, I am ONE *of* them. :)

So you support the Luciferic new world order, which this kind of spiritism is working toward?

Katie
December 24th, 2010, 06:11 PM
So you support the Luciferic new world order, which this kind of spiritism is working toward?


What is in the links, for me, is esoteric knowledge. Yes, I support it as it does not take your right to your faith away. It does not contradict at all what is in the Bible, but gives deeper understanding. It is about inner knowledge, and this is peace of mind in a world that otherwise appears quite chaotic. Had you read the links posted up, and without assuming the worst about the intention of the authors, you might come to understand it is NOT EVIL. I could assume the worst about you and the Christians in your persistence to spread your faith (acceptance w/out understanding) ... but that did not go over so well, did it? Plan B, then. ;) (pssst ... the last words were just a joke ... I have no plans AGAINST anyone).

rexlunae
December 24th, 2010, 06:25 PM
Perhaps you, in scientific terms, would not mind to enlighten us on where it is the universe came from? Don't end at the BB, please, because the most honest scientists will admit that there had to be something in order to be a "BIG BANG."

The difference between the Universe and remote viewing is that the Universe is pretty decisively something that exists, whereas no one has been able to consistently and persuasively demonstrate that remote viewing works. If it were some undeniable fact that must be dealt with, that would be one thing, but it's far easier to doubt that it exists at all unless someone can make a strong case for it.


I say the obvious answer is found in, "And God said, Let there be Light."

I don't see anything obvious about that. It certainly doesn't match with what I experience as the usual consequence of speech. I can only really speculate about how the Universe got here, but I wouldn't put much confidence in any one answer. There are a few that seem especially unlikely though, and creation by speech is amongst them.


The Mind can be a wonderful thing! or ... quite dark.

I couldn't agree more.

Merry Christmas :e4e:

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 06:28 PM
Christianity must be rehabilitated if its wants to be "allowed" to go on into this one new order freelight is an apostle of.

The leaders are Luciferians, and connect that identity to satan.

One of the movements respected leaders of the past (Madam Blavatsky) certainly understood who needed rehabilitated before their plan could be brought to its fulfillment.

Alice Bailey another disciple of this plan, knew the war would be fought with mental weapons and in the world of thought, and it would involve the emotional realm, against what she refered to as fanaticism. Which would be gospel believing christians who don't belong to any worlds (mans) organized religeon that have already been corrupted from their foundation. These will support this esoteric agenda gladly without to much effort.

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 06:45 PM
What is in the links, for me, is esoteric knowledge. Yes, I support it as it does not take your right to your faith away. It does not contradict at all what is in the Bible, but gives deeper understanding. It is about inner knowledge, and this is peace of mind in a world that otherwise appears quite chaotic. Had you read the links posted up, and without assuming the worst about the intention of the authors, you might come to understand it is NOT EVIL. I could assume the worst about you and the Christians in your persistence to spread your faith (acceptance w/out understanding) ... but that did not go over so well, did it? Plan B, then. ;) (pssst ... the last words were just a joke ... I have no plans AGAINST anyone).

So knowing the foundation of this esoteric system is satanic doesn't bother you? I am just going by what they say themselves.
I read about this stuff for years, and seen the frog sit in the pan while the heat is turned up, and I admit from mans perspective the message is appealing which is certainly the way to trap people.

freelight
December 24th, 2010, 07:55 PM
Sorry, I had no idea that the hemisphere of origin had any impact on how stupid or clever an idea is. Perhaps you can explain how remote viewing works, in scientific terms?

Hello rex :)

I highly recommend reading this article -

SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATIONS
OF REMOTE VIEWING (http://www.probablefuture.com/p221.htm) -The Quantum Reality

In it are pertinent points concerning quantum physics, experimental observations and the direct or indirect effects of conscious choices, intent and will...in affecting conditions and consequences in the space/time flux of everyday experience. And thats what is essential to 'remote viewing' or 'remote influencing' which is just another 'methodology' of 'creating or conditioning one's experience and perception of reality' thru the medium of 'mind. Existence, perception, knowledge all relativity, meanings, values are recognized and related via "consciousness". - hence learning how such inter-acts within the cause/effect continuum of energy/matter is fundamental to understanding the nature and potential of life itself, and our part of the play (creation).

Ample resources and answers were also provided earlier on what remote viewing is, for those actually interested.

Again, and in addition....the actual theme article of the OP is on the theme of the Oneness of Reality, the Unity of Life, the Universal Mind that upholds, comprehends and coordinates all movements of existence, the study and application of employing consciousness and psychic abilities for the highest good of one and all.


pj

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 08:09 PM
Manly P. Hall, (mason) was another highly regarded disciple of the esoteric movement.

He wrote of the "Great Plan" as did the past apostles.

He wrote-Progress is not ordinarily for the advancement of the individual, but for the unfoldment of the universal project. The real Esoteric Schools still labor toward the "goal of the World Common wealth. The Plan remains Utopian", and the disciple advancing through the grades of a legitimate initiate-system is being prepared, not for personal emancipation, but as an instrument for the liberation of his fellowmen.

This remote viewing is just another avenue being used by the spirits behind this Plan Ephesians 6:12. The ones holding it back are the narrow minded christians in this little remote story, who still hold to the biblical belief that the cross, and blood of Christ is the only way for men to receive salvation 1Cor 15:1-4, and believe in the Lamb of Gods sacrifice ordained before the foundation of the world 1Peter 1:19,20.

Of coarse the scripture they don't like, gets a good dose of esoteric interpretation applied to it, or the ole boot out the door, with expert scholars quickly found to back up their claims. And they add their own twist to Gods Plan which is backwards! no surprise in that though seeing this one world Plan for mans salvation is satanic.

freelight
December 24th, 2010, 08:11 PM
Christianity must be rehabilitated if its wants to be "allowed" to go on into this one new order freelight is an apostle of.

The leaders are Luciferians, and connect that identity to satan.

One of the movements respected leaders of the past (Madam Blavatsky) certainly understood who needed rehabilitated before their plan could be brought to its fulfillment.

Alice Bailey another disciple of this plan, knew the war would be fought with mental weapons and in the world of thought, and it would involve the emotional realm, against what she refered to as fanaticism. Which would be gospel believing christians who don't belong to any worlds (mans) organized religeon that have already been corrupted from their foundation. These will support this esoteric agenda gladly without to much effort.

Let me just nip this in the bud, before you go on with more misconceptions, knee-jerk reactions and presumptions (readings of the past prefiguring your current perceptions). If you'd like to actually contribute to the subject of the thread that would suffice. Also educating yourself on 'remote viewing' with the resource here shared and the appropriate articles is customary, before going off on tangents unrelated to the subject. Interjecting 'new world order' hype doesnt apply here and if you read the original article, you'll see that the New Jerusalem is the heavenly archetype or divine reality of which Jerusalem is the earthly representation on earth. The converging of both culminates in the kingdom of heaven on earth. (God, Man and nature in harmony). These are universal themes, allegorical truths common to the revelation of all inspired souls, seers and visionaries, and not just limited to the Jude-christian tradition or culture, although we use the example of Jerusalem as the City of Peace and for all peoples.

Remember,...God is One. Truth is One. Life is One.


pj

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 08:27 PM
More predictions from their own past disciples writtings that fit the recomendations of this remote viewing message.

Alice bailey-The three main channels through which the preparation for the new age is going on might be regarded as the Church, the Masonic Fraternity and the educational field. All of them are as yet in relatively static condistion, and all are as yet failing to meet the need and to respond to the inner pressure. But in all of these three movements, disciples of the Great Ones are to be found and they are steadily gathering momenthum and will before long enter upon their designated task. It must not be forgotten that only those souls who are on the Probationary Path or the Path of Discipleship will form the nucleus of the coming world religeon. (its end will be a dictatorship)

And Alice would be well pleased with the progress in all three if she was still alive.

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 08:31 PM
Let me just nip this in the bud, before you go on with more misconceptions, knee-jerk reactions and presumptions (readings of the past prefiguring your current perceptions). If you'd like to actually contribute to the subject of the thread that would suffice. Also educating yourself on 'remote viewing' with the resource here shared and the appropriate articles is customary, before going off on tangents unrelated to the subject. Interjecting 'new world order' hype doesnt apply here and if you read the original article, you'll see that the New Jerusalem is the heavenly archetype or divine reality of which Jerusalem is the earthly representation on earth. The converging of both culminates in the kingdom of heaven on earth. (God, Man and nature in harmony). These are universal themes, allegorical truths common to the revelation of all inspired souls, seers and visionaries, and not just limited to the Jude-christian tradition or culture, although we use the great example of Jerusalem as the City of Peace and central mecca of God's Presence for all peoples.

Remember,...God is One. Truth is One. Life is One.


pj

I am contributing to the thread! its about the message in the remote viewing and its connection to the esoteric plan.
So you may not like it but you can't say its not related, so back off.
The writtings of its prophets are certainly fare game as well.

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 09:57 PM
Let me just nip this in the bud, before you go on with more misconceptions, knee-jerk reactions and presumptions (readings of the past prefiguring your current perceptions). If you'd like to actually contribute to the subject of the thread that would suffice. Also educating yourself on 'remote viewing' with the resource here shared and the appropriate articles is customary, before going off on tangents unrelated to the subject. Interjecting 'new world order' hype doesnt apply here and if you read the original article, you'll see that the New Jerusalem is the heavenly archetype or divine reality of which Jerusalem is the earthly representation on earth. The converging of both culminates in the kingdom of heaven on earth. (God, Man and nature in harmony). These are universal themes, allegorical truths common to the revelation of all inspired souls, seers and visionaries, and not just limited to the Jude-christian tradition or culture, although we use the great example of Jerusalem as the City of Peace and central mecca of God's Presence for all peoples.

Remember,...God is One. Truth is One. Life is One.


pj

Just one more thing before I leave you to your new age evangelism, to say that your gospel (same as this remote message) isn't connected to Alice Bailey, Manly P Hall, Madam Blavatky, or the other myriads of sources that speak of this Esoteric Masonic Plan is rediculous.
Plus I have listen to remote viewers, and channelers, read alot about your type of spiritism in the past, I may not be able express it as well and polished as you do yours, but I stand behind this so called hype about the intent of your message, you maybe so caught up in your esoteric allegories that you have lost the ability to come back to reality.
You don't get a free pass because you use some biblical lingo, Mason use it for propaganda to push their Kabbalism.

You have a message of ONE, and I have my message of One and they come from oposite sources.

freelight
December 24th, 2010, 10:45 PM
Just one more thing before I leave you to your new age evangelism, to say that your gospel (same as this remote message) isn't connected to Alice Bailey, Manly P Hall, Madam Blavatky, or the other myriads of sources that speak of this Esoteric Masonic Plan is rediculous.
Plus I have listen to remote viewers, and channelers, read alot about your type of spiritism in the past, I may not be able express it as well and polished as you do yours, but I stand behind this so called hype about the intent of your message, you maybe so caught up in your esoteric allegories that you have lost the ability to come back to reality.
You don't get a free pass because you use some biblical lingo, Mason use it for propaganda to push their Kabbalism.

I think those intelligent ones who have actually read the original article in the OP and other articles from the Academy of Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing (AVARI (http://probablefuture.com/)) might appreciate the understanding of 'Oneness' when they gain insight into the nature of reality and how 'consciousness' affects or influences it. - that's the crux of the matter here.

The 'pioneers' you've listed above(targeted from your collection of 'new age prophets' to malign) are not necessarily related to the specific articles of the Academy, or the author or this specific topic,....it is you in your campaign to undermine or expose anything 'esoteric' or 'occult' and not according to your 'conception' of God's word or Christ's gospel that is at issue. - your assumptions and what you perceive to be a 'threat' or 'enemy' to a certain 'version' of truth.


You have a message of ONE, and I have my message of One and they come from oposite sources.


Just sharing the message of the author whose many articles and premiere work in this field (Remote Viewing) has meaning and value for us today, if we would be so enlightened to take advantage of such knowledge.

As we consider what 'The One' is....it is the One Infinite Being, the Universal Ultimate Supreme Reality, the Sole Matrix of space/time creation.....the substrate from which all potentials of existence arise. Its essentially the science of consciousness and its art of creation. (this is the truth of what exists and what is unfolding). Obviously, 'God' who is Light....prefers his offspring to share in this original knowledge wherein there is freedom and power. God who is One is not divided in His original Integrity and the call of 'salvation' or 'enlightenment' is always a returning of the many back to the One, the original unity at heart, the core-reality that unites and relates all because It is All.

:thumb:


pj

freelight
December 24th, 2010, 11:28 PM
I am contributing to the thread! its about the message in the remote viewing and its connection to the esoteric plan.
So you may not like it but you can't say its not related, so back off.
The writtings of its prophets are certainly fare game as well.

Lets address a few things here :) - I'm the originator of this thread, and have laid down the subject, content and context. Your welcome to address such as shared, but your bringing in preconceptions and assumption of 'association' that are not necessary to the dialogue or subject - they are projected implications from preconceptions. If you want to talk about the nature of reality, God, Existence, Truth, etc,...we can do that...as it relates to our 'returning to Oneness' (and it just so happens that remote viewing is a tool/method of tapping into the heart of this Oneness via consciousness and creative choosing) - this just happens to be the authors own expertise and viewpoint from his own practice and experience of The One.

The original article and author speaks of the the theme for this year 2010 being about a 'Return to Oneness (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm)',.....the Oneness at the Heart of All That Is. The Mother Matrix, the Universal Father. We can call this Supreme Being "Father-Mother-God" if you like. - these are just 'terms' we use to designate 'God', the Infinite Spirit, Cosmic Consciousness....use any words you wish, its ok...they're just 'words'. (pointers, references). If you dont read and spiritually resonate with this article, you'll miss what this thread is really about. The focal-point of Jerusalem as the City of Peace is even more meaningful for students of scripture (which the article fully dives into!)


The beginning of the End, or the end of our beginning (http://probablefuture.com/Beginning%20or%20End.htm)? - Our Choice (good article about how we use our natural resources and strip/pollute our Mother Earth, how this affects all living things, what we can do to make a change)



pj

rexlunae
December 24th, 2010, 11:32 PM
Hello rex :)

I highly recommend reading this article -

SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATIONS
OF REMOTE VIEWING (http://www.probablefuture.com/p221.htm) -The Quantum Reality


I see nothing in the article but an attempt to graft a sort of new-age spiritualism into science. It's fine to speculate how remote viewing might be possible, but absent any evidence that it can or does happen it's a bit premature to talk about how it works.

Zeke
December 24th, 2010, 11:54 PM
freelight;2523437]I think those intelligent ones who have actually read the original article in the OP and other articles from the Academy of Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing (AVARI (http://probablefuture.com/)) might appreciate the understanding of 'Oneness' when they gain insight into the nature of reality and how 'consciousness' affects or influences it. - that's the crux of the matter here.

Anyone who has did any amount of research into the field could see the clear connection to the message you push, and the site in question. And the esoteric lingo you use to divert the darts and arrows thrown at your unbiblical masonic message.




The 'pioneers' you've listed above(targeted from your collection of 'new age prophets' to malign) are not necessarily related to the specific articles of the Academy, or the author or this specific topic,....it is you in your campaign to undermine or expose anything 'esoteric' or 'occult' and not according to your 'conception' of God's word or Christ's gospel that is at issue. - your assumptions and what you perceive to be a 'threat' or 'enemy' to a certain 'version' of truth.

The heck their not related, I would take that bet. The goal is the same, and targeted enemy is also. My campaign is to expose the message against the biblical model of the final state of this evil world system, it doesn't match unless you bring out the magic wand of escoteric ring around the rosey to transform the new age christ into the world saviour which is the oposite of the senario layed out by Christ in Matthew 24. So if I warn about falsh christs and teachers its perfectly alright, and inline with the Lord who warned of such things, because He is the one who opened my eyes to this falsh spiritism in the first place, And naturaly the fox doesn't like the light on when he works among the sleeping hens.



Just sharing the message of the author whose many articles and premiere work in this field (Remote Viewing) has meaning and value for us today, if we would be so enlightened to take advantage of such knowledge.

It has value for you, and your band of others who play the same tune, it has nothing but spiritual deception for those searching for truth inline with the biblical model.



As we consider what 'The One' is....it is the One Infinite Being, the Universal Ultimate Supreme Reality, the Sole Matrix of space/time creation.....the substrate frpm which all potentials of existence arise. Its essentially the science of consciousness and its art of creation. (this is the truth of what exists and what is unfolding). Obviously, 'God' who is Light....prefers his offspring to share in this original knowledge wherein alone is freedom and power. God who is One is not divided in His original Integrity and the call of 'salvation' or 'enlightenment' is always a returning of the many back to the One, the original unity at heart, the core-reality that unites and relates all because It is All.

:thumb:


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Well we have different opinion on "who" the light is in your theology, which its pretty easy to connect to satan from the founders of the same Plan! at least be honest and stop trying to hide the truth about what they believed, and their goals to replace christianity with their satanic mystical version.
The fact that you come from a mormon background, which was founded by a mason shows the connection to your path to this type of inlightenment, your good at what you do, which makes you even more dangerous.

freelight
December 25th, 2010, 12:56 AM
What is in the links, for me, is esoteric knowledge. Yes, I support it as it does not take your right to your faith away. It does not contradict at all what is in the Bible, but gives deeper understanding.

:thumb:

Essentially.


It is about inner knowledge, and this is peace of mind in a world that otherwise appears quite chaotic. Had you read the links posted up, and without assuming the worst about the intention of the authors, you might come to understand it is NOT EVIL.

Properly informing oneself is essential to constructive dialogue.


I could assume the worst about you and the Christians in your persistence to spread your faith (acceptance w/out understanding) ... but that did not go over so well, did it? Plan B, then. ;) (pssst ... the last words were just a joke ... I have no plans AGAINST anyone).

What is beautiful about 'God', is his Truth is universally All-ready what alwaysis. Truth encompasses all. There is only the All existing (the One, the Totality). The One is not 'against' anything (for it is Indivisible), although appearances of duality, polarity and opposites arise within the context of evolving creation (all opposites or paradoxes are resolved in the One). 'God' still is the only One...that the many aspects of creation owe their origin and existence (purpose, value, meaning, etc.) and 'salvation' is returning to this 'One', for in truth....there is only this One. Right this very moment, and every moment...for all eternity, there is only 'this'.
'This' Now is all the 'God' there is.

As we say in 'sanatana dharma',.....'God' is One without a second. It goes further than denominating that there is only One God, but that there is only God (Mind, substance, form, movement, energy, Spirit).

'Esoteric' or 'occult' simply means 'hidden, mysterious, hidden beneath a veil, 'secret', 'apocrypha',...it does not necessarily connote anything 'evil' or 'satanic' in its original generic meaning, but some have imposed such connotations.


pj

freelight
December 25th, 2010, 01:34 AM
The fact that you come from a mormon background, which was founded by a mason shows the connection to your path to this type of inlightenment, your good at what you do, which makes you even more dangerous.

lol. O zeke. You tickle me pink. My being raised mormon is only a small part of an initial journey whose parts all work together to weave a wonderful tapestry, for such is life.

As far as shooting down others who you think are 'messengers of satan' or 'dangerous' we read -

" Evil originates from the notion of “the other” across which we often fear and want to separate from. All battling sides always perceive “the other” as evil, which means undesirable.

The time for the old and infinitely repeated game of trying to encourage what you perceive as desirable and hence good and familiar, within your human programs, and allow it to battle the “other” side, which you perceive as undesirable, unfamiliar and foreign, and hence “bad” or “evil,” is coming to an end. Soon this game will be over. The One has decreed it to be so, and we are on our way to stop it with the One’s loving guidance."

- original article (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm)


The One isnt about attacking others, but integrating, harmonizing all.



pj

Zeke
December 25th, 2010, 11:28 AM
freelight; lol. O zeke. You tickle me pink. My being raised mormon is only a small part of an initial journey whose parts all work together to weave a wonderful tapestry, for such is life.

Its still foundationaly masonic in its secret temple worship, which is esoteric when you get to the beliefs of the leadership, and their goal for the planet. Alice Bailey foreseen the need to wage war in the field of world religions, and thought, and emotional realms, one of the reason for the founding of the masonic mormon church is part of that warfare with its doctrine of obtainable godhood, which Manly P Hall also taught, as did others working to bring in the Esoteric Plan. We both know nothing happens without a reason.



As far as shooting down others who you think are 'messengers of satan' or 'dangerous' we read -

" Evil originates from the notion of “the other” across which we often fear and want to separate from. All battling sides always perceive “the other” as evil, which means undesirable.

Its a requirment for being a believer in the biblical Christ, and its not personal I like you, and think your a credit to your cause. I disagree with your cause which is what I attack as spiritual deception, I don't think you have a chose in the matter any longer, nor do I. Because this isn't about flesh, and blood, who are just the instruments that allow themselves knowingly, or through stealth and deception, to be munipulated by the spiritual forces behind this eternal battle between two spiritual kingdoms.
The facts of evil is something I don't have to try and prove, its fruit is everywhere, the problem comes from the good that evil can also bring to the table to disguise its true intentions, through the warfare mentioned by Alice Bailey.


The time for the old and infinitely repeated game of trying to encourage what you perceive as desirable and hence good and familiar, within your human programs, and allow it to battle the “other” side, which you perceive as undesirable, unfamiliar and foreign, and hence “bad” or “evil,” is coming to an end. Soon this game will be over. The One has decreed it to be so, and we are on our way to stop it with the One’s loving guidance."

- original article (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm)


The One isnt about attacking others, but integrating, harmonizing all.


pj

Well warfare is about attacking by what ever means is allowed, the battle hasn't changed, it morphs out of need. The founding prinicples call it a war, and know this is a battle to the finish. The fact that you try and disregard it is a trojan horse. The Plan is about taking over what it wants its disciples to perceive as the old age which is a trick! because the old was also controlled by the same wicked spiritual beings that brought about heathen idol worship, and also organized religions of all stripes, and denominations. The falsh vadars ( the cause of the fall in the first place) your doctrine points its followers back to shows its the same ole lie concealed in this new era of Utopia speak.

The fact you want to try and say this remote message is some how disconnected from Plan, is easly refuted by many "Esoteric" writtings. One need only to research the UN! to find one of many birth canals for this Plantary Consciousness movement, its web is in every part of the globe working for the Plan.

freelight
December 26th, 2010, 01:22 PM
Its still foundationaly masonic in its secret temple worship, which is esoteric when you get to the beliefs of the leadership, and their goal for the planet. Alice Bailey foreseen the need to wage war in the field of world religions, and thought, and emotional realms, one of the reason for the founding of the masonic mormon church is part of that warfare with its doctrine of obtainable godhood, which Manly P Hall also taught, as did others working to bring in the Esoteric Plan. We both know nothing happens without a reason.

All things are connected and interdependent in the world of relativity, this dimension of conditional existence. As long as there 'appears' to be contending forces, duality, polarity, etc....there will be a seeming battle between such, as in 'spiritual warfare', but this is only on the plane of 'duality', and that divine reality which is prior to and transcending duality, is the Eternal Heart of The One...before, behind and beyond all things. This is the essential theme of our relationship with God, returning to Him, our true center, life and peace. All the other occult schools and teachers may have a place in assisting man towards his divine end and destiny, and like a corporation, each 'member' or 'agent' has their special role within the collective. (just like the body of Christ - similar analogy). There is one universal temple of God, one Christhood, one Sonship.


Its a requirment for being a believer in the biblical Christ, and its not personal I like you, and think your a credit to your cause. I disagree with your cause which is what I attack as spiritual deception, I don't think you have a chose in the matter any longer, nor do I. Because this isn't about flesh, and blood, who are just the instruments that allow themselves knowingly, or through stealth and deception, to be munipulated by the spiritual forces behind this eternal battle between two spiritual kingdoms.
The facts of evil is something I don't have to try and prove, its fruit is everywhere, the problem comes from the good that evil can also bring to the table to disguise its true intentions, through the warfare mentioned by Alice Bailey.

We'll see what forces or powers ultimately prevail, but the divine Will must eventually triumph.



Well warfare is about attacking by what ever means is allowed, the battle hasn't changed, it morphs out of need. The founding prinicples call it a war, and know this is a battle to the finish. The fact that you try and disregard it is a trojan horse. The Plan is about taking over what it wants its disciples to perceive as the old age which is a trick! because the old was also controlled by the same wicked spiritual beings that brought about heathen idol worship, and also organized religions of all stripes, and denominations. The falsh vadars ( the cause of the fall in the first place) your doctrine points its followers back to shows its the same ole lie concealed in this new era of Utopia speak.

The fact you want to try and say this remote message is some how disconnected from Plan, is easly refuted by many "Esoteric" writtings. One need only to research the UN! to find one of many birth canals for this Plantary Consciousness movement, its web is in every part of the globe working for the Plan.

The truth in the message remains, as fundamental to the spiritual laws that hold all creation. My key motive in sharing those things that spiritually resonate and bear witness within, is allowing such light to also quicken others who are receptive to the movement of the Spirit. Those who are called or have the 'witness' of truth within, shall join the power of that witness, and by conscious union participate in its culmination. This is referred to as the 'Great Work' ;)

As far as Alice Bailey (http://www.lucistrust.org/en/books/alice_bailey_books/about_alice_bailey) is concerned, she was quite a pioneer in her day, and left many volumes dedicated to the 'Reunion', world-unity, collective brotherhood of mankind, world-government, spiritual psychology/healing, progressing humanity, etc. Havent read her in some time, although her work on "Glamour" was recommended as a valuable work on 'spiritual discernment' - the value and insight in her or any other spiritual teachers work is in its own wisdom, clarity, practicality, and ultimately its fruit....however one incorporates that knowledge.

Alice Bailey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey) (wiki portal)


pj

Katie
December 26th, 2010, 04:47 PM
The difference between the Universe and remote viewing is that the Universe is pretty decisively something that exists, whereas no one has been able to consistently and persuasively demonstrate that remote viewing works.

It is not the "remote viewing" itself that had caught my attention, and rather the deep wisdom found in the links that have been posted.

Remote viewing has been admittedly used by those in the military, and yet ... still, this is not my fascination with the links ... it is the things said in the links, things I have come to know to be truth.

There is one link that I read that I now can not seem to find (were any of the links deleted?). It spoke of most of the subjects showing forth many paths that they could choose, and some of whom only a few or a couple paths were shown that they could choose. Rare was the person who only had one path to follow ... and these seemed to echo something of those in the past that had a remarkable role to play in the change of the world.

It reminded me of Rosa Parks ... :)

Most are not aware from her perspective what she went through during the change that is accredited to her. She did not jump on the bus that day thinking "I am going to stand up for my rights as a black person." No! She got on that bus that day, sat down at the first available seat she saw, and was adament to NOT move ... NOT because she was black, but because she was tired and worn out. She had no idea how her moment of weakness would be used in the way it was ... and she suffered much as a result of her choice to admit her weakness in that moment. yet, she is accredited with having been a voice for those wrongfully mistreated. She did not choose her path of greatness, and rather her path was one of those rare paths; chosen for her.

THAT is the kind of truth that I see in the links. Beyond what you and others are seeing no matter which side you choose to rest on, there is still truth and wisdom in the links that are not easy for me to personally dismiss.

Some of you choose a side, and some of us have no choice but to walk in the middle of it all. I equate this to what is mentioned in Numbers 12:14 (the truth is found in the understanding of the whole chapter ... no, actually in the whole Scriptures ... but it is summed up in my understanding best with this one verse).

Katie
December 26th, 2010, 05:09 PM
Its still foundationaly masonic in its secret temple worship, which is esoteric when you get to the beliefs of the leadership, and their goal for the planet. Alice Bailey foreseen the need to wage war in the field of world religions, and thought, and emotional realms, one of the reason for the founding of the masonic mormon church is part of that warfare with its doctrine of obtainable godhood, which Manly P Hall also taught, as did others working to bring in the Esoteric Plan. We both know nothing happens without a reason.




Its a requirment for being a believer in the biblical Christ, and its not personal I like you, and think your a credit to your cause. I disagree with your cause which is what I attack as spiritual deception, I don't think you have a chose in the matter any longer, nor do I. Because this isn't about flesh, and blood, who are just the instruments that allow themselves knowingly, or through stealth and deception, to be munipulated by the spiritual forces behind this eternal battle between two spiritual kingdoms.
The facts of evil is something I don't have to try and prove, its fruit is everywhere, the problem comes from the good that evil can also bring to the table to disguise its true intentions, through the warfare mentioned by Alice Bailey.



Well warfare is about attacking by what ever means is allowed, the battle hasn't changed, it morphs out of need. The founding prinicples call it a war, and know this is a battle to the finish. The fact that you try and disregard it is a trojan horse. The Plan is about taking over what it wants its disciples to perceive as the old age which is a trick! because the old was also controlled by the same wicked spiritual beings that brought about heathen idol worship, and also organized religions of all stripes, and denominations. The falsh vadars ( the cause of the fall in the first place) your doctrine points its followers back to shows its the same ole lie concealed in this new era of Utopia speak.

The fact you want to try and say this remote message is some how disconnected from Plan, is easly refuted by many "Esoteric" writtings. One need only to research the UN! to find one of many birth canals for this Plantary Consciousness movement, its web is in every part of the globe working for the Plan.


I can't even do as Freelight does and address any specific point of yours ... you seem overall to be confused of truth vs what you think to be truth, or were taught to be truth.

What the hell does the UN have to do with this? honestly, I do not see your point. What of the Utupio that Christians imagine? That is, people like me go to hell whilst the hypocrites are accepted of God. How is that right?

(I know ... too much truth IM(less than)HO, perhaps?? *shrugs*)

rexlunae
December 26th, 2010, 05:33 PM
It is not the "remote viewing" itself that had caught my attention, and rather the deep wisdom found in the links that have been posted.

Remote viewing has been admittedly used by those in the military, and yet ... still, this is not my fascination with the links ... it is the things said in the links, things I have come to know to be truth.

There is one link that I read that I now can not seem to find (were any of the links deleted?). It spoke of most of the subjects showing forth many paths that they could choose, and some of whom only a few or a couple paths were shown that they could choose. Rare was the person who only had one path to follow ... and these seemed to echo something of those in the past that had a remarkable role to play in the change of the world.

It reminded me of Rosa Parks ... :)

Most are not aware from her perspective what she went through during the change that is accredited to her. She did not jump on the bus that day thinking "I am going to stand up for my rights as a black person." No! She got on that bus that day, sat down at the first available seat she saw, and was adament to NOT move ... NOT because she was black, but because she was tired and worn out. She had no idea how her moment of weakness would be used in the way it was ... and she suffered much as a result of her choice to admit her weakness in that moment. yet, she is accredited with having been a voice for those wrongfully mistreated. She did not choose her path of greatness, and rather her path was one of those rare paths; chosen for her.

THAT is the kind of truth that I see in the links. Beyond what you and others are seeing no matter which side you choose to rest on, there is still truth and wisdom in the links that are not easy for me to personally dismiss.

Some of you choose a side, and some of us have no choice but to walk in the middle of it all. I equate this to what is mentioned in Numbers 12:14 (the truth is found in the understanding of the whole chapter ... no, actually in the whole Scriptures ... but it is summed up in my understanding best with this one verse).

Clearly, you see something here that I don't. I was only speaking of remote viewing in the post that people started responding to (after nearly a year).

Zeke
December 26th, 2010, 05:36 PM
I can't even do as Freelight does and address any specific point of yours ... you seem overall to be confused of truth vs what you think to be truth, or were taught to be truth.

What the hell does the UN have to do with this? honestly, I do not see your point. What of the Utupio that Christians imagine? That is, people like me go to hell whilst the hypocrites are accepted of God. How is that right?

(I know ... too much truth IM(less than)HO, perhaps?? *shrugs*)

That fact that you don't know what the UN has to do with this esoteric plan shows your lack of knowledge concerning the subject.

When did I say your where going to hell katie? I think your looking for something that your emotions agree with thats all. The truth doesn't always agree with your goose bumps, or your inner guides that seem sweet and careing.

Katie
December 26th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Clearly, you see something here that I don't. I was only speaking of remote viewing in the post that people started responding to (after nearly a year).

:) Maybe after a year it makes sense. yeah? I do not, again, know much of remote viewing as it is regarded even by our military, and thus why I said, that is not what struck me. Most look at the subject and then draw up their conclusions based on the subject ... few look beyond ... obviously as shown by this thread. That is what I was pointing toward ... the "less obvious" truth within the subject.

Yes, clearly I see something here that you don't. No disagreement with you in this.

Katie
December 26th, 2010, 06:01 PM
That fact that you don't know what the UN has to do with this esoteric plan shows your lack of knowledge concerning the subject.

So you agree or not with the UN ... as it could be difficult to tell here. I am very well educated on the stances that the UN takes, and the stances that they will not admit they take. We can go there, I guess, if you would like.


When did I say your where going to hell katie? I think your looking for something that your emotions agree with thats all. The truth doesn't always agree with your goose bumps, or your inner guides that seem sweet and careing.

