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jamie
February 19th, 2017, 07:43 PM
On March 29, 1971 Lt. William L. Calley was convicted of the premeditated murder of 22 unarmed Vietnamese civilians.

The purpose of the U.S. military is to protect this nation and its constitutional rights and freedoms. Calley betrayed that purpose.

Some on TOL have maligned the military for doing its job. Why?

Lt. Calley is a war criminal and received a life sentence for his crime. His sentence was commuted to time served by President Nixon and he was paroled in November, 1974.

jamie
February 20th, 2017, 09:18 AM
Some on TOL have maligned the military for doing its job. Why?


Ah, the hyper-pacifists malign our military, but have no response as to why they do.

Bright Raven
February 20th, 2017, 07:59 PM
Ah, the hyper-pacifists malign our military, but have no response as to why they do.

And who said that Calley was correct in what he did?

jamie
February 20th, 2017, 08:56 PM
And who said that Calley was correct in what he did?


That's the point, the military doesn't condone murder. They are there to defend.

Bright Raven
February 20th, 2017, 09:02 PM
That's the point, the military doesn't condone murder. They are there to defend.

Well good grief, I hope so.

jamie
February 20th, 2017, 09:07 PM
Well good grief, I hope so.


There is at least one person who believes men and women should not serve their country.

I don't know why they believe that way and they are evidently not going to say why.

I suppose they must actually believe like I do that the military is a good thing.

Good for them.

meshak
February 20th, 2017, 09:18 PM
There is at least one person who believes men and women should not serve their country.

I believe you are talking about me.

You are making false accusation and it is no surprise. You don't understand Jesus' simple teaching so you cannot read my statements.

Listen, I said Christians should not be pro-military. I made sure that Christians have no business butting in to the politics.

The war is politics. You see, your confusion comes from not understanding Jesus' basic teachings, period.

Is English your mother tongue? It does not seem like it.

meshak
February 20th, 2017, 09:20 PM
And you always seem to disappear when or after you make this kind of dishonest claim.

Zeke
February 20th, 2017, 09:21 PM
There is at least one person who believes men and women should not serve their country.

I don't know why they believe that way and they are evidently not going to say why.

I suppose they must actually believe like I do that the military is a good thing.

Good for them.
All wars are banker wars so the cold hard facts show patriots are ihnor

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jamie
February 20th, 2017, 11:01 PM
I believe you are talking about me.


Why do you believe a nation should not protect itself?

If we don't protect ourselves, who will?

Did Israel or Judah ever try to defend itself?

jamie
February 20th, 2017, 11:16 PM
All wars are banker wars so the cold hard facts show patriots are ihnor


Should we defend ourselves?

Lazy afternoon
February 21st, 2017, 01:01 AM
Should we defend ourselves?


You may defend yourself but if you want the Lord to defend you then get about teaching His word and doing it, not arming yourself to the teeth in case someone attacks you.

The USA mostly lives in fear because the majority trusts in guns and money, and so many have killed for no good reason.

Trust in the Lord.

Psa 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.

LA

meshak
February 21st, 2017, 05:51 AM
Why do you believe a nation should not protect itself?

If we don't protect ourselves, who will?

Did Israel or Judah ever try to defend itself?

I already explain it but either you just don't get it or not willing the accept Jesus' word.

I will explain again for the public:


Jesus says to love your enemy. You don't love your enemy by destroying them.

He also says His followers are not the of world.

He also says let the dead bury their own dead. The world is dead spiritually.

These are all Jesus' word, so if you claim to be a Christian, you better uphold it.


You are trying to push world's standards and mentality to your faith. Your faith is not Christianity, it is merely "humanism" point of view.

I don't think you want to understand since your priority is not being true to Jesus. Your point of view is political and worldly.

jamie
February 21st, 2017, 09:02 AM
Jesus says to love your enemy. You don't love your enemy by destroying them.


Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. Love of self is not allowing someone to destroy you.

You pervert Jesus' teachings.

meshak
February 21st, 2017, 12:37 PM
Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. Love of self is not allowing someone to destroy you.

You pervert Jesus' teachings.

