Who can tell me when

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Who can tell me when the first sliver of light on the moon was seen in Jerusalem in January last month. Was it:

A. the 18th

or

B. the 17th

Here is the evidence:

January-2018-Moon-Calendar.jpg


http://whenisthenewmoon.com/2018/01/

http://www.renewedmoon.com/wall-cale...d=2017-2018-11

http://www.joybysurprise.com/new-moon-sighted-.html

http://weareisrael.org/hebrew-calend...7-18/new-moon/

http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y2017M11

https://guidetothebible.files.wordpr...r5988_2018.pdf

And which day is it today:

January:
18th-19th=Day1 (new moon day)
19-20=Day2
20-21=3
21-22=4
22-23=5
23-24=6
24-25=7
25-26=8
26-27=9
27-28=10
28-29=11
29-30=12
30-31=13
31-1=14
1-2=15
2-3=16
3-4=17
4-5=18
5-6=19
6-7=20
7-8=21
8-9=22
9-10=23
10-11=24
11-12=25
12-13=26
13-14=27
14-15=28

Is it:

A. the 28th

or

B. the 29th
 
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Jacob

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Neither.

Rosh Chodesh (the Head of the Month) begins with the Observation of the New Moon in the Temple in Jerusalem in Temple Times, as there were witnesses before the nation was informed officially that the New Month had begun. It may have been something different than the first sliver of light, but it was not the astronomical new moon. Further, this does not occur in January, as January is a month on a calendar of the world, not the Jewish Hebrew Torah Biblical Calendar, Observed or Calculated.

Shalom.

Jacob
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Neither.

Rosh Chodesh (the Head of the Month) begins with the Observation of the New Moon in the Temple in Jerusalem in Temple Times, as there were witnesses before the nation was informed officially that the New Month had begun. It may have been something different than the first sliver of light, but it was not the astronomical new moon. Further, this does not occur in January, as January is a month on a calendar of the world, not the Jewish Hebrew Torah Biblical Calendar, Observed or Calculated.

Shalom.

Jacob

You make yourself look foolish Jacob. Also tomorrow on the 16th February your 'Jewish' calendar starts the 1st of Adar which is also the astronomical new moon new moon:https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=16&gm=2&gy=2018&g2h=1

February-2018-Lunar-Calendar.jpg


So why does your 'Jewish' calendar have these months starting on the astronomical new moon? The answer is because it was invented by Jewish Rabbi Hillel II in 359 AD and he used the 19 year repeating lunar cycle known as the Metonic cycle, (named after the Greek astronomer Meton of Athens) to approximate when the observable new moon is but it is only correct about half the time.
 
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Jacob

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You make yourself look foolish Jacob. Also tomorrow on the 16th February your 'Jewish' calendar starts the 1st of Adar which is also the astronomical new moon new moon:https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=16&gm=2&gy=2018&g2h=1

February-2018-Lunar-Calendar.jpg


So why does your 'Jewish' calendar have these months starting on the astronomical new moon? The answer is because it was invented by Jewish Rabbi Hillel II in 359 AD and he used the 19 year repeating lunar cycle known as the Metonic cycle, (named after the Greek astronomer Meton of Athens) to approximate when the observable new moon is but it is only correct about half the time.

Shalom.

Today is Rishon, 12-3.

I do not know if what you are telling me is true. We do not observe the month of February. You referred to a 'Jewish' calendar. You said astronomical new moon new moon. I do not know to trust your source. I do not observe the same calendar that you do.

Shalom.

Jacob
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Shalom.

Today is Rishon, 12-3.

I do not know if what you are telling me is true. We do not observe the month of February. You referred to a 'Jewish' calendar. You said astronomical new moon new moon. I do not know to trust your source. I do not observe the same calendar that you do.

Shalom.

Jacob

Yes you observe Rabbi Hillel calendar not God's Calendar:

February-2018-Lunar-Calendar.jpg
 

Jacob

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Yes you observe Rabbi Hillel calendar not God's Calendar:

February-2018-Lunar-Calendar.jpg

Shalom.

We can talk about this, but I do not know myself to be observing Rabbi Hillel. You gave a date for him from your calendar. I do not know what year it is on the Jewish Calendar. A Jewish man has told me that it is 5778, but this did not satisfy me as my year began with Aviv. 5778

Shalom.

Jacob
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Shalom.

We can talk about this, but I do not know myself to be observing Rabbi Hillel. You gave a date for him from your calendar. I do not know what year it is on the Jewish Calendar. A Jewish man has told me that it is 5778, but this did not satisfy me as my year began with Aviv. 5778

Shalom.

