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Squeaky
October 2nd, 2017, 07:15 AM
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN WORD=(HE)(HE IS A SPIRITUAL TITLE OF AUTHORITY) THE ONLY BEGOTTEN WORD(HE) CAME THROUGH THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD (JESUS)

1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
Acts 2:36-39
36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 "For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
John 1:17-18
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
John 12:49-50
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
Heb 8:6
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
John 14:24-25
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
I Jn 1:1-3
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-11
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
2 Pet 1:19-21
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Mark 16:15-16
15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Matt 6:22-24
22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
23 "But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
2Pet 3:16-17
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I Jn 1:1-5
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
I Jn 2:23-24
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Rom 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
(NKJ)

Rom 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
(NKJ)


The Word of God is the power by which all things in heaven and earth submit. The Word came forth from God for all to receive this power. And the power was always given through a mediator. God was the original mediator that created it. God have that Word to Jesus. Then the Word was given to the Holy Spirit that distributes it from each individuals conscience(book of beliefs) in their mind. If and only if that individual has read the bible and put it in their beliefs(conscience). And when an individual has died to self by following the Holy Spirit(verses) and been born again. Then Jesus takes over the Word through the revelations of Jesus Christ, and rewrites their belief system(conscience). The Word of God is the power that all will have to answer to. This power is what justifies or condemns all and everything. God created it the power, and is willing to share it with those who will submit to it. Jesus was the first to submit to it on earth fully, and by that He was our example of how to receive it. When one totally submits to it the power(Word) the Word becomes alive in them. And by becoming alive in them we see the Word become flesh.
Note in verse 14 He the Word is full of grace and truth. And in verse 17 that grace and truth came through Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is not the Word. Jesus Christ is the human that submitted to the Word as an example to us, to follow. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. That the only begotten Word of God came through.

Squeaky
October 2nd, 2017, 07:40 AM
2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
(NKJ)

The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.

Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

Bishops 1568:
Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,

Geneva 1587:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.

And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."

Its easy to prove Jesus is not the Word of God. The Word came through Jesus from God.

John 1:17-18
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
(NKJ)

John 12:48-50
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
(NKJ)

Mark 13:23
23 "But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
(NKJ)


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Squeaky
November 24th, 2017, 09:51 PM
The Word of God is what is written in the bible.

2003cobra
November 24th, 2017, 11:38 PM
The Word of God is what is written in the bible.

Do you consider these words from 2 Timothy 4 to be the Word of God?

When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, also the books, and above all the parchments.

Squeaky
November 25th, 2017, 03:08 AM
Do you consider these words from 2 Timothy 4 to be the Word of God?

When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, also the books, and above all the parchments.


I said
Yes.

2003cobra
November 25th, 2017, 08:26 AM
Thank you for clearly stating your view.

I note that it does disagree with what the Bible says.

1 Timothy 1 says
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope, 2 To Timothy, my loyal child in the faith...

So the Bible says these are the words of Paul.

And since they ask for a cloak that was left by the writer in Troas, do you think God left his cloak in Troas? If these are the Words of God, then it must be God’s cloak. That God left his cloak doesn’t seem to be a well considered position.

Squeaky
November 25th, 2017, 08:52 AM
Thank you for clearly stating your view.

I note that it does disagree with what the Bible says.

1 Timothy 1 says
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope, 2 To Timothy, my loyal child in the faith...

So the Bible says these are the words of Paul.

And since they ask for a cloak that was left by the writer in Troas, do you think God left his cloak in Troas? If these are the Words of God, then it must be God’s cloak. That God left his cloak doesn’t seem to be a well considered position.

I said
You poor misguided soul. Don't you know that Jesus and the apostles were only delivering Gods Word to us. That they were all inspired by the Holy Spirit. That nothing said in the bible was said without it being from God. God sent Jesus and Jesus sent the apostles. All inspired by God.

[Heb 1:1-3
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
3 who being the brightness of [His] glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,


You don't sound like you have much faith in God. Like something could get put in Gods Word that wasn't approved by God. You have a very low opinion of Gods power to control His own Word.

2003cobra
November 25th, 2017, 09:14 AM
It sounds like you have a great faith in man’s declarations that every word in the Bible is directly from God, despite the fact that the Bible never claims that about itself.

Let me comment on this:
You don't sound like you have much faith in God. Like something could get put in Gods Word that wasn't approved by God. You have a very low opinion of Gods power to control His own Word.


I have read this error often: “if you don’t believe God did something, then you don’t believe He is capable of doing that something”

Those who recognize God does not heal every sick person claim “if you don’t believe God heals everyone then you think God is not capable of healing.

Those who pretend God dictated the Bible claim “if you don’t believe God dictated the Bible then you don’t believe He is capable of doing that.”

It is an argument with no merit and one that is held long term only out of insecurity or desperation.

In reality, those who must have a perfect Bible or their faith in God crumbles are the ones of little faith.

If you must have a perfect Bible to have faith in God, then you have built your house of faith on the sandy foundation of man’s claims about a book (claims not made in the book itself). But it is better to have faith in God through this exaggeration than not to have faith in God at all.

