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LetsObeyChrist
July 13th, 2017, 08:25 PM
I will prove the following two propositions:

1) 666 is a biblical allusion to a man’s name in the Old Testament: Adonikam.

2) The Holy Spirit inspired this Riddle to strengthen the faith of the generation alive in the End Time that will see Adonikam rise to become the Antichrist Beast.

We solve riddles by heeding its details, and spotting any double entendre hinting at a solution. For example, Samson’s riddle (Judges 14:14) contained the solution, honey eaten from the carcass of a lion (Judges 14:8-9, 18):


So he said to them: “Out of the eater came something to eat, And out of the strong came something sweet.” Now for three days they could not explain the riddle. (Jdg. 14:14) NKJ

The word “lion” in Hebrew (ʾarî) is almost identical to an Arabic word for “honey” (ʾary).-Wolf, H. (1992). Judges. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 & 2 Samuel (Vol. 3, p. 468). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.


Lets Solve the 666 Meaning:


Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Rev. 13:18) KJV


John said 666 is the number OF a man, not the number of a name. That’s double entendre, 666 springs from the man, 666 exists because of what the man is or does, it is not his name in code. We must pay attention to the detail with strictness, John insisted we COUNT to arrive at 666, that is one half of the equation. To solve the riddle we must deduce the missing half of the equation that equals 666 and then determine what man caused that calculation to exist, for it is “OF” him. Therefore Gematria, numerology, symbolic meaning, etc. are completely irrelevant.

Lets review other details to find what else is implied in the wording:

This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666. (Rev. 13:18) ESV

Christians seek wisdom in scripture, therefore John’s call for it must involve the Bible. Adonikam is the only Bible name of a man 666 and a calculation point to that everyone (3588 ὁ ho) understanding the Bible can find. Once directly (Ezra 2:13) and once after a calculation (Neh. 7:18) subtracting Adonikam’s father who must have had the same name, so 667-1=666 still points to Adonikam. The only reason for the existence of 666 and the calculation resulting in 666, is the man Adonikam so in that sense its the number OF a man named Adonikam, and also the number OF the Beast:

The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six. (Ezr. 2:13) KJV

The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and seven. (Neh. 7:18) KJV

Having these two verses point to the same name is like having “two witnesses” establishing the matter (Deut. 19:15).

Adonikam alone is the elegant solution, it alone assembles John’s puzzle following all his requirements and still satisfies his expectation anyone with Bible wisdom will discover the one name he had in mind when he penned this riddle.

Not so Kabbalistic Gematria. The pieces just do not fit, and regardless how it is tweaked, so many names are produced it will never satisfy John’s expectation only one name will result and the probability the reader will pick the name John had in mind is infinitesimal.

For more click here (http://endtimenews.net/666-meaning/)

Epoisses
July 14th, 2017, 11:34 AM
The antichrist will have the characteristics of Solomon and Adonikam the two '666' men of the old testament. He will come and rule the world and take the throne of David but then force the world into some kind of idolatrous worship like Solomon. He will also restore and rebuild Jerusalem and the temple like Adonikam and his family restored the 2nd temple with Zerubbabel.

daqq
July 14th, 2017, 12:09 PM
Six hundred cubits is the symbolic number for the entire temple complex.
Sixty cubits is the symbolic number for height of the gates.
Six cubits is the symbolic number for the walls, (one reed).

You are the temple.

Epoisses
July 14th, 2017, 12:13 PM
Six hundred cubits is the symbolic number for the entire temple complex.
Sixty cubits is the symbolic number for height of the gates.
Six cubits is the symbolic number for the walls, (one reed).

You are the temple.

Ergo the rebuilt 3rd temple with it's accompanying return to the Law will be the idolatrous worship introduced by the antichrist!

daqq
July 14th, 2017, 12:44 PM
Ergo the rebuilt 3rd temple with it's accompanying return to the Law will be the idolatrous worship introduced by the antichrist!

Physical temple buildings made with the hands of men have nothing to do with it, for if indeed "the prince of the power of the air" and "spirit of the world" went out from you when you first believed, then you are commanded to watch, (Mark 13:37, for every disciple is likened to the porter of the door of the house while the Master is as if "away in a far journey", Mark 13:34), for no doubt that same old man spirit of the world and prince of the power of the air will return according to the doctrine of the Master, (Matthew 12:43-45, Luke 11:24-26). For the same reason we are admonished to "test the spirits" to see whether they be of Elohim or not. The one speaking and teaching lawlessness is surely not of Elohim.

Epoisses
July 14th, 2017, 03:18 PM
Physical temple buildings made with the hands of men have nothing to do with it, for if indeed "the prince of the power of the air" and "spirit of the world" went out from you when you first believed, then you are commanded to watch, (Mark 13:37, for every disciple is likened to the porter of the door of the house while the Master is as if "away in a far journey", Mark 13:34), for no doubt that same old man spirit of the world and prince of the power of the air will return according to the doctrine of the Master, (Matthew 12:43-45, Luke 11:24-26). For the same reason we are admonished to "test the spirits" to see whether they be of Elohim or not. The one speaking and teaching lawlessness is surely not of Elohim.

Read Daniel 9, Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, 2Thess. 2 and almost all of Revelation and open your eyes because those things weren't fulfilled in the past! All Christians for the first 300 years believed that Israel would come to prominence at the end and a future temple would be built where the antichrist would rule the world and we are seeing all of this except for the temple today.

daqq
July 14th, 2017, 10:05 PM
Read Daniel 9, Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, 2Thess. 2 and almost all of Revelation and open your eyes because those things weren't fulfilled in the past! All Christians for the first 300 years believed that Israel would come to prominence at the end and a future temple would be built where the antichrist would rule the world and we are seeing all of this except for the temple today.

You flatter yourself by telling yourself that I have not read those things. If I did not continually study those things in light of the Gospel accounts and the Testimony of the Master I would not be posting here. And by saying what you have, about so much having never been fulfilled, you reveal that you walk according to the carnal and physical nature in your doctrine because you see those things as physical in meaning. You also disqualify your version of the Messiah because if what you say is true then many things he said never came to pass and he therefore violates the commandments of the Torah, (for example Deut 18:15-22, which passage is even applied to him by Peter in Acts 3:22-26). The reality is of course not that he violated anything but that your version of the Messiah is perverted for your own benefit; and that you cannot help but do, because you walk according to the old man nature in your doctrine, and do not even know that you are doing what you do. And in so doing you deny the full work of the Messiah and all that is accomplished in the Gospel accounts and at Golgotha; none of which you understand, because you do not believe him when he tells you that his words are Spirit.

daqq
July 14th, 2017, 11:38 PM
https://sites.google.com/site/elaiasindex/_/rsrc/1475111278060/ezekiel-temple/ezek-temple.gif
Let them measure the pattern . . . (https://sites.google.com/site/elaiasindex/ezekiel-temple) (Ezekiel 43:10).

https://sites.google.com/site/elaiasindex/_/rsrc/1500095379168/ezekiel-temple/ezekiel-mikdash-gates.png

1 Chronicles 21:25
25 And David gave to Ornan for the place [the whole threshingfloor] six hundred shekels of gold by weight.

Ezekiel 43:6-12
6 And I heard him speaking to me out of the house; and the certain one stood by me.
7 And he said to me, Son of man, the place of My throne, and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel to olam, ["to the aiona-age" - LXX] and My holy name shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcasses of their kings in their high places.
8 In their setting of their threshold by My thresholds, and their post by My posts, and the wall between Me and them, they have even defiled My holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in My fury.
9 Now let them put away their whoredom and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in the midst of them to olam.
10 You, son of man, show the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, show them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
12 This is the law of the house: Upon the top of the mountain, the whole limit thereof roundabout shall be most Holy, behold, this is the law of the house!

The profane or commons area is the area which is fifty cubits roundabout in the larger diagram of the temple complex, (which fifty cubits roundabout makes the perimeter 600x600 square and is therefore included in the "law of the house" because it is in the whole limit as the passage quoted above states). The symbolism of the profane commons area is therefore "the flesh" in the body-temple analogies as even taught by Paul, wherein dwells nothing good, (Rom 7:18), but only sin, evil, and symbolic "evil beasts", (the nature of "the flesh").

LetsObeyChrist
July 15th, 2017, 09:27 AM
The antichrist will have the characteristics of Solomon and Adonikam the two '666' men of the old testament. He will come and rule the world and take the throne of David but then force the world into some kind of idolatrous worship like Solomon. He will also restore and rebuild Jerusalem and the temple like Adonikam and his family restored the 2nd temple with Zerubbabel.

Interesting, but where is the scripture supporting any of that.

Epoisses
July 15th, 2017, 09:28 AM
References to the sanctuary and temple are some of the most confusing in bible prophecy because there were so many different applications. Moses built the sanctuary in the wilderness and the more permanent temple was built by Solomon and later rebuilt by Zerubabbel. There is a temple in heaven that is described in Hebrews and Revelation where Jesus ministers as our great high priest. God’s people are referred to individually as a spiritual temple and collectively as a holy city or royal priesthood. Context is the key to knowing what is being described. All three applications will be represented in the last days.

beameup
July 15th, 2017, 09:51 AM
The group that is pushing for the Temple to be rebuilt, feel that "if they build it, he will come". The Temple Institute has already made replacements for all the pieces that were made and put inside the Tabernacle, and later transferred to the Temple (except the ark).

In a dozen places in the O.T. there are references to the Temple being placed within the City of David and near the Gihon Spring; that is NOT on the "Temple Mount", it is 600 ft. SOUTH of it.

Since John in revelation states that the outer court will be accessible to the Gentiles, that leaves only the "Temple Proper" which contains the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place (holy of holies). That is a rather small structure and it would be the THIRD Temple. The Third Temple will be destroyed at the coming of Messiah due to massive earthquakes - the entire landscape will change.

Ezekiels Temple will then be the FOURTH Temple and will be massive and will be built by Messiah. That is the "Millennial Temple".

Epoisses
July 15th, 2017, 09:59 AM
He will come first and then it will be built. The antichrist is not some Romanian nationalist but a fallen angel. So everyone who is looking on earth for him needs to point there telescopes up to the stars because that's where he will come from.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal. 1:8

deborah
July 15th, 2017, 12:59 PM
According to traditional Judaism "Kabbalah " it means a great secret , perfection and those of the light .


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beameup
July 15th, 2017, 09:15 PM
He will come first and then it will be built. The antichrist is not some Romanian nationalist but a fallen angel. So everyone who is looking on earth for him needs to point there telescopes up to the stars because that's where he will come from.

The False Christ will be a man, just like Judas Escariot was a man, when Satan entered into him.

After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Therefore Jesus *said to him, “What you do, do quickly.” - John 13:27
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. - Luke 22:3

CherubRam
July 15th, 2017, 10:26 PM
VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast: http://biblelight.net/666.htm

CherubRam
July 15th, 2017, 10:29 PM
According to traditional Judaism "Kabbalah " it means a great secret , perfection and those of the light .


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VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast: http://biblelight.net/666.htm

deborah
July 16th, 2017, 01:26 AM
VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast: http://biblelight.net/666.htm

Thankyou for the link although I'm well aware of the bible says on the matter I just like to research a little deeper . Take a look at this
http://www.betemunah.org/six.html


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beameup
July 16th, 2017, 02:23 AM
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; - 2 Thessalonians 2:3

I think someone needs to read the Bible.

CherubRam
July 16th, 2017, 05:28 AM
Thankyou for the link although I'm well aware of the bible says on the matter I just like to research a little deeper . Take a look at this
http://www.betemunah.org/six.html


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I'm not into mysticism.

deborah
July 16th, 2017, 05:58 AM
I'm not into mysticism.

Me neither , i find it interesting where these ideas originate or spread to .


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musterion
July 16th, 2017, 06:25 AM
I knew a guy that spent pages making the case that the Antichrist would be Judas, resurrected.

beameup
July 16th, 2017, 06:47 AM
I knew a guy that spent pages making the case that the Antichrist would be Judas, resurrected.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: - Hebrews 9:27
Judas hung himself to death.
However, I've also heard the conjecture that the Antichrist will be Nimrod. However, it is recorded in ancient Hebrew documents that Esau killed Nimrod.

chair
July 16th, 2017, 06:52 AM
Adonikam is the name of a place, not a man.
Read the whole chapter in Ezra, and you'll see. It is a list of places that people came from.

