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truthteller86
August 9th, 2005, 08:47 PM
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Jessica Simpson's Outrageous Comment
Jessica Simpson may be as well known for her ample bosom as she is for her singing. Face it, it's her physical assets more than her talent that she showed off in "The Dukes of Hazzard." And that has tongues wagging: Are they real? Jess has an answer to that.

Jessica is fighting back against the accusations that her breasts have been enhanced. In an eyebrow-raising statement, Jessica told Britain's Sky News, "Mine are definitely real. At school, my boobs were bigger than all my friends and I was afraid to show them. Now, I feel they make my outfits look better. They're like an accessory." An accessory?

Still, it must be a trial for her since she is so shy. Or, at least that's what she says. "I am very shy. There are things Daisy does that I could never do," Jessica claimed to Sky News. Hmmm....so all those sexy dance moves and skimpy little outfits aren't the real Jessica?

Even her daddy, the former Baptist minister, has had to jump to her defense when her video, "These Boots Were Made for Walkin'" raised the ire of a religious group who thought a preacher's kid should wear more clothing. Papa Joe wouldn't sit still for that and said, "When we were in church work, they (my daughters) wore bikinis and short shorts. People in the church got mad at me then, but we believe that what's in the heart is more important than what's on the outside."


Emphasis Mine.
So much for "Train up a child in the way he[she] should go..." huh?

Lucky
August 9th, 2005, 08:55 PM
It could be worse. He could of said his daughters' bikini-clad physical assests were good for bringing in young men to evangelize to. There are some churches...

Ninjashadow
August 9th, 2005, 08:59 PM
It could be worse. He could of said his daughters' bikini-clad physical assests were good for bringing in young men to evangelize to. There are some churches...

If they do that, they might as well give out free porn and then preach to those boys whom they give it to and tell them to repent for looking at it.

truthteller86
August 9th, 2005, 09:10 PM
If they do that, they might as well give out free porn and then preach to those boys whom they give it to and tell them to repent for looking at it.
:chuckle:

Hasan_ibn_Sabah
August 9th, 2005, 09:18 PM
God blessed Jessica Simpson with hotness, I see nothing wrong in celebrating God's blessings

wholearmor
August 9th, 2005, 11:10 PM
If "What's in the heart is more important than what's on the outside," then why reveal more of what's on the outside than what's in the heart?

Knight
August 9th, 2005, 11:14 PM
If "What's in the heart is more important than what's on the outside," then why reveal more of what's on the outside than what's in the heart?:ha: :up:

Zimfan
August 9th, 2005, 11:16 PM
If "What's in the heart is more important than what's on the outside," then why reveal more of what's on the outside than what's in the heart?

I imagine because what's on the outside will sell far more movie/concert tickets than a good heart or talent, unfortunate as that may be.

wholearmor
August 9th, 2005, 11:22 PM
I imagine because what's on the outside will sell far more movie/concert tickets than a good heart or talent, unfortunate as that may be.

Bingo.

Zimfan
August 9th, 2005, 11:25 PM
Bingo.

It kind of makes you wonder what kind of "church work" required that kind of dress. When the high school girls in my neighborhood dress like that for some kind of fundraising, it usually involves convincing young men paying $10+ for a poorly done car wash.

wholearmor
August 9th, 2005, 11:29 PM
It kind of makes you wonder what kind of "church work" required that kind of dress. When the high school girls in my neighborhood dress like that for some kind of fundraising, it usually involves convincing young men paying $10+ for a poorly done car wash.

Bingo the sequel. (Can you tell I'm trying to :spam: my way to 10,000?) :chuckle: (As usual.)

Zimfan
August 9th, 2005, 11:32 PM
Bingo the sequel. (Can you tell I'm trying to :spam: my way to 10,000?) :chuckle: (As usual.)

In that case you should come to the Redneck's Clubhouse. That's where serious spamming gets done. :)

truthteller86
August 9th, 2005, 11:40 PM
.. When the high school girls in my neighborhood dress like that for some kind of fundraising, it usually involves convincing young men paying $10+ for a poorly done car wash.
$10. Just Great, the last time I paid for a poor car wash, it cost me $40 and it was from a dude.:madmad:

wholearmor
August 9th, 2005, 11:51 PM
In that case you should come to the Redneck's Clubhouse. That's where serious spamming gets done. :)

I got a coupla' posts there.

BillyBob
August 10th, 2005, 06:51 AM
Who is Jessica Simpson??? :confused:

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 06:53 AM
i don't really see anything wrong when i look at JS.

BillyBob
August 10th, 2005, 07:00 AM
Is she the chick who got caught lip synching on SNL last year? :singer:

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 07:02 AM
God blessed Jessica Simpson with hotness, I see nothing wrong in celebrating God's blessings

:thumb:

truthteller86
August 10th, 2005, 07:26 AM
Who is Jessica Simpson??? :confused:

Whatever you do, don't google it. You may be ther a while if you do.;)

BillyBob
August 10th, 2005, 07:28 AM
I better wait 'till later, then, I gotta get to work.

truthteller86
August 10th, 2005, 07:40 AM
i don't really see anything wrong when i look at JS.
With her or your looking? :noid:

Poly
August 10th, 2005, 08:09 AM
It kind of makes you wonder what kind of "church work" required that kind of dress. When the high school girls in my neighborhood dress like that for some kind of fundraising, it usually involves convincing young men paying $10+ for a poorly done car wash.

You have no idea what kind of sore spot this is with me. :mad:

We've been griping about it all summer as we do every summmer. Girls on the side of the road holding up signs for their car wash in a bikini top and some "shorts". How can these sponsors, coaches and parents sleep at night after being pimps for these kids? It especially blows my mind how fathers would allow their daughters to sell their bodies like this. Girls are being turned into prostitutes in order to raise a few bucks for some organization. :nono:

Balder
August 10th, 2005, 08:11 AM
Put that girl in a burkha.

death2impiety
August 10th, 2005, 08:17 AM
Who is Jessica Simpson??? :confused:

I think she's one of Homer Simpson's lesser known daughters...

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 08:22 AM
With her or your looking? :noid:

:idea:

Good point.

Both.

:crackup:

The Berean
August 10th, 2005, 08:45 AM
Even her daddy, the former Baptist minister, has had to jump to her defense when her video, "These Boots Were Made for Walkin'" raised the ire of a religious group who thought a preacher's kid should wear more clothing. Papa Joe wouldn't sit still for that and said, "When we were in church work, they (my daughters) wore bikinis and short shorts. People in the church got mad at me then, but we believe that what's in the heart is more important than what's on the outside."

I guess that's why he is a FORMER Baptist minister. :think:

Vaquero45
August 10th, 2005, 10:11 AM
What is on the inside of Jessica isn't making daddy rich. Daddy is a pimp. It's plain to see.

Jeff

GuySmiley
August 10th, 2005, 10:24 AM
You have no idea what kind of sore spot this is with me. :mad:
We've been griping about it all summer as we do every summmer. Girls on the side of the road holding up signs for their car wash in a bikini top and some "shorts". How can these sponsors, coaches and parents sleep at night after being pimps for these kids? It especially blows my mind how fathers would allow their daughters to sell their bodies like this. Girls are being turned into prostitutes in order to raise a few bucks for some organization. :nono:
I agree with you Poly. But just to make a conversation more interesting . . .

The muslem men make women wear burkha's because they cant control themselves apparently. The sight of a woman's wrist drives them wild (yes I'm exagerating). So modesty I think can be taken overboard. I am capable of controling myself when I see women's ankles and wrists, and even shoulders. So where do we draw the line? I think the bikini top and short shorts are over the top but, a T-shirt and shorts (depending on the shorts) I think are ok, even in church. At least I can control my actions even when I see a womans knees.

Poly
August 10th, 2005, 10:29 AM
What is on the inside of Jessica isn't making daddy rich. Daddy is a pimp. It's plain to see.


:up:


I agree with you Poly. But just to make a conversation more interesting . . .

The muslem men make women wear burkha's because they cant control themselves apparently. The sight of a woman's wrist drives them wild (yes I'm exagerating). So modesty I think can be taken overboard. I am capable of controling myself when I see women's ankles and wrists, and even shoulders. So where do we draw the line? I think the bikini top and short shorts are over the top but, a T-shirt and shorts (depending on the shorts) I think are ok, even in church. At least I can control my actions even when I see a womans knees.

Yes, it all has to do with modesty. Notice I specified that the thing that bothered me were the girls with the "barely there" clothes. If a girl is dressed appropriately (ufortunately what some feel appropriate is pretty sad), that's a different story.

Then we get off into a whole other subject of people sending their kids out to be beggars. :D

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 10:34 AM
if girls don't have a problem with being scantily clad and doing a half baked job of washing my car then I can't say there's anything wrong with it. they obviously aren't uncomfortable, you guys obviously are. sorry you don't feel comfortable with female bodies.

Delmar
August 10th, 2005, 10:35 AM
Is she the chick who got caught lip synching on SNL last year? :singer:
I think that was her sister Ashley.

Poly
August 10th, 2005, 10:36 AM
if girls don't have a problem with being scantily clad and doing a half baked job of washing my car then I can't say there's anything wrong with it. they obviously aren't uncomfortable, you guys obviously are. sorry you don't feel comfortable with female bodies.

So prostitution is ok as long as the prostitute doesn't have a problem with it. :doh:

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 10:39 AM
So prostitution is ok as long as the prostitute doesn't have a problem with it. :doh:

is that what i said? your definition of prostitution is exceptionally broad Poly, I'm talking about scantily clad females washing my car, I'm not talking about picking up hookers.

thanks for asking though, i was happy to clarify.

Jessica Simpson has got a fantastic body and she would be a fool to not show it off.

Poly
August 10th, 2005, 10:47 AM
is that what i said? your definition of prostitution is exceptionally broad Poly, I'm talking about scantily clad females washing my car, I'm not talking about picking up hookers.

thanks for asking though, i was happy to clarify.

Jessica Simpson has got a fantastic body and she would be a fool to not show it off.

Would you let your own daughter go out in a bikini to be checked out and lusted upon by guys coming up to her so she could wash their cars or advertise to have them washed? I'm guessing you would even encourage her by telling her that she'd be a fool not to show off her fantastic body for all those men.

Vaquero45
August 10th, 2005, 10:50 AM
if girls don't have a problem with being scantily clad and doing a half baked job of washing my car then I can't say there's anything wrong with it. they obviously aren't uncomfortable, you guys obviously are. sorry you don't feel comfortable with female bodies.

What makes me uncomfortable is that dad is defending and approving of his daughter being degraded to a piece of meat, while claiming to be Christian, and an ex-minister no less. Slutty girls are a dime a dozen, let the Pamela Andersons of the world handle supply this trash. I expect more from a "Christian" father. I'm more disgusted with him than I am the girl.

Jeff

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 10:52 AM
What makes me uncomfortable is that dad is defending and approving of his daughter being degraded to a piece of meat, while claiming to be Christian, and an ex-minister no less. Slutty girls are a dime a dozen, let the Pamela Andersons of the world handle supply this trash. I expect more from a "Christian" father. I'm more disgusted with him than I am the girl.

