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Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 01:47 AM
His kingdom is spiritual. He rules in the hearts of men. He sets up his throne where no other king does; he rules the will and affections, his power binds the conscience; he subdues men's lusts. ‘He will subdue our iniquities.' (TW)


7 But as for me, I watch in hope for YAH VEH,
I wait for Elohim my Savior;
my Elohim will hear me.
Israel Will Rise
8 Do not gloat over me, my enemy!
Though I have fallen, I will rise.
Though I sit in darkness,
YAH VEH will be my light.
9 Because I have sinned against him,
I will bear the rage of YAH VEH,
until he pleads my case
and upholds my cause.
He will bring me out into the light;
I will see his justness. Micah 7:7-9


If your will is free then Messiah is not your King. There is no getting away from the fact that Messiah is the King of kings. The question is who is king over you? Who is King in you? Who is King on your behalf? There can be only one Sovereign and if you maintain that your will is free then your will and therefore Satan is your king and ruler.

Repent, trust and be holy.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 01:57 AM
Many would admit Messiah to be their advocate to plead for them, but not their
King to rule over them.


Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against YAH VEH and against his anointed, saying,
“Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”


The chains and shackles you refuse to wear are those of the King.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 02:13 AM
He is King over His people. It was prophesied of Messiah before he was born:

‘And thou, Bethlehem, art not the least among the princes of Judah;
for out of thee shall come a governor that
shall rule my people Yisra'el.' Matt 2:2.

It is a vain thing for a King to have a crown on his head, unless he have a sceptre to rule.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 03:56 AM
He is the Anointed of Yah and in Him we* are anointed. If you be in Him then you partake of His anointing.

we* the redeemed

popsthebuilder
June 23rd, 2017, 04:39 AM
His kingdom is spiritual. He rules in the hearts of men. He sets up his throne where no other king does; he rules the will and affections, his power binds the conscience; he subdues men's lusts. ‘He will subdue our iniquities.' (TW)


7 But as for me, I watch in hope for YAH VEH,
I wait for Elohim my Savior;
my Elohim will hear me.
Israel Will Rise
8 Do not gloat over me, my enemy!
Though I have fallen, I will rise.
Though I sit in darkness,
YAH VEH will be my light.
9 Because I have sinned against him,
I will bear the rage of YAH VEH,
until he pleads my case
and upholds my cause.
He will bring me out into the light;
I will see his justness. Micah 7:7-9


If your will is free then Messiah is not your King. There is no getting away from the fact that Messiah is the King of kings. The question is who is king over you? Who is King in you? Who is King on your behalf? There can be only one Sovereign and if you maintain that your will is free then your will and therefore Satan is your king and ruler.

Repent, trust and be holy.
We relinquish our freedom upon receiving faith because we choose to follow the Christ. To us it is still freedom though,as it is our greatest desire to do such.

Free will in no way denies the lordship of the Christ.

If it did you would be able to find scripture saying as much.

What makes you think it isn't the Will of GOD for man to freely choose? It is so very obvious throughout scripture that man is afforded the freedom to choose that your topic seems disingenuous.

Would you please justify your claim that freedom to choose is the work of Satan and that GOD wants utter control, and that somehow that is synonymous with love amd mercy. No one is denying that you used principals known within scripture in your opinion, so don't act like everyone is lost and stupid. Please just attempt to justify your claims using your own understanding coupled with relevant scripture.


It's a new day....

peace

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Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 06:52 AM
We relinquish our freedom upon receiving faith because we choose to follow the Christ. To us it is still freedom though,as it is our greatest desire to do such.

Free will in no way denies the lordship of the Christ.

If it did you would be able to find scripture saying as much.

What makes you think it isn't the Will of GOD for man to freely choose? It is so very obvious throughout scripture that man is afforded the freedom to choose that your topic seems disingenuous.

Would you please justify your claim that freedom to choose is the work of Satan and that GOD wants utter control, and that somehow that is synonymous with love amd mercy. No one is denying that you used principals known within scripture in your opinion, so don't act like everyone is lost and stupid. Please just attempt to justify your claims using your own understanding coupled with relevant scripture.


It's a new day....

peace

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The regenerate will gladly admit that they did not relinquish anything. The proud, arrogant vessels of wrath will declare "we have never been slaves"...John 8:33 KJV

Epoisses
June 23rd, 2017, 07:18 AM
Satan and Adam had free will before sin. Since that time the will is in bondage to sin and God grants faith to those who follow their conscience to the best of their ability. Jesus thru the Holy Spirit is presently drawing all men to himself. Satan thru the world and fallen religion is presently drawing all men to himself. The old cartoons with the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other are biblically correct.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 07:54 AM
Satan and Adam had free will before sin. Since that time the will is in bondage to sin and God grants faith to those who follow their conscience to the best of their ability. Jesus thru the Holy Spirit is presently drawing all men to himself. Satan thru the world and fallen religion is presently drawing all men to himself. The old cartoons with the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other are biblically correct.