Sorry to ruin the fun.

Chair

Epoisses
July 16th, 2017, 07:15 AM
The False Christ will be a man, just like Judas Escariot was a man, when Satan entered into him.

After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Therefore Jesus *said to him, “What you do, do quickly.” - John 13:27
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. - Luke 22:3

The antichrist is Satan and the man of sin is his right hand man. John said the antichrist was at work in the 1st century and he is a spiritual entity. So they are not the same persons.

Epoisses
July 16th, 2017, 07:18 AM
Adonikam is the name of a place, not a man.
Read the whole chapter in Ezra, and you'll see. It is a list of places that people came from.

Sorry to ruin the fun.

Chair

The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six. Ezra 2:13

And of the last sons of Adonikam, whose names are these, Eliphelet, Jeiel, and Shemaiah, and with them threescore males. Ezra 8:13

Does a place have children, lol!?!

chair
July 16th, 2017, 07:27 AM
The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six. Ezra 2:13

And of the last sons of Adonikam, whose names are these, Eliphelet, Jeiel, and Shemaiah, and with them threescore males. Ezra 8:13

Does a place have children, lol!?!

In Hebrew a place can have "sons". The term "sons" can associate people with a place or a group. Some of the translations (in Ezra) have it as "the people" instead of "sons", since the translators understood this.

Again, sorry to ruin the fun.

daqq
July 16th, 2017, 07:30 AM
The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six. Ezra 2:13

And of the last sons of Adonikam, whose names are these, Eliphelet, Jeiel, and Shemaiah, and with them threescore males. Ezra 8:13

Does a place have children, lol!?!

Ezra 2:21-28
21 The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twenty and three.
22 The men of Netophah, fifty and six.
23 The men of Anathoth, an hundred twenty and eight.
24 The children of Azmaveth, forty and two.
25 The children of Kirjatharim, Chephirah, and Beeroth, seven hundred and forty and three.
26 The children of Ramah and Gaba, six hundred twenty and one.
27 The men of Michmas, an hundred twenty and two.
28 The men of Bethel and Ai, two hundred twenty and three.

Epoisses
July 16th, 2017, 07:39 AM
In Hebrew a place can have "sons". The term "sons" can associate people with a place or a group. Some of the translations (in Ezra) have it as "the people" instead of "sons", since the translators understood this.

Again, sorry to ruin the fun.

The majority of Ezra 8 is a chronicle of the genealogies of those who returned from Babylon not just Adonikam.

You can't be that stupid! But maybe you are.

chair
July 16th, 2017, 08:01 AM
The majority of Ezra 8 is a chronicle of the genealogies of those who returned from Babylon not just Adonikam.

You can't be that stupid! But maybe you are.

Ezra 2 lists places. if you look at the entire chapter, as daqq has done, you will see it immediately. Some of the place-names are easily identified today.

Ezra 8 is a list of families. Genealogies, as you put it. many of the family names and place names are identical, but it remains that Ezra 2 is places, Ezra 8 is families.

Calling me stupid does not advance your argument. It is unwarranted, and you should apologize.

beameup
July 16th, 2017, 08:07 AM
The antichrist is Satan and the man of sin is his right hand man. John said the antichrist was at work in the 1st century and he is a spiritual entity. So they are not the same persons.

The more accurate term would be "False Messiah". As there was a "Genuine Messiah", there will be Satan's counterpart, the "False or Counterfeit" Messiah. As was the case with Judas, Satan has the ability to enter into and take-over a MAN, giving him immeasurable supernatural powers. There will also be a "False Prophet", who of necessity also be a JEW.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come an apostasia first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
And then shall that Wicked One be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thess 2:3-4, 8-9

CherubRam
July 16th, 2017, 09:18 AM
Me neither , i find it interesting where these ideas originate or spread to .


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It originates from vain imaginings and spreads to other people.

deborah
July 16th, 2017, 10:18 AM
It originates from vain imaginings and spreads to other people.

So the bible/Christianity borrowed it numerology from vain Imaginings ?


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Danoh
July 16th, 2017, 11:10 AM
The more accurate term would be "False Messiah". As there was a "Genuine Messiah", there will be Satan's counterpart, the "False or Counterfeit" Messiah. As was the case with Judas, Satan has the ability to enter into and take-over a MAN, giving him immeasurable supernatural powers. There will also be a "False Prophet", who of necessity also be a JEW.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come an apostasia first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
And then shall that Wicked One be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thess 2:3-4, 8-9

Yep - a Jew he will be.

Daniel 2:23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.

In contrast as to "things that differ" in Scripture with...

Daniel 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

And the "falling away first" also refers to Jews.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Rom. 5:8
Acts 17:11,12.

chrysostom
July 16th, 2017, 11:21 AM
John insisted we COUNT to arrive at 666,

most bibles say we calculate 666

chrysostom
July 16th, 2017, 11:32 AM
the most common mark is a date
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I discuss this in my blog

Danoh
July 16th, 2017, 11:35 AM
most bibles say we calculate 666

Here is a clue to said calculation.

In Scripture, 6 is the number of man.

And 66, the number of rebellion.

Rom. 5:8
Acts 17:11,12.

CherubRam
July 16th, 2017, 11:57 AM
So the bible/Christianity borrowed it numerology from vain Imaginings ?


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The bible uses Astronomy and Numerics, not Astrology and Numerology.

deborah
July 16th, 2017, 12:00 PM
The bible uses Astronomy and Numerics, not Astrology and Numerology.

So on a thread about a particular number and its physical/spiritual meaning , you say the bible doesn't contain numerology ?!?!


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CherubRam
July 16th, 2017, 12:00 PM
Here is a clue to said calculation.

In Scripture, 6 is the number of man.

And 66, the number of rebellion.

Rom. 5:8
Acts 17:11,12.

In Greek and Hebrew letters are used as numbers. The bible says that we calculate the whole number 666.

CherubRam
July 16th, 2017, 12:02 PM
So on a thread about a particular number and its physical/spiritual meaning , you say the bible doesn't contain numerology ?!?!


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That is correct, the bible does not use Astrology and Numerology.

chrysostom
July 16th, 2017, 12:02 PM
the most common mark is a date
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I discuss this in my blog

622 of the gregorian calendar is the beginning of islam
-but- the gregorian calendar didn't start until 1585
-and- at that time the julian calendar was in effect
-so- it was 666 of that calendar
this requires a calculation and wisdom

deborah
July 16th, 2017, 12:03 PM
Numerology meaning the significance of numbers ?


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Danoh
July 16th, 2017, 12:11 PM
In Greek and Hebrew letters are used as numbers. The bible says that we calculate the whole number 666.

What the Bible asserts about one thing or another is often based on prior doctrine or teaching on one thing or another It has laid down prior to said later assertion.

This here, for example...

Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

...was based on books in Scripture like Jeremiah, where said number of years had been plainly laid out.

And as Daniel notes in his prayer in that chapter, Jeremiah et al, had been based on the books of Moses.

Or as one of said other Prophets had so well put it...

"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" Isaiah 8:20.

Rom. 5:8
Acts 17:11,12

patrick jane
July 16th, 2017, 12:17 PM
What the Bible asserts about one thing or another is often based on prior doctrine or teaching on one thing or another It has laid down prior to said later assertion.

:chuckle:

Epoisses
July 16th, 2017, 04:12 PM
Ezra 2 lists places. if you look at the entire chapter, as daqq has done, you will see it immediately. Some of the place-names are easily identified today.

Ezra 8 is a list of families. Genealogies, as you put it. many of the family names and place names are identical, but it remains that Ezra 2 is places, Ezra 8 is families.

Calling me stupid does not advance your argument. It is unwarranted, and you should apologize.

Did Adonikam visit six hundred and sixty six places?

No, he didn't so you're stupid and will just wrest the scriptures every chance you get.

LetsObeyChrist
July 16th, 2017, 05:55 PM
most bibles say we calculate 666

Yes, that works also.
5585 ψηφίζω psephizo
Meaning: 1) to count with pebbles, to compute, calculate,

My strongest argument is in the scriptural method for solving riddles, Samson's was cited, double entendre is what should be looked for.

But also there is a text which clearly advocates the study of Scripture to solve scriptural riddles:

6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Prov. 1:6-7 KJV)

CherubRam
July 16th, 2017, 06:42 PM
Numerology meaning the significance of numbers ?


Sent from my iPhone using TOL

Numerology has to do with mysticism.

chair
July 16th, 2017, 09:57 PM
Did Adonikam visit six hundred and sixty six places?

No, he didn't so you're stupid and will just wrest the scriptures every chance you get.

I never said that Adinokam visited 666 places. Nor do the verses. And that is exactly the point. Read the entire chapter. Ezra 2. here are some verses:


The children of Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.
The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.
The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twenty and three.
The men of Anathoth, an hundred twenty and eight.

Elam, Bethlehem, and Anathoth are names of places. I am quite certain that a smart learned man like you will immediately recognize the last two from the Bible.

It lists how many people came from each place. Not how many places they visit. The verse doesn't say anything at all like that.

It would be a good idea to actually read the verses, understand what they say, and afterwards think before you write. When you are done- consider apologizing. There is no need to call other people stupid just because you disagree with them. Even if you are clearly wrong.

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 01:01 AM
Yes, that works also.
5585 ψηφίζω psephizo
Meaning: 1) to count with pebbles, to compute, calculate,

My strongest argument is in the scriptural method for solving riddles, Samson's was cited, double entendre is what should be looked for.

But also there is a text which clearly advocates the study of Scripture to solve scriptural riddles:

6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Prov. 1:6-7 KJV)

The "reason for the riddle" is that the author of the Apocalypse is a Kohen, and understands the passages which are written concerning the Kohanim, and thus, one of few who even has the right to speak or write such things.

Luke 3:2 W/H
2 επι αρχιερεως αννα και καιαφα εγενετο ρημα θεου επι ιωαννην τον ζαχαριου υιον εν τη ερημω

Luke 3:2 ASV
2 in the high-priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

αννα και καιαφα ― Luke 3:2 ― Gematria 666
Two horns like a lamb and speaks like a dragon, (Revelation 13:11).

Ezekiel 28:14-16
14 You are the anointed Cherub [כרוב ממשח - Gematria 616] that covers; and I have set you so: you were upon the holy mountain of Elohim; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [the Ephod breastplate and the two shoulder stones - LXX contains all fourteen stones of fire and the gold].
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you.
16 By the multitude of your merchandise they have filled the midst of you with violence, and you have sinned: therefore I will cast you as profane out of the mountain of Elohim: and I will destroy you, O covering Cherub, [כרוב הסכך - Gematria 333] from the midst of the stones of fire.

John 19:15 W/H
15 εκραυγασαν ουν εκεινοι αρον αρον σταυρωσον αυτον λεγει αυτοις ο πιλατος τον βασιλεα υμων σταυρωσω απεκριθησαν οι αρχιερεις ουκ εχομεν βασιλεα ει μη καισαρα

John 19:15 ASV
15 They therefore cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him! Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

The only currency allowable for use in the Herod Temple was the Tyrian Shekel:
Shekel of Tyre (http://www.bible.ca/coins/Jesus-coins-of-the-bible-Phoenician-Tyre-Tyrian-Shekel-official-sancturary-Temple-tax-Peters-fish-money-changers-Judas-30-silver-pieces.htm) ― Tryian Shekel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_shekel) (Melqart Baal) ― Prince & King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28).

But the chief Kohanim joined themselves unto Caesar when they cried:
"We have no king but Caesar", (John 19:15).

כרוב הסכך (kərūḇ has-sōḵêḵ) ― Ezekiel 28:16 ― Gematria 333
καισαρα (Caesar) ― John 19:15 ― Gematria 333

כרוב הסכך (Cherub of the covering) + καισαρα (Caesar) = Gematria 666

But of course if you, like most literalist futurists, insist that the authorship of the Apocalypse must be dated late first century, (generally circa 95-96AD is the time frame proposed), then your paradigm master will not allow you to see these things because they do not comply with your self-imposed prerequisites.

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 07:30 AM
I never said that Adinokam visited 666 places. Nor do the verses. And that is exactly the point. Read the entire chapter. Ezra 2. here are some verses:


The children of Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.
The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.
The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twenty and three.
The men of Anathoth, an hundred twenty and eight.