Jeff

How about letting parents be parents? It's his call, his perogative, and we're not Jessica's mother or father for crying out loud.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 10:56 AM
Would you let your own daughter go out in a bikini to be checked out and lusted upon by guys coming up to her so she could wash their cars or advertise to have them washed? I'm guessing you would even encourage her by telling her that she'd be a fool not to show off her fantastic body for all those men.

I don't have a daughter, until i do the best you and i can do is guess.

Poly
August 10th, 2005, 10:57 AM
One thing threads like this end up doing is make it clear around here who the men are and who the sickos are.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 10:59 AM
What makes me uncomfortable is that dad is defending and approving of his daughter being degraded to a piece of meat, while claiming to be Christian, and an ex-minister no less. Slutty girls are a dime a dozen, let the Pamela Andersons of the world handle supply this trash. I expect more from a "Christian" father. I'm more disgusted with him than I am the girl.

Jeff

It was her choice to market herself that way, and if you were to ask her she would probably adamantly disagree about her being degraded. she's being empowered. she has men fantasizing about her, she makes millions of dollars, her celebrity status is solid, she's made a success of herself and is flaunting it which is what anyone here would do if they were in either her shoes or a similar pair.

As for her father, he's probably her biggest fan and kudos to him for that. you're supposed to stick up for your children, not abandon them in exchange for intangible ideals.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 10:59 AM
2000th post.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 11:05 AM
It was her choice to market herself that way, and if you were to ask her she would probably adamantly disagree about her being degraded. she's being empowered. she has men fantasizing about her, she makes millions of dollars, her celebrity status is solid, she's made a success of herself and is flaunting it which is what anyone here would do if they were in either her shoes or a similar pair.

As for her father, he's probably her biggest fan and kudos to him for that. you're supposed to stick up for your children, not abandon them in exchange for intangible ideals.


Do you feel this way about Heidi Fleiss and her father?

Vaquero45
August 10th, 2005, 11:07 AM
How about letting parents be parents? It's his call, his perogative, and we're not Jessica's mother or father for crying out loud.

Encouraging his daughter to be a ho is wrong, for crying out loud. :)

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:08 AM
I understand women who claim Jessica and Company are being degraded; I simply disagree, that's all. Jessica is filthy rich, I ain't, and more power to her.

P.S. I do not believe the woman's got much talent, in the interest of full disclosure, but since when did that matter in this country?:rolleyes:

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:08 AM
Encouraging his daughter to be a ho is wrong, for crying out loud. :)

Not according to him. And considering he's the lady's father I'd say his opinion counts more than ours.

Vaquero45
August 10th, 2005, 11:10 AM
It was her choice to market herself that way, and if you were to ask her she would probably adamantly disagree about her being degraded. she's being empowered. she has men fantasizing about her, she makes millions of dollars, her celebrity status is solid, she's made a success of herself and is flaunting it which is what anyone here would do if they were in either her shoes or a similar pair.

As for her father, he's probably her biggest fan and kudos to him for that. you're supposed to stick up for your children, not abandon them in exchange for intangible ideals.

That's sick.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:14 AM
What about this SPECIFICALLY is so terrible? I'm being serious here. The woman has made a ton of money because she's attractive. We might disagree or disapprove but why in the world are some of you so up in arms?

What about sexuality is so frightful? I mean, it just strikes me as a mountain of a molehill. We're talking about JESSICA SIMPSON here, for crying out loud!

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 11:15 AM
That's sick.

Well, it's a free country so maybe you think that's sick too? and she's also stinkin' rich, maybe you think that's sick too? she's also absolutely gorgeous, is that sick too?

Rimi,


Do you feel this way about Heidi Fleiss and her father?

I don't know who they are.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 11:18 AM
It was her choice to market herself that way, and if you were to ask her she would probably adamantly disagree about her being degraded. she's being empowered. she has men fantasizing about her, she makes millions of dollars, her celebrity status is solid, she's made a success of herself and is flaunting it which is what anyone here would do if they were in either her shoes or a similar pair.

As for her father, he's probably her biggest fan and kudos to him for that. you're supposed to stick up for your children, not abandon them in exchange for intangible ideals.

She basically sells sex therefore she is a prostitute.

Poly
August 10th, 2005, 11:19 AM
I don't have a daughter, until i do the best you and i can do is guess.

I pray you never do have a daughter or any children if this is your attitude. Children are to have parents who look out for them, protect them and want to be good to them. Not a parent who says, "Well, we'll just have to wait and see if I'd let my daughter dress like a slut, encouraging her to show off her body so that she can be enjoyed by men."

You are one sick and twisted pervert.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:22 AM
I think everyone is really, really over-reacting here.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 11:27 AM
#1. She's not selling sex to anyone, she isn't even close to a prostitute.

#2. What's so bad about her being proud of her body? If I looked that good, I'd wanna show it off too.

She's a married woman who was always all about the good values, promoting waiting until marriage for sex, etc. There haven't been any really huge Jessica Simpson scandals. People are just looking for a scandal here, that's all. She's a beautiful young woman who has confidence in herself and her body, so she's showing a little skin, what is everyone so afraid of?

Hasan_ibn_Sabah
August 10th, 2005, 11:29 AM
Well, look at it this way people...Jessica is not the brightest bulb in the house...there is not much else the poor child could do for work but look hot.

Vaquero45
August 10th, 2005, 11:31 AM
What about this SPECIFICALLY is so terrible? I'm being serious here. The woman has made a ton of money because she's attractive. We might disagree or disapprove but why in the world are some of you so up in arms?

What about sexuality is so frightful? I mean, it just strikes me as a mountain of a molehill. We're talking about JESSICA SIMPSON here, for crying out loud!

I don't have any idea how to explain to someone who doesn't get it, that a father should not want his daughter to be a ho, and especially a Christian father should not be defending and approving of it. I have two daughters, I love them and I love God, maybe that is the difference. I think Mr. Simpson has let the bright lights and money corrupt his judgement. If he has any real Christian friends they should be telling him this.

Jeff

Vaquero45
August 10th, 2005, 11:33 AM
I think everyone is really, really over-reacting here.

This is TOL! We over-react about everything! :D

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:35 AM
It's odd (or maybe not) that an actress or celeb that makes a habit out of dressing provocatively, yet never does, say, nude scenes in film stirs up such a fuss while actresses who perform in downright grotesque sex scenes in movies don't make us bat an eyelid.

Take, for example, the lovely Jennifer Connelly, who was degraded in "Requiem for a Dream"; Diane Keaton, who hopped from partner to partner in "Looking for Mr. Goodbar"; or Madeline Stowe, who was tortured horrifically in "Closetland." I don't wish these movies on anyone (especially "Goodbar's" disco soundtrack: ugh). But each of these leading ladies, who endure graphic abuse in the course of these films, does far worse than Jessica Simpson ever has.

I guess it's only "bad" if you make a habit out of it...

Poly
August 10th, 2005, 11:35 AM
#1. She's not selling sex to anyone, she isn't even close to a prostitute.

#2. What's so bad about her being proud of her body? If I looked that good, I'd wanna show it off too.

She's a married woman who was always all about the good values, promoting waiting until marriage for sex, etc. There haven't been any really huge Jessica Simpson scandals. People are just looking for a scandal here, that's all. She's a beautiful young woman who has confidence in herself and her body, so she's showing a little skin, what is everyone so afraid of?

Oh silly little things like how it encourages girls to dress like whores and men to seduce or even rape women. It might mess up families by encouraging married men to commit adultry. But no biggie.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:37 AM
I don't have any idea how to explain to someone who doesn't get it, that a father should not want his daughter to be a ho, and especially a Christian father should not be defending and approving of it. I have two daughters, I love them and I love God, maybe that is the difference. I think Mr. Simpson has let the bright lights and money corrupt his judgement. If he has any real Christian friends they should be telling him this.

Jeff

The difference being, my man, that you think Jessica is a "ho" and I don't think she is at all.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:38 AM
Oh silly little things like how it encourages girls to dress like whores and men to seduce or even rape women. It might mess up families by encouraging married men to commit adultry. But no biggie.

Once again, I think this kind of attitude is just slightly overboard...

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 11:39 AM
I don't have any idea how to explain to someone who doesn't get it, that a father should not want his daughter to be a ho, and especially a Christian father should not be defending and approving of it. I have two daughters, I love them and I love God, maybe that is the difference. I think Mr. Simpson has let the bright lights and money corrupt his judgement. If he has any real Christian friends they should be telling him this.

Jeff


She's not being a "ho", it's not like she's off sleeping with an entire football team, she's just showing a little skin....we all have it, her's just looks better than most of ours. A woman should be able to dress however she wants to dress, if she wants to go out with duct tape covering the important parts, she can and it's nobody's business but her own. And Jessica Simpson is 25 years old, married, and a long time out of her father's house. Her father can't make her not dress a certain way and he loves her, she is his daughter, if people are getting angry with her for something as trivial as what shirt she is wearing, yes, he should defend her. It would be one thing if she was 13 years old and out there wearing that, then yeah, he should probably do something about it. But to call a man un-christian because he's defending his 25 year old daughter when people are throwing rotten tomatoes at her? It's just any excuse with you people isn't it?

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 11:40 AM
Oh silly little things like how it encourages girls to dress like whores and men to seduce or even rape women. It might mess up families by encouraging married men to commit adultry. But no biggie.


Oh yes, the evil that is brought on by jessica simpson's breasts.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:43 AM
Oh yes, the evil that is brought on by jessica simpson's breasts.

:shut:

GuySmiley
August 10th, 2005, 11:46 AM
#1. She's not selling sex to anyone, she isn't even close to a prostitute.

#2. What's so bad about her being proud of her body? If I looked that good, I'd wanna show it off too.

She's a married woman who was always all about the good values, promoting waiting until marriage for sex, etc. There haven't been any really huge Jessica Simpson scandals. People are just looking for a scandal here, that's all. She's a beautiful young woman who has confidence in herself and her body, so she's showing a little skin, what is everyone so afraid of?
So we've lowered the standard to: if you don't physically have sex for money, its ok. Geez! She promotes good values, etc. then does the 'boot are made for walking' video. So parents are duped into thinking she's a good role model for children. I have a daughter. I don't want her to dress like Jessica Simpson, or to think that wearing a bikini as small as the one JS wore in that video is acceptable. I dont want her to have JS as a role model. I don't want my daughter to 'show a little skin.' And I wouldn't characterize JS's video as 'showing a little skin.' Actually I've only seen short clips of the video on the news, to be honest. Maybe in 90% of the video she's conservatively dressed, yeah right.

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 11:47 AM
It's odd (or maybe not) that an actress or celeb that makes a habit out of dressing provocatively, yet never does, say, nude scenes in film stirs up such a fuss while actresses who perform in downright grotesque sex scenes in movies don't make us bat an eyelid.

