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beloved57
July 10th, 2009, 07:39 AM
Rom 1 :16

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

I am going to get straight to the point, and that is, there is simply no gospel being preached without preaching the doctrine of election [election of grace], and the fact that the Gospel begins in God [Rom 1:1] as the Gospel of God, As it proceeds from the Eternal Counsels of God as its root and foundation, for this evident from pauls writings here 2 Tim 1:8-11


8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

11Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Also Titus 1:1-2


1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

This Gospel of God elucidates How that God in Eternity Past, chooses a Special Beloved People, to Be His Portion, His Inheritance, to whom He prized and Valued above all others..

Deut 32:9

9For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

Deut 7:6

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Paul writes on the Saints being Gods Inheritance..Eph 1:18

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, [not the children of the devil]

God having chosen them and gave them to the Son of His Love for their personal safe keeping and preservation..Jn 17:2

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. [the disciples, save judas, represented all them given to Jesus christ]

Now God the Father, decreeing to make manifest this Great Love, He has for His Son, and His chosen in Him and with Him, decree their awful fall in Adam, of which He covenanted with His Son for their redcovery, and redemption, through His blood [ Eph 1:7]..

And in line with this purpose, God also decreed for some of mankind to come into this world, also having a terrible fall in their Father the devil, but in order to Show His High Sovereignty in dispensing His salvation blessings, God purposed not to have mercy on that portion of mankind, Hence, distinctly making Manifest His Special Love for His chosen Inheritance..

Micah 7:18

Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage [inheritance]? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

This must be preached in the Gospel of Christ, cannot be ashamed of..

beloved57
July 11th, 2009, 06:27 AM
In continuing with the gospel, and some of its vital doctrinal truthes that must be proclaimed, God through the blood of Jesus christ had determined to bestow upon His chosen people, the elect, Faith and Repentance with the remission of Sins..

Those preaching a false gospel, have taken what God has promised to give and bestow upon His children, i.e Faith and Repentance and have turned them into conditions of salvation, duties that one must perform to get saved..but this is a perversion of the truth of the gospel..

We see here that repentance and faith are freely bestowed upon a certain definite people:

Zech 12:10

10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,[particular people] the spirit of grace and of supplications:[repentance] and they shall look [believe in /Faith] upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn [repentance] for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

This picture is what occured specifically on the day of pentecost in Acts 2..

And is the grand example of what occurs with all of Gods elect some time during their journey on earth..

The thief on the cross experienced it in the very twilight of his life..

So instead of preaching repentance and faith as conditions for salvation [false gospel] they should as peter did, be preaching that God through Jesus their Saviour gives [not offers] repentance and remission of Sins to the elect, the Israel of God..

Acts 5:30-31

30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

beloved57
July 14th, 2009, 11:25 PM
In line with preaching the Gospel, it has as one of its major tenants of truth, the Grace of God, so much so, paul says this Acts 20:24

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.


One of the prevailing myths and deceptions in our day and time, is that God offers grace to all men [individually] and its up to them to either accept it or reject it :idunno:

That cannot be further from the truth..


So when witnessing to the Grace of God, one must highlight those things that the scripture has to Say regarding Gods Grace..

Gods grace originates in Him and His Eternal Purpose in Jesus christ 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us [The elect deed] in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Eph 3:10-11

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:


Yes, before the world began, Grace was given us [ the elect] in christ Jesus, it was Given Him by God the Father, whom had set him up as The GodMan Mediator for His People..we were representively in Him as we were later to be representively in adam..

And it was at this time in eternity that the gracious promise of Eternal Life was given us in and by our Head, The Lord Jesus christ..Titus 1:2

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised [ to Jesus christ as the Head of the church] before the world began;


This aspect of sacred truth is indespensible in proclaiming the Gospel of the Grace of God..

its vital to remember that the grace was given to us before the world began..not offered, or made available but given..

Gods Grace is not offered, but given to a specific people..given is in the aorist past tense, so its a done deal..

Now lets look at the fact that salvation Grace is not offered but given.. as our text in 2 Tim 1 points out:

by contrast we see grace is given Jn 1:17

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came [given] by Jesus Christ.

Now, was the Law offered by moses ? No, it was given and that effectually.. and also, neither Gods Law nor Gods grace are given without discrimination, but to a certain people.. concerning the law, it was given to the nation of Israel, Gods earthly people for a time, but grace is given to Gods spiritual People [ Spiritual Israel] for all time..

Next Rom 12:3

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.


Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Rom 15:15

Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,


1 Cor 1:4

I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

1 Cor 3 :10

According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon

Gal 2:9

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Eph 3:2

If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:


Eph 3:7

Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

For paul as all the elect of God, was saved by Grace given him..

Eph 3:8

Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Eph 4:7

But unto every one of us [ paul and other elect] is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.


Not one time is Grace said to be offered, or made available, for that is simply a invention of men..

beloved57
July 16th, 2009, 01:28 AM
The Gospel of Gods Grace cont
One of the Major Tenants of the Gospel of Gods Grace is that its grounded in election..

rom 11:

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now this in context is speaking about jews in israel, however its not limited to them, for there is also a remnant [residue] in the gentiles who are of the election of grace..

James speaks of them here:

acts 15:

14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.


15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Notice to take out of them [gentiles] a people, not all of them, but a residue..

Interesting, because the word remnant in rom 11 5 is the greek word:

leimma which means: its from the root

leipō which means:

to leave, leave behind, forsake, to be left behind

The ideal is that which is left over..

Now the word in acts 15 17 residue is the greek word:

kataloipos which means:

left remaining

So we see how those two words give the same identical meaning..that of whats left over, or left behind..

This points back to the truth that within the Jews there was a election of grace, and in the gentiles there is a election of grace..

And with both groups, they are part of the whole of the people, hence clearly indicative that only some of each people group are election of grace..

Its only a remnant of mankind that is saved by grace as in eph 2 :

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Yes, the election of grace in rom 11 5 and the salvation by grace through faith [eph 2 8] are the same thing..

Notice how after each reference to grace in each verse they are followed by a denial of works..

Rom 11 :6

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

eph 2 9

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

BTW the faith in eph 2 8 is not the Faith of the Individual, but the Faith of Jesus Christ, His Faithfulness...

So the elect are said to be saved by grace through [ christ Faithfulness,] which means, the faith was not of our own, but the gift of God..for Jesus christ is Gods Gift to the election of grace..[rom 8:32]

Jesus is said to be the gift here jn 4:

Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Jesus was the Gift of God not only to the Jewish elect, but to the World..Jn 3:


16For God so loved the world [Jew and gentile elect], that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

Now, in preaching the election of grace, the remnant from the rest, then who are the rest ? Remeber paul said:

rom 11:

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

The rest are the reprobates in the world, the children of hell, the seed of the serpent, the tares, those of perdition, the blinded..the cast aways paul speaks of:

1 cor 9:

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
[ reprobate]

So there is no such thing as preaching the Gospel of Gods grace without preaching the rejection of the reprobated,[vessels of wrath] for that

fact aids in defining and clarifying the Nature of Salvation by Grace, its

discriminate nature, and Hence Gods people percieve they are special to God..above all other peoples of the earth [deut 7:6]

There is simply no way to Preach salvation by Grace without preaching Sovereign Discriminating Grace for some [the election of grace] and reprobation for others..
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beloved57
July 16th, 2009, 10:02 PM
cont Gospel of Gods Grace [it reigns]
In proclaiming the Gospel of Gods Grace, it must be procaimed that it is Sovereign, it Reigns as a King..

rom 5:

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now how Sovereign is death ? Can any man resist death ? Can you use your freewill to dictate when your going to die ?

The wise man said:

ecc 3:

2A time to be born, and a time to die;

ecc 8:


There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

You see that ? Death has uncontrollable Sovereignty over all men..because it reigns by the decree of the Almighty..

But..Grace Reigns even moreso than death.

The word for reign in the rom 5 21 verse is :

basileuō and means:

to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reign

metaph. to exercise the highest influence, to control

Grace is more Sovereing and has a Higer Influence of control than Death has..

rom 5:
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

rom 5 20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin[and death] abounded, grace did much more abound:

Whatever uncontrollable Sovereignty Death has over Men, even Grace much More..

A person can resist death moreso than Gods Grace..

Grace brings Salvation [in power and Glory] to all men ..that is all types and sorts of Men..

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

The Ideal here is not as the antichrist ministers and followers say, that is grace is merely made available to all or that its offered to all..

No thats a short change..but the Sovereign Grace of God comes to all the election of Grace of men in their various times and conditions and most powerfully brings their salvation of the Lord to them ! That they may experience and enjoy it and bless the Lord for it..
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Like saul who became paul acts 9..thats an illustration of Grace bringing Salvation to one of the all men for whom it was designed..

Jesus said of zacchaeus lk 19:

And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

You see that ? Salvation, the Grace of it came, brought to Him his appointed salvation as a Son of abraham..

Hence, preaching the Gospel of Gods Grace, the True Servant of God declares that Grace Reigns through righteousness unto eternal life, through, not freewill, but through Jesus christ..

beloved57
July 20th, 2009, 10:30 AM
When Preaching the gospel of Gods grace, it must be made clear that it is Sovereign, in that it reigns as a King, this is clearly taught by paul here:

rom 5:

21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might [for the purpose of] grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Again the word for reign is

basileuō which means:

to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reign
This means, that King Jesus is exercising His Kingly Power of His Grace in converting His elect..

remember what Jesus said to His sent preachers in matt ? Matt 28:
18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Jesus communicates His kingly Grace to the chosen members of His body for their spiritual conversion and wellbeing..
Jn 1:

16And of his fulness have all we [the election of grace] received, and grace for grace.

We, the elect recieve it in time, for it was given us in Him before Time began..2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Was given is a aorist past tense, and the time of the giving is clearly set forth as before the world began..

Now, this Grace, which is communicated by The risen Sovereign Lord, is communicated unto each member of His body He died for, this Grace is nothing Short of Gods Al Mighty Spiritual power.
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This spiritual power reigns unto life, and it is effectual in its intentions..paul tells us eph 3:

7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

This is true of all the saints of God, regarding our conversion experience, its by grace given [ by our Head] us by the effectual working of His Power..

All of course are not called apostles, but all are called unto a good work , ordained for them to walk unto..as eph 2 explains:

eph 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


paul as a member of the body had his ordained work, and all other members of the body, at their personal conversion have their ordained work..

So, to preach The Gospel of Gods Grace, the Fact that its Gods Sovereign Spiritual power, working effectually, its imperative..

beloved57
August 17th, 2009, 11:58 AM
Eternal Union a Gospel Truth

Paul says, I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God, to everyone believing..

Its the Truth that the natural man cannot recieve the things of God because they are spiritually discerned, meaning one must be born of the Spirit in order to be spiritually capacitated to recieve Gospel Truth, and one of the most neglected Truthes of the Gospel is that of the elect of God, sustaining a eternal union, with Jesus christ, their head, before the world began..eph 1:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This is indicative of this gospel fact, the key phrase being in him. You see Jesus christ was chosen as per 1 pet 2:

4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect [or chosen], precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

And consequently, those whom Peter was writing are also called elect 1 pet 1:

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

That word generation is important here for its the greek word:

genos which means:

kindred

a) offspring
b) family

Peter calls them a chosen offspring, or seed..

This confirms the point I am making, that is, as Jesus christ is chosen, His seed, offspring, generation in him is also chosen..

So peter calls them a chosen generation..this could not be if they were not in eternal union with Their Head, Jesus christ..

Yes, the elect [generation] was chosen at the same date as Christ was, before the world began..Thats why Jesus says:

Jn 17:


23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

If God Loved Jesus christ [ His elect] before the foundation of the world vs 24 Then likewise did He Love his seed the same vs 23..

Jesus at this early date was The Head of the body per col 1:

17And he [ Jesus christ] is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And [At the same time] he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

We see here that He [ Jesus christ] is before All things, and this while being the head of the church, his body or seed or generation.. And as such He is

#1. The beginning #2. The Firstborn from the dead [ of his church] and 3. He has the preeminence in all things..

This is special, because scripture says He is the beginning as the head of his church body, this means that his church was with him in the beginning Jn 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And to confirm that these things are gospel truthes in col 1, we need to look no further than col 1 23

23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

beginning from vs 12-22 is nothing short of the recap of the gospel that had been preached to them aforetime..



12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
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beloved57
August 17th, 2009, 12:58 PM
This eternal union of Jesus christ and His body is because of election, Federal Headship Representation [ As in Adam] and because of being His seed [generation].

The only way to do away with eternal union with Jesus christ before the world began, is to deny or do away with The Preexisitence of Jesus christ before the world began. This however cannot be denied for scripture declares His Pre Exsistence as #1. The Mediator between God and Men 1 tim 2:

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Most certainly the All Knowing and Wise God would not purpose to create a world of men , and not have Mens Mediator already set up. If not but having a High regard for Gods wisdom and prudence as in eph 1:

8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

This consideration alone necessitates the need of the GodMan Mediator, in preparation of the sin of adam and the elect in Him..

When Adam sinned, the seed of the Women [ Jesus christ] already existed in heaven..

Also as Mediator, this constituted Him the proper Medium of the Creation eph 3:

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by [medium] Jesus Christ:


Note: Jesus christ being the medium of salvation, in no means lessens His being the Creator of the World..See Jn 1 3


Col 1:


16For by him [The Mediator Jesus christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


and hence this establishes, that Jesus christ pre existed as GodMan Mediator,[pre creation ] then that also establishes the Eternal Union of the elect in him..

For a Head could not have existed without a body..

This is a Gospel Truth that only Gods True people will be able to recieve to the rejoicing of their souls..
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penofareadywriter
August 17th, 2009, 01:23 PM
Feel better now?

beloved57
August 19th, 2009, 11:59 PM
There is No Gospel without teaching the Triune God involved in salvation, The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost each effects Salvation for the elect of God..

freelight
August 20th, 2009, 02:15 PM
~*~*~

If its 'gospel' its good news for all :)

Not that God has pre-ordained and chosen a special selection of souls to be 'disenfranchised' for all eternity.



pj

beloved57
August 20th, 2009, 07:33 PM
If its 'gospel' its good news for all

All the elect,not the seed of the devil..

beloved57
August 23rd, 2009, 09:03 AM
The elect have Two Heads, The Lord Jesus christ, and Adam..of course Jesus christ is their head before Adam is, for in all things He [ Jesus christ] has the preeminence..col 1 18

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And as there is a distinction in the Two Heads, One Earthly and One Heavenly, so there is a difference in the Lives they bring forth..

Remember as there was life [natural] of men in Adam, so likewise there was life of men in Jesus christ jn 1:

4In him was life [Spiritual]; and the life was the light [spiritual] of men.

NOTE: This verse is not referring to natural life or light, the elect have that in adam..

As the Head of the seed, adam had all the natural lives of the elect in Him, [gen 1:26] and as the Head of the seed, Jesus had all the Spiritual lives of the elect in Him..

The unions of each head to their seed are different, one began in time [adam] and is earthy as in 1 cor 15:

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

There is no uncertainty or chance here, but all working to Gods eternal purpose..as the elect had a time set in the purpose of God to bare the image of their earthly head, so likwise He has a set purpose and time for each of them to bare image of their heavenly head..

ecc 3:

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2A time to be born [naturally and spiritually], and a time to die;

The other union [spiritual] began before time began and will last throughout Eternity..

The elect by nature in their head adam are born under the Law, and by nature deserving of wrath as others [non elect] and we act as they do to, if not even worse in some cases..

But in our head Jesus christ, The Only begotten of the Father, was setup, and in Him the elect have always been under the everlasting covenant, ordained in all things [both spiritual and physical] and sure..

Our foreunion [Head] to adam is made manifest when we [the elect] are born of the flesh, but our foreunion [Head] to Jesus christ is made manifest by our NewBirth of the Spirit..

This why Jesus said to nicademus, unless a man is born again of the Spirit, he shall not see or enter the kingdom of God, because that is what makes manifest their eternal union and heirship with Jesus christ..

beloved57
August 24th, 2009, 08:01 AM
The elect must have had a Union with Jesus christ when He died in their stead and place or else His death could not have been judicial and expiate their sins, No justice would have been done, if union was not there and they werent constituted all one in the eyes of Gods offended Law..

If no union existed, God could not be just in justifying, those believing in Jesus. He [ Jesus] must be united to his church before He could suffer for her and in her stead, else Jesus death really had no justice in it for them..

bybee
August 24th, 2009, 08:47 AM
All the elect,not the seed of the devil..

The devil doesn't have the power to create. He is a destroyer only. The devil has no seed. But he can uproot and destroy that which is not firmly planted. To spend one's time passing judgment on the worth of any of God's children is to usurp one of God's functions. bybee

beloved57
August 24th, 2009, 09:18 AM
The devil doesn't have the power to create.

Who said he did ? God creates the devil seed in the womb..ps 51:

5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

beloved57
August 24th, 2009, 06:22 PM
Heb 2:

11For both he [Jesus christ] that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

This is a very important Gospel Truth that the antichrist ministers and followers neglect..

And thats the Eternal Union and Oneness of Jesus christ and His elect..

They are all of one..this truth is seen also in romans 8:

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Jesus himself being a Son vs 29, then He and the [many brethern]

must have been born of the same seed, the Same parentage, [ Pre Creation] and be Sons together..hence All of One [ heb 2 11]

Jesus christ was the only Begotten and Firstborn of the Father, with a [spiritual] seed or offspring or posterity in Him.. Thats why Jesus told mary this:

Jn 20:

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

You see, mary and the other disciples as well as future believers in Him , He is their Firstborn brother and all of One Father and Seed..

Jesus christ acknowledges the Many Sons as His Brethern and His children spiritually, isa 9:

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

He is the everlasting Father of the elect only in a spiritual sense as we were His seed and one with Him..He was a spiritual proginator because we are born again of Him as the Word of God..1 pet 1:

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

He is the incorruptible seed of which the elect recieve their spiritual lives from..

Just as we recieved our physical lives from our natural head adam, but thats corruptible seed, but He incorruptible seed..

Just as the elect had a real union with adam, that is made manifest by the coming forth of our physical lives of corruption, so likewise the elect had a real union with Jesus christ that is made manifest by the bringing forth of our spiritual lives of incorruption.. So Jesus christ and his brethern are all of one..

beloved57
August 25th, 2009, 09:03 AM
heb 2:

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

This oneness of the elect of God and the Lord Jesus christ, all being of one seed, is foundational as to why believers have been Joint Heirs with Jesus christ per rom 8:

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

You see, Jesus christ was Heir of the World before it was created, in fact it was created or made by Him and for Him..

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

The world was made by him that had been appointed Heir of all things..and hence, this is the elects joint heirship with Jesus christ..remember paul said to the corinths in 1 cor 3:

21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;

22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

Paul is referring to heb 1 2 here in 1 cor 3..

Again all things were made by Him [the Heir] and for Him per col 1:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jesus christ was the Heir of the world [all things] and because the elect were of one with Him [ heb 2 11] and His brethern / children=seed they too Joint heirs with Jesus christ..

This had nothing to do with mans freewill choice, water baptism and all of that false teaching going on these days, not even mans faith caused any of this, but this truth is grounded in eternal election in Christ before the world began, as being of His seed..

This passage gal 3: 16- 29 Identifys Jesus christ and subsequent believers as the One Seed of abraham..not seeds as in many, but seed, which is Christ..

Simply this the single seed christ, stands for the plural members of that one seed..

gal 3:

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Christ is made up of many members 1 cor 12:

12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

This is a very important truth, the eternal union of the elect with their head and heir of the world Jesus christ..

It is to the Heirs, [Joint heirs] that salvation is promised and communicated to heb 1:

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

on hebrews 1 14 John Gill writes:

"Sent forth to minister for them who shall be the heirs of salvation?
the persons they minister to, and for, are those, who shall be the heirs of salvation; that is, of eternal glory, which will be possessed by the saints, as an inheritance: hence it belongs to children, being bequeathed to them by their Father, and comes to them through the death of Christ, of which the Spirit is the earnest; and this shows that it is not of works, and that it is of an eternal duration, and takes in all kind of happiness: and of this the saints are heirs now; and so the Ethiopic version renders it, "who are heirs of salvation"; nor should it be rendered, "who shall be heirs", but rather, "who shall inherit salvation"; for this character respects not their heirship, but their actual inheriting of salvation:"

For the elect are Heirs of salvation even when born sinners by nature..because of their eternal union with Jesus christ, being his seed..

beloved57
August 25th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Matt 24:

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I know how the antichrist ministers and followers have corrupted this text to say it applies to the Jews and some future kingdom..

But thats not true, its the same Gospel of Jesus christ that Paul preached and any other God called preacher of God preached.

But I will say this, Spiritually, this Gospel is for the Jews,[ rom 2 :28,29] and for those who are part of a Kingdom [ jn 18:36].

The Gospel of the Kingdom is for those who have been birthed into the kingdom of God by the Holy Ghost Jn 3:

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

also col 1:

12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:


13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Its only then can a person come to understand the Gospel of the kingdom, after having been birthed into or translated into the Kingdom of God and or of His Dear Son..this is accomplished by the Holy Ghost..

Matt 13:

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you[disciples] to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

BTW, this above scripture proves that the disciples had been born again into the kingdom of God already, for Jesus christ to make this statement to them..

We must not forget that paul says that the gospel is a mystery message, paul says this in more than one way and place..1 cor 2:

2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Did you catch this ? Please notice how paul is equating preaching Jesus christ in vs 2 , with speaking the wisdom of God in a mystery, hidden wisdom in vs 7 ! Also this wisdom of the Gospel was ordained before the world for our [ the whole election of grace] glory..

The word ordained is the greek word:

proorizō which means:
1) to predetermine, decide beforehand
2) [B]in the NT of God decreeing from eternity
3) to foreordain, appoint beforehand

This wisdom [Gospel of Jesus christ] is hidden from the wise and prudent of the world per matt 11:

25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

26Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Revealed unto babes..perhaps newborn babes as in 1 pet 2:2

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

or the little children given him of the Father as in heb 2:13

And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

The word children here is
paidion and means:

young child, a little boy, a little girl
a) infants
b) children, little ones
c) an infant
1) of a (male) child just recently born


So that would refer to being born into the Kingdom jn 3 3..

Back to 1 cor 2 7 where the Gospel of christ is called wisdom, hidden wisdom, this synchronizes with Jesus christ being the wisdom of God 1 cor 1:

24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. cp prov 8:22ff..

The point here however is that Preaching christ and him crucified is a Gospel kingdom Mystery, not for the natural man at all..

Paul says this in eph 6:

19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, cp

1 cor 2:

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Teaching and preaching, and making known the mysterious complex person of Jesus christ 1 tim 3:

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

He as the GodMan Mediator, His Pre exisitence as the head of His body the church as in col 1:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning,

the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

The head of the church, those chosen in Him before the foundation of the world, the Mystery of who His church is, comprised of both jew and gentile, the spiritual seed of abraham..these gospel kingdom topics are wrote about prominently in eph 2 , 3 and rom 11..

All of this comprises the Gospel that the apostles preached and this was nothing short of the Gospel of the kingdom of God, to be understood by a Kingdom People..Matt 13:

19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not [not born again into the Kingdom], then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

23But he that received seed into the good ground [Kingdom ground] is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

beloved57
September 5th, 2009, 11:46 AM
In proclaiming his Gospel, Paul writes this:

1 cor 1:

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

God has made Jesus Christ this [these things] unto us first and foremost imputatively, by an Eternal act of His Mind, whereas He declared it so and it was So..

2 cor 5:
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


These things God has done for us [ Through Jesus Christ] before what He does in us [ Through the Holy Ghost]


The things that God has done for the elect through Jesus Christ [good news] is the foundation for the things he does in the elect through The Holy Ghost..

Those reconciled to God by the death of Gods Son, are called into participation of that reconciliation by the The Holy Ghost of God..hence

2 cor 5:


19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. [ for us]
20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. [in us]

heir
September 5th, 2009, 11:50 AM
There is No Gospel without teaching the Triune God involved in salvation, The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost each effects Salvation for the elect of God..1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Believe it!

SaulToPaul
September 5th, 2009, 12:24 PM
1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Believe it!

He can't believe it because he hasn't perservered unto the end yet proving himself to be one of "the elect".

beloved57
September 5th, 2009, 10:51 PM
This is where the calvinist go wrong, in addition to their christology, and that is the point of special faith, that act of the elect through the work of the Holy Ghost, when given to apprehend the righteousness of Jesus christ for Justification of life. This special faith does not give the elect the right to Justification of life [ causatively], but , by Faith they come to enjoy it and finding consciously that peace between them and God on behalf of Jesus Christ obedience on their behalf. The Actual Justification of life, is an eternal immanent act of God the Father, who from everlasting, gave or imputed it to the elect world 2 cor 5:

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This is simple, the elect world never had their sins laid personally to their charge, because they were laid to the charge of Jesus christ..and in turn His righteousness was imputed to them, which is their Justification before God..

The Holy Ghost in time and during the lifetime of each vessel of mercy, He is sent to make Known this Justification that the elect had in their Head from everlasting, even before their creation and subsequent fall in Adam..

Both the Armenian and the todays calvinist deny Justification before God solely on the merits of Jesus Christ..

Here be the difference..The Armenian believes they are Justified by the flesh, in other words, they deny the need of regeneration to be Justified before God, just an act of their will can produce Justification, their believing, whereas the calvinist believe a work of the Holy Spirit is needed to make one Justified before God..but both teachings deny Justification before God solely by the Work of Jesus Christ alone, apart from freewill and apart from regeneration..

beloved57
September 8th, 2009, 09:50 AM
1 jn 5:



10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

The Gospel is a testimonial of The record that God has given us [ the election] of His Son, of which testimony, its declared that God has given to us eternal life, and that it was in His Son..

Only those whom God calls and equip with a understanding of the Gospel and of His Son, are qualified to bear witness of this Gospel record and what it entails..

The Gospel elucidates what it means when John writes, that this life was given us in His Son..

For when was the us in the Son ? Well, first of all, by election, we [ the elect] were in Him before the foundation of the World..

eph 1:

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 1:


1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised [to His Son and his Sons seed in Him] before the world began;

This is the record God has given to His Holy Apostles as here testified by them..

The Fact of a previous Union with Christ is the basis for all spiritual life that the elect experience in this life and that one to come..

In other words, A life must have been given us [ the elect] in Jesus Christ the Son of God, before the world began, before we partake of it Here below by the New Birth..

The exact is True of the elects physical life in Adam, that it existed in Adam before it was later manifested via physical birth of our parents..

Our being born into the natural world, did not make us the sons or daughters of Adam and eve, for eve was declared to be the Mother of the Living before her children were born..gen 3:

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Now, who was actually living then, besides her head and husband ?

But they had a seed in them, in the head of course, and she even later testifies to it here gen 4:25

And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Her seed must be Adams seed too, for He is Her Head..

So back to the point, the elect had a union with Adam, and were his children in Him, before they became manifested by natural birth..

so it can be truly said, that the record proves, that God had given us life [physical] and this Life was in His Son Adam.. who could deny it, if it wasn't true, the elect could not have been brought forth physically and been manifested..

Now, and So likewise, our [ The elect] generation or birth Spiritually, is the Manifestation of that Life which was given us [ the elect] in Christ before the World began, and this is why later in our lifetime we are manifested as Gods children by new birth..for the new birth of every child of God is merely a manifestation of them having been in Jesus Christ [Gods Son] as His seed, just as our physical birth is merely a manifestation of having been Adam's natural seed..

Both manifestations required a previous Union with a Head..and this previous union with Jesus Christ[U] is a gospel truth of the record that God gave of His Son to the Apostles, and in turned they preached or bare witness to the same..

John writes 1 jn 5:

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

This gives us to understand, that the Apostles believed and preached eternal life given based upon a previous union we [ the elect] had with the Son of God..a life we had in Him, though not yet manifested..

And those who don't believe this record, this witness, has made God a Liar..

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
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beloved57
September 8th, 2009, 07:52 PM
1 cor 10:17
1 cor 10:

17For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Paul here is speaking to those who are the called, the church of God, the sanctified in Christ Jesus , the chosen i.e 1 cor 1:



1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

Paul tells a Gospel Truth, A mystery in Fact, How that believers had been one body..though many members, yet one body..

Jesus Christ died for His body, those whom He was One with, He as their Head, they His body..

For from the beginning, the beginning of all things, Jesus Christ existed as the Head of His body per col 1:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Note, Who is the beginning as the Head of the body, the church..That means that we [ the elect, the church] was with Him in the beginning. Our Life or the lives of His Members, His body, was with Him in the beginning..

Now get this, Jesus Christ body was broken for those who were His body..

1 cor 11: 23, 24

23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Talking about understanding the Union between Jesus Christ and His body..

If this doesn't prove particular redemption, then nothing does..Jesus Christ death, the breaking of His body, was for His body..

Paul says in eph 5 that the Lord is the Saviour of the body: vs 23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

He is the Saviour of the body, His body, the church, why ? Because She His Body, the Church, Sinned in adam her natural head.

And Paul is saying here, that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of His Body, the church of which He is Head of..and Jesus Christ was not the head of the seed of the serpent..ever.

His body becoming sinful by her sin in Adam, He took it as His responsibility, for He was legally able to , to suffer Her punishment, that she deserved, for breaking Gods Law..

Thats why Paul says that He is the Saviour of the body..When the body, the church sinned in Adam, she, though sinful and reprehensible, was not responsible for the legal guilt [condemnantion] that she incurred, but the legal guilt [condemnation] was transferred [or imputed] to her Head, The Lord Jesus Christ.. God viewed, not her, but Her head as the guilty party, though He did no sin [ personally].Because she sinned, His body, He, The Lord Christ her head, must die..

lk 9:22

Saying, The Son of man[B] must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Why must he be slain, because His body, his wife, his members, sinned against His and their Father..