Jacob

This is your calendar you are using:

In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations. This calendar, still in use, standardized the length of months and the addition of months over the course of a 19 year cycle, so that the lunar calendar realigns with the solar years. Adar I is added in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of the cycle. The current cycle began in Jewish year 5758 (the year that began October 2, 1997). If you are musically inclined, you may find it helpful to remember this pattern of leap years by reference to the major scale: for each whole step there are two regular years and a leap year; for each half-step there is one regular year and a leap year. This is easier to understand when you examine the keyboard illustration below and see how it relates to the leap years above.

keyboard.gif


In addition, Yom Kippur should not fall adjacent to Shabbat, because this would cause difficulties in coordinating the fast with Shabbat, and Hoshanah Rabbah should not fall on Saturday because it would interfere with the holiday's observances. A day is added to the month of Cheshvan or subtracted from the month of Kislev of the previous year to prevent these things from happening. This process is sometimes referred to as "fixing" Rosh Hashanah. If you are interested in the details of how these calculations are performed, see The Jewish Calendar: A Closer Look.


http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm
 

Jacob

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This is your calendar you are using:

In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations. This calendar, still in use, standardized the length of months and the addition of months over the course of a 19 year cycle, so that the lunar calendar realigns with the solar years. Adar I is added in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of the cycle. The current cycle began in Jewish year 5758 (the year that began October 2, 1997). If you are musically inclined, you may find it helpful to remember this pattern of leap years by reference to the major scale: for each whole step there are two regular years and a leap year; for each half-step there is one regular year and a leap year. This is easier to understand when you examine the keyboard illustration below and see how it relates to the leap years above.

keyboard.gif


In addition, Yom Kippur should not fall adjacent to Shabbat, because this would cause difficulties in coordinating the fast with Shabbat, and Hoshanah Rabbah should not fall on Saturday because it would interfere with the holiday's observances. A day is added to the month of Cheshvan or subtracted from the month of Kislev of the previous year to prevent these things from happening. This process is sometimes referred to as "fixing" Rosh Hashanah. If you are interested in the details of how these calculations are performed, see The Jewish Calendar: A Closer Look.


http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

I do not understand your post, but I know enough to think that there may be some problems with it.

Shalom.

Jacob
 

Jacob

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Yes there are problems with it because it is your man made calendar and you don't even recognise that. Is you IQ above 100?

I have no idea what my IQ is or why you would ask a question like this. However, you say that this is the calendar that I am using.

Have you ever celebrated Yom Kippur on Shabbat?

Shalom.

Jacob
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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I have no idea what my IQ is or why you would ask a question like this. However, you say that this is the calendar that I am using.

Have you ever celebrated Yom Kippur on Shabbat?

Shalom.

Jacob

On God's Calendar Yom Kippur never falls on a Sabbath and is another reason why your man made Hillel calendar has such a problem as Yom kippur occurring on a Sabbath. Have you never wondered why this problem is never mentioned in the Bible, because it never existed then as the Sabbath always fell on days 8, 15,22 & 29 each lunar month and Yom Kippur is always on day 10.

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Jacob

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On God's Calendar Yom Kippur never falls on a Sabbath and is another reason why your man made Hillel calendar has such a problem as Yom kippur occurring on a Sabbath. Have you never wondered why this problem is never mentioned in the Bible, because it never existed then as the Sabbath always fell on days 8, 15,22 & 29 each lunar month and Yom Kippur is always on day 10.

Peace

No.

It is not a problem.

Does it contradict your post?

You are correct that Yom Kippur is not to be on the Sabbath. But I do not know the source for when I heard this, and you have presented Babylonian month names.
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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No.

It is not a problem.

Does it contradict your post?

You are correct that Yom Kippur is not to be on the Sabbath. But I do not know the source for when I heard this, and you have presented Babylonian month names.

What is the true origin of the postponements introduced by Hillel II in 359 CE? It is an issue that has been debated among the Churches of God for some time and, while the technical basis for their institution is well documented the question remains, why then? Why, in the 4th century CE, was it deemed necessary to sometimes skew the calendar by one or two days resulting in a complete realignment of all of the annual Holy Days? By what authority was the timing of YEHOVAH's Holy Days changed? What truth stands undiscovered behind the screen of lengthy technical regulations upon which the postponements are based?

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/postpone.htm
 

Jacob

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What is the true origin of the postponements introduced by Hillel II in 359 CE? It is an issue that has been debated among the Churches of God for some time and, while the technical basis for their institution is well documented the question remains, why then? Why, in the 4th century CE, was it deemed necessary to sometimes skew the calendar by one or two days resulting in a complete realignment of all of the annual Holy Days? By what authority was the timing of YEHOVAH's Holy Days changed? What truth stands undiscovered behind the screen of lengthy technical regulations upon which the postponements are based?

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/postpone.htm

I do not know what postponements are being referred to, or if Yom Kippur can be on Shabbat or an adjacent day (pardon the use of the word adjacent please), nor why the name of God is incorrectly communicated here, but I do believe that if Torah is observed there should not be a problem with either.

Shalom.

Jacob
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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I do not know what postponements are being referred to, or if Yom Kippur can be on Shabbat or an adjacent day (pardon the use of the word adjacent please), nor why the name of God is incorrectly communicated here, but I do believe that if Torah is observed there should not be a problem with either.

Shalom.

Jacob

Which day was day 1 Adar this month?

peace
 
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