Take, for example, the lovely Jennifer Connelly, who was degraded in "Requiem for a Dream"; Diane Keaton, who hopped from partner to partner in "Looking for Mr. Goodbar"; or Madeline Stowe, who was tortured horrifically in "Closetland." I don't wish these movies on anyone (especially "Goodbar's" disco soundtrack: ugh). But each of these leading ladies, who endure graphic abuse in the course of these films, does far worse than Jessica Simpson ever has.

I guess it's only "bad" if you make a habit out of it...Who among those who condemn Jessica Simpson (and her dad) ever said that that other stuff wasn't bad? What, we're only allowed to talk about an immodest celebrity who is currently very popular if we also list all of the other famous tramps from the past 30+ years? A thousand wrongs don't make a right.

(I have never seen any of the movies you mentioned, by the way, but I'll take your word for it that they are all filthy.)

erinmarie
August 10th, 2005, 11:48 AM
I have no problem with wearing a skimpy bikini to go swimming, or even to wash the car....But it's when the person wearing the skimpy bikini grinds on the sponge, and lies spread eagle on the car while holding a hose that I think it's gone too far. It's not just being proud of your body at that point. It's literally selling your body, and that's no different than a hooker on the corner!

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 11:52 AM
I pray you never do have a daughter or any children if this is your attitude. Children are to have parents who look out for them, protect them and want to be good to them. Not a parent who says, "Well, we'll just have to wait and see if I'd let my daughter dress like a slut, encouraging her to show off her body so that she can be enjoyed by men."

You are one sick and twisted pervert.

No offense, but i think you need to calm down a little bit.

Shimei:


She basically sells sex therefore she is a prostitute

basically? no, she doesn't sell sex, i looked up sexual intercourse at www.dictionary.com and that's not what she's doing at all, so don't try bending definitions according to your narrow minded subjective interpretation of reality.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 11:53 AM
Who among those who condemn Jessica Simpson (and her dad) ever said that that other stuff wasn't bad? What, we're only allowed to talk about an immodest celebrity who is currently very popular if we also list all of the other famous tramps from the past 30+ years? A thousand wrongs don't make a right.

(I have never seen any of the movies you mentioned, by the way, but I'll take your word for it that they are all filthy.)

Actually, Turbo, you misunderstand if you assume the movies were "filthy"; they are hard to watch but have redeeming qualities in their own way (although I don't think I could bring myself to watch them more than once; some stories are just too tough or unsettling).

Moreover, my point was that the actresses I mentioned are NOT criticized as tramps, merely because their one or two "gratuitous" or "explicit" scenes did not characterize their persona. However, what they have done on screen is more explicit than Jessica Simpson's work. I could provide other examples. Why is one criticized and the other overlooked? Just seems like a strange double standard.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 11:57 AM
Yes, don't let your young daughters dress like that, I wouldn't. But if my daughter was 25 years old, I'd have to accept that she's old enough to decide what she wants to wear and where she wants to wear it.

I don't see where everyone is getting that she's acting like a hooker or a prostitute....she's not sleeping with anyone but her husband....that makes for a huge difference between what Jessica Simpson is doing and what hookers do.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:00 PM
Oh silly little things like how it encourages girls to dress like whores and men to seduce or even rape women. It might mess up families by encouraging married men to commit adultry. But no biggie.

Name me one instance where someone was raped or adultery was committed because of Jessica Simpson's specific example.

Pepper, Granite, do you see these people freaking out? This is crazy!

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:04 PM
A woman should be able to dress however she wants to dress, if she wants to go out with duct tape covering the important parts, she can and it's nobody's business but her own.What if she doesn't want to wear anything over "the important parts." Is that still OK?
And Jessica Simpson is 25 years old, married, and a long time out of her father's house. Her father can't make her not dress a certain wayHe can't "make her not dress a certain way" anymore but that doesn't mean he should defend the way she dresses.

... and he loves her, she is his daughter, if people are getting angry with her for something as trivial as what shirt she is wearing, yes, he should defend her. No, if he loves her he should rebuke her.


‘You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Romans 12:9

Open rebuke is better
Than love carefully concealed. Proverbs 27:5


It would be one thing if she was 13 years old and out there wearing that, then yeah, he should probably do something about it.
Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6
But he didn't. He admits that he condoned her dressing like a tramp when she was living under his authority. Didn't you read the opening post?
"When we were in church work, they (my daughters) wore bikinis and short shorts. People in the church got mad at me then, but we believe that what's in the heart is more important than what's on the outside."

Mr. Simpson must think Paul was out of line when he wrote:


I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 1 Timothy 2:9-10

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 12:10 PM
but we believe that what's in the heart is more important than what's on the outside."

*shock* What a horrible thing to think! Everyone knows that what's on the outside is WAY more important than what's in the heart!


What if she doesn't want to wear anything over "the important parts." Is that still OK?

Well, not on MTV or on the streets....duh.


He can't "make her not dress a certain way" anymore but that doesn't mean he should defend the way she dresses.

OR maybe he loves and respects his daughter so much that he feels the way she dresses doesn't dictate who she is as a person and therefore defends her.




OH!!! Everyone....this just in.....Jessica Simpson showers without any clothes on! :shocked:

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 12:15 PM
:darwinsm:

(Clears throat.)

In all seriousness, people. This whole broohaha is bigger than Jess Simpson; it's indictive of a problem certain folks have with others.

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:21 PM
Well, not on MTV or on the streets....duh.Duh? You had just said that "A woman should be able to dress however she wants to dress." So that doesn't include total nudity in public (including television and hopefully other media)? Great! Why not?



OR maybe he loves and respects his daughter so much that he feels the way she dresses doesn't dictate who she is as a person and therefore defends her. Is it right to defend someone you love for doing something wrong?

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Well gee, Turbo, if her old man doesn't think it's wrong, that's entirely his right, is it not? You people are passing judgment on a man's opinion of his daughter. Good for you. Make sure your own houses are in order, all right?

There are bigger fish to fry...

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Duh? You had just said that "A woman should be able to dress however she wants to dress." So that doesn't include total nudity in public (including television and hopefully other media)? Great! Why not?


Is it right to defend someone you love for doing something wrong?

Turbo, maybe her father came to a realization that you haven't yet:

people are not walking bible targets.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 12:25 PM
Duh? You had just said that "A woman should be able to dress however she wants to dress." So that doesn't include total nudity in public (including television and hopefully other media)? Great! Why not?


Is it right to defend someone you love for doing something wrong?


Yeah, a woman should be able to dress however she wants to dress and I stand beside it. Obviously she can't walk around naked on the streets or MTV because that would be illegal.

Once again, she's just dressing a certain way. It would be a completely different story if he were defending her after she killed someone or something. But I don't believe she's doing anything wrong, and maybe he doesn't either.

With everything going on in the world today, y'all are sitting around freaking out over someone wearing a bikini in a music video. What is this world coming to anyway?


In all seriousness, people. This whole broohaha is bigger than Jess Simpson; it's indictive of a problem certain folks have with others.

:BRAVO:

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Well gee, Turbo, if her old man doesn't think it's wrong, that's entirely his right, is it not? You people are passing judgment on a man's opinion of his daughter. Good for you. Make sure your own houses are in order, all right?

There are bigger fish to fry...
Heaven forbid, if my daughter becomes a glorified stripper and I defend her for it (not to mention, profit from it), I should hope that the Christian community would be outraged with me too.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Allsmiles, Heidi Fleiss was a Hollyweird madam. Her dad wasn't famous for not defending her.

I'd suggest a Google, but I'm afraid what you'd find.

taoist
August 10th, 2005, 12:31 PM
I remember subbing in a Chicago high school at a predominantly Mexican school. What those gals would wear makes the Jessica Simpson look seem pretty tame. Oddly enough, it wasn't the old hags hiding cellulite that took the biggest umbrage to skintights and cleavage.

Nope, it was the gay male teachers!

It's all about competition and envy. And you can dress that up however you like.

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:32 PM
Yeah, a woman should be able to dress however she wants to dress and I stand beside it. Obviously she can't walk around naked on the streets or MTV because that would be illegal. So would it only be wrong because it's illegal?

If it became legal tomorrow, would it still be wrong?

Should that law remain in tact?

Or should it be done away with because it infringes upon a woman's right to dress (or not dress) as she pleases?

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:33 PM
Rimi,

Thanks for watching my back.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Shimei:



basically? no, she doesn't sell sex, i looked up sexual intercourse at www.dictionary.com and that's not what she's doing at all, so don't try bending definitions according to your narrow minded subjective interpretation of reality.

You looked up sexual intercourse in the dictionary? How old are you?

Selling sex is not just having sexual intercourse. It is selling your sexuality for money.
Try looking up prostitution.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:34 PM
What has Christians here in an uproar is the fact that Simpson & Co claim to be Christians and they do damage to all of us. Plus they lead the weak of the "flock" by intimating that it's OK for JS to dress like; she's a Christian and God knows the heart, blah blah blah. Christians are held to a higher standard by God and each other. JS and her father don't give a rip about what God has to say on modest dress. And it's not just her profession of belief nor her dress, but her conduct. She gyrates like a strip dancing whore.

Reminds me of some show interviewing little girls waiting to see their idol Jennifer Lopez. One little girl (with her mother) was asked to sing the lyrics to some song of Lopez's and the girl started singer and gyrating and grinding. And here I'd thought I'd seen everything. Nope. I was seeing a little 9 year old girl acting like a strip teaser and with mommy's loving approval. Puke-o-rama.

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:36 PM
With everything going on in the world today, y'all are sitting around freaking out over someone wearing a bikini in a music video. What is this world coming to anyway?Pepper, you're sitting around here too, defending the lady in the bikini.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 12:37 PM
So would it only be wrong because it's illegal?

If it became legal tomorrow, would it still be wrong?

Should that law remain in tact?

Or should it be done away with because it infringes upon a woman's right to dress (or not dress) as she pleases?


Sure...why not?

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:38 PM
What has Christians here in an uproar is the fact that Simpson & Co claim to be Christians and they do damage to all of us. Plus they lead the weak of the "flock" by intimating that it's OK for JS to dress like; she's a Christian and God knows the heart, blah blah blah. Christians are held to a higher standard by God and each other. JS and her father don't give a rip about what God has to say on modest dress. And it's not just her profession of belief nor her dress, but her conduct. She gyrates like a strip dancing whore.

You folks are wicked sensitive. welcome to the 21st century cave man.


Reminds me of some show interviewing little girls waiting to see their idol Jennifer Lopez. One little girl (with her mother) was asked to sing the lyrics to some song of Lopez's and the girl started singer and gyrating and grinding. And here I'd thought I'd seen everything. Nope. I was seeing a little 9 year old girl acting like a strip teaser and with mommy's loving approval. Puke-o-rama.

i'm sure it wasn't as bad as all that. someone as sensitive as you and so inclined to exaggerated emotional outbursts is probably inflating what you saw in your own head. i mean, you believe jesus turned water into wine, i'm sure your imagination is getting the better of you:)

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:38 PM
No offense, but i think you need to calm down a little bit.