You see that, even Gods Love for His own Son, and His body, could not set aside, or wink at the Justice due to His broken Law by them..though they [his members] did not have to die, He must..job says:

job 33:24

Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.

zech 9 11


11As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners [your members] out of the pit wherein is no water.

This would be the blood of the everlasting covenant whereby Jesus was made a surety for His body, His wife, His church..

Again, Jesus Christ body was broken for those who were His body.. 1 cor 12:

27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

eph 1:

22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

He gave himself for his church, the body eph 5:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church [ his body], and gave himself for it [His body or church];

Folk this is the Mystery Paul was given to Preach..eph 5:


31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Jesus left His Father and was Joined to His wife, by becoming Flesh per heb 2:

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Jesus became one flesh with His wife, Joined Her here on earth..

His incarnation into flesh and blood was his joining her and becoming one flesh with her , save the sin..He was in the likeness of sinful flesh..and did not become a sinner as they had became in the flesh..but nevertheless, though she had become sinful, He was not ashamed of Her still..

heb 2:

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

The Fall of the body of Christ in Adam, did not deter his great love for her..because nevertheless, they were one, all of one Father..

as the Mystery is unveiled we have gen 2 :

24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. cp heb 2:

14Forasmuch then as the children [body] are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

eph 5:

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

This is a great mystery, vs 30..that sinful men and women by nature, were members of his body, of his flesh, and his bones..That they were one flesh..

This is the Mystery of the Gospel which was revealed to him per gal 1:

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul said the Gospel which was preached of him, is not after man, but by Revelation of Jesus Christ..

Jesus Christ revealed the Mystery of the gospel, and for whom it was that He died for..it was for His wife, his members, His body..

That was the Mystery revealed to Him, and he boldly preached it eph 6:

19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Paul preached this mystery to the Corinthians, for He restates he received it 1 cor 15:

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

he spoke of it as a mystery to them 1 cor 2:

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

we know he viewed them as Jesus Christ wife or bride 2 cor 11:

2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

one husband, because He knew by Revelation, that Jesus Christ only laid down His Life for his body, whom He was one flesh with, His wife..thats a great mystery..

And if one is preaching any other gospel, universalism, unlimited atonement, freewill-ism , let them be accursed..

if one is not preaching that Christ died for His church, His wife, His body, but adds to it, its because its no light in them..

And, The devil and His children, have no part in this matter and salvation..

beloved57
September 14th, 2009, 09:10 PM
The Gospel Promises, the blessings of the everlasting covenant, are only applied [ by the Holy Ghost] to the seed of the women [ which is Jesus Christ and His body] in distinction to the seed of the serpent..

Gen 3:15

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Lets look a two passages first, the Typical Christ in David:

Ps 89:1

3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, cp with

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him [ David or Jesus Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Remember David speaking of His house ? This to is typical of the Anti-type Jesus Christ..

2 Sam 23:5

Although my [David] house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Whats ordered in all things and sure ? All the promises..hence all the Gospel Promises centered in the everlasting covenant to Jesus Christ, the Anti-typical David, and to His seed in Him..You see Jesus and His members are one..he is their head, they his body..

That seed of the women Gen 3:15, is the same as the election of grace Rom 11:5

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

The seed of the women are those children of promise counted for the seed Rom 9:8

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

And those under the purpose of election Rom 9:11

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that callethhttp://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/images/smilies/wink.gif

This includes the elect seed of all time, of all nationalities..the seed of Abraham..
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beloved57
September 15th, 2009, 04:48 PM
The Gospel Promises The Forgiveness of sins..

This forgiveness is not conditioned on anything the forgiven must do or say, like confession, repenting, or believing..none of that, but all the stipulations and conditions were fulfilled by their Covenant Head, and His redemptive blood..eph 1:

7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

The word forgiveness is the greek word:

aphesis which means:

release from bondage or imprisonment

2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

Amen, remission is the ideal, God letting them go as if they never had been committed..remission of the penalty of sin period..past , present and future sin has been remitted..and why ?

Not because of anything done by the sinner..but by grace..by the blood of Christ..according to the riches of Gods Grace..

This is a Covenant blessing however for a Covenant People heb 8:


10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

They will be remembered no more, because they have bee taken out of the way by the cross..the lamb, the scapegoat..

Remember the scapegoat on the day of the atonement ?

Lev 16:



7And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

8And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
10But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Now further down:


20And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their

transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
22And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.


Now, whose sins and transgressions were sent away, remitted ?

This is important..lets look at verse 21

21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their

A specific people, Gods chosen covenant people..all the rest of the world of peoples were omitted by God, God was pleased that they remain in ignorance..

And so it is today, The forgiveness of sin the Gospel proclaims is for the anti typical Children of Israel..by which the writer of hebrews means in heb 8:


10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

And this covenant people partake of the New Covenant in Jesus Christ blood, which is shed for many, why ? For the remission [ forgiveness] of sins..Matt 26:


28For this is my blood of the new testament[covenant], which is shed for many [The New Covenant Israel] for the remission of sins.

This is the Gospel I preach today, if one belongs to the new covenant Israel, the elect people of God, for you, Jesus Christ has shed his blood, for the remission of your sins, they are forgiven today, for Christ sake..

NovusInquisitor
September 15th, 2009, 10:57 PM
The Devil (and sooner than later I'm afraid, the Antichrist) is a mockery of God. He does not run around with a pentagram on his forehead burning down churches. He is far more sublte than that. While it is true that he cannot TRULY create, he can twist and mutuate worldly things so that they have, for all intents and purposes, BECOME new. He may even do material good, but the hand of Christ is not present in any of his "gifts" only an unflinching, prevailing self love.

As for predestination, it is indefensible. If you sincerely believe in Predestination, stop reading this forum. It doesnt matter. Go burn your bible. Doesnt matter. Go have a wild orgy...getting the picture?
John Calvin makes the list of 5 dumbest people to achieve success

beloved57
September 20th, 2009, 01:28 AM
eph 5:

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

It cant be no plainer than this, That scripture tells us who Christ particularly Loved and whom He gave [ His life] Himself for..

He died for the church, the ekklessia..when Paul wrote in 1 cor 15:

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Paul here was not speaking of every human being, but of His church, his body.. for His church and body are the same..

col 1:

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Notice, he endures afflictions for Christ body sake, the church, and it is for those of the body who are yet unconverted..

Just because an elect or a member of Christ body is born in sin, dead spiritually, enemies of God in their natural minds..this doesn't mean they are not of His body, the church..

The church whom Christ Loved and gave Himself for, is that same entity he is said to have come and to seek and to save that [it] which was Lost

lk 19:

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

The That in this verse, is the same as the it in eph 5:

eph 5:

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

The reason why Jesus Christ gave Himself for the church is twofold:

#1. vs 26

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

For the purpose of its being sanctified, and cleansed with the washing of the Word..

The church needs to be sanctified and cleansed because its sinful by nature, all its members are by nature children of wrath [ not the devils children] by nature.

She is Sanctified by the Holy Ghost, and washed in the Truth of the Gospel..The same order as in 2 thess 2:

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation

through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

So thats one why Jesus Christ gave himself for the church !

#2.vs 27

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

That He may perfect Her..Not they themselves, but thats His Goal through His giving himself for Her..to bring her to perfection without blemish before the Throne of His Father..

The writer in Hebrews says:

heb 10:

14For by one offering he [Jesus Christ] hath perfected for ever them[The church] that are sanctified.

The church has a Triune sanctification..by the Father in her election Jude 1:


1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

By the Son Heb 13:

Wherefore Jesus also, that he [The Son] might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

And of course the holy Ghost 2 thess 2:

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth.


This is the purpose for Jesus Christ giving himself for the church, the called out ones, not the whole world of men, to include the devils seed, but to His body, the church, bone of His bone and flesh of his flesh..

Thats the gospel

beloved57
September 26th, 2009, 09:55 AM
eph 3:

6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The Gospel Promises has always only been for a certain people, and not for all the world as in individuals, but it was now being manifested that it was for all the world geographically..in other words, the certain people for whom the gospel promises are for, did not just reside in the land of Israel, but that the seed of Abraham's was world wide and included the gentiles..

Thats why it was written by Paul about Abraham that God preached the Gospel to Him by saying:

gal 3:

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen[gentiles] through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

hence Abraham's expectation was not merely a plot of land as His Canaan of promise, but the world..

rom 4 13

13For the promise, that he[ Abraham] should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law ,[National Israel] but through the righteousness of faith.

This is pretty plain, that the Gospel promises to Abraham was not to His seed through the Law, meaning that earthly people that was delivered out of Egypt and given the Law Covenant at Sinai..

But through the righteousness of Faith, that perceived righteousness by the obedience of the One coming, Jesus Christ ..

Now back in my text it reads that the gentiles were partakers of the same promises..

Which promises of the Gospel were grounded in the New Covenant to who ? To all the world ? No..

The New Covenant promises of the Gospel were never for all the world [ as individuals] but for a specific people, the House of Israel..

Lets look as jer 31:

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Now, where is the Promise to all individuals in the world in this promise ? Its not..but to a distinct people..the House of Judah and Israel which are the same, for Judah was Israels Son..


32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

These Gospel Promises of the new Covenant to the seed of Abraham [ spiritual] are the many I Will's and they shall's of God toward this certain people..

Lets look at them:

vs 33..He will put His Laws in their hearts and inward parts [ new birth promised see titus 3 :5-6]

He will be their God..This in itself makes their lives secure from the womb..

And they shall be my people..that is by faith they will be manifested as the children of God..gal 3:

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

This shows that faith in Christ is the result of Gods promise of the New Covenant [ and they shall be my people]

vs 34..Spiritually knowledge is ensured and not depended on man, for all of this certain people will know God..and there will not be any respect of persons, but from the least of this people to the greatest will be blessed with this Spiritual understanding..1 jn 5:20

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us [Spiritual Israel] an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Another promise is the forgiveness of sins, and the knowledge of it..

And their sins and iniquities will He remember no more..

And why is that ? because of the blood of the New Covenant matt 26:


28For this is my blood of the new testament [covenant], which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The Many would be the House of Israel, jer 31 :

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Now here is the Mystery revealed, that the House of Israel was not only comprised of ethnic Jews who were of the election of grace, but also gentiles too who were of the election of grace, who were not of the ethnic nation of Israel..

But nevertheless they were partakers of the same promises of the Gospel as the elect ethnic Jew's were..

eph 3:

6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Notice that gentiles should be of the same body..What same body ? Why that body of People to whom the New Covenant promises were Made..which was jer 31:

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The word house here is the Hebrew word:

tyb and has the meaning of " Those belonging to the same household..

So you see, it was a secret not yet revealed clearly, that the gentiles were of the same household, the same body of the House of Israel to whom the New covenant promises had been made..in jer 31: 31

So even though the Gospel promises never varied in that they were for a distinct people [ House of Israel] yet it was brought to light that , that distinct people was comprised of peoples all over the World..the gentiles..

The Gospel of New Covenant salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ was never for all the World of men, unless we are talking about scope, but not as individuals, because all individuals don't belong to the House of Israel..else God would have never made this distinct people separated from all other peoples in the world..

This is a Gospel Truth that Paul Preached..
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beloved57
October 1st, 2009, 09:44 PM
Paul said that he preached the Gospel of the grace of God per acts 20:

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Yes, The elect are saved by Grace eph 2:

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Note that in both scriptures, Paul writes that the elect are saved by Grace and not by Faith

Many have corrupted salvation by Grace, by taking the reference to Faith in vs 8 and making it a condition of grace and salvation..but that is grave and serious error..

Eph 2 5 and 2 8 are the same truth, except vs 8 adds expansion to the definition or meaning of being saved by Grace.

That is, that Faith is inclusive in the Truth of being saved by Grace. The Gift of God is salvation by grace through faith..

The Faith and the Grace are the gift of God..Together they package salvation by grace through Faith..

The Faith is included in that it is the receptive valve and the realization of the salvation we have in and through Jesus Christ..

rom 5 17

For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.



So Grace furnishes the Faith to believe, as it is written, that the elect believe by Grace acts 18:

27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

So in essence, being saved by grace per eph 2 5 is inclusive of being saved by Grace through Faith eph 2 8..It [ salvation by grace through faith] is the Gift of God..

beloved57
October 16th, 2009, 09:13 PM
1 cor 1:23

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

2:2

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Preaching Christ crucified means, That He was put to death for the sins of His church, the elect of God. He having had their sins imputed to Him, as their surety and covenant head..

He being made a sin offering for the Israel of God 2 cor 5:

21For he hath made him to be sin for us [the church], who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

For Jesus Christ did not come to save all people from their sins, but His People Matt 1:

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Not all Jewish people, but His people or sheep from amongst the Jews and gentiles, the wide scope of the seed of Abraham, for it is written, in thee shall all nations be blessed..

You cant preach christ and him crucified without naming specifically for whom He was crucified, and it was not for all mankind to include the devils seed or offspring..

beloved57
October 19th, 2009, 05:45 AM
All that the Father giveth Me shall come unto me..

Jn 6:

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Amen, Jesus Himself taught election and special redemption in these very words..

It is very evident from this portion of the Word of God, that the Love Gift of the Father is not all humanity..This is corroborated in Jn 17..

We find throughout the whole chapter of Jn 17 who these special people people are who the Father gave unto the Son..They are those given to Jesus Christ out of the world per jn 17:6

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

In another place Jesus is saying I will declare thy name to my brethren per heb 2:12

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

Those that have been singled out of the world, not because of their own freewill, repenting and believing, or doing and working, or anything that man does or think. They have been set apart by the Sovereign, electing, and discriminating eternal purpose of God, from everlasting..

They have been under Gods everlasting purpose of mercy from everlasting to everlasting ps 103:

17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice, this mercy is not for all mankind, but for those who Fear Him..

And fearing Him is not a condition of this mercy, but as a result of it..for none feared God from everlasting of themselves..

So this speaks to eternal election in their Head, the Lord Jesus Christ whom is from everlasting..

beloved57
October 19th, 2009, 07:54 AM
God says that their is a special people He calls, which is a remnant according to the election of grace, predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [ their elder brother], and its them so predestined that He calls, Justifies, and glorifies, so who can lay anything to the charge of Gods elect ?

beloved57
October 24th, 2009, 07:46 AM
Acts 20:

27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

27For I never shrank or kept back or fell short from declaring to you the whole purpose and plan and counsel of God

27For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God.

Paul wrote this in the context of Preaching the gospel of Gods Grace vs


24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

Notice the words in vs 27 Hesitate, shrank, and shunned..

These words are used because Paul was not scared to preach the difficult doctrines of the Gospel which He knew Men by nature would cavil, reject and criticize and contradict..

Gospel Truths like election and reprobation and Gods Sovereignty therein, i.e

rom 9:

11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger."[d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%209&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28153d)] 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%209&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28154e)]

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,

"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%209&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28156f)] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%209&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28158g)] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'

"[h (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%209&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28161h)] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?

23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory—


The fact of the matter is this, One cannot preach the Gospel if they are not preaching all the counsel of God, even those portions that the natural man cannot believe or accept..

Thats God not only, before the world began, selected a multitude that no man can number to inherit Glory, but that God also selected a multitude of people, perhaps even larger, to inherit shame and eternal destruction..

That God has not only appointed some to obtain salvation but some to wrath..

1 thess 5:9

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

You see that ? Paul says, God has not appointed us to wrath, meaning in contrast to others He has appointed to wrath..which are the vessels of wrath..

chrysostom
October 24th, 2009, 07:48 AM
what does preaching the gospel consist of?

that you are of the elect and others are not?

beloved57
October 24th, 2009, 08:47 AM
Matt 28:


19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Many use this passage to derive a formula for water baptism, but thats not my intention..

But I do know that teaching is prominent in this passage, and the Triunity of the Godhead is set forth, and for that it has soteriological significance..

The disciples were sent to teach, to instruct in doctrine..

One of the Main proponents in salvation doctrine, is that salvation is a joint contrivance of all the sacred persons in the Godhead, according to ancient arrangement of the everlasting covenant.

The Father planned it [ salvation] in this covenant, The Son, The Word Made flesh, engaged to execute it, and the Holy Ghost engaged to render it effectual to all the heirs of promise..Heb 1:

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Knowledge of this everlasting covenant is imperative for God Honoring Gospel preaching..

And God shews this covenant to all the heirs of salvation

ps 25:

14The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.


2 sam 23:5

Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Peter opens up one of His Epistls with the Triunity in Salvation 1 pet 1:


1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

beloved57
October 28th, 2009, 08:00 AM
The Eternal Union of Jesus Christ and His People is Made manifest in time. Jesus Christ as the Living Head of His members was Prophet, King, and Priest unto God in their behalf.. We too, by His redeeming death and blood, are in time made unto God priest and kings per rev 1:

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

We the elect, did not make ourselves kings and priests unto God, not our freewill, or our choice did this or determined this, but this is a spiritual blessing bestowed upon us according to having been chosen in Christ before the foundation..eph 1:

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Again Jesus Christ made us [ the elect] unto Kings and Priests:

rev 5:


9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Now the word made both here and rev 1 6 is the greek word:

poieō which means:
with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion
Amen Jesus Christ through His blood work authors, ,produces, forms us, the elect into what we are, Kings and Priest as He himself is..so its only befitting that the members be images of the Head..

The word made also means:
to be the authors of, the cause
Hence, through His blood, He is the Author, the cause of our Faith..
Certainly a priest of God has Faith in God..
This is because of an Eternal Union the elect had in Jesus Christ before the world began, this is a Gospel Truth..

beloved57
November 24th, 2009, 05:11 AM
oft times when one is asked to define the gospel of Jesus Christ, they get as a response 1 cor 15:

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;


2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Which of course is a scriptural component of the True Gospel, though not understood by most who reference it..

But here too is another important component of the Gospel message, and thats the same gospel as preached by God to Abraham:

Gal 3:

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The promise God gave Abraham " In you shall all the nations be blessed" was the gospel of Jesus Christ:

Gen 12:

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

acts 3:

25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Notice here in the above scripture, peter calls it a covenant and in gal 3:8 its [the promise] is called the gospel..

Now this gospel was preached to Abraham, and given to him to believe, not only before the actual time accomplishments of Jesus Christ, but also before the giving of the law on mt sinai..for we read in romans 4:

11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:


12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15Because the law worketh wrath
: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Now, what God promised Abraham corresponds with what God accomplished through Jesus Christ, which is the fulfillment of the promise to abraham..acts 13:


32And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers [ Abraham],

33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children [children of promise, both jew and gentile], in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Hence, the New testament dispensation is a continuum of Gods faithful dealing with the promise He made to Abraham in the OT gen 12:

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This promise has nothing to do with the law of moses..

From the above perspective. the gentiles also are the seed of Abraham, and the seed of Abraham is Israel, not Israel of the flesh, but Israel of promise..

beloved57
December 5th, 2009, 10:30 AM
rev 13:

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

Look at these words here inspired by the Holy Ghost through His servant John " The lamb slain from the foundation of the world"

This scripture tells us that Jesus Christ blood was shed decretive from the foundation, and actually when Christ died upon the cross in time. The question is, is there any difference in Gods perspective, which is eternal, as to when to declare them not guilty for whom Christ was slain for their sins and in their stead.

That Christ was the lamb slain from before the foundation shows that God in precreation, eternity, did impute the sins of the elect world unto Christ Judicially. Therefore decreatively received by imputation the sins of the elect [ the many brethren] before all creation, and this of course makes certain of the elects existence in time, in order to commit the sins that had been laid upon Jesus Christ. The Father gave all the election of grace unto the Son before the foundation of the world [ see jn 17:2 & heb 2:13]

and so this inevitably meant their existence in time to display His saving grace, this made certain the lives of the elect in time, certain in our natural state..

Paul speaks to this in acts 17:

26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation..

The very fact that Christ came out of heaven to die for sins, is proof positive, that in a real decretive sense, our sins [ the elect] had been imputed unto Him already, again He was slain from the foundation of the world..

This is a Gospel Truth in the lines of 2 tim 1:

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Nick M
December 5th, 2009, 11:44 AM
Feel better now?

God loves B57 more than everybody else.

beloved57
December 5th, 2009, 11:59 AM
God loves B57 more than everybody else.

God Loves His elect and hates the reprobate..So what about Jesus christ being slain from the foundation, I see you by passed a comment on that !

Nick M
December 5th, 2009, 02:27 PM
I have no comment on your corruption, aside from mockery.

beloved57
December 5th, 2009, 11:20 PM
I have no comment on your corruption, aside from mockery.

See ya at the Judgment..:cheers:

beloved57
December 27th, 2009, 07:42 AM
2 tim 1:8-10


8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Paul says that the preaching of the gospel is life unto life and death unto death 2 cor 2:

16To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

What does it mean, life unto life ? That is all that the Father elected, the Son died for and rose, The Holy Ghost sent by and for the Son quickens to life jn 6:

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

The spirit quickens to life all those the Son redeemed from death through His blood, and the gospel calls these quickened ones to belief in their redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ, and in this way the gospel brings to light immortality and life. Spiritual life proceeds the fruits of it, such as faith, repentance or good works. This is one of the purposes of the Gospel, to make manifest those who have been made recipients of or given eternal life..

Jn 3:

36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him

He that is believing on the Son, hath been quickened, and hath eternal life..

Believing in the Son therefore makes manifest that Jesus on your behalf abolished death, all death, even spiritual death..only spiritual death blinds the mind from believing in christ..2 cor 4:


3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not

But this cannot be True of the ones whom Jesus through His death, destroyed the works of the devil for..1 jn 3:8

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Now,if one dies lost in unbelief, its obvious that Jesus Christ did not abolish death and the works of the devil for them.., and consequently, the gospel, instead of bringing immortality and life to light, brings forth condemnation and death..

beloved57
March 25th, 2010, 10:02 PM
2 cor 5:

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Paul in the gospel that He preached, reminds the Corinthians believers, that God was in Christ reconciling the World [ Jew and Gentile Elect] to Himself NOT IMPUTING THEIR TRESPASSES UNTO THEM !

My question is, when was God in Christ doing this ?

Was it while Christ was hanging on the cross, pouring His soul out unto death , when darkness covered the land for those 3 momentous hours ?

Or could it have been before this grand historical event in time ?

What was God the Father doing when He set up His own Son as Mediator from everlasting ?

Prov 8:


22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

When He made the Everlasting Covenant of Grace with Him, in the prospect of having to shed His blood [ heb 13:20] when there took place a council of peace. [ ezk 37:26] whence there was a counsel of peace established.

Was not God then reconciling His chosen ones to Himself, was it not then that His Son was appointed to bear their sins , which in time they would commit ; and then was it not he was reckoned to be the Lord God our Righteousness ? Did not God then transfer those sins of His people, from them to Him, and then impute His righteousness to them ?

Now many will conclude that God merely purposed to do these things, but however, purposing and doing are the same to God. This principle is seen here in rom 4:

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


Besides, this was not a matter of exercising His Might or Ability, but an act of His will [desire]. The Non Imputation of sin and the imputation of righteousness, are not acts of His Power, but His will of desire, therefore His desire not to impute sin, is the non imputation of it, and His will to impute righteousness, is the imputation of it.

beloved57
March 26th, 2010, 07:46 AM
For me to suppose that it was a matter of the everlasting covenant that then, God was reconciling the world [ jn 3:17] to Himself, is not an out of the blue conclusion, for heb 13:19-20 points to the existence of such a covenant, which was later also known as the new covenant, not because it was new, but because of its propriety over the old covenant with Gods national covenant people , isarael of the flesh.

Heb 7 22 speaks of Jesus as being the surety of a better covenant heb 7:

22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament [covenant].

Which Covenant I believe is the everlasting covenant and later called the New Covenant. He is called the Surety of it because when it was made between Him and the Father [ Holy Ghost as witness] from eternity, He then purposed in His heart to draw nigh unto God, to offer of Himself to Him, as the surety of His people, to bear their sins, and fulfill all righteousness in their stead and behalf, and this agreed with the Fathers will, and He was well pleased with Him. The Father was well pleased and accepted Christ as the surety of all the elect [ of all time under both testaments] see ps 40 & heb 10

beloved57
March 26th, 2010, 08:38 PM
Many today have limited the Gospel of Jesus Christ to just those portions of Holy writ that specifically says the gospel i.e 1 cor 15:

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Gal 3:

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed

but that is a mistake, yes those portions are indeed Gospel Truth, but they are not exclusively all that the gospel teaches. The Gospel of Jesus Christ or the Kingdom, is also the doctrinal Truths that we find in books of the bible like romans [chpt 1-11] and Ephesians, the first three chapters, for these are just as much as the gospel of Jesus Christ as 1 cor 15:1-4.

The mistake that many have made is that, they believe those doctrinal truths in those chapters were something new to the recipients, but they were not, for they were actually having the Gospel truths they had heard and received before, reiterated, or rehearsed again.


Thos letters were to strengthen and confirm them in what Gospel Truth they had previously heard.

Acts 14:


21And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,

22Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 18:32

And after he had spent some time there, he departed, and went over all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening all the disciples.

And so that was the reason for many of the letters or epistles, such as eph.

Lets look at eph 1 and see some of the Gospel Truth that Paul preached.

eph 1:


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

The Gospel Paul preached to Ephesus proclaimed : That the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, has chosen a people for Himself.

And secondly, that He chose them before the foundation of the world was laid.

next, That He chose them that they should be Holy and without blame before Him in Love.

Next:


5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, [When He chose us in Him]according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

In these few verses, Paul rehearses His Gospel and states:

Election or being chosen in Christ

The early date of this choice

The goal or purpose of this choice, to be holy and without blame before Him in Love.

The predestination of them chosen, and what they had been predestined to,

And that they had been made accepted to God, in the Beloved.

Now is not that good news ?

Jacob
March 26th, 2010, 09:43 PM
2 Corinthians 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by [fn] His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

Romans 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by [fn] His life.

Romans 5:11 And not only this, but [fn] we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

beloved57
April 8th, 2010, 06:31 AM
rom 8:



29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Paul's gospel he preached declared that there is a People that God foreknew

This word foreknow does not mean fore watch or to fore observe as to what mens actions would be before hand, as if God did not already know them, since He decreed their actions in the first place, but the word denotes an intimacy of knowing.

Its made up of Two greek words: The first is pro which simply means before.

The second is :ginōskō which means:


) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel

a) to become known

2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of

a) to understand

b) to know

3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman

4) to become acquainted with, to know


In the NT ginosko frequently indicates a relation between the person "knowing" and the object known; in this respect, what is "known" is of value or importance to the one who knows, and hence the establishment of the relationship, e.g., especially of God's "knowledge," Cor 8:3, "if any man love God, the same is known of Him;" Gal 4:9, "to be known of God;" here the "knowing" suggests approval and bears the meaning "to be approved;" so in 2Ti 2:19; cp. Jhn 10:14, 27; Gen 18:19; Nah 1:7;

And when we understand the word to be used as to those whom God knows in a approving manner, it is because He knew them intimately because of their relationship with their Head, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Now this type of knowing before is not common to all the sons of men, because as we shall see, Jesus says to some in the day of Judgment, even though they were seemingly committed to His cause and sustained a relationship with Him, He shall yet say to them Matt 7:

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Its the same greek word for know, minus the pro which means before.

Now Jesus says He never knew them, so we know this is not meaning that He never saw their choices or decisions, for remember, He will Judge them for their sins, but He means He never knew them with approval, He never knew them in a intimate relationship as His members and He their head.

Paul writes again about those foreknown among the Jews as being Gods people rom 11:

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

So Paul's Gospel made clear that there was a People foreknew by God, when others were not.

beloved57
July 30th, 2010, 08:00 AM
Matt 25:

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you[ Sheep] from the foundation of the world:

rev 13:

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

It is scriptures like these that informs us that there are a people Justified from Eternity or the foundation before God. A Kingdom has been prepared for them and their names had been written in the lambs book of Life.

Now listen, every God called and sent messenger preaching the Gospel of God, knows this.

Paul knew it from what he wrote here rom 8:

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Those He foreknew were always Justified before Him !

Peter knew it from 1 pet 1:

1 Peter 1


1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


The Apostle John knew it 1 Jn 5:

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Before the elect are born, they have been given Eternal Life in the Son, much like before they were born they had been given physical life in Adam.

And therefore these things [ Justification before God, from the foundation] are foundational Gospel truths to be preached:

2 tim 1:

8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;


9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

What is written in vs 9 comprises the testimony of the Gospel that Paul Preached.

Being in Christ Jesus [according to His own purpose and grace] means Justification, no condemnation ! For there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus rom 8:1

And that would be the entire elect world who did not have their sins imputed unto them 2 cor 5:

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

Thats is the world that Gods eternal Kingdom Kingdom was prepared for Matt 25:34 and its the world that, whose names were written in the lambs book of life rev 13:8

Those of us who know the Truth have been called to witness to it Matt 24:14, and contend for it Jude:

3Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Suffer ridicule for it 2 tim 1:

8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

Until the end !

beloved57
July 30th, 2010, 05:27 PM
I by the grace of God will defend this gospel doctrine. At the outset I must declare that the foundation of Justification before God, is the righteousness of Jesus Christ. His obedience and righteousness declares those He died for righteous / Justified before God:

rom 5:


18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

I already know that many adversaries to this gospel doctrine will vehemently proclaim that the believer is justified by faith, of which I answer, I agree rom 5:1, but its of utmost importance to understand what that means and what it does not mean, lest we find ourselves proclaiming in a subtle fashion, justification by works, which is a damnable heresy.

