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popsthebuilder
June 23rd, 2017, 04:53 AM
We have all heard of the elect of GOD. Some even claim outright, to be, the very elect (which, by the way, is a sure sign they aren't). But I'm not too interested in discussing those particulars. What I would enjoy discussing is GOD's purpose for the elect.

I have my opinions on the subject but would like for others to chime in before I go any further with no audience. Please; if anyone has what they believe to be useful insight towards profitable conversation regarding the topic at hand then feel free to post. It is also my hope that this remain a discussion of a civil type, without attack and degradation of spirit. We are to edify one another and not fight and argue, so if this thing goes south then I'll most likely abandon it.

I look forward to the insights of others on the topic.

Thanks in advance,

peace

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beloved57
June 23rd, 2017, 05:32 AM
I believe the Gods purpose for the Elect is their being conformed to the image of Christ Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

3:When Christ shall appear, at His second coming, they the Elect shall be like Him 1 Jn 3:2

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

This also is what Paul means here Col 1:27

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

beameup
June 23rd, 2017, 05:41 AM
Which group of elect?

popsthebuilder
June 23rd, 2017, 06:11 AM
Which group of elect?
Not those destined for destruction.

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popsthebuilder
June 23rd, 2017, 06:16 AM
I believe the Gods purpose for the Elect is their being conformed to the image of Christ Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

3:When Christ shall appear, at His second coming, they the Elect shall be like Him 1 Jn 3:2

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

This also is what Paul means here Col 1:27

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Outstanding.

So then; if the elect are to be conformed to the likeness of the Christ of GOD then it would follow that, using scripture as a base of knowledge of what the anointed of GOD was like, we can easily and with a surety discern who it is that may be conformed, and also who is a wolf madcarading as a shepard.

Beloved57; in my personal little opinion, that was the most concise and pointed post I have read of yours. Thank you sincerely. Please do post more of the same vain if you would.

peace

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beameup
June 23rd, 2017, 06:21 AM
Not those destined for destruction.
The "elect" are groups that are chosen by God for his various eternal good purposes.
Different groups of "elect" for different purposes.

popsthebuilder
June 23rd, 2017, 06:26 AM
The "elect" are groups that are chosen by God for his various eternal purposes.
Different groups of "elect" for various purposes.
Could you expound on your words please?

Varied purposes; such as, please?

peace

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beloved57
June 23rd, 2017, 07:29 AM
pops


So then; if the elect are to be conformed to the likeness of the Christ of GOD then it would follow that, using scripture as a base of knowledge of what the anointed of GOD was like, we can easily and with a surety discern who it is that may be conformed, and also who is a wolf madcarading as a shepard.

Christ is the Truth Jn 14:6 the gauge I believe is The Truth as it is in Christ Jesus, thats something that cant be masqueraded.

jamie
June 23rd, 2017, 08:40 AM
What I would enjoy discussing is GOD's purpose for the elect.


"For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. But one testified in a certain place, saying: 'What is man that You are mindful of him, or the son of man that You take care of him?'

You have made him a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
And set him over the works of Your hands.
You have put all things in subjection under his feet.

For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone." (Hebrews 2:5-9)

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 11:08 PM
But I'm not too interested
What I would enjoy*
I have my opinions
before I go any further with no audience.
It is also my hope
then I'll most likely abandon it.*


A series of "I's" and for good measure a "my" says it all. Self centered.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 04:23 AM
But I'm not too interested
What I would enjoy*
I have my opinions
before I go any further with no audience.
It is also my hope
then I'll most likely abandon it.*


A series of "I's" and for good measure a "my" says it all. Self centered.
It's OK to be without a clue friend, but your contribution was simply a garbled mess with little to no point or weight.

Perhaps next time you could actually add to the discussion.



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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 04:26 AM
But I'm not too interested
What I would enjoy*
I have my opinions
before I go any further with no audience.
It is also my hope
then I'll most likely abandon it.*


A series of "I's" and for good measure a "my" says it all. Self centered.
No, the topic is the elect of GOD and GOD'S purpose for them. I don't go around claiming to be the elect of GOD or Christ like some false teachers like to do while condemning everyone; so the topic is in no way self centered.

Seeing as how it is my topic; it was only right to inform people of the parameters of the conversation.



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God's Truth
June 24th, 2017, 04:36 AM
Those in false doctrines have wrong beliefs about God's chosen and elect.

I am one of God's chosen and elect, and that means I have been saved.

All that God saves are elected , or chosen for salvation. They are elected /chosen when God saved them and gave them His Holy Spirit. God did not elect us in the predestined way the Calvinists teach, but God elects us when we believe, obey, confess, repent of sins, and call on the name of the Lord to save us.

Not all Bible translations even use the word elect.

Read this scripture that says ‘elect’ and ‘chosen.’ Mark 13:20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.

Notice Revelations 17:14 even uses ‘called,’ and ‘chosen.’

Revelation 17:14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you,

James 2:5 Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?

Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Matthew 22:14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

2 John 1:13 The children of your sister, who is chosen by God, send their greetings.

Matthew 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Mark 13:22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Romans 11:7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened,

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness—

Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

1 Corinthians 1:28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,

2 Thessalonians 2:13 [ Stand Firm ] But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:12 AM
It's OK to be without a clue friend, but your contribution was simply a garbled mess with little to no point or weight.

Perhaps next time you could actually add to the discussion.



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It so happens that the "garbled mess" were quotes from your OP.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:21 AM
No, the topic is the elect of GOD and GOD'S purpose for them. I don't go around claiming to be the elect of GOD or Christ like some false teachers like to do while condemning everyone; so the topic is in no way self centered.

