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Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 11:43 AM
God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's holy law.
2. A perfect atonement for his sins and the sins of the whole world.

Jesus Christ in our name and on our behalf, has victoriously met all of these requirements.

This is why Paul wrote,

"And you are COMPLETE IN HIM (Jesus) which is the head of all principalities and powers" Colossians 2:10.

The only thing that is required of us is to believe and embrace what Christ has done as our only means of salvation, plus nothing. If you add something to this like your religion or your own doctrine like Calvinism or whatever, then that means that you don't believe that Jesus has met all of the requirements for your salvation and you need to add your own requirements.

God only accepts the doing and the dying of Jesus for your salvation. Plus nothing. We are accepted only in him.

Adding your works, obedience or your religion to the work of Christ will not be accepted and will result in your condemnation. This is why Jesus said,

"Not everyone that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of the Father which is in heaven. (the will of the Father is that you believe upon his Son Jesus Christ) Many will say to me in that day (judgment day) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name and in your name cast out devils and in your name done many wonderful works. And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity" Matthew 7:21-23.

Salvation is by Christ alone, faith alone, plus nothing, as it is taught by the scriptures. If you have faith in Christ you will not need a religion. Religion is nothing more than an attempt to save yourself without Christ. Jesus and Jesus alone is the savior and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.

Truster
June 22nd, 2017, 11:47 AM
NOTHING is required of man before he is quickened and renewed.

Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 11:53 AM
NOTHING is required of man before he is quickened and renewed.

The only way that one can receive the Holy Spirit is that God must see you as perfect and complete in his Son Jesus Christ.

You are not there.

Truster
June 22nd, 2017, 12:02 PM
The only way that one can receive the Holy Spirit is that God must see you as perfect and complete in his Son Jesus Christ.

You are not there.

Messiah Yah Shua came into the world to save sinners. Not the self-righteous.

patrick jane
June 22nd, 2017, 12:04 PM
NOTHING is required of man before he is quickened and renewed.You were quickened? :nono:

Truster
June 22nd, 2017, 12:08 PM
Psalm 119:50 KJV

Psalm 119:93 KJV

Truster
June 22nd, 2017, 12:09 PM
Ephesians 2:1 KJV

Truster
June 22nd, 2017, 12:11 PM
1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV


Romans 4:17 KJV

Yeah I was quickened.

beloved57
June 22nd, 2017, 12:13 PM
God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's holy law.
2. A perfect atonement for his sins and the sins of the whole world.

Jesus Christ in our name and on our behalf, has victoriously met all of these requirements.

This is why Paul wrote,

"And you are COMPLETE IN HIM (Jesus) which is the head of all principalities and powers" Colossians 2:10.

The only thing that is required of us is to believe and embrace what Christ has done as our only means of salvation, plus nothing. If you add something to this like your religion or your own doctrine like Calvinism or whatever, then that means that you don't believe that Jesus has met all of the requirements for your salvation and you need to add your own requirements.

God only accepts the doing and the dying of Jesus for your salvation. Plus nothing. We are accepted only in him.

Adding your works, obedience or your religion to the work of Christ will not be accepted and will result in your condemnation. This is why Jesus said,

"Not everyone that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of the Father which is in heaven. (the will of the Father is that you believe upon his Son Jesus Christ) Many will say to me in that day (judgment day) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name and in your name cast out devils and in your name done many wonderful works. And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity" Matthew 7:21-23.

Salvation is by Christ alone, faith alone, plus nothing, as it is taught by the scriptures. If you have faith in Christ you will not need a religion. Religion is nothing more than an attempt to save yourself without Christ. Jesus and Jesus alone is the savior and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.
You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost ! Thats saying His Life of Obedience and His death did absolutely nothing to save those He died for !

jamie
June 22nd, 2017, 12:19 PM
Messiah Yah Shua came into the world to save sinners. Not the self-righteous.


Yah Shua sounds Hebrew to me. What was Christ's name before the Hebrew language?

jamie
June 22nd, 2017, 12:21 PM
Salvation is by Christ alone


Is that why Peter was given the keys to the kingdom?

Jacob
June 22nd, 2017, 01:02 PM
God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's holy law.
2. A perfect atonement for his sins and the sins of the whole world.