For satan has been clever in turning the truth into a lie. For his minsters are very well learned in the scripture and ethics and morality 2 cor 11:


14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

perhaps even having attended some of the more reputable bible colleges and seminaries, and have obtained credentials that have won the applause of men.

beloved57
July 30th, 2010, 08:42 PM
As stated earlier, I believe in Justification by Faith, but its important to understand what that is, and what it's not, lest ye be carried away with the error of the wicked.

Now, what Faith is not will be considered.

Faith is not that which causes God to Justify His people. Justification is a pure act of the grace of God, without any motive [free grace] in the ones being justified, therefore it is written:

eph 1:

7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

rom 3:

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

The elect of God had [ though not yet experientially] Justification, redemption, and forgiveness of sins, all these before they were ever converted to Christ, and while they were yet dead in trespasses and sins; thats why its according to the riches of His grace.

Now these spiritual blessings and benefits would not be of Grace, but of works, if our Faith was the cause of our Justification. I say this because Faith is a work or act of ours. Faith is an act of the heart or mind, and technically, if we go by the definition of a work , a act of the mind qualifies.

Lets look at the word works in eph 2:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

It is the greek word:

[I]ergon:

any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

Mind and Heart are the same i.e acts 8:37
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart [soul or mind], thou mayest

also ergon means:

an act, deed, thing done

doing as in rom 2:

7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Faith is well doing, continuing in Faith acts 14:22

Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith

So if one believes they are Justified by faith in that the act of faith is what caused God to Justify them, then they believe in Justification by works, or well doing.

Salvation or Justification is not of works eph 2:8-9, not in any sense of the word.

beloved57
July 31st, 2010, 01:47 PM
The elect are not made Just before God by their own righteousness, but by a righteousness not of their own, as Paul specifies in phil 3:

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Many are deceived into thinking by a misunderstanding of rom 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

They think because of this verse, that God counts their Faith as their righteousness.

But thats fundamental error, because all true believers consider their own righteousness as dung, and the Faith given by God, looks to another for righteousness.

Faith receives the righteousness of another, that being Jesus Christ, as their righteousness, and does not consider their Faith in Christ as righteousness !

The Lord God our Righteousness as per Jer 23:6

In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Jer 33:16

In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

You see, The Gospel reveals to the elect, that their righteousness has been provided for them and to them by Jesus Christ:

rom 1:
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed [to them personally] from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

To every one believing vs 16, a revelation of Jesus Christ was revealed in Him through the gospel.

Much like what Paul says here gal 1:

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

The same word reveal is used here and in rom 1:17

and its the greek word:

apokalyptō and means:

to make known, make manifest, disclose what before was unknown

The Gospel reveals Christ and our Salvation to us, in us.
It reveals to us our Justified state in Christ.
So, Faith cannot be the matter or reason for our Justification, for our righteousness, when it receives a revealed righteousness from another.

beloved57
August 1st, 2010, 03:26 PM
True believers as Paul was here , dismisses anything that can be construed as His own in the momentous matter of Justification: And consequently, Faith itself, though a fruit of the Spirit [gal 5:22] can be considered our own, because it was given to us, hence such scriptures as Hab 2:

4Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

1 jn 5:

4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

So to believe that one is Justified before God by their act of Faith or life of Faith, may not understand it, but you are believing you are Justified by your own righteousness or righteous act.

lucy
August 1st, 2010, 05:23 PM
Your title should read: Preaching MY Gospel!

beloved57
August 1st, 2010, 07:35 PM
Justification is not of works, because if it was, boasting would not be excluded, as scripture declares that it is eph 2:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

And yet Faith is an act and work of ours, for Faith or believing is an act of the mind, and so it cannot be the reason for ones Justification before God.

The elect are Justified by the obedience and death of Jesus Christ, and so not by their Faith or believing.

Paul clearly writes that the elect are Justified by His blood rom 5:

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Now regarding rom 5 19, whether we are sinners or righteous depends not on our own actions but on our inward constitution.

By the fall [of Adam] all the elect received a inner being or nature that is corrupt, and void of original uprightness before God ecc 7:

29Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

The word upright in the hebrew is the word:

yashar and means:

straight, upright, correct, right

a) straight, level
b) right, pleasing, correct
c) straightforward, just, upright, fitting, proper
d) uprightness, righteous, upright
e) that which is upright (subst)

Its also translated righteous as in prov 3:

32For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.

BTW, this is why I believe that Adam was an elect, because He was made righteous and upright.

And that is why Christ was revealed to Him immediately after the Fall.

But back to the point, by the fall Adam and His posterity received a corrupt nature, a nature that is born under the operation of satan and his kingdom of darkness, it is also the same nature that the non elect [the devils seed] comes into this life with, so we are by nature [depraved nature] children of wrath even as others [ The others means the none elect, the seed of the serpent] we have the same nature as they when we are born. eph 2:


2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Does that sound like freewill ?

We are not sinners because we sin, but we sin because we are sinners, born sinners, constituted sinners.

Now get this , for it does not matter while we are in nature, if we do that which is good or that which is evil [ from the worlds standards] all is evil before God [Gen 6:5], because we are still constituted sinners before God.

The prophet said this of his righteousness by nature Isa 64:

6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

This is because of our constitution more so than our actions, for a corrupt tree just cannot bring forth good fruit. see matt 7

This means living a decent moral and upright life [ from mens standards] and without being a new creation, this is still a wicked, sinful life before God, void of any righteousness, because the actions of that life style proceed from a corrupt nature, being born only of corruptible seed of adam 1 pet 1:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed [Adam], but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Now this living reality is because of one mans sin or disobedience, Adam

beloved57
August 1st, 2010, 09:06 PM
More on rom 5 :

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Now in contrast , the obedience of Christ constitutes the elect righteous, all for whom Christ represented in His obedience will be constituted righteous [given a new nature], for they will some time in their life be born of a incorruptible seed, of which the second Adam was the Head 1 pet 1:

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

All for whom Christ died, will receive [as all for whom Adam died received a corrupt nature] a New Nature, a New Principal of Holiness, a righteous nature [ 2 pet 1:3-4], a Nature that cannot sin as in 1 jn 3:

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

A Nature that cannot sin, nor can it be corrupted.

Now understand this, it was not a matter of freewill choice as to whether or not [ because of Adam's sin] we receive a sinful nature, we are born with it, and likewise, it is not a matter of freewill choice that we receive a righteous nature, we are born again with it. Both are the end results of the disobedience of one, and the obedience of one [rom 5:19].

So in stating these things, Justification before God is not by reason of our Faith but by reason and consequence of Christ obedience unto death. phil 2:

8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

beloved57
August 3rd, 2010, 08:43 AM
Justification from the Foundation of the world is a Gospel Truth !
Up to this point I have been showing from scripture why Justification before God from the foundation must be true , by showing that the elect are not Justified before God because of their Faith.

Now I will begin to show those scripture truths or principles that positively set eternal Justification or Justification from the foundation in full view.


The First thing to understand is that Justification is a sole act of God, period !

rom 8:33

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Folks, it is as simple as that, It is God that Justifieth.

God it Eternal, the one performing this act, hence Justification is an immanent and necessarily an Eternal act of God.

Nothing that God does, finds it's accomplishment and reality in His Eternal perspective dependent upon time or in time.

This principle is set forth in Paul's teaching here rom 4:

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God's Justification of the elect, though not yet experienced by them in time, is true in eternity in Gods present.

Now, Abraham was not yet literally in time from a experimental, subjective perspective, a Father yet, because He was Childless, but from Gods perspective, he was a Father, because God said so and How God viewed him.

And thats the principal here, The elect , being Justified by God, was so, because He said so in His own Mind, which is guided innately by a Eternal Perspective.

What do I mean by a immanent act ? The word means, a mental act performed entirely within the Mind:

"a cognition is an immanent act of mind"

In its adverbial form it means:

In a constant, continuous, changeless, continual or incessant manner

So by Justification being as such from a Eternal God, who but cannot view any of His innate acts but from a Eternal Perspective,

Then secondly, The elect [rom 8:33] were by God considered and viewed in Christ from everlasting, or before the world began.

Now, was this view of them as condemned, or as Justified ?

beloved57
August 5th, 2010, 02:36 AM
Then secondly, The elect [rom 8:33] were by God considered and viewed in Christ from everlasting, or before the world began.

Now, was this view of them as condemned, or as Justified ?

Thats why its written in the 103 rd psalm this:

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice from everlasting ! Gods mercy [ to those fearing Him presently] is from everlasting, meaning, as paul writes in rom 9:

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

That is from everlasting, God had designs of mercy for the vessels of mercy, He had afore [from everlasting] prepared.

Now, can such ones as this, not have been Justified before God, for His great mercy's sake ? Where such ones ever under His condemnation ?

Folks, I cannot find a scripture that would support the elect being ever under Gods condemnation, and His mercy at the same time.

Its [ God's Mercy] is upon them from everlasting, yes, even in time, when they are born dead in trespasses and sins, God's Mercy is upon them, and it is by this mercy, they are quickened into new life and become a New Creation.

eph 2:


4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Thats right, according to that mercy upon us from everlasting... according to it, He both quickened and saved [regenerated ] us.

beloved57
August 6th, 2010, 05:02 AM
These persons, who were objects of the everlasting love and mercy of God, He had determined to save and punish them for their sins, so in essence, He never appointed them to wrath [condemnation], but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ 1 thess 5:9; and those God did not appoint to wrath are those He did not impute sin to 2 cor 5:

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

rom 4:

7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Where there is no sin imputed, there is Justification ! Blessed are they whom it is true of.

Moreover, those whom no sin was imputed unto, they were chosen by Him to obtain salvation, [by the instrumental means of] A Sovereign work of the Spirit] sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth see 2 thess 2:13.

For the Truth sets them free [ Jn 8:32]. Now as many as are of this everlasting appointment, sin not imputed unto them, they have believed, or do believe or shall believe Jn 17:20, as many as had been appointed to eternal life acts 13:

48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Those here in acts 13 :48, had been prepared by the Sovereign work of the Spirit as in 2 thess 2:13

All this results from Gods eternal purpose for them 2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And nothing they did in time.

beloved57
August 6th, 2010, 08:51 AM
Now in order to secure their [ eternally Justified] salvation in time and glory herafter, God the Father determined by His own counsel, He proposed to the Son [in the everlasting covenant] that He should become like unto His Brethren [ heb 2:16-17] and in the likeness of their flesh [rom 8:3], suffer for their [His brethren, not every individual in the world] iniquities, and obey the Holy Law of God for them, in order that, The Father s's Honor and Justice may be vindicated, and His rich mercy and Grace be put on display, for each chosen vessel of mercy Christ represented. In Christ's willingness in this proposed plan and pact, we hear Him thusly " Lo I come, I delight to do thy will O God".

The Mediator addresses Him as God, proving that He was acting in a covenant capacity. Now upon Christ consenting and performing His engagement, His work, the Father promised Him a Glorious reward and return, Hence after suffering and dying, He entered into His Glory lk 24:26

Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

God the Father promised Him [ The Son] in His engagement, that He would not fail or be discouraged, which strengthened Christ and gave Him Divine Assistance, throughout His work.

Isa 42:4

He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

The Isles shall wait for His Law, or His Gospel, for many of them will be made to believe in Him, as a result of His work.

Remenber Paul says of them, when turning from the jews, He states:

acts 28:28

Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.


Why ? Because they are the other Sheep that will hear His voice that are not of the jewish fold Jn 10:

16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Paul here in acts 28:28 is referring to the same thing Jesus is in Jn 10:16

God promised Him that His People will be made willing in the Day of His Power ps 110:

1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


2The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever
after the order of Melchizedek.

Thats why the resurrected Christ told His disciples to go preach the gospel in all the world , because Matt 28:

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

He was now in the Day of His power, His Mediatorial Power, and by His merits, His chosen People will be made willing.

So God promised Him the satisfaction of seeing His seed converted unto Him, for His reward isa 53:

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

As David said, so is it doubly true for His Lord ps 51:

13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

beloved57
August 7th, 2010, 03:42 AM
The elect were eternally Justified before God because they were blest with all spiritual blessings in Christ before the foundation, and if this is true, so they were blest with Justification !

eph 1:


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now, there is no experiential, subjective Justification for the elect until after they have born again in time, but , that is sure to come because of what they have been given in Christ before the foundation.

Another scripture that confirms this Truth is 2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Notice that grace was given us [ the chosen] when ? Before the world began !

Its this grace we were Justified before God by. Titus 3:

7That being justified by his grace [Given before the world began], we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

God Loved us the elect from eternity in Christ, and made us accepted in Him eph 1:

6To the praise of the glory of his grace [Given us before the world began], wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

The elect were not accepted [in Christ] by their Faith nor their repentance in time.

This again proves eternal justification.

beloved57
August 7th, 2010, 01:40 PM
Heb 7:

22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament or covenant.

Heb 13:

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

When was Jesus setup as the surety of the verlasting covenant ? Why from everlasting, Mic 5:

2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Prov 8:


22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

When Christ, as a surety, pledged for the elect, they were Justified, that is at the very same time in eternity, before the world began, and the sins of His church was imputed to Him and not to them, that was the remission of their sins, and made them Just and righteous, they were in the mind of God actively Justified..

2 cor 5:

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

I believe the above took place in the eternal counsel of God, when Christ agreed to the surety of the elect world , the church.

More scripture proof, that the elect were Justified from everlasting.

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beloved57
August 8th, 2010, 06:21 PM
From all eternity God decreed not to punish sin in His elect people, but in His Son. His eternal purpose to punish sin in Jesus christ [ the lamb slain from the foundation] that obviously included His will not to punish sin in the chosen, that is their Justification from all sin in His sight.

patricius79
August 8th, 2010, 07:30 PM
From all eternity God decreed not to punish sin in His elect people, but in His Son. His eternal purpose to punish sin in Jesus christ [ the lamb slain from the foundation] that obviously included His will not to punish sin in the chosen, that is their Justification from all sin in His sight.

I agree with Romans 8:28,29,30 and similar.

It should be made clear to people also that God the Son has expiated the sins of "the whole world" (1 Jn 2:2).

That is why people can be saved if they will submit to God's righteousness. Cf. Rom 10:3.

In this way they can have the peace and joy of love that God intended for everyone

beloved57
August 10th, 2010, 10:24 AM
rom 3:

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The gospel through being preached by God called men establishes the law, in that it informs us, that God will write His Laws in the Hearts of His chosen people [heb 8:10], that He will impart a principle of holiness and obedience [ ezk 36:26-27] agreeable and conformable to the nature of His Laws.

The gospel [ to the saved] furnishes us with the gracious motives and powerful influence for the practice of good works, those motives being from the knowledge of the free forgiveness of our sins, our acceptance in Christ, His imputed righteousness, and a entitlement to life eternal.

eph 1:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

In this way, the Gospel establishes the Law !

beloved57
August 11th, 2010, 10:54 AM
acts 20:

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

The gospel of the grace of God declares, makes known the eternal purposes of Grace to those given grace in Christ Jesus before the world began ! 2 tim 1:


8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

So its no doubt that Paul's testimony of the Gospel of Gods grace in acts 20:24

centered in the eternal divine purpose of Grace given [the elect] in Christ before the world began. 2 tim 1:9..

beloved57
August 22nd, 2010, 10:45 PM
Whats preached now a days as the gospel, is nothing but the doctrines and traditions of men. It is no gospel in telling people what they must and can do or be damned for non compliance. To mandate dead sinners to repent and believe the gospe to get saved implies that they have the ability to do so, [ a denial of total inability, dead in sin] and that they will be rewarded with if they do with life eternal.

Whereas the True Gospel proclaims a Risen Saviour, exalted to be a Prince and a Saviour, without conditionally requiring repentance, but to give repentance to Israel [ Gods Chosen] and the forgiveness of sins. acts 5:

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

The True gospel reveals to us that are His people, that it is the exclusive work of the Risen Christ, now on His Mediator Throne and High Priest function, to give [ not offer] repentance as it is to give forgiveness of sins.

The word repentance is the greek word
metanoia :

a change of mind,

The Truth therefore is that the risen Christ gives His chosen [Israel] a change of mind.

Now, how many preach this good news today ? For Peter sure preached it, and we know of a surety He is called of God. And He found out later that the Israel / Chosen that The Saviour gives repentance to includes gentiles too. acts 11:

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

He hath also to the gentiles granted a change of mind unto life !

patricius79
August 26th, 2010, 10:55 AM
rom 3:

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The gospel through being preached by God called men establishes the law, in that it informs us, that God will write His Laws in the Hearts of His chosen people [heb 8:10], that He will impart a principle of holiness and obedience [ ezk 36:26-27] agreeable and conformable to the nature of His Laws.

The gospel [ to the saved] furnishes us with the gracious motives and powerful influence for the practice of good works, those motives being from the knowledge of the free forgiveness of our sins, our acceptance in Christ, His imputed righteousness, and a entitlement to life eternal.

eph 1:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

In this way, the Gospel establishes the Law !

Amen.

beloved57
August 27th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Who is the Gospel Preached to ? Truly the Gospel is preached to everyone that God sees fit to hear it, but His purpose for them hearing it is different, for different classes of people. For some He wants it to be life unto life, and for some He wants to hear it for death unto death per 2 cor 2:

14Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.


15For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

But I want to zero in on those for whom it was designed by God to be a good news for, life unto life !

Lets see how scripture Illustrates and gives meaning to the gospel. We shall compare Isa 61 1 with lk 4 18

isa 611The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

lk 4:

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Now we can see what the prophet called good tidings, Jesus calls the gospel, and both Our Lord and the Prophet tell us who these gospel tidings are specifically preached to. The Prophet says that the good tidings are to the meek, and Jesus says to the poor !

I believe the meek and the poor are the same. Lets look for a moment at what Jesus says about the poor, which I believe is what is in view here Matt 5:

3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Notice poor in Spirit, this is not speaking about financially poor, though financially poor people can be poor in Spirit.

The promise to these poor is the Kingdom of Heaven ! James says of them James 2:5

Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?


This poor is a chosen people, and they are chosen to Faith. They have been alloted precious Faith to them by God and their Saviour Jesus Christ 2 pet 1:

1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

The poor in Spirit are those whom God makes them feel their moral and spiritual bankruptcy.

Many are poor, but don't know it as in rev 3:

17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

But, thats why Jesus says blessed are them who are [feelingly so] poor in spirit.

Thats why they are blessed, because they are not like those who are poor and think themselves rich, but they are knowingly and experientially poor in Spirit, and to them belongs the Kingdom of Heaven.

And it is God who maketh poor ! 1 sam 2:


6The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

7The LORD maketh poor,

Only God the Holy Spirit can make one feel poor in Spirit, for He convinces the heirs of salvation of their sin !

In line with this, Jesus says He was sent to heal the brokenhearted ! The word here is the greek word:

break, to break in pieces, shiver

2) to tread down

a) to put Satan under foot and (as a conqueror) trample on him

b) to break down, crush

1) to tear one's body and shatter one's strength

To heal those who have been made to feel that they are without strength as per

rom 5:

6For when we [Gods chosen] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

The mighty freewillers never feel themselves in this condition, for after all, they have freewill like God does, after all they were made in His Image and likeness, and hence, surely God never feels like He is without strength, without ability.

The word without strength means to be impotent as in acts 4:

9If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;

One of our english dictionaries define impotent as :

[Adjective] Weak; feeble; wanting strength or power; unable by nature, or disabled by disease or accident to perform any act.

But Jesus came to heal the brokenhearted, for by His stripes we are healed Isa 53:

5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Yes His stripes effect for all that he died for, a spiritual healing, it is then, when the healing is applied by the Holy Ghost, that we can perform or act, we can repent or we can believe, but only after the healing virtues of the blood is applied to us by regenerating us , giving us new spiritual life.

The gospel is good news to such ! God sends His Gospel as good news to the poor in spirit, the brokenhearted, those who feel weak, and without strength, impotent..

That would leave out those who have their mighty freewill !

beloved57
September 3rd, 2010, 07:58 AM
We are looking at scripture and its Illustration as to who the Gospel is preached to, this is the testimony of Jesus Christ himself, who should know better than he ?

Lk 4:

17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,


18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Now we have looked a little at the fact, that the gospel is preached by the Anointed Christ, to everyone ? No sir, but to the poor !

Not offer them the gospel, not make it available to them, but He preached it to them, it was good news to them, for they came to know that the kingdom of heaven was theirs Matt 5:

3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Oh, did not one of the dying thieves alongside Jesus become poor in Spirit, and did he not hear the blessed good news, that he would inherit the kingdom of heaven !

lk 23:


40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Now was not that good news to this poor sinner ? He had done nothing to earn it, just rebuking his thief friend, and asking Jesus to remember him, did not earn him a right to the kingdom of heaven. For the kingdom was prepared for him before the foundation Matt 25:

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father,inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

No, the thief was just blessed of the Father ! Those in the above scripture, who were blessed of the Father, the word blessed in the greek is in the perfect tense, they were once and for all blessed in the past, with results into the present and future. What was the past ? The past would be from the foundation, when the kingdom was prepared for them.

So, the poor in Spirit have been decreed to be the poor in Spirit to whom the Kingdom of heaven belongs.

For God knew who He prepared the Kingdom for, and their names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.

beloved57
October 5th, 2010, 06:56 PM
The word Gospel has its root in "Christ before the foundation of the world", being in the Promise that God made before the world began per Titus 1:

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

The word gospel is the greek word:

euaggelion:


a reward for good tidings

2) good tidings

a) the glad tidings of the kingdom of God soon to be set up, and subsequently also of Jesus the Messiah, the founder of this kingdom. After the death of Christ, the term comprises also the preaching of (concerning) Jesus Christ as having suffered death on the cross to procure eternal salvation for the men in the kingdom of God, but as restored to life and exalted to the right hand of God in heaven, thence to return in majesty to consummate the kingdom of God

b) the glad tidings of salvation through Christ

c) the proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged in Christ

Notice, the proclamation of the Grace of God Pledged in Christ !

The Good News[Gospel] is the announcement of the promised Mercy !

Christ is the promise mercy performed ! Lk 1:

68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

The Holy Covenant is the Everlasting Covenant, being revealed to Gods elect, Adam and Eve and Abraham and ect..

The Gospel is premised on that Eternal Covenant with The Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, His Son, and Promised Eternal Life to Him and to His Seed in Him.

1 jn 2:5

And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1 jn 5:11

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

beloved57
October 6th, 2010, 03:00 AM
As I have been demonstrating recently in this thread in Isa 61:1-3 is the proclamation of the Gospel and its Promises being fulfilled by The Promised Mercy, Jesus Christ Himself and His recipients of the Gospel isa 61:

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Notice, no conditions for those being blessed , to be fulfilled by them, but only the proclamation and the fulfillment of Promises unto them !

All these promises being fulfilled and applied to the children of Zion [ the elect] intimate the accomplishments of the finished redemption in Christ !

For it is by His stripes they are healed Isa 53:5 & 1 pet 2:24.

And in the proclamation of this Gospel, this Good News, there is no indication at all of this being a mere offer of salvation or grace, but is a proclaiming of and application of the promised mercies !

When Jesus proclaimed such statements as " If any man thirst, let him come unto me and drink" [ Jn 7:37] He was no more inviting, than He invited the Light when He said, Let there be Light.

No one can in and of themselves thirst for the Living waters which Christ giveth !

Jn 4:

13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

This thirsting is a Kingdom and spiritual blessing Matt 5:

6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Only those who are quickened into new spiritual life have such a thirst, as Jesus meant in Jn 7:37 !

His words come unto me are spirit and life unto whomsoever He wills !

Jn 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jn 5:21

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Jesus words are spirit and they are life, and only His Sheep are given to hear them, they know His voice and follow or come to Him, they have no desire nor power to resist their loving shepherd.

The calling of the saints is never intimated in scripture to be a offer , but a demonstration of the effectual working of Gods grace and power, calling His own out of darkness into His marvelous light.

beloved57
October 8th, 2010, 02:44 PM
The Bible Doctrine of Election, a Gospel Truth rom 11:

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

rom 9:

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

This Gospel doctrine centers around the Truth that all the Heirs of God or Salvation were chosen by Him in Christ Jesus, before the foundation of the world, And as the Elect of God, they were all known, loved, and chosen in Christ, before they where born either of flesh and blood heb 2:14, or of the Spirit Jn 3

Notice in heb 2 14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

This intimates they were children before partaking of flesh and blood.

Just as God called Jacob and Easu Children before they came in flesh and blood rom 9:

11(For the children being not yet born,

You see, they were children, though not yet born !

So the Church, Christ Body,as chosen in Him, were in a eternal vital union with their Glorious Head before Adam was ever fashioned out of the dust, for the Churches life was his with Christ in God.

Col 1:


17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning

In the beginning, before all things created, even Adam, He was the Head of the Body, the Church !

Also col 3:

3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

This comes from being chosen in and adopted[as Sons or children] in Christ before the world began !

This is Gospel Truth !

beloved57
October 8th, 2010, 07:44 PM
So the Church, Christ Body,as chosen in Him, were in a eternal vital union with their Glorious Head before Adam was ever fashioned out of the dust, for the Churches life was his with Christ in God.

Col 1:


17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning

In the beginning, before all things created, even Adam, He was the Head of the Body, the Church !

Also col 3:

3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

This comes from being chosen in and adopted[as Sons or children] in Christ before the world began !

Lets compare scripture on this Truth 1 jn 5:

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

It should not be doubted by those taught of God, to believe that God the Father hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings [in time] in heavenly places in Christ [eph 2:6] according [ in agreement with] as He hath chosen us in Christ before the foundation of the world eph 1:3-4. Being appointed, predestined, and ordained, that all those thusly chosen, should in fulness of the dispensation of times, be personally developed as Children of the Flesh [ Adam] by a natural generation; and then afterwords by a spiritual generation or birth to be manifested as the children of God or seed of Christ !

beloved57
December 5th, 2010, 01:51 AM
What the Gospel is !

The basic premise of the gospel is not a Offer , but the Good News, that Jesus, the God Man has come to save His People from their sins Matt 1:


21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

The heart of this Gospel is the cross of Christ, His Taking on the seed of Abraham [heb 2:16] with their salvation in view, which are Gods elect out of Mankind, a people not mainly in National Israel but out of all Nations. Gen 17:


5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

To teach that the gospel is an offer to all for its acceptance or rejection, is saying that the cross of Christ had no definite end in view with definite effects and accomplishments. That it [The cross] did not ensure or procure the salvation of anyone, but only made it [salvation ] possible for all without exception, which concept is false, it is based upon a faulty understanding of what the atonement is and accomplished ! They teach that the cross of Christ had no definite achievement, beyond only making salvation possible :( !

To preach the Gospel in a way that deprives the cross of its achievement for Gods elect, through Christ, is a False Gospel.

Mk 16:


15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, andpreach the gospel to every creature.

Lets for a moment look at the word preach ! It is here in mk 16:15 the greek word kerysso:

to be a herald, to officiate as a herald

a) to proclaim after the manner of a herald

b) always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed

2) to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done

3) used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other
Christian teachers

This is important, because as we see its definition, not once is it implied or said that Preaching is an offer.

It is the announcement of what Has been done ! Its either believed or not.

Now to preach the gospel to every creature does not even suggest by a long shot that salvation is being made possible for all, but rather means the saving effects of the cross extends beyond the people of the jews unto the gentiles, and that the elect cannot be outwardly distinguished from the non elect, especially when the elect are still unregenerated. The intention however of the True Gospel Preacher is to be used of God in the calling forth of the elect of God to conversion and fellowship into the Gospel..phil 1:5

For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;

This end Paul had in mind and understood by what he stated here 2 tim 2:


10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they [The elect] may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

What can be more plainer than this, that Paul understood the salvation of Christ Jesus to be for the elect !!

This verse definitely proves that Paul believed salvation was for Gods elect, and Preached it that way..

SovereigntyIsGods
December 5th, 2010, 10:06 PM
~*~*~

If its 'gospel' its good news for all :)

Not that God has pre-ordained and chosen a special selection of souls to be 'disenfranchised' for all eternity.



pj

If you believed it would be Great News for you.

beloved57
December 5th, 2010, 11:28 PM
The Myth of the Gospel being a Offer to all for its acceptance or rejection is a denial of the doctrine of mans total inability spiritually !

The practice of offering the Gospel to the unsaved is implying they have the ability to exercise a Faith that saves, before being saved by regeneration and the renewal of the Holy Ghost as per Titus 3:


5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Hence, there must be a saving work of mercy performed on us by the Holy Ghost, before we can perform any spiritual activity or movement, to deny this is a denial of our native spiritual inability and to place mans effort over Spiritual God given Faith by the renewal of the Holy Ghost.. For Faith is a Fruit of the Spirit gal 5:

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

The gospel being a offer to one and all in order to get saved, is a repudiation of the need of God's regenerating Grace of the Spirit. If men could believe without this, then what need is it to believe through Grace as per acts 18:


27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much[B] which had believed through grace:

The whole of Salvation by Grace through Faith is the gracious Gift of God...

The Gospel message in its God Honoring Doctrines can only be received favorably by those who have been born spiritually, and can spiritually discern its Truth..and its not offered to them, but proclaimed to them..

beloved57
December 24th, 2010, 09:00 AM
Matt 22:


1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

What we have here is Jesus in parable form describing the general preaching of the Gospel, and of course we know that it was first preached to the nation of Israel, but to later be proclaimed throughout the world..

The King represents God the Father, The Kings Son is Jesus Christ, and the marriage announcement is the external preaching of the Gospel, and the bride is the church, the elect of God, those who were given to the Son [ jn 6:37-39,44] before the world began by the Father.