I said specifically that the Christian view of Utopia would put to hell people such as myself ... never specifically did I say that you would. Yet despite anyone's view, it is not hell that I reside in, and rather I learn more and more what it is meant in the words, "the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17, Amos 5:8. You?

Tell me, what is truth in your opinion? Please do not give me the words of another ... rather, share with me YOUR version of the Truth, and what validates it, IYHO, as truth.

Zeke
December 26th, 2010, 06:54 PM
Katie; So you agree or not with the UN ... as it could be difficult to tell here. I am very well educated on the stances that the UN takes, and the stances that they will not admit they take. We can go there, I guess, if you would like.

No I don't agree with their agenda, which is a one world religion and goverment.


I said specifically that the Christian view of Utopia would put to hell people such as myself ... never specifically did I say that you would. Yet despite anyone's view, it is not hell that I reside in, and rather I learn more and more what it is meant in the words, "the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17, Amos 5:8. You?

Thats one view found among christians, I am not among those who believe in eternal punishment.


Tell me, what is truth in your opinion? Please do not give me the words of another ... rather, share with me YOUR version of the Truth, and what validates it, IYHO, as truth.

I think God so loved the world that He sent His Son as a substitutional sacrifice for the off spring of adam, all are dead in old adam without hope. Jesus the foreordained Lamb of God before the foundation of the World, the Word made flesh, Who was with God and was God humbled himself and left glory to become mans kinsmen redeemer, through his shed blood man is freed from the bondage of sin and death. If Jesus be not risen then we are dead in our sins and are preaching vain.
No other christ, or religion will do, no spiritist doctrine of One that tells you the answer is in your self, no utopia without the real Prince of peace.

Zeke
December 26th, 2010, 07:18 PM
All things are connected and interdependent in the world of relativity, this dimension of conditional existence. As long as there 'appears' to be contending forces, duality, polarity, etc....there will be a seeming battle between such, as in 'spiritual warfare', but this is only on the plane of 'duality', and that divine reality which is prior to and transcending duality, is the Eternal Heart of The One...before, behind and beyond all things. This is the essential theme of our relationship with God, returning to Him, our true center, life and peace. All the other occult schools and teachers may have a place in assisting man towards his divine end and destiny, and like a corporation, each 'member' or 'agent' has their special role within the collective. (just like the body of Christ - similar analogy). There is one universal temple of God, one Christhood, one Sonship.



We'll see what forces or powers ultimately prevail, but the divine Will must eventually triumph.



The truth in the message remains, as fundamental to the spiritual laws that hold all creation. My key motive in sharing those things that spiritually resonate and bear witness within, is allowing such light to also quicken others who are receptive to the movement of the Spirit. Those who are called or have the 'witness' of truth within, shall join the power of that witness, and by conscious union participate in its culmination. This is referred to as the 'Great Work' ;)

As far as Alice Bailey (http://www.lucistrust.org/en/books/alice_bailey_books/about_alice_bailey) is concerned, she was quite a pioneer in her day, and left many volumes dedicated to the 'Reunion', world-unity, collective brotherhood of mankind, world-government, spiritual psychology/healing, progressing humanity, etc. Havent read her in some time, although her work on "Glamour" was recommended as a valuable work on 'spiritual discernment' - the value and insight in her or any other spiritual teachers work is in its own wisdom, clarity, practicality, and ultimately its fruit....however one incorporates that knowledge.

Alice Bailey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey) (wiki portal)


pj

This Great Work, was alister crowley a band member?

Katie
December 27th, 2010, 10:11 PM
No I don't agree with their agenda, which is a one world religion and goverment.



Thats one view found among christians, I am not among those who believe in eternal punishment.

I am glad for the latter, and I hope this is something that more Christians will come to realize as well ... that God is not with malicious intent for His creation.

As for the former in the above, I am not ignorant of oppressions ... far from it. And I would not, and can not negate the difficult circumstances of those who are suffering and/or afflicted due to oppressions. I even understand how difficult it is to remember the goodness of God when looking around, especially since there seems to be so much that speaks to hopelessness and almost even it can feel like a type of abandonment ... nevertheless, I am always brought back to the rememberance of Who is the One "holding me in the Palm of His 'Hand.'" I am reminded that His Creation ALWAYS begins first in me (you surly are aware of the parable that teaches how the inside of the cup must first be made clean) ... then, you should understand what is meant when we say 'esoterically speaking,' of course. We learn from those who "govern" over us, whether it be by force of a few or by the will of the majority. I only know to take the lessons to heart, but first as it applies to me. Mostly, it is in our best interest to know that we CAN and should trust in God.


I think God so loved the world that He sent His Son as a substitutional sacrifice for the off spring of adam, all are dead in old adam without hope.

The judgments are the key to understanding the goodness of God as the Creator, Genesis 3. The judgments of God are good for knowledge, understanding, and ultimately for Wisdom. The foreknowledge (insight) of God into His creation can clearly be seen by the conceptual allegory of Genesis 2-3 when one takes the time to try and understand (without preconceived notions given to us of others) the rest of the Tanach (especially according to Proverbs 2:1-11).

Who is the Son of God? Exodus 4:22-23 ... and this is the one who is given to know the judgments of God, which the Psalmist himself testifies of in Psalm 147:19-20. Israel, then, becomes the one who is conceptually known as Wisdom. In Proverbs it is said that Wisdom DANCES, plays, and finds enjoyment in God's creation, even whilst He is *still* creating ... and He is ... even now, still creating! Psalm 149, for instance, speaks of Israel in the same way that Proverbs speaks of Wisdom. :)


Jesus the foreordained Lamb of God before the foundation of the World, the Word made flesh, Who was with God and was God humbled himself and left glory to become mans kinsmen redeemer, through his shed blood man is freed from the bondage of sin and death. If Jesus be not risen then we are dead in our sins and are preaching vain.
No other christ, or religion will do, no spiritist doctrine of One that tells you the answer is in your self, no utopia without the real Prince of peace.

What do you do with the statements that are attributed to Jesus saying that he did not come to bring peace, and quite the opposite? Just curious.

I am of the impression that Joseph, the son of Jacob, is a great example, IMHO, of what a Prince of Peace is essentially.

He was a righteous man, a wise ruler, and the best (most clear) example given in the Bible ... yet often overlooked. From his very beginning, he was pure in his heart, and yet full of wisdom so that he was able to be used for the good of all those in whom he would eventually 'oversee.' He did not fight against those who wrongfully mistreated, accused, and/or forgot him. He suffered a great deal more in his innocency than most of us could ever or should ever complain of ... yet, he still always did what was right for the greater good of the People, as well as for the individual; first the Egyptians (who had become his People), and then for his brothers (as well as the rest of the family) who would come to him later in need of help during the time of the great famine. As I said, but am repeating again for the sake of emphasizing the point, there is a lot that seems to be overlooked in regard to Joseph ...

it seems to be the case in the NT as well, I have more recently come to be aware of.

With Joseph, there was the creation ("finger") of God in his personal life first ... and this, for a specific purpose that would ultimately extend outward to show forth the goodness of God, not only in the eyes of the Egyptians and Joseph's own family, but to the peoples living in many of the surrounding lands.


There are specific details in the first link that touch quite deeply on this greater Wisdom of God's Creation. It is testified of in the Tanach, and even the very way in which Nature, itself, is conducted. That the author sees the "fingerprint" of God's 'work' in what otherwise is being proclaimed by many others as a chaotic mess of ... well, nothing ... is not something I personally can deem as being evil, and rather it should be taken as it is meant to be: an insightful and creative reminder that we are not without hope in the world. :)

freelight
December 28th, 2010, 04:48 AM
This Great Work, was alister crowley a band member?

Yes. 'The Great Work' is primarily a term within Hermeticism (http://meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Hermeticism/hermeticism.htm) but extends to other schools who share the primary vision. Crowley was a leading pioneer of 'The Great Work' in the Thelemic school. The Great work is individual and collective. Essentially a 'hermetic' at heart here.

" The Great Work (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/The_Great_Work) (lat: Magnum Opus), within Thelema, is the process of attaining Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel and learning and accomplishing one's True Will. The concept originates as far back as Medieval alchemy, and came to Thelema through Hermetic Magic informed by the Qabalah."

- Thelemapedia

Great Work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Work) (wiki)



pj

Zeke
January 4th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Sounds like the great One is getting a little testy in his message for 2011.

He will need to make a dicision as to whether some individual heart beats can or should continue to beat within the Heart Beat of One.

When this moment comes, much of what He allowed to be and evolve will need to cease to be.:shocked:

freelight
January 4th, 2011, 11:55 PM
Sounds like the great One is getting a little testy in his message for 2011.

He will need to make a dicision as to whether some individual heart beats can or should continue to beat within the Heart Beat of One.

When this moment comes, much of what He allowed to be and evolve will need to cease to be.:shocked:

:)

The Infinite One is wholly Self-contained and has infinite resources to meet every challenge, problem and paradox...for all opposites and dualities are wholly reconciled, balanced and inner-merged in the Heart of the One. All space and time exists in the One, and all that is prior to and beyond space or time.


pj

Zeke
January 6th, 2011, 05:47 PM
I guess the reincarnation wheel ran of the One road, seeing some just can't seem to get just who this One is! what a shame , maybe One needs some communications classes before He starts the final solution.

No Sheep Here
January 6th, 2011, 06:18 PM
logical as a one world may seem to well intentioned people, they also could be takin advantage of through their own benevolence, ignorant of the hidden purpose they have been slowley led to imbrace.You read my mind. This is my concern too many people accepting Christianity. Just think of all those well intentioned people who'll be led to believe out of ignorance.

Zeke
January 6th, 2011, 07:00 PM
You read my mind. This is my concern too many people accepting Christianity. Just think of all those well intentioned people who'll be led to believe out of ignorance.
Yea mine to, they seem to be excepting all sorts of pagan doctrines these days.
I am surprised because most esoteric paths to inlightenment read like a bad trip on LSD, they should know better if they had the real Spirit of God leading them, but you tell a lie long enough!

Esoteric blessing from the great powerfull OZ. code name ONE.

freelight
January 6th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Yea mine to, they seem to be excepting all sorts of pagan doctrines these days.
I am surprised because most esoteric paths to inlightenment read like a bad trip on LSD, they should know better if they had the real Spirit of God leading them, but you tell a lie long enough!


Sounds like you still need to read the original article to know what its about (insights into the nature of existence and how consciousness affects conditions and potential futures, besides the science behind remote viewing, etc. - it just so happens that the author and others in this field have discovered common methods with consistent results that can be learned. - the articles on the One (call it 'God', 'Spirit', 'Primoridal Consciousness', 'Creative Intelligence', etc.) are rather pertinent and 'spot on' concerning our current time and what could affect future events, especially regarding the parallel with Jerusalem on earth and the Jerusalem above ('as below, so above'). This ought to concern all conscious beings on the planet of whatever denomination since we are all children of One Father.

Return to Oneness (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm) (this message still pertinent, for Oneness is intrinsic to Life and all its movements. - see more articles in index on the left)



Esoteric blessing from the great powerfull OZ. code name ONE.

Dont forget to click your heels :)

Jesting aside, dont forget the Shema which Jesus honored, "Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One" (Shema Yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai ehad). This fundamental truth ought never be skimmed over,....go to the Source.

It is the One without a second, one Infinity... the origin and context of all that is finite (all space/time potentials/possibilities). There is not only one God, but only God (non-dual, all-inclusive, all-pervading, omnipresent). - all 'else' are offsprings, emanations, expressions, permutations of the One.




pj

freelight
September 11th, 2012, 07:01 PM
~*~*~

Greetings all,

Just resurrecting some of the very few threads that I have left over from the recent 'purging' of threads.

From the OP here and ongoing discussion, we explore the Oneness of Life, the Unity of Existence, that center of Love and Light at the Heart of all Creation. The articles from The Academy (http://probablefuture.com/) serve as a launching pad and platform for universal spirituality and how psi-skills such as remote viewing relate to gaining some insight into the general conditions of our world, and how to unleash our true potential for positive growth and transformation.

The original message of Oneness was given for the Year 2010 (http://probablefuture.com/2010.htm), but still applies of course, because 'God' or 'Spirit' is always One....therefore the cause and principle of unity always remaina behind the movements of change that come and go. The original article is essential and important for those who wish to dialogue on the subject, so please respect for that discussion-participation.

(I've never experimented with remote viewing myself, but resonate with the metaphysical and philosophical import of many of the articles towards consciousness expansion, personal empowerment and planetary transformation).

Namaste!


pj

freelight
September 13th, 2012, 12:55 AM
~*~*~

Sharing the message given for our present year 2012 Here (http://probablefuture.com/2012.htm) (video and commentary), from The One. We use the term 'The One' here to refer to the One God Presence, that Infinite Spirit-Mind that is indivisible, the sourcing presence of all that is, was and ever will be,...for to the Infininite One..there is only that One existing, no 'other'. There is no 'other', where God is One and All. - the play of duality, relativity and movement (creation/evolution) arises as the play of 'God' in space-time, giving the appearance of multiplicity (there appears to be many 'minds' interfacing within One Infinite Mind).

In truth, there is only 'God'. 'God' is the eternal source and abiding reality of all (the source-condition of all conditions). All includes all (all that is invisible/visible,...all that is before, behind or beyond any-thing, thought or form). 'God' at this point is 'unassociated being'. Only where assocations appear...is there duality (relationships, personalities engaging,....'romance' ;) )

An excerpt from the 2012 message -


This is the beginning of a new era: The era of One and Oneness, when the One and Only comes down from His Throne and embraces all of His children and the totality of Creation.

In this Holy process of rejoining of all His parts, much will be unfolding in order to achieve and regain balance and harmony.

This is the culmination of a long era of conflicts between parts of The One.

The One and Only witnessed for eons the battery of pain and destruction which ensued.

So much suffering in vain!

So many distortions spread about the nature and qualities of The One and Only Being!

A time had come for The Oneness to shine Its Truth to all the lost parts.


As we reflect on the Oneness of Life and hear a message from The One Itself....the language of duality is used, referring to 'parts' of the One, individual souls...who because of the veil of darkness, seperation and 'ego' have become lost in seperation, illusion, sorrow, despair, fear, insanity....forgetting their true nature, original home, divine source.

A re-turn to Oneness is the shattering of the illusion of seperation, ignorance and sorrow. Where the One is all, there is only that One. No difference, no seperation, no 'other'. From this fundamental Heart-level of omnipresence....there is only pure indivisible Light. The Light of 'I Am' includes apparent 'others' in its infinitude of relationships/interactions....but to the Infininite "I" there is no 'other', but itself. There is The One, and the 'many' that appear in the realm of space-time creation, the unfolding cycles of birth, death, re-birth. One 'Being' and 'Presence', yet many forms, personalities and appearances engaging in 'play'.

Also important is the symbol of the inner and outer Jerusalem...as a nexus-point where Spirit converges with matter, in our own hearts and the actual location geographically (in the land of Israel) as the navel of the world...where the forces of heaven converge with the earth-plane. The Star of David is also an important symbol of 2 triangles intersecting, the top triangle pointing down representing Spirit coming down into matter (involution) and the bottom triangle pointing up...matter being lifted up into the current of Spirit (evolution). There are but two aspects of The One inner-merging as the flux of creation. This 'hexagram' is also an archetype of '6' (points/sides)....the number of Man (Son of Man/Son of God).


pj

Lost Comet
September 13th, 2012, 01:07 AM
Hey! I didn't know you were raised Mormon, too! :jawdrop:

freelight
September 13th, 2012, 01:52 AM
Hey! I didn't know you were raised Mormon, too! :jawdrop:

:) - humble beginnings, but the soul-journey has been a wonderful adventure and continues on.

While the phrase "All is One" may seem cliche'.....it is metaphysically true on a fundamental universal level. All goes back to the Root,...which is One, the primal unit from which all springs and converges back again.

Another great article from Gerald is "Happy Birthday to you too!" (http://www.probablefuture.com/Happy_Birthday_to_You_Too.htm). Every morning we are born anew as it were, so that every day is the opportunity of new creation, possibilities and potential. Such is the engagement of creation, unfolding itself in cycles of change (transformation). Since the original essence of pure energy and spirit is unborn/undying...only the forms or vehicles which mind and spirit uses undergo change relative to conditions of space and time. The eternal 'I Am' is deathless.


In-joy!



pj

freelight
November 2nd, 2012, 04:10 PM
I guess the reincarnation wheel ran of the One road, seeing some just can't seem to get just who this One is! what a shame , maybe One needs some communications classes before He starts the final solution.

Hi Zeke,...I know you have since had a 'shift' in consciousness since these older conversations have taken place, so in that new 'light'....let us proceed.

~*~*~

To all readers:

While we continue our explorations of the nature of reality, which is integrated within itself as a universal unity,....we see that all there really is....is 'The One'...individualizing itself within relating personalities. Everything is a reflection of the One itself, because it is that universal Mind Alone that is relating all things within itself, thru various images, thoughts, ideas, concepts, personalities, mind-forms, etc. All arises as a play of creation to Consciousness Alone, and to none else. All is a play of perception (in its manifold forms and movements) in the sea of consciousness.

Here is a wonderful interview with Gerald O'Donnell by Nick Good, about his own journey, discoveries and the founding of 'The Academy of Remote Viewing'...most important however are the keys or secrets of creation, those principles that affect and influence reality, and make possible every 'probable future'.

From Night into Daylight and Beyond: We have the Force of One to FREEDOM (http://probablefuture.com/Interview_January_11_2012listen.htm)

Here we come back to the archetype of 'Jerusalem' as the City of Peace, Harmony, Oneness and that 'Jerusalem' is in us, as the kingdom of 'God', the throne of Spirit. It is the mother of us all, being the 'new creation'...or that which begets all true creation.




pj

RevTestament
November 2nd, 2012, 10:48 PM
Originally Posted by Lost Comet http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/images/juice/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3210994#post3210994)
Hey! I didn't know you were raised Mormon, too!

:) - humble beginnings, but the soul-journey has been a wonderful adventure and continues on.

While the phrase "All is One" may seem cliche'.....it is metaphysically true on a fundamental universal level. All goes back to the Root,...which is One, the primal unit from which all springs and converges back again.

Another great article from Gerald is "Happy Birthday to you too!" (http://www.probablefuture.com/Happy_Birthday_to_You_Too.htm). Every morning we are born anew as it were, so that every day is the opportunity of new creation, possibilities and potential. Such is the engagement of creation, unfolding itself in cycles of change (transformation). Since the original essence of pure energy and spirit is unborn/undying...only the forms or vehicles which mind and spirit uses undergo change relative to conditions of space and time. The eternal 'I Am' is deathless.


In-joy!

pj
Humble beginnings is good, for this is the way Jesus taught us. Only the humblest can learn this lesson and follow Jesus to be one with the Father even as he is.

Zeke
November 3rd, 2012, 09:48 AM
Hi Zeke,...I know you have since had a 'shift' in consciousness since these older conversations have taken place, so in that new 'light'....let us proceed.

~*~*~

To all readers:

While we continue our explorations of the nature of reality, which is integrated within itself as a universal unity,....we see that all there really is....is 'The One'...individualizing itself within relating personalities. Everything is a reflection of the One itself, because it is that universal Mind Alone that is relating all things within itself, thru various images, thoughts, ideas, concepts, personalities, mind-forms, etc. All arises as a play of creation to Consciousness Alone, and to none else. All 'else' is merely a play of perception (in its manifold forms and movements) in the sea of consciousness.

Here is a wonderful interview with Gerald O'Donnell by Nick Good, about his own journey, discoveries and the founding of 'The Academy of Remote Viewing'...most important however are the keys or secrets of creation, those principles that affect and influence reality, and make possible every 'probable future'.

From Night into Daylight and Beyond: We have the Force of One to FREEDOM (http://probablefuture.com/Interview_January_11_2012listen.htm)

Here we come back to the archetype of 'Jerusalem' as the City of Peace, Harmony, Oneness and that 'Jerusalem' is in us, as the kingdom of 'God', the throne of Spirit. It is the mother of us all, being the 'new creation'...or that which begets all true creation.




pj

Hi Freelight.

Yea the kingdom within, the temple made without hands the abode of the Christ spirit that lights all men that come into the world, only one light with many spectrums, all humanity and are animal brothers part of that body of light.
We come and go through various mediums and bodies for reasons only the Great Spirit is in control of, the great mystery that keeps the search alive.
But I am just a beginner, many colors of the rainbow I have yet to retain on my coop stick, still lots of bad medicine to deal with.



Blessings, Zeke.

freelight
November 3rd, 2012, 02:41 PM
Hi Freelight.

Yea the kingdom within, the temple made without hands the abode of the Christ spirit that lights all men that come into the world, only one light with many spectrums, all humanity and are animal brothers part of that body of light.

How wonderful it is,....to realize that One Infinite Light lies behind all appearances and forms, the cradle in which all creation emerges as vibrational reflections of one source. One Father-Mother-God.


We come and go through various mediums and bodies for reasons only the Great Spirit is in control of, the great mystery that keeps the search alive.

And is it not the Eternal One individing Himself into (or as) the 'many' to experience the purality and potentials of creation thru-out eternity? Souls must be the offspring of One OverSoul, whose creative love begets all possibilities for that Love to be realized without end. - this would naturally include souls taking on as many embodiments and experiences to satisfy and fulfill their eternal destiny and purpose....a journey of learning.


But I am just a beginner, many colors of the rainbow I have yet to retain on my coop stick, still lots of bad medicine to deal with.

Just look to the Light and abide in Oneness, for that is your native position or home in 'God' and as 'God' anyways. Then you are already seated in the truth where all is right and peaceful, since you are not seperate from your source whose nature is love and whose will is further creative expression of that love, wherein there is no fear at all....since all fear, guilt, shame, false beliefs and assumptions of 'ego' are absolved and outshined in the Son-Light....because you've realized you were never seperate from 'God' in the firstplace.

Bad medicine is remedied by its disposal....and then the acceptance of your wholeness and perfection already being in 'God' as His son.

I might want to explore more the numerology of "1" and God's nature,...I went into it a little here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2960174&postcount=69). The concept of 'zero' or 'zero-point' is also important in the greater numerical scale of things, as we get some insight into the metaphysics of numbers. We can draw from various schools on these points. Fascinating stuff!


A fellow rainbow warrior,



pj

Zeke
November 3rd, 2012, 04:12 PM
How wonderful it is,....to realize that One Infinite Light lies behind all appearances and forms, the cradle in which all creation emerges as vibrational reflections of one source. One Father-Mother-God.



And is it not the Eternal One individing Himself into (or as) the 'many' to experience the purality and potentials of creation thru-out eternity? Souls must be the offspring of One OverSoul, whose creative love begets all possibilities for that Love to be realized without end. - this would naturally include souls taking on as many embodiments and experiences to satisfy and fulfill their eternal destiny and purpose....a journey of learning.



Just look to the Light and abide in Oneness, for that is your native position or home in 'God' and as 'God' anyways. Then you are already seated in the truth where all is right and peaceful, since you are not seperate from your source whose nature is love and whose will is further creative expression of that love, wherein there is no fear at all....since all fear, guilt, shame, false beliefs and assumptions of 'ego' are absolved and outshined in the Son-Light....because you've realized you were never seperate from 'God' in the firstplace.

Bad medicine is remedied by its disposal....and then the acceptance of your wholeness and perfection already being in 'God' as His son.

I might want to explore more the numerology of "1" and God's nature,...I went into it a little here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2960174&postcount=69). The concept of 'zero' or 'zero-point' is also important in the greater numerical scale of things, as we get some insight into the metaphysics of numbers. We can draw from various schools on these points. Fascinating stuff!


A fellow rainbow warrior,



pj

Yea its amazing all the different angles (angels) one can find pointing all to the ONE source of them ALL, Bible, Koran, etc..all teach the science hidden in plain sight, just like Jacob seen God at the place called peniel, its all inner science of the human body a micro version of the universe, as above as below.

Hopefully the age of knowing is starting to blossom, so that once again man can grasp who he really is, and climb up out of the lower chak-RA-s up Jacobs ladder and become IS-RA-EL.

Amazing how many names of the bible have RA in them.

Blessings, Zeke.

freelight
November 7th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Yea its amazing all the different angles (angels) one can find pointing all to the ONE source of them ALL, Bible, Koran, etc..all teach the science hidden in plain sight, just like Jacob seen God at the place called peniel, its all inner science of the human body a micro version of the universe, as above as below.

Hopefully the age of knowing is starting to blossom, so that once again man can grasp who he really is, and climb up out of the lower chak-RA-s up Jacobs ladder and become IS-RA-EL.

Amazing how many names of the bible have RA in them.

Blessings, Zeke.

Yes! The Law of One and that permeating influence of 'Ra' goes back anciently in our planetary memory. A very significant channeled work given in the 80's is the 'Law of One' material thru a social-memory-complex, or 'consciousness' idenitifying itself as 'Ra' - this carries us back into the ancient truth-principles revealed in Egypt and adopted by the Jews as Moses received it. Is-Ra-El is the 'people' of 'God', and on Jacob's ladder we ascend and descend up thru the 'rungs' of involution/evolution. All is the sprial of consciousness, the One Soul mirroring itself from highest purities of spirit-energy...to the more dense matterial realms of space and time.

I shared the 'Law of One' material in my 'ET Theology' thread, which is no longer extant, but these links are great introductions to the teaching -

Law of One info. (http://www.lawofone.info/)

wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Law_of_One)

Law of One text (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ra_material/law_one.htm)

Study Guide (http://www.spiritofra.com/Ra-section%201.htm) and Here (http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=6&id=23&Itemid=36)

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Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

-o-o-o-

The Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator has only one important statement. That statement, my friends, as you know, is “All things, all of life, all of the creation is part of one original thought.”

-o-o-o-

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.

One of the primal distortions of the Law of One is that of healing. Healing occurs when a mind/body/spirit complex realizes, deep within itself, the Law of One; that is, that there is no disharmony, no imperfection; that all is complete and whole and perfect. Thus, the intelligent infinity within this mind/body/spirit complex re-forms the illusion of body, mind, or spirit to a form congruent with the Law of One. The healer acts as energizer or catalyst for this completely individual process.


To Holiness (the integration of wholeness/perfection/peace...which lies at the heart of creation).



pj

freelight
November 27th, 2012, 08:38 PM
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To the Oneness underlying, pervading and upholding all. That holiness itself of Creation born from the Heart of the Creator alone is good, true, beautiful, potent, unborn, undying, unchanging in its original essence, but expressing the infinite potentials and possibilties of Itself, thru-out all space, time and form. The One involves and evolves itself thru the play of creation, the experience of relationship, in order to reintegrate, restore and augment its original unity and experiential values in the engagement of love. All comes from The One and returns to The One, because the only truth of existence and foundation for all reality is The One Itself.

~*~*~

Message from Truth (http://probablefuture.com/ONE-and-ONLY-TRUTHvid.htm) (video meditation)

Happy Thanksgiving 2012 to The One for the gift of Life and Living Waters (http://www.probablefuture.com/Happy_Thanksgiving_2012_and_Beyond.htm)


As we reflect on the power and presence of 'God' and are wholly one with that Presence, we are all that very presence, because the One cannot be divided from itself ever. Beyond the veil of language and illusion there is always that integral reality that is Being itself, Self-luminuous, Absolute, Free.


In-Joy!



pj

freelight
December 16th, 2012, 05:39 PM
~*~*~

A new message thru Gerald, shared here in the theme of this thread, for meditation and attunement to 'The One' that is our Creator, our Heart-center, our love, our joy, our power, our peace.

Direct Message from the One and Only to Mankind, Jerusalem, December 12, 2012 (http://probablefuture.com/Jerusalem%2012-12-2012.%20Message%20from%20The%20One.htm) (full transmission)

~*~*~

Excerpt:

This is a message from the Godliness.

Today, December 12, 2012, an event of great significance happened.

Near the Holy of Holies in the city of One: Jerusalem, the Godliness Unified, and the many parts who form It vibrated, in unison and alignment, the vibrational signature which characterizes The One and Only.

There was no dissonance, no interruption, no reluctance.

Many parts who had wanted to rejoin The Oneness were able to do so, as they bask now in the Infinite Light of The One and Only.

This event needed to happen, for, had it not, great instability would have shaken the very core of all Creation.

We came very close to such.

The facet who is talking now, needed to allow for such an event to occur and serve as a vessel for its manifestation.

The alignment is in place. All the parts who form The Eternal are unifying in purpose and intent of bringing final Peace to the Eternal One.

Such an alignment has required great efforts and preparations and many have heeded the call and gifted of themselves to serve the Unifying Process within The One and Only at the level of Its most important Parts and beyond.

There will be no destruction either of this Creation or of the remaining ones.

What has been engaged shall be completed.

Nothing nor anyone can impede this Holy turnaround of The One bringing back His many parts into Oneness.

We are all to integrate the Holy significance of such an event and believe, in the core of ourselves, that soon enough, great manifestations testifying to its very existence will show themselves and be witnessed by all of us.

~*~*~

As shared in the OP article on the Oneness at the heart of Creation, and especially that vortex of holy energy at Jerusalem, the City of One, the city of peace....which serves as a bridge between heaven and earth.....the holy love is calling all parts of itself back into itself, reintegrating, revivifying, regenerating, empowering all back into itsself.

Since Jerusalem is the 'center' or 'navel' of our world, it converges the heavenlies and the earth realm together as one...uniting the heavenly Jerusalem with its matterial counterpart here below. Like the ladder of Jacob...it is by that highway of holiness that angels descend and ascend, during our 'wrestling' with the powers that be, giving us rest as our place of victory, the crown of our overcoming.

The Star of David represents this merging of the Father-Mind with the Mother-light, to make the hexagram of Man, merging the two as one. The downturning triagle is the involtion of Spirit, the masculine energy coming down; the upturned triangle is the evolution of matter-energy, the mother-light lifting the physical world up into the finer energies of Spirit, in its spiraling evolution towards wholeness and perfection (these are inversed in other schools). The circle around the Star is the eternal ring, the compass of infinity. Notice the 7 compartments within the Star, - that original center-space is the God-essence that remains pure and unchanging within Man, and within all creation while all else moves as the 'dance' of God.

The shatkona (http://western-hindu.org/2009/10/20/shaivite-hindu-symbols-the-shatkona/) is the Hindu name for this symbol, representing Shiva and Shakti...the masculine and feminine archetypal union.


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Om shanti,



pj

freelight
February 25th, 2013, 06:30 PM
~*~*~

At this time of meta-tation, we reflect on a lesson in A Course in Miracles (http://www.facim.org/) on the subject of 'creation' (my own commentary is in 'blue' below the text) -



Section 11. What is Creation?

Creation is the sum of all God's Thoughts, in number infinite, and everywhere without all limit. Only love creates, and only like itself. There was no time when all that it created was not there. Nor will there be a time when anything that it created suffers any loss. Forever and forever are God's Thoughts exactly as they were and as they are, unchanged through time and after time is done.

God's Thoughts are given all the power that their own Creator has. For He would add to love by its extension. Thus His Son shares in creation, and must therefore share in power to create. What God has willed to be forever One will still be One when time is over; and will not be changed throughout the course of time, remaining as it was before the thought of time began.

The One Creation of 'God' is timeless in its original nature, no matter what arises in the play of 'space-time', being a journey of 'learning' to rejoin with Spirit, one's original innocence.

Creation is the opposite of all illusions, for creation is the truth. Creation is the holy Son of God, for in creation is His Will complete in every aspect, making every part container of the whole. Its oneness is forever guaranteed inviolate; forever held within His holy Will, beyond all possibility of harm, of separation, imperfection and of any spot upon its sinlessness.

The original perfection of 'God' and His creation remain forever one. The Father and Son are one in the context of holy creation. We who share this 'sonship' forever inhere in 'God' whose perfect will is our own, because this love is indivisible.

We are creation; we the Sons of God. We seem to be discrete, and unaware of our eternal unity with Him. Yet back of all our doubts, past all our fears, there still is certainty. For love remains with all its Thoughts, its sureness being theirs. God's memory is in our holy minds, which know their oneness and their unity with their Creator. Let our function be only to let this memory return, only to let God's Will be done on earth, only to be restored to sanity, and to be but as God created us.

Our Father calls to us. We hear His Voice, and we forgive creation in the Name of its Creator, Holiness Itself, Whose Holiness His Own creation shares; Whose Holiness is still a part of us.

Here we see 'holiness' as that divine nature of inherent 'wholeness' and 'beauty', our true nature from 'God', whose nature is One. The pure creation of holy spirit, is like unto itself, and could not be different, since 'God' can only create according to his will and nature. Therefore His eternal Son is eternally begotten out of the divine nature, expressing the will innate in 'God'. As we recognize our oneness with God as His Son...we embrace the beauty of holiness. We are that creation.

- Lesson 321 (http://acim.org/Lessons/lesson.html?lesson=321)

A familiarity with the Course's teaching will help the reader here, yet these essential points hold. We ever begin with Oneness itself, since that eternal condition is prior to all other conditions that arise in the play of creation (the inter-activity of space-time). All relations and movements inhere in The One.