Elam, Bethlehem, and Anathoth are names of places. I am quite certain that a smart learned man like you will immediately recognize the last two from the Bible.

It lists how many people came from each place. Not how many places they visit. The verse doesn't say anything at all like that.

It would be a good idea to actually read the verses, understand what they say, and afterwards think before you write. When you are done- consider apologizing. There is no need to call other people stupid just because you disagree with them. Even if you are clearly wrong.

Now these are the children of the province that went up out of the captivity, of those which had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city; Which came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiaha, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel: Ezra 2:1-2

OK Chair lets take this back to a kindergarten level.

Was Zerubabbel a Place? or Joshua? or Nehemiah or Mordecai?

All the numbers of each descendent are listed in vs. 2-60 and then in vs. 64 the number of the whole congregation is listed at 42,360.

They are not places, Chair. They are the actual names of real descendants not places. Why am I even conversing with a sorcerer like you. Your spells don't work on me.

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 07:55 AM
Now these are the children of the province that went up out of the captivity, of those which had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city; Which came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiaha, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel: Ezra 2:1-2

OK Chair lets take this back to a kindergarten level.

Was Zerubabbel a Place? or Joshua? or Nehemiah or Mordecai?

All the numbers of each descendent are listed in vs. 2-60 and then in vs. 64 the number of the whole congregation is listed at 42,360.

They are not places, Chair. They are the actual names of real descendants not places. Why am I even conversing with a sorcerer like you. Your spells don't work on me.

:rotfl:

chrysostom
July 17th, 2017, 08:00 AM
most historians won't go near the year 666
-but-
in my blog I show that it was that year when islam first attacked constantinople

chair
July 17th, 2017, 08:05 AM
Now these are the children of the province that went up out of the captivity, of those which had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city; Which came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiaha, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel: Ezra 2:1-2

OK Chair lets take this back to a kindergarten level.

Was Zerubabbel a Place? or Joshua? or Nehemiah or Mordecai?

All the numbers of each descendent are listed in vs. 2-60 and then in vs. 64 the number of the whole congregation is listed at 42,360.

They are not places, Chair. They are the actual names of real descendants not places. Why am I even conversing with a sorcerer like you. Your spells don't work on me.

The introduction mentions people. The list is that of places. Have you read the list? Even today some of these places are easily recognized:

Ater of Hezekiah
Bethlehem
Netophah
Anathoth
Kirjatharim, Chephirah, and Beeroth
Ramah and Gaba
Michmas
Bethel and Ai
Jericho

The end of the chapter could be dealing with families- priests, singers, Levites.

Now please put your insult gun on safety, and try again.

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 08:58 AM
The end of the chapter could be dealing with families- priests, singers, Levites.

There is a way to count 42 cities up to the Levites, (up to v.40). :)

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 01:58 PM
The introduction mentions people. The list is that of places. Have you read the list? Even today some of these places are easily recognized:

Ater of Hezekiah
Bethlehem
Netophah
Anathoth
Kirjatharim, Chephirah, and Beeroth
Ramah and Gaba
Michmas
Bethel and Ai
Jericho

The end of the chapter could be dealing with families- priests, singers, Levites.

Now please put your insult gun on safety, and try again.

Ok Chair you want to cherry pick names from the list I can do that to:

Shephatiah - a name of one of David's sons
Bani - the name of one of david's mighty men and several levites
Azgad - listed in Nehemiah among those who were sealed
Bigvai - listed in Nehemiah 10 as one who was sealed
Adin - listed in Nehemiah 10 with those who were sealed
Ater of Hezekiah - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed
Bezai - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed
Hashum - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests
Azmaveth - one of David's mighty men, descendant of Jonathan
Harim - listed in Neh. 10 and 12 of the sealed priests
Jedaiah - a Levite priest

Many of these names are repeated in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests, are they places?

If a place has sons and daughters are they townhouses or condos?

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 01:59 PM
:rotfl:

You're just a wizard in training. Remember if you play with Jewish magic you eventually get burned.

chair
July 17th, 2017, 04:01 PM
Ok Chair you want to cherry pick names from the list I can do that to:

Shephatiah - a name of one of David's sons
Bani - the name of one of david's mighty men and several levites
Azgad - listed in Nehemiah among those who were sealed
Bigvai - listed in Nehemiah 10 as one who was sealed
Adin - listed in Nehemiah 10 with those who were sealed
Ater of Hezekiah - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed
Bezai - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed
Hashum - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests
Azmaveth - one of David's mighty men, descendant of Jonathan
Harim - listed in Neh. 10 and 12 of the sealed priests
Jedaiah - a Levite priest

Many of these names are repeated in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests, are they places?

If a place has sons and daughters are they townhouses or condos?

If you take a look at Nehemiah 7, you will see a similar list. It seems that these people represented their communities. It has to do with punctuation:

Ater-Hizkijah, Azzur, i.e. Azur is the representative of the place called Ater-Hizkiijah
likewise:
Hariph-Anathoth, Nebai
and so on

By the way, I am not making up punctuation here. I am following the traditional Massoretic way of reading the text. English punctuation doesn't have as many fine distinctions.

Still, you raise an interesting point. It seems that some places were named after families- or maybe the other way around. So how can one sort it out?

Let's look at Ezra 2 again. Who would have 2,056 children? A man? A family? A city?

More interesting is this verse:
25 The children of Kirjatharim, Chephirah, and Beeroth, seven hundred and forty and three.
Why are these lumped together? If they are neighboring cities it makes sense. Likewise for Ramah and Gaba.

I think part of the difficulty here is in understanding how the term "son" or "sons" is used in Hebrew. It is used much more flexibly in Hebrew than in English. To take an example that is related to your last comment, one can speak of "Jerusalem and its daughters" to mean Jerusalem and associated towns. See Joshua 17:11 for similar examples.

I will point out that I don't care one way or the other about "666". I do care about understanding verses.

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 05:04 PM
You're just a wizard in training. Remember if you play with Jewish magic you eventually get burned.

Yes, of course, anyone who has an inkling of an understanding of what they read, and says or quotes anything that does not agree with you or your doctrine, is surely a wizard playing with fire and practicing magic. Did you wake up in the 1200's or somewhere thereabouts? :)

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 05:43 PM
You're just a wizard in training. Remember if you play with Jewish magic you eventually get burned.

Oh my gosh, this thread has just had 666 views!
Run for your life, Epishesh, so you don't get tainted with eveel !!!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!! :)

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 06:17 PM
If you take a look at Nehemiah 7, you will see a similar list. It seems that these people represented their communities. It has to do with punctuation:

Ater-Hizkijah, Azzur, i.e. Azur is the representative of the place called Ater-Hizkiijah
likewise:
Hariph-Anathoth, Nebai
and so on

By the way, I am not making up punctuation here. I am following the traditional Massoretic way of reading the text. English punctuation doesn't have as many fine distinctions.

Still, you raise an interesting point. It seems that some places were named after families- or maybe the other way around. So how can one sort it out?

Let's look at Ezra 2 again. Who would have 2,056 children? A man? A family? A city?

More interesting is this verse:
25 The children of Kirjatharim, Chephirah, and Beeroth, seven hundred and forty and three.
Why are these lumped together? If they are neighboring cities it makes sense. Likewise for Ramah and Gaba.

I think part of the difficulty here is in understanding how the term "son" or "sons" is used in Hebrew. It is used much more flexibly in Hebrew than in English. To take an example that is related to your last comment, one can speak of "Jerusalem and its daughters" to mean Jerusalem and associated towns. See Joshua 17:11 for similar examples.

I will point out that I don't care one way or the other about "666". I do care about understanding verses.

Oh, that sounds like somewhat of an agreement! Is the city of David a place or a person? Also Elam is listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests.

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 06:22 PM
Yes, of course, anyone who has an inkling of an understanding of what they read, and says or quotes anything that does not agree with you or your doctrine, is surely a wizard playing with fire and practicing magic. Did you wake up in the 1200's or somewhere thereabouts? :)

Jewish magic is a reference to mystical Kabbalah practices where the Old testament is used in such a way to nullify or make void the grace-based teaching of the New Testament. A wizard who casts spells is someone with arguments that are so convincing that they cause others to reject Christ and grace and the gospel. Jacob on this forum is an example of someone who has been 'taken down' by these practices. Dispensational beliefs are also an example of this dark art. John Darby was a wizard or sorcerer.

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 06:48 PM
Jewish magic is a reference to mystical Kabbalah practices where the Old testament is used in such a way to nullify or make void the grace-based teaching of the New Testament. A wizard who casts spells is someone with arguments that are so convincing that they cause others to reject Christ and grace and the gospel. Jacob on this forum is an example of someone who has been 'taken down' by these practices.

Nope, it is clearly YOU who delights in casting your own spells by broadcasting false and slanderous insinuations and accusations at people who disagree with you in an open forum: and that seems to be especially true with those who can actually support what they say and believe from the same scripture which you yourself claim to believe and uphold. By the way your previous post was post number sixty dear superstitious one: O say it isn't true! No doubt the boil in your forehead is beginning to fester! :chuckle:

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 06:57 PM
Nope, it is clearly YOU who delights in casting your own spells by broadcasting false and slanderous insinuations and accusations at people who disagree with you in an open forum: and that seems to be especially true with those who can actually support what they say and believe from the same scripture which you yourself claim to believe and uphold. By the way your previous post was post number sixty dear superstitious one: O say it isn't true! No doubt the boil in your forehead is beginning to fester! :chuckle:

In post #7 you defended the Torah so you are just a wizard in training. You really don't have the skills to take down anyone of significance so you just lay in wait for the weak and sickly in the rear of the camp.

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 07:03 PM
In post #7 you defended the Torah so you are just a wizard in training. You really don't have the skills to take down anyone of significance so you just lay in wait for the weak and sickly in the rear of the camp.

You have it backwards from your very own backwards master: those who hate the Torah are of the LAWLESS ONE, and even Paul plainly tells you that. Of course I defend the Torah because I know it to be holy and true, and not only that but it is the Word of the Father, the same Word whom you falsely claim to know and even worship. Stephen also tells you that the Torah is the Living Word in Acts 7, (Living Oracles). Was he not full of the Holy Spirit when he gave his testimony or do you simply reject his testimony the same as you reject the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts? No doubt your devil horns are now beginning to sprout! Try to stop digging at the boils in your forehead. :chuckle:

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 07:06 PM
You have it backwards from your very own backwards master: those who hate the Torah are of the LAWLESS ONE, and even Paul plainly tells you that. Of course I defend the Torah because I know it to be holy and true, and not only that but it is the Word of the Father, the same Word whom you falsely claim to know and even worship. Stephen also tells you that the Torah is the Living Word in Acts 7, (Living Oracles). Was he not full of the Holy Spirit when he gave his testimony or do you simply reject his testimony the same as you reject the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts? No doubt your devil horns are now beginning to sprout! Try to stop digging at the boils in your forehead. :chuckle:

Ellen White is also an excellent example of a sorceress who used the OT Sabbath to defeat the NT gospel. Her followers number in the millions today.

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 07:11 PM
Ellen White is also an excellent example of a sorceress who used the OT Sabbath to defeat the NT gospel. Her followers number in the millions today.

So what? what does that have to do with the topic? and no, I am not a Seventh Day Adventist. How can you so blatantly practice the evil that you display herein while imagining in the machinations of your vain imagination that no one will be able to see what you are doing?

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 07:14 PM
So what? what does that have to do with the topic? and no, I am not a Seventh Day Adventist. How can you so blatantly practice the evil that you display herein while imagining in the machinations of your vain imagination that no one will be able to see what you are doing?

You should become one because you have the same beliefs as them, Harry Potter!

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 07:18 PM
In post #7 you defended the Torah so you are just a wizard in training. You really don't have the skills to take down anyone of significance so you just lay in wait for the weak and sickly in the rear of the camp.

