Is unbelief the cause of ones condemnation ?

beloved57

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Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Its thought in mans religion today that unbelief is the cause of condemnation, however its not, but its the symptom, outcome, and evidence that one is already condemned, not by unbelief but by the law of God.

Mans condemnation came upon him not by his unbelief in Christ, but by his uniformity with adam when he disobeyed Gods Law, Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Did Adam disobey Gods Law ? Most definitly, no it wasnt the mosaic law but Gods moral law. Many will tell us that the law of God didnt exist at the beginning of creation, but thats ignorance and error, because the scripture is clear that Adam transgressed Rom 5:14

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

And sin is defined as 1 Jn 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

If there had been no law adam couldnt had sinned because the strength of sin is the Law 1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


And had there been no law for adam and man in him, consequently there had been no transgression Rom 5:12-14

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Common sense would have us to realize that a law was transgressed since death had its reign up to the time of moses, when the mosaic law was instituted

So if folk say there was no law of God and man wasnt under law before moses, they are in darkness.
 

Squeaky

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They dont seem to know that every word that comes out of Gods mouth is law.
They even try to say that Abraham was not under the law, but that is incorrect also.

[Gen 26:5
5 "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."
 

beloved57

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So final unbelieving goes to show that one is under condemnation of the Law, a law that Christ didnt satisfy for since He didn't die for them as one of His Sheep. Since Christ didn't substitute for them God still charges them as a transgressor of the law, as such, the Law condemns them withut a Saviour to believe in.
 

Nanja

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So final unbelieving goes to show that one is under condemnation of the Law, a law that Christ didnt satisfy for since He didn't die for them as one of His Sheep. Since Christ didn't substitute for them God still charges them as a transgressor of the law, as such, the Law condemns them withut a Saviour to believe in.


Exactly Brother ! So when a person dies in their sins it's not because of their unbelief, but unbelief is a symptom of them being already condemned John 3:18 because those sins have broken God's Law, so they / themselves remain accountable for every sin against God's Law, and the wages of sin is death Rom. 6:23a.


Mat. 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand [goats], Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


Rev. 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


John 10:26

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
 

ttruscott

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So when a person dies in their sins it's not because of their unbelief, but unbelief is a symptom of them being already condemnedJohn 3:18

Your cart would seem to be in front of your horse...they are condemned already for unbelief, ie, the unbelief caused the condemnation...John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Because is: 3754. hoti
Strong's Concordance::hoti: that, because
Part of Speech: Conjunction
Definition: that, because
that, since, because; may introduce direct discourse.

Believers who sin are not condemned but non-believers are condemned already at the moment of their sin....their unfaith, ie, rejecting Christ as an object of faith, is their sin.

The choice to put one's faith in Christ or to reject Him as a liar PRECEDES all condemnation...
 

MennoSota

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Your cart would seem to be in front of your horse...they are condemned already for unbelief, ie, the unbelief caused the condemnation...John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Because is: 3754. hoti
Strong's Concordance::hoti: that, because
Part of Speech: Conjunction
Definition: that, because
that, since, because; may introduce direct discourse.

Believers who sin are not condemned but non-believers are condemned already at the moment of their sin....their unfaith, ie, rejecting Christ as an object of faith, is their sin.

The choice to put one's faith in Christ or to reject Him as a liar PRECEDES all condemnation...
All humanity is condemned because of sin.
Jesus took the condemnation of the elect upon himself and paid God's demand for sin as our ransom.
We believe, not because we chose to love him, but because he first loved us.
 

beloved57

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See the Truth be told, unbelief is the consequence of being already condemned. Faith in Christ will not be given to them whom Christ didn't come to save and whom He did not lay down His Life for, namely the non sheep, since its expressly stated He came to lay down His Life for the Sheep Jn 10:10-11

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they[The Sheep] might have it more abundantly.

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

So unto the Sheep it will be given unto them to Believe on His Name Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Why ? Because being of His Sheep He lay down His Life for them and satisfied for them Gods Law and Justice, hence the Law doesn't condemned them, and they cant be of them whom are already condemned, having a right therefor to believe on His Name Jn 1:12 ! The non sheep have not this right and so are already condemned, which their unbelief gives evidence of !
 