Jesus Christ in our name and on our behalf, has victoriously met all of these requirements.

This is why Paul wrote,

"And you are COMPLETE IN HIM (Jesus) which is the head of all principalities and powers" Colossians 2:10.

The only thing that is required of us is to believe and embrace what Christ has done as our only means of salvation, plus nothing. If you add something to this like your religion or your own doctrine like Calvinism or whatever, then that means that you don't believe that Jesus has met all of the requirements for your salvation and you need to add your own requirements.

God only accepts the doing and the dying of Jesus for your salvation. Plus nothing. We are accepted only in him.

Adding your works, obedience or your religion to the work of Christ will not be accepted and will result in your condemnation. This is why Jesus said,

"Not everyone that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of the Father which is in heaven. (the will of the Father is that you believe upon his Son Jesus Christ) Many will say to me in that day (judgment day) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name and in your name cast out devils and in your name done many wonderful works. And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity" Matthew 7:21-23.

Salvation is by Christ alone, faith alone, plus nothing, as it is taught by the scriptures. If you have faith in Christ you will not need a religion. Religion is nothing more than an attempt to save yourself without Christ. Jesus and Jesus alone is the savior and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.
Shalom.

No.

Robert Pate. Shalom. Something is wrong with what you wrote.

Shalom.

Jacob

Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 01:03 PM
The Holy Spirit does the quickening.

In the Old Testament era they received the Holy Spirit because they believed in God's promise of a savior, Romans 4:3.

In the New Testament era they received the Holy Spirit because they heard and believed the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.

Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 01:05 PM
Shalom.

No.

Robert Pate. Shalom. Something is wrong with what you wrote.

Shalom.

Jacob

Nothing is wrong with what I wrote, but there is a lot wrong with what you believe.

Jacob
June 22nd, 2017, 01:14 PM
Nothing is wrong with what I wrote, but there is a lot wrong with what you believe.Shalom.

Where would you like to talk about what you are saying now?

Do you want to talk about your opening post?

Shalom.

Jacob

Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 01:31 PM
Shalom.

Where would you like to talk about what you are saying now?

Do you want to talk about your opening post?

Shalom.

Jacob


Sorry Jacob, but your Jewish religion has been abolished by Jesus Christ. The call now is to live by faith, mainly faith in the work and the person of Jesus Christ.

The law and your Jewish religion is a failure, it does not save, nor can it justify. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man can come to the Father but by me" John 14:6.

It is no longer by the way of the law or the Jewish religion. It is by the way of Jesus.

Jacob
June 22nd, 2017, 01:36 PM
Sorry Jacob, but your Jewish religion has been abolished by Jesus Christ. The call now is to live by faith, mainly faith in the work and the person of Jesus Christ.

The law and your Jewish religion is a failure, it does not save, nor can it justify. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man can come to the Father but by me" John 14:6.

It is no longer by the way of the law or the Jewish religion. It is by the way of Jesus.

Shalom.

Jewish religion does not and has not ever justified anyone. What do you mean by It when you say It is no longer by the way of the law or the Jewish religion? What is no longer by the way of the law or the Jewish religion?

I have no problem with Judaism because in Judaism we had the expectation of the coming Messiah, Yeshua, who came. And as a Jew I observe the Law as Jesus taught, when He said that whoever keeps and teaches them, the commandments, shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The new covenant is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Shalom.

Jacob

Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 01:49 PM
Shalom.

Jewish religion does not and has not ever justified anyone. What do you mean by It when you say It is no longer by the way of the law or the Jewish religion? What is no longer by the way of the law or the Jewish religion?

I have no problem with Judaism because in Judaism we had the expectation of the coming Messiah, Yeshua, who came. And as a Jew I observe the Law as Jesus taught, when He said that whoever keeps and teaches them, the commandments, shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The new covenant is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Shalom.

Jacob


The only way that anyone can keep the law and be without sin is to be "In Christ". All that have come to Christ as repentant sinners are given the Holy Spirit and are "In Christ". God sees them as complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10. Your Jewish brother Paul wrote many things about this. Do you read the epistles of Paul?

Jacob
June 22nd, 2017, 01:55 PM
The only way that anyone can keep the law and be without sin is to be "In Christ". All that have come to Christ as repentant sinners are given the Holy Spirit and are "In Christ". God sees them as complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10. Your Jewish brother Paul wrote many things about this. Do you read the epistles of Paul?