This is from one of your fellow squeaky Torah hater threads from earlier today:


Lol, even according to Paul it is exactly the opposite of what you say!
THE LAWLESS ONE is the man of sin or son of perdition:

2 Thessalonians 2:8 W/H
8 και τοτε αποκαλυφθησεται ο ανομος [G#459] ον ο κυριος [ιησους] ανελει τω πνευματι του στοματος αυτου και καταργησει τη επιφανεια της παρουσιας αυτου

How can anyone not understand HO ANOMOS? Or is it that you CHOOSE to put your faith and trust in the translations of clearly biased men who hate the Law just as you do?

Yep, according to Paul, whom you love, your teacher is "ο ανομος" . . .
That is to say, the TORAHLESS-LAWLESS ONE.

:sheep:

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 07:20 PM
This is from one of your fellow squeaky Torah hater threads from earlier today:

Yep, according to Paul, whom you love, your teacher is "ο ανομος" . . .
That is to say, the TORAHLESS-LAWLESS ONE.

:sheep:

That was the weakest spell yet, loser! Wave your wand better so you can get more magic.

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 07:49 PM
That was the weakest spell yet, loser! Wave your wand better so you can get more magic.


Where have I posted any such things, or teachings, or doctrines of any organization, or religion, or coven, or whatever, that you know of? All I posted, which apparently set you off on your fantasy witch-hunt attack mode, was strictly from the scripture, (except for the information links concerning the historical shekel of Tyre which was indeed used for commerce by the money changers in the Herodian Temple of the second temple era in the time of Messiah).



The "reason for the riddle" is that the author of the Apocalypse is a Kohen, and understands the passages which are written concerning the Kohanim, and thus, one of few who even has the right to speak or write such things.

Luke 3:2 W/H
2 επι αρχιερεως αννα και καιαφα εγενετο ρημα θεου επι ιωαννην τον ζαχαριου υιον εν τη ερημω

Luke 3:2 ASV
2 in the high-priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

αννα και καιαφα ― Luke 3:2 ― Gematria 666
Two horns like a lamb and speaks like a dragon, (Revelation 13:11).

Ezekiel 28:14-16
14 You are the anointed Cherub [כרוב ממשח - Gematria 616] that covers; and I have set you so: you were upon the holy mountain of Elohim; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [the Ephod breastplate and the two shoulder stones - LXX contains all fourteen stones of fire and the gold].
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you.
16 By the multitude of your merchandise they have filled the midst of you with violence, and you have sinned: therefore I will cast you as profane out of the mountain of Elohim: and I will destroy you, O covering Cherub, [כרוב הסכך - Gematria 333] from the midst of the stones of fire.

John 19:15 W/H
15 εκραυγασαν ουν εκεινοι αρον αρον σταυρωσον αυτον λεγει αυτοις ο πιλατος τον βασιλεα υμων σταυρωσω απεκριθησαν οι αρχιερεις ουκ εχομεν βασιλεα ει μη καισαρα

John 19:15 ASV
15 They therefore cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him! Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

The only currency allowable for use in the Herod Temple was the Tyrian Shekel:
Shekel of Tyre (http://www.bible.ca/coins/Jesus-coins-of-the-bible-Phoenician-Tyre-Tyrian-Shekel-official-sancturary-Temple-tax-Peters-fish-money-changers-Judas-30-silver-pieces.htm) ― Tryian Shekel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_shekel) (Melqart Baal) ― Prince & King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28).

But the chief Kohanim joined themselves unto Caesar when they cried:
"We have no king but Caesar", (John 19:15).

כרוב הסכך (kərūḇ has-sōḵêḵ) ― Ezekiel 28:16 ― Gematria 333
καισαρα (Caesar) ― John 19:15 ― Gematria 333

כרוב הסכך (Cherub of the covering) + καισαρα (Caesar) = Gematria 666

But of course if you, like most literalist futurists, insist that the authorship of the Apocalypse must be dated late first century, (generally circa 95-96AD is the time frame proposed), then your paradigm master will not allow you to see these things because they do not comply with your self-imposed prerequisites.

And for this you call me a sorcerer, a wizard, and accuse me of practicing magic which is witchcraft? How do you not understand that you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit of my heavenly Father when you say such things about His Word? You are already walking dead. You therefore prove by your own words and evil deeds that you are indeed a lawless one taught by the Lawless one; and even that is by your own admission. And now that boil in your forehead is festering. :chuckle:

daqq
July 17th, 2017, 08:21 PM
That was the weakest spell yet, loser! Wave your wand better so you can get more magic.


And now that boil in your forehead is festering. :chuckle:

See now you need to go to the Kohen and inform him that you think you might have leprosy growing in the walls of your house. And he will set an appointed time, but when he comes whatever is inside the house, (YOU), must be removed so that the contents inside the house are not made unclean. Then the Kohen will enter in, (and no man is allowed in the house until the whole atonement is made), and he will cleanse and atone the house.

Leviticus 14:33-42 KJV
33 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
34 When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;
35 And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house:
36 Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
37 And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
38 Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
39 And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
40 Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
41 And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
42 And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.

But if the evil lepers return, beware, lest your house need to be fully destroyed down to the ground, (for that is the consequence in the portion which follows in the above passage). But I show you also a better way from HaNavi Zkaryah:

Zechariah 5:1-4 KJV
1 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
4 I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

Just keep eating the flying scroll, (the Word, which includes the seven sealed scroll of the Testimony of Messiah having been written within and without), and it will enter into your house and will purge out the leprosy which is now festering in the walls of your house. Otherwise you will need to be ruptured from your house and removed for seven yamim, (I think you wackos call it the "rapture"). :chuckle:

Epoisses
July 17th, 2017, 08:28 PM
Where have I posted any such things, or teachings, or doctrines of any organization, or religion, or coven, or whatever, that you know of? All I posted, which apparently set you off on your fantasy witch-hunt attack mode, was strictly from the scripture, (except for the information links concerning the historical shekel of Tyre which was indeed used for commerce by the money changers in the Herodian Temple of the second temple era in the time of Messiah).

And for this you call me a sorcerer, a wizard, and accuse me of practicing magic which is witchcraft? How do you not understand that you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit of my heavenly Father when you say such things about His Word? You are already walking dead. You therefore prove by your own words and evil deeds that you are indeed a lawless one taught by the Lawless one; and even that is by your own admission. And now that boil in your forehead is festering. :chuckle:

The squirming prey is slowly coming to the realization that he is taken in the trap and there is no escape. They don't call it falling from grace for no reason! Preach Torah and dead works like the slave you are.

chair
July 18th, 2017, 01:57 AM
Oh, that sounds like somewhat of an agreement! Is the city of David a place or a person? Also Elam is listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests.

I don't really agree- I am just seriously considering your ideas. I know that is unusual on this site.

I am not sure what verse you are referring to in "City of David".

In Nehemiah 10, one needs to be careful:

Now those that sealed were, Nehemiah, the Tirshatha, the son of Hachaliah,

This should read "Nehemiah the Tirshatha, the son of Hachaliah" Tirshatha is a place name.

What is your point about Elam? To me it looks like Elam-Zatthu is the place name, and Bani is teh person's name.

chair
July 18th, 2017, 01:59 AM
The squirming prey is slowly coming to the realization that he is taken in the trap and there is no escape. They don't call it falling from grace for no reason! Preach Torah and dead works like the slave you are.

It would help to calm down and treat people you disagree with with a tiny bit of respect. This kind of bullying makes you look unsure of yourself.

daqq
July 18th, 2017, 02:30 AM
The squirming prey is slowly coming to the realization that he is taken in the trap and there is no escape. They don't call it falling from grace for no reason! Preach Torah and dead works like the slave you are.

Now you reveal that you do not believe the Testimony of the Master or Paul who say that you are the house-temple of Elohim. Why would you refuse to believe you are the house-temple if you are willing to walk in the loving ways of the Father according to His Word. Can it be that you simple are not willing to walk in any other way than your own? That really is the only conclusion I can come to here going by your own statements and brazen open rejection of the Word you claim to know, love, and worship. And what I quoted to you is true, (though I quoted the KJV only because it is the most widely accepted English translation), and what the Father says therein I not only believe but know it to be true from my own experience in my own walk. He will indeed put leprosy in the walls of your house to see if you will go to His Kohen as you are commanded to do: and if you refuse to do so then your house will end up infested with lepers, and this does not speak of physical and natural things if you understand and truly believe the scripture and the Testimony of Messiah. So keep your leprosy and your lepers if you will, and in the End you will die with them, all because you hate the Torah which is the Word of the Father, and refuse to bow the knee or the head to His Word who is His Son. Yep, He will certainly put leprosy in the walls of your house, especially when you openly and brazenly blaspheme His Word and Name. "When you are entered into the land of Canaan which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession; and he that owns the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, 'It seems to me there is as it were a plague in the house'..." See? all you need to do is forsake your pride, humble yourself, go to the one who is now Kohen after the order of Melki-Tzedek, and say, "It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house." And after the all consuming fire, a tenth will be left, (for Elohim is gracious and merciful, and these things concern our own good and expected ending), and the holy seed will be in the stump; like a mighty tree when it is felled, the holy seed is in the stump. But if not then you get to keep your pride and live with him and his fellows in the same house until you breathe out your carnal last.

:sheep:

Epoisses
July 18th, 2017, 06:21 AM
Elymas and his apprentice the two blind rats running the maze of the devil.

daqq
July 18th, 2017, 06:40 AM
Elymas and his apprentice the two blind rats running the maze of the devil.

Lol, Elymas has the name "Bar-Jesus", which means, "Son of Jesus", because his false doctrine claims that either Jesus is his Father or Jesus is equal to the Father. You therefore wrongly accuse once again, taking things out of their contexts, and not knowing the scripture. Elymas Bar-Jesus is a word-sorcerer unclean spirit who turns Jesus into the one and only Almighty Elohim the Living. That is precisely why Paul says what he does concerning him: full of all subtle guile and all mischief, child of the Devil, enemy of all righteousness and uprightness, perverter the right ways of YHWH. :)

daqq
July 18th, 2017, 07:01 AM
Elymas and his apprentice the two blind rats running the maze of the devil.


Lol, Elymas has the name "Bar-Jesus", which means, "Son of Jesus", because his false doctrine claims that either Jesus is his Father or Jesus is equal to the Father. You therefore wrongly accuse once again, taking things out of their contexts, and not knowing the scripture. Elymas Bar-Jesus is a word-sorcerer unclean spirit who turns Jesus into the one and only Almighty Elohim the Living. That is precisely why Paul says what he does concerning him: full of all subtle guile and all mischief, child of the Devil, enemy of all righteousness and uprightness, perverter the right ways of YHWH. :)

ελυμα ο μαγο = 660

But if we add a sigma to the end of the word mago(s) would it be the value of 6 or 200?
Who therefore is casting spells in casting accusations? :chuckle:

Epoisses
July 18th, 2017, 08:14 AM
Here's one of dapp the sorcerer's visions from his website, lol. Talk about a nut-job!

This night vision dream of July 2002 was in the body. Awakening I was curled up in a fetal position and incapable of movement for a several; both fists clenched so tightly that it took a several to get them to open, and my arms were crossed and locked together against my chest as if a high voltage current had been circuiting through me. As I awoke I began to pray unceasing and sought confirmation from the Master about the dream, (it was so powerfully vivid and frightening). When I was able to get out of bed I immediately began to write down the dream. And, lo and behold, later the same day while watching the news that same evening; a story came on the TV news about a UFO sighting over Washington DC that very same morning, which was reported to have occurred at around the same time that I would have been having the dream. There were many eye witnesses which saw two military fighter jets giving chase over the DC Capitol area. Then, to my amazement, the announcer exclaimed how that this "UFO" sighting had occured "coincidentally" on the 50th anniversary of a previous mass sighting over the DC area in late July of 1952. Seeing this as the confirmation I had been seeking that day I decided to mail the dream away to my Mother and my brothers in the Land. And it came to pass that a Warrior Friend of the King haled me from the Negev; stationed thereby is Beersheba, even B'er-Lachay-Ro'iy, and Nachalat Yeshua! However, the Spirit impressed upon me NOT to post the dream anywhere online at that time, (now I understand why for truly then did I not understand it). The following Transcript is the Fox News report concerning the events of that day which I retrieved from the net:

https://sites.google.com/site/elaiasindex/testimony-my-patmo

chair
July 18th, 2017, 08:38 AM
Seems like I was mistaken in trying to have a serious discussion about the text.