In-joy,



pj

freelight
September 17th, 2013, 01:06 AM
Humble beginnings is good, for this is the way Jesus taught us. Only the humblest can learn this lesson and follow Jesus to be one with the Father even as he is.

Greetings all,

I revive this dialogue to add more reflections and inspirations to the Unity of All. To the above I would add that Jesus calls us to be one with him and the Father, an indwelling unity. As he calls us to be "perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect", he speaks of our quality and expression of love. This is a love far greater than certain religious interpretations that distort such and so misrepresent the Holy Spirit.

Now we re-turn our conscious love and intimate focus towards The Creator or divine Creation that IS.....and hear from its Heart....a song which permeates the cosmos, ever unfolding His majesty.

The Song of all songs: The Song of Love has begun. (http://probablefuture.com/Jerusalem12.21.12Message.htm) (video and text)

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In the light of each renaissance, new songs and melodies arise from the central core, where each messenger becomes a harp of 'God', beautifully weaving different harmonies to the glory of The One. Those united to David share in this beloved concert of the purest worship, because it springs from the eternal value of God himself, the source of all harmony.

More insights on 'creation' and 'evolution' here ( "http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3601324&postcount=365 ").


In-joy,



pj

DaveDodo007
September 20th, 2013, 10:37 PM
Greetings all,

I revive this dialogue to add more reflections and inspirations to the Unity of All. To the above I would add that Jesus calls us to be one with him and the Father, an indwelling unity. As he calls us to be "perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect", he speaks of our quality and expression of love. This is a love far greater than certain religious interpretations that distort such and so misrepresent the Holy Spirit.

Now we re-turn our conscious love and intimate focus towards The Creator or divine Creation that IS.....and hear from its Heart....a song which permeates the cosmos, ever unfolding His majesty.

The Song of all songs: The Song of Love has begun. (http://probablefuture.com/Jerusalem12.21.12Message.htm) (video and text)

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In the light of each renaissance, new songs and melodies arise from the central core, where each messenger becomes a harp of 'God', beautifully weaving different harmonies to the glory of The One. Those united to David share in this beloved concert of the purest worship, because it springs from the eternal value of God himself, the source of all harmony.

More insights on 'creation' and 'evolution' here ( "http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3601324&postcount=365 ").


In-joy,



pj

While I can sort of see the whole oneness with the universe as in we are all made of stardust (exploding supernova) and we are all made of atoms and when we die we will be recycled. I still don't get the creator part and why you pay lip services to religions that were written by people who had so little understanding of the planet we occupied let alone the universe.

MichaelCadry
September 20th, 2013, 11:27 PM
Dear freelight,

From what I've read so far, seems good. You know me, I'll say when something's wrong. I've only read page 6, this page, through post 79. I guess you can tell I am not much of a reader. After reading the Bible over and over and my book over and over, I'm not much into reading or writing anything. But I do what is necessary, regardless.

God Bless You In Your Endeavors!!

MichaelC

MichaelCadry
September 20th, 2013, 11:34 PM
Dear freelight,

I've read more and especially like Post 81.!!! I would have to read through the whole Course (and whole thread) to know for sure about the entire thread. You hold your own. I've always noticed that about you. You speak of the intricacies of all of the Oneness of God, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Whereas others call them the Trinity. Very interesting. It's about time to see you in your own thread!!

God and Jesus Bless You Tons,

MichaelC

MichaelCadry
September 20th, 2013, 11:56 PM
Dear All,

You might also find it interesting how many names have 'el' in them (God). It's mind-blowing!! Jesus did say I and the Father are One, not two or three, but One, so kudos to you, freelight!

Will keep up reading more. Ciao!!

In Christ's Love,

Michael

freelight
September 21st, 2013, 12:54 PM
While I can sort of see the whole oneness with the universe as in we are all made of stardust (exploding supernova) and we are all made of atoms and when we die we will be recycled. I still don't get the creator part and why you pay lip services to religions that were written by people who had so little understanding of the planet we occupied let alone the universe.

Hello Dave,

The concept of 'Creator' originates in consciousness itself, since the mind conceives of an infinite intelligence behind creation, whether man envisions this creative intelligence as being 'personal' or more or less 'non-personal', which gives rise to the whole plethora of gods, goddesses, devas and other super-natural beings in the mythology of man, yet such images derive from true archetypes and forms which that same Mind conceives, since it is all One Universal Mind anyways :)

The key is in the unity of Life itself, the whole cosmic continuum of energy, light, spirit...which is all inner-merging and inter-relating within Consciousness. A re-turn to Oneness is a return to the natural state, our original being in the Supreme Being. It is the essence of what we are.



pj

freelight
September 21st, 2013, 01:04 PM
Dear freelight,

I've read more and especially like Post 81.!!! I would have to read through the whole Course (and whole thread) to know for sure about the entire thread. You hold your own. I've always noticed that about you. You speak of the intricacies of all of the Oneness of God, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Whereas others call them the Trinity. Very interesting. It's about time to see you in your own thread!!

God and Jesus Bless You Tons,

MichaelC


Hi Michael,

Its a slow rebuilding of my own threads, since my older ones were deleted in the last server upgrade - a list of those threads is here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1158). New streams will continue to flow, since out of One cosmic Ocean all things derive. The concept of 'oneness' is intrinsic to Being. - even within a polytheistic context, there is a universal unity at the heart of all. 'God' is One, two, three, seven, etc.....unto infinity....since 'God' is the primary unit of all multiples. No matter how you slice 'God',....or divide, multiple or personify 'God'....the essence remains simple, the forms complex.



pj

freelight
September 21st, 2013, 01:10 PM
Dear All,

You might also find it interesting how many names have 'el' in them (God). It's mind-blowing!! Jesus did say I and the Father are One, not two or three, but One, so kudos to you, freelight!

Will keep up reading more. Ciao!!

In Christ's Love,

Michael


All comes from The One, and returns to The One. There is no other but The One. All is an expression or manifestation of an original source-value, however multiplied.



pj

TruthSetsFree
September 21st, 2013, 01:21 PM
~*~*~

Greetings all,

Sharing a New Year message from Gerald O'Donnell from the Academy of Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing (ARVARI). Its an important survey of where we are at in this stage of consciousness for our planet and the greater quantum field of reality. Its all about returning to Oneness, pj[/COLOR]

i like what Jesus had to say about one-ness

He wanted all his believers to be ONE (in mind and heart)


John 17:20-23



New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


well, the RCC is one in mind and heart except for afew malcontents like Pelosi who is not Catholic anyhow..

the Mass readings read in your local Church are the same read throughout the world

nice way to be connected.... :cool:

freelight
September 21st, 2013, 01:50 PM
i like what Jesus had to say about one-ness

He wanted all his believers to be ONE (in mind and heart)


John 17:20-23



New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


well, the RCC is one in mind and heart except for afew malcontents like Pelosi who is not Catholic anyhow..

the Mass readings read in your local Church are the same read throughout the world

nice way to be connected.... :cool:


Hi TSF,

yes,....Jesus was in tune with his heavenly Father and calls us to abide in that same communion in the Spirit. One Spirit. One Love. One Power. One Presence.

The OP (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2246856&postcount=1) article articulates more about this unity with God using the city of Jerusalem as a focal point, along with the other articles. We are all offspring of one universal source, who is to us in a parental sense, our Father-Mother God.


Namaste,



pj

MichaelCadry
September 21st, 2013, 02:43 PM
Earth is the place where God raises up children to Himself. In the "Milky Way"

MichaelC

MichaelCadry
September 21st, 2013, 06:32 PM
Dear freelight,

I lilke your attachments. That one is absolutely BEAUTIFUL. The purple one. Spiralight!

Will chat with you again soon.

In Jesus' Thoughts,

Michael

chrysostom
September 22nd, 2013, 04:59 AM
Return to Oneness

I like the idea of returning
and
being part of the whole
but
I don't believe we will ever lose our individuality

chrysostom
September 22nd, 2013, 05:00 AM
Earth is the place where God raises up children to Himself. In the "Milky Way"

MichaelC

this is where we get tested

freelight
September 22nd, 2013, 02:25 PM
Return to Oneness

I like the idea of returning
and
being part of the whole
but
I don't believe we will ever lose our individuality


Greetings in Life,

Indeed, Oneness already pervades the whole of existence, from which we inhere in our deepest being and nature. All division, separation, relativity is more or less an illusion cast upon the senses in the play of light as it reflects back to us as many appearances. Hence perception is the infusion of differential light making things appear in their various forms, which our pure awareness observes in the unfolding of creation.

'Individuality' is a wonderful word, indicating a peculiar or special aggregate of qualities which make up a 'person' or constitutes a distinct 'personality', operating as a single conscious entity. Interestingly in the context of 'The One' or 'The All', the Great Over-Soul of creation....we are individual expressions or individing reflections of 'The One', so retain our unique individuality in the sense that we are singular in essence as to God's essence, yet have a unique personality-complex in which that light and essence of 'God' manifests. As long as 'God' is interfacing and looking out thru the mind-body-spirit complex that we are composed of, there is at that point a unique individuality thru which God sees, so it is maintained as long as that soul-complex exists as an experiential component within the whole. We could go on in the metaphysics involved, but the intuitive sense of unity and the individual integrity of one's own being is a starting point of the journey.

Enjoy the surf :surf:




pj

freelight
September 22nd, 2013, 02:28 PM
this is where we get tested

Yes, in a sense. Creation itself is the play of 'God' in space-time, exploring and venturing all potentials and possibilities unto infinity. All challenges or trials are native to 'experience', as long as there is any learning or evolution of consciousness involved.



pj

freelight
September 22nd, 2013, 04:30 PM
Dear freelight,

I lilke your attachments. That one is absolutely BEAUTIFUL. The purple one. Spiralight!

Will chat with you again soon.

In Jesus' Thoughts,

Michael

Creation consists of both waves and spirals of conscious light :)

Let us meditate upon a recent article "At the end of the Pendulum's swing, Essence Merges with God and all Its Creatures, forming One (http://probablefuture.com/At_the_End_of_The_Pendulum_Swing.htm)".

Here we consider returning to Essence, the essence of our own being, whose source is 'God'. We can call 'God' the Sourcing Presence. As we remain true to our essence, from that springs true creation, eternal progress, infinite joy.

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pj

MichaelCadry
September 22nd, 2013, 07:28 PM
Dear freelight,

Where did you get the pic? Wonderful for the guy/gal who painted it!! Just exquisite!!!

Jerusalem is facing enemies from all sides. Things for the navel are not looking good but I know God is with her regardless and that it truly will be okay. I already know what's going to happen. And it fulfills scripture. But I can't say, lest it influence the pre-outcome.

Much Love and God's Best,

Michael

P.S. There is another Mike Cadry on this site. I cannot believe it. For years, there weren't many other Cadry's around. Cool!!

MichaelCadry
September 22nd, 2013, 08:09 PM
Dear freelight,

Yes, He is the source of our exuberance, understanding and mysteries, and our ecstatic happiness, and contentment. There are not yet English words to quite explain how great He is. It just boggles my mind. Oh, how blessed we are to actually have a real God and that it's not all for naught, and that He is really there!!! I already know for a fact because of what He's been in my life, and I used to be like you, believing that He's really there, but not quite knowing positively. Still, before I KNEW He was there, I already believed wholeheartedly that He was. It never crossed my mind that He wasn't at all. Same with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. He's spoken to me. How blessed am I that such would happen. You will all be blessed with the same thing soon. More power to you and thanks for believing!!

Praise Him Forever and Ever,

Michael

MichaelCadry
September 22nd, 2013, 08:26 PM
Dear chrysostom,

Looks like you know what's going on. You are right. We are here to be tested, be refined like silver and polished as well, and be made ready for a heavenly body to live in to replace our spirit's earthly body. We must be tested by whatever the devil might say to us or entice us with, until we can overcome, and be found true, even if it takes a bit of time. None of us can be ready overnight, so it takes some years, for some less than others. I'll be 58 in Oct., chyrs, so it'll be 40 years since the Lord first visited me Himself. It makes me truly realize how long 40 years is and what the Israelis went through in the wilderness of Sinai, and what Jesus did for 40 days without food. I can't go more than 3 days without food. God loves you so dearly and you are on your way to much better things. You will not be sorry for the path you've chosen, chrysostom. Selah!!

God Watch Over You Always,

Michael

MichaelCadry
September 24th, 2013, 03:41 AM
Dear freelight,

I asked you where you got that pic of Spirallight. I suppose an artist drew it somehow. It's gorgeous!! Intriguing and beautiful! Been a while since we've heard from you. What's up doc? Well, it's almost 3am, so I've got to hit the hay. God Bless!

May God Use His Great Imagination To Gift You!!

Michael

freelight
September 24th, 2013, 03:03 PM
Dear freelight,

Where did you get the pic? Wonderful for the guy/gal who painted it!! Just exquisite!!!

One can access Google Images for milllions of pictures to use, most are available in the public domain unless strictly copyrighted.


Jerusalem is facing enemies from all sides. Things for the navel are not looking good but I know God is with her regardless and that it truly will be okay. I already know what's going to happen. And it fulfills scripture. But I can't say, lest it influence the pre-outcome.

Blessings be to Israel always, for that City of Light, is the anchoring fortress and segway to the Heavenly Jerusalem, the citadel where earth and heaven meet. - from that point the Christ reigns, where the anointing touches man. There in that holiness of being, man knows his Oneness with 'God', in his own individuality. All individual souls inhere in the greater Indivisiblity of 'God', whence there is no separation, and only distinction in form and potentiality. 'God' remains the formless Whole from which all things spring.


4:4.1 God is the only stationary, self-contained, and changeless being in the whole universe of universes, having no outside, no beyond, no past, and no future. God is purposive energy (creative spirit) and absolute will, and these are self-existent and universal.

102:7.2 God is the one and only self-caused fact in the universe. He is the secret of the order, plan, and purpose of the whole creation of things and beings. The everywhere-changing universe is regulated and stabilized by absolutely unchanging laws, the habits of an unchanging God. The fact of God, the divine law, is changeless; the truth of God, his relation to the universe, is a relative revelation which is ever adaptable to the constantly evolving universe.

32:5.1 There is a great and glorious purpose in the march of the universes through space. All of your mortal struggling is not in vain. We are all part of an immense plan, a gigantic enterprise, and it is the vastness of the undertaking that renders it impossible to see very much of it at any one time and during any one life. We are all a part of an eternal project which the Gods are supervising and outworking. The whole marvelous and universal mechanism moves on majestically through space to the music of the meter of the infinite thought and the eternal purpose of the First Great Source and Center.

- Urantia Papers (http://www.urantiabook.org/)



pj

freelight
September 24th, 2013, 04:01 PM
~*~*~

Hello all,

The following are excerpts from the 2013 New Year message (http://probablefuture.com/2013.htm) from Jerusalem, followed by my comments.


This is the Godliness.

Man thinks that God is far away, when in fact He is closer than one’s breath.

That negation of Self is what caused man to fall so far from its original purpose.

One must realize that 'God' is the all-pervading, originating and sustaining reality. The 'Self' is that 'original spirit-essence' that is of 'God'....since there is only that one eternal, infinite Being. - all else is temporal, conditional and relative. 'God' remains Absolute.


Many have tried to interpret the Mind of the Godliness, and until now most have failed in their perceptions of the Ultimate Reality. There needs to be absolutely no divide between Creator and creatures.

Nevertheless, the Creator has allowed Himself, until now, to be subject to the mind of the creature in order to experiment with the ultimate free-will.

While freedom of choice conditions the circumstances and outcomes in space-time, the providential will of the Supreme ultimately reigns. The paradox of 'free will' is wholly subsumed and resolved in the final culmination and perfection of divinity.


This is not to be anymore, for the One-and-Only will regain His Throne and engage in guiding His creatures in order to allow for the continuation of the experiment of this and many other Creations.

You all will perceive this fact soon and, as The One becomes an Eternal Permanent reality in your consciousnesses, you will love your selves in Oneness as parts of the One-and-Only and you will love The One for He is constantly Creating you in thoughts in His gigantic Imagination.

And in turn, you will be bathed in Eternal Love and concern for your well-being.

Herein is true creation, from the Heart of 'God', where Love is the ruling principle, the guiding star. In the realization of love, there is no separation, hence love is all-inclusive, wholly one.


We are not more than One Mind separating Itself in concepts and facets. We are all to be united soon into this Holy perception. We shall all be completed and perfected. All will heal. Everything will be corrected. Nothing will remain isolated in thought and perception, for all will be aware of being important levels and parts of the Totality.

One Universal Mind Is. - all else are modifications, aspects, facets, expressions, individuations of this One Mind, the Universal Consciousness. Religious traditions inspired from Original Spirit all intuit a divine perfection and ultimate destiny at the core of existence, from which creation sprung and into which all shall return as the home of all, and the ultimate destiny into which all space-time creation integrates back into. Such is the nature of evolution, as an exercise of creation.


We need not fear, and trust in the process which has just occurred as the Totality of Creation has just turned around from an expression of The One focusing on and manifesting the many, onto a phase of reuniting with the perception of Himself, as The One-as-the many focus from now onward on being The One-and-Only separating Itself so that It can imagine Himself into different parts, perceptions, and operations.

Love always is innovating and reintegrating itself within the collectivity of the whole. Love is the glue of communion. Such is an eternal romance as long as God engages in loving relationships and ongoing creation. All is really The One engaging itself, since nothing but itself was in the beginning, and that One is prior to all beginnings and endings, the context in which all exists. Re-cognition of what is, is the re-turn to 'God'.


pj

MichaelCadry
September 24th, 2013, 09:22 PM
Dear freelight,

Re: Urantia Pages 4:4.1, I do believe that God has a past and a future. Don't know what's being said there.

I do love and agree with what is being said, that God is not far away, but as close as our breath. That does God justice!!

I did check out the music and it's fantastic. I do not know where to go and get these fantastic pictures on the Internet. I'll have to try accessing Google Images and see what can be the cover of my next book, if it be so.

Many Blessings And May The Kind Spirit Of God Be With You,

Michael

freelight
September 25th, 2013, 01:04 AM
Dear freelight,

Re: Urantia Pages 4:4.1, I do believe that God has a past and a future. Don't know what's being said there.


Read it in 'context'. The essence of 'God' is timeless, hence 'Pure God' has no past or future. Definitions of time are only relative to things that come into existence or take on a form in which other forms can relate to in continuum of creation. We could say that 'God' has a 'past' and 'future' only relative to His involvement with-in space-time creation, but God is not dependent on the phenomenal movements or events in space-time for his existence. 'God' all by himself is independent of space and time, such only coming into being within the context of creation. Divine essence is timeless, yet engages all potentials and possibilities in the arena of space, which brings in the perception of 'time'.

More on space and time in my blog-portal here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1191).



I do love and agree with what is being said, that God is not far away, but as close as our breath. That does God justice!!

Closer than hands and feet.


I did check out the music and it's fantastic.

Michael refers to the 'Liquid Mind' video I posted in my 'visitor message' section in my profile (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/member.php?u=1746).




pj

MichaelCadry
September 25th, 2013, 01:59 AM
Dear freelight,

In other words, God is the beginning and ending. Now that I can understand. Now Jesus and God being the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and ending, right? That would mean there was no beginning or ending?? In the beginning was God and there was nothing except Him?

Help.

Michael

servantofChrist
September 25th, 2013, 02:48 AM
The only "remote viewing" I do is with my telescope. I love looking at the Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars.

But the context those two words are being used in in this thread, is completely foreign to the teaching of the Bible, and therefore I want NO PART of it!

Zeke
September 25th, 2013, 09:32 AM
The only "remote viewing" I do is with my telescope. I love looking at the Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars.

But the context those two words are being used in in this thread, is completely foreign to the teaching of the Bible, and therefore I want NO PART of it!

It is only foreign, or fearful to the closed religious mind, You are (holy land temple, heavens, etc..) a micro version of the macro kingdom of God which is why the planets and seasons effect you in so many ways.

Anything religion makes a taboo is something you need to explore for your self, your the captain of your ship so stop being the slave below deck. The letter kills and in-slaves the mind with fear and division, the spirit sets you free.

MichaelCadry
September 25th, 2013, 07:54 PM
Dear Zeke,

I do know what you mean. BTW, it's enslaves. Just trying to help you for next time. Yes, I've learned a larger vocabulary from this thread which has been helpful. I just don't like it when it gets too deep and hard to understand. That shouldn't be.

God Be With You Zeke,

Michael

MichaelCadry
September 25th, 2013, 07:57 PM
Dear freelight,

Could you shed some light on my Post No. 106? Thank you, dude!!

In God's Loving Arms,

Michael

MichaelCadry
September 26th, 2013, 10:48 PM
Dear freelight,

I can't say I know either way. I will have to play wait-and-see what the near future brings. It seems true. I'm talking about the Urantia Papers I read about Jesus' words. Need more time to read more. Saturday, I can read a lot more 'cause I will have a bit more time.

Much Love and God's Best!!

Michael

freelight
September 27th, 2013, 12:42 AM
The only "remote viewing" I do is with my telescope. I love looking at the Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars.

Here a proper understanding and description of what 'remote viewing' is and the metaphysics behind it are provided. That would be the proper platform to begin with, to understand it in context, especially as it relates to the OP and articles on the nature of consciousness as it involves the principle of Oneness, the unity of life. 'God' is One. Nothing exists outside of the universal unity of Spirit. Nothing exists outside of the Infinite Mind or Consciousness of 'God'....therefore the nature of 'being' and 'consciousness' are fundamental.


But the context those two words are being used in in this thread, is completely foreign to the teaching of the Bible, and therefore I want NO PART of it!

Again, understanding it, but more importantly the subject of Oneness and how our use of consciousness inter-faces with-in that oneness, and influences and affects our experience and those around us is the key study here. Many things are not in the Bible, but that doesn't mean we demonize it and get all 'buggy' over it, because we are ignorant of the subject matter or have false preconceptions about it.

Better yet, you can read the OP (opening post) and the article (and all ensuing posts) with an open mind and spirit...and see what its all about really. There is nothing to fear in Love, and the beginning and end to all creation is sourced in truth, goodness and beauty....an adventure of infinite joy and boundless creativity.




pj

freelight
September 27th, 2013, 04:01 AM
Dear freelight,

In other words, God is the beginning and ending. Now that I can understand. Now Jesus and God being the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and ending, right?

Remember, 'God' refers to himself as the beginning and end, first and last....only within respect to time, or the context of 'creation'. Apart from time, the terms 'beginning' or 'end' have no meaning or relation. The timeless aspect of 'God' is therefore unrelatable in terms of 'time'.


That would mean there was no beginning or ending?? In the beginning was God and there was nothing except Him?

In reference to the timeless aspect of 'God', yes.....for 'God' there is no beginning or end to his own Being. 'Beginnings' and 'endings' only refer to movements of space or relationships within creation...in 'time'.

~*~*~

Adventures in space-time (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1191) (blog portal)

~*~*~

The One contains all,....no time....and all time.



pj

MichaelCadry
September 27th, 2013, 09:21 AM
Dear Freelight,

I understand you!! Scary, eh? You see, I have to take these baby steps. Yes, God has no beginning or ending.

Good for me.

God Be With You,

Michael

MichaelCadry
September 27th, 2013, 09:31 PM
Dear freelight,

Where are you at? I believe that God has no beginning or ending. Time will tell. I don't foresee an ending, and we'll just have to ask Him about His beginning when we stand before Him. He's billions of years old!! Isn't it nice to have an Eternal Life?

Much Love and Faith in Christ,

Michael

freelight
September 28th, 2013, 04:34 AM
Dear freelight,

I believe that God has no beginning or ending. Time will tell. I don't foresee an ending, and we'll just have to ask Him about His beginning when we stand before Him. He's billions of years old!! Isn't it nice to have an Eternal Life?

Much Love and Faith in Christ,

Michael


As shared before,....consider 'God' beyond time, where there is no 'beginning' or 'end'. 'Beginnings' or 'endings' only occur in time. In the timeless One, space and time appear within creation as space and energy engage in various movements affecting perception. In timeless Being....there is only that being, independent of anything. 'God' does not need time to be.

I would say "yes",...it is wonderful to have eternal life, since the life of 'God' in me, living as 'me',.....has all the qualities and attributes of its originator, having immortality, or at least immortality-potential. I am that I am, so that any essence of 'being' or 'consciousness' existing... is of the 'Being' and 'Consciousness' of 'God' since nothing can be separate from The Source.




pj

MichaelCadry
September 28th, 2013, 08:33 PM
Dear freelight,

I agree wholeheartedly with that post and do believe the same thing. God never cares about time as much as we do. He's been around a zillion years ago. God doesn't need time to be, as you've said. Now what about Jesus saying I am the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega. He must mean that He's always been, because who can say when Alpha was and when Omega shall be, since it's Eternity. Your new Avatar is the bomb!! Take good care and will post again soon.

In Jesus' Loving Kindness,

Michael

freelight
September 29th, 2013, 06:12 PM
Dear freelight,

I agree wholeheartedly with that post and do believe the same thing. God never cares about time as much as we do. He's been around a zillion years ago. God doesn't need time to be, as you've said.

Time is relative. What is absolute in the purest sense as we define 'God', is 'eternal', yet includes all time.


Now what about Jesus saying I am the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega. He must mean that He's always been, because who can say when Alpha was and when Omega shall be, since it's Eternity.

Again,...'God' or a representative of 'God' is using terms within the context of 'time', hence that one is the 'beginning' and 'end' of God's works within any given dispensation. A creative Agent or 'Creator-Son' thru whom 'God' works...begins and completes a particular creation. Hence that one is the "A" and "Z" of a particular generation. The Infinite ONE however, is the origin and inspiration of endless generations.



Your new Avatar is the bomb!!


Thank you,

It is a sacred symbol of Arcturian (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_races01a.htm) art depicting the concept of 'integration', and bringing forth the soul's true desire. The Arcturians (http://arcturi.com/ArcturianArchives.html) are a very advanced extra-terrestrial race assisting us, among other communities at this time of our planet's ascension, also protecting her from wayward or hostile forces. I'm glad to share some positive Arcturian energy here :)

All beings close to the Creator-Source and loyal to the divine will of Creation are serving the higher good.




pj

MichaelCadry
September 29th, 2013, 09:14 PM
Dear freelight,

I don't believe in the Arcturians or any extraterrestrials. The only ETs are Our Angels, God, Jesus, etc. I'm going to quit posting at your threads because I might be scaring prospective believers away.

Good Bye,

MichaelC

freelight
September 30th, 2013, 04:19 AM
Dear freelight,

I don't believe in the Arcturians or any extraterrestrials. The only ETs are Our Angels, God, Jesus, etc.

Hi Michael,

I was just sharing from a collective of knowledge that exists about the Arcturians and the possibility of other extra-terrestrials that have been in contact with Earth. The Disclosure Project (http://www.disclosureproject.org/) headed by Dr. Steven Greer is a good place to go for collaborating proof of a general cover-up by our government about UFO's and alien contact.

My thread 'ET Theology' covered a lot, but is no longer extant. My surviving thread 'Disclosure Project' (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44284) is in the 'Politics' section, yet I usually prefer to expound upon subjects in the 'Religion' section, exploring the religious and philosophical aspects of various teachings and channels. UFO and ET contactees or those who channel ET entities mostly all agree on universal principles that govern the soul's evolution and progress.


I'm going to quit posting at your threads because I might be scaring prospective believers away.

Not sure how to take that, but all are free to examine and investigate any information or subject, weighing the evidence or value of what is being shared. This thread is on the Oneness of Life which pervades All That Is......because 'God' the prime Creator is One, hence all creation is one as is contained within God. To think that we are the only inhabited planet in the universe is also rather myopic considering the unending potential of space, life-probabilities and other indications of extra-terrestrial beings and civilizations.

Truth has nothing to fear, so the freedom to think for oneself and do your own research is a great blessing. Think of the vast cosmos and infinite possibilities in eternity, and thousands or perhaps millions of inhabited planets, universes, galaxies, stargates, etc. Remember, 'God' the source of life is infinite.



pj

MichaelCadry
October 1st, 2013, 10:52 PM
Dear freelight,

I would have to ponder your last post for awhile, but I am at least, willing. The Earth and this world's people are enough for me right now and I really don't believe in ETs. The only ETs I can believe in the heavens from God are the angels and prophets, and the saints, etc. That's about all I can deal with right now. I guess I might be a bit myopic. I've been that way all my life, and use glasses.

Much Love to You,

Michael

Levolor
October 2nd, 2013, 11:55 AM
The only "remote viewing" I do is with my telescope. I love looking at the Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars.

But the context those two words are being used in in this thread, is completely foreign to the teaching of the Bible, and therefore I want NO PART of it!

It just occurred to me that Jesus may have done some remote viewing.

Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. John 1:48

Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an *** [donkey] tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me. Matthew 22:2

There may be more... those are the only two verses that immediately came to mind.

freelight
October 2nd, 2013, 04:02 PM
Dear freelight,

I would have to ponder your last post for awhile, but I am at least, willing. The Earth and this world's people are enough for me right now and I really don't believe in ETs. The only ETs I can believe in the heavens from God are the angels and prophets, and the saints, etc. That's about all I can deal with right now. I guess I might be a bit myopic. I've been that way all my life, and use glasses.

Much Love to You,

Michael

Salutations from the Infinite One,

Let us recognize that ET's include more than just angels, messiahs, prophets of our traditional religious belief-systems, since we have evidences for ET contacts in our ancient historical archives and legends of this planet, references to UFO's in the Bible (http://www.bibleufo.com/), and thousands of eye-witnesses of UFO's and physical ET contacts (http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/udxen.html) of more recent times ( from the 20th century until now particularly). This is worth investigating. Of course there are a host of modern day channelers or contactees who connect with ET group-minds or individual entities sharing higher spiritual teachings, the most positive of these are concerned with assisting mankind in his spiritual evolution....and diplomatic relations among earth-peoples and ETs, since all are part of one universal Family.

Again, many are encouraging a more full disclosure (http://www.disclosureproject.org/) of things the government is keeping from the general public.

If you're happy in your own 'little bubble' world so to speak, then so be it,....but there is so much more out there to explore, research and discover. No one is pressuring you to investigate the evidence and possibilities here, but resources/records are available to seekers.


Blessings,



pj

freelight
October 2nd, 2013, 04:07 PM
It just occurred to me that Jesus may have done some remote viewing.

Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. John 1:48

Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an *** [donkey] tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me. Matthew 22:2

There may be more... those are the only two verses that immediately came to mind.


It wouldn't be a stretch to see that Jesus had psychic/spiritual powers or abilities beyond the range of most humans, so that would naturally include psi abilities extending beyond the normal space-time barriers/limitations ;)

Adding - What is remote viewing? (http://www.irva.org/remote-viewing/definition.html)



pj

Levolor
October 2nd, 2013, 04:10 PM
It wouldn't be a stretch to see that Jesus had psychic/spiritual powers or abilities beyond the range of most humans, so that would naturally include psi abilities extending beyond the normal space-time barriers/limitations ;)



pj

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. John 14:12

freelight
October 2nd, 2013, 04:16 PM
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. John 14:12

Definitely,...I've always been one to support/encourage the use of our full psychic and spiritual powers :) - these are both innate within and bestowed by the Spirit as special anointings. Every good and perfect gift comes from above (or from Spirit-source). We are all extensions of 'God'.


Om shanti,



pj

Levolor
October 2nd, 2013, 04:33 PM
Definitely,...I've always been one to support/encourage the use of our full psychic and spiritual powers :) - these are both innate within and bestowed by the Spirit as special anointings. Every good and perfect gift comes from above (or from Spirit-source). We are all extensions of 'God'.


Om shanti,



pj

There is a danger with pursing them alone though, a person can become enchanted with those spiritual abilities and not progress, the psychic powers in particular.

It is best, imo, to rely on Matthew 6:33. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

Yes, they shall be added to you. Of course, you are saying this also.

There's a line on one of the spiderman movies: with great power comes responsibility. I say: with great responsibility comes power.

MichaelCadry
October 2nd, 2013, 11:36 PM
Dear freelight,

You know me better than to think I live in a little bubble. It is just that I have my hands FULL of what's of this world and heaven, much less others right now. There is a Great Change coming to this world soon, and I want to keep Totally Attune to it. I hope you won't hold it against me. After Jesus' return, I will chat with Him about other beings. But for now, I am full of helping earth's beings and God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I can't spread myself that thin. You know I love you like a brother, so please understand. You can think about all the things you want to, but I don't have that luxury. I am committed to the work I have to do here on earth. Thanks!

God and Jesus Bless You Tons,

Michael

MichaelCadry
October 4th, 2013, 01:48 AM
Hi freelight,

Hope all is doing well with you tonite. Just wondering if you checked out my latest info about Venus and the New Jerusalem. We're got one more resurrection on Earth and then it's off to Venus. Should be ready by then and it will swing into orbit right about where we are at hear on Earth, when the Lord shakes the heavens and earth. And the earth shall reel to and fro as a drunkard. The Earth waxeth old. Just like Mars did. We are Venus-bound. Right now though, it is poisonous and can't be lived upon, and is surrounded by clouds so that we can't see much about it.