Shalom.

I do read the epistles of Paul, yes.

What do you mean by

The only way that anyone can keep the law and be without sin is to be "In Christ".

Do you keep the law? What do you mean by be without sin?

The Spirit of God dwells in me.

Shalom.

Jacob

Bright Raven
June 22nd, 2017, 01:58 PM
Romans 10:9-10 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 02:09 PM
Shalom.

I do read the epistles of Paul, yes.

What do you mean by

The only way that anyone can keep the law and be without sin is to be "In Christ".

Do you keep the law? What do you mean by be without sin?

The Spirit of God dwells in me.

Shalom.

Jacob


No one can do or keep God's law, Jacob. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one," Romans 3:10. If you want to be saved you are going to have to confess that you are a sinner, that is that your righteousness fails to meet the requirements of God's law.

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. Paul confessed that he was "The chief of sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.

Jacob
June 22nd, 2017, 02:32 PM
No one can do or keep God's law, Jacob. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one," Romans 3:10. If you want to be saved you are going to have to confess that you are a sinner, that is that your righteousness fails to meet the requirements of God's law.

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. Paul confessed that he was "The chief of sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.

Shalom.

I have already done this Robert Pate. This does not mean that I cannot obey God's commandments.

Shalom.

Jacob

Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 04:21 PM
Shalom.

I have already done this Robert Pate. This does not mean that I cannot obey God's commandments.

Shalom.

Jacob

As long as you believe that you can keep the commandments you will not be saved.

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners, if you don't see yourself as a sinner you will not see that you need to be saved. This was the problem with the Pharisees, they were self righteous. Your Jewish heritage will count for nothing in the judgment.

Jacob
June 22nd, 2017, 04:32 PM
As long as you believe that you can keep the commandments you will not be saved.

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners, if you don't see yourself as a sinner you will not see that you need to be saved. This was the problem with the Pharisees, they were self righteous. Your Jewish heritage will count for nothing in the judgment.

Shalom.

If you did not know of God's commandments you would not know of your sin. God would not ask you to obey Him and expect you to do something else. He would not give us His commandments if they were impossible for you to obey. If you know God's commandments you should know what to do to fulfill them. If you obey God you know that you do. God would never ask you to do something that is impossible for you to do. If God cammand you to do something, you can do it. He has given us His commandments and I choose to obey.

Shalom.

Jacob

Robert Pate
June 22nd, 2017, 04:44 PM
Shalom.

If you did not know of God's commandments you would not know of your sin. God would not ask you to obey Him and expect you to do something else. He would not give us His commandments if they were impossible for you to obey. If you know God's commandments you should know what to do to fulfill them. If you obey God you know that you do. God would never ask you to do something that is impossible for you to do. If God cammand you to do something, you can do it. He has given us His commandments and I choose to obey.

Shalom.

Jacob

Paul refutes you, "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.

Adam only sinned once. You probably sin every day. You may read Paul's epistles, but you don't believe them.

Even if you were able to keep the written law, which you don't. There is the spiritual law that searches the desires and the intent of the heart. Are all of your thoughts without sin? Hebrews 4:12.

Jacob
June 22nd, 2017, 04:50 PM
Paul refutes you, "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.

Adam only sinned once. You probably sin every day. You may read Paul's epistles, but you don't believe them.

Even if you were able to keep the written law, which you don't. There is the spiritual law that searches the desires and the intent of the heart. Are all of your thoughts without sin? Hebrews 4:12.
Shalom.

I did not say that I have not sinned. I said I choose to obey God.

Shalom.

Jacob

Nick M
June 22nd, 2017, 04:54 PM
NOTHING is required of man before he is quickened and renewed.

You disgusting pig. How long will pervert the straight ways of the Lord?

Ephesians 1

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Here the gospel.
Believe the gospel.
Receive his life-the Spirit.

That is the order, and you know it is the order. You pervert.

Truster
June 23rd, 2017, 12:44 AM
Ephesians 1

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,


This is what happened in me, but it was of the Holy Spirit and not of me.

If you think, just for a single and solitary second, that you have done these things under your own power then you are the most miserable of men Old Nick.