Salvation by works.

Jacob
June 23rd, 2017, 08:14 AM
His kingdom is spiritual. He rules in the hearts of men. He sets up his throne where no other king does; he rules the will and affections, his power binds the conscience; he subdues men's lusts. ‘He will subdue our iniquities.' (TW)


7 But as for me, I watch in hope for YAH VEH,
I wait for Elohim my Savior;
my Elohim will hear me.
Israel Will Rise
8 Do not gloat over me, my enemy!
Though I have fallen, I will rise.
Though I sit in darkness,
YAH VEH will be my light.
9 Because I have sinned against him,
I will bear the rage of YAH VEH,
until he pleads my case
and upholds my cause.
He will bring me out into the light;
I will see his justness. Micah 7:7-9


If your will is free then Messiah is not your King. There is no getting away from the fact that Messiah is the King of kings. The question is who is king over you? Who is King in you? Who is King on your behalf? There can be only one Sovereign and if you maintain that your will is free then your will and therefore Satan is your king and ruler.

Repent, trust and be holy.
Shalom.

Why do you say that Messiah is King of kings?

Shalom.

Jacob

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 08:45 AM
Shalom.

Why do you say that Messiah is King of kings?

Shalom.

Jacob

Because He is.

Epoisses
June 23rd, 2017, 12:44 PM
Salvation by works.

Everything is salvation by works in your false paradigm. Even faith is a work to the Calvinist delusional when Paul contrasted faith and works over and over and over. This shows that you have never read the bible with a teachable spirit but have been spoon fed lies by those eminents in the long robes you bow to. Truster is the proud and arrogant Pharisee who looks down on others whom Christ shed his blood for as trash and sinners when he is the real sinner! Pride is the unpardonable sin even for the converted who have been choked out and are almost dead.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 12:56 PM
Everything is salvation by works in your false paradigm. Even faith is a work to the Calvinist delusional when Paul contrasted faith and works over and over and over. This shows that you have never read the bible with a teachable spirit but have been spoon fed lies by those eminents in the long robes you bow to. Truster is the proud and arrogant Pharisee who looks down on others whom Christ shed his blood for as trash and sinners when he is the real sinner! Pride is the unpardonable sin even for the converted who have been choked out and are almost dead.

I fight the good fight by grace and through trust. I'm sorry that this bothers you so much that you feel the need to "try" and insult me on so many threads.

Epoisses
June 23rd, 2017, 01:00 PM
I fight the good fight by grace and through trust. I'm sorry that this bothers you so much that you feel the need to "try" and insult me on so many threads.

I'm trying to help you bigot who's gospel is despised universally by all Christendom. We're the sheep and everyone else is a goat and a reprobate.

Jacob
June 23rd, 2017, 01:22 PM
Because He is.

Shalom.

I do not know the differences between King of Kings, King of kings, and king of kings. I do not know if this is about God or Jesus.

Shalom.

Jacob

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 01:41 PM
I'm trying to help you bigot who's gospel is despised universally by all Christendom. We're the sheep and everyone else is a goat and a reprobate.

I don't have a gospel. You are a goat and your posts prove that. A goat is a reprobate. Thanks for showing your ignorance yet again.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 01:42 PM
Shalom.

I do not know the differences between King of Kings, King of kings, and king of kings. I do not know if this is about God or Jesus.

Shalom.

Jacob

There is a lot that you don't know.

Jacob
June 23rd, 2017, 01:44 PM
There is a lot that you don't know.

Shalom.

Okay. Thank you.

Shalom.

Jacob

Epoisses
June 23rd, 2017, 04:43 PM
I don't have a gospel. You are a goat and your posts prove that. A goat is a reprobate. Thanks for showing your ignorance yet again.

You're a bigot who has no love for his fellow man showing you are the real reprobate. Calvinist bigots have no love for anyone except their own brood of vipers.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 11:04 PM
You're a bigot who has no love for his fellow man showing you are the real reprobate. Calvinist bigots have no love for anyone except their own brood of vipers.

"real reprobate"? This suggests there are phony or imitation reprobates. This proves, once again, that you use words parrot fashion, without comprehension of the meaning.

Thanks for the laugh.

patrick jane
June 23rd, 2017, 11:14 PM
"real reprobate"? This suggests there are phony or imitation reprobates. This proves, once again, that you use words parrot fashion, without comprehension of the meaning.

Thanks for the laugh.No, it means you are a real reprobate as opposed to one that is accused of being reprobate by you, an accuser of the brethren

Revelation 12:10 KJV -

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 11:22 PM
No, it means you are a real reprobate as opposed to one that is accused of being reprobate by you, an accuser of the brethren

Revelation 12:10 KJV -

You are reprobate and you despise the truth and the trust.

