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Gurucam
June 23rd, 2017, 03:52 AM
1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The above is referring to knowing things through our natural man or flesh body as opposed to knowing things through our spiritual body. The above confirms that things of God are discerned/known only through our spiritual body.

There is a physical body and there is a spiritual body. And both bodies have different faculties for knowing things.

With our physical/flesh body we discern physical thing ('seen' things). With our spiritual body we discern spirit things ('not seen' things), like the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth and the Holy Spirit, Who is God, the Father.

For indeed we can look to things that are 'seen' (physical) and temporal. However, we can also look to things that are 'not seen' ('not physical'/spirit) and eternal:

2 Corinthians 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We have two bodies, through which we can operate. One to discern things that are 'seen' physical and temporal. And the other to discern things that are 'not seen', not physical and eternal:

1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

As unpalatable as it may be to the billion strong traditional Christians, the Holy Bible is discerned/known only through our natural man/physical body. That is, by physically reading and physically hearing the Bible. However, things of God/the Holy Spirit are discerned/known only through our spiritual body. This confirms that the written scriptures are 'the letters which killeth'. Only the Spirit of Truth brings All Truth and giveth life:

2 Corinthians 3:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter (not of the written scriptures), but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The use of able in the above conveys that we are made ministers of the New Testament (Christian teachers) because we can discern/know things from the Holy Spirit through our own hearts/spirits. If we cannot do this we are not ministers of the New Testament. And this is what we (ministers of the New Testament) are given to teach.

In the above 'the new testament' is not the book but the new Christian/spirit and Spirit approach to life (that is without the ten commandments and the written scriptures).

2 Corinthians 3:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter (not of the written scriptures), but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The written scriptures are the letters which killeth (our spiritual actualization). The following confirms that the the letters are the scriptures. In the following, the the letters are the scriptures:

John: 7 KJV N.T.
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 04:10 AM
"Spiritual body" is a contradiction and shows a complete lack of understanding. I stopped reading any further than the first paragraph, because it is an error that would lead to other errors.

I was in a group being led onto a summit by a guide who was displaying a lack of knowledge of the route we were taking. I left him and them to carry on alone. I had a blessed day.

Gurucam
June 23rd, 2017, 05:51 AM
One may need 'ears to hear' or the 'eyes to see' and the 'heart to understand', in order to discern the following.

Matthew: 11 King James Version (KJV)
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

How many of you guys concur with the following:

Speaking through Paul, the spiritual Jesus, who rose to spirit heaven, clad only in his Spirit body and Who is at the side of the Holy Spirit, so as to make intercession for Saints/Christians with the Holy Spirit and . . . . Who then tells Saints/Christians individually and precisely what each of them need to know, pray for, say and do, said the following, as recorded in the Holy KJV N.T.:

1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again (clad only in his spirit body) , who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Romans 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus, the intercede-er) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus, the intercede-er) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus, the intercede-er), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God (the will of God is literally the Holy Spirit).

Truster said: ""Spiritual body" is a contradiction"

Jesus, through Paul said: 'There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.'

Can Truster contradict Paul and Jesus and not be the Satanic, Antichrist?

Clearly Truster is opposing and undermining Jesus and Christianity. He is a Satan Antichrist operative.

. . . who among you can or would deny the above conclusion about Truster. A conclusion that is solidly and spiritually anchored on clear and literal revelations from the Christian Holy Book, the Holy KJV N.T.

. . . indeed who among you would perilously seek to defend Truster?

If readers do not respond, it can mean only two things, as follows:
1. One does not want to be involved.
2. One cannot defend Truster.

Truster also said: 'I was in a group . . . '

Clearly Truster is finding himself in unsavory Satanic Antichrist groups. He falls victim to most of the ideologies of these groops. He is certainly not led or guided by the Spirit of Jesus:

Romans 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus, the intercede-er) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus, the intercede-er) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts(/spirits) knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus, the intercede-er), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God (the will of God is literally the Holy Spirit).

Clearly Truster is led by his own infirmities.

Note that Jesus, who rose to heaven, clad only in his spirit body and is on the side of the Holy Spirit, is the intercede-er.

Note also that Jesus, in his Spirit only format, intercedes for Christians/Saints with two things:
1. with groanings which cannot be uttered and
2. according to the will of God

From the above intercession, Jesus comes up with precisely what each Christian/Saint must know, pray for, say and do.

To come to know this precise information, each Saint/Christian must simply search his or her own heart/spirit, in real time, all the time.

Saint/Christian are Saints/Christians only because each of them are led into all their works by precisely and only what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for each of them to know, pray for, say and do as discerned within each of their own hearts/spirit.

The above is the real and actual way in which the following works:

1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Because Truster is spiritually dead (i.e. unaware of things spiritual), He seeks (either wittingly or not) to deny and undermine this Christian approach to life which is totally and only spirit and Spirit based.

It is obvious that Truster is dead to his own spirit. He is among those who Jesus called, 'the dead' (in his (Jesus') instruction, 'let the dead bury their dead'). Trusher is not 'converted' and healed by Jesus. He is very sick:

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Because Truster is 'the dead', he is trying to reduce every thing to the realities and ideas of spiritually dead people . . . and unilaterally and self-righteously impose his 'dead people' ideas on spiritually aware/'converted' people.

He is obviously neglected by Jesus and he is experiencing and/or will continue to experience the wrath of Jesus.