Seeing as how it is my topic; it was only right to inform people of the parameters of the conversation.



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Much to the dismay of the pastor and the people in the first denomination I visited after being saved. I took heed of Peter and not them.



"Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"

I'd say it took at least 14 years to fulfil this command. The assurance it brings is often called arrogance, but that can only be expected from people who have never been through it. It strips a man of arrogance, hacks away at the root of self-esteem, annuls confidence in the flesh and the works of the flesh.

This is a singular act of obedience that occurs in time, but is motivated from eternity, because no man is fit for this work.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 06:48 AM
It so happens that the "garbled mess" were quotes from your OP.
In peices and parts; much like you quote scripture; out of context and for your own little motives.

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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 06:51 AM
Those in false doctrines have wrong beliefs about God's chosen and elect.

I am one of God's chosen and elect, and that means I have been saved.

All that God saves are elected , or chosen for salvation. They are elected /chosen when God saved them and gave them His Holy Spirit. God did not elect us in the predestined way the Calvinists teach, but God elects us when we believe, obey, confess, repent of sins, and call on the name of the Lord to save us.

Not all Bible translations even use the word elect.

Read this scripture that says ‘elect’ and ‘chosen.’ Mark 13:20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.

Notice Revelations 17:14 even uses ‘called,’ and ‘chosen.’

Revelation 17:14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you,

James 2:5 Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?

Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Matthew 22:14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

2 John 1:13 The children of your sister, who is chosen by God, send their greetings.

Matthew 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Mark 13:22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Romans 11:7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened,

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness—

Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

1 Corinthians 1:28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,

2 Thessalonians 2:13 [ Stand Firm ] But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
Thank you for the addition GT.

I know you are much more versed in the Bible than myself. Would you like to input why you believe GOD chooses people? Do to think it is for their own sake, or the sake of others, both, or neither.

Your knowledgeable input is always welcome friend.

peace

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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 06:53 AM
Much to the dismay of the pastor and the people in the first denomination I visited after being saved. I took heed of Peter and not them.



"Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"

I'd say it took at least 14 years to fulfil this command. The assurance it brings is often called arrogance, but that can only be expected from people who have never been through it. It strips a man of arrogance, hacks away at the root of self-esteem, annuls confidence in the flesh and the works of the flesh.

This is a singular act of obedience that occurs in time, but is motivated from eternity, because no man is fit for this work.
Don't come in here with your lies.

You are the most arrogant person I have incountered on tol; also the most disingenuous.

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God's Truth
June 24th, 2017, 09:12 AM
Thank you for the addition GT.

I know you are much more versed in the Bible than myself. Would you like to input why you believe god chooses people? Do to think it is for their own sake, Goethe sake of others, both, or neither.

Your knowledgeable input is always welcome friend.

peace

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My beliefs are that the plan for salvation is to be through Jesus, and that plan was made before the creation of anything.

I believe that God wanted us to know good and bad, and He wanted us to chose Him.

Our struggling to be with God and to know Him is what we should do.

God came to earth and was made just like us, but without sin, and showed us the way.

There is no greater love than Jesus.

Jesus chooses those who believe and follow his directions.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 11:09 AM
My beliefs are that the plan for salvation is to be through Jesus, and that plan was made before the creation of anything.

I believe that God wanted us to know good and bad, and He wanted us to chose Him.

Our struggling to be with God and to know Him is what we should do.

God came to earth and was made just like us, but without sin, and showed us the way.

There is no greater love than Jesus.

Jesus chooses those who believe and follow his directions.
Thank you again. I'm almost surprised you made it through my error laden post and do again thank you for not bashing me for it; it is good to know that our (yours and mine) communication block seems to be lifting.

So the elect of GOD in this day are for the direction and sake of GOD'S creation. As was and is the Christ of GOD. Would you agree? Is that scriptural? In contrast; is the opposite true as some propagate; are the elect of GOD for the destruction and damnation of the sinner.

Sorry for the choppy post; tapatalk does odd things when one Dave's AMD returns to a post.

peace

My beliefs are that the plan for salvation is to be through Jesus, and that plan was made before the creation of anything.

I believe that God wanted us to know good and bad, and He wanted us to chose Him.

Our struggling to be with God and to know Him is what we should do.

God came to earth and was made just like us, but without sin, and showed us the way.

There is no greater love than Jesus.

Jesus chooses those who believe and follow his directions.


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God's Truth
June 24th, 2017, 12:45 PM
Thank you again. I'm almost surprised you made it through my error laden post and do again thank you for not bashing me for it; it is good to know that our (yours and mine) communication block seems to be lifting.

So the elect of GOD in this day are for the direction and sake of GOD'S creation. As was and is the Christ of GOD. Would you agree?
Sounds right to me.


Is that scriptural? In contrast; is the opposite true as some propagate; are the elect of GOD for the destruction and damnation of the sinner.
I am not sure what you mean.

God elects those He saves and they are saved because they believe and obey.

God loves His creation in general, but He doesn't know anyone personally unless they obey Him.

Those who reject Christ will go to hell/prison, and then finally to the lake of fire.



Sorry for the choppy post; tapatalk does odd things when one Dave's AMD returns to a post.

peace

I don't think I could handle posting from a phone, or even an ipad. You do a great job.

popsthebuilder
June 25th, 2017, 08:57 AM
Colossians: 3. 1. If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. 5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6. For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7. In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. 8. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10. And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11. Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. 12. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13. Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

We can see fromthe above which characteristics would and wouldn't be exuded by the elect.

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