Shimei:



basically? no, she doesn't sell sex, i looked up sexual intercourse at www.dictionary.com and that's not what she's doing at all, so don't try bending definitions according to your narrow minded subjective interpretation of reality.

WWWHHAAAAAAAAAAAT!

Hugh Hefner sells sex in ragmags, but there's no intercourse. You've likely heard the phrase "sex sells" yet you don't see intercourse in ads in mainstream mags and TV. Please don't act ignorant here.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Pepper, you're sitting around here too, defending the lady in the bikini.


Yes, the difference is, Y'all are so concerned about what she's wearing....my concern lies not in defending her, I'm on this thread because it's entertaining to see y'all running around like chickens with no heads about a girl wearing a bikini, it's better than the O.C. around here.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:40 PM
WWWHHAAAAAAAAAAAT!

Hugh Hefner sells sex in ragmags, but there's no intercourse. You've likely heard the phrase "sex sells" yet you don't see intercourse in ads in mainstream mags and TV. Please don't act ignorant here.

sorry, i got a little too specific for you folks when i insisted that prostitution was selling sexual intercourse, and seeing as how JS is faithful to Nick Lachey (?) and doesn't sell her body for sexual intercourse i didn't think she qualified as a prostitute. i'm having a hard time keeping up with you guys as you redefine words.

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Sure...why not?
Whatever is legal at any given time and place is right and whatever is illegal at any given time and place is wrong. Is that what you're saying?

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Whatever is legal is right and whatever is illegal is wrong. Is that what you're saying?

wicked broad stroke Turbo, that's not what she said at all.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:41 PM
You folks are wicked sensitive. welcome to the 21st century cave man.



i'm sure it wasn't as bad as all that. someone as sensitive as you and so inclined to exaggerated emotional outbursts is probably inflating what you saw in your own head. i mean, you believe jesus turned water into wine, i'm sure your imagination is getting the better of you:)


This from the guy who had to look up sexual intercourse. :dunce:

Well, it was as bad as that. This child was making moves that adults probably shouldn't be making, and it was considered adorable and cute. Disgusting. :down:

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 12:43 PM
Whatever is legal at any given time and place is right and whatever is illegal at any given time and place is wrong. Is that what you're saying?


No, what I was saying was that I was brushing off your comments. You're taking me way out of context.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:43 PM
sorry, i got a little too specific for you folks when i insisted that prostitution was selling sexual intercourse, and seeing as how JS is faithful to Nick Lachey (?) and doesn't sell her body for sexual intercourse i didn't think she qualified as a prostitute. i'm having a hard time keeping up with you guys as you redefine words.



Actually, you're the one who brought up the actual sex act. We're talking about her selling sex. Like a peep show. Surely you're family with those.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 12:43 PM
This from the guy who had to look up sexual intercourse. :dunce:

Well, it was as bad as that. This child was making moves that adults probably shouldn't be making, and it was considered adorable and cute. Disgusting. :down:


If you really believe that he had to look up sexual intercourse, than you're the one who's the :dunce: When he said that, he was using a little thing we in the real world like to call sarcasm.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 12:44 PM
I just find her depressing. She has been marketed by her father since she was child (mostly as a CCM artist). The family was nearly bankrupted by her inability to compete with her teen popstar counterparts (they owed millions to the studios and labels). The only thing that saved both hers and her families finances was her discovery that acting like an idiot on a reality TV program (and wearing fewer clothes) made for better sales. Like no one has ever thought of that before. I guess it is just discouraging, though to be fair, I wasn't buying her albums when she was singing christian songs either.

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:44 PM
wicked broad stroke Turbo, that's not what she said at all.
It sure looked that way, but I've given her the opportunity to clarify (or backpedal).

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 12:46 PM
Reminds me of some show interviewing little girls waiting to see their idol Jennifer Lopez. One little girl (with her mother) was asked to sing the lyrics to some song of Lopez's and the girl started singer and gyrating and grinding. And here I'd thought I'd seen everything. Nope. I was seeing a little 9 year old girl acting like a strip teaser and with mommy's loving approval. Puke-o-rama.


allsmells,
If the 9 year old were wearing a bikini while dancing like that, would that be ok with you? Yes or no?

erinmarie
August 10th, 2005, 12:47 PM
Yes, the difference is, Y'all are so concerned about what she's wearing....my concern lies not in defending her, I'm on this thread because it's entertaining to see y'all running around like chickens with no heads about a girl wearing a bikini, it's better than the O.C. around here.

You're doing all you can to simplify the situation as much as you're accusing others of exaggerating it.

I think the majority of people posting in this thread are not just concerned with what JS is wearing, it's that her father, a former pastor and professed Christian, is defending her lewd behavior, which she happens to be in a bikini while doing it.

Come on here! It's simple...her father's sad cause the church community is upset about his daughter's music video!!! Have you seen the video? It's almost enough to make you blush!

She's outrightly lewd in it, and not at all Christian-like. If she were wearing a suit it would still be inapproriate, it just makes it worse that's she's dressed in next to nothing!

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 12:47 PM
If you really believe that he had to look up sexual intercourse, than you're the one who's the :dunce: When he said that, he was using a little thing we in the real world like to call sarcasm.

That’s why there was a link to www.dictionary.com correct?

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:48 PM
Actually, you're the one who brought up the actual sex act. We're talking about her selling sex. Like a peep show. Surely you're family with those.

Actually, Poly brought up prostitution if memory serves, i simply responded to it because my understanding of prostitution is when sexual intercourse is sold.

Turbo:


It sure looked that way, but I've given her the opportunity to clarify (or backpedal).

She already did.

Didn't like my bible target comment?

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:48 PM
If you really believe that he had to look up sexual intercourse, than you're the one who's the :dunce: When he said that, he was using a little thing we in the real world like to call sarcasm.


Then it was misapplied and made his stance look even weaker. And yours. :loser:

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:50 PM
I just find her depressing. She has been marketed by her father since she was child (mostly as a CCM artist). The family was nearly bankrupted by her inability to compete with her teen popstar counterparts (they owed millions to the studios and labels). The only thing that saved both hers and her families finances was her discovery that acting like an idiot on a reality TV program (and wearing fewer clothes) made for better sales. Like no one has ever thought of that before. I guess it is just discouraging, though to be fair, I wasn't buying her albums when she was singing christian songs either.

Actually now that she and her family are incredibly successful, couldn't it be argued that your god is blessing them? I think I'm convinced...

...

Nah.

Shimei:


allsmells,
If the 9 year old were wearing a bikini while dancing like that, would that be ok with you? Yes or no?

Allsmells? Are you kidding?

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:51 PM
No, what I was saying was that I was brushing off your comments. You're taking me way out of context.
Why not just answer the simple yes-or-no questions? Were they too difficult for you?

You said that it would be wrong for a woman to wear nothing in public. I asked why. You said because it was illegal. I asked if it would be okay for a woman to wear nothin in public if it were legal. You said, "Sure, why not?" How am I taking you out of context?

Let's try this again, Pepper:


So would public nudity only be wrong because it's illegal?

If public nudity became legal tomorrow, would it still be wrong?

Should the law prohibiting public nudity remain in tact?

Or should the law prohibiting public nudity be done away with because it infringes upon a woman's right to dress (or not dress) as she pleases?

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Actually, Poly brought up prostitution if memory serves, i simply responded to it because my understanding of prostitution is when sexual intercourse is sold.

Turbo:



She already did.

Didn't like my bible target comment?


Prostitution is selling sex, but not exclusively intercourse.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Then it was misapplied and made his stance look even weaker. And yours. :loser:

it was misapplied and i shouldn't have gone there, i was trying to look more intelligent than i am, sorry, thanks for calling me on the carpet about that.

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 12:52 PM
Turbo:



She already did.

Didn't like my bible target comment?Hadn't gotten to her response yet.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:52 PM
Actually now that she and her family are incredibly successful, couldn't it be argued that your god is blessing them? I think I'm convinced...

...

Nah.

Shimei:



Allsmells? Are you kidding?


Don't dodge Shimei's question.

docrob57
August 10th, 2005, 12:52 PM
Allsmells? Are you kidding? :chuckle:

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:53 PM
Why not just answer the simple yes-or-no questions? Were they too difficult for you?

this and Allsmells are prime examples of name calling and condescension. what's the matter with you folks?

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 12:53 PM
Let's see: so far we have some sanity, some Christians foaming at the mouth, one dunce who doesn't know sarcasm when it hits her over the forehead like a 2x4, and an assorted hodgepodge of naysayers and town criers.

A psycho circus as usual. Let the good times roll!:devil:

erinmarie
August 10th, 2005, 12:54 PM
this and Allsmells are prime examples of name calling and condescension. what's the matter with you folks?

"I don't know Baby, what'sa matta' with you?"

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Granite, I didn't know you were a female! Hope your head feels better.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Don't dodge Shimei's question.

if he wanted his question answered he shouldn't have discredited himself by ridiculing me. I've been a man about this whole thing, when he called me on a screw up i admitted it. now i have to roll over for someone when they call me names?

Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeze.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Granite, I didn't know you were a female! Hope your head feels better.

You wish, closet case. :loser:

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:57 PM
if he wanted his question answered he shouldn't have discredited himself by ridiculing me. I've been a man about this whole thing, when you called me on a screw up i admitted it. now i have to roll over for someone when they call me names?

Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeze.


Oh, fer cryin' . . . this is TOL, man! And you think you've got it bad. Granite has a thang for me.

But seriously, here's Shimei's question again. Please answer.

If the 9 year old were wearing a bikini while dancing like that, would that be ok with you? Yes or no?

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 12:57 PM
My father is a christian and he never condemned me for wearing a bikini.

OH yeah, and when my church used to go to the water park every year, I seem to remember people wearing bathing suits. Some of the men didn't wear shirts!

I guess Jessica Simpson should just wear this (http://www.wholesomewear.com/page-4.html) in her next video.

taoist
August 10th, 2005, 12:57 PM
I got popcorn ... anybody seen the possum?

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 12:58 PM
You wish, closet case. :loser:


Methinks (s)he doth protest too much.

BTW, you've used that with me several times on the boards. I wonder . . . as much as you protest me protesting fags. . . . yeah, methinks you protest way too much. :dizzy:

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 01:00 PM
Actually now that she and her family are incredibly successful, couldn't it be argued that your god is blessing them? I think I'm convinced...

...

Nah.


I really don't know how successful she is yet, as far as money goes. That is always more complicated than it seems. I just think it is a little sad that she was pulled out of school, spent years competing (unsuccessfully) with the girls who were willing to do almost anything to get ahead, and finally found some financial success by the lowest and cheapest route possible. Does anyone really know what she sounds like when she sings? I can't think of a single song. She was mostly know for being a ditz (while playing herself). Really, I think, someday, she will look at what has happened and resent it. And wonder what pushed her here.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Really, I think, someday, she will look at what has happened and resent it. And wonder what pushed her here.


One can only hope!

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Why not just answer the simple yes-or-no questions? Were they too difficult for you?