So the Gospel message proclaims or sets forth the Marriage Union between Christ the Son and His Church, the Chosen Bride, it proclaims the great Truths of the Everlasting Covenant.

Now it is in this way the Gospel is freely proclaimed to all who come within its proclamation, and all should believe its Truths and facts and fear God for the same. Not to do so is treating the heavenly message and its Author with contempt and making His record of His Son to be a Lie.

1 jn 5:

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You see John the Baptist knew that it was not all in national Israel Jesus came to save from sin, but the remnant of them that belonged to His Bride, lets look at Jn 3:


29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. cp Matt 9:

15And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.



Jesus was the Bridegroom, and He knew His Bride !

Now If John in jn 3 29 is referring to Jesus Christ as the bridegroom, then eph 5 is applicable vs :


25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

also rev 19:


7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

So, the general preaching of the Gospel is to set forth the marriage of the Son, and who His Bride is. His Bride is a very particular Bride, not all of humanity, but a select Bride, by the Father.

Thats why Jesus told the multitudes, Jn 6:

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

They have to be of the Chosen Bride, Chosen in Him , as Eve was in Adam, before the foundation of the world...

beloved57
January 10th, 2011, 04:56 AM
Acts 20:


24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Men really hate this Gospel, the Gospel of the Grace of God, because it is opposed to our pride and ego by nature, and our natural way of thinking about salvation !

The Apostle Paul places a strong emphasis on the Grace of God and its superior role in the salvation of certain sinners, elect sinners as pointed out in rom 11:

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And it does not matter if Paul here is referring to elect jews in israel, because the same grace saves jew or gentile as stated here acts 15:


11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. That would be the same election of grace..

Election of Grace is mentioned again by Paul here in eph 2:

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: The Faith is part of the grace..for we believe or have Faith through grace acts 18:

27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Not believed by freewill or mans choice, but by means of Grace..

Paul teaches that we are Justified by Grace Titus 3:

7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

And this is that Justifying grace which brings salvation to all elect men..Titus 2:

11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

titus 1:

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

Most people forget that titus 2:11 applies to those in titus 1:1..

Now we make these points about Grace because Paul also teaches that Chronologically the Grace of God that does these things antedates all of God's dealings with man in grace in time and is the basis of His dealings with us in time in mercy !

2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

ps 103:

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice that the stedfast Love [Mercy] of Jehovah is from everlasting not to all, but unto them that are fearing Him in time ! So this Mercy or stedfast love was upon them before time, and before they actually actually and experientially feared God, for none of us are born with the fear of God already in our hearts, but are as others, by nature children of wrath. We all by nature have no fear of God before our eyes as stated here rom 3:

18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

But we all walk as stated here eph 2:

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

But God had mercy upon us from everlasting, and according to that mercy He saves us in time by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost and are given a new Heart by this, a Heart that fears God..

Titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

ezk 36:

24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jer 32:

39And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

All this was done according to Divine Purpose and Grace given us in Christ before the world began.

So Paul wrote of salvation and calling as past facts in His and other believers experience, but He owned that ground of the saving, was of Gods Grace given before times eternal...

beloved57
January 10th, 2011, 05:00 PM
The Gospel of the Grace of God !

There must be in any teaching of the Gospel of the Grace of God, that it is the special favor which God has had for His elect from eternity past, and that is what motivates Him to do all that He has done for the everlasting good of those whom He has given to Jesus Christ in the covenant of grace.

This Grace works for us before our actual realization as the text 2 tim 1:9 indicates. It is antecedent to human existence, for it dates from everlasting and reaches to eternity and will be displayed in the ages to come eph 2:

7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

That is grace has reigned in eternity past in His contriving the plan, and also in time in executing it upon its favored subjects and will continue to rein to its consummation in Glory, and then to be marveled and adored. It is from everlasting to everlasting, so it reigned in our election, redemption, regeneration, Call and Justification, and sanctification, and will reign in our preservation, resurrection or rapture and final glorification..

beloved57
January 11th, 2011, 08:21 AM
That God delt with specific individuals before time began in a way of Grace is seen by the fact that some had their names written in the book of life from the foundation of the world per rev 17:


8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

This statement certainly implies the opposite truth, that there were some names [ Individuals] recored ed before time ! Here are a few more references to this Eternal inscribing:

Lk 10:

20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

phil 4:

3And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

heb 12:

23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Note, many of the church of the firstborn had not even been born yet when the writer wrote this epistle, but nevertheless, they are still written in heaven..

The word written here is in the perfect tense too, meaning, even those who were yet to be born in the future whose names are written in heaven, had them so in the past once and for all time..

Rev 3:

5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Far from this verse indicating that its possible for one whose written in the book of life being erased out, but to the contrary, it confirms all the more that because of their interest in Christ and His death and righteousness imputed to them, they have no danger of ever being lost..

They are the very ones God the Father gave unto Him to save jn 6:

39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

And those very ones He will yet confess their names before the Father, that He lost not one of them..

These things are to be proclaimed in the Gospel of God's Grace..

thewordofgod
January 11th, 2011, 08:33 AM
So the Church, Christ Body,as chosen in Him, were in a eternal vital union with their Glorious Head before Adam was ever fashioned out of the dust, for the Churches life was his with Christ in God.

Col 1:


17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning

In the beginning, before all things created, even Adam, He was the Head of the Body, the Church !

Also col 3:

3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

This comes from being chosen in and adopted[as Sons or children] in Christ before the world began !

Lets compare scripture on this Truth 1 jn 5:

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

It should not be doubted by those taught of God, to believe that God the Father hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings [in time] in heavenly places in Christ [eph 2:6] according [ in agreement with] as He hath chosen us in Christ before the foundation of the world eph 1:3-4. Being appointed, predestined, and ordained, that all those thusly chosen, should in fulness of the dispensation of times, be personally developed as Children of the Flesh [ Adam] by a natural generation; and then afterwords by a spiritual generation or birth to be manifested as the children of God or seed of Christ !

The only problem you have is that no Christians have ever been sinless saints. You need to use all the scriptures so you can get a good understanding of the truth. You also need to read Amos 8:9-11 to see that there was a famine of the word in the end times that started after the Roman government killed all the true saints.

Ephesians 1:
3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
4: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.
5: He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

Romans 8:
28: We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose
29: For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.
30: And those whom he predestined he also called and those whom he called; he also justified; and those whom he justified; he also glorified.

1 John 1
9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:
3: And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4: He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
29: If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that every one who does right is born of him.

1 John 3:
6: No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him.
9: No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

1 John 5:
2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
18: We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

Galations 5:
24: And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

beloved57
January 11th, 2011, 09:45 AM
theword:


The only problem you have is that no Christians have ever been sinless saints.

You are off subject compltely..

beloved57
January 11th, 2011, 02:11 PM
The Gospel of the Grace of God !

The antecedent Grace of God before our existence is seen in God choosing us in Christ before the foundation of the world as per eph 1:


4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This was before and includes this statement here in deut 7:

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Note: God was not speaking to all the ethnic jews there, but to the remnant that was chosen in Christ [eph 1:4] for God has no Love for a people outside of Christ Jesus..

Some of the jews had been chosen in Christ, but many were Just called to be in the physical nation , so many were called but few were chosen before time began.. Also this choosing and grace that is active before time to certain individuals is not based upon any foreseen actions or merit of the ones Chosen, verified by rom 9:

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

They did not exist and they had did no activity...

thewordofgod
January 11th, 2011, 02:23 PM
theword:



You are off subject compltely..

I'm right on the money my friend. You're the one avoiding the truth.

thewordofgod
January 11th, 2011, 02:26 PM
The Gospel of the Grace of God !

The antecedent Grace of God before our existence is seen in God choosing us in Christ before the foundation of the world as per eph 1:


4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This was before and includes this statement here in deut 7:

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Note: God was not speaking to all the ethnic jews there, but to the remnant that was chosen in Christ [eph 1:4] for God has no Love for a people outside of Christ Jesus..

Some of the jews had been chosen in Christ, but many were Just called to be in the physical nation , so many were called but few were chosen before time began.. Also this choosing and grace that is active before time to certain individuals is not based upon any foreseen actions or merit of the ones Chosen, verified by rom 9:

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

They did not exist and they had did no activity...

You have no understanding of the spiritual things at all. You need to stop teaching your own interpretations. God is the only one who can interpret scriptures and everything I've shown you is directly from God.

All these scriptures are about the spiritual kingdom of the saints, Jesus and prophets called the Word. This Word used our flesh to speak through and I'm the last saint to exist on this earth for the only reason to end this age.

beloved57
January 11th, 2011, 03:25 PM
theword:


You have no understanding of the spiritual things at all.

You will be held accountable for these Truthes I am witnessing to..it does not matter you cannot understand them..

beloved57
January 11th, 2011, 03:26 PM
I'm right on the money my friend. You're the one avoiding the truth.

You as many others are deceived..

thewordofgod
January 11th, 2011, 03:51 PM
theword:



You will be held accountable for these Truthes I am witnessing to..it does not matter you cannot understand them..

You're speaking from the wrong perspective. You need to switch over to a sinner's point of view and then you'll be seeing these scriptures in the right context.

beloved57
January 11th, 2011, 03:58 PM
thew


You're speaking from the wrong perspective.

No, you will be held accountable for all this Truth you reject..

thewordofgod
January 11th, 2011, 04:00 PM
thew



No, you will be held accountable for all this Truth you reject..

What truth could possibly come from a sinner who pretends his interpretations of the scriptures are from God.

beloved57
January 11th, 2011, 10:23 PM
thew


What truth

The Truth I am preaching, you will be held accountable for it. Also you are being held accountable for the false witnessing you are doing..see ya at the judgment..

beloved57
January 11th, 2011, 10:40 PM
The Gospel of the Grace of God !

Some of the jews had been chosen in Christ, but many were Just called to be in the physical nation , so many were called but few were chosen before time began.. Also this choosing and grace that is active before time to certain individuals is not based upon any foreseen actions or merit of the ones Chosen, verified by rom 9:

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth).

They did not exist and they had did no activity...

Now this scripture rom 9:11 has been most hated and twisted to erase its obvious and natural meaning. Paul here speaks of the purpose of God as in eph 1; the election here is of individuals as it is in eph 1. Now even though Jacobs individual election effects the National election of Israel, this none the less does not take away from from the primary elective principal of an individual which is in view in rom 9:11. Election Paul teaches is on the sole basis of God's Eternal Purpose in Christ as in eph 1 and not any foreseen actions or merit, for it was for this error that rom 9 11 was written, to contend against the ideal that some foreseen action or merit or faith was the cause of election, for if such was the case, that election was premised on foreseen faith or merit, then salvation would be by works..

beloved57
January 12th, 2011, 04:40 AM
The bible teaches antecedent grace in another specific eternal truth, that of some having been predestinated unto the conformity of the image of God's Son, that He may be the Firstborn of many brethren rom 8:

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This scripture too has been wrested by the adversary, by those calling themselves believers in Christ, though they quote the scripture properly, there interpretation goes against the True meaning. They make it read as what God foresaw, that He foreknew who would believe in Christ in time, so He predestinated them before time, which nonsense gives a finite creature control over the actions of a Infinite Being and Sovereign, that finite is causative of infinite action, man has the precedence over God, and makes Faith which is a what, and not a whom, that which was foreknown; whereas this foreknowledge is of persons "whom" and not actions or conditions i.e Faith and Repentance ! So the correct understanding and rendering of foreknow is vital.

beloved57
January 14th, 2011, 09:37 AM
So the correct understanding and rendering of foreknow is vital.

Its a compound greek word made up of pro and gnosis [to know], but this does not refer to mere knowing beforehand, or cognizance of the existence or actions of persons is quite obvious from a number of considerations. First Jesus will proclaim to many in the Judgment day that He never Knew[gnosis] them-and tells them to depart from Him, and surely He does not mean that He was not cognizance of their persons and their actions as pointed out in the previous verse 22

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

In addition, God's foreknowledge is not passive prescience, but a active ordaining force, for the same word is used as foreordained in 1 pet 1 20


20Who verily[B] was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

and again in acts 2:

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

It was God's determinate counsel and foreknowledge that delivered Christ to be crucified, and in addition, His foreknowledge was preceded by His Purpose to do so, and so it [God's foreknowledge] is affixed and subordinate to to His decrees..

krystyna
January 14th, 2011, 09:42 AM
You're speaking from the wrong perspective. You need to switch over to a sinner's point of view and then you'll be seeing these scriptures in the right context.




Sinless Saints

(Who has invented the triune God. Page 191. Post 2852)

If you want to be born of God and have the knowledge of God, which is the truth, then you have to be sinless. It's not a good idea to challenge God about the Bible because he's the only one who can interpret the scriptures.

1 John 1:
7: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
8: If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10: If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I am God, Kystyna, and you're acting like a complete idiot. (What’s the truth? page 2 post 28) ,

Only a fool could prove that a "Sinless Saint" sins or that the last all knowing prophet makes mistakes.

Only a derailed man could call himself God.:DK:

beloved57
January 14th, 2011, 06:32 PM
Also the word know is used in other ways than mere cognizant of existence of some one or something, but it also carries the connotation of to approve or the parallel clause suggest to esteem , to Love 1 thess 5:


12And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

13And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

The word know is instructive and enlightening in this verse Matt 1:


25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Where the sense here for the word know is living together or union. The NIV for this verse reads:

25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

So, to know does imply a union, a fore-union. Those Christ or The Father foreknew was by forenoon !

So Jesus can very well mean in Matt 7 23, I never had a union with you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity..

Some would say that to foreknow is the same as election because in rom 8:29 to foreknow goes before predestination, and in eph 1:4-5 Election goes before predestination, but that they are not exactly the same is seen from 1 pet 1:

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

But they are conjoined, and hence Here God's foreknowledge is God's foreordaining certain people in His elective purposes unto gospel obedience..

beloved57
January 14th, 2011, 10:02 PM
Antecedent Grace goes before to regenerate the ones who are to believe in Christ, for thats the intended meaning of a very misunderstood verse verse in Titus 2:

11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Here Grace is said to bring salvation, converting the sinner and teaching them how to live in light of the second coming of Christ vs

12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

You see, vs 12 and 13 are adjoined to vs 11, the grace here brings experimental salvation or conversion. Those who twist the truth run for this verse to support their unscriptural views that God's Grace is made possible for all without exception..But Paul is actually testifying to a Sovereign work of the Grace of God to all the elect of all nations..

This is so because the dead sinner must be quickened, that is made alive as per eph 2:

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;


5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

The dead sinner must first be made alive to do anything spiritual, how can one dead in sin deny ungodliness ? So then, how can a dead in sin person repent and turn to the Lord ? Is not that a form of denying ungodliness ?

So the Grace of God brings regenerating Grace to quicken alive all the elect men and women for whom Christ died, to convert them to a life dedicated to the Holy Purpose of God..

14400
January 15th, 2011, 01:49 AM
The devil doesn't have the power to create. He is a destroyer only. The devil has no seed. But he can uproot and destroy that which is not firmly planted. To spend one's time passing judgment on the worth of any of God's children is to usurp one of God's functions. bybee



MATTHEW 13:38

38.) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;



Don't be so readily fooled in the thinking that Satan has no seed...


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krystyna
January 15th, 2011, 02:00 AM
MATTHEW 13:38

38.) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Who is the wicked one?


Don't be so readily fooled in the thinking that Satan has no seed...

Satan as a fallen angel is not written.

Satan is anybody or anything in opposition.

Thus Jesus called Peter Satan.

Thus the angel of God Satan to Baal.

Thus God made David to curry out counting of Israel.

beloved57
January 15th, 2011, 09:30 AM
Can a dead man do anything ? Absolutely not. Could Lazarus come forth without being made alive first by the power of Christ ? Only the deceived would answer in the affirmative, but thats why the figure of death is wisely used to describe the lost person, to indicate his or her total inability to bring oneself to life, a resurrection is therefore needed. However many deceived souls believe they can regenerate themselves, bring themselves to life because they claim they are made alive as soon as they Believe ! But the question remains, can a spiritually dead person perform an spiritual act, as can a physically dead person can perform a physical act ? Believe the Gospel, is spiritual act, for the gospel is spiritual message, for its the Gospel of God who is Spirit rom 1:

1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Jn 4:

24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Scripture is very clear that the natural man cannot receive a spiritual word 1 cor 2:

13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The word receive here in context means:

to receive favourably, give ear to, embrace, make one's own, approve, not to reject

The Natural man cannot receive favourably the Gospel, cannot give ear to it, nor embrace it, or make it his own, nor give approval, or not reject it..

So, the cannot believe it ! We must first be spiritually quickened, that is made alive, which is what the Truth teaches, and this being the case, then there is absolutely nothing in the natural man to cause him to be saved.

Matt 19:


25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Jesus here is not advocating synergism as in God and Man can work together in a man becoming saved, but instead He is affirming that salvation is out of the control and ability of man, and relies solely on God's ability, that is Salvation is only possible if God saves us !

If we are saved, it must be wholly by the Grace of God, in God's elective purposes [election of grace] for no works or abilities of our own are sufficient or needed.

Thats the meaning of eph 2:

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Before believing one must be passed from death unto life ![see Jn 5:24]

That God makes alive some people even while still dead in sin, even dead in unbelief !

Folks if man is saved by his own faith, that faith is an ability in us, then God does not save us by His ability only, but we save ourselves, and to us [at least partly] is the glory due, however if we be dead in sin and unbelief, and totally incapacitated from doing any good [which is true whether we believe it or not] spiritually, and Faith be a gift of God's electing Grace, then salvation is surely of Grace, it is of God, and to Him be all the Glory..

rev 19:1

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

krystyna
January 15th, 2011, 10:05 AM
Could Lazarus come forth without being made alive first by the power of Christ ?

Was it the power of Christ or the power of the Father the only true God?

Joh 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.


Jn 4:

24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Scripture is very clear that the natural man cannot receive a spiritual word 1 cor 2:

The Father is the "wind". Compare what Jesus said:

Joh 3:8 The wind "pneuma" bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit "pneuma".


14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Spirit "wind" of God not God the spirit "wind".

The word receive here in context means:

beloved57
January 17th, 2011, 12:34 AM
Grace goes before to give Faith ! Thus making salvation to be solely of God's Grace eph 2:8 to be saved by grace through faith, is all of grace, even the Faith is of grace, for believers believe through or by means of grace, the very grace we are saved by acts 18:


27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Also the word believed in this scripture is in the perfect tense , denoting the permanency of their believing, they will always believe..

Now in addition there are many scriptures that allocate faith to the grace of God, though they are ignored or wrested to give man the glory. The proud sinner will not bow to God in that He is Sovereign in Salvation, even in who believes, and those who do not yet confess this, are still not taught of God. We will look at some text that absolutely teach the Sovereignty of God in who Believes, even though I am sure they will be assailed..

krystyna
January 17th, 2011, 02:12 AM
27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Which of these verses Paul rejected?

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father...

Please note that every epistle begins with such salutation:

1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father...

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Act 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
1Co 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen
1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Phi 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

beloved57
January 17th, 2011, 09:38 AM
I will be sharing a few scriptures from the word of God that confirms that Grace goes before to give Faith, acts 18:27b confirmed it, but now lets read acts 13:


48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Now this ordination is an eternal act of God, yet the opposer's of God's Truth will swear that a man can ordain himself to eternal life [what arrogance ] and how deceived. But taken taken in its most plainest meaning this verse means that a person believes because they had been ordained to eternal life, in other words they had been Heirs of Promise..

The greek word for ordained in the verse is tasso and means:

to put in order, to station

a) to place in a certain order, to arrange, to assign a place, to appoint

1) to assign (appoint) a thing to one

b) to appoint, ordain, order

1) to appoint on one's own responsibility or authority

2) to appoint mutually, i.e. agree

It is also in the perfect tense in the greek a perfect passive participle.

This means they once and for all in the past were ordained or appointed to eternal life, such arrangement continuing into the present. The passive voice is the subjects being acted upon, and not the subjects acting upon themselves..

Of the eight times this verb is used in the NT its not once used in the middle voice, the closest usage with that meaning is in 1 cor 16:


15I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

Where the word is translated addicted, they are said to have addicted themselves to the ministry, but even then, the verb is followed by the pronoun autou !

And of course if anyone knows anything about Sovereign Grace, even then that addicting was due to God working in them both to will and to do of His good pleasure..

So, unless one has been ordained to eternal life by God, and Eternal act, they cannot believe the Truth of the Gospel, or believe in Christ..

krystyna
January 17th, 2011, 10:22 AM
48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

beloved57
January 18th, 2011, 08:19 AM
There are no scriptures teaching that we as natural men have the inherent ability to believe the Truth of God, for we must hear [spiritually] to believe, and we must be born of God to hear ! For Faith cometh by Hearing rom 10:17 and being of God is requisite to hear Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

So, if we believe, its through Grace acts 18:27b, by the power of God eph 1:19, for Faith [the ability to believe] is given to every man [ elect] rom 12:3; some times its given by ministers who God blesses the gospel message to its hearers 1 cor 3:


5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

Now another scripture to consider phil 1:

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Notice that it is given, not offered, in behalf of Christ to believe on His name, for to believe on Christ is not up to ma's so called imaginary freewill and contingency, but its given by God, for Christ sake, for its part of the fruit of His reward for those He bore their sins, to believe in Him..

So believing in Christ is not something any sinner does to save themselves from hell, but they are the Fathers gift to His Son for His suffering and Death..

Thats why it reads in Isa 53:

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,[B] he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

beloved57
January 19th, 2011, 06:48 AM
Now another scripture to consider phil 1:

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Notice that it is given, not offered, in behalf of Christ to believe on His name, for to believe on Christ is not up to ma's so called imaginary freewill and contingency, but its given by God, for Christ sake, for its part of the fruit of His reward for those He bore their sins, to believe in Him..

Also the Apostle Paul teaches here in phil 1:29 that both believing and suffering are given as gifts of God, for he tells the believers in phillipi that these things hath been granted unto them. Suffering for Christ is a great privilege Matt 5:

10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

acts 5:

41And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.

And the suffering and afflictions also have been appointed by God as so was the believing..

1 thess 3:3

That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed[destined] thereunto.

beloved57
January 19th, 2011, 07:28 AM
Another scripture indicating that Grace goes before Faith or believing is acts 16:

14And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

This verse is describing how God imparts Faith in a Person, for its a Divine Operation, that we can attend [pay attention] to the things of God, for God works with the Heart, rom 10:

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.



10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Remember Phillip said to the Ethiopian eunuch before baptism if what ? Acts 8:

37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

The Eunech gave evidence to Philip that he had believed his witness to him of Christ, probably from the close attention he observed the eunuch paying to his teaching, his willingness to learn and listen, he was not combative of things of God and challenging and debating him..Phillip could tell a work of Divine Grace had been implanted in him..

The apostles could perceive that a work of grace had happened in Paul before they gave him the right hand of fellowship per gal 2:

9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

God had done unto the Saul turned Paul what He done unto Lydia, opened the heart to believe the things of God, this is done by God through Grace, for they believed through Grace acts 18:

27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

In acts 16 14 it is clearly stated that God opened her heart, for she did not open her own heart, nor did Paul open her heart, but The Lord, the Master did it..by His conquering Grace and Spirit..

Without this Divine opening, no one could believe the sacred Truths and Mysteries of the Gospel..

beloved57
January 19th, 2011, 11:58 PM
Another scripture to look at that supposes Grace operating in order to believe or have Faith is acts 15:


8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

It should be noted that it is God who does the purifying of the heart ! Note: If man believes its his own faith that purifies the heart, then we become guilty of this thinking prov 20:

9Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

The act of purifying hearts by Faith is an act of God and not mans. The Faith that purfies is an product of the blood of Christ.

beloved57
January 20th, 2011, 07:08 AM
Lk 17:5

Lk 17:


5And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.

This prayer would not be relevant if Faith was of human ability, but if its of God, which the apostles here seem to imply, He being the Author and Finisher and the source of it, then this prayer is in order..

beloved57
January 21st, 2011, 03:24 PM
That there must be antecedent Grace before Believing is seen again in this passage Jn 6:


64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. see phil 1:29

The word therefore connects the unbelief of these with the fact that it had not been given unto them of the Father to come unto Christ, this confirms that the coming and believing are the same, and so scriptures like Jn 6:

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

These regards Faith, that is to come believing in Him, from the Father revealing Him to them as per matt 16:

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Thats why they could come to Him Believing in Him..

beloved57
January 22nd, 2011, 10:05 AM
That there must be antecedent Grace before Believing is seen again in this passage Jn 10:

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

One must first be a sheep before they can believe in Christ. We cannot make ourselves sheep either ps 100:

3Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

We must be made a New Creature in Christ before we can Believe in Him, else how can darkness come into the Light ?

Before being made a new creature, we are darkness paul writes eph 5:

8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

So, how could darkness trust in Light ? Its impossible. By Nature Christ is Light

Jn 12:


35Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

36While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

By nature we are darkness and cannot come to the light eph 5 8 and Jn 3:

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

So Grace must go before and create us into Children of Light to believe in the Light..

beloved57
January 23rd, 2011, 09:24 PM
In light of witnessing about the antecedent grace needed to believe in Christ in conversion, its befitting to add these words:

Jn 3

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Many today have been deceived by the great deceiver [rev 20:7-8] in that they take the word believeth here to mean that it believing is a condition one must do to gain everlasting life.

Another scripture that is abused and many have been deceived by is acts 16:32, for this scripture has been construed to be giving a condition [to believe] on what to do to get saved. To say the least scripture can be multiplied with the word believe or faith in regards to salvation is used; but te truth of the matter is this, not once is the word used as a condition for salvation, but as a evidence or fruit of salvation. Believing is a evidence that one has partook of the New Birth or the saving work of the Holy Ghost. Yes there is a saving work prepare to believing called the renewing of the Holy Ghost titus 3:


5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

So before believing, a healing, a new life is given in order to believe, a spiritual life ! Before one can embrace spiritual Truth, spiritual life is needed.

Who takes part of the saving renewing work of the Holy Ghost that capacitated one to believe the Truth about Jesus ?

Its all for whom Christ died, for after His death, burial and resurrection and ascension, for His accomplishment, the Father gave Him the Holy Ghost to shed or pour upon all those He died for i.e acts 2:


32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

The word shed is the greek word

ekcheō and means:

to pour out, shed forth

2) metaph. to bestow or distribute largely

Incidental its the same word used in titus 3 6 after having said that one was saved by the renewing of the Holy Ghost, the source was through the risen Christ..titus 3:



5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;



So as I stated earlier, the Holy Spirit renews all those Christ died for in preparing them to believe on His name or His Gospel Truth..

Since those who Christ died for, all their sins have been paid for, so Christ by the work of His Spirit makes them righteous as per rom 5:

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

He does this [makes them righteous] by sending His Spirit to them, giving them a new birth, which begins the process of making them righteous because of His obedience..

This is whats behind those believing in Jn 3 16...

beloved57
January 27th, 2011, 01:33 AM
Ps 37:28

For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

The saints are preserved forever, that is their spiritual interest in Christ. Now it is a negative reflection on the grace of God to teach that men must perfect the work of God in salvation by his own works; for the psalmist says ps 138:


8The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, endureth for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands.

Phil 1:


6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

The foundation of Christian growth is knowing that it is God's work in you, He began it and will consummate it. All Spiritual progress is depended upon what God has done, is doing, and will do. God's Faithfulness ensures His work in believers until Jesus returns 1 cor 1:

So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 thess 5:


23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

beloved57
January 28th, 2011, 09:45 AM
All of Salvation is of God !

The Gospel of the Grace of God, attributes all of Salvation unto the Eternal Purpose of God 2 tim 1:


9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It's pretty cut and dry here, paul says:

1.Who saved us ! Who is the us ? see 2 tim 2:10

2. according to His own purpose and grace

3. Which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began !

And Paul's gospel was centered in these Truths as we see in vs 10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Thats is the gospel includes the Truths of vs 9..

Salvations moving cause is the Sovereign [rom 9:18] everlasting [ Jer 31:3] and immutable [rom 9:29] Grace of the Triune God [eph 2:4-5] by whom the saints were Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the World eph 1:4, also predestinated to the adoption of Children, in order that all may redound to His Eternal Glory as per rev 7:10

and crying out with a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"[esv]

The freewillers however would prefer that it be said " Salvations belongs to our god and our freewills"

However

Salvations meritorious cause, that is salvation is not because of anything we did to get saved [faith or believe or repent] not of works of righteousness as stated in titus 3:5, but the meritorious cause is the obedience unto death of the Lord Jesus Christ rom 5:19b

so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.

phil 2:

8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

His death was of the Grace, saving Grace of God heb 2:

9But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

note: everyone here is limited to the context of everyone of the new covenant sons, which brings them to Glory

10 For it was fitting that he for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering [His Death].

Christ in His death hath obeyed in Behalf of the Sons He brings to Glory, He obeyed the Law for them [ Gal 4:4] enduring in their stead the punishment due unto their sins [ 1 cor 15:3;isa 53:5; gal 3:13] and that His perfect God Honoring Righteousness was imputed to them, as their sins imputed to Him, and this is the meritorious grounds of their complete Justification before God, and not mans freewill...

And Salvations Efficient Cause is the Internal work of the Holy Ghost, phil 2 :13, for He imparts into the soul the principal of life eph 2:1; 1 pet 1:23; 1 jn 3:9, whenever He gives us a New Birth Jn 3:3-8 and delivers us from the power of darkness and translates us into the Kingdom of God's Dear Son, this is His Work in Salvation..