So it goes.

daqq
July 18th, 2017, 08:52 AM
Here's one of dapp the sorcerer's visions from his website, lol. Talk about a nut-job!

This night vision dream of July 2002 was in the body. Awakening I was curled up in a fetal position and incapable of movement for a several; both fists clenched so tightly that it took a several to get them to open, and my arms were crossed and locked together against my chest as if a high voltage current had been circuiting through me. As I awoke I began to pray unceasing and sought confirmation from the Master about the dream, (it was so powerfully vivid and frightening). When I was able to get out of bed I immediately began to write down the dream. And, lo and behold, later the same day while watching the news that same evening; a story came on the TV news about a UFO sighting over Washington DC that very same morning, which was reported to have occurred at around the same time that I would have been having the dream. There were many eye witnesses which saw two military fighter jets giving chase over the DC Capitol area. Then, to my amazement, the announcer exclaimed how that this "UFO" sighting had occured "coincidentally" on the 50th anniversary of a previous mass sighting over the DC area in late July of 1952. Seeing this as the confirmation I had been seeking that day I decided to mail the dream away to my Mother and my brothers in the Land. And it came to pass that a Warrior Friend of the King haled me from the Negev; stationed thereby is Beersheba, even B'er-Lachay-Ro'iy, and Nachalat Yeshua! However, the Spirit impressed upon me NOT to post the dream anywhere online at that time, (now I understand why for truly then did I not understand it). The following Transcript is the Fox News report concerning the events of that day which I retrieved from the net:

https://sites.google.com/site/elaiasindex/testimony-my-patmo

Yep, that is a real dream-vision which I did have on the date given, and what you have posted is simply the truth of that testimony, but at the same time what you have posted does not have anything to do with this discussion. Can I help, or stop, or deny what things I have been through in my walk? You only wish to bring dreams and visions into this discussion in an attempt to support the false accusations you have already made. I have done no such thing but instead, for nearly everything I have said, there is scripture to support what I have said. :)

Hawkins
July 18th, 2017, 09:15 AM
666 is related to Solomon who represents a kingdom of rich and intelligence. 666 is also related to gold or currency. Today's currency is with an image on it. Washington is the man on the money notes. Washington also represents the US. "News from Washington" means news from the US. 666 actually is Washington the beast.

It's talking about how our secular education evolved. The first beast is England where modern secular education is originated. It is thus "from sea" as English is an Island country. The second beast inherited and extended the secular education from the the first beast England. US has replaced England to be the strongest empire after WWII, since England the beast was "wounded" in wars before WWII. US is "from earth" because it's a continental country.

Forehead and right hand refers to an ancient Jewish custom to tie verses of Scripture on forehead and back of hand to represent how men are guided by God in terms of their mind (forehead) and behavior (right hand). Our education gives everyone without exception a stamp of secular mind to fight God. Everyone is brainwashed since childhood through our education system.

Buy and sell refers to how education affects your daily life. You can't live without education. You need education to get a job. And you can't refuse to be educated as it may be against law for parents not to send their kids to schools.

666 thus refers to Washington the beast with which secular education of this world is established for people without exception (generally speaking) to go through since childhood to receive the mark with an anti-God mind and behavior. Today's education is US (and UK) centered. US is representative of today's secular formal education system.

An example of how Satan made use of our education system to spread a delusion for educated people to be brainwashed without their own consent;

Among 100% humans who know for a fact that black holes exist, 99% of them don't have the evidence. All they have is basically...faith.

However among 100% humans who know for a fact that black holes exist, 99% of them think that they have the evidence!

That's how our reality is twisted through our education and to serve the purpose of fighting God, with a fallacious argument such as "God is not evidenced, thus He doesn't exist or we shouldn't believe".

daqq
July 20th, 2017, 01:39 AM
The "reason for the riddle" is that the author of the Apocalypse is a Kohen, and understands the passages which are written concerning the Kohanim, and thus, one of few who even has the right to speak or write such things.

Luke 3:2 W/H
2 επι αρχιερεως αννα και καιαφα εγενετο ρημα θεου επι ιωαννην τον ζαχαριου υιον εν τη ερημω

Luke 3:2 ASV
2 in the high-priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

αννα και καιαφα ― Luke 3:2 ― Gematria 666
Two horns like a lamb and speaks like a dragon, (Revelation 13:11).

Ezekiel 28:14-16
14 You are the anointed Cherub [כרוב ממשח - Gematria 616] that covers; and I have set you so: you were upon the holy mountain of Elohim; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [the Ephod breastplate and the two shoulder stones - LXX contains all fourteen stones of fire and the gold].
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you.
16 By the multitude of your merchandise they have filled the midst of you with violence, and you have sinned: therefore I will cast you as profane out of the mountain of Elohim: and I will destroy you, O covering Cherub, [כרוב הסכך - Gematria 333] from the midst of the stones of fire.

John 19:15 W/H
15 εκραυγασαν ουν εκεινοι αρον αρον σταυρωσον αυτον λεγει αυτοις ο πιλατος τον βασιλεα υμων σταυρωσω απεκριθησαν οι αρχιερεις ουκ εχομεν βασιλεα ει μη καισαρα

John 19:15 ASV
15 They therefore cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him! Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

The only currency allowable for use in the Herod Temple was the Tyrian Shekel:
Shekel of Tyre (http://www.bible.ca/coins/Jesus-coins-of-the-bible-Phoenician-Tyre-Tyrian-Shekel-official-sancturary-Temple-tax-Peters-fish-money-changers-Judas-30-silver-pieces.htm) ― Tryian Shekel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_shekel) (Melqart Baal) ― Prince & King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28).

But the chief Kohanim joined themselves unto Caesar when they cried:
"We have no king but Caesar", (John 19:15).

כרוב הסכך (kərūḇ has-sōḵêḵ) ― Ezekiel 28:16 ― Gematria 333
καισαρα (Caesar) ― John 19:15 ― Gematria 333

כרוב הסכך (Cherub of the covering) + καισαρα (Caesar) = Gematria 666


Moreover, in the passage concerning the denarius with the image of Caesar on it, the Master does not only ask whose image is on it but he asks whose image and inscription is on it, (and therefore the inscription is important). And we can be pretty sure which denarius it was that was held up, (no doubt held up by the Herodians who went with the Pharisees because neither the Master nor the Pharisees would have touched it). Rather than going through all the explanation with links and all the whoopla, (because no one here seems to really care anyways), I will simply post the following:

[01] At the same time the Perushim were going about taking counsel how they might ensnare him in his talk; and they sent their talmidim unto him with two lion-like men of the Herodians.
[02] And as they drew near, the Ι̅H said, Happy is the lion that the man will eat, for the lion will become that man; wretched is the man whom the lion will eat, for the lion still becomes the man.
[03] Whatsoever comes forth from the mouth proceeds from the heart; if therefore the man speaks with the mouth of a lion, how can it be that his heart is not be given over to the lion?
[04] And perceiving not the saying, they said to him, Teacher, we know that you are true and teach the way of Elohim in truth, and take no special care for any one: for you regard not the persons of men.
[05] Tell us therefore, What say you? Is it lawful to give tribute tax unto Caesar, or not?
[06] But knowing their malicious intent, the Ι̅H said, Why do you make trial of me, O hypocrites? show me the tribute tax money, (knowing that neither he nor the Perushim would touch it).
[07] So the Herodians held up a denarion, and he said to them, Whose image and inscription is that?
[08] And they said, Καισαρα ΤΚΒΑΘΑ, (that is, Καισαρα + Τιβεριος Καισαρος Βαρ Αυγ Θεος Αυγουστος, and behold, the number of the name and inscription, Καισαρα ΤΚΒΑΘΑ, that is, 333 + 333).
[09] And he answered them, saying, Render therefore unto Caesar the things of Caesar: and render unto Elohim the things of Elohim! and having heard it they marveled, and left off, and went their way.

Roman Tiberius Caesar Denarius 14AD to 37AD:
Inscription: "TI CAESAR DIVI AUG F AUGUSTUS" (Reverse: "PONTIF MAXIM")

Ti[berivs] Caesar Divi Avg[vsti] F Avgvstvs
Tiberius Caesar, Worshipful Son [[I]of the] Divine[God] Augustus

All of the words from the inscription are found in the Greek N/T.
Hellenized inscription, using "Bar" for Son, as in Bar-Timeaus or Bar-Jesus:

Τιβεριος Καισαρος Βαρ Αυγ Θεος Αυγουστος
Καισαρα ΤΚΒΑΘΑ = 333+333 (666)

Context, context, context:
Not only did the Master put them to silence but he politely told them Caesar was not Elohim. :chuckle:

:sheep:

daqq
July 20th, 2017, 03:05 AM
Who is next? Oh yeah, Potes Pelate, or I suppose I should say, Pontios Peilatos, (Peilatos is the spelling in most all of the western text types), the Pontiff under Caesar, the Pontiff Maxim, (for the subservient rulers under Caesar were also considered Pontiffs, just not Pontifex Maximus, who was Caesar the head of the empire).

Peilato – A word play on απειλη? – "a menace" (from απειλεω, to menace or threaten)

Pontio – 1) "Of the sea" or "From the Sea" – Pontio Peilate: "Menace from the Sea" (Rome)
Pontio – 2) "Pontif" (priest of the sun god) – Egyptian – Phonti (Chartoumim of Exodus 7-9)
Potes - Ποτης – "Ruler" (but not "absolute ruler" which in Greek is Δεσ-ποτης)

It is quite possible therefore that Δεσποτης (Absolute Ruler), is an obscure ancient Greek way of saying Pontif Maxim, for no one seems to know what Ποτης means or where it came from. But when you view the terminology in light of the focus herein it makes sense: Despotes no doubt means Absolute Ruler, (Pontiff Maxim), while Potes simply means a Pontif-Ruler who is subservient under the supreme Despotes, (Pontif Maxim). This comes through in the surname of Pilate, in the Greek, which surname is Pontios, (Pontif). At the same time it appears quite similar to the first portion of the name Poti-pherah, who was priest of On, whose daughter Pharaoh gave to Yoseph for wife:

Genesis 41:45 KJV
45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnath-paaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.

City of On = "City of the Sun" (Greek Heliopolis)
Poti-Pherah – פוטי פרע – Pontif (Poti) Maxim (Pherah) of Heliopolis-On

Potes Pelat – פוטס פלאט – Shem-Tob Matthew 27 variants

Pontios – Shem-Tob MSS "G" Matthew 27:2 reads "Potes" – פוטס
Peilatos – Shem-Tob MSS "G" Matthew 27:24 reads "Pelat" – פלאט

Concerning the word Pelat, there are places where the yodh, (making the spelling "Pilat"), is missing in Hebrew, (though more often it is found in the word). Also concerning the final letter of the word Pelat: since the spelling concerns a name, the usage of the either tet or tav at the end of Pelat is arbitrary, (depending on who understands the true meaning of the name), and therefore, we have no way of knowing which letter may have been used in the original Hebrew text because the Hebrew Shem-Tob came centuries later; and one cannot even be sure if it was taken from another Hebrew manuscript or taken from a Greek manuscript and then rendered into Hebrew, (meaning, if so, then whoever originally rendered it into Hebrew from Greek made his own decision on the final letter of Pelat to begin with, which decision we cannot know anything about at this point).

However tav certainly seems the most appropriate for the final letter of the name "Pelat" because of the meaning of the letter itself: finality, (fate)sealed, judgment, even death, for the letter itself, being the final letter of the alephbet, is formed with two other letters; the dalet and the nun, (the letters for Dan and judgment). Potes Peilat certainly fulfilled the role of all these things during the trial of Meshiah, that is, finality, acting as final arbitrator and judge, judgment, death, and even idolatrous sun worship going all the way back to Egypt, from whom the Romans took plenty of terminology and pagan ideology, (Pontio - Pontiff, that is Egyptian Phonti, Coptic Honti, and came into Latin as Pontif). In the "Gospel of Nicodemus", (aka "Acts of Pilate"), Pontios Peilatos washes his hands "before the sun", meaning the sun god, whom he clearly honors by such a statement and gesture.