You said that it would be wrong for a woman to wear nothing in public. I asked why. You said because it was illegal. I asked if it would be okay for a woman to wear nothin in public if it were legal. You said, "Sure, why not?" How am I taking you out of context?

Let's try this again, Pepper:


So would public nudity only be wrong because it's illegal?

If public nudity became legal tomorrow, would it still be wrong?

Should the law prohibiting public nudity remain in tact?

Or should the law prohibiting public nudity be done away with because it infringes upon a woman's right to dress (or not dress) as she pleases?

No it's not only wrong because it's illegal, it's wrong because there are way more people out there that I don't want to see naked than the ones that I do want to see naked.

Yeah it would still be wrong because there would still be people I don't want to see naked.

Yes please leave the law in tact!!!!! It would be tragic if I had to see certain people naked, I would have to claw out my own eyes.

No, it shouldn't be done away with because of that. But a woman should still be able to dress however she would like. If men can walk around in speedos or tight shorts and no shirts, why can't a woman?

Sorry man, ask a stupid question.....

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 01:03 PM
Methinks (s)he doth protest too much.

BTW, you've used that with me several times on the boards. I wonder . . . as much as you protest me protesting fags. . . . yeah, methinks you protest way too much. :dizzy:

I use it because I think I've got a fifty-fifty shot at being right. Sorry, but nobody hates (or says they do) the way you do without serious issues going on. Anyway, I digress. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, otherwise you have a very unpleasant row to hoe.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:03 PM
I really don't know how successful she is yet, as far as money goes. That is always more complicated than it seems. I just think it is a little sad that she was pulled out of school, spent years competing (unsuccessfully) with the girls who were willing to do almost anything to get ahead, and finally found some financial success by the lowest and cheapest route possible. Does anyone really know what she sounds like when she sings? I can't think of a single song. She was mostly know for being a ditz (while playing herself). Really, I think, someday, she will look at what has happened and resent it. And wonder what pushed her here.


I know what she sounds like when she sings, she has a beautiful voice. People are too busy being concerned with what she's wearing or how ditzy she is to listen though. THat's unfortunate, says more about other people than about her, don't you think?

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Pepper?

So would public nudity only be wrong because it's illegal?

If public nudity became legal tomorrow, would it still be wrong?

Should the law prohibiting public nudity remain in tact?

Or should the law prohibiting public nudity be done away with because it infringes upon a woman's right to dress (or not dress) as she pleases?

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 01:06 PM
I use it because I think I've got a fifty-fifty shot at being right. Sorry, but nobody hates (or says they do) the way you do without serious issues going on. Anyway, I digress. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, otherwise you have a very unpleasant row to hoe.


That was a pretty lame defense. Get :help: .

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 01:06 PM
Allsmells? Are you kidding?

Opps! Sorry,
allsmiles,
If the 9 year old were wearing a bikini while dancing like that, would that be ok with you? Yes or no?

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:06 PM
Pepper?

So would public nudity only be wrong because it's illegal?

If public nudity became legal tomorrow, would it still be wrong?

Should the law prohibiting public nudity remain in tact?

Or should the law prohibiting public nudity be done away with because it infringes upon a woman's right to dress (or not dress) as she pleases?


I already answered you questions....open your eyes man.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 01:07 PM
That was a pretty lame defense. Get :help: .

I'm not defending a thing. Care to get back to the discussion?

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 01:07 PM
I know what she sounds like when she sings, she has a beautiful voice. People are too busy being concerned with what she's wearing or how ditzy she is to listen though. THat's unfortunate, says more about other people than about her, don't you think?
But it is precisely my point. She chose an expedient route for getting attention (for whatever reason) when singing itself was not paying the bills as planned. And it has distracted people.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:08 PM
Smiles....do you feel deja vu around here? People keep making the same posts over and over again!

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 01:09 PM
Pepper wrote:


No it's not only wrong because it's illegal, it's wrong because there are way more people out there that I don't want to see naked than the ones that I do want to see naked.

So if it were legal, it still needs to be approved by you? It's only OK if the people meet your requirements?


Yeah it would still be wrong because there would still be people I don't want to see naked.

So, only with your approval. But what about the guy who likes fat chicks(and guys)?


Yes please leave the law in tact!!!!! It would be tragic if I had to see certain people naked, I would have to claw out my own eyes.

So a law is only good to you when it makes you comfortable?


No, it shouldn't be done away with because of that. But a woman should still be able to dress however she would like. If men can walk around in speedos or tight shorts and no shirts, why can't a woman?

OK, right there, you should be banned for the visual of a dude in speedos.
Moderators!!!???


Sorry man, ask a stupid question.....

. . . get a Pepper answer.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 01:10 PM
I'm not defending a thing. Care to get back to the discussion?


Yep, (s)he sure protests too much.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 01:11 PM
But it is precisely my point. She chose an expedient route for getting attention (for whatever reason) when singing itself was not paying the bills as planned. And it has distracted people.

No offense man, but so what? That's her right.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Rimi.....do you really have that hard of a time reading sarcasm???

No, people should not be allowed to walk around naked. But yes, a woman should be able to wear what she wants as long as all the proper parts are covered.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Yep, (s)he sure protests too much.

Apparently not.:down:

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 01:13 PM
Rimi.....do you really have that hard of a time reading sarcasm???

No, people should not be allowed to walk around naked. But yes, a woman should be able to wear what she wants as long as all the proper parts are covered.

Western culture is exceptional in how uptight we are vis a vis fashion.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 01:13 PM
Rimi.....do you really have that hard of a time reading sarcasm???

No, people should not be allowed to walk around naked. But yes, a woman should be able to wear what she wants as long as all the proper parts are covered.

Are you opposed to thongs? Yes or No?

fool
August 10th, 2005, 01:13 PM
I think we should all be naked one day a year.
Once you've seen it and it dosen't match up to your imagination the mystery is gone.
I think most people would wish they hadn't seen most of what they saw.
People do walk around mostly naked in some places, they didn't get the word about the fall.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:13 PM
Are you opposed to thongs? Yes or No?


I find them quite comfortable.

fool
August 10th, 2005, 01:15 PM
Are you opposed to thongs? Yes or No?
You mean the things at the salad bar?

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:15 PM
I think we should all be naked one day a year.

Once you've seen it and it dosen't match up to your imagination the mystery is gone.
I think most people would wish they hadn't seen most of what they saw.
People do walk around mostly naked in some places, they didn't get the word about the fall.


There's actually a christian nudist camp down the road from my house, I know the people that own it....I should start a thread about that. That'd be fun.

ANd did everyone miss my link? It was great! I'll repeat it for ya:

I think jessica simpson should wear this (http://www.wholesomewear.com/page-4.html) in her next video, you?

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 01:15 PM
Rimi.....do you really have that hard of a time reading sarcasm???

No, people should not be allowed to walk around naked. But yes, a woman should be able to wear what she wants as long as all the proper parts are covered.


But as Turbo was trying to get a serious answer from you . . . why should the "proper parts" be covered? Ah, you said the law. But if the law were changed, would it still be wrong?

You can't tell that I was being sarcastic either, moron. But then, you're having difficulty answering Turbo's very simple questions.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:15 PM
You mean the things at the salad bar?


close, those are tongs.....they don't look as nice.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 01:16 PM
Apparently not.:down:


There you go again.

erinmarie
August 10th, 2005, 01:16 PM
Okay, this thread is getting out of hand! I don't want to hear about Pepper and her affinity for undergarments...

Let's nip the thong talk in the bud..now.

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:16 PM
But as Turbo was trying to get a serious answer from you . . . why should the "proper parts" be covered? Ah, you said the law. But if the law were changed, would it still be wrong?

You can't tell that I was being sarcastic either, moron. But then, you're having difficulty answering Turbo's very simple questions.


If the laws were different, it would be up to the idividual who was walking out of the house naked, now wouldn't it? As you said, it wouldnt' be up to me.


Please refrain from the name calling, it just makes you look more unintelligent.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 01:17 PM
No offense man, but so what? That's her right.
None taken at all! I was not saying that it is not her right. just that I find it depressing. And that it has, and will continue to, distract from her legitmacy as an artist. It may have not been the best path to respect, though it has fixed financial problems for her. I hope that when she gets a bit older she will evaluate what lead her here, and will make some changes to how her career is managed.

Really, though, this is a not too particulary important subject matter. I just thought it would be an easygoing conversation (wrong again, darn it).

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 01:17 PM
I find them quite comfortable.

Are you opposed to people wearing a thong (no other covering) in public?
Yes or No?

Pepper
August 10th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Okay, this thread is getting out of hand! I don't want to hear about Pepper and her affinity for undergarments...

Let's nip the thong talk in the bud..now.


Hey....I was asked a question, last time I didn't answer a question, i was berated....sorry.

taoist
August 10th, 2005, 01:20 PM
I think jessica simpson should wear this (http://www.wholesomewear.com/page-4.html) in her next video, you? Now you're talking dirty.

:cheers:

This thread's more fun than I've had all week. At least 'til Miss Erin told us we couldn't get down on thongs. And people call me a killjoy! Where's BillyBob? He's gonna hate having missed this.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 01:21 PM
moron, allsmells, turbo's treating us like children.

you people could be discussing how to rally the 33,000 + christian denominations in this country and cure world hunger but instead you're picking apart a beautiful, successful celebrity when she's not here to defend herself, and then picking apart the people who have the guts to stand up for her.

if you folks ever wonder why no one takes you seriously, it's topics of conversation like this.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 01:22 PM
You mean the things at the salad bar?

:D

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 01:24 PM
None taken at all! I was not saying that it is not her right. just that I find it depressing. And that it has, and will continue to, distract from her legitmacy as an artist. It may have not been the best path to respect, though it has fixed financial problems for her. I hope that when she gets a bit older she will evaluate what lead her here, and will make some changes to how her career is managed.

Really, though, this is a not too particulary important subject matter. I just thought it would be an easygoing conversation (wrong again, darn it).

Probably; these ladies tend to mellow with age. I mean, Madonna's writing kids' books now. Who woulda thunk THAT in 1985?

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 01:27 PM
I find them quite comfortable.


Afraid to answer the question, thought so.

theo_victis
August 10th, 2005, 01:31 PM
I think a lot of this whole "modesty" issue is centered around our cultural ideas, not entirely moral ethics. Is it morallly wrong to wear revealing clothes? That depends on where you live in the world.

When i was in Africa most women and men wear hardly any clothes, not because they dont have any (they do) but because climate and culture dictates that its ok for little to no clothing. There, however, is a difference in the Africas beliefs about revealing clothes and America's ideas. In America, revealing clothes are worn for sexual connotations where as in Africa that isnt necessarily true.