Well, just thought I'd add my two cents in about our future.

In God's Love and Care,

MichaelC

freelight
October 4th, 2013, 03:16 PM
Dear freelight,

You know me better than to think I live in a little bubble. It is just that I have my hands FULL of what's of this world and heaven, much less others right now.


I threw in the 'living in a bubble' as a metaphor ;) - as usual, one can 'interpret' that as they may. One can however be living in a 'bubble' of sorts, without them knowing it, which is fine if it suits them, while a whole universe continues on about them. On that note, we can only 'be' in the present moment, at any point in time or eternity. 'Now' includes all that exists (here and everywhere, within dimension and beyond dimensions).



There is a Great Change coming to this world soon, and I want to keep Totally Attune to it. I hope you won't hold it against me. After Jesus' return, I will chat with Him about other beings. But for now, I am full of helping earth's beings and God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I can't spread myself that thin. You know I love you like a brother, so please understand. You can think about all the things you want to, but I don't have that luxury. I am committed to the work I have to do here on earth. Thanks!

Yes,...change is ever unfolding in a universe of conditional existence, where all things are relative and dependent on other things, within a context of creation adapting and evolving itself by those laws that govern all movements in the cosmos. If we have had ET contact and communications from ancient to modern times, as records show...then its logical to assume or allow the possibility of other planets and star-systems having life, there being varying levels of progress and adaptations on the many different worlds in space. The more highly advanced civilizations would be way ahead of us with technology and/or spirituality, depending on their evolution.

~*~*~

Exopolitics (http://exopolitics.org/)

18159


Selamat Ja! (Sirian (http://www.siriusascension.com/extraterrestrials.htm) for Be in Joy!)



pj

freelight
October 4th, 2013, 04:33 PM
Hi freelight,

Hope all is doing well with you tonite. Just wondering if you checked out my latest info about Venus and the New Jerusalem. We're got one more resurrection on Earth and then it's off to Venus. Should be ready by then and it will swing into orbit right about where we are at hear on Earth, when the Lord shakes the heavens and earth. And the earth shall reel to and fro as a drunkard. The Earth waxeth old. Just like Mars did. We are Venus-bound. Right now though, it is poisonous and can't be lived upon, and is surrounded by clouds so that we can't see much about it.

Well, just thought I'd add my two cents in about our future.

In God's Love and Care,

MichaelC

We note that Venus is the planet of love, and the beings there are of a higher etheric vibration, there being healing schools there as well. We've had some visitation-reports of Venusians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venusians), and other contacts etherically with our sister planet. The planetary Lord Sanat Kumara (http://www.sanatkumara.info/traditions.htm) is believed to be from Venus. 'Venus' also has parallels with 'Lucifer' as the 'son of the morning, bright morning or evening star, yet in this case, it refers to being a 'light-bearer', and not necessarily any connotation with a satanic being or devil. Usually the blond fair-featured Nordic type humanoids are associated with Venusian culture.

"A return to Venus" would be figurative of returning to our etheric home-world or that realm of love-light that is consonant to the 4th or 5th density (dimensional-vibration). Dr. Suzan Caroll shares a message to all Venusians (many of us would be 'Venusians' if we've spent time in that realm between incarnations, etc.) here (http://www.multidimensions.com/Conscious/con_spiritual_venusians.html) (for a background multi-dimensional perspective. A return to Oneness is a re-turning to Source, remembering our origin and destiny...for in Oneness (the timeless One) both are simultaneously co-existing. - the differentials of space-time are but the perception of movements within the play of creation.



pj

MichaelCadry
October 4th, 2013, 10:29 PM
Dear freelight,

See Rev. 2:28, Jesus saying, "And I will give him the morning star (Venus)," to him that overcomes fornication. See Rev. 22:16, Jesus saying He is the bright and morning star (Venus). Just wanted to point these out to you. In the words of Cat Stevens, "He said, we're Venus-bound." (song, "House of Freezing Steel").

And I will give Him the morning star, even as I have received it from My Father. Oh, the things I could tell you about our future, but I must keep it to myself.

PRAISE GOD!!

MichaelC

freelight
October 9th, 2013, 05:01 PM
Dear freelight,

See Rev. 2:28, Jesus saying, "And I will give him the morning star (Venus)," to him that overcomes fornication. See Rev. 22:16, Jesus saying He is the bright and morning star (Venus). Just wanted to point these out to you. In the words of Cat Stevens, "He said, we're Venus-bound." (song, "House of Freezing Steel").

And I will give Him the morning star, even as I have received it from My Father. Oh, the things I could tell you about our future, but I must keep it to myself.

PRAISE GOD!!

MichaelC


Hello Michael and all,

See what I've shared about Venus in previous post,...on Venus and its culture, the etheric realms on that sphere and Venus relationship to our own spiritual evolution. I'm continuing some research on our galactic history, and may re-create a thread on 'ET Theology' (and exopolitics (http://exopolitics.org/)) again, since my former classic thread on that is now in cyber-space.

Thank goodness however that all things (informational sharings) are recorded in the aether (akashic records)...and those dialogues have their place in the unfolding of our own ascension in the Light, as all are expanding consciousness. It is in that light that I share from an ET perspective, our 're-turning to oneness' that is our true home and destiny, since the universal unity of Spirit remains forever present.

It is the 'I Am' Presence, that is our true higher Self, that remains central to all experience and learning. Therefore we give glory and recognition to that divinity, its innate value and culminating beauty expressing as creation. In that cosmic-continuum we look forward in towards the infinite as it unfolds its nature and will in eternity.

Considering again the terms of 'Venus', beyond it being the planet itself and its etheric regions, it continues to represent 'love' and 'light', a Goddess archetype of feminine attributes, in all its reflections as a 'morning' or 'evening' star. Souls may migrate to and from those etheric regions of Venus in their spiritual evolution or transits. Jesus himself however is not a 'planet' so the term 'morning star' is not exclusive to his personality, depicting more a spiritual quality of his nature, in its angelic form or ministry. Jesus is Light inasmuch as he shines as the light of 'God'....as any Son of God is. Hence even Lucifer before his so called 'fall', retained his status as a 'light-bearer'.

When Jesus says overcomers will receive the 'morning star',....what does that symbolize? To me it is a deep impression on many levels, but most primarily the light of divinity, the wedding garment of immortality, the incorruptible nature! It is that pure essence of life itself that triumphs over every adversity. Hence, he giving us the morning star is as a Venusian crown....where we become victors of the Spirit.


To the One Light,



pj

MichaelCadry
October 10th, 2013, 02:06 AM
Hi freelight,

Very insightful pj! I feel I am jumping ahead too far for others when talking about Venus, for we have so much going on in the here and now. But, yes, some day Venus will have people on it like Earth does, and Earth shall be like Mars, a spent planet in a different orbit. 'The earth waxeth old like a garment...', so we shall have a new earth and a New Jerusalem in the distant future.

Jesus Bless You Tons, freelight,

Michael

freelight
October 10th, 2013, 08:08 PM
Hi freelight,

Very insightful pj! I feel I am jumping ahead too far for others when talking about Venus, for we have so much going on in the here and now. But, yes, some day Venus will have people on it like Earth does, and Earth shall be like Mars, a spent planet in a different orbit. 'The earth waxeth old like a garment...', so we shall have a new earth and a New Jerusalem in the distant future.

Jesus Bless You Tons, freelight,

Michael


U bet :)

Let us note however, that the scriptures do speak of this planet (earth) as being 'renewed' and to endure forever more or less being 'indestructible'. The new heavens and new earth are 'anchored' to this planet, and not necessarily indicating another planet. Elsewhere, the earth will be renewed in fire, its core-creation being preserved, further renovated to a 'renewed' state. As far as I know,...the scriptures, ET information and channeled teachings do not prophesy the total destruction of this planet, although the free will choices of its inhabitants do affect conditions on a relative scale, however it appears divine providence and the higher powers that be are holding in place our assured victory. The heart and soul of Earth (Gaia) holds its essence, while undergoing various 'transformations'.

Unless there are major changes in our current solar system, Venus will remain as it is unless modified to accommodate physical life forms or communities, otherwise its etheric cities and underground regions will continue in their course of both natural and spiritual evolution.



pj

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 10th, 2013, 11:54 PM
One possibility of all this could be the same goal spoke of in Genesis 11:1-9. Which speaks of man being one. Babylon the birth place of secret mysteries of inlightenment presented as a way of light, To illuminate mans path to inlightement. This old way is now being brought out of the dark that was cloaked in secret societies, with various symbols, and rituals which speak to the brotherhood. Who are guiding the scattered pieces of humanity back toward their original foundation to rebuild what God tore down, the mystery babylon foretold and warned about. Its goal a one world religion that will denign the biblical model of salvation, the one thing that stands in its way.

logical as a one world may seem to well intentioned people, they also could be takin advantage of through their own benevolence, ignorant of the hidden purpose they have been slowley led to imbrace.


Just one more thing before I leave you to your new age evangelism, to say that your gospel (same as this remote message) isn't connected to Alice Bailey, Manly P Hall, Madam Blavatky, or the other myriads of sources that speak of this Esoteric Masonic Plan is rediculous.
Plus I have listen to remote viewers, and channelers, read alot about your type of spiritism in the past, I may not be able express it as well and polished as you do yours, but I stand behind this so called hype about the intent of your message, you maybe so caught up in your esoteric allegories that you have lost the ability to come back to reality.
You don't get a free pass because you use some biblical lingo, Mason use it for propaganda to push their Kabbalism.

You have a message of ONE, and I have my message of One and they come from oposite sources.

Wow, Zeke. I just had to bump this old thread after reading your slam-dunk assessment from a true awareness of the spirit of antichrist and his ancient plan coming to fruition in utter deception.

Reps coming. Keep exposing the lies of the enemy. Some of us are fighting the good fight with you to expose every vestige of Kabbalah, Kundalini, Tikkun, and all the rest.

Be encouraged. You are appreciated, and you're not alone amidst the vortex of mystical drivel overtaking man's vulnerable arrogance of ignorance.

freelight
October 11th, 2013, 12:43 AM
Wow, Zeke. I just had to bump this old thread after reading your slam-dunk assessment from a true awareness of the spirit of antichrist and his ancient plan coming to fruition in utter deception.

Reps coming. Keep exposing the lies of the enemy. Some of us are fighting the good fight with you to expose every vestige of Kabbalah, Kundalini, Tikkun, and all the rest.

Be encouraged. You are appreciated, and you're not alone amidst the vortex of mystical drivel overtaking man's vulnerable arrogance of ignorance.


Hello spirit-soul-body,

If you follow Zeke's posts (this is an older thread, so some have changed their point of view), you'll see hes changed his opinion and actually agrees more with my own spiritualist allegorical esoteric view of philosophy and religion. Universal truths and esoteric teachings which recognize true principles, symbols and archetypes within the various religions are valid (according to their own terms, meanings and context - thats key), - such precepts being consonant with universal knowledge are not 'drivel', being 'accessible' to those who apply themselves to learning. 'Ignorance' would be the lack of knowledge or enlightenment.

If you're interested in what the thread is really about regarding the Oneness of 'God' and world-events within the past few years, you'll read the opening post and its linked article which expands and elaborates amply on the subject, - especially concerning Jerusalem, the City of Peace...which serves as a 'bridge' between heaven and earth. The Oneness of Spirit is the primary theme here, towards which all life and consciousness is converging, since 'God' is the 'source' and 'center' of All That Is.

Life itself is One, for the universal unity of Spirit pervades and holds all things together.


Namaste :)



pj

MichaelCadry
October 11th, 2013, 01:57 AM
Dear freelight,

Yes, what you just said about Oneness!! God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are One.

In God's Love,

Michael

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 11th, 2013, 02:04 AM
Hello spirit-soul-body,

If you follow Zeke's posts (this is an older thread, so some have changed their point of view), you'll see hes changed his opinion and actually agrees more with my own spiritualist allegorical esoteric view of philosophy and religion. Universal truths and esoteric teachings which recognize true principles, symbols and archetypes within the various religions are valid (according to their own terms, meanings and context - thats key), - such precepts being consonant with universal knowledge are not 'drivel', being 'accessible' to those who apply themselves to learning. 'Ignorance' would be the lack of knowledge or enlightenment.

If you're interested in what the thread is really about regarding the Oneness of 'God' and world-events within the past few years, you'll read the opening post and its linked article which expands and elaborates amply on the subject, - especially concerning Jerusalem, the City of Peace...which serves as a 'bridge' between heaven and earth. The Oneness of Spirit is the primary theme here, towards which all life and consciousness is converging, since 'God' is the 'source' and 'center' of All That Is.

Life itself is One, for the universal unity of Spirit pervades and holds all things together.


Namaste :)



pj

Rather than respond here, I sent you a series of VMs (multiples because of word-count limitations, so read from bottom to top).

I absolutely, assuredly, adamantly, arduously, ardently, vehemently, vociferously, voraciously oppose everything you espouse; knowing it to be the very core of the spirit of antichrist in every respect.

Though I bear you no personal ill will, I must unveil the insidious untruth you represent. I call for it to come to naught; to be cast down; to be plucked up by the roots; to wither and die... in the strong and mighty name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And I pray the deficieny and deceit be obvious to all who are being proselytized and inducted into this web of metaphysical and soulical lies masquerading as cosmic truth.

I further call for the disruption and disbanding of all attempts to attain unto any semblance of uniform and presumed ascendant consciousness as an erroneous perception of belief in evolution of the non-cororeal of man beyond the physical.

My further prayer is that the crooked be made straight, and the rough places plain. In the one and only name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I thank you, Father, in advance for this onslaught of the enemy to be brought to nothing. Hindered. Confused. Disarranged. Exposed. Dissipated.

Thanking you in advance, precious Father, that all be done according to your Word; trusting that I have what I ask from you and that you will bless and keep me in all things.

So be it and Amen.

MichaelCadry
October 11th, 2013, 03:00 AM
Dear Soma,

The real antichrist is Uri Geller, so you have your ammunition directed at the wrong person. I know he is because an actual angel told me, saying "Do not follow after the beast and his image, neither receive his mark/powers in your right hand or forehead (mind)." And the angel explained that the number of this man was six hundred sixty six and that was how many other followers he would urge into having these abilities/powers also, and God would allow no more than that number of persons to be deceived. And that they could buy or sell these powers to others, but no more than six hundred and sixty six persons. (See Rev. 13:18). And the angel further explained to me that this man would have a picture/image in the newspaper with an article alongside of it (that the image should speak), and cause others to believe in him. The angel further explained that this man would not worship the God of His Fathers (being Israeli) but would instead worship a god of forces, using gold (watches), silver (silverware), precious stones (diamonds, etc.) and pleasant things (compasses, small appliances, etc.). And the angel said that this man could move the hands of the watches with his mind and hand, by concentrating, and bend silverware, etc., and the hands of compasses, but that Satan gave him these abilities and that's who was really doing the miracles, not actually this man. And his first name Uri means 'light', the same as Lucifer. This is the honest to God truth about what the angel said to me about this man and this man asked his teacher, "could Jesus do the miracles I can do." thus Antichrist. This is written in his book "Uri Geller." I could expound even more but this is getting lengthy enough. I can vouch for all that is written in this post that it was from the angel that visited me. I can lay my life down that everything I've said here is the absolute truth, but you can't know it, for the angel did not visit you, so you will have to wait and find out a little later.

Much Love In God's Name,

MichaelCadry

freelight
October 11th, 2013, 03:40 AM
Rather than respond here, I sent you a series of VMs (multiples because of word-count limitations, so read from bottom to top).

Hi Pneuma,

My post still stands. This space is meant for 'dialogue' on the subject at hand, not the visitor messages area. For more 'private' matters a PM is suitable, but this is 'open discussion'. You didn't really respond to all my points, or the points shared in the article linked in the OP, which is the center-piece of our discussion here, yet covering the principle of Oneness in its universal scope.


I absolutely, assuredly, adamantly, arduously, ardently, vehemently, vociferously, voraciously oppose everything you espouse; knowing it to be the very core of the spirit of antichrist in every respect.

Well, that's your apparently passionate 'opinion' with which you have issues, which could be misconceived.


Though I bear you no personal ill will, I must unveil the insidious untruth you represent. I call for it to come to naught; to be cast down; to be plucked up by the roots; to wither and die... in the strong and mighty name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Lets keep in mind before getting all 'pious' with the prayers, this is a discussion thread.


And I pray the deficieny and deceit be obvious to all who are being proselytized and inducted into this web of metaphysical and soulical lies masquerading as cosmic truth.

Truth or 'reality' is universal. It therefore includes all levels and dimensions of the cosmos. In God the Infinite there is no deficiency or deceit....although in the realm of perception, there may be varying degrees of 'light' and 'shadow'.


I further call for the disruption and disbanding of all attempts to attain unto any semblance of uniform and presumed ascendant consciousness as an erroneous perception of belief in evolution of the non-cororeal of man beyond the physical.

:noid:


My further prayer is that the crooked be made straight, and the rough places plain. In the one and only name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I thank you, Father, in advance for this onslaught of the enemy to be brought to nothing. Hindered. Confused. Disarranged. Exposed. Dissipated.

:yawn:


Thanking you in advance, precious Father, that all be done according to your Word; trusting that I have what I ask from you and that you will bless and keep me in all things.

So be it and Amen.


Feel better now? You've assumed an 'enemy' and used your ego's energy in service to your concept of 'God' to slay him,....so that should make you feel better.

If you'd like to actually engage the subject in its various dimensions concerning the Oneness of Consciousness,...you're welcome, if you can do so respectfully. There are rules here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55933).



pj

freelight
October 11th, 2013, 04:02 AM
Dear freelight,

Yes, what you just said about Oneness!! God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are One.

In God's Love,

Michael


All joined in the Spirit of the One, are one, since there is only that universal One omnipresent.



pj

MichaelCadry
October 11th, 2013, 04:18 AM
Dear Soma,

I could use one after that. You ought to have more respect of other people's feelings and beliefs. You tend to voice more with the intellect sacrificing the heart. We love God here and Jesus also, and the Holy Spirit. There is very much happening in the world today giving us reason that the Lord Jesus is returning soon enough. Of course we don't know the day or hour, but Jesus did give us some clues as to when that time might be. Give us some space!

In His Love and Admiration,

MichaelCadry

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 11th, 2013, 08:37 AM
free...
Per request to keep subject matter in this thread, I've cordially complied and copy/pasted the contents of our VM convo (below) here into the thread. *There's little need for much exchange. *I made it quite clear I bear you no ill will personally, as you're not the enemy even though deceived BY the enemy.

Your views are all an esoteric diminution and hybridization of the truth of the biblical Gospel of Jesus Christ as the Logos of the one true and living God (YHWH) made flesh.

I don't have to recognize or accept your false mystical occultism of a "Singularity", "Source", etc. as the Kabbalah god. *God is not a collective consciousness of all creation, etc. *It's the abomination of desolation. And to say so is not anything you and others will accuse it to be, based on the prevailing infiltration of demanded "tolerance" for untruth of any and all kinds.

I only came to the thread to respond to zeke's old posts, which is why I responded via VM. *I was simply letting my yea be yea and my nay be nay by communicating directly with you. *It wasn't personal or any of the things you always have to accuse others of if they refuse to agree with your delusion of devils. *My prayer was a appropriate for the sweeping deceit of all such views that you purport. They're insidiously infiltrating the compromised and vulnerable sectarian Churches, along with the Communitarian culture-sculpting of societies over the preceeding generations all the way back to Nimrod. And it's all escalating precipitously, unfortunately.

PPS

Hi, Freelight. *I bear you no personal ill will, for you personally are not the enemy; but I must fight the good fight of faith, and that includes exposing the deceit of the enemy in mystical esotericism and occultic belief systems.

I'm quite enlightened. *I understand the deep and intimate truths of cosmogony, cosmography, and cosmology. *That fundamental breadth of biblical truths is in direct contrast to your purported enlightenment.

Man does not attain, reclaim, retain, or maintain Divinity. *God is not a univeral "force" or spread of shattered pieces or sparks or cumulative consciousness or anything that you have personally expressed or copy/pasted from other authors/sources.

This is the falling away. *The apostasy. *Satan setting himself up in the temple to worshipped AS God. *It's very ancient taoist and alchemical occultic metaphysicism in a plethora of tentacled belief systems coallescing into an attempt to wrest the creation from the Creator, who is the one true and living God, YHWH (which is NOT the god make reference to and claim affiliation with).

Everything you espouse is the very epicenter of human soulical depravity to attain unto collective deity, etc. *This is ALL the parallel, duplicate, counterfeit attempting to usurp the authentic.

I have my senses exercised by reason of use to discern good and evil. *I'm not a dualist. *There is no "Singularity" besides the singular transcendent ousia and processed heavenly-immanent qualitatively two-fold hypostasis of God. *All things are upheld by the Rhema of His power.

I will continue to battle against principalities and powers; against rulers; against wickedness in high places. *That includes literally everything you have been deceived into believing, thinking it the true path to love and light and joy and peace, and all the rest as utopian nirvana of the central synergy you've failed to realize is the enemy of your soul in the guise of something that appeals to every vestige of your flesh and unrenewed mind.

It's sad that zeke has somehow left behind the truth he once espoused while fighting against the scourge of mankind in the form of Kabbalah and all the rest. *I can't bid you godspeed, lest I become partaker of your sins; so I will instead pray God's mercy upon you, and for the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him to displace these most-insidious lies by His grace.

YOUR god is not THE God. *You've been tragically and completely duped by the most diabolical of all deceptions. *You ascribe to be god that which is no god. *God have mercy on you and your peers.


freelight

I've responded to your post in my 'Return to Oneness' thread, and prefer that dialogue/debate on the subject be entertained there, for that's the purpose of the thread. You did not respond to the points in my post, neither address the points shared in the article linked in the OP, which is the purpose of the thread, also relating the metaphysical principle of oneness on a universal scale as it pertains to our spiritual evolution and reunion with Source.

I disagree with many of your pre and mis-conceptions below and the general condescending tone and attitude with which it is presented, especially the self-righteous prayers and posturing. I'd familiarize yourself with my threads and posts first before judging (most of my classic threads were deleted in the last server-upgrade, see here). - so slowly working back into creating some new threads to replace those - if you'd like to engage in creative dialogue in the threads, you're welcome,...but from what I see so far, you're not engaging the subject or points really, but just judging, condemning and nay-saying, then capping it off with a prayer to 'god' which comes off as close-minded, preachy, judgmental and arrogant. I dont see that as helping your case at all.


There is no "metaphysical principle of oneness on a universal scale as it pertains to our spiritual evolution and reunion with Source". There's only the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the underlying foundational objective truth of reality and existence by the Rhema of YHWH, the one true and living God of ALL creation.

I needn't acquiesce to your Universalistic and/or Kabbalistic silliness of antichrist that God is what you and all the channelers portend.

You speak adamantly and freely of the delusion your purport to be the truth. I speak against it in accordance with the foundation of true salvific faith in the one true and living God who is NOT the "Source", "Singularity", and all the rest of the mystical and Kabbalistic terminology you utilize.

You will mis-characterize anything that comes against your false belief system as some kind of hate-mongering and many other things. It's not. It's a stand for the spiritual and scriptural truth against the wiles of the enemy who has deluded many by such self-absorbed gnosticism of the depraved human mind.

We aren't part or an extension or a collective of a universal consciousness. There's isn't one thing you represent that's the truth, though it's all dressed in a "Christian" wrapper of semantics.

I don't do any despite to the one true Gospel of the one true and living God and His Son and Spirit by exposing and coming against all that you present as a counterfeit to every objective and substantial spiritual truth.

Your demanded tolerance is part of the overall plan, feigning peace and love. A calm soft-spoken tantric demeanor is not peace and love, though it presumes to be.

I don't think anything you say is inherently malicious by intent. I'm convinced you truly believe all this. All the more reason to decry it vociferously as the deception of silliness that it all is. I'm deeply grieved that you have been duped. And as I said, you are not the enemy, though utterly deceived BY the enemy.

Spin it as you will, but it's my stand for truth against mystical and occult hybridization of the Gospel at the very highest level of gnostic esotericism of man's own deluded mind, aspiring to be/become god, etc.

It's Kabbalah, and much more. Ancient Babylonian Mysticism cannot represent or encompass the true Christian faith of YHWH and Yeshua. It masquerades as the counterfeit within. I let the tares grow. I don't need to pluck them, just teach and stand for the truth.

Again, I can't wish you godspeed, so I'll just bid you adieux. :)

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 11th, 2013, 09:27 AM
Dear Soma,

The real antichrist is Uri Geller, so you have your ammunition directed at the wrong person. I know he is because an actual angel told me, saying "Do not follow after the beast and his image, neither receive his mark/powers in your right hand or forehead (mind)." And the angel explained that the number of this man was six hundred sixty six and that was how many other followers he would urge into having these abilities/powers also, and God would allow no more than that number of persons to be deceived. And that they could buy or sell these powers to others, but no more than six hundred and sixty six persons. (See Rev. 13:18). And the angel further explained to me that this man would have a picture/image in the newspaper with an article alongside of it (that the image should speak), and cause others to believe in him. The angel further explained that this man would not worship the God of His Fathers (being Israeli) but would instead worship a god of forces, using gold (watches), silver (silverware), precious stones (diamonds, etc.) and pleasant things (compasses, small appliances, etc.). And the angel said that this man could move the hands of the watches with his mind and hand, by concentrating, and bend silverware, etc., and the hands of compasses, but that Satan gave him these abilities and that's who was really doing the miracles, not actually this man. And his first name Uri means 'light', the same as Lucifer. This is the honest to God truth about what the angel said to me about this man and this man asked his teacher, "could Jesus do the miracles I can do." thus Antichrist. This is written in his book "Uri Geller." I could expound even more but this is getting lengthy enough. I can vouch for all that is written in this post that it was from the angel that visited me. I can lay my life down that everything I've said here is the absolute truth, but you can't know it, for the angel did not visit you, so you will have to wait and find out a little later.

Much Love In God's Name,

MichaelCadry

I believe an angel visited you. I believe you are convinced it was an angel of the Lord instead of what it actually was. And yes, all mystics and illusionists who practice sorcery and divination and channeling are of the spirit of antichrist, including Uri Geller.

You are not an oracle of God, nor have you heard from an oracle of God. It's one vestige of strong delusion among many.

Much love and truth. His Word is truth, and naught else.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 11th, 2013, 10:01 AM
Hi Pneuma,

My post still stands. This space is meant for 'dialogue' on the subject at hand, not the visitor messages area. For more 'private' matters a PM is suitable, but this is 'open discussion'.

Fair enough. I've copied that VM discourse into the thread.


You didn't really respond to all my points, or the points shared in the article linked in the OP, which is the center-piece of our discussion here, yet covering the principle of Oneness in its universal scope.

I don't need to respond to individual points. The entire topic is delusion. I need not be considered arrogant, condescending, or obtuse to expose it as such.


Well, that's your apparently passionate 'opinion' with which you have issues, which could be misconceived.

Amazing you always attribute opposing views to be merely "opinion", yet your lengthy occultic pontifications are utter fact of truth. You nor your peers are oracles of God. Your God is not the actual one true and living God of all creation. Your god IS creation, in many diverse manners.


Lets keep in mind before getting all 'pious' with the prayers, this is a discussion thread.

It wasn't pious. It was quite serious. All this nonsense is a legitimate and pervasive threat to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It needs to be clearly identified and exposed as the delusion that it actually is. It's the height of man's arrogancy, feigning love and peace and light. The ultimate sense of soulish self in man. Ascending to be as the Most High. You're not. We're not. God is not a collective consciousness of creation, or however you refer to the many facets of these layers of belief.


Truth or 'reality' is universal.

No. The hypostasis of God is reality, and His Logos is truth. Nothing else. There is ONE central foundational objective truth AND reality of existence. YHWH. And YHWH is NOT whom you're referring to in the least.


It therefore includes all levels and dimensions of the cosmos.

The cosmos is merely a disposable canvass for a portrait. Temporality.


In God the Infinite there is no deficiency or deceit....

In YHWH, that's exactly true. But in YOUR god of cumulative and collective consciousness, there is ONLY deficiency and deceit.


although in the realm of perception, there may be varying degrees of 'light' and 'shadow'.

Yes. The views you espouse are all shadow. Vapor. No substance.


:noid:
:yawn:

:chuckle::p



Feel better now?

I "feel" no better or worse. Emotions are soul faculties. I'm not driven by soulishness. I've resisted untruth.


You've assumed an 'enemy'

Nope. I've identified the enemy.


and used your ego's energy

I don't have an "ego's energy". That's more of the esoteric drivel you've embraced.


in service to your concept of 'God' to slay him,....

Ummm... nope. I don't have a "concept of God". I intimately know the one true and living God, YHWH. There is no other, including a cumulative collective of created consciousness, etc.

And I'm not the one slaying anything. But your attempts will come to naught in the end.


so that should make you feel better.

You really shouldn't project your sorcery and divination upon others.


If you'd like to actually engage the subject in its various dimensions concerning the Oneness of Consciousness,...

It's a non-existent subject of a non-existent Oneness of Consciousness. A sham. Delusion of the highest level. Kabbalah drivel. Babylonian occultic mysticism of the highest order.


you're welcome, if you can do so respectfully. There are rules here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55933).
pj

I'm free to oppose the kingdoms of this world coming against the kingdom of God, even if the deluded proponents erroneously think their cosmic gnosticism is true enlightenment and display a tantric demeanor of alleged peace and love, while demanding tolerance and amidst accusations of hate-mongering and the like.

I don't disrespect other persons by exposing and decrying such egregiously humanistic esotericism of the depraved human mind attempting to ascend to divinity, or whatever.

I don't impugn you or others personally with any malice or hate. I stand against the false enlightenment you espouse, and the potential deception of others by all this silliness that denies the one true and living God, YHWH.

There is no Oneness. I'm discussing it. Your oracle "isn't". You aren't. You're just corruptible flesh in need of a Savior. Assent with misplaced belief is not true faith. Faith cometh by hearing the Rhema. This isn't the Rhema, so faith has not come. You've heard another truth instead of the Word. "A" Rhema is not "THE" Rhema.

I just speak the truth in love. True agape love.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 11th, 2013, 10:18 AM
Dear Soma,

I could use one after that.

You could use one what? A soma?


You ought to have more respect of other people's feelings and beliefs.

Why? I needn't respect ancient esoteric occultic beliefs and practices to respect a person themselves. I don't share your entitlement of tolerance. I prefer to stand FOR truth and AGAINST untruth. It has nothing to do with the person/s espousing deception and the like.


You tend to voice more with the intellect sacrificing the heart.

You presume much, and it's the invese. All this esoteric nonsense is purely in the depraved minds of man attempting to ascend to divinity.


We love God here

It's not agape. It's not YHWH. It's soulish, not spiritual.


and Jesus also, and the Holy Spirit.

No. "A" god. "A" Jesus. "A" Holy Spirit. Not "THE".


There is very much happening in the world today giving us reason that the Lord Jesus is returning soon enough.

Indeed, including rampant mysticism with all the trappings of alleged extra-terrestrials, and endless layers of other depraved nonsense.

It's all delusion.


Of course we don't know the day or hour, but Jesus did give us some clues as to when that time might be. Give us some space!

I give no place to the devil. There isn't a cumulative collective as "Oneness of Consciousness" of creation. And my heart is grieved over this pervasive deception to supplant the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Desert Reign
October 11th, 2013, 10:35 AM
I absolutely, assuredly, adamantly, arduously, ardently, vehemently, vociferously, voraciously oppose everything you espouse; knowing it to be the very core of the spirit of antichrist in every respect.

Your problem PSS is that for someone who does not believe in Christ the way you do, telling them that they have the spirit of the anti-christ is useless. If they do not believe in Christ, they do not believe in the anti-christ either. Whether you oppose it vociferously and vehemently or not is for others to judge. Surely, your only duty is to preach the Gospel in all humility and patience and (as I think St. Francis of Asissi said,) if necessary, use words. I think you went slightly overboard with the words.

freelight
October 11th, 2013, 03:18 PM
free...

Your views are all an esoteric diminution and hybridization of the truth of the biblical Gospel of Jesus Christ as the Logos of the one true and living God (YHWH) made flesh.

My views are just that, views....looking out from The One that IS....which includes all, and is all. Consciousness itself is the context in which all arises, so encompasses itself as 'One' and 'All'. Reality is not a 'diminution' or 'hybridization' of anything, which are but your own 'definitions'.


I don't have to recognize or accept your false mystical occultism of a "Singularity", "Source", etc. as the Kabbalah god. *God is not a collective consciousness of all creation, etc.

