Seth Rich; A Tidy Package

rexlunae

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The more people who have to be involved in a conspiracy, the less likely it is that it actually happened, as a rule. If you see someone spinning a narrative around hundreds or thousands of participants, it's pretty likely that it's not real, an attempt to fit a narrative to a crude set of disconnected events. But once in a while, there's a real, genuine conspiracy, and the effort to sell Seth Rich as the leaker to WikiLeaks is one such case. And it's actually a pretty tidy little package, and the number of people involved is fairly small, but given the placement of these people, it's also fairly important, and reflects on each of their various organizations.

This post is an attempt to boil down and explain the conspiracy, and the essential actors, backed by actual evidence.

1. Guccifer 2.0 - A Russian GRU officer, located in Moscow. There were a lot of questions raised about his original claims to be a lone-wolf Romanian hacker, but the definitive thing that we know about him is that he once connected to social media without activating his VPN, thus leaving a log file on an undisclosed social media site's servers showing his real IP address, and this, his location. This bit of information is game over for the narrative that he is anyone but a Russian GRU officer. The only challenge that could be raised would be to somehow assert that the FBI fabricated this information and leaked it to the Daily Beast. Apparently, the FBI not only knows this, but they know the actual identity of the culprit.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclu...evealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer

2. Julian Assange - Assange has not revealed anything about their source, per their usual. This is a defensible position journalisticly, but it also helps to avoid immediately confirming who the real actors are in what turns out to be a disinformation campaign. The fact that Assange would assent to be used to launder information in this way should tell you something about his actual motivations and loyalty. No organization interested in transparency or journalism would allow such fictions to be drawn and perpetuated from their products.

3. Sean Hannity - Sean Hannity has been particularly vociferous about pushing the fabricated narrative that Seth Rich was the true leaker of DNC emails. This is blatantly false, it is the subject to two separate lawsuits against Fox News, and there was never any evidence to support it besides coincidental timing and the willingness of some to believe the worst of Hillary Clinton. But what makes it especially egregious is the knowledge that Hannity is directly in contact with Julian Assange (https://www.thedailybeast.com/julia...d-news-on-democrat-investigating-trump-russia). So, while it may be that Assange wouldn't reveal his source to Hannity, presumably, Hannity could have at least asked him "Hey, am I on the right track with this?" The fact that this was not done, and the fact that Assange didn't see the need to correct the error, is, at best, highly suspicious given how strongly he was pushing this narrative, as is the fact that Fox News seems to have tolerated it for a long time without doing anything to curtail it. In fact, when they were finally forced to retract it (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/23/statement-on-coverage-seth-rich-murder-investigation.html), their retraction seems to have been very quiet. Even now, you can find other media outlets reporting on their retraction, but it's quite a bit harder to find their very terse statement on the subject, and you will likely only find it by clicking through a link from another media outlet. Would a real news outlet push a false story so persistently?

4. Roger Stone - Trump adviser who admitted to direct contact with Guccifer 2.0, and had advanced knowledge of the DNC hacks. He has claimed emphatically that Guccifer 2.0 is a lone hacker and not a Russian (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...y-dnc-hack-solved-so-now-stop-blaming-russia/), despite all evidence to the contrary. Either he got duped, or he's a liar, and it's interesting how, in his Breitbart article, he didn't mention being in direct contact with Guccifer, but instead engaged in conspiracy-mongering about the media trying to hide things. https://www.justsecurity.org/45435/timeline-roger-stone-russias-guccifer-2-0-wikileaks/

5. Donald Trump - Somehow he had advanced knowledge of the leaks, whether he got that from Stone or some other conduit. It's hard to think of any explanation for how this could have happened other than by his involvement in the plans for this whole campaign.

So, that's it, those are the essential elements of the conspiracy. The GRU steals the "dirt" on Hillary Clinton, Stone coordinates, Assange holds it and distributes it, Trump uses it, and Hannity provides cover by pushing a false story about how it all happened. There may be other participants, but these five people, spanning from the Trump campaign, including the candidate himself, to Russian intelligence, to Fox News, are key. There may be more to it, but there's at least some evidence for each of the elements. Is there maybe another reason Trump would have advanced knowledge of the leaks? Maybe. But what we know is at least highly suggestive, and it's difficult to imagine what innocent answer could be given. And none of the others appear to be innocent.