Your view is not of Jesus. It is of the world. You don't like Jesus' teaching. What you are doing is disregarding all inconvenient teaching.

jamie
February 21st, 2017, 03:16 PM
Your view is not of Jesus. It is of the world. You don't like Jesus' teaching. What you are doing is disregarding all inconvenient teaching.


I just quoted Jesus. He said to love your neighbor as yourself.

It's you who doesn't believe and you are perverting his teaching about love, self, and neighbor. Why?

What are you trying to prove?

meshak
February 21st, 2017, 04:30 PM
I just quoted Jesus. He said to love your neighbor as yourself.

It's you who doesn't believe and you are perverting his teaching about love, self, and neighbor. Why?

What are you trying to prove?

You are the one who is perverting Jesus' word.

Jesus' message of "love your enemy" is self-explanatory and you are twisting around and change the way to worldly view.

I am only exposing your twisted view of Jesus' teaching.

Tambora
February 21st, 2017, 05:09 PM
Don't let Meshak fool ya.
She loves that worldly military money they earn and give to her.
She doesn't trust Jesus enough to give that up.

KingdomRose
February 21st, 2017, 07:06 PM
There is at least one person who believes men and women should not serve their country.

I don't know why they believe that way and they are evidently not going to say why.

I suppose they must actually believe like I do that the military is a good thing.

Good for them.

We have said WHY repeatedly. It's sad that you have irremovable blinders on. (Matt.5:44) And I guess you think that someone, say, in Germany in WWII should have fought for Hitler and killed lots of Americans, right? That's what your position means. Whatever country you're in, join the military! That would go for ANY country. Aren't you glad that Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany during WWII DIDN'T join the military of Germany? If they did, they would've been killing Americans. But that's OK with you? "Serve your country, even if it means killing fellow Catholics or Baptists or Lutherans or Mormons! And even if it means killing Americans on the other side!" Can't you THINK about what you are saying?

KingdomRose
February 21st, 2017, 07:08 PM
All wars are banker wars so the cold hard facts show patriots are ihnor

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Wars certainly are wars of big business, that is true. (What does "ihnor" mean?)

KingdomRose
February 21st, 2017, 07:11 PM
Why do you believe a nation should not protect itself?

If we don't protect ourselves, who will?

Did Israel or Judah ever try to defend itself?

Israel and Judah had Jehovah to direct them in any war that they were involved with. He would communicate what they should do directly to them. Does that happen today? No. I remember years ago Moishe Dyan of Israel's military said that God wasn't in their thoughts at all. That is truly the way all of the nations think about God. If they even mention Him, it would be for show. God doesn't direct any wars today.

KingdomRose
February 21st, 2017, 07:12 PM
I already explain it but either you just don't get it or not willing the accept Jesus' word.

I will explain again for the public:


Jesus says to love your enemy. You don't love your enemy by destroying them.

He also says His followers are not the of world.

He also says let the dead bury their own dead. The world is dead spiritually.

These are all Jesus' word, so if you claim to be a Christian, you better uphold it.


You are trying to push world's standards and mentality to your faith. Your faith is not Christianity, it is merely "humanism" point of view.

I don't think you want to understand since your priority is not being true to Jesus. Your point of view is political and worldly.

WELL SAID.

KingdomRose
February 21st, 2017, 07:18 PM
I just quoted Jesus. He said to love your neighbor as yourself.

It's you who doesn't believe and you are perverting his teaching about love, self, and neighbor. Why?

What are you trying to prove?

You yourself are saying to love your neighbor as yourself. Who did Jesus indicate our neighbor is? EVERYBODY. You missed the whole point of his story about the Good Samaritan. Maybe you should read it again. The Samaritans and Jews were at serious odds with each other. They hated one another. Yet this one Samaritan saved a poor Jew from probable death after being mugged and robbed. The Samaritan helped his "enemy," the Jew. This is what Christ's followers are expected to do.

YOU have been perverting Jesus' teaching about love. You put "yourself" in the spot-light, when Jesus has put your NEIGHBOR in the spot-light. Don't kill your neighbor, and your neighbor is every person in the world.

KingdomRose
February 21st, 2017, 07:22 PM
Don't let Meshak fool ya.
She loves that worldly military money they earn and give to her.
She doesn't trust Jesus enough to give that up.

Whew! You are unloving. Downright mean.