Potes Pelat – פוטס פלאת = Gematria 666

Moreover the word "pote" in Greek, spelled with epsilon, (ποτε), simply means "at whatever time", (generally rendered as "when"). But if it were used in the sense of a name, because all names have meaning and generally represent some form of character or quality in the person having the name, it would be like saying, "man of the hour", "man of the occasion", "timely man", or "opportune man", (fit man), which is precisely what Lev 16:21 prescribes for such a one as he who released Bar-Abbas back into the desert.

G4219 πότε pote (po'-te) prt.
interrogative adverb, at what time.
[from the base of G4226 and G5037]

On a final note, another interesting point about "Pontio Peilate" is that, if indeed his name also means,"Menace from the Sea", then it would place him in the same typological category as Sisera, (Judges Ch. 4&5). But perhaps there may be someone else around here who knows a bit more about such things. :)

daqq
July 20th, 2017, 03:22 AM
Elymas and his apprentice the two blind rats running the maze of the devil.

Oh yeah, all this crazy "study stuff" is an evil maze from the devil, right?
God would never expect you to jump through so many "whoops" would He?
Oh no, of course not, Adonikam is the antichrist because your "holy Spirit" told you.
And whallah-allah-kazaam! that settles it for you . . . :chuckle:

Epoisses
July 20th, 2017, 08:10 PM
Your visions come from the devil, demon-child. They need to beam you back up to the mother ship.

daqq
July 20th, 2017, 10:09 PM
Your visions come from the devil, demon-child. They need to beam you back up to the mother ship.

Behold, the little horn tongue of a fiery beast: for so is the tongue a little member, and boasts great things, you see how a little flamer can spread to a forest of Rephaim. Moreover that little horn tongue is a fire: a world of iniquity among your members is your tongue, which defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is kindled by the fire of Ge-Hinnom! :chuckle:

Epoisses
July 21st, 2017, 07:28 AM
Behold, the little horn tongue of a fiery beast: for so is the tongue a little member, and boasts great things, you see how a little flamer can spread to a forest of Rephaim. Moreover that little horn tongue is a fire: a world of iniquity among your members is your tongue, which defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is kindled by the fire of Ge-Hinnom! :chuckle:

You even talked bout UFOs in your 'visions' so getting beamed up is not that far-fetched.

daqq
July 21st, 2017, 02:57 PM
You even talked bout UFOs in your 'visions' so getting beamed up is not that far-fetched.

Lol, you have talked about homosexuals so you must be a homosexual.
You have talked about pedophiles so you must be a pedophile.
You just mentioned UFO's so you must be a Urantian.

If is does not matter what I said about UFO's when I spoke of them then it does not matter what you said about these things above when you spoke about them. That is how ridiculous your accusations are. You are just looking for some way to kill and fulfill the desire for character assassination that resides in your heart full of hatred which is murder. In the doctrine of the Master and in the kingdom of Elohim you are accounted as a murderer: for whosoever hates his brother is a murderer, and we know that no murderer has life aionion dwelling in him. When you open your mouth, murder comes out, because the murders proceed straight from your heart, (Matthew 15:18,19,20, 1John3:15). Every liar shall have his part in the lake of fire. You really should start believing the scriptures and Testimony of Messiah before it is too late for your rotting stumbling walking dead zombie carcass. :crackup:

Epoisses
July 21st, 2017, 03:03 PM
Lol, you have talked about homosexuals so you must be a homosexual.
You have talked about pedophiles so you must be a pedophile.
You just mentioned UFO's so you must be a Urantian.

If is does not matter what I said about UFO's when I spoke of them then it does not matter what you said about these things above when you spoke about them. That is how ridiculous your accusations are. You are just looking for some way to kill and fulfill the desire for character assassination that resides in your heart full of hatred which is murder. In the doctrine of the Master and in the kingdom of Elohim you are accounted as a murderer: for whosoever hates his brother is a murderer, and we know that no murderer has life aionion dwelling in him. When you open your mouth, murder comes out, because the murders proceed straight from your heart, (Matthew 15:18,19,20, 1John3:15). Every liar shall have his part in the lake of fire. You really should start believing the scriptures and Testimony of Messiah before it is too late for your rotting stumbling walking dead zombie carcass. :crackup:

His anger is slowly starting to bubble up, lol.

Great peace have they which love thy law and nothing shall offend them - law breaker!

Right Divider
July 21st, 2017, 03:10 PM
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: - Hebrews 9:27
Judas hung himself to death.
However, I've also heard the conjecture that the Antichrist will be Nimrod. However, it is recorded in ancient Hebrew documents that Esau killed Nimrod.
That verse is a generalization. It is not meant to be a 100% unbreakable law.

Lazarus died twice (physically anyway) [John 11].

daqq
July 21st, 2017, 05:24 PM
His anger is slowly starting to bubble up, lol.

Great peace have they which love thy law and nothing shall offend them - law breaker!

Lol, you reveal your intentions which apparently, by your lying tongue, is to try to steal my peace in Messiah. How audacious and proud you must be to think that by spreading lies you can steal someone else's peace in Messiah. You really should get to know him by his Testimony. You too will have the peace that I have. But as for me and my house: you have nothing to do with any of this, and what you and yours do in your house is your business, (and I care not to know because you have already spewed out enough already).

At this point interaction with you is nothing more than thread derailing, which is always what happens when someone starts making accusations, especially false accusations. You are a pagan self-worshiper whose god is the spitting image twin of yourself: for every time you judge you are comparing me to your image of yourself whether you know it or not. You should have heeded the commandment of the Master not to judge and certainly not to tell lies about others.

Epoisses
July 21st, 2017, 08:38 PM
Lol, you reveal your intentions which apparently, by your lying tongue, is to try to steal my peace in Messiah. How audacious and proud you must be to think that by spreading lies you can steal someone else's peace in Messiah. You really should get to know him by his Testimony. You too will have the peace that I have. But as for me and my house: you have nothing to do with any of this, and what you and yours do in your house is your business, (and I care not to know because you have already spewed out enough already).

At this point interaction with you is nothing more than thread derailing, which is always what happens when someone starts making accusations, especially false accusations. You are a pagan self-worshiper whose god is the spitting image twin of yourself: for every time you judge you are comparing me to your image of yourself whether you know it or not. You should have heeded the commandment of the Master not to judge and certainly not to tell lies about others.

There is no peace for the wicked.

LetsObeyChrist
August 1st, 2017, 09:26 AM
References to the sanctuary and temple are some of the most confusing in bible prophecy because there were so many different applications. Moses built the sanctuary in the wilderness and the more permanent temple was built by Solomon and later rebuilt by Zerubabbel. There is a temple in heaven that is described in Hebrews and Revelation where Jesus ministers as our great high priest. God’s people are referred to individually as a spiritual temple and collectively as a holy city or royal priesthood. Context is the key to knowing what is being described. All three applications will be represented in the last days.

No verse available? Not in support of what you say here, but what you said in the previous post.

I asked for scripture support for your theory.

Yes, there are various temples, but that fact doesn't prove your theory at all.

Epoisses
August 1st, 2017, 01:23 PM
No verse available? Not in support of what you say here, but what you said in the previous post.

I asked for scripture support for your theory.

Yes, there are various temples, but that fact doesn't prove your theory at all.

I gave examples of each type of temple - physical, heavenly and spiritual. All three are described in prophecy. The Dispy will see every mention as physical. The SDA will see every mention as heavenly. The preterist will see every mention as spiritual. Do you see how prophecy can be skewed by ones bias?

daqq
August 1st, 2017, 04:13 PM
There is no peace for the wicked.

Lol, you controvert yourself once again without even knowing it: σέβομαι, (sebomai), and σεβάζομαι, (sebazomai), are used for "God-fearers" or "true worshipers of the one true God", and that definitely concerns the true worship of the Father within the contexts in which those words and their forms are employed. Those words pertain to reverence and reverential fear for the Almighty. The word in the Septuagint where your quote is found, (twice in Isaiah), is the opposite because it is essentially the same word but with the negative particle, (alpha), prefixed to it, that is, ἀσεβής, (asebes), which is "irreverence" or "ungodliness" and often rendered as wickedness, (the transliterated Hebrew word is rasha in both cases, which is wicked or wickedness, but implies that non-"God-fearers" are the wicked). Moreover it remains you who are the irreverent one because you, unlike any author anywhere in the scripture, call the Torah evil. And since you call the Torah evil, and those who believe it you also call evil, you are therefore obviously not a true "God-fearer" by the contextual meanings given for σέβομαι and σεβάζομαι, and that you yourself openly confess because you are utterly irreverent toward the WORD OF THE FATHER which is first and foremost HIS TORAH. Not even Paul does any such thing as you do, and in fact, he says that the Torah is spiritual, holy, righteous, just, and good. Thus the two passages you cite from Isaiah are actually speaking of those who are irreverent toward the One True Elohim, which in the days of Isaiah no doubt included anyone and everyone who was irreverent toward the Torah, which is the Word of the Father, and that is you yourself by your own confession.

Acts 18:13 HNV
13 saying, "This man persuades men to worship [σεβομαι] God contrary to the Torah."

1 Timothy 1:8-9 HNV
8 But we know that the Torah [ο νομος] is good, if a man uses it lawfully,
9 as knowing this, that Torah [νομος] is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless [ανομοις] and insubordinate, for the ungodly [ασεβεσιν] and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

See that? probably not, but it is not me who is Torahless and lawless, (ανομος), but rather that is you by your very own confession, and therefore it is likewise you who is ungodly, (ασεβησ), and therefore the statement above from Paul to Timothy most certainly pertains to you because you are Torahless right along with ungodly: thus the Torah was laid out specifically for your kind, just as Paul tells you, and there will be no rest for you until you repent and your heart turns back toward the Father, making you a true "God-reverencer" and worshiper of the Almighty Father Elohim.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-8 HNV
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; [σεβασμα] so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God.
5 Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things?
6 Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness [ανομιας] already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way.
8 Then the lawless one [ο ανομος] will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming;

And do you know why it is a mystery of Torahlessness and lawlessness? That is because Paul caught you with crafty words; though his words never go quite so far as you and your favorite teachers have imagined in the machinations of your vain imaginations. Nope, Paul himself was and is a true reverential God-fearer, a true worshiper of the Father Elohim Almighty: but these things were necessary so that the evil hiding within the walls of your hause can be drawn out of you and killed: otherwise you will die in your sins. You will find out the hard way in the End, just as everyone does, (those who overcome). :chuckle:

Epoisses
August 1st, 2017, 08:39 PM
The royal law of love is spiritual, holy, just and good not the worthless Torah that can only condemn sinners to hell like you. That's the only purpose of the law to convict of sin and show one's great need but it can never forgive and never make one righteous. Your whole theology is dead just like your posts and your hardened heart. Do you know how many have gone down the path you are on? Ga-billions and not one has ever been made righteous by it.

daqq
August 2nd, 2017, 03:01 PM
The royal law of love is spiritual, holy, just and good not the worthless Torah that can only condemn sinners to hell like you. That's the only purpose of the law to convict of sin and show one's great need but it can never forgive and never make one righteous. Your whole theology is dead just like your posts and your hardened heart. Do you know how many have gone down the path you are on? Ga-billions and not one has ever been made righteous by it.

Again you openly deny the one you claim to know and worship because, again, you deny his Testimony, which confirms the Torah:

James 2:8 HNV
8 However, if you fulfill the royal Torah, according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," Lev 19:18 you do well.

Leviticus 19:18 HNV
18 "'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

Mark 12:28-34 HNV
28 One of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together. Knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, "Which mitzvah is the greatest of all?"
29 Yeshua answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Yisra'el, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: Deut 6:4
30 you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' Deut 6:5 This is the first mitzvah.
31 The second is like this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Lev 19:18 There is no other mitzvah greater than these."
32 The scribe said to him, "Truly, teacher, you have said well that he is one, and there is none other but he, Deut 4:35
33 and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more important than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."
34 When Yeshua saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the Kingdom of God." No one dared ask him any question after that.

And he even used the Torah in the temptations in the wilderness to overcome the Adversary.
As already stated: you call evil, good, and good, evil.

Epoisses
August 2nd, 2017, 06:18 PM
The Torah is do's and don'ts Daqq. Do this good deed and live, do some other bad deed and get punished. It's dog training for humans. Love is a higher level of obedience. It's like the manual transmission vs. the automatic. The manual is fun for awhile but eventually it just gets old like you.

daqq
August 2nd, 2017, 06:25 PM
The Torah is do's and don'ts Daqq. Do this good deed and live, do some other bad deed and get punished. It's dog training for humans. Love is a higher level of obedience. It's like the manual transmission vs. the automatic. The manual is fun for awhile but eventually it just gets old like you.