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Nanja

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Your cart would seem to be in front of your horse...they are condemned already for unbelief, ie, the unbelief caused the condemnation...John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Because is: 3754. hoti
Strong's Concordance::hoti: that, because
Part of Speech: Conjunction
Definition: that, because
that, since, because; may introduce direct discourse.

Believers who sin are not condemned but non-believers are condemned already at the moment of their sin....their unfaith, ie, rejecting Christ as an object of faith, is their sin.

The choice to put one's faith in Christ or to reject Him as a liar PRECEDES all condemnation...


It's not an unregenerate person placing their own faith in Christ, that's works salvation Eph. 2:8-9 and can't please God Rom. 8:8.

The only Faith that receives the Gospel, that Christ through His Death took upon Himself their condemnation, is given in New Birth as a fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22, which serves to prove one wasn't condemned already John 3:18, because those Christ died for were reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers Rom. 5:10.
 

ttruscott

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All humanity is condemned because of sin.

It's not an unregenerate person placing their own faith in Christ, that's works salvation Eph. 2:8-9 and can't please God Rom. 8:8.

IF our creation as evil in Adam is accepted as at our conception or birth against the attributes of our GOD who hates evil and abhors the wicked so HE would, could, never create any one evil by any means and

IF our evil nature springs from our own free will since no one is guilty of any sin if forced to sin by another's will,

THEN it is obvious that we sinned by our own free will before our conception which was our being sowed into the world by the Son of Man or the devil, Matt 13:36-39, the most ignored verse in the bible.

IF this is the case for which there is much evidence, then it is obvious that faith preceded the election of those who chose to put their faith in HIM and condemnation was immediate for those who rejected HIM as a false god and a liar motivated by evil thus sinning the unforgivable sin. Then the sin of some of HIS elect, forcing the postponement of the judgement until these sinful elect could be redeemed and returned to their first faith (again, the parable of the good but sinful seed, Matt 13), had these sinful elect sown into the world to live with the reprobate tares where they live as believers who are NOT condemned though they are sinners living in unfaith, Jn 3:18.

In this way faith is first, then sin causes the loss of faith and faith must be returned by the grace of GOD because NO WORK OF A SINNER HAS ANY SALVIFIC EFFECT UPON HIS STATE of being totally depraved and with no good in him...no one can save himself by any work. Election and salvation are NOT the same thing, yet people write as if they were. Some elect sinned and needed HIS grace as promised be HIS election of them to be saved in HIS Son if they should ever need it.

Pre-conception election and faith in no way denies the doctrine that no man (ie, sinful elect or reprobate) can affect his salvation by any work in his life.
 

MennoSota

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IF our creation as evil in Adam is accepted as at our conception or birth against the attributes of our GOD who hates evil and abhors the wicked so HE would, could, never create any one evil by any means and

IF our evil nature springs from our own free will since no one is guilty of any sin if forced to sin by another's will,

THEN it is obvious that we sinned by our own free will before our conception which was our being sowed into the world by the Son of Man or the devil, Matt 13:36-39, the most ignored verse in the bible.

IF this is the case for which there is much evidence, then it is obvious that faith preceded the election of those who chose to put their faith in HIM and condemnation was immediate for those who rejected HIM as a false god and a liar motivated by evil thus sinning the unforgivable sin. Then the sin of some of HIS elect, forcing the postponement of the judgement until these sinful elect could be redeemed and returned to their first faith (again, the parable of the good but sinful seed, Matt 13), had these sinful elect sown into the world to live with the reprobate tares where they live as believers who are NOT condemned though they are sinners living in unfaith, Jn 3:18.

In this way faith is first, then sin causes the loss of faith and faith must be returned by the grace of GOD because NO WORK OF A SINNER HAS ANY SALVIFIC EFFECT UPON HIS STATE of being totally depraved and with no good in him...no one can save himself by any work. Election and salvation are NOT the same thing, yet people write as if they were. Some elect sinned and needed HIS grace as promised be HIS election of them to be saved in HIS Son if they should ever need it.