A little religion without the need to repent is what you wanted and that is what you got. You prefer to wallow in sin and that is what you do. You then mock piety and prove you cannot revere truth.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 11:24 PM
PS

The TOL statement of faith says, "Christ commands His followers to rebuke and to judge with righteous judgment and to forgive those who repent."

I rebuke and judge, deal with it.

patrick jane
June 23rd, 2017, 11:24 PM
You are reprobate and you despise the truth and the trust.

A little religion without the need to repent is what you wanted and that is what you got. You prefer to wallow in sin and that is what you do. You then mock piety and prove you cannot revere truth.Yeah that's it, you're pious too

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 11:28 PM
Yeah that's it, you're pious too

You make many assertions towards religion, but you have no demonstrations of an inward work.

patrick jane
June 23rd, 2017, 11:31 PM
You make many assertions towards religion, but you have no demonstrations of an inward work.You talk a good game but I see through you

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 11:44 PM
You talk a good game but I see through you

I was giving this some serious consideration yesterday. Satan sometimes comes with a plate of doubt cakes or sends one of his sons, but I no longer eat the cakes. Thanks for offering, but no thanks...

marhig
June 23rd, 2017, 11:55 PM
You are reprobate and you despise the truth and the trust.

A little religion without the need to repent is what you wanted and that is what you got. You prefer to wallow in sin and that is what you do. You then mock piety and prove you cannot revere truth.
You need to make your mind up, do people need to repent?

I thought that in the gospel according to truster, that repentance is all done for you? And you don't need to do anything?

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 11:59 PM
You need to make your mind up, do people need to repent?

I thought that in the gospel according to truster, that repentance is all done for you? And you don't need to do anything?

People are commanded to trust and repent. People are required to be holy. The ability to be obedient to these commands and callings are gifts provided for the heirs of the pre-evangelsim as part of their inheritance.

PS Try Romans 2:4

PPS Romans 2:5 applies to you.

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 12:20 AM
I was giving this some serious consideration yesterday. Satan sometimes comes with a plate of doubt cakes or sends one of his sons, but I no longer eat the cakes. Thanks for offering, but no thanks...
Yeah and his biggest lie is, even if you carry on wilfully sining then you're still saved, and don't worry nothing you do can keep you from God your saved regardless!

Yet according to Jesus, workers of iniquity won't enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those who do the will of the father enter in.

And there's this in Hebrews 10

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

OSAS is a false teaching from the beginning from the the murderer himself, the father of lies, Satan! He'll do anything to give people a false security. We are to turn from sin and live by the will of God

Romans 11

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The wages of sin is death! (Spiritual death)

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 12:25 AM
People are commanded to trust and repent. People are required to be holy. The ability to be obedient to these commands and callings are gifts provided for the heirs of the pre-evangelsim as part of their inheritance.

PS Try Romans 2:4

PPS Romans 2:5 applies to you.
Well according to you, we're granted repentance, we can't do anything only trust?

Which is not the truth, because we have to repent, we have freewill and God gives us a choice, repent or not.

That's why Jesus said the following

Mark 1:15

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

They had to choose, believe and repent or not!

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 12:37 AM
People are commanded to trust and repent. People are required to be holy. The ability to be obedient to these commands and callings are gifts provided for the heirs of the pre-evangelsim as part of their inheritance.

PS Try Romans 2:4

PPS Romans 2:5 applies to you.
By the way, Romans 2:4 is regarding God convicting our hearts daily and we then turn from sin. Not God making us repent and believe in the beginning. God convicts our heart with his word. And those who hear his word can either believe and be a doer of the word, and follow Jesus, or not.

You could do with reading some more of that chapter. Here is a bit of it.

Romans 2

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.

We can either live by the will of God or not, and God will judge those that have heard the truth.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 12:39 AM
Well according to you, we're granted repentance, we can't do anything only trust?

Which is not the truth, because we have to repent, we have freewill and God gives us a choice, repent or not.

That's why Jesus said the following

Mark 1:15

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

They had to choose, believe and repent or not!

The fruit of justness is peace and the most blatantly obvious trait of the unregenerate is they do not have lasting peace. They exist on a roller coaster of emotional instability.

I do not deserve the peace I have and I know for an absolute fact that I did nothing to justify my receiving this precious gift.

I have been justified. I was converted. I have been made regenerate. I have been granted repentance and trust.


I have been co-staked with Messiah: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Messiah liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the trust of the Son of Elohim, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Take note of the "trust of"

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 12:42 AM
"But may it never be for me to boast, except in the stake of our Adonay Yah Shua Messiah, through whom the world has been staked to me, and I to the world".

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 12:43 AM
By the way, Romans 2:4 is regarding God convicting our hearts daily and we then turn from sin. Not God making us repent and believe in the beginning. God convicts our heart with his word. And those who hear his word can either believe and be a doer of the word, and follow Jesus, or not.