. . . do not let, lost and totally foolish, Satanic and Antichrist Truster misled you, even in the slightest way.

Christians are instructed by Jesus to simply ignore and throw away 'the dead' who are like Truster.

Jesus used the phrase, 'the dead' to describes spiritually dead people. They are people who are 'in the flesh'. They are not 'converted' and/or healed by Jesus.

Jesus instructs Christians/Saints to simply let spiritually dead people bury each other inside the earth, in hell with Satan, with their their own 'spiritually dead people' ideas:

Matthew: 8 King James Version (KJV)
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Do not let a 'dead' man take you down. Trusher (who said, "Spiritual body" is a contradiction) is indeed a 'dead' man . . . 'a spiritually dead man'.

Jesus through Paul says, 'There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.'

Readers would be well advised to reject Trusher's Satanic, Antichrist idea that '"Spiritual body" is a contradiction' and embrace Jesus idea that 'There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.'.

Gurucam
June 24th, 2017, 06:20 AM
One who is 'dead to one's spirit is described as 'the dead'. Such a person is described as one whose spirit must be saved.

'The dead' who remains 'dead' is totally doomed, for all eternity.

Truster is among 'the dead' because he makes and promote the following Satanic/Antichrist claim: "Spiritual body" is a contradiction".

'The dead' are sent to Satan/Peter, so that their spirit might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus:

1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

There is no guaranty that the spirits of 'the dead' will be saved. It is a might/'may be', thing.

The sad fact is if they do not awaken to their spirits (i.e. if their spirits are not saved) during their current life time, in Satan/Peter's church, they cannot, in their current life time, soweth to Spirit and reap eternal life. They will continue for all their life to soweth to flesh and reap corruption:

Hebrews: 9 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Beware of Truster who boldly make the Satanic/Antichrist claim: ""Spiritual body" is a contradiction".

He seek to derail you from rising out of being 'the dead' so that you will become aware of you own spirit. It is through your own spirit that ypu achieve communion with the Spirit of Jesus, who intercedes on your behalf with the Holy Spirit.

Truster does this evil thing so that you will continue to be 'the dead' and continue to soweth to flesh while you live and so reap corruption and hell when you die. This is the net effect of Trusher's actions.

He is himself, doomed and he seeks to doom others.

'The dead', like Trusher, who remain 'the dead' are totally doomed. You do not want to be among them.

Jesus instructed, those who follow him, i.e. Christians, to simply let the dead bury their dead, i.e., leave them alone to bury each other with their 'dead' beliefs and dead ideas:

Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

oatmeal
June 24th, 2017, 06:33 AM
1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The above is referring to knowing things through our natural man or flesh body as opposed to knowing things through our spiritual body. The above confirms that things of God are discerned/known only through our spiritual body.

There is a physical body and there is a spiritual body. And both bodies have different faculties for knowing things.

With our physical/flesh body we discern physical thing ('seen' things). With our spiritual body we discern spirit things ('not seen' things), like the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth and the Holy Spirit, Who is God, the Father.

For indeed we can look to things that are 'seen' (physical) and temporal. However, we can also look to things that are 'not seen' ('not physical'/spirit) and eternal:

2 Corinthians 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We have two bodies, through which we can operate. One to discern things that are 'seen' physical and temporal. And the other to discern things that are 'not seen', not physical and eternal:

1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

As unpalatable as it may be to the billion strong traditional Christians, the Holy Bible is discerned/known only through our natural man/physical body. That is, by physically reading and physically hearing the Bible. However, things of God/the Holy Spirit are discerned/known only through our spiritual body. This confirms that the written scriptures are 'the letters which killeth'. Only the Spirit of Truth brings All Truth and giveth life:

2 Corinthians 3:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter (not of the written scriptures), but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The use of able in the above conveys that we are made ministers of the New Testament (Christian teachers) because we can discern/know things from the Holy Spirit through our own hearts/spirits. If we cannot do this we are not ministers of the New Testament. And this is what we (ministers of the New Testament) are given to teach.

In the above 'the new testament' is not the book but the new Christian/spirit and Spirit approach to life (that is without the ten commandments and the written scriptures).

2 Corinthians 3:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter (not of the written scriptures), but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The written scriptures are the letters which killeth (our spiritual actualization). The following confirms that the the letters are the scriptures. In the following, the the letters are the scriptures:

John: 7 KJV N.T.
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

You are onto something, please consider the following:

1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Does this verse refer to a spiritual body?

But I Corinthians 15: does?

But in what context?

1 Corinthians 15
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

the context is Jesus Christ's return for his saints. This is further expounded in I Thessalonians 4:13-18

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

This passage like portions of I Corinthians 15 is referring to Jesus Christ's coming for his saints.

In order for us to spiritually discern spiritual things we need to have spirit from God. I John 4:13

God gave to us of his spirit. Acts 2:38

The believer is a three part being. I Thessalonians 5:23

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The natural man, referring to a person who has not received the gift of holy spirit is only body and soul, thus is not able to discern spiritual things. It is with the gift of holy spirit from the Holy Spirit that God enables us to know spiritual things.

The natural man is limited to his five senses for learning, which isn't bad, after all the scriptures is in the category of the fives senses, ie, we read with our physical eyes. But, God does not want us to be so limited. He wants that we not only see the words on the page and believe them, he wants us to perceive the spiritual message in the scripture. Note that many followed Jesus just for the fives senses expericence of seeing miracles, however some followed him with the intent of learning from him.