No one is asking you to accept the oneness of God, and that oneness does include 'God' as a 'Monad' or 'Singular source' of existence, no matter how 'God' is individualized, personalized, divided or distributed in his personality-expression, attributes or qualities...wherein 'God' inter-relates with creation. We recognize that 'God' (Spirit, Infinite Intelligence) is One, an indivisible whole expressing within a manifold creation. 'God' is the First Source and Center of all, and from this foundation all else exists in their various relations.



I only came to the thread to respond to zeke's old posts, which is why I responded via VM. *I was simply letting my yea be yea and my nay be nay by communicating directly with you.

It looks like a whole lot more intellectualizing, denominating and 'judging' than heeding Jesus instructions to let your conversation just be 'yeah' or nay'. You may need to go back to the OP (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2246856&postcount=1) and see what the subject here is, since 'God' is One.....and all souls spring from that One and return to that One. Recognition of that unity of Life in which we inhere is the subject here, explored and described from various schools and points of view. The fundamental reality we call 'God' ever remains at the Heart. This reality is prior to and beyond words or concepts. It IS.



*It wasn't personal or any of the things you always have to accuse others of if they refuse to agree with your delusion of devils. *My prayer was a appropriate for the sweeping deceit of all such views that you purport. They're insidiously infiltrating the compromised and vulnerable sectarian Churches, along with the Communitarian culture-sculpting of societies over the preceeding generations all the way back to Nimrod. And it's all escalating precipitously, unfortunately.

The only one alluding to 'delusions' or 'devils' is you. Consciousness remains as the primary reality behind all existence, that universal Spirit-source that is our Father-Mother (in a relational-familial sense). Re-turning to 'God' is returning to the primordial oneness at the heart of all. LOVE.


pj

freelight
October 11th, 2013, 03:58 PM
freelight,


There is no "metaphysical principle of oneness on a universal scale as it pertains to our spiritual evolution and reunion with Source". There's only the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the underlying foundational objective truth of reality and existence by the Rhema of YHWH, the one true and living God of ALL creation.

'God' is One. God is Spirit, Life, Being, Consciousness, Truth, Love, Light. 'God' is fundamentally the source of every-thing, the 'no-thing' from which 'every-thing' springs.


I needn't acquiesce to your Universalistic and/or Kabbalistic silliness of antichrist that God is what you and all the channelers portend.

You speak adamantly and freely of the delusion your purport to be the truth. I speak against it in accordance with the foundation of true salvific faith in the one true and living God who is NOT the "Source", "Singularity", and all the rest of the mystical and Kabbalistic terminology you utilize.

We have a thread on Kabbalah here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63721). 'God' is One.



We aren't part or an extension or a collective of a universal consciousness. There's isn't one thing you represent that's the truth, though it's all dressed in a "Christian" wrapper of semantics.

Again, Consciousness is all there is,...it is fundamental, eternal, unchanging in its essence (as 'awareness'). However sharing this truth is 'wrapped' is but cosmetics, lingual dressing. I stand with Jesus in recognizing that "I and the Father are One". Spirit is the primary reality, - recognizing that is a spirit-to spirit recognition (duality-perception), the inner witness. But all is still of the One Universal Spirit (non-duality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism)).


I don't do any despite to the one true Gospel of the one true and living God and His Son and Spirit by exposing and coming against all that you present as a counterfeit to every objective and substantial spiritual truth.

There is no 'enemy' but in your own mind.


Your demanded tolerance is part of the overall plan, feigning peace and love. A calm soft-spoken tantric demeanor is not peace and love, though it presumes to be.

Truth is not threatened by anything, neither does it need an apology or 'apologist' necessarily. Love is inherently tolerable because it sees thru all that is not like itself, and continues to remain true to itself.


I don't think anything you say is inherently malicious by intent. I'm convinced you truly believe all this. All the more reason to decry it vociferously as the deception of silliness that it all is. I'm deeply grieved that you have been duped. And as I said, you are not the enemy, though utterly deceived BY the enemy.

Again,...there is no 'enemy' in the universal oneness inherent in the divine nature, for such is only in the play of duality-perception wherein dual forces or multiple powers contend against each other in various tensions. See dialectical monism (http://naturyl.humanists.net/diamon.html). In the play of 'yin' and 'yang', the one over-arching and pervading oneness ever holds...and so its integrity and totality remains all-supreme, indivisible, absolute, ultimate.


Spin it as you will, but it's my stand for truth against mystical and occult hybridization of the Gospel at the very highest level of gnostic esotericism of man's own deluded mind, aspiring to be/become god, etc.

Your mistake is assuming these universal truths and recognitions for being an 'enemy' to your narrow concept of the gospel, limited to your own intellectual constructs. Truth needs no apology, but only recognition. The Oneness of Life is a universal truth, since its source is ever One.


It's Kabbalah, and much more. Ancient Babylonian Mysticism cannot represent or encompass the true Christian faith of YHWH and Yeshua. It masquerades as the counterfeit within. I let the tares grow. I don't need to pluck them, just teach and stand for the truth.

Kaballah (http://kabbalah.com/) has many wonderful truths, but is of course limited to its own conceptual terms, language and context. The beauty of 'truth' is its availability. In this the Perennial Wisdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy) holds eternally.


Again, I can't wish you godspeed, so I'll just bid you adieux. :)

'Godspeed' is a concept of course,...so whether it can or cant be wished on anyone is relative to the wisher :)


Blessings,



pj

MichaelCadry
October 11th, 2013, 04:23 PM
Dear Soma,

I know a true angel of God visited me and nothing you say will change that truth. I've had a number of angels visit me, and a number of visits from the Holy Spirit, and a couple awesome visions, and even the Lord Himself visited me initially. You don't know me or what I've been through, so keep it to yourself unless you know the facts! I notice no angel has visited you or you would have said so. My angel was not an 'angel' of the devil, but three angels from God, whether you believe it or not. If you were so knowing, you'd know that I was truly visited by real angels. But since you think not, it is you who is being deceived by the devil and your word is not of God Himself. I'm not asking you to believe me or not, because I know that would be too difficult to do. But don't say they were not angels of God, when they were indeed!!

God Help You,

MichaelC

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 11th, 2013, 06:45 PM
My views are just that, views....looking out from The One that IS....which includes all, and is all. Consciousness itself is the context in which all arises, so encompasses itself as 'One' and 'All'. Reality is not a 'diminution' or 'hybridization' of anything, which are but your own 'definitions'.

No one is asking you to accept the oneness of God, and that oneness does include 'God' as a 'Monad' or 'Singular source' of existence, no matter how 'God' is individualized, personalized, divided or distributed in his personality-expression, attributes or qualities...wherein 'God' inter-relates with creation. We recognize that 'God' (Spirit, Infinite Intelligence) is One, an indivisible whole expressing within a manifold creation. 'God' is the First Source and Center of all, and from this foundation all else exists in their various relations.

It looks like a whole lot more intellectualizing, denominating and 'judging' than heeding Jesus instructions to let your conversation just be 'yeah' or nay'. You may need to go back to the OP (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2246856&postcount=1) and see what the subject here is, since 'God' is One.....and all souls spring from that One and return to that One. Recognition of that unity of Life in which we inhere is the subject here, explored and described from various schools and points of view. The fundamental reality we call 'God' ever remains at the Heart. This reality is prior to and beyond words or concepts. It IS.

The only one alluding to 'delusions' or 'devils' is you. Consciousness remains as the primary reality behind all existence, that universal Spirit-source that is our Father-Mother (in a relational-familial sense). Re-turning to 'God' is returning to the primordial oneness at the heart of all. LOVE.

pj


'God' is One. God is Spirit, Life, Being, Consciousness, Truth, Love, Light. 'God' is fundamentally the source of every-thing, the 'no-thing' from which 'every-thing' springs.

We have a thread on Kabbalah here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63721). 'God' is One.

Again, Consciousness is all there is,...it is fundamental, eternal, unchanging in its essence (as 'awareness'). However sharing this truth is 'wrapped' is but cosmetics, lingual dressing. I stand with Jesus in recognizing that "I and the Father are One". Spirit is the primary reality, - recognizing that is a spirit-to spirit recognition (duality-perception), the inner witness. But all is still of the One Universal Spirit (non-duality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism)).

There is no 'enemy' but in your own mind.

Truth is not threatened by anything, neither does it need an apology or 'apologist' necessarily. Love is inherently tolerable because it sees thru all that is not like itself, and continues to remain true to itself.

Again,...there is no 'enemy' in the universal oneness inherent in the divine nature, for such is only in the play of duality-perception wherein dual forces or multiple powers contend against each other in various tensions. See dialectical monism (http://naturyl.humanists.net/diamon.html). In the play of 'yin' and 'yang', the one over-arching and pervading oneness ever holds...and so its integrity and totality remains all-supreme, indivisible, absolute, ultimate.

Your mistake is assuming these universal truths and recognitions for being an 'enemy' to your narrow concept of the gospel, limited to your own intellectual constructs. Truth needs no apology, but only recognition. The Oneness of Life is a universal truth, since its source is ever One.

Kaballah (http://kabbalah.com/) has many wonderful truths, but is of course limited to its own conceptual terms, language and context. The beauty of 'truth' is its availability. In this the Perennial Wisdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy) holds eternally.

'Godspeed' is a concept of course,...so whether it can or cant be wished on anyone is relative to the wisher :)

Blessings,

pj

There isn't one ounce of truth in anything you have said. You have exchanged a lie for the truth, and worship the creation rather than the Creator.

What you hold to be the truth is a lie. It's that simple.

freelight
October 12th, 2013, 12:34 AM
There isn't one ounce of truth in anything you have said. You have exchanged a lie for the truth, and worship the creation rather than the Creator.


Truth includes the reality of both 'Creator' (or 'Creative Intelligence') and 'Creation'. There is consciousness and all that consciousness imagines, visualizes, and observes in the play of creation. Such is the dual play of synergy within The One (dialectical monism (http://naturyl.humanists.net/diamon.html)).

For more on the inter-play of 'creation' and 'evolution', go here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3593111&postcount=314).


What you hold to be the truth is a lie. It's that simple.

'Truth' is what actually exists as fundamental, and awareness itself is what is fundamental, unchanging and always already present, and includes all that it perceives and knows (within 'consciousness'). Awareness is absolute, what it perceives is relative as modified/translated/interpreted by 'mind'. Awareness itself is always primal.

~*~*~

Other insights on 'God' -

4:4.1 God is the only stationary, self-contained, and changeless being in the whole universe of universes, having no outside, no beyond, no past, and no future. God is purposive energy (creative spirit) and absolute will, and these are self-existent and universal.

4:4.2 Since God is self-existent, he is absolutely independent. The very identity of God is inimical to change. “I, the Lord, change not.” God is immutable; but not until you achieve Paradise status can you even begin to understand how God can pass from simplicity to complexity, from identity to variation, from quiescence to motion, from infinity to finitude, from the divine to the human, and from unity to duality and triunity. And God can thus modify the manifestations of his absoluteness because divine immutability does not imply immobility; God has will — he is will.

4:4.3 God is the being of absolute self-determination; there are no limits to his universe reactions save those which are self-imposed, and his freewill acts are conditioned only by those divine qualities and perfect attributes which inherently characterize his eternal nature. Therefore is God related to the universe as the being of final goodness plus a free will of creative infinity.

-UB (http://www.urantiabook.org/home)

MichaelCadry
October 12th, 2013, 03:35 AM
Dear freelight,

Very great job, dude! God be with you. I gave your thread a better star rating.

In Christ's Love,

Michael

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 12th, 2013, 08:20 AM
Truth includes the reality of both 'Creator' (or 'Creative Intelligence') and 'Creation'. There is consciousness and all that consciousness imagines, visualizes, and observes in the play of creation. Such is the dual play of synergy within The One (dialectical monism (http://naturyl.humanists.net/diamon.html)).

For more on the inter-play of 'creation' and 'evolution', go here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3593111&postcount=314).

'Truth' is what actually exists as fundamental, and awareness itself is what is fundamental, unchanging and always already present, and includes all that it perceives and knows (within 'consciousness'). Awareness is absolute, what it perceives is relative as modified/translated/interpreted by 'mind'. Awareness itself is always primal.

~*~*~

Other insights on 'God' -

4:4.1 God is the only stationary, self-contained, and changeless being in the whole universe of universes, having no outside, no beyond, no past, and no future. God is purposive energy (creative spirit) and absolute will, and these are self-existent and universal.

4:4.2 Since God is self-existent, he is absolutely independent. The very identity of God is inimical to change. “I, the Lord, change not.” God is immutable; but not until you achieve Paradise status can you even begin to understand how God can pass from simplicity to complexity, from identity to variation, from quiescence to motion, from infinity to finitude, from the divine to the human, and from unity to duality and triunity. And God can thus modify the manifestations of his absoluteness because divine immutability does not imply immobility; God has will — he is will.

4:4.3 God is the being of absolute self-determination; there are no limits to his universe reactions save those which are self-imposed, and his freewill acts are conditioned only by those divine qualities and perfect attributes which inherently characterize his eternal nature. Therefore is God related to the universe as the being of final goodness plus a free will of creative infinity.

-UB (http://www.urantiabook.org/home)


What you don't realize is that I recognize, comprehend, and understand everything you write, quote, or link. It's not a deficiency of information or insight that causes me to expose your false mystical occultism. It's not fear or ignorance or another delusion that provokes a response from me.

I know all of this, and I know the truth. They aren't the same, and they aren't even compatible.

It's the abomination of desolation... IN YOU. Your heart is the problem. That which is in your heart as God is NOT God, yet you're worshipping it as God.

There is no dualism. There is only truth. All of this is YOUR false perception, and all the other deluded minions of your NON-faith. If only your heart would have heard the Rhema.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 12th, 2013, 08:42 AM
freelight...

I'll add this, as well... Your distillation of various/many schools regarding all this DOES give a very clear view of the counterfeit; possibly the clearest I've encountered.

It's actually very helpful because it's so integrated. I've been able to glean several nuggets to focus upon in the coallescence of it all, as it shows me more clearly where the spirit of antichrist is "herding" all this.

I'm pleasantly surprised. You're one of the best sources for info to teach and preach against all this drivel by contrast to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You provide a concise apophatic to warn others against while teaching the cataphatic truth of scripture.

In other words, "don't step HERE in this pile" while pursuing truth. What an invaluable resource you are for exposing the lie while proclaiming the truth.

If only you'd heard THE Rhema instead of other rhemas.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 12th, 2013, 08:59 AM
Like this excerpt...


11. The human can create wondrous worlds in a dream in the same way that Creation consciously creates the worlds.

12. To the human, this capability arises from his consciousness, which is available in existence within himself in the same way that all wonders are available within himself.

13. He himself is the realm of heaven, the realm of the Creational.


LOL. No Creator. Only "Creation" and "the Creational", all with and as man's consciousness.

Man as god. Man as the realm of heaven. Man, man, man. All man.

I'm reading through all your sources. They're a gold mine for contrasting all those lies to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 12th, 2013, 09:12 AM
And this...


49. It is a sign of human weakness when religions and their false teachings are presented as an instrument of the Creational and wisdom thereby becomes unreal.

...conveniently impugning ALL religions, while avoiding the fact that this amalgamation of silly beliefs IS a religion, and it/they make/s itself/themselves AND its/their alleged wisdom unreal by presenting an instrument of the Creational.

It's all self-refuting nonsense. Hilarious, but serious. It's where all the delusion is going, for sure.

These are an organized system of beliefs relative to the metaphysical and that are important to a person or group, etc.. Such an organized system of beliefs is a religion. You've joined, founded, expounded, delineated, etc. a religion.

The Dialectic. A consensus of men as designated absolute authority.

John Mortimer
October 12th, 2013, 09:14 AM
Great statement, freelight...




'Truth' is what actually exists as fundamental, and awareness itself is what is fundamental, unchanging and always already present, and includes all that it perceives and knows (within 'consciousness'). Awareness is absolute, what it perceives is relative as modified/translated/interpreted by 'mind'. Awareness itself is always primal.



This is what the Christian theologian Paul Tillich was indicating in the book "The Courage To Be" by the expression, "God behind God". THAT which is prior to consciousness and the manifestations of consciousness. Although words and therefore concepts can only point to the Absolute, (The Parabrahman, the Supreme State...all titles are inadequate), there is perhaps a parallel in the experience of the body-mind. The one and only constant fundamental in the experience of the body-mind is the sense of presence, the wordless "I am". Without consciousness and the forms that manifest therein the Awareness prevails and yet is not aware of itself. The unborn, undying, supreme awareness is the immutable eternal. Concepts such as "truth" arise only when consciousness arises within Awareness and vanish when consciousness subsides. Yet if anything is indicated by the concept of "absolute truth" it must be that primal fundamental awareness without which there could be no consciousness and therefore no, "I am"...no God, no creation.

freelight
October 12th, 2013, 07:36 PM
What you don't realize is that I recognize, comprehend, and understand everything you write, quote, or link. It's not a deficiency of information or insight that causes me to expose your false mystical occultism. It's not fear or ignorance or another delusion that provokes a response from me.

I know all of this, and I know the truth. They aren't the same, and they aren't even compatible.

Remember,...Reality is that which is. It is wordless and timeless, omnipresent. The sharings from a non-dual and universal perspective from many points of view, are just that...pointing to the Truth that is. There is no presumption here or concept being pre-supposed, neither a 'denomination' assumed, since 'reality' is prior to and beyond such, ...yet includes all points of view. In this case I take the view of 'Advaita Vedanta' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta)(non-duality (http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/nonduality/)),...the direct-path approach to Self-realization, because recognizing the 'Self' which is the essence of pure awareness....is all there is to realize, while all 'else' are only perceptions, observations and concepts entertained by mind. The Self-luminous being that is....shines of its own nature,.....as 'light'. I am that. 'That' is all there is.


It's the abomination of desolation... IN YOU.

That term can be variously 'interpreted' ;)


Your heart is the problem. That which is in your heart as God is NOT God, yet you're worshipping it as God.

If I would deny the reality of 'God' in my own 'being', I would deny truth altogether....since my own 'being' could not be apart from 'God'. On another level, we recognize 'God' as the Heart itself, the epi-center.


There is no dualism.

There is duality and plurality in the realm of creation, where space and time inflect the full spectrum and possibilities of relative and conditional perceptions. The realm of the 'non-dual' is that universal God-Presence that is not 'two', but allows the perception of duality and all the variations of creation to arise in the play of consciousness.


There is only truth.

Indeed, 'God'(Consciousness) is all there is.


All of this is YOUR false perception, and all the other deluded minions of your NON-faith. If only your heart would have heard the Rhema.

More concepts :) Any 'faith' I have is from the Spirit, since grace and faith still avail themselves. The pure in heart see 'God', so that purity of heart and clarity of vision is all that is essential. That is all.

From your terminology, whether one hears a 'rhema' word....or some extension of the 'logos' word,....what really matters is that one recognizes (re-acquaints) himself with truth, which a pure heart affords because that vision is unstained by the ego,..it sees the true light of its own being. That 'being' is 'God',...but 'God' is still more than that, since 'God' is infinite.



pj

Quincy
October 12th, 2013, 07:43 PM
What you don't realize is that I recognize, comprehend, and understand everything you write, quote, or link. It's not a deficiency of information or insight that causes me to expose your false mystical occultism. It's not fear or ignorance or another delusion that provokes a response from me.

I think perhaps you don't quite understand syncretism and how freelight employs it. After reading through the last couple pages, I have to say I don't think you are properly inferring what freelight means at all. You are pulling from your own knowledge banks and ascribing that material to freelight's words. Regardless, I don't mean to be rude but it just strikes me that you are overreacting, with the anti-christ accusations, especially.

freelight
October 12th, 2013, 08:02 PM
freelight...

I'll add this, as well... Your distillation of various/many schools regarding all this DOES give a very clear view of the counterfeit; possibly the clearest I've encountered.

Since 'God' is the ever-present One, the recognition of 'that' does not allow for a so called 'counterfiet' of anything, except recognizing that the 'mind' is subject to the illusions of space-time perception in its so called 'human-experience'. Returning to the central reality which is at the heart of all that is......is most logical, since it is fundamental. It is in that primal awareness where consciousness and all its contents arise. This 'light' is where all begins and ends....and yet if we define that 'light' as 'God',....it has all the qualities and attributes of Deity...so it is eternal, infinite, immutable, indivisible, absolute. - everything else is 'relative'.

This is why I recommend drawing from truths found in 'non-duality' from the great teachers in the Advaita Vedanta tradition such as Ramana Maharshi (http://bhagavan-ramana.org/ramanateaching.html) and Nisargadatta Maharaj (http://nisargadatta.org/)....for starters :) - from this lineage we learn the great insights of the Vedic tradition. All points back to the eternal 'Self', where the 'atman' (individual soul) and 'Brahman' (Supreme Being) are one and the same, since in essence they are not different from one another, since there is in reality, only that 'Self' existing although in the various reflections of manifold creation which are like fragmented mirrors which the omnipresent One sees himself, as a play of illusion (maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion))). But to dive into this one must inspect his own condition in life, and experience Self-realization for himself. One is already that 'light' but is unaware of it, due to the illusions of the mind(ego) and its distortions/mis-identifications. However the 'Self'(atman/Brahman) is already 'illumined' being the Light itself, untainted and unstained by the mind's conditioning.


It's actually very helpful because it's so integrated. I've been able to glean several nuggets to focus upon in the coallescence of it all, as it shows me more clearly where the spirit of antichrist is "herding" all this.

These teachings have nothing to do with your concept of an 'anti-christ' which are religious pre-imagery and projections.


I'm pleasantly surprised. You're one of the best sources for info to teach and preach against all this drivel by contrast to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You provide a concise apophatic to warn others against while teaching the cataphatic truth of scripture.

Well that's a mouthful, but good to know I'm a valuable source for seekers looking for a multi-dimensional approach. I've been that for some time.......


In other words, "don't step HERE in this pile" while pursuing truth. What an invaluable resource you are for exposing the lie while proclaiming the truth.

It would be akin to the analogy of first panning for gold, sifting thru the gravel and sand to find the nuggets of truth. Gold is a wonderful symbol of divinity (aum) :)


If only you'd heard THE Rhema instead of other rhemas.

Back to that concept of 'rhema',...hard one to let go of eh?

The 'word' or 'om (http://www.avgsatsang.org/hhpsds/pdf/The_Meaning_of_Om.pdf)'(a-u-m) of 'God' is ever-present within Creation itself, that light and sound-current that sustains all worlds. One universal OM (http://www.theyogacommunity.com/2011/04/the-meaning-of-om/) sustains all, here, now and forever. 'Om' is 'God' :)


In-joy!


pj

Quincy
October 12th, 2013, 08:05 PM
Hello freelight!

I find the concept of Oneness to be rather compelling. It seems like at its core there is a drive towards self-realization. Perhaps the self is scary to some folks and it's easier to "follow" instead of becoming fully realized in their own skin.

To my eyes, I agree with a lot of what you say. There is only what is and each individual has a unique pov and perspective from within the machine. Our "bodies" are our point of reference throughout our journey of gaining knowledge.

I recall being in my late teens and early 20s and my idea of myself was rather limited and more defined by my surroundings and cultural influence. The interesting thing about that is you often tend to develop tunnel vision. You think people are all similar to you. Once you break that however, and gain some experiential knowledge, it's amazing how you go from being a member of the "herd" to becoming a free spirit. Being in tune with mind and body is a great experience but becoming at peace with your surroundings and the world at large pays big dividends.

The sunlight is never brighter than it is the moment you really feel it course through you.

freelight
October 12th, 2013, 09:37 PM
Great statement, freelight...



This is what the Christian theologian Paul Tillich was indicating in the book "The Courage To Be" by the expression, "God behind God". THAT which is prior to consciousness and the manifestations of consciousness. Although words and therefore concepts can only point to the Absolute, (The Parabrahman, the Supreme State...all titles are inadequate), there is perhaps a parallel in the experience of the body-mind. The one and only constant fundamental in the experience of the body-mind is the sense of presence, the wordless "I am". Without consciousness and the forms that manifest therein the Awareness prevails and yet is not aware of itself. The unborn, undying, supreme awareness is the immutable eternal. Concepts such as "truth" arise only when consciousness arises within Awareness and vanish when consciousness subsides. Yet if anything is indicated by the concept of "absolute truth" it must be that primal fundamental awareness without which there could be no consciousness and therefore no, "I am"...no God, no creation.

:thumb:

I might add that the fundamental teaching of the great sage 'Nisargadatta Maharaj' (http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/)reveals this expressly. All can access truth for themselves, since truth is....what actualy is.

All begins and ends in the 'consciousness-sphere' of the 'I Am'...since only in that "I" of consciousness the world and all its contents appear (the entire play of relations, conditions, karma, body-mind, etc.)

Nisargadatta teaches us to center our attention in the 'I Am',...for that is the sole gate-way to 'God'(reality). But like all teachings, one must research and apply the discipline of self-inquiry (http://bhagavan-ramana.org/selfenquirytheory.html) to themselves, to realize what exists to be realized.




pj

freelight
October 12th, 2013, 10:47 PM
Hello freelight!

I find the concept of Oneness to be rather compelling. It seems like at its core there is a drive towards self-realization. Perhaps the self is scary to some folks and it's easier to "follow" instead of becoming fully realized in their own skin.

To my eyes, I agree with a lot of what you say. There is only what is and each individual has a unique pov and perspective from within the machine. Our "bodies" are our point of reference throughout our journey of gaining knowledge.

I recall being in my late teens and early 20s and my idea of myself was rather limited and more defined by my surroundings and cultural influence. The interesting thing about that is you often tend to develop tunnel vision. You think people are all similar to you. Once you break that however, and gain some experiential knowledge, it's amazing how you go from being a member of the "herd" to becoming a free spirit. Being in tune with mind and body is a great experience but becoming at peace with your surroundings and the world at large pays big dividends.

The sunlight is never brighter than it is the moment you really feel it course through you.


:)



pj

MichaelCadry
October 13th, 2013, 01:48 AM
Hi freelight,

The audacity of being compared to the words of the antichrist floor me. It's not even close. But I'll not go into that here but instead on my own site, which I think is best. I know who the antichrist is and it certainly is not nearly you!!

God Bless You and Yours freelight,

Michael

freelight
October 13th, 2013, 02:41 AM
Like this excerpt...


11. The human can create wondrous worlds in a dream in the same way that Creation consciously creates the worlds.

12. To the human, this capability arises from his consciousness, which is available in existence within himself in the same way that all wonders are available within himself.

13. He himself is the realm of heaven, the realm of the Creational.




LOL. No Creator. Only "Creation" and "the Creational", all with and as man's consciousness.

Man as god. Man as the realm of heaven. Man, man, man. All man.


First of all, its important for readers here to read the entirety of the 'spiritual teachings' in context from this knowledge-source which consists of 271 verses (here (http://ca.figu.org/Intro_Spiritual_Teaching.html)) to properly understand the term 'creation' within the context of the laws and principles which rule creation, comprehending what 'The Creation' is as that living energetic evolutional Spirit-Being which is omnipresent, being the source of all, the essence of all life and consciousness.

The term 'creational' therefore refers to 'creation', or 'The Creation'(the totality of infinite potential, spirit-energy). A fragment of this 'spirit-energy-consciousness' lives in man, which would be in our traditional terms, the spirit of 'God', this 'spirit' being 'creational' in nature, because it is of 'God' (the eternal creative spirit).

In other places in the 'Billy Meier' (http://ca.figu.org/About_Billy.html)material (given from Plejaren/Pleiadian sources)...the human 'spirit' is that inner organ that communicates with the Universal Spirit since it is a part and parcel of the same Spirit. Therefore a human becoming acquainted with his 'spirit' or 'spiritual nature' is merging or becoming one with Creation. One must understand what Creation is....in this context. This 'comprehension' is essential.

What is creation? (http://ca.figu.org/Creation_-_What_It_Is.html)


I'm reading through all your sources. They're a gold mine for contrasting all those lies to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Wonderful,..since there are many schools, sources, traditions and teachers I draw from and study, in the context of the perennial wisdom and golden thread of truth which runs thru all. Remember,...'God' is omnipresent, all-pervading, immanent and transcendent, infinite, all-encompassing. This 'God-presence' includes 'personality' and is also 'impersonal' or 'transpersonal' depending on what dimensions, facets and characterists one is inter-facing or relating to.

I might also add that these teachings and universal wisdom in general do not necessarily contrast or oppose the 'goodnews' of the kingdom (realm of God-consciousness) that Jesus taught, lived and demonstrated, since he calls us to also recognize our oneness with God as a spiritual family.



pj

MichaelCadry
October 13th, 2013, 03:21 AM
Dear freelight,

Hey pj, I understand and agree with all you say in this last post, and find it intriguing and interesting. It is the extrapolation behind the scenes of the Creation, and our place in it. Thanks for not leaving Jesus without.

God's Blessings Upon You,

Michael

John Mortimer
October 13th, 2013, 01:18 PM
:thumb:

I might add that the fundamental teaching of the great sage 'Nisargadatta Maharaj' (http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/)reveals this expressly. All can access truth for themselves, since truth is....what actualy is.

Yes, indeed! And for me, Nisargadatta represents the unequivocal end of my own spiritual seeking insofar as objective things are concerned, such as writings and teachings. Discerning what actually is from what merely appears is an exclusively subjective task if one is serious about it. But as you indicate, no-one can be disqualified from the attempt.


All begins and ends in the 'consciousness-sphere' of the 'I Am'...since only in that "I" of consciousness the world and all its contents appear (the entire play of relations, conditions, karma, body-mind, etc.)

...and if this is truly absorbed there can be no further mis-identification with the body and the individual mind that spontaneously springs from such an apparently individual form.


Nisargadatta teaches us to center our attention in the 'I Am',...for that is the sole gate-way to 'God'(reality). But like all teachings, one must research and apply the discipline of self-inquiry (http://bhagavan-ramana.org/selfenquirytheory.html) to themselves, to realize what exists to be realized.

Certainly there can be no question of attaining a realization of the Self...for who would be the one attaining it? The best we can do in self-inquiry is to negate. When all is genuinely negated the negator must also disappear. Then, beyond affirmation and negation, prior to any concept, the One is. All such words can merely serve as pointers of course.



pj[/QUOTE]

freelight
October 13th, 2013, 03:50 PM
Dear freelight,

Hey pj, I understand and agree with all you say in this last post, and find it intriguing and interesting. It is the extrapolation behind the scenes of the Creation, and our place in it. Thanks for not leaving Jesus without.

God's Blessings Upon You,

Michael

Superlative,....all is a matter of understanding, intuiting and comprehending the subject at hand. From the higher ET perspective shared previously....'The Creation' is the totality of all life and consciousness in the grand universe (as 'infinite creation') so it naturally includes the concept of a 'Creator' since a 'creative intelligence' and 'Spirit-energy' is at the heart of all. 'God' can be 'personalized' yet also has 'non-personal' aspects, so 'The Creation' includes all concepts or personality-constructs (every complex-ity and form) as well as transcends all forms or personality-constructs. This is the beauty and wonder of the 'creation/creator'. All is a matter of point of view and from what perspective we are looking out from or relating to.

An open and receptive reading of the 'spiritual teachings' (http://ca.figu.org/Intro_Spiritual_Teaching.html)section (Meier material) in this context inspires one to recognize his own 'spirit', that inner conscious light which is already one with the Infinite Spirit, so one's contact and communion with their own 'spirit' is communion with 'God'. - "the Spirit bears witness with our spirit, that we are children of God". - it is this spiritual consciousness that is life and peace (from which all true values, life, immortality, harmony and abundance flow). Naturally, one communions with 'God' with-in the 'spirit' of 'God', and where is that spirit of God? that's the key.


pj

Zeke
October 13th, 2013, 09:42 PM
Wow, Zeke. I just had to bump this old thread after reading your slam-dunk assessment from a true awareness of the spirit of antichrist and his ancient plan coming to fruition in utter deception.

Reps coming. Keep exposing the lies of the enemy. Some of us are fighting the good fight with you to expose every vestige of Kabbalah, Kundalini, Tikkun, and all the rest.

Be encouraged. You are appreciated, and you're not alone amidst the vortex of mystical drivel overtaking man's vulnerable arrogance of ignorance.

Thanks for the kudos but I no longer prescribe to this strict and narrow outlook, the propaganda has some truth in it, that being the real truth is kept hidden from the exoteric taught masses!

The Jesus story is valid in the sense it tales of spiritual truth, but this truth wasn't birthed 2000 years ago, it has lived in every human "being" and awaits to be awakened from the matrix.

The need to judge others fades away with the fear, that is instilled by strict and exclusive religious dogma.

The kingdom is within not through another, we are the children of light that has no jew or gentile, male or female, we are all part of the same lump, etc............

Grace, Zeke.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 13th, 2013, 11:30 PM
Thanks for the kudos but I no longer prescribe to this strict and narrow outlook, the propaganda has some truth in it, that being the real truth is kept hidden from the exoteric taught masses!