Salvation is therefore by the Three P's of God, The Fathers Purpose of Grace, The Son's Purchase of Grace and the Holy Ghost Power of Grace..

This is My Gospel Today..

beloved57
January 30th, 2011, 08:39 PM
I am amazed at how many, even of those claiming to believe the doctrines of Grace and election, do not consider it [Election] a Gospel doctrine to be preached in plain Gospel witnessing ! But thats just the problem, it is a foundational gospel Truth, and its negligence is due to the great deceiver himself, for to preach the Gospel of God's Grace as per acts 20:

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Its a given, when preaching the Gospel of God's Grace, to explain the election of Grace per rom 11:


5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

For if salvation is by Grace [election of grace] then it is no more of works [what we do], otherwise grace [election] would be no longer grace [election]

Folks thats just fundamental Gospel preaching on salvation by grace eph 2:


5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

beloved57
February 2nd, 2011, 01:04 AM
Now in light of these things and some people knowing full well that election is in the bible, yet not being acquainted with it experimentally, they put a humanistic spin on it to deprive it of its Truthfulness and force. They say things like this about election:

They say elect is only to service, though that it is in many scripture accounts a election to service and office, its equally true that there is a election to salvation :

2 thess 2:


13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

What can be plainer ? Also 2 tim 2:


10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

And then on top of this, many who were chosen to service, their salvation was a given, since the service they were chosen for required them to be saved or new creatures in Christ; for the works for believers that were ordained for them to walk in them, required for them to walk in them, to be new creation...

Then we have those who say that election is totally of man, it goes something like this, God casts a vote for you, the devil against you, and now you can cast the deciding vote, hence electing oneself , this is so absurd, I will not even bother to entertain it further.

Then its those who say election is True, but why preach it and the gospel, well Gospel Preaching is God's appointed means to bring to pass His eternal decree, and to supply the elect with the good news of their salvation eph 1:


13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Also God's elect are made manifest to other elect through believing the preached Gospel, its by the Spirit's application of the gospel, the elect believe. God uses the Truth of the Gospel to bring forth and make manifest spiritual life James 1:

18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

To Preach election in the gospel is informing the elect sinner of the cause and source of their salvation through Christ and prevents the pride of man of taking to himself the Glory of salvation, which belongs to God alone...

beloved57
February 4th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Col 3:12

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

No Matter what men may say, Election is 1000 % of God, and man has no active part in it at all, for its totally of God's Grace rpm 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Also the following portions make this point Mk 13:


20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

The emphasis here is that God has done the choosing !

That Truth is conveyed in ps 65:


4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

The False Teachers of our day would reverse this and would say Blessed is the man that choosest God..

God's choosing must be the foundation stone of Election !

beloved57
February 5th, 2011, 07:18 AM
elect of God !

The emphasis here is that God has done the choosing ! Thats the emphasis in the Gospel of the Grace of God !

Now Many would object and say that those scriptures mean the jews rom 11:5 & Mark 13:20 which is not true, though some ethnic jews will be included, but its relevance is to all the elect of God of every nation..

So in Mark 13:


20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

These elect are men and women of every nation in the great tribulation, and again, they are ones God Hath Chosen for Himself..

The Point of the Gospel is that men are elect because of God's choosing, and not men choosing God. eph 1:


4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Again its God who does the choosing, with the added feature, for we the elect are chosen unto holiness, that it shall happen, and not chosen because we are Holy, Holiness is the fruit of election, not the cause of it.

Notice again 1 thess 1:


4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

Notice, knowing, your election of God versus your choosing God ! The emphasis is again that election is God's act. Now how is it paul can make a statement as such, unless election as God's act had been a prominent subject matter in His preaching the gospel to them ?

If one does not Preach election in the gospel they are preaching, and that its a absolute Sovereign Act of God based upon His own imperial will, not in consideration of the acts and works of men, then they are preaching a false gospel..

beloved57
February 5th, 2011, 04:14 PM
Jn 13:


18I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

Now even though judas was chosen to be an apostle, Jesus careful wording here seems to exclude him from the salvation aspect of being chosen as the others to bear fruit Jn 15:

16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that

Now at this time, judas was not among them, he departed shortly after Christ statement in Jn 13:19 -30

So it is obvious that judas had not been chosen to bear fruit ! But understand this, that even judas being chosen by Christ to fulfill a prophecy, shows the Sovereignty of God and Christ over the ways of the non elect, for they have been chosen to fulfill and accomplish the Divine will to the hilt..even though not chosen to salvation..

Thats why Jesus says that He has power over all flesh [Jn 17:2], that is all human beings, the sheep and the goats, the wheat and the tares, the children of God and the Children of the wicked one...

And the emphasis is on Christ Choosing them, and not them choosing Christ, as today's false gospel and false concept of election goes...

beloved57
February 7th, 2011, 07:30 AM
Election is not only of God, but it is also in Christ eph 1:

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This is a most profound Truth, that presupposes Two Things, #1 Christ, the Mediator and the Head of the Church, existed for real before the foundation of the world; He is before all things in this capacity :

Col 1:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 a And he is the head of the body, the church:

Jn 17:

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

And #2 He had a seed or offspring in Him at that time [Isa 9:6 He is a everlasting Father]

And so thats what is meant by being in Him or in Christ before the world began, or being chosen in Him before the world began.

For its anti type of how we were chosen in Adam at the beginning of the world, the physical lives of all he [Adam] represented was in him at his creation, they were his seed, his offspring, and so in like manner, all the spiritual offspring of Christ was in Him when He was begotten by the Father before the world began, His seed Isa 53:

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

And just as we could not choose to be in Adam to derive our physical being from him, neither can we chooses to be in Christ to derive our spiritual being from Him, this is a work of God..

By this [Election in Christ] also is meant that every elect individual is comprehended in the Son of God, and finds acceptance with God only because of Him eph 1:6.

Those who reject Gods election in His Son, find it within themselves or what they do, which makes them accepted of God, even if its their false humility...

beloved57
February 9th, 2011, 08:24 AM
I believe its only befitting to make this comment about preaching as I witness to the Truths of the Gospel..

Lets look at Two scriptures to this end:

Isa 55:

11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

2 cor 2:

14Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

17For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

The Purpose of God in having the gospel preached is governed by His decree of double predestination. It is God's one whole purpose to Glorify His Saving Grace in Jesus Christ through the conversion of His elect by the preaching of the gospel [1 cor 1:21], and also to Glorify His justice in the condemnation and eternal punishment of the reprobate: For there are those God has loved in Christ before the foundation of the world per Jn 17:


23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

and they were made according to God's Eternal purpose vessels of mercy, which He has prepared beforehand for Glory [see rom 9] and then there are those God hated, leaving them outside the purpose of election, outside of Christ, purposing to withold His Grace and Mercy thereby constituting them vessels of wrath and fitting them for destruction, and hence this lays the foundation of Gospel Preaching or witnessing..

As stated in Isa 55 11, Gods purpose for His preached word going out will prosper [be successful] in the thing whereto I sent it..

To be either Life unto Life or Death unto Death..

beloved57
February 10th, 2011, 01:39 AM
Acts 20:

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

You know to testify of the Grace of God is also to preach it. Its used in that connection here acts 10:

42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

Now if we recall, it was to the Ephesian Elders that Paul spoke of Testifying of the Gospel of the Grace of God acts 20:

17And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.

And so we cannot but believe that the First Two chapters of that epistle [ Ephesians] contains many subjects of that Grace that He [Paul] Testified to in the gospel, hence the Apostle magnifying the Glory of God's Grace in Christ, testified that we were Chosen in Him before the foundation eph 1:


4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: see rom 11:5 election of Grace !

This is Gospel of God's Grace that paul testified to the Ephesians, and also, By Grace we are predestined to the adoption of Children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will eph 1:5, now here is the revelation of Grace, Why does God predestinate some [not all] to adoption in Christ ? Notice vs

6a To the praise of the glory of his grace, for Grace, not faith, not freewill, not repentance or any obedience of men, but purely by Grace have we been made accepted in the beloved..

6b wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

You see that ? God made us accepted, not we ourselves..

It is according the riches of His Grace that elect sinners have redemption through His Blood and forgiveness of sins vs 7

7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

God by unveiling the Mystery of His will in Christ causes the riches of His Grace to abound towards elect sinners vs 8, Grace brings God's mercy and Great Love in Christ to make alive dead sinners eph 2:

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved ) Grace Saves !

Grace is God's Spiritual Power working effectually on our behalf eph 3:

7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

eph 2:


8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Grace raises up the elect up, through Faith, and gives them to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus..

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

This is Paul Preaching the Gospel of the Grace of God.. No freewill of men in this Gospel..

beloved57
February 17th, 2011, 01:10 AM
Jude 1:

4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Perverting the Grace of God, thats what false teachers do. There is not doubt that many have perverted the Grace of God as they may claim that it gives them a license to sin and sensuality, and all manner of ungodly living. Yet there is another avenue, very subtle on how false teachers turn the Grace into lasciviousness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ

The way this is done is by these false teachers to impose the ideal of careless living, whenever the Sovereignty and Saving power of Grace is proclaimed.

Instead of accepting the Truth about God's Grace and its effectual working, these false teachers claim, if God's Grace be so, then it gives men a excuse to live carelessly. The Fact of the matter is that its only by this very Sovereign Grace that any can walk pleasing to God 1 cor 15:

10But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

beloved57
February 17th, 2011, 09:20 AM
Another way today's religionists pervert the Grace of God, is with the false teaching of what is called common grace ! This ungodly concept perverts the Grace of God and the Lord Jesus Christ, reducing it to something less than what it is, which is the working of the effectual spiritual power of God eph 3:

7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

This same grace is given by the effectual working of His [God's ] Power to each member of the Church that Christ died for, to convert them to His service and the work of the ministry. No all will not be apostles, but all have a work of service for the same body that they have been created in Christ for as per eph 2:

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Notice created in Christ Jesus ! Thats by the effectual working of God's power and giving of Grace..

Those who teach God's Grace to be less than this, degrades the Glory of God's Grace which God would have praised eph 1:

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Now How could this be called common ? When salvation and all that accompany it, is for the Praise of the GLORY of His Grace..

This Grace is not common folks, and those who teach it is, will surely give account for their perversion of God's Grace in the Judgment..

beloved57
March 9th, 2011, 02:11 PM
Scripture designates Christ as the Last Adam 1 cor 15:45, so we are told that the First Adam was the Figure of Him to come rom 15:14, all the many ways Adam was a figure of Christ, the most significant is that of Federal Head of a Race. God had him in a covenant relationship [hos 6:7] and so he stood and fell as the legal Representative of all his Family, for when he sinned, they sinned, when he died, they died in him [rom 5:12-19]. So likewise the same with the second Adam, for He too stood as the covenant Representative of all His People being legally one with them, in that He assumed and remitted their liabilities and responsibility. The birth of Christ in the flesh was the beginning manifestation of the Eternal Union between Him and His People given to Him, so it is written heb 2:

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; for they were truly then:

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Hence Christ was a Federal Head , meaning that there was a official oneness existing between the Mediator Son of God, and those for whom He Mediated [His Covenant People as typified by Israel] which means there is a legal union between Christ and His People.

Now the Gospel is founded on the premise that Adam and Jesus Christ are Covenant Heads and Representatives of their respective generations or offspring; for this cause they are termed " The First Man and the Second Man 1 cor 15:47, as if there had been no other but themselves, for the Offspring of each were entirely dependent on them, for in Adam all die, and in Christ all are made alive 1 cor 15:22, the First all includes all of Mankind, though satan's offspring was added after sin, and the last Adam includes all which had been Chosen in Christ 1 cor 1:30; eph 1:4; 1 cor 15:23.. This is important to establish exactly who it was Christ died for, that is Key to the Gospel..

beloved57
March 10th, 2011, 09:17 AM
The Gospel should proclaim that Christ died and shed His Blood according to a everlasting covenant heb 13:

20 NOW the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

The blood of the everlasting covenant is that of the blood of the cross col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And as a Covenant Head He died [ The Shepherd of the sheep], and the Father covenanted with Him in this Official capacity, and so in a real sense the covenant was with also all them for whom Christ was a covenant head unto:

With this in mind we can better understand Paul's words in gal 2:20; rom 6:8; rom 6:4; eph 2:6, so they were legally one with Him, just as in adam and he with them, in all He did in rendering a full obedience and satisfaction to God [matt 3:15], these things are a vital truth in understanding the work and gospel of Christ rom 5:12-19..in this passage it is affirmed that the chosen of God are legally made righteous on the same premise by which they were made legally sinners, for union with Christ is of the same order, and involves the same class of effects as with Adam, this is termed a living federal union, hence all the elect or all for whom Christ died are made the righteousness of God in Him 2 cor 5:21.

When we read rom 5:19 with understanding, we the Scriptures emphatically affirming that Christ saved by His obedience as well as by His Sufferings..

beloved57
March 13th, 2011, 08:01 PM
Preaching the death of Christ, one of the most neglected Truths in preaching Christ and Him crucified is that Christ atoning work was a federal work, that there was an official union or oneness between Christ and those for whom He died and now intercedes for, for He died as their Mediator. There was in God's eye a legal oneness between Christ and His People. Before the foundation of the world and before Adam, God's elect were chosen in Christ eph 1:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And they were promised Eternal Life in Him Titus 1:

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1 jn 2:

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

And were given grace in Him 2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Note: Christ Jesus [The Mediator 1 tim 2:5] existed before the world began as the Head of His Body, and even then Grace was given to them.. It was therefore as their Covenant Head and also as their covenant surety [heb 7:22], that in the fulness of time, He came made of a women to transact the covenant stipulations on their behalf. All the obedience Christ rendered from the virgin birth up unto the cross, to include all His sufferings was as a Legal Representative. Unless we understand this point, we will never understand the work of the cross or the True purpose of paul saying " Christ died for our sins according to scripture " for He died for all those He federally represented.

Also that the work of Christ, His atoning Death was a substitutionary one. This means that what Christ did and suffered was just not on behalf of others, but in the stead of others. Jesus took the law place for His people, having assumed their debt by imputation to it, and propitiated God's wrath and Justice for them, it was as God Punished us all for our sins already, This was all part of Him becoming our surety in the engagements of the everlasting covenant [also known as the new covenant] and this is what He did when He became incarnate..

beloved57
March 17th, 2011, 08:17 AM
What is the Gospel but a manifestation of the strategizing of our salvation and the actual accomplishment of it by Christ, its called the Eternal Purpose in Christ eph 3:

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

And for this cause it [the gospel] is also called the Wisdom of God in a Mystery, ordained before the world was, for our [The Church] Glory 1 cor 2:

2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

The Gospel is a Hidden Wisdom, not revelaed to all Matt 13:

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

beloved57
March 31st, 2011, 11:35 AM
Romans 4:


16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

Contrary to whats being preached these days as the Gospel, that Christ died for all mankind without exception and has made it [salvation] possible and not sure , yet salvation has always been promised to a seed within mankind, that being the seed of Abraham[heb 2:16]. God promised Him a seed that He would be a Father of unto all generations Gen 17:


5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Now it this promise paul had in mind when He wrote rom 4:16-18. This seed would be a people of Faith from out of every nation cp Gen 17:

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

In the hebrew " Have I made thee" is in the perfect mood meaning a completed action !

cp rom 4:


17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

So these were to Abraham Children of Promise as was Isaac was, He relied solely on God's Power for these Children he had been given by God in all nations.. There becoming people of Faith is as certain as Isaac was, being heir. So this numerous seed that Abraham was promised had a partial fulfillment within the gentile nations..

beloved57
April 16th, 2011, 06:28 PM
God's grace revealed in election[Rom 11:5] and Christ's effectual, particular atoning work, in that He by Himself accomplished redemption for God's elect, are both necessary for the plain, simple preaching of the God's Gospel.

These doctrines are essential factors to a saving knowledge of the Gospel, not things to be shunned to and avoided and designate later for the mature believer. These truths are necessary to the doctrines that reveal how God is just in justifying the ungodly.

They make known the True Christ whom God the Father sent to save a people[Matt 1:21]. They distinguish the true Christ from all False Christ's. They give no grounds of boasting on the sinner's part.

They display how God is absolutely sovereign in salvation, how Christ is the only effectual Savior, and how man by nature is a totally depraved sinner and dead in sin in need of sovereign grace and regenration and, not a mere savability or a mere possibility of being saved if he will meet certain requirements. Those who preach such are preaching a False Gospel and a False Christ 2 cor 11:

3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

beloved57
May 3rd, 2011, 11:03 PM
Preaching the Gospel of God's Grace ! Acts 20:24

Doctrines of the Gospel that have been neglected, such as Election of Grace, the quickening of the Spirit or Regeneration, these things have been relegated to a sub group and apart from the Gospel of God's Grace.

As the Gospel is the good news of Salvation, and Salvation is only by the Grace of God. So what doctrines in the bible enumerate what God has purposed and accomplished to save His People by Grace ?

For God had promised to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, and the Gospel of God's Grace explains How He accomplished this..

beloved57
May 4th, 2011, 08:40 AM
Acts 20:

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God

To believe the Gospel of the Grace of God is to believe everything that Grace has to say about How God saves a sinner.

A Gospel message that does not emphasize the Grace of God in Salvation, will leave room for many to think there is something he or she must do, something they must contribute, to get themselves saved, for example, like works, faith or believing, or water baptism, for this type of Gospel cannot lead one to Trust God through Christ alone in His Elective Purposes..

beloved57
May 4th, 2011, 11:29 PM
Not one doctrine of God's Grace in salvation should be neglected, for if we keep back any of it, we are not truthful stewards of the Mysteries of the Faith 1 Tim 3:9 and cannot say as Paul said here Acts 20:26-27

26Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

That is if we shrink back, we have been unfaithful stewards in God's sight and our motives obviously were not the Glory of God through Christ Jesus.

Evangelizing the Gospel of God's Grace in Salvation, this must consist of systematically setting forth those Truths that teach and give man no reason to boast about what he did or was enabled to do to get saved.

Everything Grace has to say about salvation is contained in the gospel i.e Eph 1:3-13 and not one word of it gives any reason for one to believe that man has any cause to boast of what he or she has done or what God has enabled them to do.

beloved57
May 6th, 2011, 07:34 AM
In order to show the full extent of what the Gospel is and to show His People that the gospel of the good news of salvation is not limited to the person and work of Christ, but includes also the Father and the Work of the Spirit, who they are and what they have done, hence, this is the Gospel of the Kingdom. Now Christ is most certain in the Gospel, the very core of the Gospel is His Person and work, and none are saved apart from His work of the Cross, but the Gospel of the Kingdom deals not only with what was done by Grace through Christ, but also what is done through Grace by the Father and the Blessed Spirit too. Christ work Justifies, the Father's choosing who was to be Justified by the blood of Christ, and the Spirit quickens or gives Life to all whom the Father has chosen, and the Son died for and Justified by His blood. Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

The Plan is complete and should not be restricted to one Person in the Godhead, because it can be only the complete plan of redemption by grace, and hence the Gospel of salvation by grace, when the entire work of the Trinity or Godhead is made known.

beloved57
May 7th, 2011, 09:35 AM
The Plan is complete and should not be restricted to one Person in the Godhead, because it can be only the complete plan of redemption by grace, and hence the Gospel of salvation by grace, when the entire work of the Trinity or Godhead is made known.

Scripture says 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Election as in the election of grace Rom 11:5-6, was due to God's purpose and grace, as well as every other aspect of salvation. Christ's work, his redeeming death, imputation of righteousness was due to the purpose and grace of God, and so was the regenerating work of the Spirit Titus 3:5-7; hence no part of salvation could have occurred without the Grace of God, James states in James 1:18, so whatever part of salvation is due to God's will, purpose and grace, should be in the Gospel, the word of Truth.

For when the Gospel of the Grace of God is rightly taught in the whole counsel of God, from election to glorification, it gives no room for man to boast.

For man to have been saved by Grace through Faith, man had to be elected by God the Father solely according to Grace Eph 1:4-6; Rom 11:5-7; he had to have a Mediator Saviour to obey the law for him and die for his sins, establishing and imputing to him righteousness, then man had to have a new birth from the Spirit, No salvation could have taken place without these Three facets, and so no true Gospel is preached without these being made known !

beloved57
May 8th, 2011, 06:58 PM
For us to fully, properly and biblically believe in Salvation by Grace, one must know of all the doctrines of Grace, for these Grace doctrines are essential to saving Faith [the evidence of it] because each doctrine is mandatory to a proper understanding, that one may see how, and believe why Salvation is all of grace, so thats why they ought be preached as gospel, and why paul says Acts 20:

27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

God's Salvation plan is a counsel Eph 1:4-13 and the Gospel reveals it.

One must see through Gospel preaching how that Salvation from election to glorification is all by the Sovereign Grace of God. For Salvation is wholly dependent upon the Sovereign Grace of God, and not one iota of it depends on what man must do. The gospel reveals to us the spiritual condition or state of man by nature, even the elect prior to salvation or conversion Eph 2:1-3 & Rom 1:18-3:20. Therefore the doctrine that teaches the total depravity or inability of men by nature, mans inability to come to God or to even desire the True God or Christ Jn 6:44; Rom 3:11, for this doctrine is essential to teaching the Gospel of God's Grace, it gives criteria in understanding why Salvation must be by Sovereign Grace. Even though we have scripture in Rom 1:


19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Yet we cannot overlook 1 Cor 1:


21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The world does not know God experimentally through its wisdom and natural reasoning, no matter how superior, so there is a knowing God theoretically without Knowing Him experimentally.

beloved57
May 13th, 2011, 10:22 AM
The Gospel of God's Grace reveals that not one part of salvation is conditioned on the sinner, yes even believing is through Grace Acts 18:27

27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through [ DIA because of] grace:

Faith is not of our nature, nor of the so called freewill, but its a gift of God's Grace, yes His saving grace !

All of Salvation is based or conditioned upon God's Grace Eph 2:8.

Now listen, if God has done everything in saving His People by Grace, then quite appropriate it is for the Gospel of their salvation [ Eph 1:13] for it to be a full and accurate explanation of How He does it ! How could the Gospel of God's Grace neglect to set forth details of that redeeming Grace necessary to save God's People from their sins ?

beloved57
May 14th, 2011, 10:40 AM
Now it appears in scripture that Grace, Salvation, and the Gospel form a common union, a whole Eph 2:8;1:13;Acts 20:24, For Grace and Salvation are spoken of in the Gospel, and Salvation and the Gospel are all about Grace, and Grace and the Gospel are about Salvation, the Former [ Grace] makes [ Salvation] happen and the Gospel Proclaims it ! So without question the Gospel is about the Grace of God in the Salvation of men, especially the Elect, the Election of Grace Rom 11:5; 2 Tim 2:10

In light of this, how could the Gospel not be a systematic setting forth of those doctrines of Grace in regards to the Salvation of God's Chosen People, which He foreknew ? So in the Gospel of God[ Rom 1:1] and His Grace, could God leave out any one part of His Grace that it took for Him to save His People out of the Gospel He designates as the Gospel of God's Grace Acts 20:24 ? Would God consider any portion of His Grace as not being very important or essential to His Salvation Purpose as delineated by the Gospel of His Grace ? Any Gospel which neglects any Doctrine of Grace, which reveals fully how God saves His People is a False Gospel, and those believing it are accursed of God Gal 1:8-9 !

SeraphimsCherub
May 14th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Let other religion's say whatever. But for those who are Bible believing Lovers of GOD'S Word!Who Want to argue that there is no "Elecet", and "Chosen" people of GOD! When from the very beginning of His Word, unto the very end! He is "electing", and "chosen" people, and using the those exact "terms" to describe what He's doing throughout His Entire Word, and is Clear as day to anyone who has the ability to read! So first these true despisers of the GOD Whom The Bible does actually Reveal. 1 Want to take our Election away from us! Which is the Entire Constitution, and Foundation Upon Which The Umerited Favour of GOD'S GRACE toward's men Stand's, and 2. Then they have the audacity to strip us of believing in our Eternal Sercurity That we have because we received the "Eternal Life" of Christ In His Salvation of our soul's when we were born again of His Spirit , being By GOD'S GRACE Chosen In Him Before the Foundation of this world! Which is absolute pure insanity! This is a good example of how Pelagian-Roman-Armanian believers think, and twist GOD'S Word's around to their own destuction: if the word "red" was given in a text, they would say: (((But))) actually that isn't the word "red", and if it is. That's not what it really means!(LOL...) Their whole belief system is nothing but a miserable hell of "But's" and "if's"!! It's like me sitting on a limb 90 feet in the air, and cutting off the very limb i am sitting on! Because the reality is that their "faith"(Not really) is not Rooted in GOD but in "themselves".

beloved57
May 15th, 2011, 05:37 PM
There is no Gospel of God's Grace if we fail or neglect to point out as the Great Apostle did, that Saving Grace was given or bestowed upon Chosen sinners in Christ before the world was made 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It should be made clear from scripture that God's work of Grace for His People's Salvation was finished in Eternity, and this fact of our Eternally accomplished Salvation by Grace Eternal is Stated Three Times in the New Testament one of which is 2 Tim 1:9-10. Here the inspired writer tells us that God saved us [The Church] and called us before the world began, and that this Grace given or bestowed upon us in Christ in eternity is brought to light by the Gospel, hence there is no preaching the Gospel of God's Grace without expounding this Truth !

beloved57
May 18th, 2011, 07:47 AM
So in Preaching the Gospel of God's Grace, Paul through the Holy Spirit writes That God [Within the realm of His own Eternal Purpose] That God saved us [ His Church] and called us before the world began and that Grace [which makes it eternal] was given to us in Christ in eternity, this is brought to light by the Gospel 2 Tim 1:9-10

Also in Rom 8 we are told that we [The elect or chosen] were Loved, Justified, called and Glorified in God's Eternal Purpose of Grace Rom 8:28-30


28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


And in Eph 1:3-6 the Spirit through Paul explains to us how we are saved by God's Sovereign Grace in Christ before the foundations of this world, and that it was all accomplished in Eternity for The Praise of the Glory of His Grace !


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Not according to our will !

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

This is how Paul and every True Preacher preaches the Gospel of God's Grace !

beloved57
May 21st, 2011, 02:49 PM
In order to rightly understand why it is that only the Sovereign Grace of God can save, then one must be brought to believe that Grace Doctrine the total depravity of natural man and spiritual deadness and inability. Hence one of the fundamental facets of Salvation by Grace is to relay that natural man is not able to come to God, nor will he seek God, the True God that is. The True Gospel of the Grace of God proclaims loud and clear that no part of salvation is ever dependent or conditioned on the dead sinner, upon what the natural man must do [repent or believe] and so all salvation is conditioned on the Sovereign electing Grace of God.

beloved57
May 25th, 2011, 10:12 AM
The Main cause for a Salvation plan that was totally and 100% of Sovereign Grace, which entailed the Saviour coming into the world
was because men were totally without hope in becoming saved Matt 19:25-26


25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

All of Salvation from Election in Eternity past to final Glory is realized solely by the Sovereign Grace of God. In light of this fact, any Gospel teaching that neglects to cover all aspects of Salvation
as revealed in the written word, and those things that point out all
The requirements for Salvation have been completely dealt with by
God's Grace is a False Gospel. Those not believing the fact that men are dead to God, alienated from God, and spiritually without hope in the world, are liken to the lie told to Eve by satan "that she would not surely die" but only now its " You are not surely dead". Those rejecting the Truth of all men Rom 5:12, is in league
with the serpent, who is the Father of lies. Such Persons will not be submitted to all of Salvation being totally dependent upon the Sovereign Electing Grace of God. For all men by nature feels that there is something living in them by nature that enables them to seek and understand and come to the True God in spite of Rom 3.

If this is True, there would be in reality no Gospel that declares all Salvation is dependent upon Sovereign Grace, if men are not totally dead in sin. The Grace of God is no less needed if man could make themselves acceptable to God by his obedience, hence then the Saving obedience of Christ is dispensable. Rom 5:19

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one not two shall many be made righteous.

beloved57
May 27th, 2011, 11:40 AM
As stated earlier, preaching the Gospel of God's Grace entails an explanation of the same. Paul does this in the book of Ephesians, especially in Chapters 1-3. Remember, the things rehearsed are not things the readers did not hear before from Paul's Preaching of the Gospel to them, but as was customary of Paul, He would write and confirm the hearts of Gospel believers, because of the many Gospel perverter's. Acts 14:

21And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,

22Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

That word confirm means to Establish, and Paul does that how ? Rom 16:25

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

So thats the Purpose in writing the Epistle to Ephesians, to establish them in the Gospel of God's Grace.

He explains in Chapter 1, Paul explains what God had done for them by His Sovereign Unmerited Grace in Christ. This Grace was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9. This Grace given was of His own Eternal Purpose, for the Praise of the Glory of His Grace Eph 1:6.

This Grace of God flows to them from The Three Persons of the One Godhead, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, according to the Father's Purpose, the Son's Purchase, and the Spirits Power. See Zech 4:6

Paul begins by reassuring that God's Chosen ones had been blessed of Him with all Spiritual Blessings [Covenant Blessings] in Christ [Their Covenant Head] from Eternity Eph 1:3, and that these Spiritual Covenant Blessings come to them according to God's Purpose of Grace in Election Eph 1:4, hence there is no possibility of Grace, Salvation, nor Spiritual Blessings aside from God's Eternal and Sovereign Election in Christ Rom 9:11 !

beloved57
May 28th, 2011, 06:55 AM
Paul states Election as the First Blessing named Eph 1:3-4


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The word Chosen is the greek word eklegomai:

to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self

Its in the middle voice, meaning He has Chosen for Himself !