You could do with reading some more of that chapter. Here is a bit of it.

Romans 2

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.

We can either live by the will of God or not, and God will judge those that have heard the truth.


Aww, it’s so cute when you try to talk about things you don’t understand.

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 12:48 AM
The fruit of justness is peace and the most blatantly obvious trait of the unregenerate is they do not have lasting peace. They exist on a roller coaster of emotional instability.

I do not deserve the peace I have and I know for an absolute fact that I did nothing to justify my receiving this precious gift.

I have been justified. I was converted. I have been made regenerate. I have been granted repentance and trust.

You will have had to believe at some point, we have a choice believe and repent, or not. God doesn't believe and repent for us and we do nothing!



I have been co-staked with Messiah: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Messiah liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the trust of the Son of Elohim, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Take note of the "trust of"

If that were true, then you wouldn't call those who obey God and live by his will evil and wicked for doing so!

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 12:56 AM
You will have had to believe at some point, we have a choice believe and repent, or not. God doesn't believe and repent for us and we do nothing!



If that were true, then you wouldn't call those who obey God and live by his will evil and wicked for doing so!

The unregenerate cannot please Elohim. Their attempts at obedience are an abomination. He is only pleased with His Dearly Beloved Son and all those that are found in Him. Therein is my rest, my peace and my salvation.

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 12:58 AM
The unregenerate cannot please Elohim. Their attempts at obedience are an abomination. He is only pleased with His Dearly Beloved Son and all those that are found in Him. Therein is my rest, my peace and my salvation.

Those who don't obey God and do his will are the unregenerate!

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 01:02 AM
Those who don't obey God and do his will are the unregenerate!

Those that attempt to do His will without the grace to do so are pretenders and pseudo brothers.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 01:06 AM
You will have had to believe at some point, we have a choice believe and repent, or not. God doesn't believe and repent for us and we do nothing!



The effects of the evangelism mean that:

Unbelievers suddenly believed.

Better translated as the trustless suddenly trusted.


And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of Adonay: and as many as were ordained to eternal life trusted.

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 01:10 AM
Those that attempt to do His will without the grace to do so are pretenders and pseudo brothers.

We can't live by the will of God without his grace! Because without the grace of God we wouldn't have been blessed with his word and Spirit through Christ Jesus. But by the grace of God we are blessed to have a chance to know him. And we are saved by the grace of God through faith in God and Christ!

But still, we have a choice when we hear the gospel, believe or not.

We don't have belief and repentance given to us, they are a choice that we have to make!

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 01:19 AM
The effects of the evangelism mean that:

Unbelievers suddenly believed.

Better translated as the trustless suddenly trusted.


And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of Adonay: and as many as were ordained to eternal life trusted.

How about adding some of the other verses around that one?

Acts 13

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

They didn't just believe from nowhere, they believed the word of God once they heard it! And they had a choice, believe or not!

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 01:23 AM
We can't live by the will of God without his grace! Because without the grace of God we wouldn't have been blessed with his word and Spirit through Christ Jesus. But by the grace of God we are blessed to have a chance to know him. And we are saved by the grace of God through faith in God and Christ!

But still, we have a choice when we hear the gospel, believe or not.

We don't have belief and repentance given to us, they are a choice that we have to make!

Trust is a gift:


For by grace are ye saved through trust; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of Elohim:

Repentance is granted:


When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified Elohim, saying, Then hath Elohim also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 01:29 AM
Trust is a gift:


For by grace are ye saved through trust; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of Elohim:

Repentance is granted:


When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified Elohim, saying, Then hath Elohim also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Granted repentance in that verse means that once we repented, God forgave us, not that he repented for us!

By the way, to have faith is to trust in God!

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 01:31 AM
Granted repentance in the verse means that once we repented, God forgave us, not that he repented for us!

By the way, to have faith is to trust in God!

I'm not "by the way" I'm in The Way.


But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when Elohim's just judgment will be revealed.

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 01:35 AM
I'm not "by the way" I'm in The Way.


But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when Elohim's just judgment will be revealed.
And those with a hard unrepentant heart love their flesh before God. And they don't obey him and they don't live by his will. And condemn and judge those that do, thus they are unregenerate!

Take a look at yourself before you judge others!

Anyway I've got things to do so I'm off! :)

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 01:45 AM
And those with a hard unrepentant heart love their flesh before God. And they don't obey him and they don't live by his will. And condemn and judge those that do, thus they are unregenerate!

Take a look at yourself before you judge others!

Anyway I've got things to do so I'm off! :)

I shall be exceedingly blessed by your absence.

marhig
June 24th, 2017, 02:56 AM
I shall be exceedingly blessed by your absence.
Oh ok, but I've just had a thought,

Peter said, repent and BE converted, not that we are to be converted to repentance!

And once we repent our sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord! And not before we repent! And those times of refreshing come by the word of God through Christ by the Spirit!