Its morally wrong to wear no clothes on your intentions not on the account that you have no clothes. I would DEFINATELY NOT consider African Christians modest on any American scale. Its just a cultural thing, and Jessica Simpson needs to realize that sexually expliciting her self is wrong.

fool
August 10th, 2005, 01:32 PM
I think that a thong could be considered the minimum to go outside in.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Probably; these ladies tend to mellow with age. I mean, Madonna's writing kids' books now. Who woulda thunk THAT in 1985?
And Jessica certainly has not gone the Madonna route yet! Far from it. Right now she is more Chrissy from Three's Company than the sex addicted dominatrix that Madonna sold herself as (and in a very calculated fashion). Really, the biggest hurt from the Christian community (in regards to Jessica) is that they were used to launch her career, so she is held to a higher standard. I, personally, think it is the proper standard by any means or consideration, but she will be the one most held by it. This is not that much different than arguing over whether or not Green Day sold out the gutter punk community by going mainstream.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 01:35 PM
I think that a thong could be considered the minimum to go outside in.

C'mon Pepper, even a fool can answer my simple question....

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 01:35 PM
Pepper:

:bow:

;)

GuySmiley
August 10th, 2005, 01:36 PM
you're picking apart a beautiful, successful celebrity when she's not here to defend herself, and then picking apart the people who have the guts to stand up for her.
An important part of this discussion is how you define success. Prostitutes and strippers make a lot of money, but are the successful?

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 01:39 PM
Pepper, sorry I hadn't seen your response... fast moving thread.


No it's not only wrong because it's illegal, it's wrong because there are way more people out there that I don't want to see naked than the ones that I do want to see naked.

Yeah it would still be wrong because there would still be people I don't want to see naked.

Yes please leave the law in tact!!!!! It would be tragic if I had to see certain people naked, I would have to claw out my own eyes.So what is right and wrong is based on your personal preferences? Is that what you're saying? (I would assume you're being sarcastic to avoid giving a serious answer, but I've seen people state such things before and mean it.)


No, it shouldn't be done away with because of that. But a woman should still be able to dress however she would like....Unless you don't like it, assuming your above responses were honest.


If men can walk around in speedos or tight shorts and no shirts...Who said it was appropriate for men to dress that way?
...why can't a woman?Am I to conclude from this question that you don't count anything above the waist among the "important parts" that a woman ought to keep covered in public? (If so, then perhaps you do favor changing the current laws after all.)

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 01:43 PM
if success is measured in money than i imagine there are successful strippers.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Pepper, sorry I hadn't seen your response... fast moving thread.

So what is right and wrong is based on your personal preferences? Is that what you're saying? (I would assume you're being sarcastic to avoid giving a serious answer, but I've seen people state such things before and mean it.)

...Unless you don't like it, assuming your above responses were honest.

Who said it was appropriate for men to dress that way? Am I to conclude from this question that you don't count anything above the waist among the "important parts" that a woman ought to keep covered in public? (If so, then perhaps you do favor changing the current laws after all.)


Apparently wearing a thong out in public is ok with Pepper.

and

Apparently a little girl wearing a bikini and gyrating around while singing a Jennifer Lopez song is ok with allsmiles.


Am I wrong?

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 01:45 PM
if success is measured in money than i imagine there are successful strippers.
Let's hope it is not measured that way.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 01:45 PM
Apparently wearing a thong out in public is ok with Pepper.

and

Apparently a little girl wearing a bikini and gyrating around while singing a Jennifer Lopez song is ok with allsmiles.


Am I wrong?

there's a reason why you haven't been dignified with a response.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 01:46 PM
Let's hope it is not measured that way.

you don't believe financial success exists?

taoist
August 10th, 2005, 01:47 PM
Apparently wearing a thong out in public is ok with Pepper. Personally, I'd draw the line well before Rosie O'Donnell. But that's just a question of good taste.

Drats! Where is that possum?

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 01:48 PM
there's a reason why you haven't been dignified with a response.

Ok, I am sorry I called you allsmells.

Now will you answer the question?

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 01:51 PM
you don't believe financial success exists?
I don't believe it makes you a successful person. And I certainly don't judge the quality of a thing by it's ability to make money. However, if the goal was indeed to generate a profit, then by definition it is a success if it does.

koban
August 10th, 2005, 01:51 PM
He (Jessica Simpson's father) admits that he condoned her dressing like a tramp when she was living under his authority. Didn't you read the opening post?
"When we were in church work, they (my daughters) wore bikinis and short shorts. People in the church got mad at me then, but we believe that what's in the heart is more important than what's on the outside."


I don't see him "admit(ting) that he condoned her dressing like a tramp", do you? Do you think bikinis and short shorts are necessarily trampish? I live in a neighborhood full of kids and this summer they're wearing as little as possible due to the heat. Most of them are in the pools more than they're out of them, and yes, bikinis and short shorts are rampant. Does this mean that my neighborhood is in rampant moral decline, or that these kids are tramps or (as another poster has argued) selling sex or acting as prostitutes?




Mr. Simpson must think Paul was out of line when he wrote:


I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 1 Timothy 2:9-10




OK - so according to Paul, she shouldn't wear braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes. Should we confront those who do? How does one dress with good deeds?



Do you think Paul was out of line in requiring women to cover their heads in church? Does your church observe this?

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 01:53 PM
it wasn't my daughter, it wasn't my sister, so i couldn't possibly care less what behavior a mother will condone her daughter for.

theo_victis
August 10th, 2005, 01:58 PM
Does this mean that my neighborhood is in rampant moral decline, or that these kids are tramps or (as another poster has argued) selling sex or acting as prostitutes?

This is my point. Its ok, if your intentions arent sexual. But having seen that music video of Jessica's there is no doubt why she dressed the way she did. Duh! Same reason britney spears did, christina aguilara, and maddonna did it.

The thing i dont understand, is why everyone expects Jessica to be better or on another playing level then her peer singers. She obviously doesnt have conservative moral values. I think there are worse people to pick on for their values that are being spread into pop culture: such people as marylin manson, and the ACLU. Dont get me wrong, i dont approve of Jessica's intentions for her apparrel.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 02:00 PM
it wasn't my daughter, it wasn't my sister, so i couldn't possibly care less what behavior a mother will condone her daughter for.

What if it was your daughter, would you oppose it?

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 02:00 PM
If the laws were different, it would be up to the idividual who was walking out of the house naked, now wouldn't it? As you said, it wouldnt' be up to me.


Please refrain from the name calling, it just makes you look more unintelligent.


Apologies for the name calling. However, you've still not answered the question. You were asked if it would still be wrong if the law were changed to OK walking around nekked, not if it was up to you.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 02:01 PM
What if it was your daughter, would you oppose it?

i'm not qualified to answer that question.

why don't you ask someone who knows what it's like to have a daughter?

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 02:06 PM
Guys in speeds and Rosie in skimpy skivvies. I've had it.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 02:06 PM
i'm not qualified to answer that question.

why don't you ask someone who knows what it's like to have a daughter?
Having a daughter nearly drove my mother insane. As such, I tend not to ask too many questions about the experience. It makes her edgy. :chuckle:

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 02:10 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lovejoy again.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 02:12 PM
i'm not qualified to answer that question.

why don't you ask someone who knows what it's like to have a daughter?


You've never given any thought at all as to how you'd raise kids if you had them? You've never seen an bratty kid, or a 9 yr old wearing more makeup than a drag queen at the Blue Oyster and said, "If that were my kid . . . "?

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 02:12 PM
And Jessica certainly has not gone the Madonna route yet! Far from it. Right now she is more Chrissy from Three's Company than the sex addicted dominatrix that Madonna sold herself as (and in a very calculated fashion). Really, the biggest hurt from the Christian community (in regards to Jessica) is that they were used to launch her career, so she is held to a higher standard. I, personally, think it is the proper standard by any means or consideration, but she will be the one most held by it. This is not that much different than arguing over whether or not Green Day sold out the gutter punk community by going mainstream.

Not yet, but twenty years from now. That's all I'm saying.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 02:14 PM
Not yet, but twenty years from now. That's all I'm saying.
No no, I was agreeing with you. I was merely stating that Jessica is not as risque now as Madonna was at around the same age, so the change will likely be less dramatic.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Guys in speeds and Rosie in skimpy skivvies. I've had it.

Like hell. You'll be back.:chuckle:

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 02:16 PM
i'm not qualified to answer that question.

why don't you ask someone who knows what it's like to have a daughter?


You are not qualified to answer the question because you do not have a daughter?

But somehow you are qualified to answer questions and make judgments about Jessica Simpson....

You are clearly afraid to answer the question as I knew you would be.

The Berean
August 10th, 2005, 02:18 PM
Wow, 13 pages about Jessica Simpson's bress-sis-sis! Unbelievable... :think:

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Like hell. You'll be back.:chuckle:


And you never left. Hmmmm.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 02:20 PM
Wow, 13 pages about Jessica Simpson's bress-sis-sis! Unbelievable... :think:
:chuckle: I think the underlying issue expands somewhat beyond the young lady herself. Still, it is a remarkable amount of discussion.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 02:20 PM
You are not qualified to answer the question because you do not have a daughter?

But somehow you are qualified to answer questions and make judgments about Jessica Simpson....

You are clearly afraid to answer the question as I knew you would be.


I noticed the same thing, Shimei. Suddenly he's not qualified. Yeah, and Rosie O'Donnel in speedos and a hairy back doesn't do it for Granite. Riiiiight.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 02:24 PM
You are not qualified to answer the question because you do not have a daughter?

Yeah, from everything I've heard having children changes everything. you want me to answer a question, but i don't have an experienced perspective to answer that particular question.


But somehow you are qualified to answer questions and make judgments about Jessica Simpson....

Yeah, because you folks have been putting down her father and i have an experienced perspective when it comes to having a father. frankly, i don't see how you've logically attached the two...


You are clearly afraid to answer the question as I knew you would be.

think whatever you want man, the skin on my nose remains.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 02:24 PM
Sorry, Rosie's just never been my type...:shocked:

The Berean
August 10th, 2005, 02:27 PM
:chuckle: I think the underlying issue expands somewhat beyond the young lady herself. Still, it is a remarkable amount of discussion.

Well, it's been half discussion and half name calling and insults...

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 02:29 PM
Sorry, Rosie's just never been my type...:shocked:


:rotfl: Not even on $1 beer night, eh.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 02:33 PM
Well, it's been half discussion and half name calling and insults...
Pretty much par, though. Just one of those kinds of issues, I guess.

fool
August 10th, 2005, 02:33 PM
I used to wear a speedo.
In my early 20s when I wasen't so hard on the eyes.
Now I wear trunks, not for reasons of modesty, but because I can't pull it off any more.
But as soon as I get back in shape, look out!

Hasan_ibn_Sabah
August 10th, 2005, 02:34 PM
Pretty much par, though. Just one of those kinds of issues, I guess.

It's really a non-issue. 5 years from now, everyone will be saying "Jessica who?"

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 02:34 PM
Yeah, from everything I've heard having children changes everything. you want me to answer a question, but i don't have an experienced perspective to answer that particular question.



Yeah, because you folks have been putting down her father and i have an experienced perspective when it comes to having a father. frankly, i don't see how you've logically attached the two...



think whatever you want man, the skin on my nose remains.

You only have an answer and "experience" when it fits your perverted world view.

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 02:35 PM
It's really a non-issue. 5 years from now, everyone will be saying "Jessica who?"