May God bless you. When you do find an error in the Bible, do remember that you can have faith in God without having faith in a perfect book. He never promised us a perfect book; He sent us a perfect Savior.

Squeaky
November 25th, 2017, 10:56 AM
It sounds like you have a great faith in man’s declarations that every word in the Bible is directly from God, despite the fact that the Bible never claims that about itself.

Let me comment on this:
You don't sound like you have much faith in God. Like something could get put in Gods Word that wasn't approved by God. You have a very low opinion of Gods power to control His own Word.


I have read this error often: “if you don’t believe God did something, then you don’t believe He is capable of doing that something”

Those who recognize God does not heal every sick person claim “if you don’t believe God heals everyone then you think God is not capable of healing.

Those who pretend God dictated the Bible claim “if you don’t believe God dictated the Bible then you don’t believe He is capable of doing that.”

It is an argument with no merit and one that is held long term only out of insecurity or desperation.

In reality, those who must have a perfect Bible or their faith in God crumbles are the ones of little faith.

If you must have a perfect Bible to have faith in God, then you have built your house of faith on the sandy foundation of man’s claims about a book (claims not made in the book itself). But it is better to have faith in God through this exaggeration than not to have faith in God at all.

May God bless you. When you do find an error in the Bible, do remember that you can have faith in God without having faith in a perfect book. He never promised us a perfect book; He sent us a perfect Savior.

I said
You have a very poor outlook on the power of God. There are rules to being a true believer. You have chopped the truth up and open the door for the devil to put in all his deceptions.

The rules to being a true believer are" Don't think beyond what is written, and don't add one word to the verses or take one word away from the verses.


1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

2003cobra
November 25th, 2017, 10:20 PM
You don’t think that passage from Revelation refers to all 80 books of the 1611 KJV (rather than just to the book of Revelation), do you?

Squeaky
November 26th, 2017, 02:55 AM
You don’t think that passage from Revelation refers to all 80 books of the 1611 KJV (rather than just to the book of Revelation), do you?

I said
I have received over 2700 of these revelations of Jesus Christ over the past 27 years. And every time the Holy Spirit gives them verses to me for someone else. It has always been for the whole new testament.

2003cobra
November 26th, 2017, 10:27 AM
I said
I have received over 2700 of these revelations of Jesus Christ over the past 27 years. And every time the Holy Spirit gives them verses to me for someone else. It has always been for the whole new testament.

Do you attend a local assembly? I am wondering if you share these revelations with the others for review.

1 Corinthians 14 says
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.

Squeaky
November 26th, 2017, 11:57 AM
Do you attend a local assembly? I am wondering if you share these revelations with the others for review.

1 Corinthians 14 says
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.


I said
I have went to hundreds of denominational churches. And every time I start quoting the verses. The preachers tell me "this conversation is over'. Over the years I have attended many home bible study groups. Where its more of a one on one relationship, and I can answer all their questions with verses right in front of them. I have led many to the Holy Spirit and they call me if they get stuck on a verse, or if they cant find one.

2003cobra
November 26th, 2017, 12:14 PM
That helps explain, thanks.

Squeaky
November 26th, 2017, 01:10 PM
That helps explain, thanks.

I said

Matt 7:13-14
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
(NKJ)

John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
(NKJ)

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

meshak
November 27th, 2017, 05:16 AM
I said
I have went to hundreds of denominational churches. And every time I start quoting the verses. The preachers tell me "this conversation is over'. Over the years I have attended many home bible study groups. Where its more of a one on one relationship, and I can answer all their questions with verses right in front of them. I have led many to the Holy Spirit and they call me if they get stuck on a verse, or if they cant find one.

this is impressive.

did you memorize the whole NT?

Squeaky
November 27th, 2017, 06:27 AM
this is impressive.

did you memorize the whole NT?

I said
No its not memorizing the scriptures, its believing them. I have a lousy memory. Every verse that I believed was written in my conscience. And within three months I was always tested to see if I would let that verse out of my mouth when the Holy Spirit gave it to me. In my mind. If I did the verse would stay in my book of beliefs. If I didn't the devil could take it out of my book of beliefs.

meshak
November 27th, 2017, 06:34 AM
I said
No its not memorizing the scriptures, its believing them. I have a lousy memory. Every verse that I believed was written in my conscience. And within three months I was always tested to see if I would let that verse out of my mouth when the Holy Spirit gave it to me. In my mind. If I did the verse would stay in my book of beliefs. If I didn't the devil could take it out of my book of beliefs.

this sounds like you memorized them.

Squeaky
November 27th, 2017, 06:59 AM
this sounds like you memorized them.

I said
You need to learn the difference between memorizing and believing. You can memorize something you don't believe.

meshak
November 27th, 2017, 07:02 AM
I said
You need to learn the difference between memorizing and believing. You can memorize something you don't believe.

I understand but it is so helpful for the forum like this one.

BTW, I don't memorize. I am not good at memorizing much. I just get whole Bible's contextual ideas.

Squeaky
November 27th, 2017, 07:55 AM
I understand but it is so helpful for the forum like this one.

BTW, I don't memorize. I am not good at memorizing much. I just get whole Bible's contextual ideas.

I said
I just believe the verses.