That's not the entire Trump campaign engagement with Russia. It doesn't even touch on Don Jr.'s attempts to get dirt about Clinton from the Russian government, for instance. That's just the necessary players in the effort to manufacture a cover for the email leaks using Seth Rich.
 

patrick jane

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Yeah, Seth just happened to be shot to death from from behind with no robbery taking place. Happens all the time to people that snitch on the Clintons. But this one is completely on the up and up. And people say I'm gullible.
 

The Barbarian

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Yeah, Seth just happened to be shot to death from from behind with no robbery taking place. Happens all the time

About 114,000 times in 2016, if you assume all robberies involve a gun.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191139/reported-robbery-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/

to people that snitch on the Clintons.

As you learned, Guccifer messed up and forgot to cover his tracks once. And he's been identified as a Russian intelligence agent working out of Moscow.

But this one is completely on the up and up.

One of thousands of homicides every year. Two years ago, in my community, a woman was killed in a convenience store, in a botched robbery that gained nothing.

A couple of years ago, a college student in Waco was killed in a botched robbery that got nothing.

It happens rather frequently.

Not only has Guccifer been identified as a Russian agent working out of Moscow, there's no evidence whatever that Rich had anything to do with the collusion between Guccifer and Hannity/Stone/Trump.

And people say I'm gullible.

Go figure.

We’re Seth Rich’s parents. Stop politicizing our son’s murder.
Imagine living in a nightmare that you can never wake up from. Imagine having to face every single day knowing that your son was murdered. Imagine you have no answers — that no one has been brought to justice and there are few clues leading to the killer or killers. Imagine that every single day, with every phone call you hope that it’s the police, calling to tell you that there has been a break in the case.

Imagine that instead, every call that comes in is a reporter asking what you think of a series of lies or conspiracies about the death. That nightmare is what our family goes through every day.

The circumstances of what happened next are still unclear. We know that Seth was abruptly confronted on the street, that he had been on the phone and quickly ended the call. We also know that there were signs of a struggle, including a watchband torn when the assailants attempted to rip it off his wrist. Law-enforcement officials told us that Seth’s murder looked like a botched robbery attempt in which the assailants — after shooting our son — panicked, immediately ran and abandoned Seth’s personal belongings. We have seen no evidence, by any person at any time, that Seth’s murder had any connection to his job at the Democratic National Committee or his life in politics.
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Still, conservative news outlets and commentators continue, day after painful day, to peddle discredited conspiracy theories that Seth was killed after having provided WikiLeaks with emails from the DNC. Those theories, which some reporters have since retracted, are baseless, and they are unspeakably cruel.
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There are people who are using our beloved Seth’s memory and legacy for their own political goals, and they are using your outrage to perpetuate our nightmare. We ask those purveying falsehoods to give us peace, and to give law enforcement the time and space to do the investigation they need to solve our son’s murder.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.e30f241060a7

Sean Hannity is covering his tracks with this diversion. What's your excuse?
 

rexlunae

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Yeah, Seth just happened to be shot to death from from behind with no robbery taking place. Happens all the time to people that snitch on the Clintons. But this one is completely on the up and up. And people say I'm gullible.

You have no evidence that he "snithed" on anyone, and as I just finished explaining we do have decisive evidence who did.
 

The Barbarian

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And then there's loose cannon Stone...

Again, though, gender tends to trip Stone up. He did it again with Guccifer 2.0 on George Stephanopoulos on Sunday morning.

“Donald Trump’s former campaign adviser and longtime personal friend Roger Stone has recently admitted that he had contact with Russian hacker Guccifer 2.0 during the the election – the same hacker who stole and released Democratic Party emails. But Stone still insists that the contact was limited and benign, and that he doesn’t even really know who the hacker is. However, Stone just slipped up and revealed a personal detail about the hacker that could only be known by someone who knows the hacker well.”

“During an on-air interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, Roger Stone said the following: “Let’s finish with Grucifer. My communication with her is now entirely public.” Oops. Nevermind the fact that Stone referred to Guccifer as Grucifer; he’s made that mistake before, and that’s not the point. It’s what he said directly afterward. Stone referred to Guccifer as “her.”

https://lastmenandovermen.com/2017/03/28/roger-stone-guccifer-2-0/

Ooops. Kills two vultures with one stone. (pun intended)

First, it eliminates Seth Rich. Second, it makes it clear that the Trump organization was familiar with Guccifer down to the detail of gender.

Stone better watch his step. Trump can't be happy about that slip.
 
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