:blabla: :yawn: :Plain:

chair
August 2nd, 2017, 09:53 PM
The Torah is do's and don'ts Daqq. Do this good deed and live, do some other bad deed and get punished. It's dog training for humans. Love is a higher level of obedience. It's like the manual transmission vs. the automatic. The manual is fun for awhile but eventually it just gets old like you.

Funny, it was God gave us. And your Jesus thought it wasn't such a bad thing.

Go figure.

Epoisses
August 3rd, 2017, 06:13 AM
Daqq and Chair always derailing every thread! Hey Chair is Adonikam still a city?

beloved57
August 3rd, 2017, 07:15 AM
The meaning of 666 is the number of a man. Its meaning is man naturally without God, attempting to be accepted of God without Christ being revealed to them as their Righteousness. Prov 14:12

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Rev 13:18

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

daqq
August 3rd, 2017, 10:24 AM
Daqq and Chair always derailing every thread! Hey Chair is Adonikam still a city?

Blahahahaha, speaking the truth about a topic and posting that truth from the scripture is not thread derailing, (though it may have derailed some peoples theories). If there were 666 children of Bethlehem in the same passage, (Ezra 2:21), would that also make Bethlehem a possible candidate for the antichrist according to you? Or if there were 666 children of Anathoth in the same passage, (Ezra 2:23), would that also make the city of Anathoth a possible candidate for the antichrist according to you? You know Anathoth from the scripture, right? The city of Benjamin according to Joshua 21:17,18 and 1Chr 6:60, the city from which the prophet Jeremiah came? (Jer 1:1)? Oh no! Lookie! 1Chr 6:60 is only missing one of the sixes in the verse reference! Perhaps Anathoth really is the antichrist! Run for the hills! Anathoth is coming! You won't be able to buy or sell for seven years of great tribulation! Don't get tagged with the final six, Epi-shesh!

:rotfl:

CherubRam
August 3rd, 2017, 01:56 PM
VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast: http://biblelight.net/666.htm

What did you think about this link?

Epoisses
August 3rd, 2017, 06:26 PM
Blahahahaha, speaking the truth about a topic and posting that truth from the scripture is not thread derailing, (though it may have derailed some peoples theories). If there were 666 children of Bethlehem in the same passage, (Ezra 2:21), would that also make Bethlehem a possible candidate for the antichrist according to you? Or if there were 666 children of Anathoth in the same passage, (Ezra 2:23), would that also make the city of Anathoth a possible candidate for the antichrist according to you? You know Anathoth from the scripture, right? The city of Benjamin according to Joshua 21:17,18 and 1Chr 6:60, the city from which the prophet Jeremiah came? (Jer 1:1)? Oh no! Lookie! 1Chr 6:60 is only missing one of the sixes in the verse reference! Perhaps Anathoth really is the antichrist! Run for the hills! Anathoth is coming! You won't be able to buy or sell for seven years of great tribulation! Don't get tagged with the final six, Epi-shesh!

:rotfl:

What about the other names on the list, loser. You know the ones I used to blow you and Chair's arguments out of the water. Cut off from grace Daqq, the thorn in the flesh to every believer in Christ!

Elam - listed in Neh. 10 with the sealed
Shephatiah - a name of one of David's sons
Bani - the name of one of david's mighty men and several levites
Azgad - listed in Nehemiah among those who were sealed
Bigvai - listed in Nehemiah 10 as one who was sealed
Adin - listed in Nehemiah 10 with those who were sealed
Ater of Hezekiah - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed
Bezai - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed
Hashum - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests
Azmaveth - one of David's mighty men, descendant of Jonathan
Harim - listed in Neh. 10 and 12 of the sealed priests
Jedaiah - a Levite priest

Many of these names are repeated in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests, are they places?

Daqq the loser strikes out again!

daqq
August 5th, 2017, 02:10 PM
http://theologyonline.com/images/metro/blue/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by CherubRam http://theologyonline.com/images/metro/blue/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?p=5064174#post5064174)
VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast: http://biblelight.net/666.htm



What did you think about this link?

You did not address anyone but your post came right after mine: were you asking me? I did read some of the link, and it is interesting, but I do not give much credence to Latin gematria because the scriptures were not written in Latin to begin with. One thing I noticed though, there is apparently an old rendering of Caesar Neron spelled that way in one of the DSS, (with no yod in the word Caesar and the nun at the end of Nero(n) as they say in the article). However the name or title Caesar is generally and more typically spelled with the yod in Hebrew, (קיסר). If you take the modern spelling of Tiberius Caesar for example, from Luke 3:1, טיבריוס קיסר, (see here (http://www.sarshalom.us/resources/scripture/asv/html/luke.html#3)), the gematria is 667. This seems a little too close to be mere coincidence, for we know that most all the names in the Greek texts have been altered so as to add Greek case endings to the ends of names for grammatical purposes. This can be shown from places like the genealogies in the texts where the names have not been altered to give them case endings in many instances. The name of Yaakob is a good example, for it is rendered "Jacob" in the genealogies where the case endings have not been added; but everywhere else in the NT, where the case endings have been added, they render it James, (supposedly the difference between ιακωβ and ιακωβος, Yakob and Yakobos, but they are in fact the same name, which is Yakob and not "James"). This means that it is very possible that the name Tiberius may also have been tampered with. There are many places where word-plays and innuendoes occur, where words and names are intentionally misspelled because it changes the meaning and thus conforms to what the author may be attempting to portray. In both John 6 and at the end of the Gospel of John we have the Sea of Tiberias mentioned several times, (twice in John 6 and once in John 21:1), where the name used for the Sea of Galilee is the Sea of Tiberias, (τιβεριαδος transliterated Tiberiados but rendered as Tiberias). In the modern Hebrew versions this is simply spelled with the letter hey at the end, טיבריה, (see here (http://www.sarshalom.us/resources/scripture/asv/html/john.html#6), John 6:1, and scroll down for the other two places which are on the same page). As it is now the waw is used at the end of Tiberius in modern Hebrew to make the "u" sound in "Tiberius", but what if the name was written originally with the sound "ah" at the end? (which in this case would be the hey, ה), so as to make a symbolic point? The waw is six while the hey is five: that is the difference between 667 and 666. It could be, or it may not be, we will never know for sure, (unless more ancient manuscripts are uncovered which shed new light), because the later Christian scribes changed the endings of most all names in the Greek texts so as to add case endings for grammatical purposes. They did the same in fooling around with the so-called "Nomina Sacra" by adding case endings to the Nomina Sacra, (and there is no doubt about this). :nono:

Luke 3:1-3
[01] In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberias Kaesar, Potes Peilat governing the territories of Yhudah, (behold, the number of the names, טיבריהס קיסר and פוטס פלאת, and Potes is Ponti, that is, a Pontif, like Poti-Pherah, Kohen of On, the city of the Sun, Egypt), Herod being tetrarch of the Galil:
[02] Philippo his brother being tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachoniti, Lysanias being tetrarch of Abilene, Anan and Kaiapha being chief Kohanim, (the number of the names, ΑΝΝΑΚΑΙΚΑΙΑΦΑ)
[03] The Word of Elohim came unto Yohanan ben Zkaryah in the desert-wilderness.

So the dating and authorship of the Apokalypse according to modern Christiandom is also bogus. It was penned by Yohanan the Kohen: and it was penned before Golgotha. As for Potes Pelat that is indeed found in some places in one of the Shem Tob manuscript versions of Hebrew Matthew, (and in all the oldest Greek manuscripts we read Peilato and its forms, not Pilato). And the term Ponti goes all the way back to Egypt, (the Romans borrowed it from the Egyptians). The high priest of the Egyptians was called "Phonti", and possibly "Phera", which may imply "chief", perhaps like the title "Pharoah", (and in Coptic, as already said earlier in Reply#84 (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?126048-The-Meaning-of-666-The-Reason-for-the-Riddle&p=5066795&viewfull=1#post5066795), "Honti" was the equivalent for "Phonti", and the etymology evolves from these two). So while Caesar himself was called Pontifex Maximus, ("Pontif Maxim" was stamped on the reverse of the first century Roman coinage, including the coin shown to the Master by the Pharisees and the Herodians in the Gospel accounts), those who served under Caesar, the higher-ups in government who answered directly to Caesar, (such as Pontius Pilate), were also called Pontif because they were likened to a lesser priesthood of Pontifs who served under the Pontif Maxim, Caesar. Now take the Hebrew and Greek names in the above passage and go insert them into your antichrist calculator. :chuckle: (It is not about Nero because he was not yet ruling when the Apokalypse was written).

CherubRam
August 5th, 2017, 06:42 PM
Hebrew and Latin letters also served as numbers.

daqq
August 5th, 2017, 07:37 PM
Hebrew and Latin letters also served as numbers.

As well as in Greek . . .


The "reason for the riddle" is that the author of the Apocalypse is a Kohen, and understands the passages which are written concerning the Kohanim, and thus, one of few who even has the right to speak or write such things.

Luke 3:2 W/H
2 επι αρχιερεως αννα και καιαφα εγενετο ρημα θεου επι ιωαννην τον ζαχαριου υιον εν τη ερημω

Luke 3:2 ASV
2 in the high-priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

αννα και καιαφα ― Luke 3:2 ― Gematria 666
Two horns like a lamb and speaks like a dragon, (Revelation 13:11).

Ezekiel 28:14-16
14 You are the anointed Cherub [כרוב ממשח - Gematria 616] that covers; and I have set you so: you were upon the holy mountain of Elohim; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [the Ephod breastplate and the two shoulder stones - LXX contains all fourteen stones of fire and the gold].
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you.
16 By the multitude of your merchandise they have filled the midst of you with violence, and you have sinned: therefore I will cast you as profane out of the mountain of Elohim: and I will destroy you, O covering Cherub, [כרוב הסכך - Gematria 333] from the midst of the stones of fire.

John 19:15 W/H
15 εκραυγασαν ουν εκεινοι αρον αρον σταυρωσον αυτον λεγει αυτοις ο πιλατος τον βασιλεα υμων σταυρωσω απεκριθησαν οι αρχιερεις ουκ εχομεν βασιλεα ει μη καισαρα

John 19:15 ASV
15 They therefore cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him! Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

The only currency allowable for use in the Herod Temple was the Tyrian Shekel:
Shekel of Tyre (http://www.bible.ca/coins/Jesus-coins-of-the-bible-Phoenician-Tyre-Tyrian-Shekel-official-sancturary-Temple-tax-Peters-fish-money-changers-Judas-30-silver-pieces.htm) ― Tryian Shekel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_shekel) (Melqart Baal) ― Prince & King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28).

But the chief Kohanim joined themselves unto Caesar when they cried:
"We have no king but Caesar", (John 19:15).

כרוב הסכך (kərūḇ has-sōḵêḵ) ― Ezekiel 28:16 ― Gematria 333
καισαρα (Caesar) ― John 19:15 ― Gematria 333

כרוב הסכך (Cherub of the covering) + καισαρα (Caesar) = Gematria 666

But of course if you, like most literalist futurists, insist that the authorship of the Apocalypse must be dated late first century, (generally circa 95-96AD is the time frame proposed), then your paradigm master will not allow you to see these things because they do not comply with your self-imposed prerequisites.


