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bob b
February 14th, 2006, 01:38 PM
From creationsafaris:


Life Didn’t Start on Hot Clay 02/13/2006
Strike off one more proposal for the origin of life. “Darwin’s warm pond theory tested,” announced the BBC News, but it was found wanting.
Origin of life researchers have long recognized the serious problem of concentrating organic molecules in a primordial soup such that they could interact and grow. A popular ingredient in the mix in recent years has been clay. Some suggested that organic molecules could adhere to the surfaces of clay minerals and thereby get close enough to join hands. Rather than occurring in the open ocean, they suggested this process might occur in hot springs or at deep sea vents.
David Deamer (UC Santa Cruz) has revealed a difficulty with this proposal; “in our experiments,” he said, “the organic compounds became so strongly held to the clay particles that they could not undergo any further chemical reactions.” That appears to bring the clay scenario to a dead end. “The results are surprising and in some ways disappointing. It seems that hot acidic waters containing clay do not provide the right conditions for chemicals to assemble themselves into ‘pioneer organisms.’” Deamer is not ruling out the “warm little pond” scenario completely, but his findings dash cold water on hot springs or hydrothermal vents.
The results, not yet published, were presented at an international meeting at the Royal Society to discuss the latest ideas on the origin of life. About 200 were in attendance. Organizer Ian Smith (U of Cambridge) explained the reason for the conference: “Understanding how life emerged on Earth within 1,000 million years of its formation is both a fascinating scientific problem and an essential step in predicting the presence of life elsewhere in the Universe.” Nevertheless, the BBC stated, “While our understanding of the world is rapidly increasing, the answer to how life began on Earth remains elusive.”

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Nineveh
February 14th, 2006, 01:48 PM
I'm :shocked:

... no, not really :)

hatsoff
February 14th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Hmm. No hot springs, then. Still, I bet within my lifetime they'll nail it down.

Nineveh
February 14th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Hmm. No hot springs, then. Still, I bet within my lifetime they'll nail it down.

If you don't mind me asking, what is the reason for the hope that is in you?

fool
February 14th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Got a link to the article?
Thanks.

2ephesians8
February 14th, 2006, 10:53 PM
"That appears to bring the clay scenario to a dead end."

No surprises here.

GuySmiley
February 14th, 2006, 10:55 PM
Life Didn’t Start on Hot Clay 02/13/2006

You know bob, the article is wrong, life did begin from clay! ;)

fool
February 14th, 2006, 11:08 PM
You know bob, the article is wrong, life did begin from clay! ;)
Excellent point.
Also, the article says that the experiment didn't rule clay out. Don't overlook that.

fool
February 14th, 2006, 11:11 PM
"That appears to bring the clay scenario to a dead end."

No surprises here.
Quote miner!
You forgot this;
" Deamer is not ruling out the “warm little pond” scenario completely, but his findings dash cold water on hot springs or hydrothermal vents."
Is there any other warm water in that narrow little world of yours?

bob b
February 15th, 2006, 06:02 AM
And the best quote from this thread was:


If you don't mind me asking, what is the reason for the hope that is in you?