The Jesus story is valid in the sense it tales of spiritual truth, but this truth wasn't birthed 2000 years ago, it has lived in every human "being" and awaits to be awakened from the matrix.

The need to judge others fades away with the fear, that is instilled by strict and exclusive religious dogma.

The kingdom is within not through another, we are the children of light that has no jew or gentile, male or female, we are all part of the same lump, etc............

Grace, Zeke.

Okay. :noid:

MichaelCadry
October 14th, 2013, 02:49 AM
Dear Pneuma,

freelight is not taking away from the Oneness of God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Read a bit more carefully. Also he does lean towards belief in Hindu, but we all have our own religious beliefs. He's certainly not the antichrist. We'll take that up at another time and place.

MichaelC

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 14th, 2013, 08:54 AM
Dear Pneuma,

freelight is not taking away from the Oneness of God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Read a bit more carefully. Also he does lean towards belief in Hindu, but we all have our own religious beliefs. He's certainly not the antichrist. We'll take that up at another time and place.

MichaelC

freelight is the most thoroughly decieved person I've ever encountered. A perfect indoctrinate into the esoteric disciplines of untruth masquerading as total truth. Slimiest semantics ever. An all-encompassing fascade of complete delusion and perceptionless perception.

Yes, it's Hinduism, Kabbalah, and much more amalgamated into "A" ONE that isn't "THE" ONE. Absolutely the spirit of antichrist. "White magic". Divination. Sorcery.

It's not even a "near" miss. It's the antithesis of all truth. An accumulation of all the schools of human depravity projected as divinity and universality of the metaphysical.

freelight
October 14th, 2013, 02:43 PM
PPS continues to critique 'spiritual teachings' (the Meier material)




And this...

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49. It is a sign of human weakness when religions and their false teachings are presented as an instrument of the Creational and wisdom thereby becomes unreal.
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...conveniently impugning ALL religions, while avoiding the fact that this amalgamation of silly beliefs IS a religion, and it/they make/s itself/themselves AND its/their alleged wisdom unreal by presenting an instrument of the Creational.

It's all self-refuting nonsense. Hilarious, but serious. It's where all the delusion is going, for sure.

These are an organized system of beliefs relative to the metaphysical and that are important to a person or group, etc.. Such an organized system of beliefs is a religion. You've joined, founded, expounded, delineated, etc. a religion.

If we take the above verse in 'context', it is simply saying that by there are religious teachings and dogmas that do not consider or recognize 'Creation' and its universal laws, thereby making wisdom 'unreal' (meaning they would be ignorant of such existing, not recognizing such, instead having misconceptions and images of 'God' and associated mythology).

These teachings are principles and concepts consonant with Creation, and not a creed or collection of dogmas,...they are self-evident, practical and in accord with the universal laws of existence inherent in Creation itself. FIGU (http://ca.figu.org/Our_Manifesto.html) does not present itself as a 'religion' neither does it seek to proselyte anyone, since the teachings are available to any who are interested in them, expressing a desire to learn more. All is open and subject to research, investigation, logic, reason, science, etc.

I've initially shared from this resource because it resonates with my own concepts of 'Creation' and 'Evolution' as shared earlier from a metaphysical perspective, but may not agree with all aspects of the organization touching on more controversial subjects or particulars. This is just one collection from many alleged ET sources expounding on the subject.


Our teachings of the truth are not directed toward destroying religions and sects or some other faith of people, and so we live by the rule of tolerance and refrain from proselytizing. Therefore, never would we approach religion or sect members to convert them to our teachings. Our motto is that everyone must be allowed to believe what he or she wants to in religion or knowledge matters. So, if someone trusts in a god or a guardian angel and the like, we do not attempt to change the person's opinions about his/her belief system. We only mediate when people approach us to inquire about our teachings and the knowledge we possess. Only in this way will we impart information.

- Interview (http://ca.figu.org/An_Interview_with_Billy.html) with Billy Meier, 2


PPS continues -


The Dialectic. A consensus of men as designated absolute authority.

No 'absolute authority' is claimed, but holding to Creation and its laws. While universal laws/principles are unchanging in nature and essence, man's comprehension and appropriation of them continue to expand with his own evolution, since 'revelation' is progressive in a space-time continuum.

Below is the passage context surrounding vs. 49, whose primary subject is wisdom itself, which is of the Infinite Spirit, and available to the spiritual consciousness of man. Wisdom is the principle thing, being an eternal aspect of Creation. This teaching is non-theistic since it does not subscribe to a 'Creator-Deity' and the usual assumptions that come with a 'personal god'. Again,...'The Creation' is the totality of all that exists, and it has within it all the potentials of infinity, hence it is evolutional in nature since creation includes all possibilities of life and consciousness in the unfolding of space-time.



38. Wisdom is a characteristic of the existence of the spirit and the consciousness, and it bears within itself the qualities of happiness, truth, knowledge, balance, beauty, harmony and peace.

39. Wisdom is light.

40. Wisdom is also the characteristic of a human who has recognized the existence of his spirit and works with it in accord with Creation's laws.

41. Wisdom is using the spirit's power.

42. Wisdom and spirit are two things that make one, like sunlight and the sun are two things.

43. The sunlight first results from the heat of the sun, which has to first generate it through its processes.

44. So it is also for an all-creating existence in the universe that, on the strength of its forces, creates forces that, following definite Creational laws, constantly and imperturbably follow and enliven the endless eons as truth, knowledge and wisdom, according to a given uniform guideline.

45. This powerful existence, however, is Creation.

46. And there is, therefore, only one existence that rules throughout the universe - only one Creation, only one truth, one knowledge and one wisdom - which is unidirectional and unchanging for eternity.

47. The eternal truth is subject to no variations and no changes, and its laws must never be revised and adjusted to a new time.

48. The spirit's power is vital and dynamic, namely, to the extent that it embodies wisdom within itself.

49. It is a sign of human weakness when religions and their false teachings are presented as an instrument of the Creational and wisdom thereby becomes unreal.

50. The human searches somewhere for power, freedom, joy and light, but not where they are really found.

51. Wisdom is a distinguishing feature of Creation, which, as a fragment, as spirit, dwells within the human.

52. Therefore, may the human increase his knowledgeable wisdom, and he will recognize Creation.

Therefore in this light,...we see that the way of truth or true principles can be 'unreal' to some, meaning they are not fully cognizant of such in a greater context of comprehension of universe realities. From this teaching-perspective (Plejaren/Pleiadian)...all that is essential is for man to recognize 'Creation' and its universal laws, applying them to his own life, individually and collectively to ensure his own happiness, well-being, evolution and progress towards perfection. Even from a traditionally 'theistic' perspective with a personal 'Deity', the theme, application and parallels are the same, since souls only fulfill their purpose of existence by abiding by the laws of Source, and speed their evolution by living in harmony with that Source. Whether we recognize The Source of Life as 'The Creator' or 'The Creation'....it is still that One Universal Power and Presence and its eternal laws that govern all, notwithstanding the liberties of free will.



pj

Quincy
October 14th, 2013, 05:22 PM
freelight is the most thoroughly decieved person I've ever encountered. A perfect indoctrinate into the esoteric disciplines of untruth masquerading as total truth. Slimiest semantics ever. An all-encompassing fascade of complete delusion and perceptionless perception.

Yes, it's Hinduism, Kabbalah, and much more amalgamated into "A" ONE that isn't "THE" ONE. Absolutely the spirit of antichrist. "White magic". Divination. Sorcery.

It's not even a "near" miss. It's the antithesis of all truth. An accumulation of all the schools of human depravity projected as divinity and universality of the metaphysical.

Threatened by his wisdom, much?

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 14th, 2013, 05:37 PM
freelight:
PPS continues to critique 'spiritual teachings'

Ummm... nope. PPS continues to critique 'soulish teachings'. Big diff.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 14th, 2013, 06:09 PM
Threatened by his wisdom, much?

It's not sophia at all, though presumed to be.

Zeke
October 14th, 2013, 08:06 PM
freelight;

These teachings are principles and concepts consonant with Creation, and not a creed or collection of dogmas,...they are self-evident, practical and in accord with the universal laws of existence inherent in Creation itself.




Short but concise, and a short lesson in liberating one to the fear based thinking of dogmas, they have nothing to offer the searcher except barriers! these create divisions that feed the collective slave markets of the mind, freedom can ring within and no where else, which translates into freedom to be them selves with those we interact with.

Gracious, Zeke.

MichaelCadry
October 15th, 2013, 02:55 AM
Dear Zeke,

I also agree with every thing you've said and also pj, but we are told by the Scriptures to fear God enough to the point that we obey Him. Thus it is written, "Fear God and give glory to Him..." Also, God saying to Abraham, 'Now I know that your fear God because you were willing to sacrifice your own son...etc.' Fear God meaning you are not More than Him. Loving Him is the best part!! See PPS, we are on a similar page.

Much Love Always,

MichaelC

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 15th, 2013, 03:20 AM
Dear Zeke,

I also agree with every thing you've said and also pj, but we are told by the Scriptures to fear God enough to the point that we obey Him. Thus it is written, "Fear God and give glory to Him..." Also, God saying to Abraham, 'Now I know that your fear God because you were willing to sacrifice your own son...etc.' Fear God meaning you are not More than Him. Loving Him is the best part!! See PPS, we are on a similar page.

Much Love Always,

MichaelC

Similar? The Nag Hammadi library is similar to the Library of Congress. Similar is not "same".

A counterfeit is similar to the authentic. A clone would be similar to the biological host.

Tolerance is a sham of Kabbalah-influenced culture-sculpting to allow and absorb all views. Community over communion. Collectivism over individuality. Dialectic over didactic.

Sin and repentance don't really factor in. They'll be called concepts and other esoteric double-speak.

Similar only counts in horseshoes (and hand grenades).

freelight
October 15th, 2013, 04:32 AM
freelight is the most thoroughly decieved person I've ever encountered. A perfect indoctrinate into the esoteric disciplines of untruth masquerading as total truth. Slimiest semantics ever. An all-encompassing fascade of complete delusion and perceptionless perception.

Yes, it's Hinduism, Kabbalah, and much more amalgamated into "A" ONE that isn't "THE" ONE. Absolutely the spirit of antichrist. "White magic". Divination. Sorcery.

It's not even a "near" miss. It's the antithesis of all truth. An accumulation of all the schools of human depravity projected as divinity and universality of the metaphysical.

Expounding on various concepts, themes, principles or points of view does not have to have anything to do with 'deception', that being your own 'belief'.

Metaphysics, spiritual science, mysticism, occult-esoteric teachings stand on their own, with their own terms or meaning-value within a given context.


pj

freelight
October 15th, 2013, 04:40 AM
Ummm... nope. PPS continues to critique 'soulish teachings'. Big diff.

If might be helpful if you qualify and define 'soulish' from 'spiritual' teachings and then show how this has any significance to the concept of oneness (or anything at all), since the oneness of Spirit ever remains as the primary condition behind all forms. As far as 'soul' (psyche) goes...there is nothing wrong or deceptive about anything 'psychic'..... but a 'spiritual' teaching is something spiritually discerned, of the Spirit. Intellectual/soulish concepts have their place within their own context, applications and limitations. Can you explain what the 'big difference' is and why its important?


pj

Zeke
October 15th, 2013, 09:06 AM
Dear Zeke,

I also agree with every thing you've said and also pj, but we are told by the Scriptures to fear God enough to the point that we obey Him. Thus it is written, "Fear God and give glory to Him..." Also, God saying to Abraham, 'Now I know that your fear God because you were willing to sacrifice your own son...etc.' Fear God meaning you are not More than Him. Loving Him is the best part!! See PPS, we are on a similar page.

Much Love Always,

MichaelC

Hi Michael, I think there is some value to scripture, but I question the fear factor as being a proper conduit for a relationship for any age, it does more damage than good and takes years to break free from its spell.

I would see Abraham and Sarah and their off spring as an allegory of the human brain and body, (Jesus hinted at this as well) which I see in all scripture as being an internal guide, a fable written in a literal style that teaches inner science, the key that starts to unlock its mysteries is love, and acceptance of self, an oxymoron in most dogmas, most teach to think of your self as a helpless dependent with no worth outside of said dogma.

Blessings, Zeke.

John Mortimer
October 15th, 2013, 12:34 PM
I was struck by the following quotes of Nisargadatta Maharaj today - and these most definitely are relevant to the thread.

"Mind is a universal dynamic principle, but we restrict it to the limits of the body and then depend on it - hence all the trouble. Consider the water in lake Tansa. That water belongs to the whole of Bombay. Out of that water, can we claim some as yours or mine? In a similar vein, understand that the self is universal. But you have conditioned it by confining it to the body; therefore you face problems.

The water is universal, use it when you possess it. Similarly, use the mind to meet your needs and then let it flow by itself without your interference or involvement, like the flow of a river from which you take water only when needed."

Nisargadatta from "The Nectar Of Immortality"

freelight
October 15th, 2013, 02:45 PM
It's not sophia at all, though presumed to be.

Wisdom is the principle thing, being 'universal'. We can dive deeply into 'Sophia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(wisdom))' from a universal and Gnostic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism)) perspective, since She plays an essential part in the creation and redemption myth. Mother Sophia is our tree of life, and in consort with the 'Christ' is as a co-redeemer from a gnostic perspective. From this context,...'wisdom', 'understanding' and 'knowledge' are the 3 essentials (a trinity). These are aspects within the 7-fold Spirit of the Lord, whose crown-anointing is Man (the Adam-Kadmon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon)). This subject is best for another thread, which I have ideas for, since my older vintage threads are no longer extant. Wisdom and the divine feminine must take up her true place with the masculine principle in true balance (as Father-Mother).


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pj

freelight
October 16th, 2013, 12:28 AM
Tolerance is a sham of Kabbalah-influenced culture-sculpting to allow and absorb all views.


Consciousness includes all views, everything.

Shams are for waxing cars.


Community over communion.

True meditation includes both, naturally.


Collectivism over individuality.

Individuals make up a community. Individuality is never lost, but more fully integrated, empowered, enjoyed...enhancing the community.


Dialectic over didactic.

Most of the readers would need to know what you mean by the terms, and how you define such, perhaps by way of conflating? ;)


Sin and repentance don't really factor in. They'll be called concepts and other esoteric double-speak.

'Sin' and 'repentance' is a matter of defining, appropriating their meaning in a given context. While they may be conceptual, that doesn't discount them in human experience, but back to terms and meanings.


Similar only counts in horseshoes (and hand grenades).

I'm sure you enjoy con-fusing terms to make a point which fortifies your preconceptions and conclusions,....naturally. Points of view are subject to change.


pj

MichaelCadry
October 16th, 2013, 10:15 PM
Hey PPS,

Don't get such a big head because I said to Fear God and give to Him glory!! All must do so in the end, including yourself. We choose to LOVE HIM and HOLD HIM as our Creator, of ourselves and of Jesus, and much more. And we KNOW we are not MORE than HIM. Be wary and don't MESS with my FRIENDS! You should KNOW better!!!

MichaelCadry

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 16th, 2013, 11:24 PM
Consciousness includes all views, everything.

Shams are for waxing cars.

True meditation includes both, naturally.

Individuals make up a community. Individuality is never lost, but more fully integrated, empowered, enjoyed...enhancing the community.

Most of the readers would need to know what you mean by the terms, and how you define such, perhaps by way of conflating? ;)

'Sin' and 'repentance' is a matter of defining, appropriating their meaning in a given context. While they may be conceptual, that doesn't discount them in human experience, but back to terms and meanings.

I'm sure you enjoy con-fusing terms to make a point which fortifies your preconceptions and conclusions,....naturally. Points of view are subject to change.

pj

LOL. More soulish pseudo-spiritual universalist crap. Everything you post is conflation, obfuscation, bloviation, and pontification from your utter deception.

I'm quite intimately familiar with everything you post about. It's nothing new to me. It's all bogus artificial smoke and mirrors masquerading as enlightenment.

There's likely no way out of the rabbit hole for you at this point.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 16th, 2013, 11:31 PM
Hey PPS,

Don't get such a big head because I said to Fear God and give to Him glory!! All must do so in the end, including yourself. We choose to LOVE HIM and HOLD HIM as our Creator, of ourselves and of Jesus, and much more. And we KNOW we are not MORE than HIM. Be wary and don't MESS with my FRIENDS! You should KNOW better!!!

MichaelCadry

Blah to the blah of the blah in the blah for the blah.

Or what? You'll use your majik and try to hex me? All this is a giant variant of Dungeons and Dragons. Your god... isn't. You'll likely find that out too late. Keep channeling all those spirits. You WANT the delusion. It's yours.

MichaelCadry
October 17th, 2013, 12:30 AM
Dear Pneuma,

Answering blah blah blah means nothing. I'm not trying to use my magic to hex you. I don't believe in magic. I believe in miracles. Loving God is not channeling spirits. Maybe that's your take of it. If you ever channel anyone, channel God!! Otherwise, that's really too bad!!

MichaelC

freelight
October 17th, 2013, 03:04 AM
I was struck by the following quotes of Nisargadatta Maharaj today - and these most definitely are relevant to the thread.

"Mind is a universal dynamic principle, but we restrict it to the limits of the body and then depend on it - hence all the trouble. Consider the water in lake Tansa. That water belongs to the whole of Bombay. Out of that water, can we claim some as yours or mine? In a similar vein, understand that the self is universal. But you have conditioned it by confining it to the body; therefore you face problems.

The water is universal, use it when you possess it. Similarly, use the mind to meet your needs and then let it flow by itself without your interference or involvement, like the flow of a river from which you take water only when needed."

Nisargadatta from "The Nectar Of Immortality"


Hi John,

Yes,....the 'Self' which is pure awareness...is the source or screen upon which consciousness and its contents appear. All is known or perceived within the light of 'I Am', the conscious being. That which is prior to consciousness is like the infinite Ocean within which consciousness arises, the sense of 'I Am' which includes the world with all its forms, objects and sensations.

The timeless reality however never comes or goes, but is always already being, and it is that, that is our true nature. - all 'else' is but what the mind assumes and misidentifies with,...all that is temporal, subject to change. The real 'Self' however is unborn, undying, unchanging in essence. I am that (http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/nisargadatta_quotes_from_I_am_that.php).

More quotes from the Nectar of Immortality (http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/nisargadatta_quotes_from_nector_of_immortality.php ) -


But how can such a state be attained? Only if one totally accepts the knowledge ‘I am’ as oneself with full conviction and faith and firmly believes in the dictum ‘I am that by which I know I am’. This knowledge ‘I am’ is the ‘charan-amrita’. Why is it called ‘amrita’ – the nectar? Because it is said, by drinking nectar one becomes immortal. Thus a true devotee, by abiding in the knowledge ‘I am’ transcends the experience of death and attains immortality.

Once you subside into the consciousness, the factual state of Reality shall be revealed to you with the knowledge that will emanate out of you intuitively, like spring water. This will enable you to discern not what is real and unreal, but, most importantly, to realize what ‘I am’. And who could be that one? Surely not an individual who is trapped in the mind-shell, but that one is the knowledge ‘I am’ – the consciousness.

All comes back to the purity of heart, for to have a pure heart is to see 'God'. Jesus further taught that having an 'eye' that is 'single' or 'simple' allows for the whole being to be filled with light. Purity of heart and singleness of nature is the key,...recognizing the essence of divinity.


pj

freelight
October 17th, 2013, 03:30 AM
LOL. More soulish pseudo-spiritual universalist crap.



See here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3636794&postcount=183). The question stands, if you would clarify your position for readers regarding your use of terms and why they are valid or tenable. Also note you've added little to the discussion on the subject of Oneness, which is the point of the thread.

So far all you've done is criticize, judge, demean and belittle, offering very little as far as what is truth beyond some preconceived idea of it in your own mind which you are defending as a self-appointed apologist. You're pontificating is getting old. You might want to familiarize yourself with the rules here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55933), or you will be reported. If you're not interested in real dialogue, move along,....as trolling, being a thread-pest, marginalizing the subject, hijacking the thread, ad hominening... will not be tolerated here.


pj

freelight
October 17th, 2013, 03:50 PM
Dear Pneuma,

freelight is not taking away from the Oneness of God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Read a bit more carefully. Also he does lean towards belief in Hindu, but we all have our own religious beliefs. He's certainly not the antichrist. We'll take that up at another time and place.

MichaelC


The Oneness of 'God' is evident in the Oneness of consciousness. All that is....only is because of consciousness, or it could not be to know of it. There is one universal Spirit-source and energy from which the universe arises and in which the universes inheres, because that Infinite Spirit is the ocean in which all appears.

~*~*~

Other post-articles -

God is 'One' no matter the multiples (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3436345&postcount=39)

Trinity concepts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2969798&postcount=54)

Manifold Oneness (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3316640&postcount=233)

1, 3 or 7 are multiples of "1" (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3440264&postcount=103)

Brahman, One University (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3341070&postcount=136)




pj

John Mortimer
October 17th, 2013, 03:55 PM
The Oneness of 'God' is evident in the Oneness of consciousness. All that is....only is because of consciousness, or it could not be to know of it. There is one universal Spirit-source and energy from which the universe arises and in which the universes inheres, because that Infinite Spirit is the ocean in which all appears.



"For in Him we live and move and have our being" Paul

Quincy
October 17th, 2013, 04:44 PM
One spectrum of spacetime, many points of reference.

MichaelCadry
October 18th, 2013, 02:22 AM
Dear freelight,

You'd come in handy having you at my thread Creation vs. Evolution. You might want to drop in sometime, but it hard to leave. It keeps you busy, that's for sure. Hope to hear from you soon!!

God Be With You Always,

Michael

freelight
October 18th, 2013, 05:51 PM
One spectrum of spacetime, many points of reference.

Yes,....One continuum of 'Creation',....yet many dimensions unfolding within space.

Space and time portal here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1191).

As shared earlier here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3266015&postcount=77), the Law of One material from Ra is one of the most unified comprehensive presentations on the concept of oneness (channeled thru Q&A dialogues) - We again share below -


Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.




pj

freelight
October 18th, 2013, 06:03 PM
Dear freelight,

You'd come in handy having you at my thread Creation vs. Evolution. You might want to drop in sometime, but it hard to leave. It keeps you busy, that's for sure. Hope to hear from you soon!!

God Be With You Always,

Michael

No worries Michael,

Life flows of its own accord within the natural tendencies within its nature in whatever direction by principle and propensity.

The One Creation ever IS. This 'Is-ness' we traditionally call 'God' or many other names that suit our affections or preference. It is the one omnipresent original reality, while all 'else' exists dependent upon this core-reality, and stands in relation to IT.

Since space & time arises in relation to the First Source and Center, it is 'relative', 'temporal' and subject to conditioning and change,...hence what we 'experience' in space-time as an unfolding of relativity. Most everything in this space-time dimension is naturally 'relative', just as our perception of 'reality' is, and our concepts of 'God'. They suffer the distortion of space-time perception by reference of conditional points of view :)

Just a tid-bit for now, but will join in on the other thread to engage there, and elsewhere.

In the One and Only Reality (which is central),



pj

MichaelCadry
October 18th, 2013, 09:04 PM
Thanks Freelight,

You had me for a bit there with calling God "Ra", but to each his own. I like calling Him "I AM" or even Jehovah. I hope that all is very well with you today and that you are having a good time of it all. My days race by as my thoughts are upon God and His Son, and the Holy Spirit. Sure isn't like when I was a kid and time went slow and I got bored. Haven't been bored for 39 years now. The big 40 years is in March 2014. Glory be!

Until We Chat Again, God Give You Much Love,

Michael

freelight
October 19th, 2013, 02:38 AM
Thanks Freelight,

You had me for a bit there with calling God "Ra", but to each his own. I like calling Him "I AM" or even Jehovah.

Until We Chat Again, God Give You Much Love,

Michael

If you read carefully,....no one is calling God 'Ra'. Ra is the source of the communication, the entity being 'channeled' thru a human medium which gave us the 'Law of One' teachings. I've included links to the 'Law of One' material for further research. 'Ra' greatly influenced the Egytpians and therefore had a part in impressing ancient Hebrew theology with the concept of 'God' being 'One'. Moses was trained in the knowledge and arts of the Egyptians so much of our religious history and mythology, is ET influenced.

The name "I Am" is an awesome statement, which denotes the reality of one's own existence, reflecting itself as consciousness. I had a thread named "The Mighty I AM Presence"...which expounds on the many aspects and definitions of 'I Am' from many school perspectives. I may create a new thread on the 'I Am'...which is central to my view, it being divine science (http://www.divinescience.org/). (knowledge of one's own 'being' and the laws that govern the creative expression thereof).

~*~*~

Nothing exists outside of the "I" of consciousness.

Avatar Adi Da Samraj has a good primer on this fundamental truth here (http://www.consciousnessitself.org/).



pj

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 19th, 2013, 09:23 AM
I said this:

I needn't acquiesce to your Universalistic and/or Kabbalistic silliness of antichrist that God is what you and all the channelers portend.

And I said this:

All mystics and illusionists who practice sorcery and divination and channeling are of the spirit of antichrist.

And I said this:

Keep channeling all those spirits. You WANT the delusion. It's yours.

And MichaelCadry said this:

Loving God is not channeling spirits. Maybe that's your take of it. If you ever channel anyone, channel God!!

And freelight said this:

Ra is the source of the communication, the entity being 'channeled' thru a human medium which gave us the 'Law of One' teachings.

It's all channeling.

And every esoteric source is quoted as absolute truth, as though the mere existence of views and beliefs is innately representative of truth.

I'm discussing the OP. I'm discussing Oneness. In every sense promoted in this thread and by these channelled teachings, Oneness has no existence and isn't the key to existence.

Such overarching all-prevading Syncretism isn't Oneness. It's a complete illusion for delusion. There is no objective truth in anything from any of the channelled sources.

The mind and the cosmos is not Divine, and is not the Singularity.

Quincy
October 19th, 2013, 10:05 AM
Yes,....One continuum of 'Creation',....yet many dimensions unfolding within space.

Space and time portal here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/blog.php?b=1191).

As shared earlier here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3266015&postcount=77), the Law of One material from Ra is one of the most unified comprehensive presentations on the concept of oneness (channeled thru Q&A dialogues) - We again share below -


Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.




pj

I love this. If we observe nature, of which we are undoubtedly one with, we can see the trees are there. The wind will blow. The sun rises and the rain does fall. All these things are never right nor wrong. They just are and all that exist just is. It's in there we can find our source of discipline, not only for our actions but also our souls. The more discipline we lack, the more we try to create fake identities and fight the flow of life, the more we create a negative state of mind. That's all an illusion or distortion, which takes a lot of effort to maintain, yet a center of calmness is effortless.

Great stuff :) .


I said this:


And I said this:


And I said this:


And MichaelCadry said this:


And freelight said this:


It's all channeling.

And every esoteric source is quoted as absolute truth, as though the mere existence of views and beliefs is innately representative of truth.

I'm discussing the OP. I'm discussing Oneness. In every sense promoted in this thread and by these channelled teachings, Oneness has no existence and isn't the key to existence.

Such overarching all-prevading Syncretism isn't Oneness. It's a complete illusion for delusion. There is no objective truth in anything from any of the channelled sources.

The mind and the cosmos is not Divine, and is not the Singularity.

For one thing, they didn't channel it, they shared it. Someone else "channeled" it. Secondly, you're more of an atheist than I am if you think the fountain of spiritual knowledge was exclusive to a tribe of Israelite. They didn't exist in a vacuum. Nothing freelight or Michael has posted is spiritually bankrupt.

As for oneness not being true, I challenge you to post pics of you separating your mind, soul and body so we can see how the universe exist triune and not as One entity. Maybe you can prove us wrong?

I'll be waiting.

freelight
October 19th, 2013, 05:11 PM
I said this:

It's all channeling.

Well,....all communication is 'channelled' so to speak. All thoughts, ideas, images, concepts are 'translated' thru the mind and spoken via 'language'(oral or written) which is further subject to 'interpretation'. All inspired or religious writings are 'channelled'....being written thru a human 'medium' or 'mediums'. ( granted the term or concept of 'channelling' has gotten a negative wrap among some fundamentalists, it is more important to assess the quality and content of the teachings themselves as to their value.)

Ra gave the teachings of 'The Law of One' thru Carla Rueckert (http://higherdensity.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/carla-rueckert-the-law-of-one/) (see 3 part video interview). The Infinite Creator is of a unified constitution or nature, - his 'Creation' is always One in as much as the Creator pervades, sustains and encompasses that creation.


And every esoteric source is quoted as absolute truth,

This is totally false and a misconception on your part.

Only The Absolute Itself is 'absolute',...all else is relative to IT. Our communications here can only be 'relative', modifications and interpretations of truth. - what we share is conditional, limited or distorted concepts of reality, while 'absolute reality' remains unchanging in its essence. Language itself dips down into the realm of distortion just to communicate...since it does so thru images, words, concepts. The 'word' is never the 'reality' itself,....they only 'describe' and 'point' to a certain subject. (in this case the "I" of consciousness).


as though the mere existence of views and beliefs is innately representative of truth.

See above. A message or teaching comes forth thru a channel which is the attempt at sharing or explaining a particular subject or truth, but that truth ('information') is more or less relative and 'limited' to the quality of the source and the ability of the medium to receive that info. accurately - however, the medium could distort and misinterpret the info. There are many factors involved with 'mediumship'. All servants of the Light strive to serve 'God' and the higher forces more purely, as a clear channel. We are reflections of that original Light.

To receive a particular stream of data, you must be tuned into the right frequency or 'channel'.


I'm discussing the OP. I'm discussing Oneness. In every sense promoted in this thread and by these channelled teachings, Oneness has no existence and isn't the key to existence.

Oneness is at the Heart of Creation, since the Creator/Creation is One. Since 'God' has Existence, or is Existence,...'God' exists. Existence itself is Self-evident. I Am (or "I Am That"). This is the fundamental truth. - all else are relative perceptions of consciousness accessing different view points in space-time.


Such overarching all-prevading Syncretism isn't Oneness. It's a complete illusion for delusion. There is no objective truth in anything from any of the channelled sources.

Since 'God' is 'One' and Creation is One....a syncretism is not needed, - it just so happens that all parts of creation and all concepts of Infinite Intelligence make up a unified whole. Reality as a non-dual realization is beyond 'objective' or 'subjective', but it is subjective in its essence, since all is perceived and recognized thru the subjectivity of mind.


The mind and the cosmos is not Divine, and is not the Singularity.

Well, relatively speaking this is correct if we divide, qualify and differentiate aspects of mind, divinity, soul, spirit, etc....comparing such to the greater cosmic infinite MIND if we are looking from a dualistic/pluralistic platform...separating 'God' from 'creation', or 'God' from 'Man', but such is a matter of 'description'.

In another communication you said I was not Infinite Consciousness, and since I've changed my slogan to simply "I AM". We can differentiate the 'infinite' from the 'finite', yet we can also hold the consciousness of man to be of the same essence of the consciousness of 'God', there being no difference or separation (as in the teaching-perspective of non-duality). In non-duality, the soul(atman) and 'God' (Brahman) are of one essence. One comes to realize that they are pure 'being' and 'consciousness'...and that is the eternal unchanging truth, no matter what changes occur in the apparent world or misperceptions the 'ego' assumes as being 'seperate'. The pure light of divinity is the unchanging reality, as pure conscious light. I Am that. (see the great sages such as Nisargadatta Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi as shared earlier).

But back to the realm of duality,....we can of course differentiate between 'God' and creation' or 'God' and individual souls...which would be seen as being 'parts and parcels' of God, or individual offsprings of Deity,....distinct from God as being 'finite' and limited in their individuality, yet non-separate from God as their life-source and eternal sustainer. Hinduism has schools that cover the entire spectrum from the pure non-dual (Advaita) schools to the dualist (Dvaita) schools,...so one can take any view that resonates with their own religious experience or philosophical preference.


What is, at this very moment and every moment is Reality Itself. This reality is One, and is non-separate from the whole of existence. How we perceive, contextualize and describe this and other points of view will vary depending on our 'locus' of consciousness and filters of interpretation. The clarity however of Awareness itself, free of any filters, concepts, pre-conceptions or superimpositions....is inherently FREE. It is just pure light.




pj

freelight
October 19th, 2013, 10:11 PM
"For in Him we live and move and have our being" Paul

If we but reflect upon what this means or infers, our very life and being is of 'God' alone, since there is no life, energy or consciousness separate from 'God'.




The ‘I am’ is the only God to be pleased. Whatever you presently know about God is only bargaining. Your very existence or beingness is the proof that God exists. If I am not, God is not. God’s existence is due to the consciousness, the ‘I am’, please it and it will lead you to its source.

-Nisargadatta Maharaj (http://www.theself.com/sri_nisargadatta.cfm)


pj

MichaelCadry
October 20th, 2013, 02:30 AM
Dear freelight,

You should share post no. 205 with many others. It will help them understand you so much more easily!!

Much Love and God's Blessings,

Michael

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 20th, 2013, 03:03 AM
For one thing, they didn't channel it, they shared it. Someone else "channeled" it.