Tambora
February 21st, 2017, 07:33 PM
Whew! You are unloving. Downright mean.You too.

jamie
February 21st, 2017, 07:43 PM
Jesus' message of "love your enemy" is self-explanatory and you are twisting around and change the way to worldly view.


Love your enemy as you love yourself.

If your enemy is trying to destroy you there is nothing to gain by allowing him to do so.

Nip it in the bud. It's your duty. Love others as you love yourself.

meshak
February 21st, 2017, 07:44 PM
Whew! You are unloving. Downright mean.


They don't have any legitimate thing to say. So all they have is flaming their enemy.

meshak
February 21st, 2017, 07:49 PM
Love your enemy as you love yourself.

If your enemy is trying to destroy you there is nothing to gain by allowing him to do so.

Nip it in the bud. It's your duty. Love others as you love yourself.

I cannot believe how you are desperate to justify your worldly faith.

You are concentrating on your own, not your neighbor.


Jesus teaches us sacrificial love throughout His word. He says if you save your life you lose it, if you lose your life for sake of God and Jesus you will gain life.

Of course Jesus is speaking about spiritual life.

His followers goal is to gain spiritual life.

Tambora
February 21st, 2017, 07:51 PM
Who did Jesus indicate our neighbor is? EVERYBODY. You missed the whole point of his story about the Good Samaritan. Maybe you should read it again.

Maybe you should read it again.
Because "EVERYBODY" was not the answer given to "who was a neighbor to him?".

Three men saw the half dead man in need.
Only one showed mercy.



Luke 10 KJV
(36) Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?


Of the three, which was "neighbor" to him?
All of them / everyone?
Nope.



(37) And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

jamie
February 21st, 2017, 07:52 PM
If you don't care for yourself how can you care for others?

Do you also despise law enforcement?

meshak
February 21st, 2017, 08:02 PM
If you don't care for yourself how can you care for others?

I do care about myself too. But most of us are working for ourselves. That's what world we are in. Our selfishness produce or create wars.


Do you also despise law enforcement?

I don't despise anything of the world. That is their business.

Christians' business is to work for God's kingdom. I already said this before too.

You butt in to world's business because your faith is worldly and of the world.

You better get your priority strait if you want to inherit God's kingdom.

jamie
February 21st, 2017, 10:34 PM
I do care about myself too. But most of us are working for ourselves. That's what world we are in. Our selfishness produce or create wars.


The world is made up of people. People are our neighbors.

The Father loves the world enough to sacrifice his Son.

Elitist.

meshak
February 22nd, 2017, 06:04 AM
The world is made up of people. People are our neighbors.

The Father loves the world enough to sacrifice his Son.

Elitist.

You sure are becoming desperate.

You don't want to live according to Jesus' will.

We explained over and over Jesus' sacrificial love for God's kingdom.

If you don't have sacrificial spirit, you won't inherit God's kingdom.

this is my last post for you.

suit yourself, defending your worldly love and standards.

marhig
February 23rd, 2017, 02:22 AM
If you don't care for yourself how can you care for others?

Do you also despise law enforcement?
The trouble is, most people put themselves before others, and that is how fighting and war starts.

Once we belong to God, then war should be the last thing on our minds. War is of the world. Our weapons of warfare are not carnal, we are at war with Prince of this world and we war against him with our weapon which is the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God. Satan is the one behind the wars of the world and they aren't of God. We are to love our enemy and do good to those that hate us, not war against them.

The world will take care of itself, those of God are to do the will of God and follow Jesus. And he didn't engage in the wars of this world!

jamie
February 23rd, 2017, 05:13 AM
The world will take care of itself, those of God are to do the will of God and follow Jesus. And he didn't engage in the wars of this world!


Apples and oranges are not the same. Jesus lived in an occupied country, there was no national defense and it was not his job to promote rebellion against Roman authority. Jesus promoted cooperation with the Romans and he set the example.

On the other hand we still have our freedoms, such as the freedom to espouse political correctness meaning if another country wants to destroy the U.S. we should just stand aside and watch. Hey, it's not our world, come on in.

