Poly's POTD 07-11-06

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Jefferson said:
impleri, you wrote:
And who were these people that Jesus butted heads with? It was the religious leaders, not the garden-variety "sinner."
Those religious leaders were unbelievers. Additionally, look at how Christ dealt with other unbelievers. He called Herod a "fox" in Luke 13:32; He called the woman caught in adultery a sinner in John 8:11; He pointed out to the woman at the well that she had 5 husbands and was currently shacking up with a 6th man; He called the multitude in Luke 3:7 a generation of vipers; He accused the publicans of being thieves in Luke 13:13; and He accused the soldiers of being false accusers and unneccessarily violent in Luke 14:14.

First, nowhere does it say that we have the mind of Christ in toto until Christ's return.
Your point being that until every single Christian on earth has the mind of Christ that not even the godliest Christian on earth is allowed to judge anyone? You're kidding right?

Secondly, notice that the passage says the "saints will judge the world." In other words, we ain't there yet, man.
Read the context of the passage. Paul is rebuking the Corinthians for not judging. The passage reads: "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to THIS life?" Paul is saying that since we will judge both the world and angels that we need to start practicing now for that day.

Regarding Eph 5:11- "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them" you wrote:

And the context of that passage? Verse 9 says to "live as children of light." That's it. It doesn't say "condemn those that sin."
What do you think "reprove them" means?

Heck, doesn't it say in Romans that "Christ died while we were still sinners." Oh wait, i forget, you were born a Christian... Riiight.
What's your point? Is it that anyone who ever sinned is never allowed to judge anyone else no matter how moral he has become since? You're kidding right?

Regarding Eze 3:18 - "When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; and you do not give him warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked one shall die in his iniquity; but I will require his blood at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul" you wrote:

Exactly..."keep your mouth shut and let them get what's coming to them."
You're really good at ignoring parts of verses you don't like aren't you? Look at the verse again. The verse warns believers that if they don't speak to warn the wicked from his wicked ways then God will require his blood at your hand. So therefore, speak to the wicked and warn him. Then it says if you do speak to him and warn him and he repents, you have delivered your soul. So therefore, speak to the wicked and warn him. How could you possibley interpret that verse as commanding us to "keep your mouth shut?" Are you blind?

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Poly said:
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Jefferson is doing a fantastic job in that entire thread. :thumb:

I especially liked this response:
Jefferson said:
The Removed said:
Paul said we are not to judge those outside of the Body.
The context of the chapter is about excommunicating people from the fellowship. We don't excommunicate unbelievers for being sinful. We are supposed to continue to welcome sinful unbelievers into our churches where it is our duty to try to convice them they are sinful and need forgiveness. Many unbelievers don't even believe there is such a thing as sin.
He makes a point which I think is all too often missed by Christians when reading 1 Cor. 5--- that the specific "judgment" which Paul is speaking of (when he tells us we are not to judge those outside the Church) is excommunication.

Keep up the good work, Jefferson. :)
 
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