Same-same. It was "channeled". Sorcery.


Secondly, you're more of an atheist than I am if you think the fountain of spiritual knowledge was exclusive to a tribe of Israelite.

I don't. Occultic perversions were prevalent long before the beginning of the unfolding of Judaism, and on into Christianity.


They didn't exist in a vacuum.

I said nothing of hoovers.


Nothing freelight or Michael has posted is spiritually bankrupt.

Everything they've posted is spiritually bankrupt. It's all soulish.


As for oneness not being true, I challenge you to post pics of you separating your mind, soul and body

First, the mind is a soul faculty; and man is body, soul, spirit.


so we can see how the universe exist triune and not as One entity.

Man's constitution is trichotomous/tripartite, not triune. And the universe has nothing to do with the constitution of man, and vice versa.


Maybe you can prove us wrong?

I'll be waiting.

The sharp, powerful, two-edged Logos is that which pierces to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, joints (body) and marrow (soul). The soul and spirit are incorporeal and cannot be seen.

There's nothing to prove wrong. Everything is bare assertion. You've compared man's constitution to the universe and declared they're synonymous. LOL.

No need to wait. You haven't proven yourself right. This whole thread and all others like it are filled with declarations, assertions, contentions, affirmations, statements, and designations that have no support whatsoever.

It's all pure abstract fallacious esotericism by declaration. The mumbo-jumbo double-speak to encompass all views is inane. Man does not retain, reclaim, attain, or maintain Divinity in any manner. Man is not the I AM.

MichaelCadry
October 20th, 2013, 03:54 AM
Quote:
Nothing freelight or Michael has posted is spiritually bankrupt.

Dear PPS,

You are right. Nothing pj or me posted is spiritually bankrupt. It is instead spiritually a fountain of wonder. Thanks for your backing.

In God's Love,

MichaelC

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 20th, 2013, 01:25 PM
Quote:
Nothing freelight or Michael has posted is spiritually bankrupt.

Dear PPS,

You are right. Nothing pj or me posted is spiritually bankrupt. It is instead spiritually a fountain of wonder. Thanks for your backing.

In God's Love,

MichaelC

Read it again. You don't have any backing from me for the untruth you proclaim as truth. I quoted one of your compadre Atheists and indicated the opposite.

It's a soulish mountain of blunder, not a spiritual fountain of wonder.

In God's Love,
PPS

John Mortimer
October 20th, 2013, 04:50 PM
If we but reflect upon what this means or infers, our very life and being is of 'God' alone, since there is no life, energy or consciousness separate from 'God'.




pj

...and if we go a little deeper here we see that "being" is one.

"For in Him we live and move and have our being".

So "we" the innumerable centers of consciousness in the relative manifestation of the "I AM", live (our various stories) and move (in our various ways) and have our being - ONE being. You know that you are and that is your being-ness. I know that I am and that is my being-ness. Yet, my being-ness is absolutely identical to your being-ness and that of anyone reading this. Being is one. Undeniably.

freelight
October 20th, 2013, 06:11 PM
In God's Love,

PPS

Yes, 'God' is Love. Love fulfills itself in the realization of Oneness, where individual expressions of 'God' see that every 'other' is but a manifestation of one universal indivisible Self (Brahman/atman). Herein the law of love is fulfilled because one loves the total collective creation and centering 'being' and 'consciousness' that every one really is (that being their true 'nature', their 'beingness'). "Love thy neighbor as thyself",....because they are non-different from you in essence, there being only that one eternal presence of enduring value, which is unchanging but includes change in the creative play of consciousness.



pj

MichaelCadry
October 20th, 2013, 07:26 PM
Dear freelight,

Great Post 211. God is Love and Love is God! Will chat with you soon. To My Good Friend!!!

MichaelCadry
October 20th, 2013, 07:33 PM
Dear PPS,

Nothing (freelight or Michael has posted) is spiritually bankrupt.

I was just trying to show you that what you said was evidently a mistake on your part. Nothing is spiritually bankrupt re: Michael and freelight.

God Bless You and Yours,

zippy2006
October 20th, 2013, 09:54 PM
This whole thread and all others like it are filled with declarations, assertions, contentions, affirmations, statements, and designations that have no support whatsoever.

It's all pure abstract fallacious esotericism by declaration. The mumbo-jumbo double-speak to encompass all views is inane. Man does not retain, reclaim, attain, or maintain Divinity in any manner. Man is not the I AM.

This is well-said. Freelight & Co. are in some ways quarantined and ignored by the majority of TOLers, but this sort of clear response is necessary from time to time, hard as it is for some to hear.

The declarations made in threads like these certainly do not have any support. To try to compare them with principled systematic thinking of any kind--be it philosophy, theology, hard science, etc.--would be a great mistake. Beyond that, they don't even rise to the coherence of more esoteric religion like orthodox Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Mystical Islam, or anything else of the like. It's really just a mockery of every world religion and serious system of thought all at once. I could literally program a computer to spew out a mish-mash of juxtaposed ideas and words indistinguishable from those that fill threads like these, silly New-Age bookstores, and ultimately garage-sale tables and landfills.

If you are buying these contentless books today, there is a 100% chance that they will be in your garage sale or your garbage 5-10 years from now. You don't have to believe me, you just have to wait a few years.

The obsession in question is simply another form of idolatry; excessively politically correct idolatry, but idolatry nonetheless. It is a more subtle form of egoism. I myself prefer the more direct egoism of the overzealous scientist or investor, since they actually have a chance at producing something worthwhile.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 20th, 2013, 10:24 PM
This is well-said. Freelight & Co. are in some ways quarantined and ignored by the majority of TOLers, but this sort of clear response is necessary from time to time, hard as it is for some to hear.

The declarations made in threads like these certainly do not have any support. To try to compare them with principled systematic thinking of any kind--be it philosophy, theology, hard science, etc.--would be a great mistake. Beyond that, they don't even rise to the coherence of more esoteric religion like orthodox Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Mystical Islam, or anything else of the like. It's really just a mockery of every world religion and serious system of thought all at once. I could literally program a computer to spew out a mish-mash of juxtaposed ideas and words indistinguishable from those that fill threads like these, silly New-Age bookstores, and ultimately garage-sale tables and landfills.

If you are buying these contentless books today, there is a 100% chance that they will be in your garage sale or your garbage 5-10 years from now. You don't have to believe me, you just have to wait a few years.

The obsession in question is simply another form of idolatry; excessively politically correct idolatry, but idolatry nonetheless. It is a more subtle form of egoism. I myself prefer the more direct egoism of the overzealous scientist or investor, since they actually have a chance at producing something worthwhile.

Indeed.

It's all Non-Absolutist, Ultra-Tolerant, Syncretistic Communitarianism as an inane amalgamated confluence of false esoteric Occultism.

It's the cheap B-movie of belief systems. Integrated nothingness as purported somethingness, with man as God.

Zeke
October 20th, 2013, 10:32 PM
This is well-said. Freelight & Co. are in some ways quarantined and ignored by the majority of TOLers, but this sort of clear response is necessary from time to time, hard as it is for some to hear.

The declarations made in threads like these certainly do not have any support. To try to compare them with principled systematic thinking of any kind--be it philosophy, theology, hard science, etc.--would be a great mistake. Beyond that, they don't even rise to the coherence of more esoteric religion like orthodox Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Mystical Islam, or anything else of the like. It's really just a mockery of every world religion and serious system of thought all at once. I could literally program a computer to spew out a mish-mash of juxtaposed ideas and words indistinguishable from those that fill threads like these, silly New-Age bookstores, and ultimately garage-sale tables and landfills.

If you are buying these contentless books today, there is a 100% chance that they will be in your garage sale or your garbage 5-10 years from now. You don't have to believe me, you just have to wait a few years.

The obsession in question is simply another form of idolatry; excessively politically correct idolatry, but idolatry nonetheless. It is a more subtle form of egoism. I myself prefer the more direct egoism of the overzealous scientist or investor, since they actually have a chance at producing something worthwhile.

This is funny, Catholics have their mystic strain as well which mimic much of the same type of teaching, plus the majority you speak of is also questionable concerning freelight, the Catholics along with their Jesuits historical record of the treatment of the native peoples of this planet is shameful to say the least so look in the mirror.

John Mortimer
October 21st, 2013, 12:28 AM
Yes, 'God' is Love. Love fulfills itself in the realization of Oneness, where individual expressions of 'God' see that every 'other' is but a manifestation of one universal indivisible Self (Brahman/atman).

Yes, this is important because there is a great deal of confusion as to what love actually is. Love is the unconditional desire to BE. When exclusive identification with a particular body-mind happens love is colored by that mistaken identification. The flip side of desire is fear and so inevitably the death of the body is greatly feared by those who have colored love by such mis-identification.

The deeper meaning of Jesus' teaching that you should do unto as others as you would have them do unto you is that, in fact, what you do to others you ARE doing to yourself. Even statements such as, "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brothers, ye have done it unto me" indicate quite clearly that Jesus was a Self-realized One. The "King" here IS that One being.



...there being only that one eternal presence of enduring value, which is unchanging but includes change in the creative play of consciousness.

Well, I would say the Immutable Eternal is aware of change in the creative play of consciousness. (It could even be said that change is the very nature of consciousness). I think I understand what you mean by the word, "includes", because consciousness can only appear because of the Immutable Eternal and so the concept of the I AM arising within the Parabrahman is an auspicious one.

freelight
October 21st, 2013, 01:13 AM
Yes, this is important because there is a great deal of confusion as to what love actually is. Love is the unconditional desire to BE. When exclusive identification with a particular body-mind happens love is colored by that mistaken identification. The flip side of desire is fear and so inevitably the death of the body is greatly feared by those who have colored love by such mis-identification.

The deeper meaning of Jesus' teaching that you should do unto as others as you would have them do unto you is that, in fact, what you do to others you ARE doing to yourself. Even statements such as, "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brothers, ye have done it unto me" indicate quite clearly that Jesus was a Self-realized One. The "King" here IS that One being.


:thumb:

In Love there is no separation, difference or otherness....in the realization that all is one (not two). This is the non-dual realization. 'Otherness' does appear in the realm of duality, where difference, distinctions, specialness and individuality arise, but these are all ultimately submerged into the primal Oneness from which they spring, that prior reality that is indivisible in nature.

Creation itself springs from the Heart of Love to experience the integration of two (or the many) becoming one, as in the principle of marriage and the dual poles/polarities of masculine/feminine co-operating in synergy to procreate, begetting new generations, adaptations and evolutions. Trinity-assocations are also part of the creative cosmic play (all multiples). All is 'God'(spirit, light, energy, consciousness) in play, for it is The One enfolding and outfolding Its own SELF. There is no 'other', but only in the appearance of 'otherness' in creation.



Well, I would say the Immutable Eternal is aware of change in the creative play of consciousness. (It could even be said that change is the very nature of consciousness). I think I understand what you mean by the word, "includes", because consciousness can only appear because of the Immutable Eternal and so the concept of the I AM arising within the Parabrahman is an auspicious one.

Yes, I meant that.....meaning the unchanging includes all movements of change, creation, evolution which arise in the play of space-time. All comings and going arise in Awareness, which itself never changes but is the eternal Witness. I agree that consciousness by nature features within it the ever-changing movements of space, energy, light, matter, all the elements. The beautiful mystery is recognizing the non-dual One co-existing amidst the moving images of creational experience and inter-actions of the mind (the realm of duality and its associations).

No worries,....a new thread on Advaita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta) (non-duality)....or on some of the greater Advaita teachers/teachings is forthcoming, but teasers and tidbits of 'illumination' will be sprinkled here thru-out.

Truth is like a razors edge with cuts thru all the clutter of the mind, and presents itself as Self-luminous, because it is Consciousness itself that is the inner-most nature of 'being'. I sometimes interchange the words 'consciousness' and 'awareness' for the sake of convention, but I'm sure you know the difference if the context of a statement infers such. Pure awareness is prior to consciousness and the appearance of any "I" thought, which arises as a concept when the duality of "I" and the world appears together (subject/object). Awareness itself is the base to all reality.


Om shanti,



pj

MichaelCadry
October 21st, 2013, 01:33 AM
Dear PPS,

What part of "God is Love" did you get upset about? You said 'nothing (freelight and Michael) is spiritually bankrupt.' So you are, in fact, saying that we are not spiritually bankrupt. That was the point I wanted to make to you. You just don't get it?? It's a matter of miscommunication.

Michael

freelight
October 21st, 2013, 01:47 AM
This is well-said. Freelight & Co. are in some ways quarantined and ignored by the majority of TOLers, but this sort of clear response is necessary from time to time, hard as it is for some to hear.

The declarations made in threads like these certainly do not have any support. To try to compare them with principled systematic thinking of any kind--be it philosophy, theology, hard science, etc.--would be a great mistake. Beyond that, they don't even rise to the coherence of more esoteric religion like orthodox Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Mystical Islam, or anything else of the like. It's really just a mockery of every world religion and serious system of thought all at once. I could literally program a computer to spew out a mish-mash of juxtaposed ideas and words indistinguishable from those that fill threads like these, silly New-Age bookstores, and ultimately garage-sale tables and landfills.

If you are buying these contentless books today, there is a 100% chance that they will be in your garage sale or your garbage 5-10 years from now. You don't have to believe me, you just have to wait a few years.

The obsession in question is simply another form of idolatry; excessively politically correct idolatry, but idolatry nonetheless. It is a more subtle form of egoism. I myself prefer the more direct egoism of the overzealous scientist or investor, since they actually have a chance at producing something worthwhile.

Hi zippy,

Long time no dialogue. I'll take the above with a grain of salt. Now to the real meat -

Reality itself is Self-evident as the light of consciousness itself (http://www.consciousnessitself.org/), or that light behind consciousness that makes it possible. It is what IS....forever and always, unchanging, unborn, undying, omnipresent. I am that (http://www.youarethat.org/foundations/yat.htm).

While I could address each other your 'assumptions' or 'assertions' above, I'll leave you with the pure teaching of 'Advaita' and the teachers such as 'Nisargadatta Maharaj' (http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/)and 'Ramana Maharshi' (http://davidgodman.org/rteach/rteach.shtml) to inquire of, for starters. While many know I'm very eclectic in my approach in universal philosophy, science and metaphysics,...I always come back to the basics of realization of the 'Self', which is the only base, ground and center of 'reality' whereby all or anything is known. The I AM ever remains as pure light. - all begins and ends in that sphere of consciousness. However, there is a more primal awareness that is prior to it that is without beginning or end. The 'I Am' is the door or gate to 'that', which is its source.



pj

John Mortimer
October 21st, 2013, 04:26 AM
:thumb:

In Love there is no separation, difference or otherness....in the realization that all is one (not two).

Yes - and ironically :chuckle: - we have to make a distinction here between Love and love because love has an opposite, (hate), whereas there is no opposite, nor can there be any opposition to, Love. This latter point is clearly felt in the fact that none of us asked to be born.



'Otherness' does appear in the realm of duality, where difference, distinctions, specialness and individuality arise, but these are all ultimately submerged into the primal Oneness from which they spring, that prior reality that is indivisible in nature.

Quite so. And there is nothing "wrong" with duality. It is true that there can be no suffering without the duality inherent in the manifest consciousness but neither can there be pleasure or anything else we normally conceive of as "good".




Yes, I meant that.....meaning the unchanging includes all movements of change, creation, evolution which arise in the play of space-time. All comings and going arise in Awareness, which itself never changes but is the eternal Witness. I agree that consciousness by nature features within it the ever-changing movements of space, energy, light, matter, all the elements. The beautiful mystery is recognizing the non-dual One co-existing amidst the moving images of creational experience and inter-actions of the mind (the realm of duality and its associations).

The play of consciousness would not be possible without the unchanging background of the Unborn Awareness, in much the same way as a movie would not be perceivable without a blank screen.



No worries,....a new thread on Advaita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta) (non-duality)....or on some of the greater Advaita teachers/teachings is forthcoming, but teasers and tidbits of 'illumination' will be sprinkled here thru-out.

Truth is like a razors edge with cuts thru all the clutter of the mind, and presents itself as Self-luminous, because it is Consciousness itself that is the inner-most nature of 'being'. I sometimes interchange the words 'consciousness' and 'awareness' for the sake of convention, but I'm sure you know the difference if the context of a statement infers such. Pure awareness is prior to consciousness and the appearance of any "I" thought, which arises as a concept when the duality of "I" and the world appears together (subject/object). Awareness itself is the base to all reality.

Cool!


Om shanti,

Om shanti Om :)


pj[/QUOTE]

John Mortimer
October 21st, 2013, 04:31 AM
Dear PPS,

What part of "God is Love" did you get upset about? You said 'nothing (freelight and Michael) is spiritually bankrupt.' So you are, in fact, saying that we are not spiritually bankrupt.

Michael....it was Quincy who said that nothing you and freelight said was spiritually bankrupt, not PPS. :)

Zeke
October 21st, 2013, 07:10 PM
This is well-said. Freelight & Co. are in some ways quarantined and ignored by the majority of TOLers, but this sort of clear response is necessary from time to time, hard as it is for some to hear.

The declarations made in threads like these certainly do not have any support. To try to compare them with principled systematic thinking of any kind--be it philosophy, theology, hard science, etc.--would be a great mistake. Beyond that, they don't even rise to the coherence of more esoteric religion like orthodox Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Mystical Islam, or anything else of the like. It's really just a mockery of every world religion and serious system of thought all at once. I could literally program a computer to spew out a mish-mash of juxtaposed ideas and words indistinguishable from those that fill threads like these, silly New-Age bookstores, and ultimately garage-sale tables and landfills.

If you are buying these contentless books today, there is a 100% chance that they will be in your garage sale or your garbage 5-10 years from now. You don't have to believe me, you just have to wait a few years.

The obsession in question is simply another form of idolatry; excessively politically correct idolatry, but idolatry nonetheless. It is a more subtle form of egoism. I myself prefer the more direct egoism of the overzealous scientist or investor, since they actually have a chance at producing something worthwhile.

Your stuck in a system Zip, time to disengage from the pod.

freelight
October 21st, 2013, 09:02 PM
Michael....it was Quincy who said that nothing you and freelight said was spiritually bankrupt, not PPS. :)


In the context of a 'non-dual' understanding,


I find it peculiar of those judging something or someone to be 'spiritually bankrupt' as they assume their 'concept', 'system' , 'theology' or 'belief-system' is either 'exclusive' or 'superior' to any other. True freedom is the dropping of all concepts, beliefs, opinions altogether, where one stands free as consciousness itself, centering in the 'I Am', which is reality itself, free of any additions, encumberments or distortions of 'ego'. While some may claim my approach is but a figment of ego-imagination having no substance, the substance of life or 'being' is always present, Omni-available, NOW. I am that. Reality is the Self, that is Being. It is fully luminous of its own existence, prior to any concept of space or time, prior to any assumption of mind or form whatsoever. This is freedom,...it is what already always is. It cannot be de-scribed...but only re-cognized. Reality neither comes or goes, ever, since it is omnipresent.




pj

Zeke
October 21st, 2013, 09:35 PM
In the context of a 'non-dual' understanding,


I find it peculiar of those judging something or someone to be 'spiritually bankrupt' as they assume their 'concept', 'system' , 'theology' or 'belief-system' is either 'exclusive' or 'superior' to any other. True freedom is the dropping of all concepts, beliefs, opinions altogether, where one stands free as consciousness itself, centering in the 'I Am', which is reality itself, free of any additions, encumberments or distortions of 'ego'. While some may claim my approach is but a figment of ego-imagination having no substance, the substance of life or 'being' is always present, Omni-available, NOW. I am that. Reality is the Self, that is Being. It is fully luminous of its own existence, prior to any concept of space or time, prior to any assumption of mind or form whatsoever. This is freedom,...it is what already always is. It cannot be de-scribed...but only re-cognized. Reality neither comes or goes, ever, since it is omnipresent.




pj

Yes my friend Freelight you are luminous, though I am just a fellow traveler not as well versed as you in dialect, or expression, I also know it doesn't matter I am where I need to be.

Much blessings and all that Jazz, Zeke.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 21st, 2013, 10:53 PM
Dear PPS,

What part of "God is Love" did you get upset about?

The part where all you hyper-pseudo-esotericists have no clue who God is or what Love is and engage in rampant idolatry of egoism and more.


You said 'nothing (freelight and Michael) is spiritually bankrupt.' So you are, in fact, saying that we are not spiritually bankrupt. That was the point I wanted to make to you. You just don't get it?? It's a matter of miscommunication.

Michael

When you can't even tell who said what, it's an indicator not to trust what you say. Toss in the absurd content, and it's beyond laughable.

You guys must presume some of us haven't become intimately familiar with all these goofy schools of thought relative to an alleged singularity of universal consciousness and self-realization and all that crap.

I'm very acquainted with every cobweb of these views. What you're purporting IS the culminating onset OF the Matrix, not unplugging FROM the Matrix.

I'm a red-piller who knows the truth about God. You guys have been downing blue pills like they're candy. Here comes the Matrix.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 21st, 2013, 11:01 PM
Hi zippy,

Long time no dialogue. I'll take the above with a grain of salt. Now to the real meat -

Reality itself is Self-evident as the light of consciousness itself (http://www.consciousnessitself.org/), or that light behind consciousness that makes it possible. It is what IS....forever and always, unchanging, unborn, undying, omnipresent. I am that (http://www.youarethat.org/foundations/yat.htm).

While I could address each other your 'assumptions' or 'assertions' above, I'll leave you with the pure teaching of 'Advaita' and the teachers such as 'Nisargadatta Maharaj' (http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/)and 'Ramana Maharshi' (http://davidgodman.org/rteach/rteach.shtml) to inquire of, for starters.

Pure teaching?!?! LOL. Nope. This is just more of your presumptive unfounded assertion.


While many know I'm very eclectic in my approach in universal philosophy, science and metaphysics,...I always come back to the basics of realization of the 'Self', which is the only base, ground and center of 'reality' whereby all or anything is known. The I AM ever remains as pure light. - all begins and ends in that sphere of consciousness. However, there is a more primal awareness that is prior to it that is without beginning or end. The 'I Am' is the door or gate to 'that', which is its source.



pj

Yep, it's all about self.

Consciousness is the functionality of the mind. The mind is a soul faculty, not a faculty of the spirit.

All this drivel is soulish (contrasted to soulical, which is merely the descriptive appropriate designed purpose of the soul), not spiritual.

Intuitive knowlege (oida) is spiritual. This is the inverse. All of it. And exponentially so.

Zeke
October 21st, 2013, 11:48 PM
Oh my! it must be hell fire and brimstone for all those who don't agree with the christian religion, take me lawd take me lawd I am ready.

freelight
October 22nd, 2013, 12:12 AM
~*~*~


Continuing commentary on 2013 new year message (http://probablefuture.com/2013.htm) and post # 103 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3612957&postcount=103) -


Soon, major events will need to occur so that the perception of The One becomes anchored into this and many other realities. Soon, no one will be allowed to even doubt it.

The One-and-Only is gently asking His beloved creatures to let go of their belief systems which separate the Godliness and His Creation into distinct realities, for such is not the case.

Time has come for The One-and-Only to bring all of His children home and show them a new Creation, a new Song, a new way. They all erred like lost sheep without a real shepherd.

There will be no judgment placed upon their former errors. Nevertheless, there will be great effort and intense intervention so that man understands that there is but One God, not many, One Source, not many, One Origin, not many, and It is all The One-and-Only.

All systems that flourished based on dominion and enslavement of others shall be made to fully disappear from the face of Creation. All beliefs which tried to portray the Godliness in a restricted manner, or negate His true Reality by introducing elements of worship of lower manifestations, shall fully disappear.

The One will connect to receptive humans, in order to guide their thoughts into newer forms of manifestation of Creative energy, to allow for a full stop to so many dangerous and poisonous forms of it which are now extensively used by mankind and have created tremendous damage to the fabric of this planet and far beyond.

As all beings move in-towards a greater expression or manifestion of Oneness, then the qualities, attributes and nature of 'God' reveal themselves. If the inner nature, motive, desire, intention and complete unity of the human spirit is one with divine Spirit, then there is the kingdom of 'God', in nature, form and substance. (seed, root, stems, leaves and fruit are of one tree). While this may sound like a utopian ideal or unattainable dream....it is that principle of lawful union which brings about realization and possession of the kingdom, for it is in that sphere of conscious light that God is.


All entities that believe that they can oppose the Will of The Oneness will face the fury of Oneness when It manifests Its full and deepest Love for all of Creation.

Creation will shift very soon from an emphasis on encouraging uncontrolled competition to an emphasis on wanting to manifest infinite co-operation.

The Godliness knows far too well, for He has experienced an infinitely large number of Creations, that uncontrolled competition always brings about uncontrolled suffering.

There shall not remain pockets of uncontrolled greed and corruption; these shall all be made to implode and be totally erased from Creation.

Again, here we see the full victory of Spirit where 'God' is all in all, and all that is not of 'God' is made to disintegrate, dissolve, become as nothing in the fullness of His presence. Even economic and diplomatic relations honor the divine laws and principles when real love is at the heart of all relations, because it is the love-principle itself that is motivating all actions. Where love reigns, that is heaven.

No matter what religious tradition, mythology or nomenclature is adopted in one's belief-system, until the fundmental laws that govern harmonious relations are recognized and lived, there can be no kingdom of heaven on earth. Whether a god-man, messiah, avatar or bodhisattva is the catalyst to bring such a state about, it is individuals in community that must live in such harmony for such to be.



pj

freelight
October 22nd, 2013, 12:35 AM
Pure teaching?!?! LOL. Nope. This is just more of your presumptive unfounded assertion.

Yes, the pure teaching of Advaita (non-duality), which points directly to the knowing Self, which is pure consciousness. I am that. I am. - this is the fundamental truth. - all else is conceptual.



Yep, it's all about self.

The 'Self' referred to in Advaita is 'Brahman/atman',...the eternal, unborn, undying nature. It is one's true identity, NOT the ego-self, although the ego arises as a superimposed or temporal identity in the play of space-time.


Consciousness is the functionality of the mind. The mind is a soul faculty, not a faculty of the spirit.

All this drivel is soulish (contrasted to soulical, which is merely the descriptive appropriate designed purpose of the soul), not spiritual.

Intuitive knowlege (oida) is spiritual. This is the inverse. All of it. And exponentially so.

These intellectual equivalents all depend on how one defines and relates the terms, in what 'system' and in what 'context', so they are quite 'relative'.

Also I asked earlier how you qualify and justify your terms of 'soul' and 'spirit' and why they are to be distinguished, and what significance comes from such a 'division'. - this would be according to whatever system you're referencing, which doesn't compute much until its explained to readers.

Also, your claim of these writings as 'soulish' in contrast of 'soulical' is rather vague, since you're the only one claiming the distinction without offering proof. As if that mattered, beyond because "you say so". The words we use are only 'symbolic' pointers to some concept, thing or reality beyond them. - hence their utility.

In any case as shared already, the concept of Oneness includes both 'non-dual' and 'dualistic' aspects, since all creation is a manifold one, but the underlying reality behind all plurality is the indivisible oneness of Spirit, which is also a living MIND (awareness/consciousness).

'God' is One', and so his divine creation or Creation Itself is one.



pj

Ben Masada
October 22nd, 2013, 01:17 AM
IMHO, the only way for an absolute return to Oneness is to join the Jewish Faith which is Judaism. (Isa.1:18,19)

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 22nd, 2013, 01:26 AM
~*~*~

Continuing commentary on 2013 new year message (http://probablefuture.com/2013.htm) and post # 103 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3612957&postcount=103) -

As all beings move in-towards a greater expression or manifestion of Oneness, then the qualities, attributes and nature of 'God' reveal themselves. If the inner nature, motive, desire, intention and complete unity of the human spirit is one with divine Spirit, then there is the kingdom of 'God', in nature, form and substance. (seed, root, stems, leaves and fruit are of one tree). While this may sound like a utopian ideal or unattainable dream....it is that principle of lawful union which brings about realization and possession of the kingdom, for it is in that sphere of conscious light that God is.

Again, here we see the full victory of Spirit where 'God' is all in all, and all that is not of 'God' is made to disintegrate, dissolve, become as nothing in the fullness of His presence. Even economic and diplomatic relations honor the divine laws and principles when real love is at the heart of all relations, because it is the love-principle itself that is motivating all actions. Where love reigns, that is heaven.

No matter what religious tradition, mythology or nomenclature is adopted in one's belief-system, until the fundmental laws that govern harmonious relations are recognized and lived, there can be no kingdom of heaven on earth. Whether a god-man, messiah, avatar or bodhisattva is the catalyst to bring such a state about, it is individuals in community that must live in such harmony for such to be.

pj

And there it all is in a nutshell. The global agenda and initiative of the spirit of antichrist, to be set up in the temple of God to be worshipped AS God.

The temple of God is that which is not made with hands. This abomination of desolation illustrated above is the masquerade to displace the one true and living God with a pseudo-light from the latent power within man's soul that God has designated and delegated for HIS glory

This religion is all man's glory AS "God" via counterfeit soulish projection to immitate true illumination of the spirit.

And yes, it will sweep the world, including political and economic segments. Indeed, it is well underway. Communitarianism. Dominionist drivel. The practical implementation is already established and gaining momentum on the world stage in every way.

It's Tower of Babel, Part Deux. You guys are the weak, to have been taken in so totally. It's the most soulish who have been overtaken first. Soon you'll be zombifying scads of others with your infectious bites.

It must come to pass. I just like exposing it as it rears its ugly head. You have no idea how heinous this thing is. It will turn and devour you after you've been its minion.

It's not God. And you're not God. And no human is God OR part of God or any collective consciousness.

You're in the Matrix. That blue pill has dropped you down the rabbit hole. There may be no help for you at this point.

This is the stupidest religion ever. The attempt to encompass all belief systems and ultimately to forcibly disallow any variance. It's the greatest intolerance of all, just like all alleged tolerance.

Whack-a-doodle-doo!

John Mortimer
October 22nd, 2013, 01:31 AM
In the context of a 'non-dual' understanding,


I find it peculiar of those judging something or someone to be 'spiritually bankrupt' as they assume their 'concept', 'system' , 'theology' or 'belief-system' is either 'exclusive' or 'superior' to any other.

In many cases, it's the need for certainty. That was my experience in the past. Each individual has unique reasons for thinking and behaving as they do of course, but I do remember in my own case feeling a desperate frustration because the questions that really matter were met with an apathetic shrug by most people....a of kind, "who knows?" :idunno: attitude. I also found it frustrating that the major religions and philosophies were generally at odds with each other. I had no time for all the spiritual "entertainment" out there - I wanted real solid answers to the questions that mattered immediately. So as soon as there was a truly profound experience of Jesus Christ for me, I was ready to invest all of my belief in the particular brand of Christianity that seemed the most serious. It took me 25 years to get out of that. I can understand therefore that need to oppose anything that seems to contradict the conceptual system that one's faith has been invested in. Remember the fear factor also. The idea will no doubt seem self-evidently absurd to you that some terrible and irreversible consequence will be the result of believing the "wrong" things. But
you know the power of consciousness - and if that is what consciousness happens to be doing, it will do it and nothing will stand in its way.


True freedom is the dropping of all concepts, beliefs, opinions altogether, where one stands free as consciousness itself,

Oh, YES! :)



centering in the 'I Am', which is reality itself,

Well, "I am" is the Primary concept - but it is time bound and it comes and goes. The Awareness of the sense of Presence is most certainly reality itself.



free of any additions, encumberments or distortions of 'ego'.

This is what I refer to as the universal consciousness per se. However, as soon as the sense "I am" is, spontaneously and simultaneously the universe is also. Is it possible for the "I Am" to be free of additions??? The great thing is that consciousness remains consciousness no matter what happens...it in itself is completely untouched by even the dissolution of the universe. That is why the I AM is the gateway to a freedom that was in truth never lost.


While some may claim my approach is but a figment of ego-imagination having no substance, the substance of life or 'being' is always present, Omni-available, NOW. I am that.

Namaste! :)


Reality is the Self, that is Being. It is fully luminous of its own existence, prior to any concept of space or time, prior to any assumption of mind or form whatsoever. This is freedom,...it is what already always is. It cannot be de-scribed...but only re-cognized. Reality neither comes or goes, ever, since it is omnipresent.

Absolutely!
:king:

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 22nd, 2013, 01:32 AM
IMHO, the only way for an absolute return to Oneness is to join the Jewish Faith which is Judaism. (Isa.1:18,19)

There is no Biblical Judaism. It's extinct. No temple, no sacrifices, no Levitical Priesthood, no yet-coming Messiah.

But since your Rabbinic Pharisaic Talmudism is Kabbalah at its core as ancient Babylonian Occtultic Mysticism, you're actually within the same underlying religion as all this Oneness of the Universal Consciousness garbage in the guise of truth.