Acts 3

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you

Ok I'm off!

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 04:12 AM
You need to make your mind up, do people need to repent?

I thought that in the gospel according to truster, that repentance is all done for you? And you don't need to do anything?
According to trustee you can't repent and it actually means to be sorry and not to turn from, or stop a thing.

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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 04:17 AM
Those that attempt to do His will without the grace to do so are pretenders and pseudo brothers.
Scripture please

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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 04:19 AM
Trust is a gift:


For by grace are ye saved through trust; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of Elohim:

Repentance is granted:


When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified Elohim, saying, Then hath Elohim also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Giving them the choice to repent.

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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 04:20 AM
I'm not "by the way" I'm in The Way.


But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when Elohim's just judgment will be revealed.
More like attempting to block the Way for others

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 04:58 AM
Oh ok, but I've just had a thought,

Peter said, repent and BE converted, not that we are to be converted to repentance!

And once we repent our sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord! And not before we repent! And those times of refreshing come by the word of God through Christ by the Spirit!

Acts 3

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you

Ok I'm off!

He said repent and be converted. Conversion, regeneration and repentance occur almost simultaneously. If you'd been saved you'd know that.

It has to do with the blood and water coming forth from the side of Messiah when pierced.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:03 AM
And those with a hard unrepentant heart love their flesh before God. And they don't obey him and they don't live by his will. And condemn and judge those that do, thus they are unregenerate!

Take a look at yourself before you judge others!

Anyway I've got things to do so I'm off! :)

I have taken a long and deep look at myself. Beyond your possible imagination. When I'd finished I cried out:


Search me, O Elohim, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

He did and I am being led in that Way. I expose the works and workers of darkness.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:07 AM
Giving them the choice to repent.

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If repentance were a free-will choice you could have done so long ago. You are proof that repentance is a gift simply because you have not received it.


Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the trust. 2 Timothy 3:8

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:55 AM
More like attempting to block the Way for others

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Consider yourself reproved.


"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them".

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 06:54 AM
If repentance were a free-will choice you could have done so long ago. You are proof that repentance is a gift simply because you have not received it.


Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the trust. 2 Timothy 3:8
Talk out your butt much? Rhetorical

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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 06:58 AM
Consider yourself reproved.


"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them".
You are a sneak and a liar, a false accuser and instigator. All your words are for striving against others and contention. You ate not forgive teachings of the Christ and sinuous ate an enemy of GOD and Christ. Rejoice; our Lord and GOD is merciful.

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 07:20 AM
You are a sneak and a liar, a false accuser and instigator. All your words are for striving against others and contention. You ate not forgive teachings of the Christ and sinuous ate an enemy of GOD and Christ. Rejoice; our Lord and GOD is merciful.

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Don't bring "others" into this. YOU are reproved.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 07:22 AM
You are a sneak and a liar, a false accuser and instigator. All your words are for striving against others and contention. You ate not forgive teachings of the Christ and sinuous ate an enemy of GOD and Christ. Rejoice; our Lord and GOD is merciful.

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The Almighty loves justice, judgement as well as mercy.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 07:24 AM
Don't bring "others" into this. YOU are reproved.

You are nothing and in no position to reprove any but yourself. I haven't brought others into it; you do with your incessant damning of all but self.

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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 07:24 AM
The Almighty loves justice, judgement as well as mercy.
The only just judgement is mercy as it pertains to man judging man.

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 07:27 AM
You are nothing and in no position to reprove any but yourself. I haven't brought others into it; you do with your incessant damning of all but self.

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You hate the truth and you hate those that bring the truth. You wanted a religion that allows you to continue in sin and that is what you have.

You'll find some scriptures to back up that statement.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 07:29 AM
The only just judgement is mercy as it pertains to man judging man.

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Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.


Everytime you post you are exposed and unrepentant.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 07:31 AM
You hate the truth and you hate those that bring the truth. You wanted a religion that allows you to continue in sin and that is what you have.

You'll find some scriptures to back up that statement.
Find one post where I ever said we can go about in knowing sin and be saved, one.

All you do is make up lies.

I justifiably said you ate nothing as I regard myself as the same. I hate none, but do oh so hate the misdirection you propagate as truth.

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popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 07:32 AM
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.


Everytime you post you are exposed and unrepentant.
Projection and idiocracy, as usual.

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 07:32 AM
Find one post where I ever said we can go about in knowing sin and be saved, one.

All you do is make up lies.

I justifiably said you ate nothing as I regard myself as the same. I hate none, but do oh so hate the misdirection you propagate as truth.

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You sin in each and every post in which you deny and despise the truth.

Repent and trust.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 07:34 AM
You sin in each and every post in which you deny and despise the truth.

Repent and trust.
Show one post where I have denied the truth, or shown myself to hate the truth.