This also denotes God's intimate foreknowledge of these Chosen for Himself, He knew them by Name. The word Chosen is made of the root word legō:


to call by name, to call, name

f) to speak out, speak of, mention


This has to do with their names being written in the Lambs book of Life.[ Rev 13:8;17:8] Thats what to be foreknown means.

The Father Chose a multitude of sinners unto Salvation in Christ before the world began. He chose us to make them Holy Experimentally [A work of the Spirit in Us and for Us] and to be without blame before Him in Love. And He of course will accomplish His Eternal Purpose of Grace unto them. Eph 5:27 and Jude 1:24-25

beloved57
May 29th, 2011, 09:12 AM
Next, Paul sets forth Predestination as a blessing of God's Grace, Eph 1:4-5

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

According to the Good pleasure of HIS WILL ! The false teachers of our day, speak that God does these things according to mans freewill. Lets look at this phrase however "according to His will" or similar statements in this book !

Eph 1:9

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Now, In Eternal Love for His Chosen, The Father predestinated all of them to the open adoption and glorious liberty of the Children of God.

Rom 8:21-23

21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

This of course leads us into Paul's third blessing of Grace Adoption. The word is made up of Two greek words:

huios which means Son and the word tithemi which means to set or to place hence to place or set as a Son.

Now this initially occurred with Election in the Son before the world began Eph 1:4 and it is made manifest in time by the providence of predestination, its manifested by their Faith in time and will be manifested by their glorification, which includes the redemption of their bodies as per Rom 8:23.

These truths are proclaimed in the Gospel of God's Grace. Paul said the Colossians heard of these things by the Gospel preached unto them Col 1:4-5

4Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

5For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

This lets us know, that the Gospel Paul Preached was detailed and extensive, and spoke of Glorious Truths and Eternal Hope and an Inheritance in Heaven 1 Pet 1:3-4

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

This is part of the Gospel Message, though its not mentioned in portions like 1 Cor 15:1-4, yet thats because those portions are not exhaustive of all what entails the Gospel of God's Grace.

beloved57
May 30th, 2011, 09:02 AM
In Preaching or going over the Gracious Gospel themes Paul once preached to the Ephesians, He reminds them how God in Grace, made us accepted in the Beloved !

Eph 1:3-6

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Not that He made us acceptable, but accepted, this by an Sovereign act of Grace. He accepted all the objects of His Eternal Love in Christ before the world began, and those He accepted in Eternity will never become or made unaccepted in time, as when they sinned in Adam.

The Chosen one's acceptance with God is not in any way or degree conditioned upon the fallen elect soul. The Father hath already made them accepted in the Beloved. To the praise of the glory of his grace.

One cannot Preach the Gospel of God's Grace, and neglect such a Truth as revealed here about His Grace !

beloved57
June 5th, 2011, 10:39 AM
In Preaching the Gospel of God's Grace, we should proclaim that redemption which comes through His Grace unto them Chosen in Christ before the foundation. Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

This Redemption and forgiveness of sins they have is not through or because of their believing, their repentance, their water baptism, not anything they have done, but its according to the riches of His Grace. Paul writes the same blessed Truth in Rom 3:24

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Where there is redemption accomplished there is also attending it forgiveness or pardon. Paul explains what He means by redemption by saying redemption means forgiveness.

The word redemption in the verse is the greek word apolytrōsis: which is comprised of the root word lytron which means:

the price for redeeming, ransom

a) paid for slaves, captives

b) for the ransom of life

2) to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins

So thats why forgiveness or pardon comes with redemption, which also renders one Justified, those who have been redeemed from the penalty of their sins by Christ blood are Justified.

In whom we [The Chosen vs 4] have [not offered] redemption through His blood [not freewill, faith, repentance] the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His Grace.

Grace therefore does not proclaim a redemption or forgiveness that is offered or conditional on the sinner doing something, like believing, or repenting, but a redemption that has demanded forgiveness, because of satisfied Justice. This acceptance with God vs 6, this redemption by the blood of Christ, this forgiveness of sins belongs to all those Chosen in Christ, " according to the riches of God's Grace"

Those not proclaiming this in their Gospel of God's Grace are not Preaching the Gospel but a false one, and those who condition any of these blessings upon any obedience of the sinner is preaching a false gospel.

beloved57
June 11th, 2011, 08:52 AM
The Main cause for a Salvation plan that was totally and 100% of Sovereign Grace, which entailed the Saviour coming into the world
was because men were totally without hope in becoming saved Matt 19:25-26


25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

The religionists of our day do not believe that with men, salvation is impossible, for they think in their minds, that salvation is possible with man contributing some how to it, which denies here the very words of Christ here. Salvation is only made possible [in reality] by God, as Jonah proclaimed Jonah 2:9

But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

Jonah had been put in the circumstances [which was a type] to make him realize, that his deliverance or salvation was not dependent on his freewill, his accepting, his believing, his repentance, none of that, but solely upon the Sovereign prerogative and mercy of God. Salvation out of the whale's Belly was not possible by Jonah.

Therefore the doctrine that instructs of the total depravity of man by nature or total inability of us ever being able to come to God or to desire Him, is a essential Gospel of Grace doctrine. If there is nothing man can do or must do to be saved [as Jonah in the belly of the whale], then it shows that man must be totally dead to God, in that he could never have acceptance with God apart from a Divine intervention of His Power and Grace as Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

You see how Paul used the fact of total inability of what men are by nature vs 3, and set up the Truth of Divine Quickening Grace that Saved us ! This was Paul's Gospel.

To believe in Salvation solely by the Grace of God, One must believe that man was not capable, unable to come to God and seek Salvation. Jesus Taught the same Truth John 6:44 and Paul again in Rom 3:11.

To understand Rom 11:6 which states:

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

This cannot be believed aright if one has not been convinced that man has no ability to come to God, to believe God.

If men were to have been convinced that they were totally dead, and not able to believe, then they could understand that believing is through or by means of Grace Acts 18:27

27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

beloved57
June 15th, 2011, 03:18 PM
The Gospel of God's Grace will include all those doctrines that set forth the reason why it was so imperative that God saved His People by Grace. Our native depravity is upmost in that regards. Jesus Christ Himself stated that men have not the ability to come to Him, which means Believe in Him unless the Father which sent Him draw them. Jn 6:44.

If we are preaching a gospel that neglects to include all the biblical doctrines that reveals the necessity for the Grace of God in our Salvation, then thats a Gospel which gives you and I a reason to believe that we must do something to become saved.

Those who preach a watered down gospel and give the impression that we are not completely dead in sin, is to instill in our minds that we can do something to get ourselves saved. This type of thinking is a attack upon the only way we can become saved, that is by the Grace of God. Acts 15:11

But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Note Faith is not mentioned here, nor here Eph 2:5

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are save )

Thats because the Faith is an attachment with the Grace that saves us.

Faith is an accessory that comes with the Grace that saves, so it is that we believe, the verb of Faith, by or through Grace Acts 18:27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

If a person takes credit for believing, while another with the same opportunity to believe ,but they did not, then one takes credit for their being saved by Grace through Faith. Instead, the proper understanding of Grace, if one believes and the other does not, then Grace enabled one to believe and not the other, then we have no reason or even the occasion to boast. This also shows that we understood our depravity, and that we believed only by means of Grace. Grace should have the credit for believing.

Paul stated that he laboured more than any of the Apostles, but paul was mindful to credit to the Grace of God for His Labour 1 Cor 15:10

10But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Paul states that God's Grace bestowed upon him was not in vain, that is, it was not without effect or producing results. And thats how it is with all who are saved by Grace.

Thats the Gospel Message, it should be as Paul stated here Eph 1:6

To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

beloved57
June 21st, 2011, 06:59 AM
According to Romans 11:6, no one who believes that man is not dead in sin can possibly believe in a Gospel which is completely dependent on grace:

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

On the opposite, they now have every reason to believe that at least part of salvation is conditioned upon the works of a man or mans believing or faith. If you have a gospel which fails to include every doctrine that reveals the grace of God in the salvation of His people, you have a gospel that gives you ground to believe that you have to, and therefore have the ability to, do something to get or remain saved, even if it's your believing or faithfulness.

The exclusive purpose behind every gospel which teaches that man is not completely depraved[dead] in sin is to instill in the minds of its hearers the doctrinalperversion that man can and must do something to get, or remain, saved.

Such a corruption of the truth is nothing less than a direct attack upon the only thing by which a man can be saved; the sovereign grace of God. If man could be saved by what he does, then grace would not be required at all in the salvation of a man and Christ’s sacrificial death would have been in vain (see Gal 2:21).

From the lie that man is not dead in sin comes the equally bogus teaching that he can, in and of his own free will, make a conscious decision to choose God by misapplication of such scriptures as [ Josh 24:15]. This in turn has produced a retinue of false teachings, one of which promotes the idea, which is the satanic doctrinal offspring of man’s not being utterly dead in sin [see Eph 2:5], that teaches salvation is an offer that can be accepted or refused; and that the Gospel must be preached to every individual as a personal opportunity to them.

This act of ‘free will’ reveals the teaching that man is not, as the Bible teaches, hopeless without God but that God is desperate without man, that He has no hope of saving anyone unless they make the decision to choose and accept Him ! Salvation would therefore not be by the will of God, as the scriptures say (Jas 1:18), but by the will of man. For the Good News of Grace to be preached, we must show the reason for the need of grace in the salvation of a man. This can only be done by a proper and biblical exposition of the spiritual state every man is in by nature: dead in sin and dead to God (see Eph. 2:1,5). We see an example of this in Paul’s introducing us to man’s depraved condition in the first three chapters of Romans before leading into grace. Rom 3:24
[B]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

beloved57
June 28th, 2011, 03:51 AM
It is crucial to be reminded that the all of salvation is covered by all of God's Grace [Eph 2:5]. No part of that which is essential in the salvation of a person has been not dealt with, altogether and amply, by the grace of God. Therefore, there are absolutely no reasons for anyone to construct a biblical presentation for the Gospel of salvation failing to be that which embodies all the doctrines which teach the grace of God in salvation.

There is no part of salvation that does not depend upon the grace of God in the salvation of His people. No portion of salvation is conditioned on the person, but every phase of it is conditioned on the grace of God [From Believing to Glorification] And the medium through which God teaches the individual doctrines which deal with grace in salvation is the Gospel. The Gospel should not be anything short of this and it cannot be anything else but this. The whole of the Gospel is about the whole of salvation, which is about the whole of the grace of God. If it had to happen for salvation to exist, then it must be believed for salvation to be experienced. Put simply, when it comes to salvation, if God had to do it then men ought believe it! If man must believe it then it should be presented in the Gospel of salvation, for Christ says that to believe the Gospel is to be saved[evidenced by believing] Mk 16:15-16. Correspondingly to be saved is to believe the Gospel: all that God reveals that had to be done to save His people Matt 1:21. This is to include election, predestination and the new birth,and all the elements of God's Grace whereby He made us accepted in the Beloved. Eph 1:3-6

beloved57
July 12th, 2011, 08:02 PM
The Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work, is the principal in a persons redemption, His imputed righteousness is the only hope of gaining favor with God. However there are other acts of the Triune God that are just as vital to The total effects of His work, and these things as well should be Preached in the Gospel of God's Grace. Election in and of itself is not Salvation, but one cannot be saved without having been Chosen to Salvation from the beginning 2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

This is the election of Grace Rom 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom 9:11

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Without this doctrine of the Gospel we would not know for whom specifically died for ! Rom 8:33-34

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Now who can't see the Logical conclusion of this passage as to who Christ died for ?

So when Paul preached that Christ died for our sins according to the scripture as per 1 Cor 15:3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

No doubt the our sins here are the same as God's elect in Rom 8:33 and the us in vs 44.

Folks there is no preaching the Gospel , Preaching Grace without Preaching God's Election of Grace.

Also in Preaching Election of Grace, we come to know who it is the Spirit will impart Spiritual life to based upon Christ finished work on their behalf. The fact that Christ death is to a particular people [seed of Abraham of all nations] and mans depravity and inability to come to truly seek God, validates that there is a election of Grace which was necessary [In God's Eternal Purpose] for the salvation of a man, and so something that must be believed if a man is to give evidence of being in a saved state. As an application of the Work of Christ, the Holy Spirit does a Saving work in conversion and renewal Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Therefore His mighty work is essential in the Preaching of the Gospel; For Christ Himself taught the necessity of His work Jn 3:3-8. The wisdom of God is much in display, for what profit would it have been for God to Elect a People to Salvation, then His Beloved Son shed His blood for them, and then for them never to be born anew by the Spirit ? Hence, all the work of the Godhead is essential Gospel Doctrine that must be Preached, and Grace is seen to me more of grace than ever, and boasting is no room for.

beloved57
July 29th, 2011, 06:12 AM
Particular redemption is a vital and essential Truth to Gospel Preaching, for it sets forth the blessed reality, that the Son of God became Incarnate and took on the seed of Abraham Heb 2:16, so that He might satisfy all the requirements of Salvation for that seed, which is God's Chosen [Ps 105:6] and merit for them all grace here and glory later [Ps 84:11]. He [ The Lord Jesus Christ] was given as a Covenant to the People [The Seed of Abraham] Isa 42:6

6I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

This includes Abraham's seed in the Nations or of the Gentiles as per Gen 17:5

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Christ finished work, which is His obedience unto death, the shedding of His Covenant Blood [Heb 13:20], being both God and Man was the culmination of His entire work of Redemption. This obedience unto death was as the Representative and Substitute of the Seed of Abraham, which is also His Church or His Sheepfold. All that was accomplished for them can be called the Righteousness of God Rom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein[The Gospel] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

For God's Justice and Mercy has met together in this Work of Christ. This Salvation is revealed in the Gospel to each Child of Abraham of whom Christ represented.

beloved57
July 29th, 2011, 12:06 PM
This Righteousness of God, meaning all Christ did in His work of the Cross for The Elect, His Imputed Righteousness charged to their account, this is made known to the born again elect sinners by the Gospel to God given Faith, which Faith gives them spiritual evidence and assurance of their being of the elect and partaking of that Righteousness, which Paul calls Phil 3:9

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Its a revealed Righteousness.

This Established Righteousness by Christ for God's Chosen People, is not a general offer, but a Righteousness that demands Life from the dead. Every sinner in Adam that Christ represented, spiritual life must be given them, Hence its Justification unto Life Rom 5:18b

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The NIV:Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.

The Justification by the Blood of Christ brings Life [Spiritual Life] to the all men Christ Represented, The Seed of Abraham.

Thats why Paul can say Eph 2:5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This word quicken means to make one alive together

Christ Righteous act of laying down His Life for the Sheep on the Cross Resulted in Justification unto Life. in vs 21, Paul states that Grace Reigns through Righteousness [Chris work of Righteousness] unto Life Rom 5:21

21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

These scriptures gives evidence that Life comes as a result of Righteousness [The entire merit of Christ work]. You see, Justification, as noble as that is, is not a end of itself, but corresponding life as a result of it. God has now a Righteous Basis to impart spiritual life unto dead unworthy sinners for whom Christ died , namely the seed of Abraham.

beloved57
August 20th, 2011, 10:36 AM
Rom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

In Preaching the Gospel, the True Gospel, the whole counsel of it, The Righteousness of God is made known in how He saved His People from their sins. Many times when I read or hear of this Righteousness in the Gospel, it is in respect to Christ Righteousness which has been imputed to all that are believing, the believing being an evidence of Imputed Righteousness and not the cause.

But there is another Righteousness of God revealed in the Gospel, whereby it is demonstrated in His absolute Sovereignty in the Election, Redemption and Eternal Salvation of His Covenant People see [ Rom 9:11-14]. Men by nature are ignorant of God's Righteousness Rom 10:1-3

1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Yes, this verse is specifically talking about the jews, however its application is appropriate for gentiles as well, and we cannot never understand it except by Divine Revelation. The Righteousness of the Sovereignty of God in Salvation appears to the born again Child of Promise; not only in Salvation, but in All God's works, of Creation [Heb 11:1-3] and providence, and they come to acknowledge that He worketh all things after the counsel of His own will Eph 1:11-12

11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

beloved57
September 3rd, 2011, 10:10 PM
1 Cor 2:2

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

We cannot Preach Christ without preaching the whole counsel of God regarding Him Acts 20:27

27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel or Purpose of God.

For example, to Preach Christ and Him crucified, the Cross of Christ, is to declare the Eternal Purpose, Counsel and Will of God, that ordained the death of Christ Acts 2:23

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Acts 4:27-28

27For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

1 Pet 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

beloved57
September 6th, 2011, 04:49 PM
Preaching Christ Crucified !

To Preach the Cross of Christ, is to make known the very foundation and purpose of it, the Eternal Purpose of God. The Cross of Christ was not a backup plan [as most believe] to God's Eternal Purpose, because Adam sinned and brought sin into the world ! Christ was the lamb slain from the or before the foundation of the world Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20. The Lord Jesus Christ was made Surety [For the Sheep] of the Everlasting Covenant, from Everlasting Heb 13:20.

Acts 15:18

18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Those Christ died for were Chosen by God in the lamb from the foundation or before the world began Eph 1:3-4


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

So one cannot Preach Christ crucified without Preaching Him as the Lamb Slain from or before the foundation in the Eternal Purpose of God.

Thats the foundation of the Cross being performed in time !

Paul says in 1 Cor 3:13

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

When was this foundation Laid ? It was Laid by the God Head in the counsel of the Eternal Covenant, when Christ was slain from before the foundation..

beloved57
September 10th, 2011, 09:40 AM
We cannot preach Christ crucified without stating the objective and effects or results of His Death ! 1 Pet 3:18

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The word that here is the greek word hina
and means:

that, in order that, so that

Its a word denoting God's Purpose, His intent. The Purpose, the objective Christ had for His sufferings to include His death was to bring us [God's Elect or Sheep] to God.

Now what does scripture say about God's Purpose ? Isa 14:14

The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

And the result of Christ being crucified for those He was crucified for was that they were healed [spiritually] 1 Pet 2:24,25

24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

The healing spiritually that Christ crucified effected is manifested when those He died for are returning unto the Shepherd and Bishop pf their Souls.

Unless one Preaches these results of Christ crucified, they are preaching another Christ, another Jesus.

beloved57
September 10th, 2011, 09:49 AM
double post

beloved57
September 13th, 2011, 03:33 PM
Continuing with the thought that we cannot Preach Christ and Him Crucified without stating the results or consequences of His Death. We have stated that it actually brings us to God 1 Pet 3:18

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

That means His Death results in the Repentance and return to God of everyone He died for.

You see, Christ suffering for sins and being put to death in the flesh, both means His being Crucified, quickened by the Spirit speaks to His Resurrection, and the results are us or those whom He Represented are brought to God.

The word bring is the greek word prosagō and means:


to lead, to bring

a) to open a way of access, for one to God

1) to render one acceptable to God

b) in a forensic sense, to summon (to trial or punishment)

2) to draw near to, approach

a) the land which a sailor is approaching seeming to approach him


The verse could also be rendered in order to lead us to God, He suffered for our sins, He was put to death in the flesh to bring about that result !

The Apostles Preached a successful Christ and Him Crucified, and His Fruit..

Jn 12:24

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

beloved57
September 22nd, 2011, 07:01 AM
Can the Gospel of God's Grace be Preached without Preaching Eternal Justification ? Absolutely not ! For this Truth is part of what Paul calls the " all the counsel of God" Acts 20:24-27

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

26Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Now it cannot be denied that Paul made this statement in vs 27 as it related to His Testimony to the Gospel of the Grace of God in vs 24 !

And so, that Testimony of the Grace of God, Paul states that Grace was given us [Elect] in Christ before the world began ! 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And being that Paul's Testimony includes clear reference to Being Justified by the Grace of God Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Titus 3:7

7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Then its quite obbvious that He included this Truth in His Gospel Testimony.

And remember what He said about the Gospel He preached and received from Christ by revelation Gal 1:8-9


8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

beloved57
October 3rd, 2011, 05:15 PM
1 Cor 1:21

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The Purpose of preaching the Gospel , it was the ordained means by which God determined to bless the Covenantees and to turn them away from their sins. The Preaching of the Gospel was the ordained means of God to feed His Sheep. Jn 21:15-17

15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Do you know when Peter first began feeding the Lambs ? It was his first sermon on the day of Pentecost Acts 2. The Lambs were prepared to hear and to receive their very first bit of nourishment.

beloved57
October 24th, 2011, 10:10 PM
1 Thess 1:5

For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

This Gospel which Paul calls our Gospel, came unto a certain People. It came unto them because God sent it to them. Rom 10:15

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

The word for sent is the greek word apostellō and means:

to order (one) to go to a place appointed

Now the sender is the Triune God, for the Father sends, The Son sends, and the Holy Ghost sends. And they send with a purpose to a people to whom it has been prepared for them to hear the Gospel of their Salvation.

They are sent to appointed places for a appointed People !

God sends them to where His Elect are, His Sheep. Jesus said before He died that He had Sheep that would hear His voice Jn 10:16, well, those are the ones that the Apostles was sent to with the Gospel, to the Sheep that will Christ's voice through their Preaching of the Gospel. That is why Paul said to the Corinthians 2 Cor 5:20

20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Thats because they are the Sheep that Christ referenced in Jn 10:16, at least some of them.

When Paul finally turned from the jews, He stated that He was going to the Gentiles and that they will or shall hear !

Acts 28:28

Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Who of the Gentiles will hear it ? Jn 10:16

16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

These are Gentile Sheep, and Sheep means God's Chosen People Israel.

Ps 78:52

But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.

Ps 79:13

So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.

Ps 95:7

For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,


Ps 100:3

Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Jer 50:6

My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

The Sheep are God's Elect, His Chosen ones, His Israel. Regardless of Ethnicity, His Israel is One Fold Jn 10:16

16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

One Sheepfold Israel, all the Children of Promise, of Abraham's Seed.

The Gospel is sent to them, and they are God's Elect.

Lets look at 1 Thess 1:5

For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

Now who are the You here that the Gospel came unto ? Notice vs 4 before it !

4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

It's the Election of Grace. The word of the Gospel came unto them, because God sent it to them to hear His voice as predicted in Jn 10:16 !

beloved57
October 25th, 2011, 05:04 AM
2 Cor 4:3-4

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Who are the our here in our Gospel ? Its the Church, its the Called out ones, its the Chosen.

We know this because Paul himself was Chosen and Called by God Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

1 Cor 1:1

Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

Paul identifies himself with the called of Rom 9:24

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Paul was Chosen of Christ Acts 9:15

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Acts 22:14

And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.



Notice also that he was Chosen to Hear the voice of God ! Its the Sheep that it is declared they shall hear His voice Jn 10:16,27

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

So as Paul was Chosen to hear God's voice, so was all of God's Sheep.

Now, that we have established this, we know that God revealed the Gospel to Paul Gal 1:11-12

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The Gospel is revealed to God's Elect as it was to Paul, for that is the only way it can be received, by revelation. If it is not revealed to one then its hid from them as stated in 2 Cor 4:3

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The word hid here is the greek word kalyptō :


to hide, veil

a) to hinder the knowledge of a thing

The Gospel is hid to them that are Lost in their sins !

But it is revealed to them that are being saved. That word revelation in Gal 1:12 is the greek word apokalypsis and means:

laying bare, making naked

2) a disclosure of truth, instruction

a) concerning things before unknown

The Gospel must be revealed by God's Spirit if we are to believe it 1 Cor 2:10

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

If God does not reveal the Gospel to us by His Spirit, then it will remain hid from us, which is indicative of one not being saved by the Cross of Christ, and therefore Lost in their sins.

beloved57
November 1st, 2011, 12:21 AM
Paul was a Minister of the New Testament or Covenant, we know this from 2 Cor 3:6

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament/covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Who are the us here ? The Twelve. Paul, Peter and John and James were all made New Covenant Ministers, they all Preached the same Gospel, for the Gospel is the Power of God unto Salvation for all who were believing, to the Jew First and also to the Greek or the Gentile.

Now the New Covenant Ministry was quite appropriately designed for a New Covenant People Heb 8:8 ! So what is so special about this New Covenant People? It is this,Christ shed His blood according to this New Covenant Matt 26:28

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many[Heb 8:8] for the remission of sins.

Note: Christ blood was shed for a specific People !

His death and blood confirmed the Covenant with Many Dan 9:27

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Christ confirmed the Covenant by His Death as per Heb 9:16-17

16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

This, the confirming of the Covenant, ensures that all the Covenantees will receive a New Heart, A New Spirit, and that they should keep the commandments of God Ezk 36:26-27

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

So when God sent the Apostles out to Preach, He sent them to people who had been recipients of the New Covenant Heart, confirmed to them by the blood of Christ. Now having received the Heart from the blessing of the Covenant, they are enabled to hear the Gospel of the Covenant and obey its commands ,which are Faith and Repentance. Thats what being Ministers of the New Covenant was about. It was God sending His chosen messengers to a chosen people, with a New Covenant Heart, to bring them to obedience of Faith as per Rom 15:18

For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,

beloved57
November 14th, 2011, 11:47 AM
When understanding the Gospel of God, it is always wise to consider what all scripture says about it either directly, and indirectly. We have a portion of what the scripture calls the Gospel directly here in 1 Cor 15:1-4

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

however, by no means is this record of the historical record of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection the total Gospel without further clarification. For instance, Who is Christ in vs 3 ? That needs to be clarified when preaching the Gospel !

Now another scripture that directly states what the Gospel is , is found here Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So there must be a connection with this verse, and 1 Cor 15:3-4 !

Now we know that When God told Abraham that in Him Shall all Nations be Blessed, it was connected to God Justifying the heathen through Faith !

That is what is meant couched in the words that God spake to Abraham here Gen 12:1-3

1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Now this was repeated by Peter here to some jews he preached to Acts 3:25

25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

So the Gentiles are included in the same promise God made to Abraham, which Paul states in Eph 3:6

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Now you see that ? Who would have guessed that God spoke to Abraham about the Doctrine of Justification by Faith ?, But that is clearly what God meant when He declared the Gospel to Abraham " In thee shall all nations be blessed"

Now, what is the blessing ? It is Justification by or through Faith to His Seed Rom 3:30

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.


The word shall denotes a Promise, Justification by or through Faith is something God Promised to do, and not something man is conditioned to do to cause God to Justify him as the False Gospel preachers of our teach. And Justification by Faith and Justification through Faith, are one and the same !

beloved57
November 14th, 2011, 06:45 PM
So Justification or Justification by Faith is a Gospel Promise, it is not a condition for man to get saved, as the False Teachers teach.

Justification is resultant of God's Grace Titus 3:7

7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

It is resultant of Christ's Blood Rom 5:9


9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And Faith accompanies Justification ! Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So Justification through Faith is the Gift of God ! That is the same thing Eph 2:8 states, that Salvation by Grace through Faith , is the Gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast !

Faith will be given to those God Justifies Rom 8:33

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So it is the Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:1

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

Now the point again here is that the promise of the Gospel is that God would Justify the heathen through Faith, so Justification by Faith is conditioned , not on mans freewill, but on God's Promise. This is something God promised He would do.

You see how man has perverted God's word ? They have taken a unconditional Promise of the Gospel, Justification by Faith, and have imposed a man made condition upon it that man must meet, and to make it even more twisted, the very condition they impose, is what God has already graciously promised to give and do, to Justify many by Faith ! Don't take my word for it, the scripture is clear in Gal 3:8 as to what the Gospel was to Abraham. What God declared there was His Immutable and Eternal Decree, this Justification of the Heathen by faith, was part of an Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11 that had been realized in Christ ! Its by His Death, that God Justifes many ! Isa 53:11

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:[B] by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Thats a Gospel Promise !

beloved57
November 21st, 2011, 06:54 AM
Many False preachers are teaching that the Gospel is some kind of offer to all men [without exception], basically they say Christ has died for everyone's sins in order to make it possible that they can get saved if they only accept the gift of what Christ has done and made it possible for them to get saved. Folks that is one of the biggest lies ever told. The Gospel is founded upon promise, of what God said He is going to do, for a certain people ! That this is True, read Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. BTW this took place in Gen 12:1-3, and Abraham was a non jew at the time, he would be considered a gentile, uncircumcised. Thats what Paul means by this statement Rom 4:8-10

8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

9Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

Now, do you see that ? The Gospel is premised on a absolute promise of God, that He is going to Justify the heathen by Faith, which is based upon another promise, that being God announcing that in Abraham's Seed, all Nations shall be blessed. This has reference to the work of Christ. Again God first preached this promise to Abraham back in Gen 12:1-3

1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

So there you have it, the Gospel is the proclaiming of the fulfillment of that Promise, and not a general offer. Peter realizes this in what He said to these jews he preached the Gospel to Acts 3:25-26

25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

You see that ? because it was the fulfillment of God's Promise, God sent Jesus Christ to bless some of them, by turning them away from their sins ! You see, the Gospel is not an Offer, but God realizing His promise to certain people to do what He said He would do. Now those who fail to make this distinction, and preach the gospel as an conditional offer to everyone to accept or reject, be it known to you, they are preaching a false Gospel, no matter who it is ! Gal 1:8-9

8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul shows no mercy here to False Preachers of the Gospel !

beloved57
November 21st, 2011, 08:39 AM
The Gospel is a Promise of Grace that would come upon a certain People 1 Pet 1:10-12


10Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

This is quite plain, that the Gospel is that report to some that Grace was promised to come to ! The Sufferings of Christ was connected to that Promise, and the Glory that would follow !

Notice again vs 10, the Prophets, that is the OT Prophets, like Isaiah, announced this Salvation, and that is why Paul writes that the Preached Gospel is built upon the foundation of the Apostles and the Prophets Eph 2:17-20

17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;



The Apostle's are now showing how that the Promised Salvation proclaimed by the OT Prophets finds its fulfillment in Christ the Chief cornerstone, and the Church, the Lively stones, stones in this building and to whom the focus of the promises pertained !