Robert Pate
June 23rd, 2017, 08:37 AM
Ephesians 1

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,


This is what happened in me, but it was of the Holy Spirit and not of me.

If you think, just for a single and solitary second, that you have done these things under your own power then you are the most miserable of men Old Nick.

Salvation is a gift from God, not an imposition, Ephesians 2:8.

beloved57
June 23rd, 2017, 09:36 AM
Salvation is a gift from God, not an imposition, Ephesians 2:8.


You believe Salvation is a wage for something man does !

JudgeRightly
June 23rd, 2017, 09:50 AM
You believe Salvation is a wage for something man does !
Strawman Argument.

JudgeRightly
June 23rd, 2017, 09:57 AM
You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost ! Thats saying His Life of Obedience and His death did absolutely nothing to save those He died for !

We teach that an unsaved person must accept what Christ did for him. Christ's actions have the power to save all, but not all want Him to save them, so He won't, not because He can't, but because they don't want Him to.

beloved57
June 23rd, 2017, 10:10 AM
We teach that an unsaved person must accept what Christ did for him. Christ's actions have the power to save all, but not all want Him to save them, so He won't, not because He can't, but because they don't want Him to.
You teach also that sinners Christ died for are still lost ! Thats saying His Life of Obedience and His death did absolutely nothing to save those He died for !

JudgeRightly
June 23rd, 2017, 11:09 AM
You teach also that sinners Christ died for are still lost ! Thats saying His Life of Obedience and His death did absolutely nothing to save those He died for !

If someone jumps out of a plane after you give them a parachute, can you force them to pull the cord? NO. They have to pull the cord themselves.

In the same way Christ cannot force people to accept His free gift of salvation after He made it available to them. They have to believe (pull the cord) to be saved.

You are correct that we say that those who reject Christ (who died for them) are still lost, because that's exactly what Scripture says. But your argument that we teach that His life and death did not do absolutely nothing to save those he died for is absolutely wrong.

Christ's death and resurrection made it possible for everyone to come to Him. But that doesn't mean that everyone WILL come to Him, because most reject Him, and WILL NOT come to Him. They refuse to pull the cord on the parachute that God gave to them.

Robert Pate
June 24th, 2017, 10:06 AM
If someone jumps out of a plane after you give them a parachute, can you force them to pull the cord? NO. They have to pull the cord themselves.

In the same way Christ cannot force people to accept His free gift of salvation after He made it available to them. They have to believe (pull the cord) to be saved.

You are correct that we say that those who reject Christ (who died for them) are still lost, because that's exactly what Scripture says. But your argument that we teach that His life and death did not do absolutely nothing to save those he died for is absolutely wrong.

Christ's death and resurrection made it possible for everyone to come to Him. But that doesn't mean that everyone WILL come to Him, because most reject Him, and WILL NOT come to Him. They refuse to pull the cord on the parachute that God gave to them.

The Gospel causes people to pull the cord, atleast that was my experience. I saw myself as a hell bound sinner and pulled the cord. No one pulled it for me. I and I alone pulled the cord.

beloved57
June 24th, 2017, 11:43 AM
The Gospel causes people to pull the cord, atleast that was my experience. I saw myself as a hell bound sinner and pulled the cord. No one pulled it for me. I and I alone pulled the cord.

You dont believe the Gospel pate, how could you when you dont believe Christ death saves sinners He died for ?

Robert Pate
June 24th, 2017, 02:20 PM
You dont believe the Gospel pate, how could you when you dont believe Christ death saves sinners He died for ?

I most certainly do not believe your Calvinist gospel.

What you believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what is going to send you to hell. You are without faith in God. It is not possible to have faith in a God that damns people to hell before the are born. Nor is it possible to have faith in a Christ that has failed to atone for the sins of the world.

What you have faith in is Calvinism.

Bright Raven
June 24th, 2017, 02:48 PM
You dont believe the Gospel pate, how could you when you dont believe Christ death saves sinners He died for ?

Romans 10:9-13New American Standard Bible (NASB)

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Nang
June 24th, 2017, 02:55 PM
If someone jumps out of a plane after you give them a parachute, can you force them to pull the cord? NO. They have to pull the cord themselves.