Actually, some of us are saying that now.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 02:38 PM
Disgusting onanist.

Oh, great, more of THAT crap.

And, dude: lighten up. Fool was referring to how he looked in a speedo, not anything else.

Jeeeeeez. :kookoo:

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 02:38 PM
It's really a non-issue. 5 years from now, everyone will be saying "Jessica who?"
As it pertains directly to Jessica, it may become a non-issue indeed. However, there will be some other young lady (or several) that choose this path to fame. And some of them will be girls that grew up in the spot light, and ones that we did not expect to go the route of sex-pot. And we will get mad, or disappointed, or disgusted. See you then!

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 02:39 PM
:rotfl: Not even on $1 beer night, eh.

My beer goggles have never been THAT thick, thank God...:cheers:

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 02:39 PM
You only have an answer and "experience" when it fits your perverted world view.

no, i only have answers when i have experience or when i've read up on the subject. this is what you need to believe about me in order to deal with things you can't handle, and that's fine, we all have our crutches, drinking and smoking are mine:), lying to yourself is yours;)

believe me, i've flown off the handle and gone on tangents before when i've been totally unqualified, right now i'm trying to be as careful as possible to not over steps the bounds of my own experience and intelligence. you can call me scared and perverted all you want, but i'm not going to trap myself by having a strong opinion on something i haven't experienced or understand.

does that make sense?

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 02:40 PM
Smiles is trying to stick to what he knows. Do you believe this? :dizzy:

koban
August 10th, 2005, 02:41 PM
My beer goggles have never been THAT thick, thank God...:cheers:


Call the possum! :cheers:

Rimi
August 10th, 2005, 02:44 PM
Call the possum! :cheers:


NO! Don't to that. Granite's already said there wasn't enough beer in the world. Why do you want to go and deprive Rednecks?

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 02:46 PM
no, i only have answers when i have experience or when i've read up on the subject. this is what you need to believe about me in order to deal with things you can't handle, and that's fine, we all have our crutches, drinking and smoking are mine:), lying to yourself is yours;)

believe me, i've flown off the handle and gone on tangents before when i've been totally unqualified, right now i'm trying to be as careful as possible to not over steps the bounds of my own experience and intelligence. you can call me scared and perverted all you want, but i'm not going to trap myself by having a strong opinion on something i haven't experienced or understand.

does that make sense?
If I did that, I would have, like, three posts. Therefore, in the interest of a vast post count, I have avoided your approach like the plague.

fool
August 10th, 2005, 02:46 PM
did somthing get deleted?

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 02:48 PM
did somthing get deleted?
The fact that you are a...no, wait, never mind.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 02:50 PM
no, i only have answers when i have experience or when i've read up on the subject. this is what you need to believe about me in order to deal with things you can't handle, and that's fine, we all have our crutches, drinking and smoking are mine:), lying to yourself is yours;)

believe me, i've flown off the handle and gone on tangents before when i've been totally unqualified, right now i'm trying to be as careful as possible to not over steps the bounds of my own experience and intelligence. you can call me scared and perverted all you want, but i'm not going to trap myself by having a strong opinion on something i haven't experienced or understand.

does that make sense?

You can't tell me that putting a 9 year old girl in a bikini and having her gyrate around while singing on TV is wrong?

I will assume you think it is ok then.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 02:52 PM
And hopefully you know what happens when you assume, Shimei.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 02:56 PM
You can't tell me that putting a 9 year old girl in a bikini and having her gyrate around while singing on TV is wrong?

I will assume you think it is ok then.

Have you ever heard of assumption being the mother of all snafu's?

you asked me if i thought it was wrong, i said that as long as it's not my daughter, or my sister, i couldn't care less what some degenerate lets her daughter do. it's none of my business, i have a hard enough time keeping myself in line.

as for my daughter, like i said, i don't have a daughter, so i don't know what it's like to have a daughter, so i really don't know how i would react or what i would think. from what everyone has told me i don't want a daughter:)

i'll play along though, i'll pretend like i know what i'm talking about, and i'll be a liar just to make you happy, mmm'kay?;)

if my daughter was dancing like J-Lo and wearing a bikini...

i would take a picture and tell her how cute she is and that she can grow up to be whatever she wants.

happy?:D

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 02:58 PM
(Hunkers down, waits for the bombardment.)

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Have you ever heard of assumption being the mother of all snafu's?

you asked me if i thought it was wrong, i said that as long as it's not my daughter, or my sister, i couldn't care less what some degenerate lets her daughter do. it's none of my business, i have a hard enough time keeping myself in line.

as for my daughter, like i said, i don't have a daughter, so i don't know what it's like to have a daughter, so i really don't know how i would react or what i would think. from what everyone has told me i don't want a daughter:)

i'll play along though, i'll pretend like i know what i'm talking about, and i'll be a liar just to make you happy, mmm'kay?;)

if my daughter was dancing like J-Lo and wearing a bikini...

i would take a picture and tell her how cute she is and that she can grow up to be whatever she wants.

happy?:D

I hope you never have children.

Hasan_ibn_Sabah
August 10th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Oh, great, more of THAT crap.

And, dude: lighten up. Fool was referring to how he looked in a speedo, not anything else.

Jeeeeeez. :kookoo:

You don't understand the seriousness of this horrible crime, not only does God find it more disgusting than mere homosexuality and deserving of the death penalty but it leads to the denigration of both the individual and society as a whole.

Thirsty_Possum
August 10th, 2005, 03:06 PM
NO! Don't to that. Granite's already said there wasn't enough beer in the world. Why do you want to go and deprive Rednecks? Rimi, Koban said you wanted a beer.

:cheers:

I keep hearing about this Jessica Simpson. I don't know if she's related to my pal Jessica Rabbit, but it sounds like she dresses a lot the same. Of course, Jessica Rabbit isn't really bad, she's drawn that way.

Me, I'll stick to drawing beers.

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 03:07 PM
I hope you never have children.

don't hurt yourself.

Granite
August 10th, 2005, 03:11 PM
You don't understand the seriousness of this horrible crime, not only does God find it more disgusting than mere homosexuality and deserving of the death penalty but it leads to the denigration of both the individual and society as a whole.

Blah, blah, blah. You do realize fool was not even talking about this, right?

Freak job. :kookoo:

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 03:14 PM
If the laws were different, it would be up to the idividual who was walking out of the house naked, now wouldn't it? As you said, it wouldnt' be up to me.
You weren't asked if the decision for another to be naked in public in public would be up to you. You were asked whether it would be right or wrong for a person to be naked in public if it were legal.

And while we're at it...

Was it right or wrong for people in this country to claim ownership of black men when it was legal according to US laws?

and...

Was it right or wrong for Nazis to slaughter Jews in Germany when it was legal according to German laws?

Note that no one is asking whether others (legally) owning blacks or slaugtering Jews was your decision, and no one is asking for your opinion. But I want to know, do you know whether it was right or wrong for them to do so?

Ultimately what I am getting at is, do you believe that what is right and what is wrong is objective and knowable? And if you don't, then why should anyone give a rip about your subjective opinions on such matters?

koban
August 10th, 2005, 03:14 PM
Blah, blah, blah. You do realize fool was not even talking about this, right?

Freak job. :kookoo:




I just saw Mike Meyers in a thong (Wayne's World) and the image is burned in my mind! :shocked:

Thirsty_Possum
August 10th, 2005, 03:20 PM
Freak job. :kookoo: Oh no!!!

No more Brother J!!! ... he tried to exercise me (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=829208#post829208) and then said I was a demon and going to hell. So I bit him. Uncle Zak had me on his couch for a week, except for when I had to fetch more beer. And BillyBob said Brother J might have even given me rabies, whatever they are. Then Auntie Crow had to wash me with Fels-Naptha soap and tomato juice.

*shudder*

Even beer won't take the taste of Brother J out of your mouth. I know.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 03:26 PM
doban = :troll:

allsmiles
August 10th, 2005, 03:27 PM
You weren't asked if the decision for another to be naked in public in public would be up to you. You were asked whether it would be right or wrong for a person to be naked in public if it were legal.

Pepper's not here but I wanna take a stab at it.

Legality and morality are oftentimes two completely different things. Legality is objective, morality is subjective. If it were legal for someone to be naked in public than it would be legal, whether or not it is right or wrong depends completely on whatever individuals perceive the nakedness. Some people might think it's right, some people might think it's wrong. You base your moral judgements on the bible, Pepper doesn't. Legality doesn't necessarily effect morality.


And while we're at it...

Was it right or wrong for people in this country to claim ownership of black men when it was legal according to US laws?

Legally right, yes. Morally right, no, not in my opinion. Absolutely wrong? No way to definitively tell. If you have a moral problem with a legal right than that's your cross to bear, and vice a versa.


and...

Was it right or wrong for Nazis to slaughter Jews in Germany when it was legal according to German laws?

Legally right, morally wrong. The legal issue is objective, written on paper, black and white, the moral right is subjective and depends on outside witnesses to what can be argued to be wrong. I'm sure there were well thought out cases for why the holocaust was morally right, so to the people who believed it, it was both legally and morally right. To people who disagreed, it was only right on paper.


Note that no one is asking whether others (legally) owning blacks or slaugtering Jews was your decision, and no one is asking for your opinion. But I want to know, do you know whether it was right or wrong for them to do so?

Completely subjective. Some people nowadays I'm sure still believe that slave ownership isn't morally wrong, but there's nothing they can do about it because legally it isn't right. The law will have a strangle hold on your idealistic moral high ground, or they will be hand in hand.


Ultimately what I am getting at is, do you believe that what is right and what is wrong is objective and knowable? And if you don't, then why should anyone give a rip about your subjective opinions on such matters?

What is right and wrong is subjective and knowable, in that you base your moral judgements on your own perspective and you know what you believe.

People give a rip about your opinions and they are just as subjective as any one else's.

except people like Pepper and myself develop our own sense of morality rather than having it dictated to us from an invisible, finger wagging tyrant who exists only between the pages of an exceptionally old book.

No offense intended Turbo, I have the utmost respect for you and what you believe.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Legality and morality are oftentimes two completely different things. Legality is objective, morality is subjective. If it were legal for someone to be naked in public than it would be legal, whether or not it is right or wrong depends completely on whatever individuals perceive the nakedness. Some people might think it's right, some people might think it's wrong. You base your moral judgements on the bible, Pepper doesn't. Legality doesn't necessarily effect morality.



Legally right, yes. Morally right, no, not in my opinion. Absolutely wrong? No way to definitively tell. If you have a moral problem with a legal right than that's your cross to bear, and vice a versa.



Legally right, morally wrong. The legal issue is objective, written on paper, black and white, the moral right is subjective and depends on outside witnesses to what can be argued to be wrong. I'm sure there were well thought out cases for why the holocaust was morally right, so to the people who believed it, it was both legally and morally right. To people who disagreed, it was only right on paper.



Completely subjective. Some people nowadays I'm sure still believe that slave ownership isn't morally wrong, but there's nothing they can do about it because legally it isn't right. The law will have a strangle hold on your idealistic moral high ground, or they will be hand in hand.