Moreover, in the passage concerning the denarius with the image of Caesar on it, the Master does not only ask whose image is on it but he asks whose image and inscription is on it, (and therefore the inscription is important). And we can be pretty sure which denarius it was that was held up, (no doubt held up by the Herodians who went with the Pharisees because neither the Master nor the Pharisees would have touched it). Rather than going through all the explanation with links and all the whoopla, (because no one here seems to really care anyways), I will simply post the following:

[01] At the same time the Perushim were going about taking counsel how they might ensnare him in his talk; and they sent their talmidim unto him with two lion-like men of the Herodians.
[02] And as they drew near, the Ι̅H said, Happy is the lion that the man will eat, for the lion will become that man; wretched is the man whom the lion will eat, for the lion still becomes the man.
[03] Whatsoever comes forth from the mouth proceeds from the heart; if therefore the man speaks with the mouth of a lion, how can it be that his heart is not be given over to the lion?
[04] And perceiving not the saying, they said to him, Teacher, we know that you are true and teach the way of Elohim in truth, and take no special care for any one: for you regard not the persons of men.
[05] Tell us therefore, What say you? Is it lawful to give tribute tax unto Caesar, or not?
[06] But knowing their malicious intent, the Ι̅H said, Why do you make trial of me, O hypocrites? show me the tribute tax money, (knowing that neither he nor the Perushim would touch it).
[07] So the Herodians held up a denarion, and he said to them, Whose image and inscription is that?
[08] And they said, Καισαρα ΤΚΒΑΘΑ, (that is, Καισαρα + Τιβεριος Καισαρος Βαρ Αυγ Θεος Αυγουστος, and behold, the number of the name and inscription, Καισαρα ΤΚΒΑΘΑ, that is, 333 + 333).
[09] And he answered them, saying, Render therefore unto Caesar the things of Caesar: and render unto Elohim the things of Elohim! and having heard it they marveled, and left off, and went their way.

Roman Tiberius Caesar Denarius 14AD to 37AD:
Inscription: "TI CAESAR DIVI AUG F AUGUSTUS" (Reverse: "PONTIF MAXIM")

Ti Caesar Divi Avg[vsti] F Avgvstvs
Tiberius Caesar, Worshipful Son [[I]of the] Divine[God] Augustus

All of the words from the inscription are found in the Greek N/T.
Hellenized inscription, using "Bar" for Son, as in Bar-Timeaus or Bar-Jesus:

Τιβεριος Καισαρος Βαρ Αυγ Θεος Αυγουστος
Καισαρα ΤΚΒΑΘΑ = 333+333 (666)

Not only did the Master put them to silence but he politely told them Caesar was not Elohim.


Who is next? Oh yeah, Potes Pelate, or I suppose I should say, Pontios Peilatos, (Peilatos is the spelling in most all of the western text types), the Pontiff under Caesar, the Pontiff Maxim, (for the subservient rulers under Caesar were also considered Pontiffs, just not Pontifex Maximus, who was Caesar the head of the empire).

Peilato – A word play on απειλη? – "a menace" (from απειλεω, to menace or threaten)

Pontio – 1) "Of the sea" or "From the Sea" – Pontio Peilate: "Menace from the Sea" (Rome)
Pontio – 2) "Pontif" (priest of the sun god) – Egyptian – Phonti (Chartoumim of Exodus 7-9)
Potes - Ποτης – "Ruler" (but not "absolute ruler" which in Greek is Δεσ-ποτης)

It is quite possible therefore that Δεσποτης (Absolute Ruler), is an obscure ancient Greek way of saying Pontif Maxim, for no one seems to know what Ποτης means or where it came from. But when you view the terminology in light of the focus herein it makes sense: Despotes no doubt means Absolute Ruler, (Pontiff Maxim), while Potes simply means a Pontif-Ruler who is subservient under the supreme Despotes, (Pontif Maxim). This comes through in the surname of Pilate, in the Greek, which surname is Pontios, (Pontif). At the same time it appears quite similar to the first portion of the name Poti-pherah, who was priest of On, whose daughter Pharaoh gave to Yoseph for wife:

Genesis 41:45 KJV
45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnath-paaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.

City of On = "City of the Sun" (Greek Heliopolis)
Poti-Pherah – [B]פוטי פרע – Pontif (Poti) Maxim (Pherah) of Heliopolis-On

Potes Pelat – פוטס פלאט – Shem-Tob Matthew 27 variants

Pontios – Shem-Tob MSS "G" Matthew 27:2 reads "Potes" – פוטס
Peilatos – Shem-Tob MSS "G" Matthew 27:24 reads "Pelat" – פלאט

Concerning the word Pelat, there are places where the yodh, (making the spelling "Pilat"), is missing in Hebrew, (though more often it is found in the word). Also concerning the final letter of the word Pelat: since the spelling concerns a name, the usage of the either tet or tav at the end of Pelat is arbitrary, (depending on who understands the true meaning of the name), and therefore, we have no way of knowing which letter may have been used in the original Hebrew text because the Hebrew Shem-Tob came centuries later; and one cannot even be sure if it was taken from another Hebrew manuscript or taken from a Greek manuscript and then rendered into Hebrew, (meaning, if so, then whoever originally rendered it into Hebrew from Greek made his own decision on the final letter of Pelat to begin with, which decision we cannot know anything about at this point).

However tav certainly seems the most appropriate for the final letter of the name "Pelat" because of the meaning of the letter itself: finality, (fate)sealed, judgment, even death, for the letter itself, being the final letter of the alephbet, is formed with two other letters; the dalet and the nun, (the letters for Dan and judgment). Potes Peilat certainly fulfilled the role of all these things during the trial of Meshiah, that is, finality, acting as final arbitrator and judge, judgment, death, and even idolatrous sun worship going all the way back to Egypt, from whom the Romans took plenty of terminology and pagan ideology, (Pontio - Pontiff, that is Egyptian Phonti, Coptic Honti, and came into Latin as Pontif). In the "Gospel of Nicodemus", (aka "Acts of Pilate"), Pontios Peilatos washes his hands "before the sun", meaning the sun god, whom he clearly honors by such a statement and gesture.

Potes Pelat – פוטס פלאת = Gematria 666

Moreover the word "pote" in Greek, spelled with epsilon, (ποτε), simply means "at whatever time", (generally rendered as "when"). But if it were used in the sense of a name, because all names have meaning and generally represent some form of character or quality in the person having the name, it would be like saying, "man of the hour", "man of the occasion", "timely man", or "opportune man", (fit man), which is precisely what Lev 16:21 prescribes for such a one as he who released Bar-Abbas back into the desert.

G4219 πότε pote (po'-te) prt.
interrogative adverb, at what time.
[from the base of G4226 and G5037]

On a final note, another interesting point about "Pontio Peilate" is that, if indeed his name also means,"Menace from the Sea", then it would place him in the same typological category as Sisera, (Judges Ch. 4&5). But perhaps there may be someone else around here who knows a bit more about such things. :)


Epoisses Epi-shesh Troll Power: 666 - Grand Master of the Dialectic. :shut:

Poor Epoisses, the kingdom of Elohim is within you:

Luke 17:20-21 HNV
20 Being asked by the Perushim when the Kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The Kingdom of God doesn't come with observation;
21 neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."

And yeast of course means leaven in the following passages:

Matthew 13:33 HNV
33 He spoke another parable to them. "The Kingdom of Heaven is like yeast, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, until it was all leavened."

Mark 8:15 HNV
15 He charged them, saying, "Take heed: beware of the yeast of the Perushim and the yeast of Herod."

Matthew 16:6 HNV
6 Yeshua said to them, "Take heed and beware of the yeast of the Perushim and Tzedukim."

Therefore beware of the leaven of Herod, (and thus also the "Herodians"), and of the leaven of the Perushim, (Pharisees), and of the leaven of the Tzedukim or Tzadukim, (Sadducees). And according to the Teacher of Righteousness this "leaven" of which he speaks concerns teachings, doctrines, and hypocrisy, (Matthew 16:12, Luke 12:1).

Herod = הורדוס
Tzadukim = צדוקים
Perushim = פרושים

Herod + leaven = הורודוס (666 - H6R6D6S)
Perushim + leaven = פירושיין (666 - Perushiin)
Tzadukim + leaven = שודושים (666 - Shaddusim/Showddusim)

כרוב הסכך (Covering Cherub, (haKohen haGadol)) ― Eze 28:16 ― Gematria 333
Καισαρα (Caesar) ― John 19:15 ― Gematria 333
Καισαρα ΤΚΒΑΘΑ = 333+333 ― Gematria 666

טיבריהס קיסר ― Tiberias Caesar ― Gematria 666
פוטס פלאת ― Potes Peilat (Pontios Peilatos) ― Gematria 666
Αννα και Καιαφα ― Anan and Kaiapha ― Gematria 666
Herod + leaven = הורודוס ― H6R6D6S
Perushim + leaven = פירושיין (Perushiin) ― Gematria 666
Tzadukim + leaven = שודושים (Shaddusim/Showddusim) ― Gematria 666

Beware of the leaven of Herod, and of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of the Sadducees: for the kingdom of the heavens is like leaven, which a woman took and concealed in three measures of flour, until the whole lump was leavened. Your heavens and your earth shall pass away, but the words of the Master shall not pass away: and they shall be fulfilled to each in his or her own appointed times, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. No exceptions to the rule if you will enter in. :chuckle:

Epoisses
August 5th, 2017, 09:07 PM
Beware of the leaven of Daqq who doesn't even know who the Messiah is.

daqq
August 5th, 2017, 09:41 PM
Beware of the leaven of Daqq who doesn't even know who the Messiah is.

Those were quotes from his Testimony whom you apparently do not know:

Matthew 16:6-12
6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mark 8:15
15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

Luke 12:1
1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Matthew 10:17-18
17 But beware of men: [anthropon-manfaced countenances - Jude 1:4 ASV] for they will deliver you up to the sanhedrins, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the heathen.

Matthew 13:33
33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of flour, till the whole was leavened.

Matthew 24:35
35 The heavens and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You cannot know him because you refuse to consume his Testimony.

Epoisses
August 6th, 2017, 02:42 PM
Beware of the leaven of Daqq who is anti-christ and anti-gospel.

daqq
August 6th, 2017, 04:15 PM
Beware of the leaven of Daqq who is anti-christ and anti-gospel.

Twisting the scripture, twisting the Testimony of the Messiah whom you claim to know and love and even worship, calling his followers anti-christ, blaspheming the Holy Spirit within me and the Testimony of the Messiah which and Who is in me, blaspheming the Spirit of my heavenly Father, (Mat 10:20), which and Who speaks through me when I quote the Testimony of His beloved Son, blaspheming for calling my heavenly Father a spirit of anti-christ: and for what purpose do you do all this and destroy your own soul? You do it just so that you can make an empty and baseless accusation which has already been proven to be false. You sold your soul awfully cheap: but I suppose if your soul is worth nothing to you then you have now your reward. :)

Epoisses
August 6th, 2017, 08:57 PM
Twisting the scripture, twisting the Testimony of the Messiah whom you claim to know and love and even worship, calling his followers anti-christ, blaspheming the Holy Spirit within me and the Testimony of the Messiah which and Who is in me, blaspheming the Spirit of my heavenly Father, (Mat 10:20), which and Who speaks through me when I quote the Testimony of His beloved Son, blaspheming for calling my heavenly Father a spirit of anti-christ: and for what purpose do you do all this and destroy your own soul? You do it just so that you can make an empty and baseless accusation which has already been proven to be false. You sold your soul awfully cheap: but I suppose if your soul is worth nothing to you then you have now your reward. :)

Beware of the leaven of Daqq a stupid lost soul who hates truth and righteousness. When someone caves to the temptations of the devil they don't turn into axe murderers they get assimilated into the works-righteousness gospel where they spout Torah over and over and over. It's important to see what real evil looks like.

LetsObeyChrist
August 27th, 2017, 10:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKggC_QY6QA&t=3s

Nihilo
December 31st, 2017, 08:44 PM
In Greek and Hebrew letters are used as numbers. The bible says that we calculate the whole number 666.It's Nero, Nero Caesar translated into Hebrew counts to 666, and in Greek instead, it counts to 616, and some copies of Revelation have 616 instead of 666, belying that it was Nero.

666 is related to Solomon who represents a kingdom of rich and intelligence. 666 is also related to gold or currency.....I agree on both counts. Nero was the "king" (emperor) of the Roman Empire, and he had his own money, coins with his image and his name ("Nero Caesar") right on them, some of bronze, some silver, and some gold.

Forehead and right hand refers to an ancient Jewish custom to tie verses of Scripture on forehead and back of hand to represent how men are guided by God in terms of their mind (forehead) and behavior (right hand).That's correct, but I think it's a red herring. A coin, when buying and selling, will be in either the left or the right hand. The mark is "Nero Caesar," and that's right on the coin, right on the gold, and the mark, when the coin is in the right hand, is on the right hand. If it's on the right hand, then it's logically technically true that it's on the forehead or the right hand.