In the same way Christ cannot force people to accept His free gift of salvation after He made it available to them. They have to believe (pull the cord) to be saved.

You are correct that we say that those who reject Christ (who died for them) are still lost, because that's exactly what Scripture says. But your argument that we teach that His life and death did not do absolutely nothing to save those he died for is absolutely wrong.

Christ's death and resurrection made it possible for everyone to come to Him. But that doesn't mean that everyone WILL come to Him, because most reject Him, and WILL NOT come to Him. They refuse to pull the cord on the parachute that God gave to them.

I am sorry, but you have no idea of the power of the grace of God . . .

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 03:01 PM
If someone jumps out of a plane after you give them a parachute, can you force them to pull the cord? NO. They have to pull the cord themselves.

In the same way Christ cannot force people to accept His free gift of salvation after He made it available to them. They have to believe (pull the cord) to be saved.

You are correct that we say that those who reject Christ (who died for them) are still lost, because that's exactly what Scripture says. But your argument that we teach that His life and death did not do absolutely nothing to save those he died for is absolutely wrong.

Christ's death and resurrection made it possible for everyone to come to Him. But that doesn't mean that everyone WILL come to Him, because most reject Him, and WILL NOT come to Him. They refuse to pull the cord on the parachute that God gave to them.

Messiah provides an automatic activation device. It opens at the appointed time, in the appointed place and for the appointed sinner.

I know this from experience. It is only by experience that it can be understood. If at some future date your chute opens then you'll understand.

JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 03:27 PM
Messiah provides an automatic activation device. It opens at the appointed time, in the appointed place and for the appointed sinner.

I know this from experience. It is only by experience that it can be understood. If at some future date your chute opens then you'll understand.
What if the person doesn't want to have the chute open?

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 03:36 PM
What if the person doesn't want to have the chute open?

The Way, the means and the power of the evangelism are beyond the horizon of your understanding, obviously.

JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 04:01 PM
The Way, the means and the power of the evangelism are beyond the horizon of your understanding, obviously.

Or perhaps your understanding is wrong.

Tell me Truster, can God save someone who doesn't want to be saved?

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 04:06 PM
Or perhaps your understanding is wrong.

Tell me Truster, can God save someone who doesn't want to be saved?

The fact you ask the question means that you could never understand the answer.

JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 04:12 PM
The fact you ask the question means that you could never understand the answer.
The fact that you refuse to answer means that you're scared of what the answer means.

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 04:13 PM
The fact that you refuse to answer means that you're scared of what the answer means.

You do not ask to gain understanding, but to set a trap, just as pharisees did to Messiah.

JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 04:21 PM
You do not ask to gain understanding, but to set a trap, just as pharisees did to Messiah.
No, I ask to expose you for the fraud you are. Those who read this thread will know what a coward you are, because you refuse to answer basic questions.

By the way, how is what I'm asking supposed to be in the same manner as what the Pharisees asked? They wanted to trip Him up so that they could bring Him before the authorities before His time. I simply want to know what you believe so that I can point out your errors.

If you claim your beliefs are not in error, then there's no reason you shouldn't be willing to share them. Unless of course you plead the fifth, in which case, why are you even on here...


If they are possibly in error, then why wouldn't you want them checked, to see where they are wrong, so that you can strengthen your beliefs, and better serve God?

Truster
June 24th, 2017, 04:34 PM
No, I ask to expose you for the fraud you are. Those who read this thread will know what a coward you are, because you refuse to answer basic questions.

By the way, how is what I'm asking supposed to be in the same manner as what the Pharisees asked? They wanted to trip Him up so that they could bring Him before the authorities before His time. I simply want to know what you believe so that I can point out your errors.

If you claim your beliefs are not in error, then there's no reason you shouldn't be willing to share them. Unless of course you plead the fifth, in which case, why are you even on here...


If they are possibly in error, then why wouldn't you want them checked, to see where they are wrong, so that you can strengthen your beliefs, and better serve God?

The fact my Elohim and Saviour knows my intentions and my thoughts pleases me and gives me comfort.



Who shall lay anything to the charge of Elohim's elect? It is Elohim that justifieth.

beloved57
June 24th, 2017, 05:15 PM
I most certainly do not believe your Calvinist gospel.