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 07:38 AM
Show one post where I have denied the truth, or shown myself to hate the truth.

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There you go again in complete denial.

Repent and trust or perish.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 07:39 AM
There you go again in complete denial.

Repent and trust or perish.
It would be so very out of character for you to support a singular claim against me.

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 07:46 AM
It would be so very out of character for you to support a singular claim against me.

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You are an unrepentant sinner. I am a repentant sinner. Not by works, but by grace. So if I'm accused, yet again, of boasting. My boast is in Messiah and my Saviour.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 07:56 AM
You are an unrepentant sinner. I am a repentant sinner. Not by works, but by grace. So if I'm accused, yet again, of boasting. My boast is in Messiah and my Saviour.
No one is speaking of your boasting, but of your constant inability to support any claim whatsoever, and your accompanying lies.

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 01:21 PM
No one is speaking of your boasting, but of your constant inability to support any claim whatsoever, and your accompanying lies.

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If you knew the scriptures you would recognise the doctrine I speak of. It is not for me to provide chapter and verse it is for you to search scripture. You'll find that Paul said that in relation to Bereans.

Messiah also mentions why people don't hear His speech:


Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. John 8:43

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 04:21 PM
If you knew the scriptures you would recognise the doctrine I speak of. It is not for me to provide chapter and verse it is for you to search scripture. You'll find that Paul said that in relation to Bereans.

Messiah also mentions why people don't hear His speech:


Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. John 8:43
You play the part of an donkey exceedingly well.

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 04:39 PM
You play the part of an donkey exceedingly well.

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Are you drunk?

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 05:10 PM
Are you drunk?
I don't really drink. Why do you ask?

Oh.... I see.... It was initially a different word for donkey. Thanks, I might leave it though.



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Epoisses
June 24th, 2017, 05:15 PM
"real reprobate"? This suggests there are phony or imitation reprobates. This proves, once again, that you use words parrot fashion, without comprehension of the meaning.

Thanks for the laugh.

Calvinism is the religion of bigotry and everyone knows it. This is why it is so popular because the carnal heart can continue being an unloving bigot and still be a member like you.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:21 PM
Calvinism is the religion of bigotry and everyone knows it. This is why it is so popular because the carnal heart can continue being an unloving bigot and still be a member like you.


Thou shalt not live for thou wordest falsehoods in the name of Yah Veh.(Zac)

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 05:22 PM
Thou shalt not live for thou wordest falsehoods in the name of Yah Veh.(Zac)
Imagine that; more projection.



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Epoisses
June 24th, 2017, 05:22 PM
Thou shalt not live for thou wordest falsehoods in the name of Yah Veh.(Zac)

His name is Jesus not your babel names.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:36 PM
Imagine that; more projection.



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It does apply to you.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:37 PM
His name is Jesus not your babel names.

He was not named Jesus in the King James 1611 version.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 05:38 PM
It does apply to you.
If so you could support your false claim

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Truster
June 24th, 2017, 05:49 PM
If so you could support your false claim

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Every time you post you prove that you are unregenerate, because you always oppose the truth.

popsthebuilder
June 24th, 2017, 06:23 PM
Every time you post you prove that you are unregenerate, because you always oppose the truth.
And by "truth", you mean, yourself.



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Truster
June 25th, 2017, 01:42 AM
And by "truth", you mean, yourself.



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Truth is absolute and does not find its root in man.

Your blindness is also judged by those statements you agree with and thank others for. I spend more time (and that is just a glance) at who has agreed with what you've posted than reading what you post.

What you cannot understand is that for the saints the truth has a sweet smelling savour and we devour it. Lies, half truths and pseudo doctrine stinks and we can't get far enough away from it. It has the stench of death and decay.

popsthebuilder
June 25th, 2017, 05:44 AM
Truth is absolute and does not find its root in man.

Your blindness is also judged by those statements you agree with and thank others for. I spend more time (and that is just a glance) at who has agreed with what you've posted than reading what you post.

What you cannot understand is that for the saints the truth has a sweet smelling savour and we devour it. Lies, half truths and pseudo doctrine stinks and we can't get far enough away from it. It has the stench of death and decay.
You silly lying clown. All you do is pretend to be something your not. I pay attention to who thanks your posts as well. You'll find that when you actually post truth within the context of the subject matter at hand that I do thank it.

You might discourage some with lies and fear, but not those who know better.

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Truster
June 25th, 2017, 05:54 AM
You silly lying clown. All you do is pretend to be something your not. I pay attention to who thanks your posts as well. You'll find that when you actually post truth within the context of the subject matter at hand that I do thank it.

You might discourage some with lies and fear, but not those who know better.

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On the day you take your last breath and your heart beats for the last time you will know for an absolute certainty that what I have warned you of it absolutely true...to late.

popsthebuilder
June 25th, 2017, 06:00 AM
On the day you take your last breath and your heart beats for the last time you will know for an absolute certainty that what I have warned you of it absolutely true...to late.
As if you have warned any of any thing. We've had this conversation. Wait; I wait too.