Shake hands with your compatriots here. You're preachin' the same schtuff. God that isn't God. Love that isn't love. The soulish for the spiritual. Self as the realization of all. Ultimately totally intolerance as tolerance; all of which is allegedly love.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 22nd, 2013, 01:44 AM
Yes, the pure teaching of Advaita (non-duality), which points directly to the knowing Self, which is pure consciousness. I am that. I am. - this is the fundamental truth. - all else is conceptual.

The 'Self' referred to in Advaita is 'Brahman/atman',...the eternal, unborn, undying nature. It is one's true identity, NOT the ego-self, although the ego arises as a superimposed or temporal identity in the play of space-time.

These intellectual equivalents all depend on how one defines and relates the terms, in what 'system' and in what 'context', so they are quite 'relative'.

Also I asked earlier how you qualify and justify your terms of 'soul' and 'spirit' and why they are to be distinguished, and what significance comes from such a 'division'. - this would be according to whatever system you're referencing, which doesn't compute much until its explained to readers.

Also, your claim of these writings as 'soulish' in contrast of 'soulical' is rather vague, since you're the only one claiming the distinction without offering proof. As if that mattered, beyond because "you say so". The words we use are only 'symbolic' pointers to some concept, thing or reality beyond them. - hence their utility.

In any case as shared already, the concept of Oneness includes both 'non-dual' and 'dualistic' aspects, since all creation is a manifold one, but the underlying reality behind all plurality is the indivisible oneness of Spirit, which is also a living MIND (awareness/consciousness).

'God' is One', and so his divine creation or Creation Itself is one.

pj

This is the best part, and the blatant underlying inequity of everything you've ever posted.

As bolded above...
"As if that mattered, beyond because "you say so"."

You undermine and berate and demean every word you say with your own double standards and much more.

You're not "free" at all. Everything you believe and say is just a concept that has no meaning. Everything you say is applied to yourself and everything you say.

It's all just Scooby-Doo chasing his tail. Ruh-roh.

MichaelCadry
October 22nd, 2013, 01:59 AM
Dear PPS,

Sounds like you're PMS! What part of God is Love and Love is God don't you understand? No, we're not a Scooby-Doo cartoon, so grow up. Get real. Did you go to college? That might explain part of it. Love each other as much as you love yourself. And Love God with all your Heart, Soul and Mind. That is what we adhere to here.

As Time Passes, You Will Find Answers!!

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 22nd, 2013, 02:00 AM
Oh my! it must be hell fire and brimstone for all those who don't agree with the christian religion, take me lawd take me lawd I am ready.

In spite of what idiot indoctrinated fear-mongering preachers spew, the Gospel of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with hellfire and brimstone.

I have almost as much criticism for the dilution of the true Christian faith among its proponents as I do for the fecal vortex that has sucked you into its nexxus of nothingness as somethingness.

What you and all your compadres are embracing and ushering in IS gehenna. It will turn to eternal torment AS the One Consciousness, etc. The limne tou puros, beginning right here on earth in this age. You're already being consumed by it.

My guess is you have pikria (bitterness) in your heart. That's usually the onset of accepting all this crap; especially after being in some hammer-dead condemnational faction of the Christian faith.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 22nd, 2013, 02:02 AM
Dear PPS,

Sounds like you're PMS! What part of God is Love and Love is God don't you understand? No, we're not a Scooby-Doo cartoon, so grow up. Get real. Did you go to college? That might explain part of it. Love each other as much as you love yourself. And Love God with all your Heart, Soul and Mind. That is what we adhere to here.

As Time Passes, You Will Find Answers!!

I know and understand God and Love. None of what you and your compatriots post is either.

freelight
October 22nd, 2013, 02:39 AM
And there it all is in a nutshell. The global agenda and initiative of the spirit of antichrist, to be set up in the temple of God to be worshipped AS God.

The temple of God is that which is not made with hands. This abomination of desolation illustrated above is the masquerade to displace the one true and living God with a pseudo-light from the latent power within man's soul that God has designated and delegated for HIS glory

This religion is all man's glory AS "God" via counterfeit soulish projection to immitate true illumination of the spirit.

And yes, it will sweep the world, including political and economic segments. Indeed, it is well underway. Communitarianism. Dominionist drivel. The practical implementation is already established and gaining momentum on the world stage in every way.

It's Tower of Babel, Part Deux. You guys are the weak, to have been taken in so totally. It's the most soulish who have been overtaken first. Soon you'll be zombifying scads of others with your infectious bites.

It must come to pass. I just like exposing it as it rears its ugly head. You have no idea how heinous this thing is. It will turn and devour you after you've been its minion.

Many a preconceptions there, a tightly defined complex of assumptions.


It's not God. And you're not God. And no human is God OR part of God or any collective consciousness.

All there is, is consciousness. Can you prove otherwise? Can anything exist apart from consciousness? It would help to understand what 'Brahman (http://www.hinduwebsite.com/brahmanmain.asp)' is within Hinduism for starters here, which is where the ancient teaching of Advaita (http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/concepts/advaitaconcept.asp) inheres. In the non-dual context I often contextualize things from an advaitic (non-dualistic) POV, but there are other aspects of non-dualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism) from other religious traditions that offer different facets in the equation. It might be helpful to study up and actually learn where I'm coming from before super-imposing your belief-system and concepts here.

Atman is Brahman (http://scienceandnonduality.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/atman-is-brahman/)


You're in the Matrix. That blue pill has dropped you down the rabbit hole. There may be no help for you at this point.

Again, entertaining your own preconceptions here, and having fun at it, which could be at your own expense. While the analogy of the matrix has its perks, the concept of oneness in its full comprehension exceeds it. Where God is already all, there is no lack or need of 'help', since there is always already perfection. Does 'God' lack anything NOW? Right here NOW is all the 'God' there is. There is no lack in what is whole. What is whole (one) is always present.


This is the stupidest religion ever. The attempt to encompass all belief systems and ultimately to forcibly disallow any variance. It's the greatest intolerance of all, just like all alleged tolerance.

Again your misconceptions of a some syncretic religious collage, when there is no attempt at such, but recognition that a universal truth exists and is expressed in various forms among various religious traditions and schools of philosophy, since 'God' is the One and Only presence of truth thru-out all, no matter what distortions or imperfections arise in the perception of man. Such is the way of the 'Perennial Philosophy' (http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/slideshows/view.aspx?SlideShowID=41).

Love has true tolerance of real individual liberties based on universal laws and principles. Cooperation and tolerance go along way towards establishing peace and harmony.

Adi da Samraj approaches the world-condition from an Advaitic perspective in his work 'Not-Two is Peace' (http://www.da-peace.org/), based on the prior unity of mankind as a global family, - such is sourced back to the unity behind all that exists, so naturally includes every level and stage of human experience.


Whack-a-doodle-doo!

That about sums up most of your criticisms and misconceived judgments.



pj

MichaelCadry
October 22nd, 2013, 02:45 AM
Dear PPS,

Hi Pneuma. I know what real Love is and Who God is. We know here that Our Father is One with Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and all of us. As long as God deems it to be. Life is eternal for those who choose Him and His Son, and His Holy Ghost. We do believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. We have not denied that. I speak in maybe more popular language that you'd like to hear. I do not know all of the fancy words, but I know a real loving heart. I adore God and His Son Jesus, and our Great Holy Spirit, Whom the Lord has sent to me a number of times. Oh, I cannot describe it to you, it is that wonderful. Magnificent. And it rushes into your soul and lets you understand tons of things in an instant. It just doesn't happen more often than I wish it did, though I have been blessed maybe five times so far. Well, I will close for now. No one is here to bite you. If you can't handle the harder college words, ask for Michael.

Much Love In His Holy Name and Being,

Michael

Ben Masada
October 22nd, 2013, 02:58 AM
There is no Biblical Judaism. It's extinct. No temple, no sacrifices, no Levitical Priesthood, no yet-coming Messiah.

But since your Rabbinic Pharisaic Talmudism is Kabbalah at its core as ancient Babylonian Occtultic Mysticism, you're actually within the same underlying religion as all this Oneness of the Universal Consciousness garbage in the guise of truth.

Shake hands with your compatriots here. You're preachin' the same schtuff. God that isn't God. Love that isn't love. The soulish for the spiritual. Self as the realization of all. Ultimately totally intolerance as tolerance; all of which is allegedly love.

You do not speak as a Christian but rather as an atheist. Is the "Christian" on the label just to draw the fish to the bait?

When you refer to "all this Oneness of the Universal Consciousness garbage in the guise of truth" what do you have to offer about the Truth? Is there one after all in your agenda? What is the Truth in your opinion?

John Mortimer
October 22nd, 2013, 09:37 AM
I apologize in advance, freelight, for this critique because I know you find the message inspiring and I owe you so much. :sigh:

"Soon, major events will need to occur so that the perception of The One becomes anchored into this and many other realities. Soon, no one will be allowed to even doubt it."

First of all, events are the spontaneous manifestation of the Consciousness and are completely unpredictable.
The implication in the message here is that there is in fact a state of duality that must be forced back to a state of oneness. But Oneness is the only reality there is....the temporal perception of manifest conscious forms has no more reality than a movie seen once and then forgotten.
There are no realities, (plural), only what is taken to be reality by fleeting conscious forms which are in a constant state of flux themselves.


"The One-and-Only is gently asking His beloved creatures to let go of their belief systems which separate the Godliness and His Creation into distinct realities, for such is not the case."
This is a blatant denial of the Oneness...here we have "The One-and-Only" and "His beloved creatures". There is here in the message the anticipation of some blissful state appearing as a result of a spiritual evolution but the only reality is the One and the absolute perfection of that One is completely untouched by the manifest consciousness, regardless of what states appear.


"Time has come for The One-and-Only to bring all of His children home and show them a new Creation, a new Song, a new way. They all erred like lost sheep without a real shepherd."

This is all soft headed dualistic imagination.

"There will be no judgment placed upon their former errors. Nevertheless, there will be great effort and intense intervention so that man understands that there is but One God, not many, One Source, not many, One Origin, not many, and It is all The One-and-Only."

Why does the idea of judgment placed upon past errors come about? This indicates that "Oneness" is simply a doctrine here. It is being taken seriously by the intellect and the imagination but is confined to the conceivable.
The idea that "there will be great effort and intense intervention so that man understands" indicates that this whole thing has absolutely nothing to do with Advaita Vedanta. The universal I AM is simply the witness of all this. If the I AM were to intervene that "I AM" would not be universal but merely another part of the manifest.


"All systems that flourished based on dominion and enslavement of others shall be made to fully disappear from the face of Creation. All beliefs which tried to portray the Godliness in a restricted manner, or negate His true Reality by introducing elements of worship of lower manifestations, shall fully disappear."

This statement portrays "the Godliness" in a restricted manner. It's also interesting that "the Godliness" is portrayed with a male gender?!

"The One will connect to receptive humans, in order to guide their thoughts into newer forms of manifestation of Creative energy, to allow for a full stop to so many dangerous and poisonous forms of it which are now extensively used by mankind and have created tremendous damage to the fabric of this planet and far beyond."

Again this is dualistic and relative. Not only the duality of The One/Humans but humans are further divided into receptive and relatively non-receptive. The psychosomatic apparatus constituting a human body will respond in accordance with its genetic, (or "elemental") make-up. If consciousness is pleased to manifest in a relatively non-responsive human form then that is how it is. It is neither a good thing nor a bad thing - it just IS.
The Universal I AM has no desire to eradicate what are perceived as dangerous and poisonous forms. The Universal I AM encounters ItSelf in manifestation....it matters not whether it be a pleasant or unpleasant experience for the manifest forms.

"All entities that believe that they can oppose the Will of The Oneness will face the fury of Oneness when It manifests Its full and deepest Love for all of Creation."

:chuckle: Oneness will face the fury of Oneness in full and deepest love. Got it! (Man, I better watch out - I'm starting to sound like John W).
Seriously though - an entity, (itself a mere appearance), may oppose a concept, of "The Oneness" but the One cannot be opposed. Were any of us consulted as to whether we would like to be born?*

"Creation will shift very soon from an emphasis on encouraging uncontrolled competition to an emphasis on wanting to manifest infinite co-operation.

The Godliness knows far too well, for He has experienced an infinitely large number of Creations, that uncontrolled competition always brings about uncontrolled suffering."

The Godliness has no problem with uncontrolled suffering in time for the suffering one IS the "Godliness" in the process of returning to timeless peace.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 22nd, 2013, 01:01 PM
Many a preconceptions there, a tightly defined complex of assumptions.

Vice versa, and backatcha. Everything you propagate is a preconception of tightly defined complex assumptions. You presume your one perspective encompasses all others when it's only your perspective.

You're constantly declaring unfounded subjective absolutes AS the objective absolute. Yet you've foundationally mistaken soul for spirit to postualte your somethingness of nothingness, just as all the ignorant gurus have for all of time immemorial.


All there is, is consciousness. Can you prove otherwise?

You haven't proven it in the first place for their to be a necessary disproof. You've just subjectively declared it and presumed it as the one central objective truth, while trying to encompass and amalgamate an overarching synchretism of aggregate belief systems; and portending they're all multi-chotomies of one central truth you proclaim.

There is nothing more soulish than consciousness insisting upon itself as the One. Sentient consciousness and volition IS the soul, along with emotions. In its appropriate functionality of subjection to the spirit, the soul has valid purpose as a conduit between spirit and body. When in "ascendency", the soul functions beyond its created parameters and postulates an endless expanse of itself to supercede the spiritual with the soulish as the epicenter of ALL.

The soul and spirit need to be pierced for dividing asunder. Your undistributed soul and spirit is what causes your feeble and frail soul to be in its presumed authority and to encompass the spirit. It isn't and can't. You have no clue whatsoever of the metaphysical, yet are enslaved to it by your own subjective baseless silliness.

God is Spirit, not consciousness. God HAS consciousness, but it's not the central essence of His being. Creation came from His mind and will, but the processions of His Logos and Pneuma (Spirit) came from His Divine essence.

You have conflated soul and spirit, just as all the ridiculous alleged self-realized gurus have throughout human history. It's man attempting to be God in layers upon layers of idolatry.

Man BECAME a living soul when the dust body was vivified by God's own Spirit to have a spirit. The very foundation of life in ANY realm of existence is spirit, not soul. And consciousness is the soul, just as volition is the soul.

You can't ever distinguish with the singular thing that pierces and divides them asunder (partitions them for redistribution). You're trapped in your own fallacy of a your own fragile and feeble soul, attempting to be/become a universality of Divinity through consciousness.

The Oneness is of the Spirit, not the Soul. You've missed it all by a galactic mile, not just a country mile.


Can anything exist apart from consciousness?

Wrong question. Here's the right one in contesxt: Can consciousness exist alone apart from God AS Spirit? Nope.

Consciousness isn't the foundation of all life. Spirit is. Soul is NOT.


It would help to understand what 'Brahman (http://www.hinduwebsite.com/brahmanmain.asp)' is within Hinduism for starters here, which is where the ancient teaching of Advaita (http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/concepts/advaitaconcept.asp) inheres. In the non-dual context I often contextualize things from an advaitic (non-dualistic) POV, but there are other aspects of non-dualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism) from other religious traditions that offer different facets in the equation. It might be helpful to study up and actually learn where I'm coming from before super-imposing your belief-system and concepts here.

Atman is Brahman (http://scienceandnonduality.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/atman-is-brahman/)

It doesn't help one bit to understand the stupidity of Hinduistic Occultism. I know exactly where you're coming from. You're the one superimposing your belief system upon all others to attempt to synchretize them. It's nothing new.

And all World Religions can indeed be consumated under that one umbrella.... except one. The truth of the Spirit that is the one true and living God, YHWH; not your false God of Self-realized idolatry of soulish self AS God.

God is Spirit. Your Oneness of Consicousness is not Him.


Again, entertaining your own preconceptions here,

While presuming according to self-deluding double standard that you are devoid of preconceptions. LOL. What asseninity and willful self-obfuscation and inner obtusity. Good grief.


and having fun at it, which could be at your own expense.

Yes, and not in the least; in that order.


While the analogy of the matrix has its perks, the concept of oneness in its full comprehension exceeds it. Where God is already all, there is no lack or need of 'help', since there is always already perfection. Does 'God' lack anything NOW?

You're not talking about God. You know nothing of God. Everything you speak/write of isn't God. It's idolatry of the ultimate evolution of Self AS God.


Right here NOW is all the 'God' there is.

No. He's the hypostasis for all creation, all things being upheld by the Rhema of His power.

You're not God. You never were God. You'll never be God. None of mankind is God. Never has been, and never will be. God is NOT the ambiguous and non-existent wholly-imagined coallesced aggregate consciousness as energy and light.


There is no lack in what is whole. What is whole (one) is always present.

And that doesn't, didn't, and won't/can't ever include mankind, including the ridulosity of disembodied consicousness of all things as one as God as the Singularity.

God is Spirit. Everything you espouse is Soul. You desperately need a piercing for dividing asunder.


Again your misconceptions of a some syncretic religious collage,

It's not a misconception.


when there is no attempt at such,

Sure there is. You may have deluded yourself into some synergistic concept of "vertical and/or horizontal integration" NOT being sychretic; but that's exactly what you've done, and then some.

The "then some" doesn't disannul the hybridization of your "mutt" religion. And it IS a religion. It's a structure belief system, decrying all other belief systems. You just employ slimy semantics in an attempt to disguise it as neutral and non-religion.


but recognition that a universal truth exists and is expressed in various forms among various religious traditions and schools of philosophy,

The one universal truth is not expressed in those various religious traditions and schools of philosophy, including YOUR religion and philosophy (that you futily deny IS such).


since 'God' is the One and Only presence of truth thru-out all, no matter what distortions or imperfections arise in the perception of man. Such is the way of the 'Perennial Philosophy' (http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/slideshows/view.aspx?SlideShowID=41).

Nope. Your is the greatest of all distortions and imperfections of perception. So much so that you deny it's even a perception.


Love has true tolerance of real individual liberties based on universal laws and principles.

Yet another in a bazillion unfouded baseless assertions that has no foundational etymological significance to its semantics whatsoever. It's a stand-alone concept and perception adamantly pretending not to be a concept and perception. Self-deluding nonsense.


Cooperation and tolerance go along way towards establishing peace and harmony.

No. That's just the product of the delusion of your conceptual and perceptional religion of Self-everything in aggregate.


Adi da Samraj approaches the world-condition from an Advaitic perspective in his work 'Not-Two is Peace' (http://www.da-peace.org/), based on the prior unity of mankind as a global family, - such is sourced back to the unity behind all that exists, so naturally includes every level and stage of human experience.

And the endless non-authority of religious indoctrination continues. Drivel, every last word, concept, preconception, belief, and bare assertion. Man as his own combined authority by consensus. Dialectic as absolute truth. Idolatry of Self. Soulish, not spiritual.


That about sums up most of your criticisms and misconceived judgments.

pj

Not even close. I see it all for exactly what it is. I have my sense exercised by reason of use to discern. Other than the counterfeit framework to invert and parallel, it's all the antithesis of truth and reality as soulish fantasy indulging itself at the highest mystical levels.

It's more like the sub-conscious than the conscious. You don't even "know", you just spew. Soulish to the core. Not one ounce of spirit.

PneumaPsucheSoma
October 22nd, 2013, 01:19 PM
You do not speak as a Christian but rather as an atheist.

...says the Atheistic non-Semitic Zionist Kabbalist under pretense of an extinct religion, while denying that faith's Messiah and playing victim while condescending to all others in blind arrogance.

There is no religious Judaism, and you have no genetic proof of ethnic lineage.


Is the "Christian" on the label just to draw the fish to the bait?

LOL. No. I'm just not a deluded Dispensationalist. I stand up to all the bullies because I know their delusions.


When you refer to "all this Oneness of the Universal Consciousness garbage in the guise of truth" what do you have to offer about the Truth?

Volumes. You wouldn't be interested. You're anti-Christian.


Is there one after all in your agenda? What is the Truth in your opinion?

Jesus Christ is Messiah, the Logos of God become flesh as the Son to redeem mankind from sin (hamartia, the noun).

God is Spirit, not merely innate consciousness. Man is not divine, and doesn't retain, reclaim, attain, or maintain Divinity in any personal or non-personal sense.

John Mortimer
October 22nd, 2013, 04:05 PM
Sentient consciousness and volition IS the soul, along with emotions.

Ok - so this provides a satisfactory definition of what you mean by the term, "soul"? Honest question.



In its appropriate functionality of subjection to the spirit, the soul has valid purpose as a conduit between spirit and body.

...and this is a further description of the soul in your terms, which is understood but it leads to the question of what you mean when you use the term, "spirit". Can you define and/or describe what you mean when you use the term, spirit?



God is Spirit, not consciousness. God HAS consciousness, but it's not the central essence of His being.

Fair enough...if by "God" you mean, "The One". Consciousness arises and subsides within the One. The One is perfect and complete in the absence of consciousness but consciousness cannot be without the One.

If you want to enter into dialogue here because you feel you want to impart something to the other contributors and readers of this thread then you are welcome to do so.

freelight
October 22nd, 2013, 04:52 PM
I apologize in advance, freelight, for this critique because I know you find the message inspiring and I owe you so much. :sigh:



Hello John,

I agree with most all your points and critiques :)

As I shared in a PM with you, I understand that Gerald's messages from his perception of 'The One' is relative to his own interpretation within a total spectral view of both a 'non-dual' and 'dualistic' context, - I've opened this thread knowing that, using the messages as a 'spring-board' to connect the 'mind' to both points of view, since they both exist in the totality of consciousness, at least in this present conditional form in space-time. It is true that Gerald's messages are not pure advaita in the traditional Hindu perspective but suffices to hold the concept of oneness as primary and fundamental to existence, within the play of duality, which is the crux and context of human experience.

Again,....since many traditional Christian believers has some concept of 'unity of Spirit',....Gerald's messages and insights provide in-sights connecting the dualism of human experience within the underlying and universal oneness which is at the heart of all creation, and in a traditional dualist sense caters to the conventional concepts of the kingdom of heaven being realized here on earth, as a transformation of consciousness (both spiritually and physically), or some evolution of consciousness which brings forth a manifestation of a New Era of Golden Age on earth. Of course this is the traditional concept of a millennial reign of peace and righteousness, an era of true peace and harmony among all peoples, a 'state' that judeo-christian' scritpures and other traditions have 'prophesied' about or look forward to. In this context,...an open awareness recognizing and considering these points of view are shared, so that a panoramic view of all existence, in its dualistic and non-dualistic aspects can be surveyed.

As shared before I may create a new thread on 'Advaita' like my old 'non-duality' thread, and/or the concept of 'I AM' covering viewpoints from various religious traditions as in the past. 'I Am' remains the 'name' of 'God' and man's recognition of his own 'being' and 'consciousness' is the 'gate' and 'key' to all that is knowable and unknowable.

In appreciation,


pj

John Mortimer
October 22nd, 2013, 05:06 PM
Hello John,

I agree with most all your points and critiques :)

As I shared in a PM with you, I understand that Gerald's messages from his perception of 'The One' is relative to his own interpretation within a total spectral view of both a 'non-dual' and 'dualistic' context, - I've opened this thread knowing that, using the messages as a 'spring-board' to connect the 'mind' to both points of view, since they both exist in the totality of consciousness, at least in this present conditional form in space-time. It is true that Gerald's messages are not pure advaita in the traditional Hindu perspective but suffices to hold the concept of oneness as primary and fundamental to existence, within the play of duality, which is the crux and context of human experience.

Well, I certainly don't think I could argue with any of that! ;)
I may not appreciate Gerald's message but I certainly DO appreciate your commentary on this thread...many wonderful insights.



Again,....since many traditional Christian believers has some concept of 'unity of Spirit',....Gerald's messages and insights provide in-sights connecting the dualism of human experience within the underlying and universal oneness which is at the heart of all creation, and in a traditional dualist sense caters to the conventional concepts of the kingdom of heaven being realized here on earth, as a transformation of consciousness (both spiritually and physically), or some evolution of consciousness which brings forth a manifestation of a New Era of Golden Age on earth. Of course this is the traditional concept of a millennial reign of peace and righteousness, an era of true peace and harmony among all peoples, a 'state' that judeo-christian' scritpures and other traditions have 'prophesied' about or look forward to. In this context,...an open awareness recognizing and considering these points of view are shared, so that a panoramic view of all existence, in its dualistic and non-dualistic aspects can be surveyed.

I understand - and the panoramic view is very welcome because it is all too rare. :up:


As shared before I may create a new thread on 'Advaita' like my old 'non-duality' thread, and/or the concept of 'I AM' covering viewpoints from various religious traditions as in the past.

I hope so. I look forward to it. :)



'I Am' remains the 'name' of 'God' and man's recognition of his own 'being' and 'consciousness' is the 'gate' and 'key' to all that is knowable and unknowable.

Unquestionably.


In appreciation,


pj
Likewise :e4e:

freelight
October 22nd, 2013, 05:51 PM
There is nothing more soulish than consciousness insisting upon itself as the One. Sentient consciousness and volition IS the soul, along with emotions. In its appropriate functionality of subjection to the spirit, the soul has valid purpose as a conduit between spirit and body. When in "ascendency", the soul functions beyond its created parameters and postulates an endless expanse of itself to supercede the spiritual with the soulish as the epicenter of ALL.

The soul and spirit need to be pierced for dividing asunder. Your undistributed soul and spirit is what causes your feeble and frail soul to be in its presumed authority and to encompass the spirit.


Your assessment above comes along with what proof? Consciousness includes all conceptions of both 'spirit' and 'soul'. Where is your proof that anything I share is not of the Spirit and is only 'soulish', and who is making the 'qualifications' of such an assessment?

Yes, 'God' is Spirit, and that Spirit is conscious, being omnipresent-infinite, its consciousness pervades and encompasses all.


God is Spirit, not consciousness. God HAS consciousness, but it's not the central essence of His being.

We agree that God is Spirit, and that consciousness is innate within that Spirit-presence. I don't see how consciousness is not central to 'God', since He is the source of all 'being' and 'consciousness', - such would be innate to his spiritual nature. That essence is indivisible, however appropriated in a relational sense.


Creation came from His mind and will, but the processions of His Logos and Pneuma (Spirit) came from His Divine essence.

And how many would make the above differentiations and know if it made any difference how those things are assumed? - they are pre-scribed per your 'theology'.


You have conflated soul and spirit, just as all the ridiculous alleged self-realized gurus have throughout human history. It's man attempting to be God in layers upon layers of idolatry.

The burden of proof is on you to prove anyone has conflated 'soul' and 'spirit', beyond your own assumption and own definitions.


Man BECAME a living soul when the dust body was vivified by God's own Spirit to have a spirit. The very foundation of life in ANY realm of existence is spirit, not soul. And consciousness is the soul, just as volition is the soul.

You can't ever distinguish with the singular thing that pierces and divides them asunder (partitions them for redistribution). You're trapped in your own fallacy of a your own fragile and feeble soul, attempting to be/become a universality of Divinity through consciousness.

The Oneness is of the Spirit, not the Soul. You've missed it all by a galactic mile, not just a country mile.

More assumptions, and your proof is what beyond those assumptions?


Consciousness isn't the foundation of all life. Spirit is. Soul is NOT.

Who ever made the claim that Soul was a foundation for anything? Back to your own reference-frame (default program). Nothing exists outside of consciousness, except the very source of that consciousness which can be recognized by abiding in the 'I AM', which is the heart of 'God'. Surrender to that 'Presence' is the way, but its not a 'way' to 'God', since 'God' is always already PRESENT.


It doesn't help one bit to understand the stupidity of Hinduistic Occultism. I know exactly where you're coming from. You're the one superimposing your belief system upon all others to attempt to synchretize them. It's nothing new.

Understanding Advaita Vedanta and non-dualism in general from various traditions does matter as we're referencing all these points of view within the greater context of oneness. Remember, 'God' is ONE(not two). Multiplicities arise from The One in form, personality and appearance....but these do not affect the indivisible essence of Deity.


And all World Religions can indeed be consumated under that one umbrella.... except one. The truth of the Spirit that is the one true and living God, YHWH; not your false God of Self-realized idolatry of soulish self AS God.

'God' is the source of all world religions and all that is. YHWH is an appellation of 'God', among others. The 'I AM' (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh) or 'I Will Be' is a denotation of the 'God' that is One and All, since all 'existence' and 'evolving creation' in space-time originates and thrives as movements of that One reality. All there is really...is 'God' (Brahman) - all else is a shadow, reflection or modification of that universal substance expressing as a play of consciousness.


You're not talking about God. You know nothing of God. Everything you speak/write of isn't God. It's idolatry of the ultimate evolution of Self AS God.

If 'God' was not present as omnipresence,....these words would not be read :) Again,...you need to understand the Hindu concept of the 'Self' ('Brahman' and 'atman'). Hindu schools such as Vaishnavas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaishnavism) hold a more dualistic view of the soul as distinct from Brahman, so there is nothing wrong with such a perspective, which holds that souls are parts and parcels of 'God', retaining their individuality (distinction) in a state of communion with 'God' in the highest state of heaven, when reaching there,..but this is from a dualistic perspective. Advaita (non-duality) centers on recognizing the 'being' and 'consciousness' of one's 'self'(atman) as the same essence and identity as the Supreme Self (Brahman). These views hold their own unaffected by any other tradition or theology. They dont need to be 'syncretized' with other religious traditions although aspects may correlate with other schools.


You're not God. You never were God. You'll never be God. None of mankind is God. Never has been, and never will be. God is NOT the ambiguous and non-existent wholly-imagined coallesced aggregate consciousness as energy and light.

Depends on point of view :) (non-dualism or dualism in their varieties). There is no existence or consciousness apart from 'God' if we define 'God' as the source, substance and 'light' behind all that is. In this sense 'God' (I Am) is Self-evident. 'God' is all-pervading light, and could not 'be' apart from my own 'being' to recognize IT.


And that doesn't, didn't, and won't/can't ever include mankind, including the ridulosity of disembodied consicousness of all things as one as God as the Singularity.

'God' is One, yet includes 'many'. A 'singularity' is another concept which can be explored, but be careful of 'definitions'.


God is Spirit. Everything you espouse is Soul. You desperately need a piercing for dividing asunder.

Yes, God is Spirit. Your other assumptions need proving, and an explanation to readers why a 'diving asunder' is necessary.



Yet another in a bazillion unfouded baseless assertions that has no foundational etymological significance to its semantics whatsoever. It's a stand-alone concept and perception adamantly pretending not to be a concept and perception. Self-deluding nonsense.

Reality, here, and present now.... is not delusional. It is What IS. - that is reality. Some call this 'Is-ness' God. It is the One and Alone Presence, always already being, and is the fundamental ground for that which is beyond dimension and within dimensions. One Infinity. "I" cant ever be separate from that, since it arises first as my own existence in the Infinite.


No. That's just the product of the delusion of your conceptual and perceptional religion of Self-everything in aggregate.

Nothing exists in the world outside of the 'Self' (the 'I' of consciousness).


And the endless non-authority of religious indoctrination continues. Drivel, every last word, concept, preconception, belief, and bare assertion. Man as his own combined authority by consensus. Dialectic as absolute truth. Idolatry of Self. Soulish, not spiritual.

What is absolute stands on its own. - all else is relative to IT.


Not even close. I see it all for exactly what it is. I have my sense exercised by reason of use to discern. Other than the counterfeit framework to invert and parallel, it's all the antithesis of truth and reality as soulish fantasy indulging itself at the highest mystical levels.

More assumptions.


It's more like the sub-conscious than the conscious. You don't even "know", you just spew. Soulish to the core. Not one ounce of spirit.

I know I AM. that is all and good enough, because it is sufficient unto itself. Abiding in that 'knowing' is primal to the nature of my own 'being'. Nothing else is necessary. - all else is a play of mind, engaging concepts, images, symbols, language, art, creativity, all the wonderful things souls enjoy by right of the potentials within awareness. Its a wonderful adventure.


pj

freelight
October 23rd, 2013, 04:58 PM
Well, I certainly don't think I could argue with any of that! ;)
I may not appreciate Gerald's message but I certainly DO appreciate your commentary on this thread...many wonderful insights.

Thanks John,

Its all about 'creative dialogue' with me, and expanding/exploring consciousness....since that's what Life here in this space of creation is all 'about' ;)


I understand - and the panoramic view is very welcome because it is all too rare. :up:

Yes, and that's the view I generally take from the point of infinity looking down into all finite levels of mind and spirit, the sphere of space-time relativity, whatever is observable, more of a 'panoramic science' if you will. That all-inclusive knowledge approach includes 'non-dual' and 'dualistic' viewpoints since it recognizes all dimensions and what is beyond dimension.

I'm quite fine with accepting the absolute simplicity of pure Advaita, since it clears the mind-clutter in one sweep...when one realizes one's true nature in its absolute purity, and abides as that. All else is a play or adventure in various theories, religious systems, mythologies, symbology, allegory, archetypes, language, etc. - its all ok, but we would consider the context of all things, their relations, and that which is beyond the 'relative' altogether, which is recognizing the 'non-dual' reality that is prior to it all, but also encompasses all, being the infinite itself.


Om shanti,



pj