ThePresbyteers
November 21st, 2011, 10:16 AM
"God intentionally designed salvation so that no man can boast of it. He didn't merely arrange it so that boasting would be discouraged or kept to a minimum - He planned it so that boasting would be absolutely excluded. Election does precisely that." - Mark Webb

beloved57
November 21st, 2011, 10:49 AM
"God intentionally designed salvation so that no man can boast of it. He didn't merely arrange it so that boasting would be discouraged or kept to a minimum - He planned it so that boasting would be absolutely excluded. Election does precisely that." - Mark Webb

That is a excellent point !

beloved57
November 21st, 2011, 11:09 AM
Now where these Gospel Promises of Grace for the whole World ? Yes, Look back at the original Promise to Abraham Gen 12:3

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

All Families of the Earth SHALL BE Blessed ! This is a Promise, the word SHALL denotes that !

The Promise is to all the Families of the Earth, or to all kinds or Nations, which is the World. This comes to pass in the song of Rev 5:9

9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; = The whole world !

Now were the Gospel promises to everyone without exception ? No, they were confined to One particular Seed, The Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Now, who wants to deny that the promises[of the Gospel] were made to only one seed ? The scripture says it plainly, the promises were made to one seed, singular !

However this one particular Seed of Abraham was located in All nations, and not just one particular, this we know from Gen 17:5


5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

So it is in this manner that the Gospel Promises were made to the whole World [All Nations or Families of the Earth] but still to a particular Seed, the Seed of Abraham ! That Seed as Gal 3:16 states, is Christ, which means Christ and His Church which are One, Christ !

ThePresbyteers
November 21st, 2011, 05:33 PM
That is a excellent point !

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beloved57
November 22nd, 2011, 04:02 AM
Acts 20:24-27

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

26Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Many have not only shunned the testimony of the Gospel of the Grace of God, but they altogether reject it and oppose it !

The True Gospel, the Gospel of God's Grace, proclaims God the Father's Sovereign and Eternal Election Eph 1:3-6

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

See also 2 Thess 2:13-14

It proclaims Christ's particular and Efficacious and vicarious redemptive death for His People the Church Isa 53:6-11

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Jn 10:11,15

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Gal 3:13

13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

That is an accomplished fact of the Death of Christ for anyone He died for, they have been forever redeemed from the curse of the Law Heb 9:12

12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. All for whom Christ died have been Eternally delivered from the penalty of their sins ! Thats what meant by He having obtained Eternal Redemption for us, those He died for. Thats Gospel !

It is a Eternal Redemption because it includes all True Believers of every dispensation, The OT Saints and NT Saints. When redemption of the soul is mentioned in the OT as per Ps 49:8

8(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever )


Titus 2:14

14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

And Finally, the Gospel Proclaims the Sovereign Work of the Holy Spirit as He is the One who Applies Salvation and Redemption to the Chosen Ones, to include the Effectual Call utilizing the Gospel, the Word of Truth

2 Thess 2:14

Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

His Sovereign Grace communicating New Life from Christ to those Christ redeemed by His Death Jn 3:5-8

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Ps 65:4

4Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

beloved57
November 22nd, 2011, 07:24 AM
Eph 6:19-20


19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

20For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

Scripture, particularly the NT is full of statements that indicate that the Gospel is a Mystery, that means experiential knowledge of it is not attainable by the natural man. Paul makes that clear in 1 Cor 2:14

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The things of the Spirit of God here is primarily the Gospel ! We know this from vs 13

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

What are the things WE SPEAK ? The word speak here is the greek word laleō and it is translated also preach as here Acts 13:42

42And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.


Acts 14:25

25And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia:

And with even more significance its the same word used in Acts 18:9

9Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

Now if you do not realize it, Paul was in Corinth when the Lord gave him this imperative !

So that takes us back to 1 Cor 2:13

13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

These things they speak refers to the Gospel.

Now Paul says immediately after this verse in vs 14 about those things they speak which is the Gospel

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Natural man receives not the the things [Gospel] of the Spirit of God.

This means, that those who did receive the word spoken or preached by the Apostles as per Acts 11:1

And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.


Acts 17:11

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

1 Thess 1:6

And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

These were not natural men, that is these were people who had been again of the Spirit of God, they had to be in order to receive the Gospel, the word of Truth. If not, then Paul lied in 1 Cor 2:14 !

In fact, that is what Jn 1:12-13 teaches as well Jn 1:12-13

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who received the Incarnate word, had to be born again or of God also to receive Him, as Paul indicates that one must be born again to receive the Peached word, which is all about the Incarnate Word ! These things are True because the Gospel is a Mystery, in fact a series of Mysteries, that cannot be understood and received by the Natural man !

ThePresbyteers
November 22nd, 2011, 07:52 AM
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beloved57
November 23rd, 2011, 06:54 AM
I have been showing that the Gospel is a Mystery and must be revealed, and it is not a message for the Natural Man 1 Cor 2:14, but it is to a Spiritual Man, birthed into God's Spiritual Kingdom Jn 3:3. The statement of 1 Cor 2:14 is in the context whereby the Gospel is pointed out to be a Mystery which He Speaks 1 Cor 2:1-7

1And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Notice vs 7, Paul says that we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which is the Gospel, a wisdom or Gospel to a specific people vs 6 "them that are perfect"

Now this does not mean perfect as in a sinless perfection, the Corinthians were far from that, but the same word is used in Phil 3:15


15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Even here it does not mean perfect in Knowledge, or else, why would anything else need to be revealed to them ?

However this perfect denotes that they are recipients and benefactors of a Perfected work by Christ Heb 10:14

14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified

They will receive a perfect revelation of God through Jesus Christ as a New Covenant Blessing Heb 8:11

11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

They will be fully instructed in the things of God 1 Jn 2:20,27

20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

Again, this does not mean they are omniscience, but they were given a capacity to discern the Truth of the Gospel, which is a Perfect Revelation, though still a progressive one, truth built upon truth !

27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

This word teacheth is the greek word didaskō and means:


to teach one

a) to impart instruction

b) instill doctrine into one

c) the thing taught or enjoined

d) to explain or expound a thing

f) to teach one something



Also the word is in the present tense, so that the anointing given them, is continually teaching them.

What is this Anointing ? It is the Holy Spirit, who teaches the Church all Truth, that is His Perfect Work to the Church !

That same word Teach is used by Jesus of the Holy Spirit here Jn 14:26

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Now this promise was not limited to the Disciples, for it was given to them as they were Representative of the whole Body of Christ, and so that is why John says the very same thing to the believers in His Time as Jesus told him here in Jn 14:26, that the Holy Spirit would teach them all things . Notice

1 Jn 2:27

27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

John, who by the way wrote the Gospel of John also, applies the Promise he received from Christ in Jn 14:26 to the believers he writes to in 1 Jn 2:27..

So the " them that are perfect" in 1 Cor 2:6 are those born of the Spirit and have received His abiding anointing, which He will abide with them forever..

Jn 14:16

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

That same word abide is used in 1 Jn 2:27

27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

So these are the ones the Gospel mystery is spoken among, the perfect 1 Cor 2:6..

beloved57
November 24th, 2011, 12:54 AM
Now the Gospel is just not one Mystery, but a system of or series of Mysteries, or more than one Matt 13:11

11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Now one of the Mysteries of the Gospel that has been revealed, especially to Paul, is the Mystical Union of Christ and His Church, such a Union that formed the basis of His dying for it's sins !

Eph 5:25-32

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now the very first verse of this passage vs 25would be remiss if it did not set forth by analogy, of the One Flesh relationship of Husband and Wife, the basis or foundation of why Christ gave His Life for the Church, that would be because Christ and His Church were also in a One Flesh Relationship. There could be no legal basis that Justice could accept if there had been no Union with Christ and His Church, those He is explicitly said to have given Himself for Eph 5:25. So 1 Cor 15:3, could not be true if those whose sins Christ is stated to have died for, had not been in Union with, one flesh with, Christ when He died, this was a Mystery revealed to Paul in the Gospel that was revealed to Him. That Paul had the Gospel revealed to him is seen in 1 Cor 15:3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Notice when Paul says" That which I also received", he is speaking of received by Revelation, notice Gal 1:11-12

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

beloved57
November 24th, 2011, 09:52 AM
Now if Paul had to receive a revelation of Jesus Christ to believe in and Preach Christ, why is it alleged today that any natural man has a freewill choice to either accept or reject the Gospel ? No such nonsense is ever stated in scripture ! However the Truth is, for anyone to believe in Christ [savingly or in the sense of conversion] through the Gospel, the Gospel and the Christ it preaches must be revealed in them as Paul said Gal 1:16

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Now many attempt to elevate Paul's believing experience, in how he came to believe, as being different and out of the ordinary than any other believer, but that is a Lie from the devil. In fact, Paul's believing experience was so ordered by Divine wisdom that it may be an example of all who should believe unto Life Eternal, that is Paul's own inspired testimony 1 Tim 1:16

16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

What can be more Plainer ? Paul was no super sinner, He needed mercy like any other believer. He states himself as nothing but a sinner Christ came to save as any other sinner 1 Tim 1:15

15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

It took a revelation of Christ in Paul for him to believe, and so likewise any other believer needed the same ! Else how could he had been a pattern ? In other words, how Paul became a believer is but a :

an outline, sketch, brief and summary exposition of how the whole Church, the body of Christ becomes a Believer, being sovereignly saved out of unbelief..

beloved57
November 25th, 2011, 06:48 AM
Gal 1:15-16

15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Paul as all Christians, had to be made a Believer before he could begin his ministry that he received of the Lord, to walk in those good works for which he was created in Christ Jesus for !

Acts 20:24

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Another believer received a ministry in the Lord Col 4:17

And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.

So as Paul, he was created in Christ Jesus unto good works God hath before ordained Eph 2:10

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Now the True Christ must be revealed to a Person, and this Christ cannot be divided, or He is not revealed partially, because to reveal Christ is also to reveal His Church or Body since they are One. To have Christ revealed to one to the exclusion of His Body the Church, is Like having Adam being revealed to one excluding to mention Eve, whom God made One with Adam Gen 5:1-2

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

So when Christ was revealed to Paul, so was His Church, hence Paul proclaims a Gospel Mystery, even a Great Mystery Eph 5:31-32

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now carry this though to Eph 6:19-20

19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

20For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

and explain why this Mystery of Christ and His Church would not be included in what Paul calls the Mystery in Eph 6:19 ? Yes, the Gentiles were part of this Mystery, but they were part of the One Body Col 1:25-27

25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Now pay close attention to something revealed in this passage where the Mystery of the Gospel is being referred to, notice vs 26 To who is this Mystery being revealed to ? It is His Saints, His Holy Ones. Its not made known or revealed to all men without exception, but exclusively to His Saints, so they can believe it by the Sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit 2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Now question, are all without question God's Holy Ones or Saints ? Absolutely not. These are Chosen and set apart men and women, whom the Gospel is made known to or made manifest to, and WHY ? In order for them to believe it. Eph 1:13


13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

SuperMonkey
November 25th, 2011, 07:37 AM
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Perhaps the dictionary definition of false dilemma?

ThePresbyteers
November 25th, 2011, 09:21 AM
Perhaps the dictionary definition of false dilemma?
The universe gone universal, claiming, "I never came from the big bang.
Armininas claim, "I never had slaved, captive will but a free one."

The universe gone free as if there is one maverick molecule running loose in this universe outside the scope of God’s Sovereign authority. If God in some sense does not ordain every thing that comes to pass, then God is not really Sovereign

http://christianagapefellowship.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/GodsChoice.jpg

SuperMonkey
November 25th, 2011, 10:36 PM
The universe gone universal, claiming, "I never came from the big bang.
Armininas claim, "I never had slaved, captive will but a free one."

The universe gone free as if there is one maverick molecule running loose in this universe outside the scope of God’s Sovereign authority. If God in some sense does not ordain every thing that comes to pass, then God is not really Sovereign

That's absurd. G-d can be as sovereign as he likes, but His sovereignty does not require Him to mete out baseless favoritism for some and undeserved hellfire for everyone else. If man has no free will, then G-d is responsible for everything that has ever happened. The serpent in the garden -- G-d's fault. Word War II and the holocaust -- G-d's fault. Abortion -- G-d's fault. Child molestation -- G-d's fault. Jeffrey Dahmer -- G-d's fault. 9/11 -- G-d's fault.

Calvinism is the primary reason the number of atheists grows every year. It has nothing to do with love or with the G-d of the Bible. Your god is an evil, soulless, power-mad puppeteer. My G-d is Love. How does it feel to worship the ultimate source of all evil?

Calvin: "A god sovereignly and graciously forced some to sin, and then decided to punish them in eternal hellfire for what He made them do."

beloved57
November 25th, 2011, 11:13 PM
supm


If man has no free will, then G-d is responsible for everything that has ever happened.

God is responsible for everything that has ever happened. But so what ? He can still hold you accountable for the evil that He causes you to be responsible for..

God decreed that millions will go to eternal hell fire for their sins ! They had absolutely no choice in the matter whatsover..

SuperMonkey
November 25th, 2011, 11:29 PM
supm



God is responsible for everything that has ever happened. But so what ? He can still hold you accountable for the evil that He causes you to be responsible for..

God decreed that millions will go to eternal hell fire for their sins ! They had absolutely no choice in the matter whatsover..

And you're actually interested in WORSHIPING this guy?

ThePresbyteers
November 26th, 2011, 07:54 AM
That's absurd. G-d can be as sovereign as he likes, but His sovereignty does not require Him to mete out baseless favoritism for some and undeserved hellfire for everyone else. If man has no free will, then G-d is responsible for everything that has ever happened. The serpent in the garden -- G-d's fault. Word War II and the holocaust -- G-d's fault. Abortion -- G-d's fault. Child molestation -- G-d's fault. Jeffrey Dahmer -- G-d's fault. 9/11 -- G-d's fault.

Calvinism is the primary reason the number of atheists grows every year. It has nothing to do with love or with the G-d of the Bible. Your god is an evil, soulless, power-mad puppeteer. My G-d is Love. How does it feel to worship the ultimate source of all evil?

Calvin: "A god sovereignly and graciously forced some to sin, and then decided to punish them in eternal hellfire for what He made them do."


Worship the man of the house

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ThePresbyteers
November 26th, 2011, 07:57 AM
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SuperMonkey
November 26th, 2011, 08:16 AM
Are you going to make an actual argument against my position or am I supposed to be swayed by all of these cheesy cartoons that you seem so fond of posting?

ThePresbyteers
November 26th, 2011, 08:31 AM
Are you going to make an actual argument against my position or am I supposed to be swayed by all of these cheesy cartoons that you seem so fond of posting?
The Calvinist had just whacked the armininan in the face with a kick.
You have been knocked out and unable to respond.

You have cheesy punches.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9ihK9_CfYX0/SkSw6Vo7TOI/AAAAAAAABbE/dnMEJgzkEL0/s400/calvin+arminius.jpg

SuperMonkey
November 26th, 2011, 08:59 AM
The Calvinist had just whacked the armininan in the face with a kick.
You have been knocked out and unable to respond.

You have cheesy punches.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9ihK9_CfYX0/SkSw6Vo7TOI/AAAAAAAABbE/dnMEJgzkEL0/s400/calvin+arminius.jpg

Hey, please continue. I'm always amused when idiots demonstrate their idiocy in a public fashion. Also, just so you know, I'm not an Arminian. I hope that can help you better select which witty and irrefutable lolcat you decide to excrete on all of us next.

beloved57
November 26th, 2011, 02:18 PM
And you're actually interested in WORSHIPING this guy?

Its going to be to your everlasting destruction if you don't...

ThePresbyteers
November 26th, 2011, 06:30 PM
Hey, please continue. I'm always amused ...

Good to see you believe.

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SuperMonkey
November 26th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Its going to be to your everlasting destruction if you don't...

"If" is not a word that exists in the Calvinist vocabulary. You fail. Go back to demon school.

beloved57
November 26th, 2011, 07:20 PM
"If" is not a word that exists in the Calvinist vocabulary. You fail. Go back to demon school.

Will be seeing you soon I hope at the Judgment...

beloved57
November 28th, 2011, 07:32 AM
To whom is the arm of the Lord revealed, who will believe our report or Gospel !

Isa 53:1

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Jn 12:38

That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

The Report here is the Gospel. The word report in the greek is akoē:


the sense of hearing

2) the organ of hearing, the ear

3) the thing heard

a) instruction, namely oral

1) of preaching the gospel

b) hearsay, report or rumour

It is also used in Rom 10:16

The arm of the Lord means His Strength, Might or Power !

But notice, this Power, this Report must be revealed[to one] to believe it !

The word reveal is the greek word apokalyptō:


to uncover, lay open what has been veiled or covered up

a) disclose, make bare

2) to make known, make manifest, disclose what before was unknown

The same word is used in Rom 1:16-17


16For I am not ashamed of the gospel[report] of Christ: for it is the power[arm of the Lord] of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein[ The Report] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The Gospel must be revealed to one because by nature it is hid 2 Cor 4:3


3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The word hid here is the greek word kalyptō:


to hide, veil

a) to hinder the knowledge of a thing

The word also means cover as in Matt 10:26


26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

Now if the Gospel is covered unto them that are Lost, and they cannot believe it, then the corresponding truth is, that only the saved can believe the Report of the Gospel. It is revealed to the saved !

If one is in a lost state, it [the Gospel] is hid, if one is being saved, it [the gospel] is being believed, and to them it is the Arm or the Power of God being revealed..Paul teaches the same thing here 1 Cor 1:18

For the preaching of the cross[Gospel] is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The word saved here in the greek is a present tense passive voice, and it means , those of us who are being saved or that are in a saved state, it is the Power of God..

Folks, one must be in a saved state before they can believe the Gospel !

That answers the question of the prophet Isa 53:1 the saved !

beloved57
November 30th, 2011, 12:27 PM
Rom 1:1

1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

In Preaching the True Gospel of God's Grace, All Three beings of the God-Head should be acknowledged, and rendered due Honor and Praise Unto, for the Salvation of their Elect.

God the Father, in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace, and as the God of All Grace 1 Pet 5:10, purposed Salvation and Redemption, devised the scheme, and chose the vessels whom should partake of Salvation by Grace in the Time State, which are referred to as the Vessels of Mercy, which He had prepared before hand [By Choosing them in Christ] for Glory Rom 9:23;Eph 1:3-6. This is the Gospel or the Good News of God the Father's Election and Predestination, to the Praise of His Eternal Grace, there is no Gospel without it !

beloved57
December 2nd, 2011, 07:12 AM
In Eph 1:3-6

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

This Gospel Truth that clearly Paul Preached, was that the Father predestinated some [Those Chosen in Christ vs 4] unto the Adoption of children through Jesus Christ " not according to man's freewill as it is deceptively preached today by false teachers, but it was according to the good pleasure of His Will [The Father], thus Paul is stating that before we, the chosen, were ever created in adam, The Father had beforehand marked us out, which means He determined our destiny ! We know this by the word predestinated used here in vs 5, it is the greek word proorizō which means:


1) to predetermine, decide beforehand

2) in the NT of God decreeing from eternity

3) to foreordain, appoint beforehand

This word is also made up of the root word horizō which means:

to mark out the boundaries or limits (of any place or thing)

b) to determine, appoint

1) that which has been determined, acc. to appointment, decree

2) to ordain, determine, appoint

The Father determined the destiny of His Chosen, this is comparable to to Paul's Teaching also in Rom 9:23

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

This predestination to Son ship through Jesus Christ is in accordance with that Purpose of God that Paul sets forth Rom 8:28-30



28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Again this Purpose of God was established for us [If Chosen] before God created the first of the dust of the earth Prov 8:26

26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

This is a Gospel of the kingdom, Gospel of God's Grace Truth about the Father !

beloved57
December 3rd, 2011, 05:10 AM
Eph 1:5

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,



Now God the Father predestinated this Son-Ship not by or through Adam, by which we obtained a Natural Son-Ship Lk 3:38 and 1 Cor 15:46-47

But through and by Jesus Christ, the Lord from heaven. So this leads us to understand, that the Father purposed to create the Elect in Adam, have them sin in Adam, and then to have them brought into Son-Ship experimentally through Jesus Christ, by regeneration or new birth, then and only then do we obtain the purposed Son-Ship or become Children as pointed out in Eph 1:5 ! Now this scripture informs us that this predestination unto Adoption of Son, was according to the will of His [The Father] good pleasure [Ps 51:18;Lk 12:32]

To His Heart's delight. The good pleasure of God's will is always purposed in Himself and accomplished by Himself !

Eph 1:9

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

beloved57
December 10th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Rom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The Gospel is a revelation of the Righteousness of God ! What Righteousness of God ? 2 Cor 5:21

21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Everyone Christ was made sin for, He was for them the Righteousness of God[ 1 Cor 1:30]. Scripture reads, by the obedience of One shall any be made Righteous Rom 5:19b

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

It is these, the many, that God sends the Gospel to them, to reveal their Righteousness from Heaven, it is the Righteousness of God, secured unto them by the Obedience of Christ, it's made known to them. You see it must be revealed to them, otherwise it would be a Mystery, but God reveals to them.

The Salvation of those whom Christ died for , the Righteousness He won for them and it is placed on their account, is the Mystery of His will Eph 1:9

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

All whom are saved, it is according to His Good pleasure, they perish not Matt 18:14

14Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.


Lk 12:32

Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Rom 1:17 says it is revealed or made known , not to everyone without exception, but from Faith to Faith !

ThePresbyteers
December 11th, 2011, 10:58 AM
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waterbear
December 11th, 2011, 04:20 PM
Paul preached his own gospel. It wasn't Jesus' whose teachings are to be found in the Gospels, not in Paul's letters.

beloved57
December 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Preaching the Gospel is declaring the decree ! True Gospel Preaching can never neglect Preaching that Christ was slain from the Foundation of the world Rev 13:8

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

In the Eternal Purpose of God, by His Decree and everlasting Covenant in realization of the Decree of the Fall [Adam's Transgression], for the fulfilling of God's Eternal Redemptive Purpose, Christ was viewed by the Godhead, as already slain for the sins of God's Elect Rom 8:33-34, yes even before the world began or even made ! All of God's Elect were by God reckoned as Saved in Christ from Eternity courtesy of Rom 8:28-31; Eph 1:3-6; 2 Tim 1:9. In light of this all of that which they experience in the time state of saving Grace, was done for them in God's Eternal Purpose before the creation of the world, according to God's Mind and Purpose, the Lord Jesus Christ was slain, hence the conclusion, that in God's Mind, the stipulations of the Covenant of Grace or the Everlasting Covenant were fulfilled, the blood of the Covenant shed, Christ being seated at the Right hand of God, and the Elect Redeemed !

beloved57
December 27th, 2011, 08:45 AM
Lk 24:46-47

46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Remission of sins or Forgiveness of sins, the same word aphesis which means:


release from bondage or imprisonment

2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

And Repentance which means :a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

Jesus told His disciples that they should be preached [published] in His Name, that is, these blessings are theirs because of Me, My Finished Work, these blessings, repentance and forgiveness of sins, are given to all those Christ died for, Which was God's Chosen People, Spiritual Israel, which included Gentiles. Acts 5:31


31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

That word granted is the same word for give in Acts 5:31

It's the greek word didōmi:


to give

2) to give something to someone

a) of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage

1) to bestow a gift

Those who teach a false Gospel have taken the preaching of repentance, and perverted it as to making it a condition for people to do in order to get saved, but that's a Lie, both Repentance and Remission of Sins are given to all for whom Christ died. Yes , Christ and the Apostles preached Repentance as a command, but that was in order that the bestowed Gift would be made evident by those it had been given to !

beloved57
December 28th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Eph 1:6

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

The freewillers will reject this precious truth of the Gospel of the Grace of God. Now who has been made accepted in the beloved and when were they made accepted in the beloved ?

Remember, the Gospel is the Good News of what God has done for Chosen sinners through Jesus Christ, its not about man's duty and responsibility.

Now the answer to the first inquiry, who has been made accepted in the beloved, why Believers have, also those Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 ! Now many of the adversaries of the Gospel contend that Paul was now writing to Believers, implying that they are not accepted in the Beloved until after they believe, but thats a lie, sure such comments cannot be made to any except believers, but believing was not the condition, but the invertible result or effect. Long before any believer believed, God hath made them accepted in the beloved, by choosing them in Him, before the foundation Eph 1:4, and it is this fact, that gives this to be a matter for the Praise of the Glory of His Grace. This Grace was given to them before they became believers, in Christ Jesus [Their Mediator Head] before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and [B]grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Paul is here rehearsing to them the Gospel of God's Grace He had already preached to them Acts 20:24

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

If the Gospel you preach or believed did not consist with this Grand Truth, That God hath made us accepted in the Beloved, by His grace given, before the world began, then you preach a false man centered gospel !

beloved57
December 30th, 2011, 01:02 AM
Lk 4:18

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Preaching the Gospel as it pertained to Salvation, those to whom it was a Savor of Life unto Life 2 Cor 2:16, and to whom it was the power of God Rom 1:16, was limited to a certain people, a prepared people, much like how it was with John the Baptist Lk 1:17

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

For this Jesus Himself proclaimed, to whom He was Anointed and sent to preach the Gospel of Salvation unto. Now was it everyone without exception ? No , but it was to the poor Lk 4:18

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Now what does poor mean here ? Poor means poor in Spirit as in Matt 5:3

3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

You see that ? Its a blessed thing to be made poor in Spirit, and the Promise is to them, that theirs is the Kingdom of heaven, and so, that being the case, the Gospel of their Salvation comes to them Eph 1:13

The poor in Spirit are Heirs of the Kingdom, the Kingdom of Heaven James 2:5

Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Now ask yourself, are all men without exception poor in spirit ? No they are not, and to become that, one must be blessed of God, that is God the Holy Spirit, in New Birth. It is a Covenant Blessing, a Kingdom Blessing, of one who has been birthed into His Kingdom ! Jn 3:3-5

So the Gospel is sent to a spiritually prepared people, those who by the Spirit will be made sensibly aware of their own spiritual poverty and sinfulness, much Like the Publican in Lk 18:13

13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Thats poor in Spirit folks, and to such, God sends the good news of their Salvation, to them the Gospel is preached !

tudorturtl
December 30th, 2011, 05:51 AM
2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. [the disciples, save judas, represented all them given to Jesus christ]

there is something in this, that will perhaps always bother me. a question.
did Judas, by betraying Jesus, do the will of God?
Jesus told him "what you do,do quickly!" almost as though if you think about it you might not be able to do what must be done.
I will leave that judgement to God. for it could be like in Josephs story, that God meant it for good, that many souls be saved alive. And we don't see Joseph condemning Judah in that picture do we? not my call. that's all I'm saying.

beloved57
December 30th, 2011, 09:41 AM
Let us notice a second detail of those the Gospel is preached to, Jesus says to the Captives Lk 4:18

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

The word preach here means to:

to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done

In other words, the deliverance of the captive is something to be proclaimed as done, not contingent, not possible, not if, but or maybe, but that it is a done deal !

The word deliverance means:

release from bondage or imprisonment

2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

The Ideal is this, if one has been serving a death sentence for having been guilty of gruesome crimes, and then on the by and by, they have brought to them that they are now free, that the penalty has been satisfied, that they are forgiven all is well, the state holds nothing against you now, in fact it is as you never did the crimes !

Even all are captives by nature, all are not sensible of it, however God will make all His Chosen ones who are captives by satan, to feel their captivity and to hope for His deliverance as He did with the Children of Israel Ex 3:8-9

And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.

Jesus Christ came down to deliver His Spiritual Israel, His Church from the works of the Devil 1 Jn 3:8, That He may deliver us from this present evil world Gal 1:4

4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world[Egypt], according to the will of God and our Father:



9Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them.

Yes, God will cause our captivity to become a oppression[distress or affliction] right before He sends the good news of the Gospel, Proclaiming our deliverance !

He prepares His People for the heartily reception of the Gospel of their salvation, they receive it with readiness of heart ! Acts 17:11

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Now do you think any of the Children of Israel would not have been ready to hear the Good News of their deliverance from Egypt ?

beloved57
December 30th, 2011, 09:43 AM
2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. [the disciples, save judas, represented all them given to Jesus christ]

there is something in this, that will perhaps always bother me. a question.
did Judas, by betraying Jesus, do the will of God?
Jesus told him "what you do,do quickly!" almost as though if you think about it you might not be able to do what must be done.
I will leave that judgement to God. for it could be like in Josephs story, that God meant it for good, that many souls be saved alive. And we don't see Joseph condemning Judah in that picture do we? not my call. that's all I'm saying.

Sir or Mam, why not ask a question relevant to the subject matter in this thread ?

beloved57
January 2nd, 2012, 09:05 AM
Rom 10:14-15


14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

How shall who hear without a Preacher ? The Sheep of course. Remember Jesus said Jn 10:16

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The Main purpose of Gospel Preaching in the Apostolic era, was to call forth Faith and Repentance in the Spiritually alive Elect, or Sheep ! Thats why Paul says this in Acts 20:19-21

19Serving the LORD with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews:

20And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house,

21Testifying both to the Jews [Sheep], and also to the Greeks[Sheep], repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

The word testifying here is the greek word diamartyromai and it means:

to testify

a) earnestly, religiously to charge

2) to attest, testify to, solemnly affirm

a) to give solemn testimony to one

b) to confirm a thing by testimony, to testify, cause it to be believed

Paul through His Apostolic Ministry was giving confirmation to the Spiritually awakened Sheep of the Jews and the Gentiles of their Salvation through Christ, causing them to believe their Testimony, by the work of the Spirit attending His Ministry. This was the Main and Primary reason for Apostolic Gospel Preaching !