Pre-conception election and faith in no way denies the doctrine that no man (ie, sinful elect or reprobate) can affect his salvation by any work in his life.
Your logic is illogical. Please try again.
 

beloved57

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No unbelief isnt the cause of ones condemnation, but their condemnation is the cause of their unbelief ! Jn 3 :18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those not believing here in this verse and context will never become believers but will remain unbelievers, since they werent Sheep for whom Christ died. Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Now those believing in this verse and context do so because they were never condemned, because Christ was condemned in their stead, He was made a curse for them Gal 3:13

That curse He became for them He died for was because of their condemnation, which was due for their sins. So they weren't never condemned already !
 

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Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?

In that quote, you admitted that unbelief is a sin.

Is unbelief the cause of ones condemnation ?

Is unbelief the cause of one's condemnation for what sin? For the sin of unbelief? Who in his/her right mind could seriously say that one's sin of unbelief is NOT the cause of one's condemnation for his/her sin of unbelief?

Its thought in mans religion today that unbelief is the cause of condemnation, however its not, but its the symptom, outcome, and evidence that one is already condemned, not by unbelief but by the law of God.

But, I asked: Who in his/her right mind could seriously say that one's sin of unbelief is NOT the cause of one's condemnation for his/her sin of unbelief? Nobody in his/her right mind could seriously say that one's one's sin of unbelief is NOT the cause of one's condemnation for his/her sin of unbelief.
 

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In that quote, you admitted that unbelief is a sin.



Is unbelief the cause of one's condemnation for what sin? For the sin of unbelief? Who in his/her right mind could seriously say that one's sin of unbelief is NOT the cause of one's condemnation for his/her sin of unbelief?



But, I asked: Who in his/her right mind could seriously say that one's sin of unbelief is NOT the cause of one's condemnation for his/her sin of unbelief? Nobody in his/her right mind could seriously say that one's one's sin of unbelief is NOT the cause of one's condemnation for his/her sin of unbelief.

It is the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ.
 

Nanja

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No unbelief isnt the cause of ones condemnation, but their condemnation is the cause of their unbelief ! Jn 3 :18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those not believing here in this verse and context will never become believers but will remain unbelievers, since they werent Sheep for whom Christ died. Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Now those believing in this verse and context do so because they were never condemned, because Christ was condemned in their stead, He was made a curse for them Gal 3:13

That curse He became for them He died for was because of their condemnation, which was due for their sins. So they weren't never condemned already !



Amen Brother, God has Chosen those who shall Believe the Truth and be Saved 2 Thess. 2:13 [Sheep John 10:11; Mat. 25:34] because Christ in His Death was made a curse / condemned for them; redeeming them from the curse of the Law Gal. 3:13 for their sins. However, all the rest [goats Mat. 25:41] shall believe a lie 2 Thess. 2:11 and remain in a condemned state for their sins Rev. 21:8 because they were not of His Sheep, but were condemned already John 3:18; 36.
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother, God has Chosen those who shall Believe the Truth and be Saved 2 Thess. 2:13 [Sheep John 10:11; Mat. 25:34] because Christ in His Death was made a curse / condemned for them; redeeming them from the curse of the Law Gal. 3:13 for their sins. However, all the rest [goats Mat. 25:41] shall believe a lie 2 Thess. 2:11 and remain in a condemned state for their sins Rev. 21:8 because they were not of His Sheep, but were condemned already John 3:18; 36.

Exactly!
 

God's Truth

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Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Its thought in mans religion today that unbelief is the cause of condemnation, however its not, but its the symptom, outcome, and evidence that one is already condemned, not by unbelief but by the law of God.

Mans condemnation came upon him not by his unbelief in Christ, but by his uniformity with adam when he disobeyed Gods Law, Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Did Adam disobey Gods Law ? Most definitly, no it wasnt the mosaic law but Gods moral law. Many will tell us that the law of God didnt exist at the beginning of creation, but thats ignorance and error, because the scripture is clear that Adam transgressed Rom 5:14

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

And sin is defined as 1 Jn 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

If there had been no law adam couldnt had sinned because the strength of sin is the Law 1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


And had there been no law for adam and man in him, consequently there had been no transgression Rom 5:12-14

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Common sense would have us to realize that a law was transgressed since death had its reign up to the time of moses, when the mosaic law was instituted

So if folk say there was no law of God and man wasnt under law before moses, they are in darkness.

God telling Adam and Eve not to eat from a certain tree was the law.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
 
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