What is right and wrong is subjective and knowable, in that you base your moral judgements on your own perspective and you know what you believe.

People give a rip about your opinions and they are just as subjective as any one else's.

except people like Pepper and myself develop our own sense of morality rather than having it dictated to us from an invisible, finger wagging tyrant who exists only between the pages of an exceptionally old book.

No offense intended Turbo, I have the utmost respect for you and what you believe.

Now you can suddenly answer direct questions?

About owning a slave, how can you say anything? Did you own one? I thought you would say that you were not qualified to answer.


Here is another question:
Is it absolutely wrong for a man to violently rape a woman?
Please answer without using the word 'opinion'.

koban
August 10th, 2005, 03:37 PM
doban = :troll:



I presume that's supposed to be a dig at me by someone too lazy to proofread their posts. Just trying to keep it light here. If you're interested in tackling a serious post, how about giving http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=833707&postcount=170 a shot?

Or is it just too easy to lay on the insults and smilies? :bannana:

koban
August 10th, 2005, 03:40 PM
And can anybody tell me why a discussion of Jessica Simpson's perceived lack of moral virtue has brought in slave ownership, Nazi's killing Jews and violent rape? :hammer:

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 03:40 PM
Or is it just too easy to lay on the insults and smilies? :bannana:

With you it looks to be pretty easy.

koban
August 10th, 2005, 03:45 PM
With you it looks to be pretty easy.



Too easy Shimei - that was my point. Just like it's too easy to take a discussion like this way way overboard, something I think Granite made note of about 12 pages worth of posts ago.


If you want to keep it light, we can go with the smilies and insults.

Otherwise, how about considering http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=833707&postcount=170

Turbo
August 10th, 2005, 04:21 PM
I don't see him "admit(ting) that he condoned her dressing like a tramp", do you?He doesn't call it "dressing like a tramp." But she dresses (and acts) like a tramp in the video in question, and he claims that she dressed similarly while growing up and that those at his church recognized that he allowed her to dress inappropriately.


Do you think bikinis and short shorts are necessarily trampish?Not everyone who wears a bikini or short shorts is a tramp, if that's what you're asking. But everyone who wears short shorts or a (typical) bikini dresses immodestly.


I live in a neighborhood full of kids and this summer they're wearing as little as possible due to the heat. Most of them are in the pools more than they're out of them, and yes, bikinis and short shorts are rampant. Does this mean that my neighborhood is in rampant moral declineNo, it means our culture has for the most part already forgotten the value of modesty.


or that these kids are tramps or (as another poster has argued) selling sex or acting as prostitutes?No, it means their parents aren't teaching them to dress modestly.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to say this:

OK - so according to Paul, she shouldn't wear braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes. Should we confront those who do? How does one dress with good deeds?

Paul is not saying that braids and gold and pearls and expensive clothing are bad and anything else is good. He's establishing a general principle that women should not be focused on drawing attention to themselves by maximizing their physical attractiveness but rather they should rather be identified by their character and conduct. Which category dressing and dancing like a stripper falls into is a no-brainer.


Do you think Paul was out of line in requiring women to cover their heads in church?Paul made no such requirement. You confuse the symbol for the substance. In 1 Corinthians 11:12 Paul is talking about the proper authority structure, not that women should wear hats and men should not.

If I said that it is not good for a man's wife to wear the pants in the family, no one would mistake me for saying that women should always wear dresses or that a woman sins by wearing pants or even by borrowing her husband's jeans from time to time. Everyone would know that I meant that it is not good for a man's wife to be the head of the household and my point had nothing to do with how women should dress whatsoever.

Paul was using a similar figure of speech, making reference to general customs of his day.


Does your church observe this?Do we legalistically enforce rules requiring women to wear hats and men not to wear hats? Or course not.

Do we encourage women to submit to their husband's authority and for men to submit to Christ? Absolutely.

koban
August 10th, 2005, 04:34 PM
He doesn't call it "dressing like a tramp." But she dresses (and acts) like a tramp in the video in question, and he claims that she dressed similarly while growing up and that those at his church recognized that he allowed her to dress inappropriately.

Not everyone who wears a bikini or short shorts is a tramp, if that's what you're asking. But everyone who wears short shorts or a (typical) bikini dresses immodestly.

No, it means our culture has for the most part already forgotten the value of modesty.

No, it means their parents aren't teaching them to dress modestly.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to say this:


Paul is not saying that braids and gold and pearls and expensive clothing are bad and anything else is good. He's establishing a general principle that women should not be focused on drawing attention to themselves by maximizing their physical attractiveness but rather they should rather be identified by their character and conduct. Which category dressing and dancing like a stripper falls into is a no-brainer.

Paul made no such requirement. You confuse the symbol for the substance. In 1 Corinthians 11:12 Paul is talking about the proper authority structure, not that women should wear hats and men should not.

If I said that it is not good for a man's wife to wear the pants in the family, no one would mistake me for saying that women should always wear dresses or that a woman sins by wearing pants or even by borrowing her husband's jeans from time to time. Everyone would know that I meant that it is not good for a man's wife to be the head of the household and my point had nothing to do with how women should dress whatsoever.

Paul was using a similar figure of speach, making reference to general customs of his day.

Do we legalistically enforce rules requiring women to wear hats and men not to wear hats? Or course not.

Do we encourage women to submit to their husband's authority and for men to submit to Christ? Absolutely.



thanks Turbo - I have dinner to make and some other chores, but I will revisit this.

BillyBob
August 10th, 2005, 05:09 PM
Who is Jessica Simpson?

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 05:13 PM
Who is Jessica Simpson?

Lisa's older sister who refuses to appear on the show.

BillyBob
August 10th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Which one was 'busted' lip synching on SNL?

The Berean
August 10th, 2005, 05:18 PM
Which one was 'busted' lip synching on SNL?

That was Ashlee Simpson...

BillyBob
August 10th, 2005, 05:21 PM
There's 3 of them???? :dizzy:

The Berean
August 10th, 2005, 05:23 PM
From wikipedia:


Jessica attended J.J. Pearce High School in Richardson, Texas. Simpson was discovered singing at a church camp by a head of a small contemporary Christian record label and recorded an album over the next three years, but the label went out of business before the album could be released. She dropped out her senior year in order to tour and promote her demo album, which was funded by her grandmother, Joyce (thus the reason for the name Rejoyce: The Christmas Album); she later earned her GED. During this time, she toured with the Christian Youth Conference circuit performing with Kirk Franklin, God's Property and CeCe Winans. She and her father sold copies of the album after her performances.

Tommy Mottola of Columbia Records obtained a copy of the album and, thinking she had potential as a pop singer, signed her as such. Jessica eliminated the Christian influences from her appearance and music.

BillyBob
August 10th, 2005, 05:33 PM
Lisa Simpson
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


Lisa Marie Simpson (voiced by Yeardley Smith) is a fictional character on the animated television series The Simpsons. Matt Groening, the creator of the series, named her after his sister.

Lisa is 8 years old; according to her brother Bart, Lisa is 2 years and 38 days younger than him. This presumably places her birthday as being on May 9, given Bart's birthday is April 1. While she was shown as being born during the 1984 Summer Olympics in one flashback episode ("Lisa's First Word"), given that the characters in The Simpsons generally don't age, no specific year for her birth can truly be given (besides "always" being born "about 8 years ago").

Lisa is an extremely bright girl, with an IQ of 159. Officially, her highest grade is an A+++ which she earned by cheating in a test on The Wind in the Willows. (She later re-marked the test as an F.) Once, when she was unable to attend school due to a teachers' strike, she suffered a sort of "school withdrawal" and invented a perpetual motion machine; Homer chastised her for this, telling her that in the Simpson household "we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"


:think:

koban
August 10th, 2005, 05:33 PM
From wikipedia:



Compromise for the sake of "success". :nono:

Hasan_ibn_Sabah
August 10th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Compromise for the sake of "success". :nono:

Well she really doesn't have that much talent, flaunting her physical charms is all she really has. There are some talented singers and musician who do't go that route, but they have talent.

koban
August 10th, 2005, 05:44 PM
Well she really doesn't have that much talent, flaunting her physical charms is all she really has. There are some talented singers and musician who do't go that route, but they have talent.



I try to avoid "pop" culture, the flavor of the month stuff.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 06:17 PM
Yeardley Smith toured with Kirk Franklin?! Or I am getting mixed up?

koban
August 10th, 2005, 06:34 PM
Yeardley Smith toured with Kirk Franklin?! Or I am getting mixed up?



I think they opened for Green Day on their Rap Tour.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 06:36 PM
Now I am catching up! Thanks!

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Yeardley Smith toured with Kirk Franklin?! Or I am getting mixed up?

No! Yeardley Smith doesn't lip sync!

BillyBob
August 10th, 2005, 06:44 PM
Didn't Yeardley Smith go to Washington?

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 06:45 PM
No! Yeardley Smith doesn't lip sync!
But Ashely does, apparently, do voice overs. It is just over her own voice.

Lovejoy
August 10th, 2005, 06:45 PM
Didn't Yeardley Smith go to Washington?
Lisa did, as I recall.

Servo
August 10th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Lisa did, as I recall.

No! That is Mr. Smith goes to Washington! Mel Gibson remade it. Homer helped. Remember?

Army of One
August 10th, 2005, 11:04 PM
No! That is Mr. Smith goes to Washington! Mel Gibson remade it. Homer helped. Remember?
[Comic Book Guy voice]"Best Film Ending, Ever!"[/Comic Book Guy voice]

"All in agreement, say 'die' "

"Why was Mr. Smith killing everybody?" :rotfl:

allsmiles
August 11th, 2005, 07:02 AM
Now you can suddenly answer direct questions?

About owning a slave, how can you say anything? Did you own one? I thought you would say that you were not qualified to answer.

Opinion dude, it's just my opinion. I played along with your last question when i was done toying with you, don't act so confused, people will catch on and take advantage of you;)


Here is another question:
Is it absolutely wrong for a man to violently rape a woman?
Please answer without using the word 'opinion'.

In my opinion yes, it is wrong to violently rape a woman.

Granite
August 11th, 2005, 07:16 AM
And "gentle" rape...?:rolleyes:

I mean, JEEZ, people.

Servo
August 11th, 2005, 07:47 AM
Opinion dude, it's just my opinion. I played along with your last question when i was done toying with you, don't act so confused, people will catch on and take advantage of you;)


Actually I think it was that I called you 'allsmells' and you started to cry so I apologized.





In my opinion yes, it is wrong to violently rape a woman.

Uhh...what did I say about the word opinion?

Before you were born and had an 'opinion', was it wrong for a man to gently rape a woman?

Please don't 'toy' with me again.... :o

allsmiles
August 11th, 2005, 07:58 AM
Actually I think it was that I called you 'allsmells' and you started to cry so I apologized.

:D


Uhh...what did I say about the word opinion?

Not to use it;)


Before you were born and had an 'opinion', was it wrong for a man to gently rape a woman?

Please don't 'toy' with me again.... :o

i dunno, probably.