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Truster
June 25th, 2017, 06:56 AM
As if you have warned any of any thing. We've had this conversation. Wait; I wait too.

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Warning: Your religion is false. Your salvation is nonexistent. You lie. You hate the truth. You are not repentant. You have not been converted.

popsthebuilder
June 25th, 2017, 08:26 AM
Warning: Your religion is false. Your salvation is nonexistent. You lie. You hate the truth. You are not repentant. You have not been converted.

My religion is that which GOD alone has led me to know in HIS lovingkindness. It holds to no sect, divisions, or discrimination, by the direction of GOD, the inclinations and moving brought about through and by the Holy Spirit, and reafirmed, strengthened, and further established by the Word, thanks to our beloved Lord Jesus and to Lord GOD.

My salvation is secure so long as I turn not from the free gifts given me, or the implications, responsibilities, and direction there of.

I do not lie and the truth is my comfort.

I have repented and do so wish to repent of all things abject to my Beloved, in due time, with patience, faith, and perseverance in the Word of GOD.

I have no thing to fear, my security is kept by the One who is the Object of my faith.

You know not what you speak.

Your envy shines through almost more than your spite, contempt, malice, and hate.
May the GOD of your god mercifully guide each and every one of us, for HIS pleasure and our sake.




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Truster
June 25th, 2017, 08:27 AM
"My salvation is secure so long as I turn not from the free gifts given me, or the implications, responsibilities, and direction there of."


Salvation by works.

popsthebuilder
June 25th, 2017, 08:41 AM
"My salvation is secure so long as I turn not from the free gifts given me, or the implications, responsibilities, and direction there of."


Salvation by works.
Everything is work.

To do nothing in light of what should be believed and what is known is the active working against the Way put forth by the Will of GOD alone, and to wholly ignore the selfless conscience in favor of idols, and to not repent.

It is good that you grasp things so quickly. It is bad that you use them only to wrongly incriminate all but self... This is called pride.... Please do search out what our Lord teaches on the subject. Please do step outside and behind yourself and do judge your own motives, that I assure you, are not the will of our Lord.

May death be long and dreadfully painful beyond comprehension for me if I lie to you now here in this post at this time.



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Truster
June 25th, 2017, 09:34 AM
Everything is work.

To do nothing in light of what should be believed and what is known is the active working against the Way put forth by the Will of GOD alone, and to wholly ignore the selfless conscience in favor of idols, and to not repent.

It is good that you grasp things so quickly. It is bad that you use them only to wrongly incriminate all but self... This is called pride.... Please do search out what our Lord teaches on the subject. Please do step outside and behind yourself and do judge your own motives, that I assure you, are not the will of our Lord.

May death be long and dreadfully painful beyond comprehension for me if I lie to you now here in this post at this time.



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Everything you say is a lie and you agree with other liars.

Truster
June 25th, 2017, 10:46 AM
His kingdom is spiritual. He rules in the hearts of men. He sets up his throne where no other king does; he rules the will and affections, his power binds the conscience; he subdues men's lusts. ‘He will subdue our iniquities.' (TW)


7 But as for me, I watch in hope for YAH VEH,
I wait for Elohim my Savior;
my Elohim will hear me.
Israel Will Rise
8 Do not gloat over me, my enemy!
Though I have fallen, I will rise.
Though I sit in darkness,
YAH VEH will be my light.
9 Because I have sinned against him,
I will bear the rage of YAH VEH,
until he pleads my case
and upholds my cause.
He will bring me out into the light;
I will see his justness. Micah 7:7-9


If your will is free then Messiah is not your King. There is no getting away from the fact that Messiah is the King of kings. The question is who is king over you? Who is King in you? Who is King on your behalf? There can be only one Sovereign and if you maintain that your will is free then your will and therefore Satan is your king and ruler.

Repent, trust and be holy.

Try and get this back on track:

Psalm 103:19


YAH VEH hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all

patrick jane
June 25th, 2017, 10:54 AM
"My salvation is secure so long as I turn not from the free gifts given me, or the implications, responsibilities, and direction there of."


Salvation by works.Story of your life

popsthebuilder
June 25th, 2017, 11:21 AM
Everything you say is a lie and you agree with other liars.
If you only understood how damning your words are towards yourself. May GOD have mercy on us all.

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Truster
June 25th, 2017, 04:24 PM
Those that deny the rights of The King to rule over all that He has created are denying His Sovereignty. In doing so they cut themselves off from the blessings of providence. Is it any wonder that the scriptures describe them as fools? Rhetorical?

Epoisses
June 25th, 2017, 04:32 PM
Those that deny the rights of The King to rule over all that He has created are denying His Sovereignty. In doing so they cut themselves off from the blessings of providence. Is it any wonder that the scriptures describe them as fools? Rhetorical?

