ECT Did the census and the zealot revolt exist?

Interplanner

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The 2P2P literalists and experts and biblicists and imams tell us that if it didn't happen in the bible then it is not real and it is a sin to think about it, like lusting after a woman.

so then we come to the problem of the census in Lk 2. Now, as you can see, it didn't happen "in" the Bible. It happened off-stage. We never 'meet' a real census taker or hear any details, so it can't be for real. It is sin. We can't say that it is a real event like John Baptising Jesus, because it is a sin.

So then in Acts 5 some guy who is not a Christian or an apostle is talking and mentions the census. Not only does he mention the census, he mentions a major revolt in Israel starting from the Galileans, and all the mess, also during the days of the census. But it's sin to think about it according the 2P2P experts. Because it is not really "in" the Bible. It's "in" history, and history is sin.

Holding up the whole christian world about 2 goats and a bull or about the great marvel that one of them departed for the wildernness is not sin, but the zealots fighting Rome--knowing anything about that--is like seriously gawking at a woman in a bathing pool across from the Bethlehem market.

Gosh, now the US is a sin because it happened "outside" the Bible and that turns everyone into a woman gazer. And Abraham Lincoln. and the Pope's hiring Ribera to redefine antichrist so the Protestants would have to stop being so mean, etc.

Thinking about the destruction of Jerusalem is therefore a sin and so all the people here at TOL who have ever thought about it are like porn-users of the days of old Judea, and must stop. Because even though it was mentioned off-stage in the Bible its not "in" it, so it has to be considered sin, and especially those who mention it. So is the guy who resembled Paul in Acts 21, but turned out to be an Egyptian in collusion with zealot forces or with the Idumeans who also wanted to bust the Roman hold on the Big Imperial Lake.
 

Interplanner

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I guess it is a toss up: either these things don't exist or it is wrong to inquire about them. Either way, to remove them from understanding the Bible is like removing Gandalf from LOTR.
 

Tambora

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Wonder how a census occurred without some folks taking the census?
 

Interplanner

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Your problem is that you believe things not written in the Bible OVER things that are written in the Bible.

Why would you do such a thing?


That's not quite what you mean. What you mean is that you believe things in the OT without reference to the NT and Christ on the same subject. I have shown you this over and over. You think it is 'biblical' to read the OT without, apart and in spite of what the NT says.

See Acts 2:30-32 for the most necessary example. Do you think David saw Christ's resurrection as THE ENTHRONEMENT? No, you spit and crap on that every time.
 

Nick M

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Your problem is that you believe things not written in the Bible OVER things that are written in the Bible.

Why would you do such a thing?

It is a popularity contest to be wise among men. Allow me to post from days gone by....

99% of evangelical believers would not have a problem with these defensible principles,
The vast majority of godly Christians have not heard of MAD. The best of conservative, biblical, evangelical scholarship rejects it if they have heard of it.
You confuse MAD with the Gospel. You have created a sect/cult around a specious view.
The vast majority of believers reject MAD or have never heard of it.
I am a servant of Christ who along with other giants in church history (Arminius, Wesley, etc.) see that Calvin, Augustine, Luther, etc. were not right about everything (nor wrong about everything). Whitefield and Edwards may have been wrong and John Wesley right.

The majority of believers are probably not

The vast majority of Spirit-led believers for 2000 years reject this recent.

It isn't what Paul said, it is what IP said. He probably thinks he is a "giant in church history" like 'rulz.
 

Interplanner

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Do you guys also play toys with Wilberforce? He was a contemporary of Holford.

Show me how history is not a joke, if you can.
 

Interplanner

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This might help RD realize what the background of 1st century Judea was like, a summary of which I recently gave he called crap.
 

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This might help RD realize what the background of 1st century Judea was like, a summary of which I recently gave he called crap.
It might help IP to believe the truth and quit telling fairy tales as if they are the truth.

Quit VAGUELY referring to POSTS that you could just as well QUOTE so that your AMBIGUITY can be properly addressed.
 

Interplanner

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It might help IP to believe the truth and quit telling fairy tales as if they are the truth.

Quit VAGUELY referring to POSTS that you could just as well QUOTE so that your AMBIGUITY can be properly addressed.





What is unclear about the OP? The D'ist friends here treat these things as thought they never happened because 'they aren't in the Bible.' Or they go sideways like Tam and ask 'how can a census be taken when no one is taking it?' which is a masterful way of avoiding the embarrassing question about how D'ism is put together.

You can always go back and read past posts, you know. I can't do that for you.
 
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