What you believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what is going to send you to hell. You are without faith in God. It is not possible to have faith in a God that damns people to hell before the are born. Nor is it possible to have faith in a Christ that has failed to atone for the sins of the world.

What you have faith in is Calvinism.
You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost, hence denying that His Death Saves them He died for!

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JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 08:00 PM
You dont believe the Gospel pate, how could you when you dont believe Christ death saves sinners He died for ?
It saves those who repent. Those who reject his salvation will not be saved.

JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 08:01 PM
I am sorry, but you have no idea of the power of the grace of God . . .
I don't think you know what God's grace is, let alone how it works.

JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 08:03 PM
Messiah provides an automatic activation device. It opens at the appointed time, in the appointed place and for the appointed sinner.

It won't open if the person it's given to doesn't connect the battery to the device.

JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 08:04 PM
You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost, hence denying that His Death Saves them He died for!

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Christ died for all men.

Whether they accept the gift of his death is an entirely separate matter.

Nang
June 24th, 2017, 08:43 PM
It won't open if the person it's given to doesn't connect the battery to the device.

Unbiblical nonsense . .

JudgeRightly
June 24th, 2017, 09:07 PM
Unbiblical nonsense . .
Who cares if it's unbiblical when we're using analogies? Parachutes aren't biblical either, so why are you just now complaining?

As far as the nonsense part, the Bible says one must believe the gospel message to be saved. To use an analogy, when someone believes the gospel message it's like putting a battery into a device.

When people are conceived in their mother's womb, they are alive to God. After they're born, and grown a little, they reach a point in their life where they know what is right and wrong, and they have the opportunity to choose between the two, but instead of doing right, they choose to sin, and because they did, sin revives in them (whereas before sin was dead because of Christ's sacrifice), and they die to God.

To use my analogy, they are born with the battery plugged in, then they come to the point where they have a choice to either leave the battery in, or unplug it. When they unplug it, they die.

However, when the person hears the gospel message, they have the option to accept it and believe or reject it and perish, and if they choose to believe it, they are again made alive to God.

Analogy: hearing the gospel is like giving the person's capacitors a charge, providing them with enough energy to either put the battery back in, or to throw it away forever. If they put the battery in, then it brings them back to life.

patrick jane
June 24th, 2017, 09:31 PM
No, I ask to expose you for the fraud you are. Those who read this thread will know what a coward you are, because you refuse to answer basic questions.

By the way, how is what I'm asking supposed to be in the same manner as what the Pharisees asked? They wanted to trip Him up so that they could bring Him before the authorities before His time. I simply want to know what you believe so that I can point out your errors.

If you claim your beliefs are not in error, then there's no reason you shouldn't be willing to share them. Unless of course you plead the fifth, in which case, why are you even on here...


If they are possibly in error, then why wouldn't you want them checked, to see where they are wrong, so that you can strengthen your beliefs, and better serve God?Buster only comes to TOL to judge others, add his own words to scripture and attempt to preach his own false gospel. He only has a handful of scriptures and he uses a few "key words" - he treats everybody as an unlearned child

glorydaz
June 24th, 2017, 10:42 PM
Buster only comes to TOL to judge others, add his own words to scripture and attempt to preach his own false gospel. He only has a handful of scriptures and he uses a few "key words" - he treats everybody as an unlearned child

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Truster
June 25th, 2017, 01:04 AM
It won't open if the person it's given to doesn't connect the battery to the device.

"Salvation belongs to Yah Veh" this was spoken by Jonah and this man, by grace and through trust says, Amen.

Truster
June 25th, 2017, 01:27 AM
Christ died for all men.

Whether they accept the gift of his death is an entirely separate matter.

"gift of His death"? this statement shows you are completely ignorant of the means of redemption. You are out of the plane without a parachute.

Truster
June 25th, 2017, 03:11 AM
It saves those who repent. Those who reject his salvation will not be saved.

The evangelism provides repentance to the unrepentant sinner. This is one of the reasons Paul says, "It is the power of Elohim unto salvation...".

Robert Pate
June 25th, 2017, 01:14 PM
The evangelism provides repentance to the unrepentant sinner. This is one of the reasons Paul says, "It is the power of Elohim unto salvation...".

The Bible does not say "Elohim". The Bible say "God". Don't be an odd ball.