God is not absolutely sovereign in the way it is defined by you with him becoming the author of sin. You are so blind and deluded that you have no answer for this 400 year old quandary. Absolute sovereignty makes God himself the author of sin which is heresy and blasphemy and stupidity and abject lunacy. God foreknew that sin would happen and he allowed sin to happen but he never, ever ordained sin to happen like the lunatic Calvinists postulate.

Truster
June 25th, 2017, 05:28 PM
God is not absolutely sovereign in the way it is defined by you with him becoming the author of sin. You are so blind and deluded that you have no answer for this 400 year old quandary. Absolute sovereignty makes God himself the author of sin which is heresy and blasphemy and stupidity and abject lunacy. God foreknew that sin would happen and he allowed sin to happen but he never, ever ordained sin to happen like the lunatic Calvinists postulate.

If sin was not foreknown why did he predetermine the salvation of sinners. Rhetorical...

popsthebuilder
June 25th, 2017, 07:30 PM
Those that deny the rights of The King to rule over all that He has created are denying His Sovereignty. In doing so they cut themselves off from the blessings of providence. Is it any wonder that the scriptures describe them as fools? Rhetorical?
And who is denying the sovereign Providence of GOD?


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popsthebuilder
June 25th, 2017, 07:31 PM
If sin was not foreknown why did he predetermine the salvation of sinners. Rhetorical...
He specifically said it was foreknown.

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Epoisses
June 25th, 2017, 08:45 PM
If sin was not foreknown why did he predetermine the salvation of sinners. Rhetorical...

Foreknowledge implies awareness not causality or authorship.

Truster
June 26th, 2017, 12:55 AM
Foreknowledge implies awareness not causality or authorship.

Elohim foreknows because He decreed.

Elohim's decree ordains things that occur, Elohims providence orders them.

Truster
June 26th, 2017, 01:03 AM
He specifically said it was foreknown.

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It makes me laugh when you try to talk about things you don’t understand.

popsthebuilder
June 26th, 2017, 04:45 AM
It makes me laugh when you try to talk about things you don’t understand.
"God foreknew that sin would happen and he allowed sin to happen but he never, ever ordained sin to happen like the lunatic Calvinists postulate."

You were saying?

Rhetorical; I don't care.

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Truster
June 26th, 2017, 07:07 AM
"God foreknew that sin would happen and he allowed sin to happen but he never, ever ordained sin to happen like the lunatic Calvinists postulate."

You were saying?

Rhetorical; I don't care.

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You think as a man and you speak as a man and nothing spiritual ever enters your mind.

Epoisses
June 26th, 2017, 07:31 AM
Elohim foreknows because He decreed.

Elohim's decree ordains things that occur, Elohims providence orders them.

So God ordained sin because he decreed it. I rest my case, you and all your cronies are heretics. Pssst. Hey, Truster the reason you never grew into maturity after conversion is because you got lied to. Your faith is corrupt.

Truster
June 26th, 2017, 07:54 AM
So God ordained sin because he decreed it. I rest my case, you and all your cronies are heretics. Pssst. Hey, Truster the reason you never grew into maturity after conversion is because you got lied to. Your faith is corrupt.

It's not my trust. It's a gift and it comes with a lifetime guarantee...

Epoisses
June 26th, 2017, 07:05 PM
It's not my trust. It's a gift and it comes with a lifetime guarantee...

You're right, it's John Calvin's and it's corrupted.

Truster
June 27th, 2017, 05:35 AM
You're right, it's John Calvin's and it's corrupted.

John Calvin was flesh and blood and I have never trusted in the arm of the flesh.

Truster
July 6th, 2017, 12:59 AM
His kingdom is spiritual. He rules in the hearts of men. He sets up his throne where no other king does; he rules the will and affections, his power binds the conscience; he subdues men's lusts. ‘He will subdue our iniquities.' (TW)


7 But as for me, I watch in hope for YAH VEH,
I wait for Elohim my Savior;
my Elohim will hear me.
Israel Will Rise
8 Do not gloat over me, my enemy!
Though I have fallen, I will rise.
Though I sit in darkness,
YAH VEH will be my light.
9 Because I have sinned against him,
I will bear the rage of YAH VEH,
until he pleads my case
and upholds my cause.
He will bring me out into the light;
I will see his justness. Micah 7:7-9


If your will is free then Messiah is not your King. There is no getting away from the fact that Messiah is the King of kings. The question is who is king over you? Who is King in you? Who is King on your behalf? There can be only one Sovereign and if you maintain that your will is free then your will and therefore Satan is your king and ruler.

Repent, trust and be holy.

Without the firm and spiritual understanding of the Sovereignty of Elohim in the Decree of all that comes to pass. There can be no confidence in His providence and so He cannot be trusted, loved or worshipped correctly.