Paul said to the Believing Corinthians this 1 Cor 1:6

Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: This word confirmed in the greek is in the passive voice, they were made recipients of the Testimony of the Gospel, being confirmed into belief of the Truth !

If one believes the True Testimony of the Gospel, it is not because of their freewill choice, but it was confirmed in them by God the Holy Spirit !

beloved57
January 4th, 2012, 07:15 AM
The Gospel that Paul Preached makes it quite clear that a man is not saved by anything they have done, no obedience of theirs, In fact he teaches that as we [God's Elect] were made sinners, not by what we did, but by what Adam did, so in same exact fashion, we [God's Elect] are made Righteous, not by what we did, but what Christ did, whom is the Head of the Church Rom 5:18-19

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

beloved57
January 4th, 2012, 09:47 AM
Eph 6:19-20

19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

The Gospel and it's Doctrines are Mysteries Matt 13:11

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

The Gospel is also called by Paul " The wisdom of God in a Mystery" Per 1 Cor 2:7

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

It is preached and only made known to God's Saints, those set apart by the Holy Spirit 2 Thess 2:13

Col 1:26

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Now understand, the Elect of God are actually saints while they are sinners, while they are enemies, while they are Children of wrath even as others !

They were sanctified by God the Father before the world began ! Jude 1:1

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

And they were sanctified by the blood of Christ when He offered Himself for them !

Heb 10:10

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Everyone God the Father knew for whom Christ died, " The foreknown" they were sanctified in God's Mind and Purpose" by the blood of Christ. So the Gospel is made manifest or known to them ! Col 1:26

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

How is it made manifest to them ? By the Gospel !

ThePresbyteers
January 4th, 2012, 10:56 AM
TO DENY AN EFFECTUAL (http://arminianheresy.blogspot.com/)
AND PARTICULAR REDEMPTION (http://arminianheresy.blogspot.com/)
IS TO DENY THE GOSPEL (http://arminianheresy.blogspot.com/)

beloved57
January 4th, 2012, 10:52 PM
Why did the Apostles Preach Repentance ? Lk 24:45-48


45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48And ye are witnesses of these things.

Also Look at Acts 20:20-21

20And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house,

21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Of course Jesus commanded it, Mk 1:14-15, but why ? Now the antichrist testimony would have us believe that the Gospel command to repent is a duty for all men to perform to get saved . They are in essence calling men to perform good works, or duties as to meet conditions to get themselves saved, thus perverting the Gospel of God's Grace ! For the scripture has made it plain that Salvation is by Grace, and not works, or duties, and it is unwise to mix the Two Rom 11:5-6

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

So again, why this command to repent, to perform ? It was not so they can be causes of Grace to get saved, but effects of Grace after having been saved. You see, they were saved by Grace apart from their works, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holly Ghost Titus 3:5, and Faith and Repentance are the effects and evidences of that saving work !

beloved57
January 5th, 2012, 12:15 AM
The Main Purpose for Gospel Preaching was in order to call forth the Elect, or Sheep, or the Church unto Repentance. Those who preach that Faith and or Repentance are duties incumbent upon every man without exception, as may be gathered from Acts 17:30, are preaching a False Gospel ! Jesus commanded Repentance to Preached to both Jews and gentiles Acts 20:20-21 because both would be recipients of the Gift of Repentance Acts 5:31;11:18, for they receive the Gift in their New Birth, which is a result of Christ's resurrection. In essence, Gospel Preaching was purposed and designed only for the Born Again Ones to repent and believe. That's why Jesus said, " He that believeth and is Baptized [as a evidence of submission] shall be saved, they #1. Shall be saved already by the Mercy of Regeneration and the Spirits Renewing, and #2. they shall be saved from the wrath to come !

beloved57
January 5th, 2012, 08:28 AM
Now understand this, If Faith and Repentance are not Gifts of a New Spiritual Life given by the Risen Saviour, Jesus Christ as evidences of Spiritual life, then what we have is Faith and Repentance becoming duties, tasks, works of men, meritorious deeds by men towards Salvation, which makes Salvation depend on our works, which is error, because Salvation is by Grace and not of works Rom 11:5-6

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

What this boils down to, the antichrist ministers turn the effects of saving Grace [Faith and Repentance] into the causes of Salvation, thus perverting God's Grace Jude 1:4

4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

meshak
January 5th, 2012, 08:59 AM
You don't need works to be saved is false gospel, friend.

beloved57
January 5th, 2012, 09:03 AM
You don't need works to be saved is false gospel, friend.

Thats you promoting a False Gospel ! A Man is Saved by Grace apart from His works..Rom 11:5-6

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Grosnick Marowbe
January 5th, 2012, 09:48 AM
You don't need works to be saved is false gospel, friend.

We CANNOT come before a, "Righteous and Holy God" with our works... You're wrong. Works come, after a person has been "born again Spiritually," not before...

beloved57
January 5th, 2012, 10:13 AM
Gospel Obedience is the end of evangelism. Paul states that here Rom 1:5

By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Rom 16:26

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

That the Preaching of the Gospel would call forth the Born Again One's Grace evidencing Effects or Fruit; For example, when the imperative was given to Lazarus to come forth, how was Lazarus able to comply, was it as a dead man or one who had miraculously made alive by Him that was the Resurrection and the Life? Without doubt He was made alive, and so His obedience gave evidence of Life from Christ, and so it is with Gospel obedience to the spiritually alive in Christ, it gives evidence of His imparted Life. On the day of Pentecost, Peter in preaching the Gospel, gave the command to repent and be baptized to those who were evidencing New Life from the Spirit, that Jesus Christ at the Right Hand of God had just shed forth Acts 2:33,38

33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter know from scripture prophecy that God had promised to pour out His Spirit on a Seed Isa 44:3

3For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

beloved57
January 8th, 2012, 08:01 PM
In order for Christ to die for our sins, they had to be first laid to His Charge !

Just when did Christ the Surety for all whom died, that is died for their sins as Per 1 Cor 15:3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

As Surety, when did He officially take on the Legal responsibility of their sins ?

meshak
January 8th, 2012, 08:08 PM
We CANNOT come before a, "Righteous and Holy God" with our works... You're wrong. Works come, after a person has been "born again Spiritually," not before...

You dannot separate faithf and works. Trins have too many false gospel. BTW, this is what Calvin, your evil leader tought. You are following this evil man too, GM.

beloved57
January 9th, 2012, 05:32 PM
1 Cor 3:10-11

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Preaching Christ the foundation Stone, The OT mentions a Foundation Stone Isa 28:16

16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Thats why it reads in Eph 2:20

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Isaiah Preached Christ as we just read in Isa 28:16, of which the Apostle Peter quotes here 1 Pet 2:6

6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture[OT], Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

And the Apostle Paul here Rom 9:33

33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. See Isa 8:14

Now no doubt about it, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who is this Foundational Stone. It also mentions being laid in Zion. What is Zion ? Zion is a Type of the Church, the Elect or Chosen. It's the Temple of God, Christ being the Corner Stone Eph 2:20-21

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Zion was a Hill in Jerusalem where the Temple was Built !

So, now the Holy Temple is the Church, composed of jews and gentiles who are believers, Chosen Believers Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Christ being the Chief Cornerstone, that is Zion !

beloved57
January 10th, 2012, 02:42 AM
It is only appropriate to know [in preaching the Gospel] who laid this Foundation, which is Christ; well who speaks in the Prophecy Isa 28:16

16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

No man could have laid this foundation 1 Cor 3:11

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Next, the Preacher should know When this foundation was Laid by The Eternal Jehovah !! When was this Foundation, which is Christ, and which the Salvation of Zion [The Church] depends ? Scripture informs us that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb Slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8, so this foundation was laid before the the world began because of this it's support verse 1 Pet 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Now in Eternity Past, Christ the Foundation Stone was laid in the Eternal Counsels of the Everlasting Covenant, Where he was the Designated Surety Lamb Shepherd for the Sheep. At this Unknown Time the Triune Jehovah determined that the Zion of God, the Church, comprised of Chosen men and women of every tribe, nation, and tongue, should be Eternally Redeemed by the Person and Work, of the Chief Cornerstone, Christ Jesus the Lord ! These things should be included in the Gospel of Christ !

beloved57
January 10th, 2012, 04:13 AM
In a previous post, I asked the question:


As Surety, when did He officially take on the Legal responsibility of their sins ?

The answer is, it was before the foundation of the World, when He Covenanted as Surety in the agreement of the Everlasting Covenant. That is when Christ became Legally liable for the Sins of the World He was to die for. And as a result of that, God was not able to impute sin to that world, because of the Suretyship of It's Shepherd ! So Paul writes 2 Cor 5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

How could God justly impute sin to a world that He imputed their sins to Christ for Him to die in its Place ? God's Justice and Righteousness will not allow it. So everyone in this particular World in view in 2 Cor 5:19, not one of them ever legally had sin imputed to their charge.

Paul describes them in Two Places #1 Rom 4:8

8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

#2 Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

God legally Justified this World of the Elect When he Purposed in the Eternal Counsels of the Everlasting Covenant, to lay its sins on the charge of it's Covenant Head and Surety, the Lord Jesus Christ. Now God is not fickle minded like us, Once He determined to Punish the Surety for the Sheep's Sins, then the Sheep are exonerated ! They owe nothing to God's Law and Justice, but only does their Surety, He must Pay with His Life ! And that was the Purpose of His Coming into the World, to pay the debt He owed to God;'s Law and Justice, for the Sheep ! Jn 10:11

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

beloved57
January 10th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Paul said Acts 20:21

21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

The word testifying here is the greek word diamartyromai and means:
to testify

a) earnestly, religiously to charge

2) to attest, testify to, solemnly affirm

a) to give solemn testimony to one

b) to confirm a thing by testimony, to testify, cause it to be believed

Notice, it means cause it to be believed !

Remember Paul said to the Thessalonians 2 Thess 1:10

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Was believed is Passive voice, so was caused to believe !

Also, 1 Cor 1:6

Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

The Testimony of the Gospel is what was confirmed in them !

The Testimony of the Gospel is made sure in all for whom Christ died, they will be caused to believe it ! That is also what Paul means here 1 Tim 2:6

6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

All for whom Christ was a ransomed for, shall have the Testimony of it confirmed in them by the Gospel, the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13

Consequently, this turns them from their idols, to belief in the Truth. 1 Thess 1:4-9

4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

5For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

6And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

7So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.

8For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.

9For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

Note vs 6 How they received the word with Joy of the Holy Ghost ! That proves they had been born of the Spirit in order to receive the word with Joy of the Holy Ghost, Two of His Fruits were made evident, Faith and Joy Gal 5:22

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

lets add longsuffering as well, since Paul said they received it [the word] with much affliction !

The Apostle's Preached Faith and Repentance as commandments to every Born Again sinner to make evident their Sonship, their calling and Election, which they had a right to because they had been born of God Jn 1:12-13

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Gurucam
January 10th, 2012, 05:07 PM
Beware!


A Christian is any human who is led into his works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for him to pray for, say and do as discerned, in real time, all the time,through his own heart or spirit. This is discerned directly from the Spirit within his own heart or spirit. To be led into one's works in this manner is to be under grace of God. One under grace of God do not have trials. Grace is the end of all trials. To be under grace is to be in God's heaven on earth.

However do not be thrown by this information. Fact is that very few (in and out of traditional Christianity) have achieved Grace of God. Jesus did say that many are called but few chosen. Seems that people achieve varying levels of Grace of God. Yet it is not that grace of God is elusive. It is simply that the technique for achieving Grace of God has been eroded and eventually lost under the domination of Christianity by Peter and his descendants. Jesus did say that many false prophets will come in His name and misguide many.

However, rest assured that the technique for coming into grace of God is well recorded in the KJV N.T. The problem is that the technique for coming under Grace of God was undermined and denied by Peter and his descendants who were essentially Satan and they controlled what passed for Christianity for the past 2000 odd years. Peter who was identified to be Satan by Jesus in early days was given the commission for the people like himself. Peter was given the commission for the unaware who must be under the gospel of circumcision. The gospel of circumcision is righteousness of God under the law (i.e. the Ten Commandments). This is not the Christian commission. This is a remade Moses-ian commission. This is for the very great masses of people who were not and are not yet given by God to know Truth. These masses of people are just like those who Moses led back then. These kind of people still existed when Jesus was physically on earth. They continue to exist on earth up to this day.

At that time those who were given by God to know Truth were very few. In fact these few were Jesus' disciples. Up to this day there are still few of them on earth.

It was quire simple. Those who were not given by God to know Truth were given the gospel of circumcision under Peter. This is Jesus' Moses-ian church. Those who were given by God to know Truth were given the gospel of un-circumcision under Paul. This is Jesus Christian church. These are two different churches. One is seen and the other unseen. One is physically manifested and the other not physically manifested. One under physically/intellectually discernible ideals, laws and canons like the Ten Commandments and the other under the intuitively discerned, unseen Spirit of Jesus.

Peter's and Paul's commission were and are different. Christianity was given to Paul under the gospel of un-circumcision. The Gospel of un-circumcision is righteousness of God without the law. Peter and his descendants literally ripped away and stole Christianity from Paul. Then they very erroneously projected that both the gospel of circumcision and the gospel of un-circumcision were the same.

Peter and his descendants claimed and continue to claim, that both gospels were the gospel of circumcision. So they effectively banished the gospel of un-circumcision. The gospel of un-circumcision is the gospel of Grace of God. Therefore Peter and his descendant effectively banished the gospel of Grace for those seeking same from traditional Christianity. To this day that very erroneous belief (that both gospel are the same) is held and upheld to be a truth in Christianity, Peter's style. And indeed peter determined Christianity for all the world. Herein lay the cause for many being called but few being chosen for all of the past 2000 odd years. Peter and his descendants were the stream of false prophets who came in Jesus name and have been dominating what passed for Christianity for the past 2000 odd years and have been misguiding many. This is why so few are under Grace of God among aspiring Christians. This is why so few, from among the many called to Christianity, have achieved God's kingdom of heaven on earth.

This is why when one introduces a 'please pray for me' thread, most every one who call themselves Christian hit that thread with pray requests. And endless sufferings are related by them, among them.

Fact is that it is the birth right of every Christan to naturally and spontaneously create and live in God's kingdom of heaven on earth currently. No prays necessary. If this is not your living reality, you are not Christian although you are called Christian.

Yet you can be Christians if you embrace Truth and is led by Truth as discerned from the Spirit of Jesus within your own heart or spirit and drop Peter and company like hot potatoes, now before it is to late. Then you will be under grace of God. Then God's heaven will enter your life, rest assured or you will enter God's heaven, which ever.

beloved57
January 16th, 2012, 06:56 AM
Rom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The word revealed is the greek word apokalyptō:


to uncover, lay open what has been veiled or covered up

a) disclose, make bare

2) to make known, make manifest, disclose what before was unknown

The Gospel, to those believing, discloses something to them that was previously unknown to them.

That which was made known to them was the Righteousness of God. They had it made known to them, that Christ had been made sin for them, that they may be made the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21

21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Until this is made known, we as the self righteous jews did, go about to establish a righteousness of our own by our works Rom 10:3

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

This word ignorant means:

to be ignorant, not to know

2) not to understand, unknown

3) to err or sin through mistake, to be wrong

It means something is unknown, not to know !

But when God sends someone the Gospel, it is to reveal to them, make known to them, that they have already a Righteousness given them by imputation, because of what Christ has done. They are made to understand that they need not to work for Righteousness, but , that they have a Righteousness, and they believe this fact by God given Faith !

So the Truth is this, everyone Christ died for, for whom He was made sin for 2 Cor 5:21, they all have a Unknown Righteousness of God or a Justification before God, and this is even before they are born sinners, dead in trespasses and sins. God will in His own decreed time, send to each vessel of Mercy, the Gospel, in order to make known to them, that they have a Righteousness of God, freely imputed to them, and thereby they receive it by God given Faith. Thats why Paul said in Phil 3:9

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

What does Paul mean by"but that which is through the Faith of Christ" ? He is talking about that imputed Righteousness which is given to all whom Christ in His obedience unto death [Phil 2:8] was made sin [ a Sin Offering] in behalf of 2 Cor 5:21

21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Al for whom this is True of, they have a Unknown Righteousness of God already charged to their account; and God will send them the Good News of it, for that's the Gospel of their Salvation..

beloved57
January 16th, 2012, 09:02 AM
All those who already have the Imputed Righteousness laid to their charge or account, become Believers. You see, scripture states that the Just shall live by Faith or become believers !

Thats what Paul teaches Rom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Now, who are the Just ? The greek word for Just is dikaios and means:

righteous, observing divine laws

It is translated righteous 41 times in the NT to include here Rom 5:19

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Everyone Christ died for, for thats His " obedience of One here" shall be made Righteous or made Just, and so, they shall be made believers or to Live by Faith [same thing] ! Thats the promise here Rom 1:17

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

You see, those who had the Righteousness of God revealed to them by the Gospel, they shall be Live by Faith or simply put, become Believers. So everyone and only those whom unknowingly have the Imputed Righteousness laid to their Charge or Account because of the obedience of Christ on their behalf, become Believers !

beloved57
January 16th, 2012, 03:48 PM
To All whom have Imputed Righteousness charged to their account, all those who did not have sin imputed to them 2 Cor 5:19

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

To all these Righteousness was Imputed to them in exchange of their sins being imputed to Christ so He could be made an Offering for them vs21 !

Thats why it is ridiculous for the man of sin ministers and followers to attempt to use 2 Cor 5:19 as a text that teaches that Christ died for everyone without exception, for the simple reason, all those of this world in 2 Cor 5:19, God does not count their sins against them, and they will never come into condemnation, so quite reasonably these here could not be part of that world Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now, back to that World of 2 Cor 5:19, they all have had Christ's Righteousness laid to their charge, and so these will have the Gospel sent to them with good news based upon imputed Righteousness, from the obedience of Christ on their behalf, and to these God gives Faith so that they can have a subjective experience of it in their consciousness !

beloved57
February 8th, 2012, 06:00 AM
The Gospel is a manifestation of the formation of the Redemption of God's Elect, and the actual achievement of it by Jesus Christ, and so it's also known as the Wisdom of God in a Mystery 1 Cor 2:7

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

The Gospel is the Wisdom of God in a Mystery, and for it to be Believed it must be spiritually discerned !

Eph 1:17

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

beloved57
February 19th, 2012, 03:32 AM
Lk 24:45-48

45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48And ye are witnesses of these things.

When Jesus said to His Disciples, that Repentance and Remission of sins should be preached in His Name, He did not mean that men and women better repent or else; No but He is saying that Repentance and Remission of Sins are benefits because of His Person and Work. These [Repentance and Remission of sins, the Knowledge of] upon all those He died for, which was not everyone without exception, but His Chosen people Israel Acts 5:31

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Note: These are the same Two Blessings Jesus speaks of in Lk 24:47

And they are said to be GIVEN by Him to a specific People in Acts 5:31; And this Israel of Acts 5:31 was not the Physical Israel of Ethnicity, but a Spiritual Israel of All Nations, that included some Gentiles Acts 11:18

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

To make Repentance a condition to Salvation is a perversion of the Truth of the Gospel. Some say, does not Jesus say here Lk 13:3

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Yes indeed Jesus said that, however, that does not detract from the Gospel Truth that Christ, as Saviour from His Throne, gives Repentance unto Life to His Chosen Acts 5:31, In other words, Jesus is saying, Yes but unless I give you Repentance as Your Saviour, ye shall likewise perish !

beloved57
March 16th, 2012, 07:56 AM
Any True God sent Gospel preacher can not and will not fail to present a order of Gospel to include The Eternal and Unconditional Election of the Church in Christ the Chosen Seed before the world began. Christ being the Chosen Head and Mediator of His Members of His Chosen Body; hence He and they being all of One Heb 2:11

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

When rehearsing the Gospel this is foundational ! For no other foundation can be laid other than that of Jesus Christ 1 Cor 3:11

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Eph 2:20

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

beloved57
April 11th, 2012, 07:19 AM
The work of the Godhead in the saving of God's Elect is summed up here 1 Pet 1:1-2

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

All Three beings of the One Godhead at work fulfilling their respective covenantal roles in the salvation and conversion of each Elect !

The Foreknowledge of God the Father, The obedience unto death and sprinkling of blood of the Son, The High Priest, and the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, who sets apart one unto belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13 !

No one has any business preaching the Gospel without this Understanding of all Three Beings saving Elect sinners, this was commanded by Christ to His disciples to be Taught, to baptize with this Teaching Matt 28:19-20

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

How can this be ? How can we baptize in the Name of the Father, If we do not know His Role in Salvation, or the Son if we do not know His Role in Salvation and the Holy Ghost or Spirit if we are ignorant to His Role in saving a Soul ? These are to be Taught in the Gospel ! 2 Tim 1:9-11

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

beloved57
April 21st, 2012, 05:47 PM
In order to believe the Gospel, it must first be revealed to us, as Paul said Gal 1:11-12

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

If Christ's Righteousness has been charged to our account, then the Gospel must reveal it to us Rom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein[The Gospel] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Lets read Col 1:24-29

24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery [The Gospel] which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

29Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Rom 16:25

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Eph 6:19

And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Now it is not even possible for the natural man, the unregenerate man, to receive the Gospel Mystery. This is why one must be born again to receive the Truth of the Gospel, to believe it ! God only makes it manifest or reveals it to His Saints, those sanctified by the Spirit of God unto belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13 !

beloved57
April 23rd, 2012, 06:07 AM
That God only Reveals His Special Redemptive Blessings to some is seen in the OT scriptures, for they were written for the Saints, the Set apart ones in the NT , Now Paul writing to the Church, both jew and gentile believers writes: Rom 15:4

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our [Jew and Gentile Believers]learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Now it is written Ps 147:19-20

19He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

20He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

This Particular Redemption, Unconditional Election, Reprobation. It's like when Jesus told His Church Matt13:11

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

The Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven is none other than the Gospel Mysteries. Now Jesus pointedly states that to some it is not given to them to Know, not now nor ever !

Jesus says " but to them[Non Elect] it is not given" which is in the perfect tense in the original, so its a forever settled matter !

beloved57
April 24th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Election in Christ before the foundation of the world is a Gospel Truth Eph 1:4, for Paul is writing here nothing less or different from the Gospel of God's Grace, of which He preached Christ Acts 20:24

24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry which I have received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the Gospel of the grace of God., and this beginning in Eph 1:1-6 being nothing but a rehearsal. This Election was not merely prospective of individuals in time, but of actual and existing persons, as members of the Elected Head, Jesus Christ. We do believe that Christ through the inspired David reveals this Truth, though David himself may be referring to his actual physical body members, Yet Christ to His members that constitute His Spiritual Seed in Him, now observe Ps 139:16

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being imperfect; and in Thy book all my members were written, which in continuity were fashioned, when as yet there were none of them.

Thy Book no doubt is God the Father's Foreknowledge of His members, and the Lambs book of Life, which all His members [ the Church Heb 12:23], these are the foreknown in oppose to these that will shortly hear these words "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.'" For you were never written in my book as one of my members !

beloved57
April 24th, 2012, 07:12 PM
Now these , the Election of Grace, were Chosen in Christ before the world began, before Adam was formed from the dust. The Elect are a chosen spiritual seed given Christ before the world began. Election must needs be Eternal, because it's Surety is From Everlasting, for Christ, the Wisdom of God, as Surety Head of His Church, was setup from Everlasting Prov 8:22-31 vs 23

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

Now if the Bridegroom Christ is from Everlasting, so must be the Bride, since he who was typical [Adam] had his bride actually existing in him when he brought forth from the dust Rom 5:14, also Paul associates Adam and Eve with Christ and the Church, as a Gospel Mystery Eph 5:30-32

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

This is part of the Gospel that Paul Preached as Revealed to him for Jesus Christ to preach ! Gal 1:11-12

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

beloved57
April 25th, 2012, 04:07 AM
It is certain that one cannot preach the Gospel without naming and recognizing all three Beings of the Godhead at work for the Salvation of the Elect.

We acknowledge the Father's Election 1 Thess 1:3-4,10

3Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.


The Son's deliverance : vs 10

10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

BTW, the same Jesus of Matt 1:21 who shall save His People from their sins, so these Thessalonians are of that People, which are jew and gentile !

We also have the Spirit's application vs 5-6

5For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

6And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

God must receive all the Credit for the Salvation of souls in Preaching the Gospel !

beloved57
May 4th, 2012, 08:12 AM
Not only is Unconditional Election of the Children of God an Essential Doctrine of the Mystery of the Gospel, but indeed so is Predestination of all things and whatsoever comes to pass ! This doctrine was proclaimed in Peter's very first sermon to the Church Acts 2:23

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Acts 4:28

28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

These gospel doctrines are joined together in scripture, i.e Rom 8:28-30, Eph 1:3-6. Paul here in these passages is explaining, going over Truths of The Gospel of God's Grace, and yes, in case none of you knew before, know now that Eph 1:3-11 is Essential Gospel Truth ! Those are Truth's, once revealed to one, that constitutes the Gospel of their Salvation by the Sovereign Grace of God ! However when the beams of Gospel light shines through Preaching, the natural mind of darkness, comprehends them not, because they are spiritually discerned Jn 1:5

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Until one is born from above, they are darkness Eph 5:8

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Those false teachers who claim one can receive and embrace the Gospel as unregenerate, contradict this Teaching, they actually Teach that darkness did comprehend the Light of the Gospel !

beloved57
May 8th, 2012, 09:03 PM
Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The Gospel of your Salvation or the Gospel of the Salvation of you !

Those who have been saved by Christ, and regenerated by the Spirit, God sends them the Gospel of their Salvation, this is because they are saved, for God does not deceive , for God does not send a People the Word of their Salvation [ Acts 13:26], and yet that person or persons be in a lost state ! For quite frankly, the Gospel is hid to them that are Lost [ 2 Cor 4:3]

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The second hid is in the greek a Perfect Tense, It has been hid from them once and for all in the past with effects up into the present, God never sends them the Gospel as a word of their Salvation, because they are Lost forever !

The Gospel comes to those who are being saved in the present tense Per 1 Cor 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish[lost] foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Saved here is in the present tense, and passive voice here, they are being saved, they are passive !

The Gospel comes to the saved individual and they hear it [spiritually] and Trust and or Believe. Its not a decision time at all, but they are Enlightened of an spiritual reality ! See Lk 2:32 !

Those who teach Eph 1:13 as one having to meet a condition to get saved, such as faith, are perverting the scriptures and Truth of God to their own destruction !

beloved57
May 12th, 2012, 08:24 PM
1 Pet 1:2-5

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

In this passage we see Gospel Truth, limited and particular redemption of the elect of God, by the blood of Christ, which brings about the experimental sanctification by the Spirit, and this begets hope, attested by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and preservation of this hope to the end, by the Power of God, this hope being set forth in the Gospel Col 1:23

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

beloved57
May 13th, 2012, 05:20 PM
Rom 1:16

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

When Paul speaks here of the Gospel being the Power of God unto everyone who is believing, He is not speaking of the preached word only, but as it [The Gospel] comes in power, in the Holy Ghost, and much assurance to the regenerated Heart, converting !

1 Thess 1:5

For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

When those who hear the Gospel and began believing it, it is then we know it came with power and the Holy Ghost !

beloved57
May 22nd, 2012, 09:23 AM
2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

We have here the Key Elements of Truth that form the Everlasting Gospel, according to the Eternal Purpose of God in Christ Jesus.

Rev 14:6

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Eph 3:11


11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: Note: This Eternal Purpose is the Gospel message also !

Now understanding this Truth dispels with many many false gospels that pervade the world today, such perverted gospels as that , Grace is offered, or made available to all without exception. This is grave error, for those saved by Grace in the Time state, meaning conversion Titus 2:11ff, was given to them in Christ Jesus, their Mediator, before the World Began, and at not time is an offer !

beloved57
June 1st, 2012, 10:00 AM
Preach to you the forgiveness of sins !

Acts 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

The word preached here is the word kataggellō


to announce, declare, promulgate, make known

2) to proclaim publicly, publish

3) to denounce, report, betray

God through the preaching of His servants was making known, reporting to them Christ had died for, the forgiveness of their sins.

They were not making a offer of forgiveness to anyone who would meet conditions, thats a false Gospel, but through Preaching, He makes known the good news to them Jesus Christ did redeem by His Blood, the forgiveness of their sins Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

These things we do not know until God makes them known through Preaching ! And then Faith comes by Hearing, Hearing the Word of God. The Word of God makes known the forgiveness of our sins according to the riches of His Grace, displayed through the man Jesus Christ ! Those who teach an condition is required of men whom Christ died for and redeemed by His Blood, before they have remission or forgiveness of sins, they are teaching another Gospel, preaching another Gospel !

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beloved57
June 3rd, 2012, 02:48 PM
2 Tim 1:8-10

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Paul here tells Timothy or rather reminds him that all whom are saved in time, that are saved by Grace through Faith, that they were given this Eternal Salvation in Christ before the World Began. For God had Purposed it, and gave us Grace in Christ before the world began in order to experience in time ! In other words the Grace that doth save the Elect in time Eph 2:5-8

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

That Grace here in Eph 2:8 was actually given to us in Christ 2 Tim 1:9 before the world began !

Its the Grace of our Election in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

The same Grace as in 2 Tim 1:9

This is the Gospel Paul encouraged Timothy to be partakers of the afflictions of the Gospel 2 Tim 1:8 !