Naive.

marhig
February 23rd, 2017, 05:40 AM
Apples and oranges are not the same. Jesus lived in an occupied country, there was no national defense and it was not his job to promote rebellion against Roman authority. Jesus promoted cooperation with the Romans and he set the example.

On the other hand we still have our freedoms, such as the freedom to espouse political correctness meaning if another country wants to destroy the U.S. we should just stand aside and watch. Hey, it's not our world, come on in.

Naive.
Did Jesus take up arms against the Romans? No, he preached the word of God and we are to follow him and not take up arms but bring God to others.

As I keep saying, war is of this world, those born of God are not of this world. The world will war and fight and hate but that isn't the way of God. Jesus showed us a new and living way and that doesn't include taking up arms!

The world will take care of itself, we are to bring the life and love of Christ and the word of God to others and fight with the sword of the Spirit. Not with weapons of the world.

meshak
February 23rd, 2017, 06:20 AM
The world will take care of itself, we are to bring the life and love of Christ and the word of God to others and fight with the sword of the Spirit. Not with weapons of the world.

that's what I have been saying but those patriot christians seem to believe they need Christians' help.

meshak
February 23rd, 2017, 06:58 AM
Those patriot or pro-military Christians are not only working against Jesus, they are also misrepresenting Jesus to the world.

Jesus is not just for your own country, He is for the whole world.

jamie
February 23rd, 2017, 08:57 AM
Did Jesus take up arms against the Romans?


Jesus lived and taught in a nation that was in subjection. When you meet four times each week for worship you should be thankful for the men and women who suffered life and limb so you could.

Your premise seems to be to love your neighbor, but not enough to protect him from enemies foreign and domestic. In fact, you must love his enemies.

My premise is if we love our neighbor we will do all we can to protect him and his freedoms.

We don't live in first century Judea and we can't live like we do. Things that are different are not the same.

marhig
February 23rd, 2017, 11:18 AM
Jesus lived and taught in a nation that was in subjection. When you meet four times each week for worship you should be thankful for the men and women who suffered life and limb so you could.

Your premise seems to be to love your neighbor, but not enough to protect him from enemies foreign and domestic. In fact, you must love his enemies.

My premise is if we love our neighbor we will do all we can to protect him and his freedoms.

We don't live in first century Judea and we can't live like we do. Things that are different are not the same.
In the first century Judea, the Jews were persecuted by the Romans, did Jesus take up arms to fight?

jamie
February 23rd, 2017, 01:25 PM
In the first century Judea, the Jews were persecuted by the Romans, did Jesus take up arms to fight?


There was no reason for him to so.

Judea was a conquered nation. When you're beat, you're beat.

Jesus' teachings were to a conquered people for whom it was too late to resist.

Do you believe the U.S. is in the same position as the Judeans?

marhig
February 23rd, 2017, 04:54 PM
There was no reason for him to so.

Judea was a conquered nation. When you're beat, you're beat.

Jesus' teachings were to a conquered people for whom it was too late to resist.

Do you believe the U.S. is in the same position as the Judeans?
I believe that there will be wars and fighting everywhere. But that doesn't mean that God's people are to take up arms and fight in them. We are to fight the good fight not join in carnal warfare!

We will have to agree to disagree!

jamie
February 23rd, 2017, 05:01 PM
I believe that there will be wars and fighting everywhere. But that doesn't mean that God's people are to take up arms and fight in them. We are to fight the good fight not join in carnal warfare!


Without warfare there would be no USA and no Israel. But I understand your premise about letting someone else do the heavy lifting. We should simply enjoy the fruit of their labor, but we should not lift a finger to help them, right?

marhig
February 23rd, 2017, 05:05 PM
Without warfare there would be no USA and no Israel. But I understand your premise about letting someone else do the heavy lifting. We should simply enjoy the fruit of their labor, but we should not lift a finger to help them, right?
Jamie, I know in my heart it is wrong to take up arms, I couldn't kill another human being. I would have to help and heal and not kill. Jesus never took up arms, and we are to follow him!

jamie
February 23rd, 2017, 06:49 PM
Jamie, I know in my heart it is wrong to take up arms, I couldn't kill another human being. I would have to help and heal and not kill. Jesus never took up arms, and we are to follow him!


Contrary to what you may have heard not everyone in the military is a Navy SEAL.